Gov. Deal should veto this so-called ‘ethics reform’

“Ethics reform” bills should never be written in secret, at the last minute, behind closed doors, by those who have a lot to gain by gutting them.

Because when that happens, as it did this week in the Georgia Legislature, bad things happen. You get a bill that masquerades as reform but in reality changes little and in important ways makes things worse.

Let’s begin with the “attorney loophole.” In a last-minute change to House Bill 142 — a change that had not been included in previous House or Senate versions of the bill — legislators in effect exempted attorneys from the state’s lobbyist disclosure and ethics law. Because the language was changed in secret, we don’t know who is responsible for it. But we do know that it creates a massive loophole in the law, because some of the most influential people lobbying our elected officials have law degrees.

In fact, the bill itself is evidence of that influence. As a result of the change they apparently sought, attorney/lobbyists do not have to abide by the much-ballyhooed $75 spending limit. Even worse, attorney/lobbyists are exempted from even having to disclose their lobbying expenditures to the public.

Here’s another nice little goody tucked into the bill:

Back in 2011, shortly after legislators gave Delta Air Lines an extension of a sales-tax exemption worth some $30 million, it was discovered that the airline had given top state officials a free upgrade to platinum or gold flying status. Delta officially valued those upgrades at a value of $1,588 to $2,831, but consumer advocate Clark Howard said at the time that they were actually worth more like $10,000 to $15,000.

House Speaker David Ralston, the chief sponsor of HB 142, was one of those who received the benefit. State Sen. Jeff Mullis, who led Senate negotiators on the ethics bill, was another beneficiary. Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle was a third. Senate Majority Leader Ronnie Chance was a fourth.

Under the “ethics reform” of HB 142, such upgrades will be exempted from the $75 gift cap. Even worse, the bill specifically states that such upgrades no longer even have to be reported.

You want another such outrage?

One of the prime drivers of ethics reform was public anger at legislators and their spouses being wined, dined and put up in fancy resorts by lobbyists and special interest groups, often at pricetags of $1,000 or more. Rather than try to address that problem or put controls on it, HB 142 explicitly legitimizes it.

The result is rather hilarious, if by hilarious you mean downright ridiculous. If this bill becomes law, a (non-attorney) lobbyist will be forbidden to spend more than $75 on a dinner for a legislator in Atlanta. However, if that same lobbyist pays to fly that same legislator — and his or her spouse, and his or her staff member(s) — to a resort somewhere for an “educational, informational, charitable, or civic meetings or conference”, the $75 limit no longer applies.

In fact, suddenly there is no limit whatsoever.

Then there’s the question of how this $75 cap will really work. It has been sold to Georgia voters as a limit on what can be spent on a legislator at any one event, occasion or gift purchase. However, in language added to the bill in secret, last-minute negotiations, the cap is defined as a $75 expenditure per gift “from any individual lobbyist.”

That language wasn’t added by accident. Again, somebody put it there, and they did so for a reason. As a result of the change, if you have two individual lobbyists, the gift limit jumps to $150. With three, it’s $225.

Gov. Nathan Deal ought to veto this bill and force legislators to do it again, this time in the open.

– Jay Bookman

120 comments Add your comment

Brosephus™

March 29th, 2013
12:43 pm

Did you honestly expect anything ethical from those jackasses?

stands for decibels

March 29th, 2013
12:43 pm

Funny, Kyle never said nothin’ about any of this yesterday.

(ok, ok, he hadn’t seen the actual bill yet. but still, wonder if he still thinks it’s worth becoming law, given what Jay, apparently, has seen.)

stands for decibels

March 29th, 2013
12:45 pm

Did you honestly expect anything ethical from those jackasses?

I guess after reading Kyle yesterday I was leaning toward “right direction, at least.” Now I’m not so sure. Probably just institutionalizing some truly crooked behavior.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 29th, 2013
12:45 pm

Ugh!

We gets what we pay for.

saywhat?

March 29th, 2013
12:46 pm

Republicans never fail to dissappoint, do they? Only in a Republican mind does “ethics reform” mean more freedom from ethical constraints.

stands for decibels

March 29th, 2013
12:47 pm

We gets what we pay for.

Yep. And these legislators are paid slave wages (compared to what they earn as professionals, anyway–17K/yr plus their daily stipend thingie) so we shouldn’t be surprised that they are slaves to the interests that actually own and remote-control them.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 29th, 2013
12:51 pm

And these legislators are paid slave wages…

You’ve been making that point for quite some time now and I’ve come to see the wisdom behind it, but some lingering doubt still remains that they would continue their behavior even if we did pay them what they thought they deserved.

Peadawg

March 29th, 2013
12:51 pm

$75 breakfast, $75 lunch, $75 dinner, and $75 concert tickets twice a week DOES NOT equal ethics reform.

Under the bus in GA

March 29th, 2013
12:51 pm

This bill is the result of so-called grassroots groups like TEA Party Patriots and Common Cause who pushed and prodded until the citizens of Georgia were served something looking more like a Funnel Cake at a County Fair covered in powdered sugar and strawberries so we won’t see all the holes. IT’S DISGRACEFUL! All parties involved including Debbie Dooley should be ashamed of this and instead they’re celebrating it. Say goodbye to any and all transparency!

td

March 29th, 2013
12:52 pm

We are in agreement on this one Jay but for probably different reasons although I agree with the exemption to lawyers is a good reason. Deal should veto this bill.

Brosephus™

March 29th, 2013
12:55 pm

dB

I didn’t read Kyle’s yesterday. I’ll even take Jay’s assessment with a grain of salt. I just honestly don’t expect anything resembling ethics to come from the Georgia Assembly.

TBS

March 29th, 2013
12:57 pm

stds

Saw a comment this morning that Kyle posted yesterday. He said that after reading the bill, he didn’t think it really did much. I think he originally thought it was a good step, but he did come back with a clarification.

Alex

March 29th, 2013
12:58 pm

Power corrupts, I doubt that paying them more would affect their reception of such gifts, look to the national level….Sounds as if this bill is a bunch of garbage…

Finn McCool (the system isn't broken; it's fixed)

March 29th, 2013
12:58 pm

dang. We got to get this on the 6 o’clock news

Anton Chigurh

March 29th, 2013
1:00 pm

But, isn’t Deal the one who negotiated the deal?

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 29th, 2013
1:03 pm

Well, if this stuff keeps up they’ll take all the profit out of politics and nobody will want to run for office. The Masters will go broke because no lobbyist will want to pay for tickets he can’t give to a legislater and about half of the fancy restaurants will have to close.

Why can’t people just kinda close their eyes or maybe squint a little and leave well enough alone? We get laws out of these people and nobody really thinks they get by on $17,000 a year. If this keeps up half of the people in the unemployment line will be lobbyists.

You got to pay to play. That goes for about anything you can think of. That’s my opinion and it’s very true. Have a good p.m. everybody.

Jay

March 29th, 2013
1:05 pm

Anton, Deal pressured the House and Senate to come to agreement, but to my knowledge he didn’t try to tell them what it ought to say.

saywhat?

March 29th, 2013
1:09 pm

Jay, “appalling” and “disgusting” would be better adjectives to describe this bill than hilarious and ridiculous. Just when you think Georgia’s Republicans have gotten as cynically shallow as they can get, they find a way to let more water out of the pool.

southpaw

March 29th, 2013
1:09 pm

Yesterday I expressed surprise that anything got passed, given the conflict between the House bill and the Senate bill. Maybe it would have been better if the bill HADN’T passed. Hindsight is 20/20, I suppose.

On second thought, if no bill had passed, we’d be griping about the lack of ethics legislation, the dog and pony show put on by each half of the legislature, and the finger pointing that would be going on right about now. What a choice…no bill vs. a bill that does nothing.

Brosephus™

March 29th, 2013
1:10 pm

Deal pressured the House and Senate to come to agreement, but to my knowledge he didn’t try to tell them what it ought to say.

The conservatives here should have demanded he do more like they want/expect from Obama. Maybe then, Deal may have wrote the legislation himself and provided something resembling ethics reform. Then again, I doubt Mr. Ethical Investigation Target would know ethics reform if it bit him in the ass.

JamVet

March 29th, 2013
1:11 pm

Maybe if you had an army of self-destructive voting stooges in your pocket like Ralston, Deal, Cagle et al do, you wouldn’t make any pretense of being honest and ethical either.

These men have NO shame.

And why our state gubn’mint needs to be drowned in a wash basin…

Whatever

March 29th, 2013
1:13 pm

Talk about ethics reform. How about this?

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/video-planned-parenthood-official-argues-right-post-birth-abortion_712198.html

Funny also how silent the media has been about the Philadelphia abortionist killing babies that were alive outside the womb.

America itself needs some serious ethics reform.

DebbieDoRight - What this country needs is more unemployed politicians

March 29th, 2013
1:15 pm


Gov. Deal should veto this so-called ‘ethics reform’

Really? Are you serious? Mr. “Ethics Violator Extraordinaire” veto an Ethics destroying bill?

Jay, are you getting tired? Maybe it’s time for a little Vay Cate. Maybe some fishing, or something.

stands for decibels

March 29th, 2013
1:15 pm

. He said that after reading the bill, he didn’t think it really did much.

Thanks for the info–here’s a link for anyone else who’d like to check it out.

Guess he isn’t sure if we really need to eat one of these if we’re ever to move forward. I’m not either.

DannyX

March 29th, 2013
1:16 pm

Having Deal involved with ethics reform would be like the blind leading the blind. Hey, maybe that’s why an agreement was reached in the dark.

Brosephus™

March 29th, 2013
1:18 pm

Funny also how silent the media has been about the Philadelphia abortionist killing babies that were alive outside the womb.

Funny how conservatives deflect from discussing the ethics of the people they’ve elected in Georgia and try to discuss things in other states. They even make up faux anger to mask the fact that they repeatedly vote for politicians with little to no ethics simply because of the (R) behind their name or because the politician claims to be “conservative.

As for the lack of media coverage, when you have to lie to make a point, you don’t really have a point to make. There’s Google’s complete smackdown of your lie. Next time, at least search things before making a fool of yourself.

barking frog

March 29th, 2013
1:19 pm

It is almost impossible to legislate morality or ethics for legislators in any
effective manner unless the legislators are ethical and moral
and if they were you would not need the legislation and any pay increase
would just be a bonus.

stands for decibels

March 29th, 2013
1:19 pm

Power corrupts, I doubt that paying them more would affect their reception of such gifts, look to the national level

On a national level, almost all of these guys spend every spare moment trying to raise cash for their campaigns, because we stupid Americans won’t fund them publicly. Because we’re stupid. Stupid, stupid, stupid. We do EVERYTHING the hard way.

Jerome Horwitz

March 29th, 2013
1:20 pm

Georgia Ethics is almost as big an oxymoron as an earlier topic this week – Goergia Wisdom.

saywhat?

March 29th, 2013
1:20 pm

The “best” part about this ethics bill is that it was constructed in response to public outrage over the previous gutting of existing ethics law, and yet, actually manages to gut it further.

Whats next? “Education reform”, where we stop paying to educate the poor, but instead “allow” them to pay for their own private education? “Environmental reform”, where the state fines people who report environmental violations?

barking frog

March 29th, 2013
1:21 pm

Governor will veto this ethics bill if you can make it
worth it to him.

F. Sinkwich

March 29th, 2013
1:21 pm

A pixel is a terrible thing to waste.

Looks like we’re on our way to squandering a barge load this afternoon…

Brosephus™

March 29th, 2013
1:21 pm

Kamchak

Meant to ask you about a name the other day but couldn’t remember it. Has Zuzana Straska hit on your radar?

TBS

March 29th, 2013
1:22 pm

Whatever (sock puppet # 1 billion)

That 1:18 is known as a blog slap, but I think you have been often enough to know that.

Whatever

March 29th, 2013
1:22 pm

Bro,

I’m not dodging this issue. I think the ethics reform on the table is weak and have said so in the past.

Just frustrated at the double-standard in the media.

A few articles found on Google pales in comparison to what the national media (TV) could be saying about the case. There’s hardly a peep.

DebbieDoRight - What this country needs is more unemployed politicians

March 29th, 2013
1:22 pm

The conservatives here should have demanded he do more like they want/expect from Obama.

Bro — Are you okay? Has the new baby been keeping you up all night and you haven’t been getting any sleep? I mean, after a post like that one ^^^ I’m afraid you may be just a weee bit sleep deprived.

Seriously.

Bernie

March 29th, 2013
1:23 pm

Jay, Our current PHARAOH, King of the Georgia CLOWN POSSE gang at the Dome. Sees no problem with this proposal any other proposal that suits our Fine King.

The King, readily supports the construction of a (1) one Billion Dollar New Football Stadium that only he and his cohorts can access to the brand new Executive Sky Boxes. You know a Country Boy like King Nathan have never had such Fine Luxuries. So here is his chance with free food & Drinks to Boot…Yee! Haw! Eugene, will you take a look at me NOW! Hot digitty DOG!
This is some mighty fine Stuff, Y’all got here!

However, when it comes to seeing about the children of Georgia’s healthcare? Well that is another story….We just cannot Do that! Obama is just being ridiculous. We cannot insure the whole STATE! My God, we would go Broke! King Nathan how about if the federal Government agrees to pay 100% for 3years? Nope! can’t Do it! then 90% after year (3) three?
I Do not care! too bad!

What about all of the millions of Georgia residents children,seniors,disabled,
and mentally handicapped who are now without healthcare and need it?

They had BETTER get to PRAYING! Because, They AIN’T goin to GET NO HELP from ME!

tm

March 29th, 2013
1:23 pm

“Ethics reform” bills should never be written in secret, at the last minute, behind closed doors, by those who have a lot to gain by gutting them.
Buts its ok if it’s Obama Care and pork is added at the last minute behind closed doors?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 29th, 2013
1:23 pm

Has Zuzana Straska hit on your radar?

Not familiar with that name, but will google it now.

Whatever

March 29th, 2013
1:24 pm

TBS,

I don’t get into the whole “who one-upped who” thing. It’s very childish and I don’t let my kids do it either.

I prefer serious conversation. What we call ethics today is very frustrating.

Whatever

March 29th, 2013
1:25 pm

Bro,

BTW, I haven’t voted for a major party candidate since before 2010. I’ve given up on GA Republicans.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 29th, 2013
1:26 pm

Well, it’s Friday afternoon and I feel like Dufner-ing it: See Bleacher Report.com “‘Dufnering’: New Craze Takes the Golfing World by Storm.” There’s nobody in the world that Dufners better than Jason Dufner. He’s even got people like Keegan Bradley and Rickie Fowler doing it. Even when he tosses a putter in disgust it’s kinda lazy and half-hearted.

So if you’re out shopping and you see a beer-truck driver kinda lazing around and acting half-hearted, you’ll know you’ve run into Old Redneck.

Only 3 hours and about 30 minutes till I’ll Dufner up to Billy Bob’s. Have a good FNM everybody.

DebbieDoRight - What this country needs is more unemployed politicians

March 29th, 2013
1:27 pm

Next time, at least search things before making a fool of yourself

Yeah right………….like that’s gonna happen! :roll:

Get thee some sleep man! You’re loosing it!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 29th, 2013
1:27 pm

Zuzana Straska

Heh, heh, heh.

getalife

March 29th, 2013
1:28 pm

It is not like the cons will hold them accountable or even care about ethics and morals.

indigo

March 29th, 2013
1:29 pm

Did anyone here honestly believe The Georgia Legislature would adopt a real ethics reform bill?

As long as Republicans are in charge it will be not now, not ever, never.

TBS

March 29th, 2013
1:30 pm

Whatever

It wasn’t a “one up” at all. It was just reality of you being called out for deflecting. Nothing less, nothing more

Erwin's cat

March 29th, 2013
1:30 pm

Remember Article 1 a few years ago…making Ga competitive by allowing employers to force you to sign ridiculous non-competes? …..guess who was exempt from that one too?

Brosephus™

March 29th, 2013
1:33 pm

Whatever

When your first post on the thread starts off with “Talk about ethics reform. How about this?”, it’s kinda hard to not think that’s a deflection.

I can’t apply my standards to you, but personally, ethics reform in Georgia hits much closer to home for me than a doctor’s trial in Philadelphia. I wouldn’t testify on behalf of that doctor if he were my brother for what he did, but ethics here in Georgia can/will affect my wallet more than that doctor.

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DDR

I’m perfectly fine. I just don’t understand how/why the conservative base expects Obama to lead the legislature on important things yet they don’t ask Deal to do the same.

Alex

March 29th, 2013
1:34 pm

@ stands, on further thought many of the national senators are independently wealthy and yet lobbying influence is still present. Agree that Deal should be more of a leader, he, like Obama is on the sidelines and not leading. Where is the Administration budget, supposed to be available in Feb. Where is deal suggesting ethics reform. Wouldn’t it be nice if we had leaders….Mconnel, pelosi,Reed,Boehner,deal,Obama….?Naw… “take me to you leader”…..

TBS

March 29th, 2013
1:34 pm

EC

I’ve have two friends, both in sales, who had to lawyer up because of non competes. Cost them a little money, but their previous employer dropped the issue.

Whatever

March 29th, 2013
1:36 pm

TBS,

I’m not deflecting. I’ve stated my position on ethics reforms many times before. I don’t have to repeat it over and over again for it to still be real.

All I was doing was taking this particular ethics issue and using it to spotlight how we all have major ethical problems. It’s not just our leaders, it’s us.

Whatever

March 29th, 2013
1:37 pm

Bro,

If your wallet is your main concern, and I’m not saying it is, just going off your comment, then that in itself is an ethics issue.

Brosephus™

March 29th, 2013
1:37 pm

A few articles found on Google pales in comparison to what the national media (TV) could be saying about the case. There’s hardly a peep.

Did you look at the link? NBC News does count as national media, right? I’ve seen it reported on ABC Nightly News as well. Can’t say I agree with you on this one.

TBS

March 29th, 2013
1:37 pm

Whatever

Ok buddy……. whatever

Erwin's cat

March 29th, 2013
1:38 pm

TBS…I just get tired of the “this new law/regulation” applies to everyone except for the people who wrote it mentality in gov’t

TBS

March 29th, 2013
1:40 pm

Bro

Well it was at first the “media was silent” then when that was shot to hell it changed to only some links of Google and how it should be covered.

Goal post moving will be the moving of the stadium next…….

Oh well.

JamVet

March 29th, 2013
1:42 pm

If your wallet is your main concern, and I’m not saying it is, just going off your comment, then that in itself is an ethics issue.

From last night:

>i>JamVet
March 28th, 2013
7:43 pm

There must be a positive Passion for the public good, the public Interest, Honor, Power, and Glory, established in the Minds of the People, or there can be no Republican Government, nor any real Liberty. And this public Passion must be Superior to all private Passions. Men must be ready, they must pride themselves, and be happy to sacrifice their private Pleasures, Passions, and Interests, nay their private Friendships and dearest connections, when they Stand in Competition with the Rights of society. ~John Adams, 1776

TBS

March 29th, 2013
1:43 pm

EC

I hear ya. I was hoping for some ethics reform but it appears we didn’t get it. We just went from the good ole boy Democrats of yesteryear to the new ole boy Republicans of today. Look at the new boss, same as the old boss

Other states certainly have their issues with some being worse than GA. GA government certainly doesn’t do everything wrong but they could do a much better job. On the other hand, that goes for the Fed level as well.

JamVet

March 29th, 2013
1:44 pm

Zooks, I messed up the slanties.

No worries, the message is still the same.

Jefferson

March 29th, 2013
1:47 pm

Painting turds…this legislation — the present.

In the past

As Eugene Talmadge once said “A working man only has three friends in this state — Sears, Roebucks and Eugene Talmadge” and “I think somebody has been eating my BBQ and not voting for me” back when politicans held public BBQs to hear (bribe) them speak.

Whatever

March 29th, 2013
1:48 pm

TBS,

How much time has been devoted to the story on national TV? That’s the real question. We get more time talking about who was on DWTS than stories like these.

I don’t have a goal post to move. Just pointing out that I believe the media purposefully gives less coverage to stories that they negatively portray their pet beliefs. Both sides do it.

TBS

March 29th, 2013
1:55 pm

Whatever

Plain and simply put, your premise was shot down in flames. And yes you are moving the goal post.

If you want a study of how much coverage that story has receive, go do the research required to find that answer.

Let us know what you find.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 29th, 2013
1:56 pm

SHOCK VIDEO: PLANNED ‘PARENTHOOD’ official argues for ‘post-birth’ abortion rights…

Yep, drudgey spam.

Dave

March 29th, 2013
1:56 pm

Good lord, it’s worse than I thought. And the vote was unanimous. I’m represented by Jason Carter and Mary Margaret Oliver who I always thought had some sense. I guess I was wrong. I doubt I’ll vote for a Republican; but, are there a couple of ethical Dems or independents that want to run in DeKalb? Let’s have lunch, but we’re going Dutch.

TBS

March 29th, 2013
1:58 pm

TC

Have a great afternoon. Will check back in a little while.

Jay

March 29th, 2013
2:00 pm

Dave, in defense of those of both parties who voted for this, the final bill was held back until shortly before they had to vote on it, and in the last-minute flurry most had no chance to read or digest it. It wasn’t until this morning that I had a chance to read it myself.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 29th, 2013
2:00 pm

…but we’re going Dutch

Dutch?

Make mine Doutzen Kroes!

n

March 29th, 2013
2:00 pm

Jason Carter, Josh McKoon, Stacey Abrams, DuBose Porter, Carol Porter….SOMEBODY START RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR!!!!!
I am sick to death of these evil corrupt men.

DebbieDoRight - What this country needs is more unemployed politicians

March 29th, 2013
2:00 pm

Bro: I’m perfectly fine. I just don’t understand how/why the conservative base expects Obama to lead the legislature on important things yet they don’t ask Deal to do the same.

Are you kidding?!? They expect Obama to walk on water, while not exactly walking on water…

……..stop job loss, but not if it means actually hiring more people to work for the government….

………relieve the debt, but not if it means raising taxes…………..

………more info on Benghazi,, but when he gives it to them, it’s not enough and when he gives more than it was too much info and they can’t assimilate all of it that fast…….

……..Kill BinLaden but when he does that, he didn’t actually do it the Seals did it; but when its stated that he gave the order for it to be done, then it really wasn’t him it was probably Hillary………..

———Benghazi!! Why did they die? But when its noted that the FUNDS for the State Department was cut in half and hindered the option of affording more security, then they say “That’s HISTORY!!”………..

…….they want him to make the states more solvent, but when you mention that the States are run by the governors, they say that Obama isn’t leading; but when he leads in the fight for gun control they say he’s trying to take away state’s rights………

…………..speaking of gun control – when he asks for sensible gun laws, then he’s infrniginging on their 2nd ammendment rights; but when its mentioned about the rights of gays to marry, then they bring in the bible…………..

IOW No matter WHAT Obama does, he’s not going to win with this crowd.

The only way he’d win is if he was a complete republican tool like Hermain 999 Cain or that crazy guy who sees communists in Florida……………..

Jefferson

March 29th, 2013
2:05 pm

Deal, the one under ethics investigations when elected Gov of GA, that Deal ?

Dave

March 29th, 2013
2:10 pm

Jay, at 2:00 p.m., voting for something that you haven’t read, though common, almost makes it worse. And, I don’t think they were clueless as to what games were being paid in the back room.

And to those slamming Republicans, not that that isn’t satisfying, the vote by every single Democrat was yes. Jokers on the left of me, jokers on the right, stuck in the middle with no leaders with an ounce of integrity.

n

March 29th, 2013
2:10 pm

Jeff Chapman, Charlie Harper. START RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR!
SAVE OUR POOR STATE FROM THESE HOOLIGANS!!
We are in the final stages of decline.
Seeking an honest person (holds lantern, peering into darkness)

Soothsayer

March 29th, 2013
2:12 pm

Jay, if you think our Legislators are going to vote themselves out of a gravy train, you’re suffering from delusions.

In the end, it was all a big show to try to impress the voting public that “reform” was indeed taking place.

The reality is nothing is going to change.

Dave

March 29th, 2013
2:14 pm

Played not paid, though the error is funny given the subject.

Doggone/GA

March 29th, 2013
2:18 pm

“Dave, in defense of those of both parties who voted for this, the final bill was held back until shortly before they had to vote on it, and in the last-minute flurry most had no chance to read or digest it”

Then, if they were ETHICAL, they should have voted against it.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 29th, 2013
2:20 pm

Then, if they were ETHICAL, they should have voted against it.

If they were ethical, then no legislation was necessary.

Thomas Heyward Jr

March 29th, 2013
2:20 pm

“In fact, the bill itself is evidence of that influence. As a result of the change they apparently sought, attorney/lobbyists do not have to abide by the much-ballyhooed $75 spending limit. Even worse, attorney/lobbyists are exempted from even having to disclose their lobbying expenditures to the public.”
.
For what it is worth……I give Bookman credit for even mentioning this.
,
.Just goes to show how ……………utterly…………………..CLASSLESS…………….the Georgia BAR is .
Republican and/or Democrat………………Georgia lawyers are…………..IMHO……………Bottom-feeding swine and richly deserve their NATIONAL reputation.

Soothsayer

March 29th, 2013
2:23 pm

“Just goes to show how ……………utterly…………………..CLASSLESS…………….the Georgia BAR is .
Republican and/or Democrat………………Georgia lawyers are…………..IMHO……………Bottom-feeding swine and richly deserve their NATIONAL reputation.”

Heyward: don’t sugar coat it! Tell it like it is!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 29th, 2013
2:28 pm

Oh no…. Heyward insults lawyers. No one ever talks bad about lawyers. :roll:

Jethro Bodine

March 29th, 2013
2:29 pm

I doubt that Deal will veto his money grubbin ways—but he did sell his toxic waste dump up in Hall County recently. I think (big?) Deal is just primed to run for the Prez in 2016.

Jay

March 29th, 2013
2:30 pm

I would guess that the number of elected officials at every level in the country, from town council to state Legislature to Congress, who read every bill they vote upon would probably be fewer than 100.

That’s just the reality of the process.

Doggone/GA

March 29th, 2013
2:32 pm

“If they were ethical, then no legislation was necessary”

I’m not talking about them ALL…only those who voted yes and then gave the excuse, or accepted the excuse, that they didn’t have time to read it.

Doggone/GA

March 29th, 2013
2:34 pm

“That’s just the reality of the process”

It is, but the question is: SHOULD it be…especially when it’s a bill about ethics?

Cosby

March 29th, 2013
2:39 pm

Well…at least you did not put in bold letter Republicans..a sitch for you…but once elected, politicians become well politicians…I agree…Deal should veto and then the people should vote out all of them Dems and Repubs…time for none of the above on the ballot..if no one wins, the seat stays vacant..

Happy Easter….oops that was politically incorrect so Happy Easter

Bernie

March 29th, 2013
2:40 pm

Jefferson @ 1:47 pm – Former Governor & Senator Eugene Talmadage was one of Georgia’s most RACISTS and PRJUDICED Legislator, that have ever walked the halls and offices of the Georgia Dome, hands down.

His opinion of African Americans, they were not HUMAN! He often described them as SUB Humans undeveloped. To him they were Animals to be caged and controlled. A mindset that was and still remains to this day here in Georgia.

Eugene railled against any legislation that would afford any African American any type of sembelence of equality or opportunity.

Eugene’s unique brand and kind of hatred can easily be found among today’s Republican & Tea Party members and their many supporters. They want to return to the era and days of Eugene Talmadge. Their thinking is if we would only do that! ALL would be perfect in America again.

A time when White MALES were King! Everyone else, Second Class rejects. Not citizens! The rest of US, were not even qualified to be called a Citizen. In their Mind!

Sadly to this day he is still Loved and adored by many Georgians and even by this commenter – Jefferson!

Mugshot.com and UnpublishArrest.com: Partners in crime info?

March 29th, 2013
2:42 pm

A few months back, just for the heck of it, I Googled the name of my old high school girlfriend, just to see what would pop up.
Maybe I would see an updated photo of her, I thought, some pics of her husband and kids. I wasn’t sure why I typed her name in the Google search bar. I suppose it was just one of those days when I had read everything online that I wanted to, but still couldn’t take my laptop off my lap for some reason.
To my surprise, there was only one picture I saw of my former girlfriend in Google Image: It was an arrest mugshot from a DUI charge on a site called Mugshots.com, one of many sites that has made a private business out of public information.

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/mugshotcom-and-unpublisharrestcom-partners-in-crime-info-121712.html

Jefferson

March 29th, 2013
2:47 pm

Bernie, calm down — quotes are just that, quotes. You may get into situations assuming…

Simple Truths

March 29th, 2013
2:48 pm

Jay Today: You can’t trust the Legislature
Jay Next Week: We need to give them more money (because, you know, we can’t trust them).

Daedalus

March 29th, 2013
2:55 pm

Oh well. Another waste of a legislative session.

Time to focus on important things, like whether my Ducks can beat Louisville tonight. Now that would be as shocking as the Georgia legislature passing real ethics reform and actually funding a watchdog agency. Actually the Ducks chances look much better than that. Ethics reform in Georgia is a truly hopeless cause because anything can happen in the NCAA tourney this year.

JamVet

March 29th, 2013
3:01 pm

Daedalus, and if there is a Phog Allen/James Naismith BB God up there somewhere, the Shockers will best the Suckeyes and meet KU for an all Kansas championship game…

Bhorsoft

March 29th, 2013
3:05 pm

Did anyone really think we were going to get any kind of ethic reform from this bunch of clowns? The whole idea was to posture through the legislative session, come to a gridlock, and then come out with some worthless, watered down legislation. Then you can go back to the voters and say we tried and came up with something. 90% of the voting sheeples will buy it or forget about it before the next election cycle.

indigo

March 29th, 2013
3:08 pm

It becomes clearer every day that both Big Business and our political system are sitting on a solid foundation of lies, lies and more lies.

It makes one wonder just how bad the truth must be.

straitroad

March 29th, 2013
3:10 pm

Jay, it’s difficult to take your outrage seriously after your support of the federal ACA legislation. One might imagine what you would say if David Ralston stated “we must pass it to find out what’s in it”.

Jay

March 29th, 2013
3:14 pm

strait, that’s a lame, lame effort at deflection.

What Pelosi meant and said was that the PUBLIC won’t fully understand what’s in the bill until it is implemented, which is an eminently reasonable, logical statement. The fact that you and others pretend she meant something else is sad in its own right, but the fact that you’re still doing so four years later makes it sadder still.

Simple Truths

March 29th, 2013
3:22 pm

So Jay, what someone says doesn’t matter. It is how you perceive what someone says is what’s important? Thanks! Got it.

Jay, that is the saddest of all.

Doggone/GA

March 29th, 2013
3:24 pm

“but the fact that you’re still doing so four years later makes it sadder still.”

I wouldn’t call it sad…I would call it hilarious!

Mr_B

March 29th, 2013
3:26 pm

The difficulty lies in the difference between what most Americans mean by the word “reform” and what the Standard Republican Dictionary definition of the word. To most of us, “reform” mean to correct an error or an inequality. The SRD, on the other hand, defines “reform” as “reform, V: to eviscerate: to gut; to emasculate: e.g. Healthcare reform, tax reform, ethics reform”.

saywhat?

March 29th, 2013
3:33 pm

Simple Truths

March 29th, 2013
3:22 pm
So Jay, what someone says doesn’t matter. It is how you perceive what someone says is what’s important? Thanks! Got it.

Jay, that is the saddest of all.
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No, you don’t “got it”. As a matter of fact, you missed it entirely. Try again.

Alex

March 29th, 2013
3:35 pm

@ Indigo, look to Wall ST. and Cohen’s Hedge fund and more insider trading,l but don’t get too depressed, this has been around for centuries(Boss Tweed)and countless other. Take care of your family, do the best you can and rale against the system……MORE COWBELL

Jay, so you’re saying that something (in this case a bill) cannot be understood unless implemented and that this is eminently reasonable. Hmmm, so you think the legislatures have the ability to understand the bill beffore it is implemeted, yet earlier you say that they rarely can have time to read the bill, HMMMM. Back to reality,in essence you have proven straights case, hmmmm and “that’s the reality of the process” Can’t escape your bias, unless you try..keep trying….

Happy Easter to all, eat too much Vit C (Chocolate).