GOP should pray it loses gay-marriage decision

Speaking in purely political terms, the best thing the Supreme Court could do for the future of the Republican Party is issue a sweeping ruling that gay marriage is a constitutionally protected right. By doing so, it would pretty much gut the issue as a point of political contention.

The worst thing the court could do to the GOP — again, politically speaking — is duck the issue and leave it for politicians to wrangle over, which is the outcome that most observers now predict.

Here’s why:

Last week, Mike Huckabee was asked if the GOP could ever endorse gay marriage.

“They might,” Huckabee responded. “And if they do, they’re going to lose a large part of their base because evangelicals will take a walk.”

He’s probably right. As the latest Pew poll reports, 75 percent of white evangelicals oppose gay marriage. As Tony Perkins, head of the Family Research Council, warned recently:

“If the RNC abandons marriage, evangelicals will either sit the elections out completely or move to create a third party. Either option puts Republicans on the path to a permanent minority.”

On the other hand, though, there’s this, also from the Pew poll:

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Seventy percent of those 32 and younger support gay marriage. A similar poll by the Washington Post found that 52 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents under 50 years of age support gay marriage.

So as a Republican leader, you’re trapped between a rock and a hard place. You’re caught between Scylla and Charybdis, between the devil and the deep blue sea. You’re damned if you do and …. well you get the point. The longer you stay where you are, the greater the damage to your party’s future. But if you try to reposition yourself, you alienate a good portion of the current GOP coalition.

You could, I suppose, just keep your head down and your mouth shut and hope nobody notices. In fact, as NPR reports:

“Those defending (the Defense of Marriage Act) have been strangely unwilling to make their arguments outside of the court. House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, declined to be interviewed for this article, as did (lead attorney Paul) Clement and leading House members who voted for the law. Even Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, who filed a friend of the court brief supporting DOMA, was unavailable for an interview.”

That silence is even more telling when you consider that Boehner and his fellow House Republicans are spending millions of taxpayer dollars to finance their legal effort to salvage DOMA before the Supreme Court. Even when Boehner does address the issue, as he reluctantly did last week, he does so dispassionately, preferring to cast it in strictly legal terms:

“In our system of government, the administration doesn’t get to decide what’s constitutional. The Supreme Court does. Our financing the lawsuit was to make sure that the proper forum was used to make sure that we know what’s constitutional and what isn’t.”

There’s a certain karma to all of this. For years, Republicans have highlighted this issue to milk as much political advantage from it as possible. In 2004, for example, they pushed an amendment to the Georgia constitution banning gay marriage in the state, as if they were fending off hordes of rainbow-flag-waving activists. It was a populist act of defiance, akin to the 1956 decision by Georgia legislators to add the Confederate battle emblem to the state flag as a protest against desegregation.

And it will prove just as effective in the long run.

– Jay Bookman

1,154 comments Add your comment

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

March 27th, 2013
2:03 pm

Hear Hear

Well said.

JohnnyReb

March 27th, 2013
2:06 pm

Jay, you write as if the world would end and pigs fly if you are wrong about gay marriage affect on society.

You also ignore the reports of a majority of blacks being oppossed to gay marriage. I suppose that won’t have an effect on the Dem party.

Lastly, you walk lock-step with the Progressive movement that throws out polling results ignoring the only poll that counts, the ballot box.

Steve

March 27th, 2013
2:06 pm

Why would anyone want to deny someone equal rights in the United States of America?

Steve

March 27th, 2013
2:07 pm

Blacks Evolving on Gay Marriage

As times passes, larger numbers of Americans support gay marriage. Blacks are no exception. A Wall Street Journal poll about blacks’ views on same-sex marriage found that in 2009 just 32 percent of blacks supported same-sex marriage. In March 2012, 50 percent of blacks backed gay marriage. A Pew Research Center poll released in April 2012 offered even more insight into blacks’ opinions on same-sex marriage. It measured views on gay marriage in three presidential election years: 2004, 2008 and 2012. In 2004, 67 percent of blacks opposed gay marriage. That number dropped to 63 percent in 2008 and to 49 percent in 2012. Given that 43 percent of whites opposed same-sex marriage in 2012, blacks can’t be said to be extremely behind the times in terms of marriage equality.

JohnnyReb

March 27th, 2013
2:08 pm

Steve – because gay marriage is not a right, that’s what all this is about. The Left wants it to be a Right.

Normal, plain and simple...

March 27th, 2013
2:09 pm

“Last week, Mike Huckabee was asked if the GOP could ever endorse gay marriage.

“They might,” Huckabee responded. “And if they do, they’re going to lose a large part of their base because evangelicals will take a walk.”

This is why religions of all stripes are the bane of an enlightened society. They just can’t keep their tripe to themselves and let the rest of us live and love as we see fit. God save us from religions!
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And speaking of religions, did you see that the Westboro Baptist Church is going to picket the Final Four? Give it a break, people.

Steve

March 27th, 2013
2:09 pm

Marriage is a right, whether you are gay/straight/black/white, from mars, whatever.

JohnnyReb

March 27th, 2013
2:11 pm

Normal – the whole of civilization knowing right from wrong is based in religion. Thinking it should be cast aside is the ultimate arrogance and pathway to destruction.

Normal, plain and simple...

March 27th, 2013
2:12 pm

Johnn yReb,
Marriage is a fundamental right that cannot be denied because of race, or sexual orientation.

Gay people cannot be discriminated against…PERIOD!

stands for decibels

March 27th, 2013
2:13 pm

Those defending (the Defense of Marriage Act) have been strangely unwilling to make their arguments outside of the court.

Heh heh heh. Anyone here think the unnamed NPR reporter really thinks this is so “strange?” If they’re on the ground in DC, they surely have sussed out what Jay’s explained here from his perch in Georgia, about the political dynamics.

Which, to be honest, I hadn’t quite teased out myself, but I think this makes perfect sense. Kicking this “back to the States” for awhile–which the court may well do–is going to make this an issue that a lot of GOPers will wish would just go away.

Steve

March 27th, 2013
2:13 pm

LOL – right from wrong based on religion? How many religions used to say things like, “Stone your wife to death if she looks at another man?” etc? Please…

JohnnyReb

March 27th, 2013
2:13 pm

Normal – my point to you was on religion. You ignored it and jumped to gay rights.

HDB

March 27th, 2013
2:14 pm

What has me in hysterics is how the GOP persists in desiring “law-abiding citizens”…but when the law doesn’t fit their ideology, they do everything to marginalize it…be it abortion rights….or marriage rights! Republicans are learning that the 14th Amendment covers EVERYONE…not just straights…..and a marriage performed in one state is to be recognized in ALL 50!! Gay marriage is already de facto LEGAL!!

Deal with it, GOP……..

ATL Tiger

March 27th, 2013
2:14 pm

As I posted a similar opinion yesterday,

Marriage Equality: is it for the label of ‘marriage’? the tax code benefits? both?

If either or both are the main desire for marriage equality then why not civil unions for all? The government could then simply substitute CIVIL UNION for MARRIAGE in all matters and ‘marriage’ strictly speaking then, could be left to the churches. If couples who are entered in civil unions want to be additionally ‘married,’ that would then be between them and their religious institution. This is essentially what everyone who gets married in a religious atmosphere with a religious officiant does already, there wouldn’t be any need for the government to be involved.

Granny Godzilla

March 27th, 2013
2:14 pm

JohnnyReb

March 27th, 2013
2:11 pm
Normal – the whole of civilization knowing right from wrong is based in religion. Thinking it should be cast aside is the ultimate arrogance and pathway to destruction.
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Unless of course it’s Muslim right?

Steve-USA (I don't have all the answer's, I don't even know all the questions)

March 27th, 2013
2:15 pm

I am all about the love. If Gays want to marry and build a life together it should be perfectly legal to do so.

Normal, plain and simple...

March 27th, 2013
2:15 pm

JR,
” the whole of civilization knowing right from wrong is based in religion.”

BS! They sure aren’t preaching it now. I would rather do the right thing because I want to and not just because I’m afraid that if I don’t I’ll go to Hell. That, sir, is fear mongering. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it now…You don’t need religions to worship God.

Granny Godzilla

March 27th, 2013
2:16 pm

Normal

Did you see a gay rights group bought a hose across the street from Westboro Hate Church and pained it to look like the gay flag!

JohnnyReb

March 27th, 2013
2:16 pm

I will tolerate the whining from the Left on gay rights, marriage, etc. but my hope is that regardless of SCOTUS decisions the media and entertainment will move away from the subject. All the “gay” written into entertainment programs to support this current political push is growing tiresome.

Granny Godzilla

March 27th, 2013
2:16 pm

house not hose….crud.

Normal, plain and simple...

March 27th, 2013
2:17 pm

JR,
Religion should have no say in what is a Constitutional right.

Normal, plain and simple...

March 27th, 2013
2:18 pm

Granny Godzilla

March 27th, 2013
2:16 pm

No I didn’t…How divine is that?

JohnnyReb

March 27th, 2013
2:18 pm

Normal – you were not born knowing right from wrong. It was taught to you, and as sure as your next breath it was based in religion either current at that time in your family or back in your family tree.

Matti

March 27th, 2013
2:19 pm

JohnnyReb @ 2:11,

Nuh-uh.

JohnnyReb

March 27th, 2013
2:20 pm

Normal – you can’t get away from religion as to right and wrong, therefore you can’t get away from religion as to Constitutionality.

stands for decibels

March 27th, 2013
2:21 pm

J-Reb, given that you (bravely, I thought) were willing to stand up and back the right of gays to fight to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution, openly in the military, months back on these comments pages–I find it hard to believe you really have your heart in this one.

So, perhaps, you don’t want your church to bless gay marriages? Fine. (They will one day, I suspect, even if we’re talking sometime in the 22nd century.)

But what earthly good does it do to prevent those in committed relationships to make “honest men/women” of their significant others, so to speak, via legal marriage? If not for those guys and gals, how about for the kids many of them are trying to raise?

Not picking on you specifically—you obviously have company here—but I know you’re no homophobe, and just merely ask, respectfully, that you re-consider your position.

givememyfairshare

March 27th, 2013
2:21 pm

Liberalism is a religion…

Granny Godzilla

March 27th, 2013
2:22 pm

JohnnyReb

March 27th, 2013
2:18 pm
Normal – you were not born knowing right from wrong. It was taught to you, and as sure as your next breath it was based in religion either current at that time in your family or back in your family tree.
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EThics do not require religion.

Normal, plain and simple...

March 27th, 2013
2:23 pm

JohnnyReb

March 27th, 2013
2:18 pm

BS again. We are all born knowing what is right and good. That is God’s gift to humans who believe in just Him if you will just listen to His whispers. Religions teach an agenda of intolerance and hate. I was not brought up that way and neither are my children and grand children. We believe that a relationship with just God is more than enough.

willie lynch

March 27th, 2013
2:23 pm

You’d think Lindsay Graham would throw his support behind this legislation so he could come out already.

Normal, plain and simple...

March 27th, 2013
2:25 pm

My advice to you JR, is to believe what you want to believe, but keep it to yourself. We are all better off that way.

DannyX

March 27th, 2013
2:26 pm

“All the “gay” written into entertainment programs to support this current political push is growing tiresome.”

JohnnyReb, there are about 20 over-the-air religious networks out there, they probably have the type of entertainment you are looking for. You certainly have no entitlement to the mainstream media. Turn the channel, its that easy.

JohnnyReb

March 27th, 2013
2:26 pm

Stands – I’m actually OK with gay marriage if it is approved by the people. I’m not OK with the Left turning to SCOTUS, as they always do, to go around the people.

The best outcome here is to let gay marriage happen in the states who have approved it. Other states can then allow it if the outcome is satisfactory.

What I’m most against is the propaganda war being waged by the Left to get gay marriage approved while ignoring the wishes of the majority of voters.

Brosephus™

March 27th, 2013
2:26 pm

I think the “polled” percentage of Blacks opposed to same-sex marriage was around 48%, and if that’s still the case, that is not a majority. Hell, no pollster has asked for my opinion.

arnold

March 27th, 2013
2:27 pm

Morals have nothing to do with religion. Right from wrong has nothing to do with religion. If you are Jewish, there is no hell.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 27th, 2013
2:27 pm

“Speaking in purely political terms, the best thing the Supreme Court could do for the future of the Republican Party is issue a sweeping ruling that gay marriage is a constitutionally protected right.”

Speaking in purely spiritual terms, the best thing the Supreme Court could do for the future of this
country is issue a sweeping ruling that gay marriage in NOT a constitutionally protected right.

DannyX

March 27th, 2013
2:29 pm

“I will tolerate the whining from the Left on gay rights, marriage, etc. but my hope is that regardless of SCOTUS decisions the media and entertainment will move away from the subject.”

JohnnyReb, times have changed. It is the far right whining about gay rights.

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

March 27th, 2013
2:30 pm

Normal – the whole of civilization knowing right from wrong is based in religion. Thinking it should be cast aside is the ultimate arrogance and pathway to destruction.

Laughable.

arnold

March 27th, 2013
2:30 pm

JohnnyReb, the Constitution protects the minority from the tyranny of the majority.

JohnnyReb

March 27th, 2013
2:30 pm

No DannyX – the gay written into entertainment programs as of late is propaganda to support this current political movement. Too bad you apparently think that’s OK.

Fred ™

March 27th, 2013
2:30 pm

What I’m most against is the propaganda war being waged by the Left to get gay marriage approved while ignoring the wishes of the majority of voters.

Oh the irony of THAT statement.

It’s you brain dead FOXBOTS who ignore the will of the majority of the voters. You 47perceters LOST.

Stevie Ray

March 27th, 2013
2:30 pm

JAY

Lets consider the GOP stance here…they don’t want gay marriage because they feel they will lose christian factions..like who else are these folks going to vote for? I guess they can stay at home but not all of them would pout..

It’s kinda like the kids coming out of liberal leaning colleges. They come out desperately seeking independence but coming out a liberals, they also opt for government dependence..

The GOP are complete cowards on this issue..as well as womens rights….Seems to me we could easily fix the animosity toward us in the middle east…get those angry men sex….I bet the same is true for GOP..

JohnnyReb

March 27th, 2013
2:31 pm

I think I will go for now, do some work. I don’t want to be logged in when lightning strikes !

stands for decibels

March 27th, 2013
2:32 pm

You folks do realize that there are religious organizations backing marriage equality, yes? Like these folks. And these folks.

Rubberman

March 27th, 2013
2:33 pm

It’s surprising to me that Wingfield has yet to post something about this homosexual hullabaloo. After all, Wingfield and his Merry Band of Regressive Dimwits have the right mix of intolerance and hatred that defending DOMA would appear to be right up their anu…er…alley.

Erwin's cat

March 27th, 2013
2:34 pm

“They might,” Huckabee responded. “And if they do, they’re going to lose a large part of their base because evangelicals will take a walk.”

to where?…they aren’t going to suddenly embrace the Dems

clem

March 27th, 2013
2:34 pm

atl tiger, you make too much sense. repubs, the religious right, would still oppose it as they think everyone is supposed to follow their beliefs which are not provable.

willie lynch

March 27th, 2013
2:35 pm

As the older portion of the population fades away this will become a non issue. Time dictates the agenda.

DannyX

March 27th, 2013
2:35 pm

“What I’m most against is the propaganda war being waged by the Left to get gay marriage approved while ignoring the wishes of the majority of voters.”

The propaganda war scares you doesn’t it? The propaganda war scored a series of huge victories last November. Maryland, Maine and Washington.

The propaganda war being waged by Republicans is weak. The courts have destroyed the anti-gay marriage argument. Of course you want to silence the marriage equality side, they’re kicking your butts.

Doggone/GA

March 27th, 2013
2:35 pm

“The Left wants it to be a Right”

Not all of us. I think it’s a mistake to frame it as a right. I just think it is Constitutionally legal. Not everything that is Constitutionally legal reaches the heights of being a right.

stands for decibels

March 27th, 2013
2:36 pm

Doggone/GA

March 27th, 2013
2:36 pm

“And speaking of religions, did you see that the Westboro Baptist Church is going to picket the Final Four? Give it a break, people”

Gotta get publicity somehow. They haven’t been getting much lately.

Peace

March 27th, 2013
2:36 pm

NPS: “Gay people cannot be discriminated against…PERIOD!”

What about age discrimination against heterosexuals and gays? In particular laws that mandate discrimination against older males that prefer young boys/girls, and females that prefer young girls/boys. And what about people who want several wives or husbands. These age discrimination laws were put in place by people who deemedbsame sex marriage illegal. If discrimination is wrong, it should not be made right on a selective basis. End all discrimination as it applies to individual preference and the right to pursue happiness.

JohnnyReb

March 27th, 2013
2:36 pm

arnold – the intent by the founding fathers in the Constitution was to protect the people from government.

Erwin's cat

March 27th, 2013
2:36 pm

Not everything that is Constitutionally legal reaches the heights of being a right.

true dat

JamVet

March 27th, 2013
2:36 pm

You also ignore the reports of a majority of blacks being oppossed (sic) to gay marriage.

Reb, I’ve got real bad news for you.

That is changing and quickly.

In fact, a recent poll shows that it already has.

Besides when did a Republican ever give a tinker’s damn what the Democratic Plantation blacks thought?

HDB

March 27th, 2013
2:37 pm

ATL Tiger
March 27th, 2013
2:14 pm

“If either or both are the main desire for marriage equality then why not civil unions for all? The government could then simply substitute CIVIL UNION for MARRIAGE in all matters and ‘marriage’ strictly speaking then, could be left to the churches”

Remember….marriage carries many benefits that civil unions do not….such as taxes, Social Security…rights of inheritance….. about 1138 issues!! If Constitutional law isn’t enough to advise people that gay marriage is de facto legal in all 50 states…..then CONTRACT law should show that marriage, being a contract, when entered in to in one state……is recognized in ALL 50 states…and TREATY law….in that a marriage entered into in a nation that the US recognizes is also a marriage recognized in the US……..

Note how many nations we recognize that also allow gay marriages…….

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 27th, 2013
2:27 pm

Scout….what about the EQUAL PROTECTION offered by the 14th Amendment?? Doesn’t that make marriage a constitutionally protected right???

Doggone/GA

March 27th, 2013
2:39 pm

“If either or both are the main desire for marriage equality then why not civil unions for all?”

Because…as has been posted around and about here MANY times…the existing laws would ALL have to be rewritten to grant the same rights and privileges that marriage ALREADY BESTOWS. It’s easier and cheaper just to give everyone EQUAL PROTECTION under the law and voila! Any married couple gets the existing rights and privileges without having to rewrite numerous laws in every state, and the nation.

Peadawg

March 27th, 2013
2:39 pm

“because gay marriage is not a right, that’s what all this is about”

Marriage is (should be) a right no matter if you’re straight, gay, inter-racial, whatever as long as it’s between 2 consenting adults.

TBS

March 27th, 2013
2:39 pm

“Gotta get publicity somehow. They haven’t been getting much lately.”

Thank goodness

Doggone/GA

March 27th, 2013
2:39 pm

“You don’t need religions to worship God.”

And you don’t need religions to know right from wrong either.

JamVet

March 27th, 2013
2:40 pm

…the intent by the founding fathers in the Constitution was to protect the people from government.

STUPID, STUPID, STUPID, STUPID, STUPID.

The Foundling Fathers intent in the Constitution was to form a government OF THE PEOPLE.

For gawd sakes man, read the preamble…

DannyX

March 27th, 2013
2:40 pm

“Too bad you apparently think that’s OK.”

I think its great, if you don’t like the “liberal” media don’t watch.

I’m sure Murdoch has the programming you are looking for on his Fox TV Network. Oh wait, they air “Family Guy”, not “Family Values Guy.” Lol, even your conservative media heroes don’t deliver for you..

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 27th, 2013
2:42 pm

1) “34% of doctors will leave profession within 10 years”

“If you’re thinking about getting out of the medical profession within the next decade, you’re not alone. Thirty-four percent of current physicians polled by healthcare staffing company Jackson Healthcare say they will leave the profession within 10 years.

The company surveyed more than 2,000 doctors to measure practice trends and attitudes. General practitioners most likely to give up medicine include family practitioners, general surgeons, emergency medicine physicians, and obstetricians/gynecologists.

Of the doctors surveyed, 16% said they would work part-time, retire, leave the profession, or consider getting out of medicine this year, and 55% of those who said so are younger than age 55.

Doctors saying they will leave the profession cited economic reasons (56%) and healthcare reform (51%) as the biggest culprits.”

http://medicaleconomics.modernmedicine.com/medical-economics/news/modernmedicine/modern-medicine-now-top-story/34-doctors-will-leave-profession

2) AAMC Report on the Inadequacy of the U.S. Physician Supply

(Translation: Not keeping up with population growth)

https://www.aamc.org/download/100598/data/

stands for decibels

March 27th, 2013
2:42 pm

to where?…they aren’t going to suddenly embrace the Dems

True that. However, you don’t win mid-terms with a bummed-out base more inclined to sit out an election than to go to the polls. I certainly think that’s what happened to Obama’s base during the 2010 election. Those folks didn’t suddenly pull for the Tea Party, they just didn’t bother to show up at all, and that was enough for Nancy to hand over the gavel to John in January.

Doggone/GA

March 27th, 2013
2:42 pm

“What about age discrimination against heterosexuals and gays? In particular laws that mandate discrimination against older males that prefer young boys/girls, and females that prefer young girls/boys”

AAAAAAND the slippery slope makes it’s expected appearance

Boris Badnoff

March 27th, 2013
2:43 pm

What many don’t realize is that the Gay Marriage debate is totally unimportant to most Americans and an immense bore. Most of us are worried about the economy, losing our health care, crime, educating our spawn, being hit by an asteroid, unleashed pit bulls, girl scouts that don’t understand that you don’t eat cookies, etc. Gay Marriage ranks well below on my list of things to worry about than they don’t make Hula Hoops for the excessively obese or why Bookman’s hairpiece appears to be migrating.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 27th, 2013
2:43 pm

HDB:

Not if the SCOTUS says it doesn’t.

moonbat betty

March 27th, 2013
2:44 pm

“Last week, Mike Huckabee was asked if the GOP could ever endorse gay marriage.”

“They might,” Huckabee responded. “And if they do, they’re going to lose a large part of their base because evangelicals will take a walk.”

So who are they going to vote for then?

If they are never going to vote again over this, so be it.

I would think it would be a very small percentage of voters.

On another note, I guess California has a high percentage of right wing evangelicals since they couldn’t pass it by popular vote..

This is not necessarily a GOP issue as much as the left tries to make it out to be.

Regnad Kcin

March 27th, 2013
2:44 pm

“Normal – the whole of civilization knowing right from wrong is based in religion. Thinking it should be cast aside is the ultimate arrogance and pathway to destruction’

“God said to Abraham, ‘kill me a son…’ ”

If you have to find morality in a book, there’s something wrong to begin with.

Peadawg

March 27th, 2013
2:45 pm

“This is not necessarily a GOP issue as much as the left tries to make it out to be.”

Don’t the left for the GOP making gay marriage part of their political platform.

Peadawg

March 27th, 2013
2:45 pm

Doggone/GA

March 27th, 2013
2:45 pm

“Gay Marriage ranks well below on my list of things to worry about ”

Maybe you’d worry more about it if, because your marriage was not recognized by the Fed, you had to pay an additional $360,000 in taxes when your legal partner died. As did the woman whose case was accepted by the Supreme Court in a challenge to DOMA.

ATL Tiger

March 27th, 2013
2:46 pm

HDB,

I covered contract law in my opinion yesterday. The government can define contract law, but shouldn’t even be involved in personal love. Why is marriage even in the tax code to begin with?

Now I understand that divorcing Gov and Marriage completely is something that probably isn’t going to take place because of how ingrained the two are in our society, which is why I posted what I did today. I think just by simply changing the federal designation of ‘married’ to ‘civil union’ (all the same benefits are kept the same), and then letting those with religious desires free to continue on to ‘marriage’ in their respective religious ceremonies.

Peadawg

March 27th, 2013
2:46 pm

“Gay Marriage ranks well below on my list of things to worry about ”

Amen. So legalize it so we can move on!

In the middle

March 27th, 2013
2:47 pm

I have a better idea. Why not outlaw marriage completely, just have lawyers draft cohabitation agreements that have renewal clauses.

Matti

March 27th, 2013
2:48 pm

“They might,” Huckabee responded. “And if they do, they’re going to lose a large part of their base because evangelicals will take a walk.”

A LONG one, I hope. Off a short *bleeping* pier. Good riddance “Reverend,” you hypocritical, misogynistic lying *bleep* of a snake-oil salesman!

Peace

March 27th, 2013
2:48 pm

Dog. AAAAAAND I believe you love a slippery slope.

Rebar

March 27th, 2013
2:49 pm

how about the “right” to life, liberty, and the pursuit of ………..

Matti

March 27th, 2013
2:49 pm

Yes. Yes, I do feel better now, thank you.
:lol:

Regnad Kcin

March 27th, 2013
2:50 pm

” I’m not OK with the Left turning to SCOTUS, as they always do”

Dang old constitution always gettin’ in the way of what’s right, huh, JReb?

Brosephus™

March 27th, 2013
2:50 pm

Escaped and Stevie Ray from downstairs:

I’m hoping that your back patting about Obama apologists wasn’t referring to me. If so, you may want to recalibrate your own ideologies. Read my response I left in reference to that. I don’t apologize for anybody other than me or my kids.

moonbat betty

March 27th, 2013
2:51 pm

“Don’t blame the left for the GOP making gay marriage part of their political platform.”

peadawg, I didn’t know it was part of the GOP platform.

Thanks for the info.

Doggone/GA

March 27th, 2013
2:51 pm

“I covered contract law in my opinion yesterday. The government can define contract law, but shouldn’t even be involved in personal love. Why is marriage even in the tax code to begin with?”

Because it is a legal contract. It defines the resolution of property and the care of any children in the event one or both partners dies. Check out the history of the Black Plague era…when the church was BEGGING people to get LEGALLY MARRIED because inheritance was so tangled up due to so many deaths and “remarriages”

TBS

March 27th, 2013
2:52 pm

“I would think it would be a very small percentage of voters.”

Studies vary on the percentage of gays in the population, but there probably are ample numbers to potentially swing close elections.

HDB

March 27th, 2013
2:52 pm

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 27th, 2013
2:43 pm

Even so, contract and treaty law would be enough to overturn DOMA…..

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 27th, 2013
2:53 pm

Well, I reckon it ain’t enough for us to elect a bunch of godly Conservatives to pass laws that keep us from getting gay-married. No, now we got to deal with 9 old f-rts too that can kinda veto the laws even if the President signs them. What this country needs is a good Conservative dictatorship. I mean, if 39 states already told you they want Richard and Jane to get married but not Bruce and Harold, how much more do you need?

This is so disgusting. They just won’t stop till me and the missus are lined up in front of a JP with a big hairy guy named Bubba and we’re all married to each other. We’re getting to be a Sodom & Gonorrhea, I tell you.

Peadawg

March 27th, 2013
2:53 pm

” I didn’t know it was part of the GOP platform.”

Page 10 – http://www.gop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/2012GOPPlatform.pdf

Aquagirl

March 27th, 2013
2:54 pm

Gay Marriage ranks well below on my list of things to worry about

That says plenty about your own self-centeredness and nothing about anyone else.

getalife

March 27th, 2013
2:54 pm

“Last week, Mike Huckabee was asked if the GOP could ever endorse gay marriage.

“They might,” Huckabee responded. “And if they do, they’re going to lose a large part of their base because evangelicals will take a walk.”

That would be a great thing for our country.

cons self deporting would be a greater thing for our country.

stands for decibels

March 27th, 2013
2:54 pm

I guess California has a high percentage of right wing evangelicals since they couldn’t pass it by popular vote.

I get your point, but Prop 8 wasn’t about making gay marriage legal per se. It was about enshrining hetero marriage as the only legal form. Bit of a difference.

Whatever

March 27th, 2013
2:55 pm

Marriage is, and should remain, a states rights issue. That’s one great thing about how we are setup. Each state can govern as it wishes in many of these areas.

I don’t really understand the Constitutionality of DOMA so I’m not sure how that will play out.

ATL Tiger

March 27th, 2013
2:56 pm

“Because it is a legal contract. It defines the resolution of property and the care of any children in the event one or both partners dies. Check out the history of the Black Plague era…when the church was BEGGING people to get LEGALLY MARRIED because inheritance was so tangled up due to so many deaths and “remarriages””

All of which can be kept the same simply by changing the federal designation from ‘married’ to ‘civil union’ for all.

Isn’t this what everyone wants? Same-sex marriage advocates want equality in the eyes of the government right? Traditional marriage advocates want ‘marriage’ kept as a union between man and women (mostly for religious reasons) right? Let the religious institutions define what ‘marriage’ is and who can be ‘married.’

Seperation of church and state right?

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

March 27th, 2013
2:57 pm

Marriage is, and should remain, a states rights issue. That’s one great thing about how we are setup. Each state can govern as it wishes in many of these areas.

Not really. People move from State to State all the time.

Some things have to be done at the Federal level.

JamVet

March 27th, 2013
2:57 pm

Doggone/GA

March 27th, 2013
2:57 pm

“Marriage is, and should remain, a states rights issue”

Nope, because the Consitituion requires ALL states to recognize legal contracts from ALL other states

stands for decibels

March 27th, 2013
2:57 pm

And as long as I am quoting chapter/verse on religious support for marriage equiality–from that Wiki page on Prop 8 I linked earlier:

All six Episcopal diocesan bishops in California jointly issued a statement opposing Proposition 8 on September 10, 2008.[99] Southern California’s largest collection of rabbis, the Board of Rabbis of Southern California, voted to oppose Proposition 8.[100] Other Jewish groups who opposed Proposition 8 include Jewish Mosaic,[101] the American Jewish Committee, Progressive Jewish Alliance, National Council of Jewish Women, and the Anti-Defamation League.[72] Los Angeles Jews were more opposed to Prop 8 than any other religious group or ethnic group in the city. Seventy-eight percent of surveyed Jewish Angelenos voted against the measure while only 8% supported the measure; the remainder declined to respond.[102] The legislative ministry of the Unitarian Universalists opposed Proposition 8, and organized phone banks toward defeating the measure.[103] They see opposition to the proposition as a civil rights and social justice issue and their actions against it as a continuation of their previous works in civil rights.

In addition, the California Council of Churches urged the “immediate removal of Proposition 8″ – saying that it infringes on the freedom of religion for churches who wish to bless same-sex unions.[104]

for what that’s worth.

ty webb

March 27th, 2013
2:58 pm

there is actually a really big opening for the libertarianish wing of the GOP to gain more power within the Party…the “huckabees” of the party are quickly losing their influence.

moonbat betty

March 27th, 2013
2:58 pm

Why can’t they allow a co-habitation contract and give it a cute name?

It seems to me the problem is semantics over what people believe “marriage” to mean.

Granny Godzilla

March 27th, 2013
2:58 pm

“I’m not OK with the Left turning to SCOTUS, as they always do”

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DUH, Who else should they turn to?