Beverly Hall indictment a stunning turn of events

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2009 Superintendent of the Year Beverly Hall

It shouldn’t be so stunning, but it is.

Former Atlanta School Superintendent Beverly Hall — a one-time national superintendent of the year who ran the Atlanta school district with an authoritarian hand — has been indicted on racketeering and other charges, as have 34 other administrators, principals, teachers and others, in the Atlanta cheating scandal.

If convicted, Hall faces as much as 45 years in jail, and the grand jury has recommended that bail be set at $7.5 million. Given that Hall is not a great threat to flee the country and poses no danger to anyone, that bail recommendation sounds exorbitant. Frankly, it sets off warning signals that the case itself may be an overreaction, but we will see.

I’m not trying to defend Hall by any means. If she did do the crime, she should do the time, although it is possible that the charges will be bargained down if she admits guilt and returns the bonuses “earned” through cheating. As it is, the charges imply that Hall took an active and knowing role in the scandal or in the coverup. That is certainly plausible, but I’m not aware of any evidence to that effect.

On the other hand, I also didn’t sit on the grand jury.

In that light, it’s interesting that Hall’s top assistant, the much-feared Kathy Augustine, is not among those indicted, suggesting that she may have agreed to testify for the prosecution. To borrow the cliche, Augustine had the reputation as an administrator who knew where the bodies were buried because she had put them there.

There is certainly a lot of evidence — overwhelming evidence, to my mind — that Hall willfully chose to ignore proof of cheating because it served her purposes to do so. I vividly remember two telephone conversations with Hall in which I hung up the phone startled by the degree of denial that she demonstrated. It was also troubling to see the lives and careers of underlings being ruined in the scandal while Hall, the person who had previously made no bones about being in charge, looked to be walking away scot-free.

But again, we’ll have to see how this plays out in the judicial system. At the very least, we’re going to learn a lot more about how the mess went down, and perhaps about how it can be avoided not just here in Georgia but around the country.

– Jay Bookman

1,092 comments Add your comment

n

March 29th, 2013
10:21 pm

I would like to see some GA pols indicted for sins as great or greater than most of these scared & intimidated women. Hall & some of the others deserve felony prosecution, but most of these teachers just wanted to hang on to their jobs and were under great duress to do what they did. There are many worse criminals running around than these poor frightened teachers.

Get Real

March 29th, 2013
10:24 pm

A public square caning would be appropriate….

Jm

March 29th, 2013
10:25 pm

““Beverly Hall placed unreasonable emphasis on achieving targets; protected and rewarded those who achieved targets through cheating; terminated principals who failed to achieve targets; and ignored suspicious CRCT score gains,” the indictment said. “As a result, cheating became more and more prevalent within APS.”

A. I think hall is guilty of a coverup, and if that is a crime, should go to jail
B. the first two items in the list above are not crimes
C. The third item could be a crime and if so, jail baby

YouLibs

March 29th, 2013
10:28 pm

If you don’t have fifteen minutes right now, bookmark this and watch it when you’re in a really good mood. If you don’t like jazz, don’t bother.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI5BJ2hMHC4

appleseed

March 29th, 2013
10:32 pm

Like them squirrel brains,fried ramps with scrambled eggs.

td

March 29th, 2013
10:48 pm

independent thinker

March 29th, 2013
9:21 pm

So how is that No Child Left Behind program of our genius ex-president doing? Mission Accomplished??

Go back now and tell us who wrote and championed this efforts in the congress? This bill was claimed to be a highlight of his liberal legislative career.

td

March 29th, 2013
10:51 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 29th, 2013
9:48 pm

Teachers need to be held to some standard…

I say it’s time to flip the script.

Parents should be held to the same or higher standard, but outside of being publicly ostracized I don’t see any carrot or stick to motivate them.

One of the few times on this blog that I 100% agree with your thoughts. Ostracizing is a great starting point. I had a couple of teachers on time tell me that instead of giving children Saturday school for bad behavior that the parent should be required to come with them and that may stop the behavior problems in the classrooms.

BADA BING (imagine an umlaut above the i, I'm trying to class this place up a little)

March 29th, 2013
10:53 pm

No FNM? Well in honor of the burning truck of canned tuna on fire this morning on I 75 S, I recommend REO’s “You can tune a piano, but you can’t tuna fish” album. And “Hot Tuna”, from 1970, by the band of the same name. I love the smell of hot tuna in the morning. It smells like victory.

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (aka "Knuckle-Dragger")

March 29th, 2013
10:53 pm

I assume that if she was a Republican you would have put the “(R – Atlanta)” after her name. Perhaps she is in need of ethics reform.

td

March 29th, 2013
10:54 pm

“Yeah but how do you motivate a crackhead?”

Why are crackheads allowed to keep children?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 29th, 2013
10:54 pm

Go back now and tell us who wrote and championed this efforts in the congress?

The legislation was proposed by President George W. Bush on January 23, 2001. It was coauthored by Representatives John Boehner (R-OH), George Miller (D-CA), and Senators Edward Kennedy (D-MA) and Judd Gregg (R-NH). The United States House of Representatives passed the bill on May 23, 2001 (voting 384–45),[6] and the United States Senate passed it on June 14, 2001 (voting 91–8).[7] President Bush signed it into law on January 8, 2002.

Sport.

Bernie

March 29th, 2013
10:55 pm

Jay, I agree with you on the Bail amount onf Ms.Hall. This is a Woman well into her (60’s) sixties, no previous criminal record, whatsoever! The amount of Bail is over the TOP. Such amounts should be saved for the most violent criminal elements among us. This is NOT one of them……

Georgia Justice has always been more of a 3 ring circus, than seeing the interest of Justice being served. Marching Bands will soon be arranged for the hearing date.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 29th, 2013
10:56 pm

One of the few times on this blog that I 100% agree with your thoughts.

Don’t give a flying f*ck.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 29th, 2013
10:57 pm

td

March 29th, 2013
11:02 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 29th, 2013
10:54 pm

Bill Clinton Blames Kennedy for No Child Left Behind Flaws

“The President made a deal with Senator Kennedy and neither one of them meant to mess it up,” Bill Clinton told a crowd of about 400 teachers and students in Texarkana.

“The deal was supposed to be, we will give the schools more money and get rid of two programs that Bill Clinton actually started — hiring more teachers in the early grades which actually does help performance and help schools with construction needs if they are overcrowded,” he said.

“And we will not put anymore money in the after school programs, which does help, and we will raise school performance by telling people their money depends on how their kids do on tests and we are going to give five tests five years in a row, and we will cut the states a check based on how they are doing. And then the law kind of winks at the state of Arkansas and says, ‘don’t worry about it too much because you get to pick the test and the passing score.’ Now think about that you get the worst of all worlds,” Clinton said.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2008/02/bill-clinton-bl/

Sport.

I thought the two biggest mistakes of the Bush Administration was to team up with Ted Kennedy on NCLB and Medicare part D.

td

March 29th, 2013
11:09 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 29th, 2013
10:56 pm

One of the few times on this blog that I 100% agree with your thoughts.

Don’t give a flying f*ck.

Just trying to point out when a Commie and a Conservative can reach agreement on an important issue then something should be done. Since you want to be indignant about it then go back to your little corner and listen to a good tune that explains you to a tee.

http://www.tagtele.com/videos/voir/21907

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 29th, 2013
11:13 pm

Just trying to point out when a Commie…

Just like a phlogiston chemist, you’re wrong from the get-go.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 29th, 2013
11:19 pm

0311/8541/5811/1811/1810

March 29th, 2013
11:40 pm

CHARTER SCHOOLS !

CHARTER SCHOOLS !

CHARTER SCHOOLS !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPXnoLAEUSQ

The GOV

March 30th, 2013
1:09 am

I do remember when all of this broke. I feel bad for the children. Regardless of your politics many kids are so far behind they’ll probably never catch up.

The GOV

March 30th, 2013
1:14 am

td, I get the impression you have no clue what this is about.

Some of these kids will never catch up. It’s damn tragic.

guy

March 30th, 2013
2:30 am

Fred @ 9:54 p. m. Finally, a person who knows the truth. You! No one can fix stupid. You are so right!

guy

March 30th, 2013
2:34 am

n Never reward failure. That’s killing this nation!

Road Scholar

March 30th, 2013
5:49 am

It was reported last night that Kathy Augustine was hired last year to run a Texas district education system and she was removed from her job as a result of the indictment (her non-indictment)!

Racism, School Desegregation Laws and the Civil Rights Movement in the United States

March 30th, 2013
6:39 am

wsm_marathoner,

Lest we forget, history books reopened….refresher course with your name written on it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9ACS4PgDFA

weetamoe

March 30th, 2013
6:49 am

The CR test has been administered for many years–way before Bush and Kennedy’s No Child left Behind. The purpose is diagnostic.The results show areas in which an individual student is performing reasonably well and where the student needs help or even tutoring. Had you watched any of the coverage you would have seen the tragic results of the school system’s stupidity cupidity criminality –crimes against vulnerable children. And if a teacher is competent there is no need to *teach to the test.* That is a term that originated as an excuse for the incompetence of too many *educators.*

Peace

March 30th, 2013
6:57 am

A “stunning turn of events”? As in ’surprising’? I’m not stunned or surprised. This bunch has lived up to my expectations.

The Southern States Cheating Strategy

March 30th, 2013
7:21 am

TEXAS

EL PASO — A third El Paso-area school district has acknowledged wrongdoing in a scandal over cheating to meet federal accountability measures, the El Paso Times reported Saturday.

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2013/mar/17/3rd-school-district-admits-to-cheating/

LOUISIANA

Two months late, state provides records on standardized test cheating
Hours after The Lens published a story on the Louisiana Department of Education’s failure to provide public records on probes of standardized test cheating, the department’s attorney forwarded the documents — two months after they were first requested.*
The Lens has received district reports of cheating investigations in 2010, 2011, and 2012. We’ll be publishing our findings after a review of the 159 pages of documentation.

http://thelensnola.org/2013/02/19/state-education-department-hasnt-provided-records-on-standardized-test-cheating-investigations/

independent thinker

March 30th, 2013
7:37 am

Can someone name one program of George W that was not f–d up?

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
7:48 am

Can someone name one program of George W that was not f–d up?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/30/AR2006123000941.html

“I think the Bush administration deserves pretty high marks in terms of increasing aid to Africa,” said Steve Radelet, a senior fellow at the Center for Global Development.

Bush has increased direct development and humanitarian aid to Africa to more than $4 billion a year from $1.4 billion in 2001, according to the Paris-based Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. And four African nations — Sudan, Ethiopia, Egypt and Uganda — rank among the world’s top 10 recipients in aid from the United States.

Beyond increasing aid to Africa, Bush has met with nearly three dozen African heads of state during his six years in office. He visited Africa in his first term, and aides say he hopes to make a return visit next year.

Although some activists criticize Bush for not doing more to end the ongoing genocide in the Darfur region of Sudan, others credit him for playing a role in ending deadly conflicts in Liberia, the Congo and other parts of Sudan. Meanwhile, Bush has overseen a steady rise in U.S. trade with Africa, which has doubled since 2001.

Bud Wiser

March 30th, 2013
7:51 am

Hall through her attorney has denied everything. Meanwhile back at the ranch, there won’t be an attorney available within 25 miles of the city after all of the accused “lawyer up.”

The prequel to the trials forthcoming of lawyers jockeying and battling for position will be a real cat-fight, I am sure. I remember being in the Dallas area when the Delta L1011 jet crashed at the airport, killing 8 crew and 129 passengers. Lawyers from all over the country were crawling in like jackals. Somehow the word was leaked where the airlne was putting up the victims families, and it happened to be the hotel where I was staying.

I counted three kiosks, or booths, set up, where lawyers were advertising their services for the grieving family members (before they even had the chance to identify their loved one’s body), in the lobby of the hotel, before hotel officials had the police clear that sickening scene.

Lawyers will take any road, do or say anything right or wrong, just for the aquittal. Anything. Look at all of the scenarios played out by Casey Anthony’s lawyers.

Oh well, somebody has to take out the trash, somebody has to be the trash, and somebody has to see that the trash is taken out with all of their rights protected, and that sort of sums up our current legal system.

Bud Wiser

March 30th, 2013
7:55 am

Off topic Bro, another LSD flashback to Bush, I suppose.

You pathetic group of Bush haters have my sympathy, you really do.

Maybe once you will flash forward about $9 trillion of debt in the last 4 1/2 years and join the rest of us, instead of grovelling or slobbering about the past. Personally I doubt it.

dcb

March 30th, 2013
7:58 am

Hall must be a Democrat, Bookman. If a Republican you would have fried her. In fact I’m surprised you even wrote on the subject.

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
8:04 am

Off topic Bro, another LSD flashback to Bush, I suppose.

What the f**k are you talking about? Someone asked about something positive from Bush, and I provided an answer. If you don’t like that, then go fellate an aluminum baseball bat wrapped with rusty concertina wire for all I care.

Go back and point out where I posted anything “hate” related about Bush. I dare you. Better yet, I triple dog dare you.

Once you open your eyes and actually read, maybe you can flash forward and quit those damned knee jerk reactions. Personally I doubt you’ll ever do that.

Jay

March 30th, 2013
8:05 am

Jm

March 30th, 2013
8:08 am

I think the people here who read Jay’s blog post above, and deem Bookman a Hall apologist, are complete morons.

Maybe they should reread the post. And maybe again. And again.

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
8:10 am

Jm

That would actually require them to read before their knee jerks. Given the hyper responsive reflexes of some posters here (7:55 and 7:58 respectively), there’s plenty of proof that the reaction time of the knee jerk is much faster than the ability to read.

:)

Jm

March 30th, 2013
8:10 am

To all the reading impaired, ease note this paragraph.

“I’m not trying to defend Hall by any means. If she did do the crime, she should do the time, although it is possible that the charges will be bargained down if she admits guilt and returns the bonuses “earned” through cheating. As it is, the charges imply that Hall took an active and knowing role in the scandal or in the coverup. That is certainly plausible, but I’m not aware of any evidence to that effect.

On the other hand, I also didn’t sit on the grand jury.”

Bob

March 30th, 2013
8:12 am

Jay, yes, many have brought up race in ways that had nothing to do with the problem. But when we are choosing leaders in Atlanta metro race is a big factor. When Hall was hired the system did not give any white person a real shot. We see the same with DeKalb county and even a black member of the DeKalb Board admitted his dismay that one of the best candidates was not given a second interview because she was white. And its nice that you have run a few threads on this but you had more discussion about Bush and waterboarding, something you and your followers were rabid about until your guy decided to kill people that Bush may have water boarded. And this brings us back to education. The left bashes repubs over education yet don’t have the same interest when it comes to democrats running systems into the ground. NCLB did not do the damage to students that DeKalb, Clayton and APS administrators did. You and your followers will soon be bashing Rand Paul or someone else that have never done the damage to poor kids that your elected officials do throughout the country.

Cloudodust

March 30th, 2013
8:12 am

Thank you Beverly Hall et al for continuing to make the case that our public education system has been maimed if not destroyed by the tons of money we taxpayers have been forced to throw at a resounding government failure. There are no longer a majority of educators that are in PE for the love of educating our youth. The overwhelming numbers are in PE for the cash. Thank God for decent educators that stick around the public school system and give it their all and thank God for those that fled that system and took up their career paths in private schools where government interference is MIA.

Jm

March 30th, 2013
8:13 am

Bro.

I think it’s a genuine reading comp issue.

Some people get so emotional about some issues that they cant read or evaluate much beyond the first sentence, even if they do read it.

JSH

March 30th, 2013
8:14 am

In Atlanta, the next step will be to name a street after her. Or maybe, a third name on Hartsville Int’l Airport.

The AJC did, however, do a good job on this story. If only they were not afraid of the mayors office.

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
8:14 am

Jm

Did you notice that Jay’s posted that list twice too? Maybe he should just put that list at the top of every page to cut down on the risks of some major MCL and ACL blowouts here. I think the torn meniscus injuries are manageable.

:lol: :lol:

Jm

March 30th, 2013
8:18 am

Bro :)

This North Korean crap is getting out of control

Obama needs to communicate that if the do anything it will be the immediate end of the idiots short reign.

I don’t know that Obama is well equipped to deliver that kind of message

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
8:25 am

jm

I think those B-2’s delivered that message pretty well. I imagine NK is tracking the navy equipment floating in their direction as well. Given Obama’s enhanced bombing techniques over past administrations, I think NK would be overwhelmed by B-2s and B-52s if they did anything to S. Korea. Depending on the damage and loss of life in the south, I think the north would get spanked quite hard.

dcb

March 30th, 2013
8:26 am

But while I’m on the subject, great job of skewering Augustine with your slight-of-hand comment “To borrow the cliche, Augustine had the reputation as an administrator who knew where the bodies were buried because she had put them there.” Guess she didn’t cooperate with you either, eh?

dcb

March 30th, 2013
8:31 am

Hey JM – that’s what you call simply CYA

Jm

March 30th, 2013
8:34 am

Dcb

Jay is no fan, or apologist, for Hall

It’s crystal clear

Jack ®

March 30th, 2013
8:36 am

I was pretty sure the Hall thing would replace Bookman’s Friday musical fade. I’m also pretty sure that Hall and her lieutenants will do no hard time because it just ain’t “fair”.

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
8:36 am

Hey JM – that’s what you call simply CYA

Blogging about something in 2010 to CYA against allegations by dcb in 2013??

BWAAHAAHAAHAHAAHAAHAA!!!!

Jm

March 30th, 2013
8:37 am

Bro

I think the B2s actually don’t do a great job of that

We are highly unlikely to use nukes ( though the B2s can drop other things than nukes)

A movement of ships, artillery and divisions would be more meaningful

Jm

March 30th, 2013
8:37 am

DannyX

March 30th, 2013
8:41 am

“Hey JM – that’s what you call simply CYA”

dcp, Jay knocked you out with his 8:05. Your punch drunk replies after you got up off the floor are pretty funny. You are going to have one big headache.

dcb

March 30th, 2013
8:42 am

Love this “stuff” you opin, JM, and I actually agree with it …… I think it’s a genuine reading comp issue.

Some people get so emotional about some issues that they cant read or evaluate much beyond the first sentence, even if they do read it.

On the other hand this says nothing about the source of the written word. And if, as usually is the case, that source is from the media then no reason to read past the first sentence. Especially if in an op-ed piece.

Notice that I didn’t say “…that source is from the liberal media”. Altho’ in case you didn’t read that into the meaning, you should have!

dcb

March 30th, 2013
8:43 am

Weak response Danny X – you can do better than that!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
8:45 am

…then go fellate an aluminum baseball bat wrapped with rusty concertina wire…

:shock: :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :shock: :shock:

Recon 0311 2533

March 30th, 2013
8:48 am

That is a term that originated as an excuse for the incompetence of too many *educators.*

AMEN

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
8:50 am

Altho’ in case you didn’t read that into the meaning, you should have!

And there’s your sign.

Bob

March 30th, 2013
8:54 am

independent thinker “Can someone name one program of George W that was not f–d up?”
This has nothing to do with Bush and everything to do with liberals screwing up metro Atlanta schools. If this was because of a plan by Bush wouldn’t every school system be indicting the former supers ? And maybe if Bush stayed away from Ted Kennedy he would not have had this program as a failure on his resume. Can someone name a program ted kennedy gave us that was not f–d up ?

SouthernGent

March 30th, 2013
8:55 am

This has nothing to do with a business model. This has everything to do with cheaters. In this case we have the classic liberal royal entitlement mentality, but the bottom line is she appears to be a scumbag cheater who could not perform, only deform.

dbm

March 30th, 2013
8:57 am

jewcowboy

March 29th, 2013
7:31 pm

If your reference to capitalism is meant to say we should have separation of state and education, I couldn’t agree more.

If your reference to capitalism is meant to say that this sort of cheating and lying is a good example of capitalism, you are defaming capitalism. If that’s what you mean, why are you blaming capitalism for something that happened in a government school system?

dcb

March 30th, 2013
8:58 am

Morning Brosephus™ – would you please do those of us with only a couple of advanced degrees a favor? Cut through the pseudo-intellectual crap and say it so the common folk can understand what you’re really attempting to say. This opaque junk really gets quite old fast and is sure not as cute or impressive as you obviously think it is.

indigo

March 30th, 2013
8:59 am

Bud Wiser – 7:51

Absolutely correct.

Lawyers will be swarming all over this like a swarm of locusts.

This will likely drag on for years and only reinforce what a sick joke our legal system has become.

Only in America.

dcb

March 30th, 2013
9:00 am

Absolutely Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes. Way to go heavy-weight!

dbm

March 30th, 2013
9:00 am

Brosephus™

March 29th, 2013
9:29 pm

Now if we had separation of state and education, we would really insulate schools from politicians.

DannyX

March 30th, 2013
9:00 am

“And maybe if Bush stayed away from Ted Kennedy he would not have had this program as a failure on his resume.”

That is certainly the typical Republican/Bush defender reply. NCLB comes from Texas. If anything Kennedy should have stayed away from Bush. Texas started the NCLB experiment and Governor Bush loved it.

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
9:01 am

Kamchak

I think he deserved such a response for that bullcrap. I try to give something positive about Bush, and he accuses me of hate??? That just shows that his dumbass doesn’t read anything at all.

————————

SouthernGent

So, I guess Wall St. cheating American’s out of billions is that classic liberal royal entitlement mentality too, huh? Would that mentality also have anything to do with defense contractors wanting coverage from and conservative legislators wanting to shield them from sequester cuts? That answer does nothing but show your partisaned mindset, and partisanship kills more brain cells than drugs.

This is about greed and cheating. Point blank. There’s nothing partisaned about those two things, no matter how you try to slice it.

A decade of No Child Left Behind: Lessons from a policy failure

March 30th, 2013
9:05 am

On Jan. 8, 2002, then president George W. Bush signed No Child Left Behind into law, ushering in an era of standardized test-based school reform. This assessment of the NCLB decade was written by Lisa Guisbond with Monty Neill and Bob Schaeffer, all from the National Center for Fair and Open Testing, known as FairTest, a Boston-based organization that aims to end the misuse of standardized tests. Guisbond is a policy analyst, Neill is executive director and Schaeffer is public education director.
By Lisa Guisbond with Monty Neill and Bob Schaeffer
Ten years have passed since then president George W. Bush signed No Child Left Behind (NCLB), making it the educational law of the land. A review of a decade of evidence demonstrates that NCLB has failed badly both in terms of its own goals and more broadly. It has neither significantly increased academic performance nor significantly reduced achievement gaps, even as measured by standardized exams.
In fact, because of its misguided reliance on one-size-fits-all testing, labeling and sanctioning schools, it has undermined many education reform efforts. Many schools, particularly those serving low-income students, have become little more than test-preparation programs.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/post/a-decade-of-no-child-left-behind-lessons-from-a-policy-failure/2012/01/05/gIQAeb19gP_blog.html

Recon 0311 2533

March 30th, 2013
9:05 am

Jm,

I’ve been critical of Obama’s foreign policies, however, with the most recent bellicose statements coming that half pint dictator in the NK, I think the handling is about right. The demonstration of but one means that we possess to deliver devastating fire power is sufficient. Engaging in a war of words would serve no purpose.

ticket2it.com

March 30th, 2013
9:07 am

Jay,

I read your article and a few of the first comments left on your blog post. I can not believe how many people are turning this into a racial issue. Lets look at the bigger picture. The cheating would not have occurred if our government did not create the incentive to cheat.

Why does anyone in the education system deserve bonuses based upon student test scores ? These people were either elected or hired to do a job, and that job was to educate our children. These actions only make things worse. Those children are now tainted. It is on their record, and it will stay with them for life. Colleges will overlook them, and potential employers will do the same.

The sad part about all of this, is that it will only continue, because the next chief will still have that same incentive to cheat.

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
9:11 am

Morning Brosephus™ – would you please do those of us with only a couple of advanced degrees a favor? Cut through the pseudo-intellectual crap and say it so the common folk can understand what you’re really attempting to say.

Well, if you can’t follow what I say, even with your couple of advanced degrees, then I’d suggest you go back to where you got those degrees from, demand a refund, and ball stomp each and every last instructor you’ve had throughout your educational process. That wasn’t too hard to follow, was it?

Now if we had separation of state and education, we would really insulate schools from politicians.

I don’t really think you need to go that far. Simply return things to the way they were when our educational system produced a quality product. Let educators run education and leave the politicians to legislating the funding for education.

For example, when you put a Bob Nardelli in charge of a Home Depot or Chrysler, you’re asking for a visit from the failure fairy as he has no background in building products, home construction, or automobile manufacturing. I wouldn’t hire a hedge fund manager to run a plumbing business, and I wouldn’t hire a plumber to run a hedge fund. I believe in putting people where they are most knowledgable and efficient.

DemWOP

March 30th, 2013
9:14 am

Bookman’s heart bleeds for Beverly Hall.

If convicted, Hall faces as much as 45 years in jail, and the grand jury has recommended that bail be set at $7.5 million. Given that Hall is not a great threat to flee the country and poses no danger to anyone, that bail recommendation sounds exorbitant. Frankly, it sets off warning signals that the case itself may be an overreaction, but we will see.

With Bookman the buck stops at the top of corporate America, never government.

West End

March 30th, 2013
9:17 am

This is just more of the hating.
There may have been a few mistakes but this is just a way to keep the Black man down.

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
9:25 am

There may have been a few mistakes but this is just a way to keep the Black man down.

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ticket2it.com

March 30th, 2013
9:26 am

West End
March 30th, 2013
9:17 am

This is just more of the hating.
There may have been a few mistakes but this is just a way to keep the Black man down.
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You are absolutely correct, except, whitey had nothing to do with it.

Beverly Fraud

March 30th, 2013
9:34 am

Jm you’re simply wrong.

Bookman WAS a Hall apologist, of the first order. Notice the DATES of all the editorials. There’s your proof.

How you say? Glad you asked.

Paul Donsky, formerly of the AJC, did the groundbreaking work on SYSTEMIC cheating way back in 2001. Almost a full DECADE passed before Jay would admit the error of his ways, He all BUT admitted his own culpability when he said post scandal we “wanted to believe the narrative.”

Catlady also pointed this out earlier. Jay, Cynthia Tucker and Maureen Downey supported the “narrative” even as Paul Donsky pointed out the TRUTH. In 2001 Jm.

2001.

Jay, at least admit you and the AJC editorial board had your own part to play at first, and you played that part for YEARS; THEN you can take full credit for the change of heart and your efforts to hold Hall accountable.

Your readers deserve that Jay. Do they not?

Do you have the INTEGRITY to admit it Jay?

eddy

March 30th, 2013
9:41 am

……awaiting comments from the local as well as national leaders of the NAACP about the disenfranchisement of all of these children from a proper education. This will be followed by some special rhymes commemorating this dark day by Rev Jesse. Rev Al will follow but he is waiting for his check to clear before participating.

The sounds of silence are deafening!

ByteMe - Got ilk?

March 30th, 2013
9:44 am

My prediction: Hall skates, none of what they’re accusing her of is in itself a crime, just doing a poor job. Why would she turn away from investigating suspicious scores? Well, she was financially compensated by the board to do that, so where was the incentive to look into it?

The principals and teacher do indeed get punished, although jail time is unlikely unless they tried to cover up what they did or lied to a government official investigating it. It’s almost always the cover-up that’s worse than the crime.

Oh, and the idiots who think this is a black/white or liberal/conservative or atlanta/everyone else thing are just looking for a theme that makes them feel better about themselves and really don’t give a rat’s patootie about the kids of Atlanta.

Bob

March 30th, 2013
9:46 am

DannyX

March 30th, 2013, 9:00 am
“And maybe if Bush stayed away from Ted Kennedy he would not have had this program as a failure on his resume.”
That is certainly the typical Republican/Bush defender reply. NCLB comes from Texas. If anything Kennedy should have stayed away from Bush. Texas started the NCLB experiment and Governor Bush loved it”
Sorry danny, I was responding to a leftist blaming our problems on NCLB, a program we would not have had if it were not for Bush and Kennedy. I do not have to defend Bush on the APS scandal because just like DeKalb and Clayton County schools, the Atlanta scam had nothing to do with Bush and everything to do with the libs that hired Beverly Hall. Hall not only cheated on standardized tests she also falsified attendance records, something else that can’t be blamed on Bush. I am not a Bush defender, if I was I would be bored. He tried to fix Social Security and the mortgage crisis but was shot down by dems. Not many other good things to say about Bush. Looking back, I wonder if Bush was right when he said we were heading for a crisis in the mortgage industry ? Probably not since so many dems told regulators that the mortgage industry was solid and no changes were needed for Fannie and Freddie.

Oscar

March 30th, 2013
9:50 am

The investigators, the district attorney and the grand jury al think she is guilty based on the evidence collected and presented. Sometimes they are wrong, but not often. The track record is pretty good on covictions following indictments.

clem

March 30th, 2013
9:52 am

while i agree it seems to be a bit extreme given what else goes on in the world, i wish the black community would be more critical of some of their leaders. i watch ga gang and phil kent is a load but jeff and alexis vary rarely seem critical of clayton, dekalb, atlanta, etc. they spend most of their time pushing back on extremes of kent and williams. where are black leaders who care about their community not a paycheck? granted i am not the most learned person, but until peer pressure is brought seems like it always devolves into racial camps. and rethugs concern does not seem genuine.

Jay

March 30th, 2013
9:53 am

“Bookman WAS a Hall apologist, of the first order. “

OK, cite something positive that I wrote about her….

We’ll wait.

DannyX

March 30th, 2013
9:55 am

“Sorry danny, I was responding to a leftist blaming our problems on NCLB,”

You deflected the blame from Bush to Kennedy with your “And maybe if Bush stayed away from Ted Kennedy he would not have had this program as a failure on his resume,” which is exactly the opposite of what happened.

Then you even add to your Bush defense by throwing in an obscure mortgage industry defense.

But hey Bob, you’re not a Bush defender.

DemWOP

March 30th, 2013
9:58 am

Do you have the INTEGRITY to admit it Jay?

That he rides on the coattails of others?

When pigs fly, he will.

Beverly Fraud

March 30th, 2013
9:58 am

Brosephus™ I’ll pose the same question to you.

Look at the dates Jay posted. Ask yourself, where was Jay between 2001 and those dates?

In 2001 Paul Donsky in Jay’s own paper told you everything you needed to know about widespread SYSTEMIC cheating in APS.

So Brosephus™ how do you justify Jay’s silence from 2001 until he was finally willing to speak out, even if you acknowledge when he finally spoke out he was spot on?

Oscar

March 30th, 2013
9:58 am

Bob – Think you are being a little too easy on W. Bush. He was fully on board with removing restrictions on low income borrowers so they could buy houses – thy went too far and as a result too many bought houses they could not afford.

But th main cause of the meltdown was the irrational thought that house prices would kep going up and that formd a bubble – plus fraud in the mortgage loan and banking industry in making loans basd on false loan applications.
Mostly bubbbles come up and bust. As in when the stock market runs up way beyond the value of the stocks. Then there is a crash – meltdown,

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
10:03 am

clem: i wish the black community would be more critical of some of their leaders. i watch ga gang and phil kent is a load but jeff and alexis vary rarely seem critical of clayton, dekalb, atlanta, etc. they spend most of their time pushing back on extremes of kent and williams. where are black leaders who care about their community not a paycheck?

Think about this for a second, and maybe this will shed a bit of light on why you don’t see criticism from the Black community.

First thing is that there is no “Black leadership” for the entire community. There are people who position themselves as some kind of speaker for the community when, in actuality, there is no such position. You can’t have a community be critical of a person/position that does not exist.

Second thing to consider is something you touched on from your viewing of GA Gang. I have no idea of what that is or who the people are, but the things you witness bear a striking resemblance to what individuals face on a daily basis, and it’s not just limited to Blacks. Jeff and Alexis appear to spend so much time fighting extremism from Phil that they don’t have time to address anything else. In real life, there are people who spend so much time fighting for survival that they don’t have time to address things that other people think would need to be addressed. If the choice is protest something someone said or work to put food on the table for the family, a person would be stupid to choose to protest if they don’t have an alternate means to put food on the table.

Brosephus™

March 30th, 2013
10:07 am

So Brosephus™ how do you justify Jay’s silence from 2001 until he was finally willing to speak out, even if you acknowledge when he finally spoke out he was spot on?

I don’t HAVE to justify it. You’re assuming something that has no bearing on me or my life. Jay’s a grown man. I didn’t pay Jay much close attention until I came across this blog, so I have no idea of what Jay said from 2001 until 2010. Why don’t you be a grown man and ask Jay yourself? Are you some kind of mamby pamby poser or something?

Beverly Fraud

March 30th, 2013
10:07 am

Jay that’s a dodge and you know it! It’s not that you “said something positive” Jay, it’s what you didn’t say Jay.

Were you calling for resignations when Paul Donsky told you all you needed to know about widespread systemic cheating back in 2001?

Were you using the bully pulpit of your position to get the AJC to dig deeper into the Donsky story?
Why wasn’t the Donsky story followed up? A story that explosive, why wasn’t the editorial board screaming from the rooftops for accountability then.

What about a few year later when 40 schools reported zero discipline problems and Kathy Augustine said “Perhaps our reforms are working so well, there are no discipline problems to report”?

Did you call BS Jay, or were you silent?

Would you dare let McQuery (sp?) off the hook because he didn’t “say something positive” about Sandusky Jay?

Of course this is not remotely close in terms of ethics and integrity. But why not just admit “We as an editorial board could have delved deeper, and sooner. In retrospect I wish we had”

Why is that so hard to admit Jay?

ByteMe - Got ilk?

March 30th, 2013
10:08 am

So Brosephus™ how do you justify Jay’s silence from 2001 until he was finally willing to speak out, even if you acknowledge when he finally spoke out he was spot on?

So how do you explain that the archives dates to the right of this thread stop at Feb 2009? Conspiracy of silence?

The Sophist-icated Republican

March 30th, 2013
10:15 am

Perhaps Beverly Fraud should present Paul Donsky’s work–which she apparently is more than intimately familiar with–from 2001, yes 2001, and let us judge for ourselves its true potential relative to the work conducted by the AJC since then. Come on, Beverly Fraud. Put up or quit the yapping.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 30th, 2013
10:19 am

Interesting:

NO PURPLE HEARTS

“But Neal Sher, counsel for the Fort Hood families involved in a federal lawsuit against the department, told Fox News that the document — an “official Army response” to the request for Purple Heart status — is “an utter outrage” and that it was not surprising given it comes from the same department which labeled the attack “workplace violence.”

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/30/defense-department-says-giving-purple-heart-to-fort-hood-survivors-would-hurt/#ixzz2P25HcZe5

Beverly Fraud

March 30th, 2013
10:24 am

@Sophist, perhaps Jay should present the work, since he probably has better access to it than I do.

But in the story at least 5 schools had over 50 CRCT gains in a single year. Jean Dodd (who admitted had her own ethical issues) was the one board member who had been a teacher and say there was “no way these gains are legitimate”

5 schools have 50+ point gains in a single year and the AJC doesn’t, for close to a decade do a follow up story Sophist?

Does that sound like a paper that’s dying to get to the truth, Sophist?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
10:26 am

…would you please do those of us with only a couple of advanced degrees a favor?

Well, I only have Ph.Ds from Johns Hopkins, Cal Tech., MIT, Harvard, Yale and Princeton but I was able to understand just fine.

The Sophist-icated Republican

March 30th, 2013
10:28 am

Beverly Fraud,

You are the one making the claims so back up your yapping. Grow a pair.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 30th, 2013
10:29 am

Jay, it’s what you didn’t say Jay.

You’re gonna hold him accountable for what he doesn’t say?

Do you follow him around 24/7 with a recording device of some kind?

Oscar

March 30th, 2013
10:29 am

Kam – You should hve gotten one from Emory. Then you resume would hve some real weight, insstad of going to all those seocnd rate northern schools.

Jay

March 30th, 2013
10:30 am

“Jay that’s a dodge and you know it! It’s not that you “said something positive” Jay, it’s what you didn’t say Jay.”

No, Fraud. You are now living up to your own name. You are the one dodging, and doing a damn poor job of it as well.

You accused me of being “a Hall apologist of the first order.” That is a clear accusation that I defended Hall against attacks, and “of the first order” implies that I somehow led the effort to excuse Hall’s behavior or cover up what happened. You now seem to admit that you cannot back up that accusation. It seems that you are very quick to make accusations that you lack the evidence to substantiate. I guess that you can do that as an anonymous blogger. But you would not last long as a professional journalist forced to stand behind his or her work on a daily basis.

In contrast, I wrote about Hall as the evidence allowed me to do so. I would do exactly the same again. Doubt and suspicion are no substitute for proof. If Paul Donsky’s 2001 work actually “told us all we needed to know,” as you claim, then we would not have needed the subsequent in-depth AJC investigations and statistical analysis, which led to the state’s investigation of erasures on test papers (documents that the AJC could not access legally, but the state could), which in turn led to interrogations of APS employees by scores of GBI agents, etc., which led to the district attorney’s investigation, which led to yesterday’s indictments.

You contend that none of that was needed, that we knew all we needed to know back in 2001. I contend that you’re full of baloney.

Oscar

March 30th, 2013
10:30 am

They just don’t teach typing at Emory.

Escaped from Email Purgatory

March 30th, 2013
10:31 am

This is all very sad.

Beverly Hall looks like somebody’s grandma in that picture.

$7.5M for bail? That’s grandstanding.

The APS scandal is a national embarrassment for us. Hell, we Atlantans should used to those by now.

Lets see. Real Housewives of Atlanta and Honey Boo Boo. There was the Bill Campbell/Munson Steed Olympics. Street vendors, anyone? Traffic, crime, potholes. MARTA mismanagement.

And of course there are all the ignoble playoff performances by the Braves. “There’s a grounder to third! Chipper fields the ball and throws to…he threw the ball into center field!”

Then there’s our esteemed District Attorney, Paul Howard. Has his office overreached on these charges? Will they be undressed by high-priced talent retained by the defendants? Won’t be the first time our prosecutors looked like schmucks in a high-profile case.

No Child Left Behind – another federal mandate – demanded success – perhaps unattainable success given the socioeconomic environment within the city. Success to be measured by a test.

What often happens when unrealistic demands are placed on folks? They fudge the results. They cheat.