Speaker Boehner and the eternal wisdom of Abe Lincoln

Hilarious. Absolutely hilarious.

House Speaker John Boehner has sent out a memo to fellow House Republicans in which he updates the current situation and attempts to bathe his party’s efforts in the reflected nobility of President Abraham Lincoln, the most famous Republican of all.

Boehner writes:

A NOBLE PURPOSE: BALANCING FOR GROWTH AND WHY IT MATTERS

There should be no doubt that our purpose in calling for a balanced budget is a noble one, and the right one.

The book Congressman Lincoln by Chris DeRose, which I recently read, includes a chapter focused on Abraham Lincoln’s efforts to help craft a new national agenda.  At one point in the book, young Lincoln warns that government debt is “growing with a rapidity fearful to contemplate.”

“[Government debt] is a system not only ruinous while it lasts, but one that must soon fail and leave us destitute,” Lincoln warns his countrymen in Congressman Lincoln.  “An individual who undertakes to live by borrowing, soon finds his original means devoured by interest, and next no one left to borrow from — so must it be with a government.”

Lincoln’s words ring true today, perhaps to a degree greater than ever before.”

Yes, they certainly do ring true. Because as Luke Johnson of Huffington Post astutely points out, the Lincoln quote as presented by Boehner is a bit truncated. In the original, our most revered Republican goes on in the very next sentence to write:

“We repeat, then, that a tariff sufficient for revenue, or a direct tax, must soon be resorted to, and indeed we believe this alternative is now denied by no one.”

In the sentence before the Boehner selection, Lincoln also makes his stance clear. The debt that he condemns so strongly “has been produced by a prevailing unwillingness to either to increase the tariff or resort to direct taxation,” the future president wrote.

Then, for the icing on the cake, Lincoln argues strongly for raising the necessary revenue through a tariff on imported luxury goods, because through the preferred tariff “the burthen of revenue falls almost entirely on the wealthy and luxurious few, while the substantial and laboring many … go entirely free.”

He opposes the direct, or property, tax for much the same reason, because under that system, the little guy gets hit hard. “However strictly the citizen may exclude from his premises all foreign luxuries — fine cloths, fine silks, rich wines, golden chains and diamond rings — still, for the possession of his house, his barn, his homespun, he is to be perpetually haunted and harassed by the tax-gatherer.”

As Thomas Jefferson used to say, “Now you know … the rest of the story!”

– Jay Bookman

463 comments Add your comment

larry

March 28th, 2013
5:18 pm

Didnt he say we dont have a debt problem?

larry

March 28th, 2013
5:19 pm

Oh, yeah me, i’m first.

I’ve never done this before.

Jay

March 28th, 2013
5:22 pm

Congratulations on your first first, Larry. You’ve broken your blog maiden, as they say in the horse racing game.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 28th, 2013
5:25 pm

Well, the douchebag doesn’t fall far from the shower head, now does it?

Welcome to the Occupation

March 28th, 2013
5:30 pm

Haaaaa.

Haaaa.

Ha.

Logical Dude

March 28th, 2013
5:31 pm

Good Job Boehner!

Great editing work to get your point across.

Good job Luke Johnson of Huffington Post for telling the rest of the story.

“Now you know … the rest of the story!” – Abraham Lincoln

Bullseye

March 28th, 2013
5:32 pm

Did Abe wear flag pins?

jconservative

March 28th, 2013
5:37 pm

So Lincoln was a tax and spend Democrat?

fedup

March 28th, 2013
5:38 pm

So by not taxing the poor Lincoln was pandering to the 47%.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 28th, 2013
5:38 pm

“The debt that he condemns so strongly “has been produced by a prevailing unwillingness to either to increase the tariff or resort to direct taxation,” the future president wrote.”

Great !

Then let’s increase tariffs and do away with property and income taxes.

AND ……………… initiate the FAIR TAX !

Logical Dude

March 28th, 2013
5:39 pm

fedup: So by not taxing the poor Lincoln was pandering to the 47%

Well, at the time it was probably the 65%.

(and yes, I make up percentages regularly)

Bernie

March 28th, 2013
5:40 pm

House Speaker John Boehner is a Liar and a Degenerate from OHIO with the Attention Span of a Gnat.

He is also a Honorary member of the Georgia CLOWN POSSE Club! with Newt as its Presiding leader!

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 28th, 2013
5:42 pm

Can big, power hungry, intrusive, destructive, freedom dissolving government ever be stopped ?

JamVet

March 28th, 2013
5:42 pm

Incredible.

The man who is second in the United States presidential line of succession is an orange bimbo…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82CYNj7noic

jconservative

March 28th, 2013
5:43 pm

In the spring of 1981 the President and the Congress, with the permission of a large majority of American voters, decided that government could reduce its revenue, increase its spending and the huge $950 Billion national debt would soon disappear.

$16 Trillion dollars of Debt later all of the parties listed above still Believe…….!

Aquagirl

March 28th, 2013
5:44 pm

Even Boehner knows House Republicans are so stupid they’ll swallow anything.

TBS

March 28th, 2013
5:45 pm

“Even Boehner knows House Republicans are so stupid they’ll swallow anything.”

It isn’t just the House Republicans swallowing what he is selling………

td

March 28th, 2013
5:45 pm

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 28th, 2013
5:38 pm

I am all for the fair tax. Pay your taxes on the what and the amount you consume.

clem

March 28th, 2013
5:46 pm

shame that derose wrote book so late or maybe w and boehner would have been more hesitant to start unfunded programs and wars

TBS

March 28th, 2013
5:47 pm

Scout

How about that substantiation on Muslim women and the TSA. Let me guess: Your yahoo, google and bing have all been broke………….

:-)

Rubberman

March 28th, 2013
5:47 pm

President Lincoln would be characterized as a RINO in today’s iteration of The Crazy Party. I wonder how Wingfield and his Merry Band of Regressive Dimwits will spin this into something anti-Obama?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 28th, 2013
5:50 pm

Larry, for 3 simple EZ installment payments of $39.99, you can get a commemorative plaque describing your first! Suitable for hanging on your wall for all your friends to see. And if you order now, we’ll include a special replica letter from Newt copied from the internet to celebrate. ;)

Now as to Jay’s post, I guess no one in Boehner’s office excepts anyone to check the original quote for context. They were not expecting a Spanish inquisition.

Welcome to the Occupation

March 28th, 2013
5:50 pm

jconservative: “So Lincoln was a tax and spend Democrat?”

Yes.

JamVet

March 28th, 2013
5:51 pm

John the Weeper is just getting an early start in the GOP’s 2014 gaffefest campaign …

Your yahoo, google and bing have all been broke………….

They were damaged falling down a rabbit hole…

kayaker 71

March 28th, 2013
5:52 pm

Comparing the debt and the need for “revenue” to pay that debt in the time of Lincoln and what Bozo has accumulated?….. apples and bananas. Bookman is implying that Lincoln was advocating that each in our society pay their “fair share”, whatever that is. Diamond rings, fine wines, gold chains….. oh, were it that simple.

TBS

March 28th, 2013
5:52 pm

td

Even your hero Rush is realizing the inevitable. He is saying that regardless of the Supreme Court rulings on gay marriage it will eventually come to pass that gays will be allowed to marry in every state.

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then. Guess he has found one, huh?

fedup

March 28th, 2013
5:52 pm

The “47%” was made up by Your precious Willard. I am just yanking the con chains. It feels like friday.

Mary Elizabeth

March 28th, 2013
5:53 pm

Speaking of Abraham Lincoln and Thomas Jefferson, I recommend that all readers both see the performance of Daniel Day-Lewis – who appears to become Lincoln – in Spielberg’s currently playing film “Lincoln,” as well as view the traveling exhibit entitled, “Jefferson and His Slaves,” at the Atlanta History Center, which is sponsored by the Monticello Foundation.

It was Jefferson’s desire, as a young man, to condemn slavery in America in writing in the original Declaration of Independence, but representatives from Georgia and S.C. would not have it, so Jefferson deleted those lines condemning slavery that he had originally written into the Declaration of Independence to keep the colonies unified. Later in his life, Jefferson was a strong proponent of public education so that all of America’s citizens – those of wealth and those without wealth – would be well-informed citizens/participants in the governing of themselves. His efforts in Virginia’s Legislature to ensure public education for all citizens were defeated because the wealthy representatives in Virginia’s Legislature did not want to pay for the public education of the less fortunate citizens’ children through taxes placed on them, to that end. It was later, after Jefferson had died, that public education in America was established. However, the freeing of the slaves happened about the time in America’s history which Jefferson had predicted. For a fuller understanding – than most have of Jefferson – I highly recommend seeing and reading about Jefferson in depth, in the exhibit on “Jefferson and His Slaves” at the Atlanta History Center – until mid summer.

Welcome to the Occupation

March 28th, 2013
5:54 pm

Rubberman: “President Lincoln would be characterized as a RINO in today’s iteration of The Crazy Party”

Oh that’s far too conservative a claim. Lincoln was a communist by the standards of today’s wildly right-skewing political discourse.

If he were around today, Lincoln would be so far left he would careen not only past the Republicans but the Democrats too.

Lincoln was a radical. And the only radicals allowed in politics in the United States of today are radicals of the right.

saywhat?

March 28th, 2013
5:55 pm

I imagine Honest Abe Lincoln must roll over in his grave anytime one of our current crop of Republicans quotes him or invokes his name. Boehner, what a scummy man.

fedup

March 28th, 2013
5:56 pm

“Can big, power hungry, intrusive, destructive, freedom dissolving government ever be stopped ?”
I didn’t know Jay was talking about N Korea, China, Russia, etc. over here.

pogo

March 28th, 2013
5:56 pm

Jay, so now we have taxes on working Americans that Lincoln would have never even dreamed of so in some way are you trying to imply that we must have more taxes to pay for our unending ever growing debt without any effort to reduce the dependency of our populace on entitlements and our government’s inability to run any program with fiscal responsibility? Revenue is now raised from an ever shrinking number of working people and Lincoln would not have been at all happy with that because the vast majority of them do not wear “silk and furs”. Have you not seen the huge numbers of people that have gone on disability (SSN) and foodstamps in the last 4 years and what they are costing this country? At this point an un-ending escalation of taxes won’t even pay for the interests on our debt due to the entitlements. What would Lincoln have thought about that? Lincoln would not have abided the entitlement minded very well because he was a workaholic. You are comparing what he said long ago about taxes on luxury and somehow rationalizing and comparing that with what is going on today which is a large part of our society now thinks the government should do everything for them without any effort from themselves.

TBS

March 28th, 2013
5:57 pm

Scout

Let me help you. If you forwarded that crap to your buddies, don’t forget to send a clarification………

“An airline passenger was thrown out of the San Diego airport for rejecting a full-body scan and pat-down groin check and instead insisting on passing through a metal detector; the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) says the agency will not allow airline passengers to get out of body imaging screening or pat-downs based on their religious beliefs; TSA chief John Pistole said that passengers who refuse to go through a full-body scanner machine and reject a pat-down will not be allowed to board, even if they turned down the in-depth screening for religious reasons; “That person is not going to get on an airplane,” Pistole said yesterday in a congressional committee testimony”

http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire.com/tsa-religion-offers-no-exemption-airport-screening

Don’t mention it buddy. Anytime. You are most certainly welcome.

Bullseye

March 28th, 2013
5:58 pm

Boehner is rad man.

Welcome to the Occupation

March 28th, 2013
6:04 pm

pogo: “At this point an un-ending escalation of taxes won’t even pay for the interests on our debt due to the entitlements. What would Lincoln have thought about that?”

Duhhh. He would have said raise the taxes on all income above $500,000 to 100% and ruthlessly eliminate loopholes to ensure the effective rate comes as close to that rate as possible. Then he would lay into our capital gains tax rates with an axe and when the wails and cries of protest came forth from the money-drenched capitalist pigs were, he would keep hacking away with ruthless determination.

That’s what I would see Abraham Lincoln doing were he president today.

Unknown Comic

March 28th, 2013
6:05 pm

Even Boehner knows House Republicans are so stupid they’ll swallow anything.

True — Just ask Ted Haggard…………

(Ta Da Da!)

Welcome to the Occupation

March 28th, 2013
6:06 pm

pogo,

And when he got through with all that, he would have done what Roosevelt did and would have instituted massive public works projects putting millions of able-bodied Americans to work basically overnight, again over the howls and cries of the capitalists crying “communist!”.

And then, when all that was in the works, he would probably set to work on some serious wealth confiscation.

Got the picture?

td

March 28th, 2013
6:07 pm

TBS

March 28th, 2013
5:52 pm

td

Even your hero Rush is realizing the inevitable. He is saying that regardless of the Supreme Court rulings on gay marriage it will eventually come to pass that gays will be allowed to marry in every state.

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then. Guess he has found one, huh?

And when the state of Georgia votes to accept Gay marriage then I will have to accept it. I will still call homosexual acts a sin.

Unknown Comic

March 28th, 2013
6:08 pm

Comparing the debt and the need for “revenue” to pay that debt in the time of Lincoln and what Bozo has accumulated?…..

Leave George W. Bush outta this……………

Unknown Comic

March 28th, 2013
6:09 pm

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then. Guess he has found one, huh?

He can only get nuts with the help of Viagara……………..

TBS

March 28th, 2013
6:10 pm

“I will still call homosexual acts a sin.”

Call it what you want. Who said you couldn’t?

The inevitable is coming and there is not much you can do to stop it. It certainly wont be the in the next year or two, but it is on the way……..

You may as well go ahead and buy a fainting couch before there is a run on them and the prices go up…..

bwhahahahhaa

:-)

Unknown Comic

March 28th, 2013
6:11 pm

highly recommend seeing and reading about Jefferson in depth, in the exhibit on “Jefferson and His Slaves” at the Atlanta History Center – until mid summer.

Will Sally Hemmings be there too……………..

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 28th, 2013
6:12 pm

Can someone provide me a link to that photo of the blind squirrel attacking that nut, Rush Newt? I keep hearing that the blind squirrel found him but I know we need a photograph or video as evidence for the conned. :D

TBS

March 28th, 2013
6:13 pm

td

I recommend the couch because based on your giddiness before the ACA ruling and election last year, you didn’t have one and you hit the ground hard when you fainted……….

Jay

March 28th, 2013
6:14 pm

Pogo, your complaining notwithstanding, taxes are lower for Americans in every bracket than at almost any point in the last 50 years. You are performing like a circus animal, repeating what you’ve been taught, rather than looking at the facts.

TBS

March 28th, 2013
6:16 pm

” repeating what you’ve been taught, rather than looking at the facts.”

Surprising enough, some do it willfully and cheerfully.

Cherokee

March 28th, 2013
6:17 pm

I wonder, td, when you will point out the sins of the quadrupally – if that’s a word! – married and divorced drug abuser Mr. Limbaugh?

Unknown Comic

March 28th, 2013
6:17 pm

“Newt Gingrich is so pro-marriage, he can’t stop doing it. He is so morally upright, that he’s only had sex after he was married. Just not always to the woman he was married to.” —Stephen Colbert

“Newt Gingrich wants to repeal child labor laws. Ladies and gentlemen, this is the man that we need to lead us into the 18th century.” –David Letterman

“Newt Gingrich says he wants to get rid of Social Security. Who is more qualified to give this country financial advice than a guy who ran up a half-million dollar bill at Tiffany?” –David Letterman

JohnnyReb

March 28th, 2013
6:18 pm

Come on, Jay. Is this the best you can do? Unused topics on which to disparage Republicans must be running low.

You can gather more by listening to Rush. He’s usually in front of legacy media.

JamVet

March 28th, 2013
6:22 pm

Thanks for that great info, Mary E! I’m going to plan a trip to go see that Jefferson exhibit! (I’ll come back with all sorts of info to enrage our gub’mint haters!)

So is the Speaker SO stupid that he thought he would not get caught pulling off an eighth grade stunt like that?

But no worries or fall out, he knows his base could care less that he is craven and dishonest.

To wit, six Republicans have weighed in so far and predictably, zero have dared broach the name of John Boehner.

Honor amongst intellectually-dishonest thieves…

Dumb and Dumber

March 28th, 2013
6:24 pm

Child, please. The federal government in the 1840’s wasn’t even 1/100 of 1% a portion of the economy/GDP as it is today. That comparison is beyond laughable. What did the federal government do in the 1840s, it financed wars. That’s about it. Sure as heck wasn’t 20+% of the economy (federal only, gulp) as it is today.
Again, you want a balanced budget and no cuts in spending, raise the taxes on every single thing, every dollar you make, everything you buy (oh yeah, need a federal sales tax) by 1/3 and we’ll get there.

Do that and there won’t be a need for a press in this country as no one would have 50c to pay for the paper, who could afford to run an ad in it, etc.?

Think old Honest Abe might have thought we have a bit of a spending problem? It’s what separates smart people like him from idiots like Nancy Pelosi….

Finn McCool (the system isn't broken; it's fixed)

March 28th, 2013
6:26 pm

I came home to the wife playing The White lbum and askd her if she knew the song Dear Doctor and she quoted me most of the song.

I think the Stones need to publish a country album of all their great countrified hits including:
1) All down the Line
2) Dead Flowers
3) Dear Doctor
4) Jigsaw Puzzle
5) Salt of the Earth
6) Far away Eyes
7) Wild Horses
8) Sweet Virginia
9) No Expectations
10) Let It Bleed
11) Midnight Rambler
12) It’s All Over Now
13) Waiting On A Friend

That’s enough for an album, right?

Mary Elizabeth

March 28th, 2013
6:27 pm

You’re most welcome, JamVet. My best to you . . .

Welcome to the Occupation

March 28th, 2013
6:27 pm

td: “And when the state of Georgia votes to accept Gay marriage then I will have to accept it. I will still call homosexual acts a sin.”

There are many today who still view divorce as a sin, yet it’s sanctioned by the state.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 28th, 2013
6:28 pm

Well, I swear, a good man like the Boner points out how the Constitution says we need a Balanced Budget and along comes people wanting to throw in stuff like Abe Lincoln wanting a tax on the Job Creators! Never mind that taxes is evil—evil, I tell you. I bet if you dug real deep into Honest Abe’s writing you’d find something about how much he regretted getting rid of the kind institution of Slavery. And that’s how Those People got turned loose on the world. With the result you can’t hardly find anybody that will work for peanuts and do stuff you don’t want to do.

I don’t know about you but I hope the Boner keeps right on shining the Orange Light of Truth on us.

Have a good night everybody.

Finn McCool (the system isn't broken; it's fixed)

March 28th, 2013
6:28 pm

Beggars Banquet is by far their most self-written bluesy/country album?
I think so.

indigo

March 28th, 2013
6:28 pm

Aquagirl – 5:44

It isn’t the House Republicans that “are so stupid they’ll swallow anything”.

It’s the majority of the Republican electorate who, for the most part, have double digit IQ’s and will gladly believe anything Boehner says.

Jackie

March 28th, 2013
6:32 pm

The so-called conservatives are having a difficult time in trying to win the prize as to tells the biggest whopper.

Bring on Michelle Maulkin, Louie Gohmert, Michelle Bachman, Glen Beck, Alan West, Herman Cain; and the list goes on and on and on.

Finn McCool (the system isn't broken; it's fixed)

March 28th, 2013
6:32 pm

Ok, Patriots, which one of the founding fathers screwed the most of his own slaves?

h/t Showtime’s Shameless

Aquagirl

March 28th, 2013
6:36 pm

It’s the majority of the Republican electorate who, for the most part, have double digit IQ’s and will gladly believe anything Boehner says.

Frankly I’m disappointed Luke Johnson spoke up before Boehner’s fellow idjits worked it into their talky points and re-blabbered it repeatedly. Thanks a lot Mr. Johnson, you ruined a perfectly good snipe hunt.

liberal hack

March 28th, 2013
6:43 pm

Jay, you must hate me! I was first on your last blog and I wasn’t congratulated! I’m hurt!

now to your current article, and your reply to pogo,

Our tax rates may be lower than they have ever been in 50 years but is our dollar even close in it’s current value than it was 50 years ago. Saying that, if tax rates when up with inflation we would not have a middle class and we would have even more working poor individuals and families in this country. When I made 30000 in 2007 it was good enough to support my family and we were pretty close to middle class, today my wife and I combined income is 30000 and I don’t even know how we are making it.

I still honestly believe that if we lower rates, eliminate all deductions except a personal deduction and possibly retain the child tax credit, more revenue would flow into the federal coffers.

But I’ve always argued we spend way to much as a nation, especially on stuff we don’t have any business spending anything on.

Jay

March 28th, 2013
6:48 pm

“Unused topics on which to disparage Republicans must be running low.”

Oh, you poor deluded soul.

JamVet

March 28th, 2013
6:49 pm

Lincoln was a giant.

For any of today’s GOP leaders to even mention that man’s name is a nauseating farce.

Look no further then what Ben Carson did to one of the Great Emancipator’s quotes in his CPAC speech.

Embarrassing…

Brosephus™

March 28th, 2013
6:49 pm

This bears repeating….

jconservative
March 28th, 2013
5:43 pm

In the spring of 1981 the President and the Congress, with the permission of a large majority of American voters, decided that government could reduce its revenue, increase its spending and the huge $950 Billion national debt would soon disappear.

$16 Trillion dollars of Debt later all of the parties listed above still Believe…….!

Tom Middleton

March 28th, 2013
6:51 pm

Why what a big surprise, John “Happy Hour” Boehner seeing only what it is he wants to see!

F. Sinkwich

March 28th, 2013
6:52 pm

1843? Really?

Did the Top 10% of wage earners back then pay 70% of the income taxes back then like they do now?

No income taxes back then. How desperate must lib ilks be to have to dredge up out of context quotes to somehow justify their war on success?

We ponder.

Brosephus™

March 28th, 2013
6:57 pm

Come on, Jay. Is this the best you can do? Unused topics on which to disparage Republicans must be running low.

Well, Jay hasn’t touched guns in a while, and I’m surprised he didn’t gut, filet, and grill one of the gun nut talking points here today in light of the information released in the Newtown shooting…

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/national/newtown-search-warrant-items/?hpid=z2

List: Items found in Adam Lanza’s home

Police recovered 165 items from Adam and Nancy Lanza’s home. Items listed below are as reported in the search warrants. Read the related article or see redacted search warrants.

[...]

Documents

Documents included gun-ownership manuals, the book “Born On a Blue Day: Inside the Extraordinary Mind of an Autistic Savant,” the book “NRA Guide to the Basics of Pistol Shooting” and separate NRA certificates naming Nancy and Adam Lanza. The NRA denies any connection between the Lanzas and the organization.

Of course the NRA is denying any connection because their membership is comprised of “good gun owners” who never do bad things.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
7:00 pm

td: I will still call homosexual acts a sin.

I will still call YOUR lying and YOU bearing false witness against me repeatedly a sin.

Jay

March 28th, 2013
7:01 pm

“Did the Top 10% of wage earners back then pay 70% of the income taxes back then like they do now?

Why do you limit that to income taxes, Sink? Don’t other taxes count just as much? Payroll taxes, gasoline taxes, excise taxes…. Don’t they count?

Maybe it’s because that 10 percent you’re so worried for actually collects 42 percent of all income, and pays 50 percent of all federal taxes. Put that way — the fair and honest way — the disparity all but disappears.

Which of course explains why you try to define the issue so narrowly.

And by the way, it wasn’t liberals who drudged up the quotes from 1843. Boehner did. We just put them into context, just as I put your own comments into context.

Finn McCool (the system isn't broken; it's fixed)

March 28th, 2013
7:01 pm

Remember, we are all one second away from a major debilitating “accident” and then we/our families/our loved ones lose everything on medical bills.

You think it wont happen to you?

Your son or daughter is driving home today and all of a sudden an idiot/drunk driver…..
Now we have medical bills piling up at $6,000 a day. WTF? I can’t leave her/him!

Then the bills start showing up in the mail…..

You want to see, in person, how fast a personal security blanket can get wiped out? You think you got alot? You best buy some more insurance.

People NEVER see it hit them. Blindside. Poof – life has changed.

and then people start asking, “why can’t we have such decent medical care that me or my family can get good service – not perfect – but good – without me losing everything?

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
7:02 pm

Boehner wirutes: The book Congressman Lincoln by Chris DeRose, which I recently read……..

I don’t believe him. I doubt very seriously he read teh book. I’ll bet he hasn’t read a book in t least 30 years. I’ll bet he HEARD that quote from either Rush or Fox though…………

F. Sinkwich

March 28th, 2013
7:03 pm

“Of course the NRA is denying any connection because their membership is comprised of “good gun owners” who never do bad things.”

Not stated as a cloudy mushroom gun intentionally but as a smokey fact. **

** KammieSpammie.

Teacher

March 28th, 2013
7:04 pm

I surprised he had time to worry about taxes with all those vampires he killed. I can’t believe I watched that movie, I was high on DayQuil and it was still awful.

Thomas

March 28th, 2013
7:05 pm

On one side tax more and confiscate based on the rationale that “you only got to where you are because you lied, cheated, and stole” off the back of others.

On the other side “look at my excel spreadsheets- everyone should pay the same tax”

13 years of gross mismanagement of a great country.

Jay

March 28th, 2013
7:07 pm

Actually, Bro, I was going to write on that at some point, maybe tomorrow. But to be honest, I don’t think it’s fair to attack the NRA by association in that tragedy and for that reason don’t plan to mention that aspect of it. I’m more struck by the fact that the kid fired 150-plus rounds in less than five minutes, apparently all from one weapon.

A society that allows that much destructive firepower in untrained, untested civilian hands has gone a little nutso.

There’s plenty of better-grounded reasons to criticize the NRA.

F. Sinkwich

March 28th, 2013
7:08 pm

Well, Jay, how much did the “wealthy” pay in total taxes back then? We need some context here. If the top 10% of earners back then only paid 5% of the taxes, then we have something to discuss.

But absent some data, all you have is emotion to argue.

Jay

March 28th, 2013
7:10 pm

“On one side tax more and confiscate based on the rationale ….”

Your basic premise is wrong, Thomas. We tax less, not more. And since your premise is wrong, all that flows from it is equally wrong.

Try responding on a factual rather than mythological basis. You might get farther.

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
7:11 pm

“There’s plenty of better-grounded reasons to criticize the NRA.”

They have records of who they issue certificates too. You can bet that HOURS after they knew his name thye knew they issued him a certificate. Them lying about it is enough to mention them. Them issuing the certificate is meaningless. Them LYING ABOUT IT speaks volumes.

JamVet

March 28th, 2013
7:14 pm

These C.S.A. clowns never did have much use for Lincoln anyway…

getalife

March 28th, 2013
7:14 pm

The speaker spent the money and now crying about it .

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 28th, 2013
7:14 pm

And by the way, it wasn’t liberals who drudged up the quotes from 1843. Boehner did.

Boehner is a squish Rino in 3…2…1….

Brosephus™

March 28th, 2013
7:15 pm

Jay

I’m not attacking just the NRA. I direct that more towards the water carriers who infer that tnose who are NRA members are all perfectly fine with a gun in their hands. Things are not that cut and dry, and people who try to infer such things should have that slapped out of them.

I’ve been reading up on that, and I’ll probably jump in as much as I can when you post your view on that.

liberal hack

March 28th, 2013
7:16 pm

Kamchak, ask Welcome the Occupation and he’d probably tell you Obama is a squish Rino.. :)

Jay

March 28th, 2013
7:16 pm

Did they lie about it, Fred? I haven’t seen that.

I also wouldn’t be surprised if they have no database on such things. I probably have a certificate from an NRA hunting-safety course I took once, but I’d be shocked if they had a record of it.

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
7:19 pm

Jay; You took your hunter safety back in 1829. This kid was recent, since the computer age. You can guarantee they had him in the data base to solicit donations and further subscriptions.

Of course you’ll never prove it now, he’s been PURGED.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 28th, 2013
7:21 pm

USA Patriot

March 28th, 2013
7:24 pm

“A society that allows that much destructive firepower in untrained, untested civilian hands has gone a little nutso.”

Yep, it’s the fault of society that some fu$ked up kid got ahold of his mother’s gun and did something as horrendous as Newtown. Nope, parents had no responsibility, family (or lack thereof) had no responsibility, it is the fault of society.

Last I knew, I (we), as parents, are responsible for laying the foundation for our kids (right /wrong, freedom to an adolescent is less freedom until they can prove they know the difference). I don’t remember any village raising our kids (outside of our crazy family village).

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
7:25 pm

Is that John Adams mini series worth watching? They are showing it now that Comcast is doing free PPV for a lot of shows until April 1………

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
7:26 pm

I don’t remember any village raising our kids

Did you have insane children?

F. Sinkwich

March 28th, 2013
7:29 pm

“Is that John Adams mini series worth watching?”

Not for you, Freddie. It’s about one of those old white guy people back in the day which lib ilks find so objectionable.

USA Patriot

March 28th, 2013
7:29 pm

“Did you have insane children?”

Not that I know of, but the night’s still early.

On a lighter note Fred, we have two daughters, are they ever insane?

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
7:31 pm

Not for you, Freddie. It’s about one of those old white guy people back in the day which lib ilks find so objectionable.

I’ve forgotten more history than you ever knew Stinkie. And the fact you use your talkradio FOXBOT lie “liberal ilk” to describe me also means I’ve crapped out more brains than you ever had.

But thanks. If you watched it it would have to be pretty simplistic. I didn’t realize it was a cartoon.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 28th, 2013
7:32 pm

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
7:33 pm

On a lighter note Fred, we have two daughters, are they ever insane sane?

There I fixed your typo and the answer is probably not. I have one and she is as crazy as hell…….. and she isn’t even hormonal yet, I mean a teenager…….. I shudder at the thought of two………. I envy Brocephus not at all lol.

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
7:35 pm

How come Galloway gets two shout outs from Charles Pierce…

Cause he’s a brown noser?

LOL later. I’m going to either watch some b-ball, John Adams, or go to bed.

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 28th, 2013
7:35 pm

I don’t think it’s fair to attack the NRA by association in that tragedy and for that reason don’t plan to mention that aspect of it.

Props to you Mr. Bookman.

I’m more struck by the fact that the kid fired 150-plus rounds in less than five minutes, apparently all from one weapon.

Wouldn’t have made any difference. If the Bushmaster had not been available he would have taken the 12 ga he left in the car and done his awful business.

A society that allows that much destructive firepower in untrained, untested civilian hands has gone a little nutso.

A society that allows a person to go to an auto showroom and buy a car that will go 160 mph has gone a little nutso, also.

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
7:40 pm

Wow godless heathen: Refresh my memory. When was the last time 20+ children were killed by someone in a car going 160+ mph, I can’t seem to recall that one……..

F. Sinkwich

March 28th, 2013
7:40 pm

“But thanks. If you watched it it would have to be pretty simplistic.”

You’re welcome.

You’re silly though, Freddie. I frequently watch MIT professors discuss quantum physics and such. Does my viewership render their presentations “simplistic?” I think not.

I recommend you stick with your Michael Moore VHS tapes for stimulation. Perhaps you could mix in some Jim Carey tapes for intellectual variety.

Brosephus™

March 28th, 2013
7:42 pm

I don’t remember any village raising our kids (outside of our crazy family village).

I can’t say the same. My family’s well known in my hometown, and I couldn’t do anything without the news beating me home after I had done it. My current neighborhood actually works like that too. The kids were acting up, so every parent in the neighborhood got together and dished out collective punishment to stop the crap that was going on. There haven’t been noticable problems since then.

JamVet

March 28th, 2013
7:43 pm

Adams, like Jefferson, was one of the first to advocate that we the people are the sovereigns in this country. The only sovereigns.

Not the monied interests, not the churches, the people.

He also asserted that we sovereigns have unalienable rights that cannot be voted away by a majority of voters. His philosophy centered on limiting corruption and greed.

There must be a positive Passion for the public good, the public Interest, Honor, Power, and Glory, established in the Minds of the People, or there can be no Republican Government, nor any real Liberty. And this public Passion must be Superior to all private Passions. Men must be ready, they must pride themselves, and be happy to sacrifice their private Pleasures, Passions, and Interests, nay their private Friendships and dearest connections, when they Stand in Competition with the Rights of society. ~John Adams, 1776

He was the anti-modern day Republican…