GOP should pray it loses gay-marriage decision

Speaking in purely political terms, the best thing the Supreme Court could do for the future of the Republican Party is issue a sweeping ruling that gay marriage is a constitutionally protected right. By doing so, it would pretty much gut the issue as a point of political contention.

The worst thing the court could do to the GOP — again, politically speaking — is duck the issue and leave it for politicians to wrangle over, which is the outcome that most observers now predict.

Here’s why:

Last week, Mike Huckabee was asked if the GOP could ever endorse gay marriage.

“They might,” Huckabee responded. “And if they do, they’re going to lose a large part of their base because evangelicals will take a walk.”

He’s probably right. As the latest Pew poll reports, 75 percent of white evangelicals oppose gay marriage. As Tony Perkins, head of the Family Research Council, warned recently:

“If the RNC abandons marriage, evangelicals will either sit the elections out completely or move to create a third party. Either option puts Republicans on the path to a permanent minority.”

On the other hand, though, there’s this, also from the Pew poll:

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Seventy percent of those 32 and younger support gay marriage. A similar poll by the Washington Post found that 52 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents under 50 years of age support gay marriage.

So as a Republican leader, you’re trapped between a rock and a hard place. You’re caught between Scylla and Charybdis, between the devil and the deep blue sea. You’re damned if you do and …. well you get the point. The longer you stay where you are, the greater the damage to your party’s future. But if you try to reposition yourself, you alienate a good portion of the current GOP coalition.

You could, I suppose, just keep your head down and your mouth shut and hope nobody notices. In fact, as NPR reports:

“Those defending (the Defense of Marriage Act) have been strangely unwilling to make their arguments outside of the court. House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, declined to be interviewed for this article, as did (lead attorney Paul) Clement and leading House members who voted for the law. Even Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, who filed a friend of the court brief supporting DOMA, was unavailable for an interview.”

That silence is even more telling when you consider that Boehner and his fellow House Republicans are spending millions of taxpayer dollars to finance their legal effort to salvage DOMA before the Supreme Court. Even when Boehner does address the issue, as he reluctantly did last week, he does so dispassionately, preferring to cast it in strictly legal terms:

“In our system of government, the administration doesn’t get to decide what’s constitutional. The Supreme Court does. Our financing the lawsuit was to make sure that the proper forum was used to make sure that we know what’s constitutional and what isn’t.”

There’s a certain karma to all of this. For years, Republicans have highlighted this issue to milk as much political advantage from it as possible. In 2004, for example, they pushed an amendment to the Georgia constitution banning gay marriage in the state, as if they were fending off hordes of rainbow-flag-waving activists. It was a populist act of defiance, akin to the 1956 decision by Georgia legislators to add the Confederate battle emblem to the state flag as a protest against desegregation.

And it will prove just as effective in the long run.

– Jay Bookman

1,154 comments Add your comment

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

March 27th, 2013
2:03 pm

Hear Hear

Well said.

JohnnyReb

March 27th, 2013
2:06 pm

Jay, you write as if the world would end and pigs fly if you are wrong about gay marriage affect on society.

You also ignore the reports of a majority of blacks being oppossed to gay marriage. I suppose that won’t have an effect on the Dem party.

Lastly, you walk lock-step with the Progressive movement that throws out polling results ignoring the only poll that counts, the ballot box.

Steve

March 27th, 2013
2:06 pm

Why would anyone want to deny someone equal rights in the United States of America?

Steve

March 27th, 2013
2:07 pm

Blacks Evolving on Gay Marriage

As times passes, larger numbers of Americans support gay marriage. Blacks are no exception. A Wall Street Journal poll about blacks’ views on same-sex marriage found that in 2009 just 32 percent of blacks supported same-sex marriage. In March 2012, 50 percent of blacks backed gay marriage. A Pew Research Center poll released in April 2012 offered even more insight into blacks’ opinions on same-sex marriage. It measured views on gay marriage in three presidential election years: 2004, 2008 and 2012. In 2004, 67 percent of blacks opposed gay marriage. That number dropped to 63 percent in 2008 and to 49 percent in 2012. Given that 43 percent of whites opposed same-sex marriage in 2012, blacks can’t be said to be extremely behind the times in terms of marriage equality.

JohnnyReb

March 27th, 2013
2:08 pm

Steve – because gay marriage is not a right, that’s what all this is about. The Left wants it to be a Right.

Normal, plain and simple...

March 27th, 2013
2:09 pm

“Last week, Mike Huckabee was asked if the GOP could ever endorse gay marriage.

“They might,” Huckabee responded. “And if they do, they’re going to lose a large part of their base because evangelicals will take a walk.”

This is why religions of all stripes are the bane of an enlightened society. They just can’t keep their tripe to themselves and let the rest of us live and love as we see fit. God save us from religions!
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And speaking of religions, did you see that the Westboro Baptist Church is going to picket the Final Four? Give it a break, people.

Steve

March 27th, 2013
2:09 pm

Marriage is a right, whether you are gay/straight/black/white, from mars, whatever.

JohnnyReb

March 27th, 2013
2:11 pm

Normal – the whole of civilization knowing right from wrong is based in religion. Thinking it should be cast aside is the ultimate arrogance and pathway to destruction.

Normal, plain and simple...

March 27th, 2013
2:12 pm

Johnn yReb,
Marriage is a fundamental right that cannot be denied because of race, or sexual orientation.

Gay people cannot be discriminated against…PERIOD!

stands for decibels

March 27th, 2013
2:13 pm

Those defending (the Defense of Marriage Act) have been strangely unwilling to make their arguments outside of the court.

Heh heh heh. Anyone here think the unnamed NPR reporter really thinks this is so “strange?” If they’re on the ground in DC, they surely have sussed out what Jay’s explained here from his perch in Georgia, about the political dynamics.

Which, to be honest, I hadn’t quite teased out myself, but I think this makes perfect sense. Kicking this “back to the States” for awhile–which the court may well do–is going to make this an issue that a lot of GOPers will wish would just go away.

Steve

March 27th, 2013
2:13 pm

LOL – right from wrong based on religion? How many religions used to say things like, “Stone your wife to death if she looks at another man?” etc? Please…

JohnnyReb

March 27th, 2013
2:13 pm

Normal – my point to you was on religion. You ignored it and jumped to gay rights.

HDB

March 27th, 2013
2:14 pm

What has me in hysterics is how the GOP persists in desiring “law-abiding citizens”…but when the law doesn’t fit their ideology, they do everything to marginalize it…be it abortion rights….or marriage rights! Republicans are learning that the 14th Amendment covers EVERYONE…not just straights…..and a marriage performed in one state is to be recognized in ALL 50!! Gay marriage is already de facto LEGAL!!

Deal with it, GOP……..

ATL Tiger

March 27th, 2013
2:14 pm

As I posted a similar opinion yesterday,

Marriage Equality: is it for the label of ‘marriage’? the tax code benefits? both?

If either or both are the main desire for marriage equality then why not civil unions for all? The government could then simply substitute CIVIL UNION for MARRIAGE in all matters and ‘marriage’ strictly speaking then, could be left to the churches. If couples who are entered in civil unions want to be additionally ‘married,’ that would then be between them and their religious institution. This is essentially what everyone who gets married in a religious atmosphere with a religious officiant does already, there wouldn’t be any need for the government to be involved.

Granny Godzilla

March 27th, 2013
2:14 pm

JohnnyReb

March 27th, 2013
2:11 pm
Normal – the whole of civilization knowing right from wrong is based in religion. Thinking it should be cast aside is the ultimate arrogance and pathway to destruction.
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Unless of course it’s Muslim right?

Steve-USA (I don't have all the answer's, I don't even know all the questions)

March 27th, 2013
2:15 pm

I am all about the love. If Gays want to marry and build a life together it should be perfectly legal to do so.

Normal, plain and simple...

March 27th, 2013
2:15 pm

JR,
” the whole of civilization knowing right from wrong is based in religion.”

BS! They sure aren’t preaching it now. I would rather do the right thing because I want to and not just because I’m afraid that if I don’t I’ll go to Hell. That, sir, is fear mongering. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it now…You don’t need religions to worship God.

Granny Godzilla

March 27th, 2013
2:16 pm

Normal

Did you see a gay rights group bought a hose across the street from Westboro Hate Church and pained it to look like the gay flag!

JohnnyReb

March 27th, 2013
2:16 pm

I will tolerate the whining from the Left on gay rights, marriage, etc. but my hope is that regardless of SCOTUS decisions the media and entertainment will move away from the subject. All the “gay” written into entertainment programs to support this current political push is growing tiresome.

Granny Godzilla

March 27th, 2013
2:16 pm

house not hose….crud.

Normal, plain and simple...

March 27th, 2013
2:17 pm

JR,
Religion should have no say in what is a Constitutional right.

Normal, plain and simple...

March 27th, 2013
2:18 pm

Granny Godzilla

March 27th, 2013
2:16 pm

No I didn’t…How divine is that?

JohnnyReb

March 27th, 2013
2:18 pm

Normal – you were not born knowing right from wrong. It was taught to you, and as sure as your next breath it was based in religion either current at that time in your family or back in your family tree.

Matti

March 27th, 2013
2:19 pm

JohnnyReb @ 2:11,

Nuh-uh.

JohnnyReb

March 27th, 2013
2:20 pm

Normal – you can’t get away from religion as to right and wrong, therefore you can’t get away from religion as to Constitutionality.

stands for decibels

March 27th, 2013
2:21 pm

J-Reb, given that you (bravely, I thought) were willing to stand up and back the right of gays to fight to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution, openly in the military, months back on these comments pages–I find it hard to believe you really have your heart in this one.

So, perhaps, you don’t want your church to bless gay marriages? Fine. (They will one day, I suspect, even if we’re talking sometime in the 22nd century.)

But what earthly good does it do to prevent those in committed relationships to make “honest men/women” of their significant others, so to speak, via legal marriage? If not for those guys and gals, how about for the kids many of them are trying to raise?

Not picking on you specifically—you obviously have company here—but I know you’re no homophobe, and just merely ask, respectfully, that you re-consider your position.

givememyfairshare

March 27th, 2013
2:21 pm

Liberalism is a religion…

Granny Godzilla

March 27th, 2013
2:22 pm

JohnnyReb

March 27th, 2013
2:18 pm
Normal – you were not born knowing right from wrong. It was taught to you, and as sure as your next breath it was based in religion either current at that time in your family or back in your family tree.
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EThics do not require religion.

Normal, plain and simple...

March 27th, 2013
2:23 pm

JohnnyReb

March 27th, 2013
2:18 pm

BS again. We are all born knowing what is right and good. That is God’s gift to humans who believe in just Him if you will just listen to His whispers. Religions teach an agenda of intolerance and hate. I was not brought up that way and neither are my children and grand children. We believe that a relationship with just God is more than enough.

willie lynch

March 27th, 2013
2:23 pm

You’d think Lindsay Graham would throw his support behind this legislation so he could come out already.

Normal, plain and simple...

March 27th, 2013
2:25 pm

My advice to you JR, is to believe what you want to believe, but keep it to yourself. We are all better off that way.

DannyX

March 27th, 2013
2:26 pm

“All the “gay” written into entertainment programs to support this current political push is growing tiresome.”

JohnnyReb, there are about 20 over-the-air religious networks out there, they probably have the type of entertainment you are looking for. You certainly have no entitlement to the mainstream media. Turn the channel, its that easy.

JohnnyReb

March 27th, 2013
2:26 pm

Stands – I’m actually OK with gay marriage if it is approved by the people. I’m not OK with the Left turning to SCOTUS, as they always do, to go around the people.

The best outcome here is to let gay marriage happen in the states who have approved it. Other states can then allow it if the outcome is satisfactory.

What I’m most against is the propaganda war being waged by the Left to get gay marriage approved while ignoring the wishes of the majority of voters.

Brosephus™

March 27th, 2013
2:26 pm

I think the “polled” percentage of Blacks opposed to same-sex marriage was around 48%, and if that’s still the case, that is not a majority. Hell, no pollster has asked for my opinion.

arnold

March 27th, 2013
2:27 pm

Morals have nothing to do with religion. Right from wrong has nothing to do with religion. If you are Jewish, there is no hell.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 27th, 2013
2:27 pm

“Speaking in purely political terms, the best thing the Supreme Court could do for the future of the Republican Party is issue a sweeping ruling that gay marriage is a constitutionally protected right.”

Speaking in purely spiritual terms, the best thing the Supreme Court could do for the future of this
country is issue a sweeping ruling that gay marriage in NOT a constitutionally protected right.

DannyX

March 27th, 2013
2:29 pm

“I will tolerate the whining from the Left on gay rights, marriage, etc. but my hope is that regardless of SCOTUS decisions the media and entertainment will move away from the subject.”

JohnnyReb, times have changed. It is the far right whining about gay rights.

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

March 27th, 2013
2:30 pm

Normal – the whole of civilization knowing right from wrong is based in religion. Thinking it should be cast aside is the ultimate arrogance and pathway to destruction.

Laughable.

arnold

March 27th, 2013
2:30 pm

JohnnyReb, the Constitution protects the minority from the tyranny of the majority.

JohnnyReb

March 27th, 2013
2:30 pm

No DannyX – the gay written into entertainment programs as of late is propaganda to support this current political movement. Too bad you apparently think that’s OK.

Fred ™

March 27th, 2013
2:30 pm

What I’m most against is the propaganda war being waged by the Left to get gay marriage approved while ignoring the wishes of the majority of voters.

Oh the irony of THAT statement.

It’s you brain dead FOXBOTS who ignore the will of the majority of the voters. You 47perceters LOST.

Stevie Ray

March 27th, 2013
2:30 pm

JAY

Lets consider the GOP stance here…they don’t want gay marriage because they feel they will lose christian factions..like who else are these folks going to vote for? I guess they can stay at home but not all of them would pout..

It’s kinda like the kids coming out of liberal leaning colleges. They come out desperately seeking independence but coming out a liberals, they also opt for government dependence..

The GOP are complete cowards on this issue..as well as womens rights….Seems to me we could easily fix the animosity toward us in the middle east…get those angry men sex….I bet the same is true for GOP..

JohnnyReb

March 27th, 2013
2:31 pm

I think I will go for now, do some work. I don’t want to be logged in when lightning strikes !

stands for decibels

March 27th, 2013
2:32 pm

You folks do realize that there are religious organizations backing marriage equality, yes? Like these folks. And these folks.

Rubberman

March 27th, 2013
2:33 pm

It’s surprising to me that Wingfield has yet to post something about this homosexual hullabaloo. After all, Wingfield and his Merry Band of Regressive Dimwits have the right mix of intolerance and hatred that defending DOMA would appear to be right up their anu…er…alley.

Erwin's cat

March 27th, 2013
2:34 pm

“They might,” Huckabee responded. “And if they do, they’re going to lose a large part of their base because evangelicals will take a walk.”

to where?…they aren’t going to suddenly embrace the Dems

clem

March 27th, 2013
2:34 pm

atl tiger, you make too much sense. repubs, the religious right, would still oppose it as they think everyone is supposed to follow their beliefs which are not provable.

willie lynch

March 27th, 2013
2:35 pm

As the older portion of the population fades away this will become a non issue. Time dictates the agenda.

DannyX

March 27th, 2013
2:35 pm

“What I’m most against is the propaganda war being waged by the Left to get gay marriage approved while ignoring the wishes of the majority of voters.”

The propaganda war scares you doesn’t it? The propaganda war scored a series of huge victories last November. Maryland, Maine and Washington.

The propaganda war being waged by Republicans is weak. The courts have destroyed the anti-gay marriage argument. Of course you want to silence the marriage equality side, they’re kicking your butts.

Doggone/GA

March 27th, 2013
2:35 pm

“The Left wants it to be a Right”

Not all of us. I think it’s a mistake to frame it as a right. I just think it is Constitutionally legal. Not everything that is Constitutionally legal reaches the heights of being a right.

stands for decibels

March 27th, 2013
2:36 pm

Doggone/GA

March 27th, 2013
2:36 pm

“And speaking of religions, did you see that the Westboro Baptist Church is going to picket the Final Four? Give it a break, people”

Gotta get publicity somehow. They haven’t been getting much lately.

Peace

March 27th, 2013
2:36 pm

NPS: “Gay people cannot be discriminated against…PERIOD!”

What about age discrimination against heterosexuals and gays? In particular laws that mandate discrimination against older males that prefer young boys/girls, and females that prefer young girls/boys. And what about people who want several wives or husbands. These age discrimination laws were put in place by people who deemedbsame sex marriage illegal. If discrimination is wrong, it should not be made right on a selective basis. End all discrimination as it applies to individual preference and the right to pursue happiness.

JohnnyReb

March 27th, 2013
2:36 pm

arnold – the intent by the founding fathers in the Constitution was to protect the people from government.

Erwin's cat

March 27th, 2013
2:36 pm

Not everything that is Constitutionally legal reaches the heights of being a right.

true dat

JamVet

March 27th, 2013
2:36 pm

You also ignore the reports of a majority of blacks being oppossed (sic) to gay marriage.

Reb, I’ve got real bad news for you.

That is changing and quickly.

In fact, a recent poll shows that it already has.

Besides when did a Republican ever give a tinker’s damn what the Democratic Plantation blacks thought?

HDB

March 27th, 2013
2:37 pm

ATL Tiger
March 27th, 2013
2:14 pm

“If either or both are the main desire for marriage equality then why not civil unions for all? The government could then simply substitute CIVIL UNION for MARRIAGE in all matters and ‘marriage’ strictly speaking then, could be left to the churches”

Remember….marriage carries many benefits that civil unions do not….such as taxes, Social Security…rights of inheritance….. about 1138 issues!! If Constitutional law isn’t enough to advise people that gay marriage is de facto legal in all 50 states…..then CONTRACT law should show that marriage, being a contract, when entered in to in one state……is recognized in ALL 50 states…and TREATY law….in that a marriage entered into in a nation that the US recognizes is also a marriage recognized in the US……..

Note how many nations we recognize that also allow gay marriages…….

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 27th, 2013
2:27 pm

Scout….what about the EQUAL PROTECTION offered by the 14th Amendment?? Doesn’t that make marriage a constitutionally protected right???

Doggone/GA

March 27th, 2013
2:39 pm

“If either or both are the main desire for marriage equality then why not civil unions for all?”

Because…as has been posted around and about here MANY times…the existing laws would ALL have to be rewritten to grant the same rights and privileges that marriage ALREADY BESTOWS. It’s easier and cheaper just to give everyone EQUAL PROTECTION under the law and voila! Any married couple gets the existing rights and privileges without having to rewrite numerous laws in every state, and the nation.

Peadawg

March 27th, 2013
2:39 pm

“because gay marriage is not a right, that’s what all this is about”

Marriage is (should be) a right no matter if you’re straight, gay, inter-racial, whatever as long as it’s between 2 consenting adults.

TBS

March 27th, 2013
2:39 pm

“Gotta get publicity somehow. They haven’t been getting much lately.”

Thank goodness

Doggone/GA

March 27th, 2013
2:39 pm

“You don’t need religions to worship God.”

And you don’t need religions to know right from wrong either.

JamVet

March 27th, 2013
2:40 pm

…the intent by the founding fathers in the Constitution was to protect the people from government.

STUPID, STUPID, STUPID, STUPID, STUPID.

The Foundling Fathers intent in the Constitution was to form a government OF THE PEOPLE.

For gawd sakes man, read the preamble…

DannyX

March 27th, 2013
2:40 pm

“Too bad you apparently think that’s OK.”

I think its great, if you don’t like the “liberal” media don’t watch.

I’m sure Murdoch has the programming you are looking for on his Fox TV Network. Oh wait, they air “Family Guy”, not “Family Values Guy.” Lol, even your conservative media heroes don’t deliver for you..

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 27th, 2013
2:42 pm

1) “34% of doctors will leave profession within 10 years”

“If you’re thinking about getting out of the medical profession within the next decade, you’re not alone. Thirty-four percent of current physicians polled by healthcare staffing company Jackson Healthcare say they will leave the profession within 10 years.

The company surveyed more than 2,000 doctors to measure practice trends and attitudes. General practitioners most likely to give up medicine include family practitioners, general surgeons, emergency medicine physicians, and obstetricians/gynecologists.

Of the doctors surveyed, 16% said they would work part-time, retire, leave the profession, or consider getting out of medicine this year, and 55% of those who said so are younger than age 55.

Doctors saying they will leave the profession cited economic reasons (56%) and healthcare reform (51%) as the biggest culprits.”

http://medicaleconomics.modernmedicine.com/medical-economics/news/modernmedicine/modern-medicine-now-top-story/34-doctors-will-leave-profession

2) AAMC Report on the Inadequacy of the U.S. Physician Supply

(Translation: Not keeping up with population growth)

https://www.aamc.org/download/100598/data/

stands for decibels

March 27th, 2013
2:42 pm

to where?…they aren’t going to suddenly embrace the Dems

True that. However, you don’t win mid-terms with a bummed-out base more inclined to sit out an election than to go to the polls. I certainly think that’s what happened to Obama’s base during the 2010 election. Those folks didn’t suddenly pull for the Tea Party, they just didn’t bother to show up at all, and that was enough for Nancy to hand over the gavel to John in January.

Doggone/GA

March 27th, 2013
2:42 pm

“What about age discrimination against heterosexuals and gays? In particular laws that mandate discrimination against older males that prefer young boys/girls, and females that prefer young girls/boys”

AAAAAAND the slippery slope makes it’s expected appearance

Boris Badnoff

March 27th, 2013
2:43 pm

What many don’t realize is that the Gay Marriage debate is totally unimportant to most Americans and an immense bore. Most of us are worried about the economy, losing our health care, crime, educating our spawn, being hit by an asteroid, unleashed pit bulls, girl scouts that don’t understand that you don’t eat cookies, etc. Gay Marriage ranks well below on my list of things to worry about than they don’t make Hula Hoops for the excessively obese or why Bookman’s hairpiece appears to be migrating.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 27th, 2013
2:43 pm

HDB:

Not if the SCOTUS says it doesn’t.

moonbat betty

March 27th, 2013
2:44 pm

“Last week, Mike Huckabee was asked if the GOP could ever endorse gay marriage.”

“They might,” Huckabee responded. “And if they do, they’re going to lose a large part of their base because evangelicals will take a walk.”

So who are they going to vote for then?

If they are never going to vote again over this, so be it.

I would think it would be a very small percentage of voters.

On another note, I guess California has a high percentage of right wing evangelicals since they couldn’t pass it by popular vote..

This is not necessarily a GOP issue as much as the left tries to make it out to be.

Regnad Kcin

March 27th, 2013
2:44 pm

“Normal – the whole of civilization knowing right from wrong is based in religion. Thinking it should be cast aside is the ultimate arrogance and pathway to destruction’

“God said to Abraham, ‘kill me a son…’ ”

If you have to find morality in a book, there’s something wrong to begin with.

Peadawg

March 27th, 2013
2:45 pm

“This is not necessarily a GOP issue as much as the left tries to make it out to be.”

Don’t the left for the GOP making gay marriage part of their political platform.

Peadawg

March 27th, 2013
2:45 pm

Doggone/GA

March 27th, 2013
2:45 pm

“Gay Marriage ranks well below on my list of things to worry about ”

Maybe you’d worry more about it if, because your marriage was not recognized by the Fed, you had to pay an additional $360,000 in taxes when your legal partner died. As did the woman whose case was accepted by the Supreme Court in a challenge to DOMA.

ATL Tiger

March 27th, 2013
2:46 pm

HDB,

I covered contract law in my opinion yesterday. The government can define contract law, but shouldn’t even be involved in personal love. Why is marriage even in the tax code to begin with?

Now I understand that divorcing Gov and Marriage completely is something that probably isn’t going to take place because of how ingrained the two are in our society, which is why I posted what I did today. I think just by simply changing the federal designation of ‘married’ to ‘civil union’ (all the same benefits are kept the same), and then letting those with religious desires free to continue on to ‘marriage’ in their respective religious ceremonies.

Peadawg

March 27th, 2013
2:46 pm

“Gay Marriage ranks well below on my list of things to worry about ”

Amen. So legalize it so we can move on!

In the middle

March 27th, 2013
2:47 pm

I have a better idea. Why not outlaw marriage completely, just have lawyers draft cohabitation agreements that have renewal clauses.

Matti

March 27th, 2013
2:48 pm

“They might,” Huckabee responded. “And if they do, they’re going to lose a large part of their base because evangelicals will take a walk.”

A LONG one, I hope. Off a short *bleeping* pier. Good riddance “Reverend,” you hypocritical, misogynistic lying *bleep* of a snake-oil salesman!

Peace

March 27th, 2013
2:48 pm

Dog. AAAAAAND I believe you love a slippery slope.

Rebar

March 27th, 2013
2:49 pm

how about the “right” to life, liberty, and the pursuit of ………..

Matti

March 27th, 2013
2:49 pm

Yes. Yes, I do feel better now, thank you.
:lol:

Regnad Kcin

March 27th, 2013
2:50 pm

” I’m not OK with the Left turning to SCOTUS, as they always do”

Dang old constitution always gettin’ in the way of what’s right, huh, JReb?

Brosephus™

March 27th, 2013
2:50 pm

Escaped and Stevie Ray from downstairs:

I’m hoping that your back patting about Obama apologists wasn’t referring to me. If so, you may want to recalibrate your own ideologies. Read my response I left in reference to that. I don’t apologize for anybody other than me or my kids.

moonbat betty

March 27th, 2013
2:51 pm

“Don’t blame the left for the GOP making gay marriage part of their political platform.”

peadawg, I didn’t know it was part of the GOP platform.

Thanks for the info.

Doggone/GA

March 27th, 2013
2:51 pm

“I covered contract law in my opinion yesterday. The government can define contract law, but shouldn’t even be involved in personal love. Why is marriage even in the tax code to begin with?”

Because it is a legal contract. It defines the resolution of property and the care of any children in the event one or both partners dies. Check out the history of the Black Plague era…when the church was BEGGING people to get LEGALLY MARRIED because inheritance was so tangled up due to so many deaths and “remarriages”

TBS

March 27th, 2013
2:52 pm

“I would think it would be a very small percentage of voters.”

Studies vary on the percentage of gays in the population, but there probably are ample numbers to potentially swing close elections.

HDB

March 27th, 2013
2:52 pm

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 27th, 2013
2:43 pm

Even so, contract and treaty law would be enough to overturn DOMA…..

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 27th, 2013
2:53 pm

Well, I reckon it ain’t enough for us to elect a bunch of godly Conservatives to pass laws that keep us from getting gay-married. No, now we got to deal with 9 old f-rts too that can kinda veto the laws even if the President signs them. What this country needs is a good Conservative dictatorship. I mean, if 39 states already told you they want Richard and Jane to get married but not Bruce and Harold, how much more do you need?

This is so disgusting. They just won’t stop till me and the missus are lined up in front of a JP with a big hairy guy named Bubba and we’re all married to each other. We’re getting to be a Sodom & Gonorrhea, I tell you.

Peadawg

March 27th, 2013
2:53 pm

” I didn’t know it was part of the GOP platform.”

Page 10 – http://www.gop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/2012GOPPlatform.pdf

Aquagirl

March 27th, 2013
2:54 pm

Gay Marriage ranks well below on my list of things to worry about

That says plenty about your own self-centeredness and nothing about anyone else.

getalife

March 27th, 2013
2:54 pm

“Last week, Mike Huckabee was asked if the GOP could ever endorse gay marriage.

“They might,” Huckabee responded. “And if they do, they’re going to lose a large part of their base because evangelicals will take a walk.”

That would be a great thing for our country.

cons self deporting would be a greater thing for our country.

stands for decibels

March 27th, 2013
2:54 pm

I guess California has a high percentage of right wing evangelicals since they couldn’t pass it by popular vote.

I get your point, but Prop 8 wasn’t about making gay marriage legal per se. It was about enshrining hetero marriage as the only legal form. Bit of a difference.

Whatever

March 27th, 2013
2:55 pm

Marriage is, and should remain, a states rights issue. That’s one great thing about how we are setup. Each state can govern as it wishes in many of these areas.

I don’t really understand the Constitutionality of DOMA so I’m not sure how that will play out.

ATL Tiger

March 27th, 2013
2:56 pm

“Because it is a legal contract. It defines the resolution of property and the care of any children in the event one or both partners dies. Check out the history of the Black Plague era…when the church was BEGGING people to get LEGALLY MARRIED because inheritance was so tangled up due to so many deaths and “remarriages””

All of which can be kept the same simply by changing the federal designation from ‘married’ to ‘civil union’ for all.

Isn’t this what everyone wants? Same-sex marriage advocates want equality in the eyes of the government right? Traditional marriage advocates want ‘marriage’ kept as a union between man and women (mostly for religious reasons) right? Let the religious institutions define what ‘marriage’ is and who can be ‘married.’

Seperation of church and state right?

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

March 27th, 2013
2:57 pm

Marriage is, and should remain, a states rights issue. That’s one great thing about how we are setup. Each state can govern as it wishes in many of these areas.

Not really. People move from State to State all the time.

Some things have to be done at the Federal level.

JamVet

March 27th, 2013
2:57 pm

Doggone/GA

March 27th, 2013
2:57 pm

“Marriage is, and should remain, a states rights issue”

Nope, because the Consitituion requires ALL states to recognize legal contracts from ALL other states

stands for decibels

March 27th, 2013
2:57 pm

And as long as I am quoting chapter/verse on religious support for marriage equiality–from that Wiki page on Prop 8 I linked earlier:

All six Episcopal diocesan bishops in California jointly issued a statement opposing Proposition 8 on September 10, 2008.[99] Southern California’s largest collection of rabbis, the Board of Rabbis of Southern California, voted to oppose Proposition 8.[100] Other Jewish groups who opposed Proposition 8 include Jewish Mosaic,[101] the American Jewish Committee, Progressive Jewish Alliance, National Council of Jewish Women, and the Anti-Defamation League.[72] Los Angeles Jews were more opposed to Prop 8 than any other religious group or ethnic group in the city. Seventy-eight percent of surveyed Jewish Angelenos voted against the measure while only 8% supported the measure; the remainder declined to respond.[102] The legislative ministry of the Unitarian Universalists opposed Proposition 8, and organized phone banks toward defeating the measure.[103] They see opposition to the proposition as a civil rights and social justice issue and their actions against it as a continuation of their previous works in civil rights.

In addition, the California Council of Churches urged the “immediate removal of Proposition 8″ – saying that it infringes on the freedom of religion for churches who wish to bless same-sex unions.[104]

for what that’s worth.

ty webb

March 27th, 2013
2:58 pm

there is actually a really big opening for the libertarianish wing of the GOP to gain more power within the Party…the “huckabees” of the party are quickly losing their influence.

moonbat betty

March 27th, 2013
2:58 pm

Why can’t they allow a co-habitation contract and give it a cute name?

It seems to me the problem is semantics over what people believe “marriage” to mean.

Granny Godzilla

March 27th, 2013
2:58 pm

“I’m not OK with the Left turning to SCOTUS, as they always do”

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DUH, Who else should they turn to?

Ivan

March 27th, 2013
2:59 pm

Who would evangelicals vote for if they refused to vote for Republicans? The Dems.??

nm…Erwin beat me to it.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 27th, 2013
2:59 pm

HDB:

Disagree.

Time will tell.

Thanks for the exchange.

Doggone/GA

March 27th, 2013
2:59 pm

“Seperation of church and state right?”

Yep. And what *I* say is: get churches out of the LEGAL marriage BUSINESS altogether. If a couple wants their marriage blessed in their religion fine, but the words that make them legally married and the signed license that makes them legally married should be handled by a NON-RELIGIOUS functionary…not the religious leader of their church.

DannyX

March 27th, 2013
3:00 pm

“On another note, I guess California has a high percentage of right wing evangelicals since they couldn’t pass it by popular vote..”

The 2 votes in California confirmed the obvious trend on the issue. In 2000 the vote was 61% to 38% against gay marriage. In 2008 it was 52.5 to 48.5 against.

A poll released last week had support for gay marriage at 59% in California, the highest percentage of approval in that poll’s history. Politicians aren’t the only ones changing their position on this issue.

(And yes, California does have a large evangelical population.)

moonbat betty

March 27th, 2013
3:00 pm

Thanks, Jam.

Whatever

March 27th, 2013
3:01 pm

States do not have to recognize all legal contracts. Many states do not recognize each others carry permits. Should California have to recognize my carry permit when I move to CA?

Regnad Kcin

March 27th, 2013
3:02 pm

“Isn’t this what everyone wants? Same-sex marriage advocates want equality in the eyes of the government right? Traditional marriage advocates want ‘marriage’ kept as a union between man and women (mostly for religious reasons) right? Let the religious institutions define what ‘marriage’ is and who can be ‘married.’”

Sure – can’t the government just do a “find and replace” on the laws to change “marriage” to “civil union?”

moonbat betty

March 27th, 2013
3:05 pm

“I get your point, but Prop 8 wasn’t about making gay marriage legal per se. It was about enshrining hetero marriage as the only legal form. Bit of a difference”

sfd,

Does that not in effect block gay marriage?

DannyX

March 27th, 2013
3:05 pm

“get churches out of the LEGAL marriage BUSINESS altogether.”

Churches sure have gotten out of the marriage business when it comes to divorce. They have given themselves a couple of huge waivers when it comes to Biblical divorce and remarriage.

Our divorce laws have also been through dramatic changes. It wasn’t long ago that a divorce was very difficult to get, you basically had to go to Nevada to get one. That’s why I laugh whenever I hear the words “traditional marriage.”

stands for decibels

March 27th, 2013
3:06 pm

In the Middle @ 2.47, to be honest I’ve thought in the past about civil unions replacing marriage. It has a nice sound to it—let the religious organizations define “marriage” as they always have, or not, and call everything between two consenting adults a “civil union,” where’s the harm? (I know a couple who went that legal route in NJ some years back, which is why I thought about it in the first place.)

But it’d be a major legal mess. There’s so much federal, state and municipal legal code that’d have to be tweaked involving spousal matters, and there’d be so many challenges to what was really affected by some overarching change from “marriages” to “unions,” I really don’t see the point.

A lot simpler, legally, to just include same-sexers among the married, if that’s what these Krazy Kidz wanna do, I think.

ATL Tiger

March 27th, 2013
3:07 pm

“Seperation of church and state right?”

Yep. And what *I* say is: get churches out of the LEGAL marriage BUSINESS altogether. If a couple wants their marriage blessed in their religion fine, but the words that make them legally married and the signed license that makes them legally married should be handled by a NON-RELIGIOUS functionary…not the religious leader of their church.”

Exactly what I’ve been saying. Civil Unions for all (keeping the benefits currently married couples possess), “marriage” for those wanting religious certification if you will.

Regnad Kcin

March 27th, 2013
3:07 pm

““Marriage is, and should remain, a states rights issue””

So, if a serviceman gets transfered to a posting in another state, his marriage becomes invalid? If he dies as a resident of one state, the survivor gets a death benefit, but in the other, not?

stands for decibels

March 27th, 2013
3:07 pm

Does that not in effect block gay marriage?

Yes, it does. Which is why I took your point, but when it comes to salesmanship, obviously it’s easier to pitch “Preserve our lovely marriages!” than “Block those Bad Gay People!”

williebkind

March 27th, 2013
3:09 pm

“DUH, Who else should they turn to?”

Well, they should never turn against the will of the people.

ATL Tiger

March 27th, 2013
3:09 pm

“Sure – can’t the government just do a “find and replace” on the laws to change “marriage” to “civil union?””

Yes

moonbat betty

March 27th, 2013
3:09 pm

How long has legalizing gay marriage been on the dem platform?

Doggone/GA

March 27th, 2013
3:10 pm

“Sure – can’t the government just do a “find and replace” on the laws to change “marriage” to “civil union?””

Nope. don’t know much about how laws are made and changed, do ya?

Shar

March 27th, 2013
3:10 pm

JohnnyReb, why do you object to the “propaganda” inherent in positive depictions of gay characters in the entertainment media but have no problem with the endless swaggering, gun-carrying violent “heroes” foisted on us since time immemorial? “Too bad you apparently think this is okay.”

Also, your comments on religion are absurd. Personal spirituality is one thing, organized religion something else entirely. And precisely which religion are you choosing as the foundation of right and wrong? They don’t agree on those poles, and any choice you make alienates others. Jefferson was right in his Virginia Act for Establishing Religious Freedom, which made its way into the Constitution. There is a bright line between Church and State for a very good reason.

And you are further in error in saying, “I’m not OK with the Left turning to SCOTUS, as they always do, to go around the people.” First, the People support gay marriage. Second, it is the House Republicans who have taken this to SCOTUS.

The biggest peril to the GOP in this issue lies with the young voters. Not only do they overwhelmingly support gay marriage, they cannot imagine a mindset that would support discrimination against gays. This trembles on the verge of making younger voters believe that the basis of all Republican policy positions is so far outside of their experience that it is irrelevant, and can easily lead them to disregard the party altogether.

This is a very bad situation. We need two strong parties to work together and represent the spectrum of American political views. The GOP, on this and several other fronts, is in danger of being dismissed and disbanded.

Cherokee

March 27th, 2013
3:11 pm

“Wingfield and his Merry Band of Regressive Dimwits ”

too funny – ’specially if you’ve spent any time over there…

Doggone/GA

March 27th, 2013
3:11 pm

“Exactly what I’ve been saying. Civil Unions for all (keeping the benefits currently married couples possess), “marriage” for those wanting religious certification if you will.”

No, that’s not the same thing I said. *I* say: “marriages for all, and a church BLESSING for any who want it and who belong to a church that will grant it”

williebkind

March 27th, 2013
3:12 pm

Will you listen to what these people are saying–Separation of Church ans State!

Well you have to separate it if you want redefine marriage. The church does not accept it.

FrankLeeDarling

March 27th, 2013
3:12 pm

This so NOT a state issue.

Doggone/GA

March 27th, 2013
3:12 pm

“Well, they should never turn against the will of the people”

Even if the will of the people dictates that all bloggers who use “willie” in their screen names should be executed?

Regnad Kcin

March 27th, 2013
3:12 pm

“Well, they should never turn against the will of the people.”

williebkind, when “the will of the people” is in conflict with the US Constitution, which do you feel should take precedence?

Rob

March 27th, 2013
3:12 pm

A man having an intimate relationship with another man and a woman having an intimate relationship with another woman is not natural. We have different sets of tools. I am a democrat but will not support gay marraige. I don’t need to know your sexual preference, just like you don’t need to know mine. The government can recognize the relationship and start issuing civil union licenses to all both straight and gay. Let the churches define marriage based on their beliefs. Tax codes can be written to state civil union instead of marriage. Solves the problem!

skipper

March 27th, 2013
3:13 pm

Let the States decide………..Ga. spoke loud and clear……..

Fly-On-The-Wall

March 27th, 2013
3:13 pm

You can’t allow this issue to be a states only issue because, as we’ve seen with the Civil Rights movement some states will outlaw something the 14th Amendment says everyone must have – Equal Rights.

The States Rights line is a cop out to being an adult, facing up to the issues and fixing them.

Fred ™

March 27th, 2013
3:14 pm

Some of youse will love this and some of youse will hate it. Me? I think whoever did it is one creative SOB and the imagery is powerful.

http://www.accessatlanta.com/gallery/entertainment/photos-marriage-equality-facebook-profile-photos/g8jm/#3244178

ATL Tiger

March 27th, 2013
3:15 pm

Doggone,

What exactly is your objection to having the name ‘Civil Union’ replace the name of ‘Marriage’ in they eyes of the government?

You not a fan of compromise? Individuality?

Regnad Kcin

March 27th, 2013
3:15 pm

“Nope. don’t know much about how laws are made and changed, do ya?”

Maybe not. Could the Congress pass a law that says, “in all laws of the US, ‘marriage’ is now ‘civil union’?

I don’t necessarily think it’s a good idea, but I’m interested in the process.

Lord Help Us

March 27th, 2013
3:15 pm

Has Scalia brought up the ‘man marries dog’ thingy yet?

Doggone/GA

March 27th, 2013
3:15 pm

“I am a democrat but will not support gay marraige. I don’t need to know your sexual preference, just like you don’t need to know mine. ”

And marriage is not about sex, and it’s not about love. It’s a LEGAL CONTRACT. Constitutionally, that’s all that matters.

That Black Guy

March 27th, 2013
3:16 pm

DannyX

March 27th, 2013
2:29 pm
“I will tolerate the whining from the Left on gay rights, marriage, etc. but my hope is that regardless of SCOTUS decisions the media and entertainment will move away from the subject.”

JohnnyReb, times have changed. It is the far right whining about gay rights.
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You should listen to WAOK 1380 in the morning.

Hint: The on air personalities and callers are not “far right” or “angry White men”

Granny Godzilla

March 27th, 2013
3:16 pm

williebkind

March 27th, 2013
3:09 pm
“DUH, Who else should they turn to?”

Well, they should never turn against the will of the people.
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Never? Don’t talk nonsense.

They should not have abolished slavery or given women the right to vote?

Regnad Kcin

March 27th, 2013
3:16 pm

” The church does not accept it.”

Why do you feel that should matter to anybody?

clem

March 27th, 2013
3:16 pm

Fly-On-The-Wall

March 27th, 2013
3:17 pm

Religion shouldn’t be solving any issues of law – they are there for those people who feel the need to have solace with whatever deity they have. If we let churches decided matters like this one we’d still be back in the 14th century.

Separate church from the state.

stands for decibels

March 27th, 2013
3:17 pm

How long has legalizing gay marriage been on the dem platform?

Not very. Only since 2012, looks like. (had a peek at the 2008 version, there’s opposition to DOMA, but no specific support for marriage equality.)

DannyX

March 27th, 2013
3:17 pm

“We have different sets of tools.”

Anyone who has enjoyed oral sex knows that the tools can be used on things it wasn’t specifically made for.

stands for decibels

March 27th, 2013
3:17 pm

Ga. spoke loud and clear……..

nine very long years ago. I doubt it’d pass today.

Oppressed Suth'ner

March 27th, 2013
3:18 pm

Surprised that IRS isn’t the number one advocate for gay marriage. Marriage penalty for all is a constitutional right.

moonbat betty

March 27th, 2013
3:18 pm

Did anyone know that “Beth” by KISS was written about Peter Chris’ dog?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbtO_Ayjw0M

williebkind

March 27th, 2013
3:19 pm

Shar

March 27th, 2013
3:10 pm
Good try to redirect the issue and try to convince everyone that teenagers are changing their minds toward that vile disgusting behavior. You said, First People support gay marriage. No they dont it was voted down by the citizens. Stop lying. The liberals took it to the liberal ninth circuit and had prop 8 found unconstitutional when the originators of the prop 8 did not show up to defend it.

St Simons- Cons - privatizimg the public & publicizing your privates since 1980

March 27th, 2013
3:19 pm

please oh please, win this one cons – cmon man, win something

and keep this fundie pandering going

Shar

March 27th, 2013
3:20 pm

If this becomes a state-level decision, Georgia and other states that do not recognize the legality of the marriage contract between gay couples will find themselves at a competitive disadvantage in areas such as business relocation. No corporation is going to relocate into an environment that discriminates against its employees. With our legislators willing to bend Georgia over to entice corporate interests, this will take care of the issue.

Peadawg

March 27th, 2013
3:20 pm

“vile disgusting behavior”

Then don’t do it. Nobody is forcing you to do it. Stop worrying about what 2 consenting adults do in their bedroom.

Doggone/GA

March 27th, 2013
3:21 pm

“What exactly is your objection to having the name ‘Civil Union’ replace the name of ‘Marriage’ in they eyes of the government?”

I’ve already answered that, I’m not repeating it because you’re too lazy to read what I wrote.

williebkind

March 27th, 2013
3:21 pm

“Don’t talk nonsense.

They should not have abolished slavery or given women the right to vote?”

I thought you believe in democracy! I was wrong, you believe everyone should do as you believe and do as you say. Liberalocracy mabe?

Shar

March 27th, 2013
3:22 pm

Willie: Take a look at the polls. Georgia voted several years ago, as did California.

It is the absolute denial of party faithful such as yourself that will drag the GOP under the waves.

Doggone/GA

March 27th, 2013
3:22 pm

“Maybe not. Could the Congress pass a law that says, “in all laws of the US, ‘marriage’ is now ‘civil union’?”

Doubtful at best. The Supreme Court can rule a state’s law unconstitutional, but Congress and the President are not given the authority to interfere in how state laws are written. There is no blanket authority to change the wording of laws that are not Federal.

williebkind

March 27th, 2013
3:22 pm

“Then don’t do it. Nobody is forcing you to do it. Stop worrying about what 2 consenting adults do in their bedroom.”

Did I bring this subject up or DID THEY liberal.

That Black Guy

March 27th, 2013
3:23 pm

JamVet

March 27th, 2013
2:36 pm
You also ignore the reports of a majority of blacks being oppossed (sic) to gay marriage.

Reb, I’ve got real bad news for you.

That is changing and quickly.

In fact, a recent poll shows that it already has.

Besides when did a Republican ever give a tinker’s damn what the Democratic Plantation blacks thought?
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But Jam, don’t they deserve the same caustic, vicious, slanderous treatment you dished out White republicians yesterday?

indigo

March 27th, 2013
3:23 pm

Republican politicians are not this dumb. If the Court just ducks the issue, Republicans will concentrate all their efforts on convincing their electorate that abortion is an evil that will bring down the nation and that Democrats are determined to take their guns and turn America into a strict Socialist State.

Since the Republican electorate has not demonstrated much more than double-digit IQ reasoning abilities, these two issues will assure their continued allegiance.

And, Republican silence on gay marriage will hardly be noticed.

williebkind

March 27th, 2013
3:24 pm

“No corporation is going to relocate into an environment that discriminates against its employees.”

What dream world are you living in”

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 27th, 2013
3:24 pm

You should listen to WAOK 1380 in the morning.

I used to, years ago when they were a soul music station.

I haven’t wandered over there in decades. Do they play music anymore?

Peadawg

March 27th, 2013
3:24 pm

“Did I bring this subject up or DID THEY liberal.”

1. Not a liberal.

2. “They” just want to be able to marry and be miserable like the rest of us. Why do you care what “they” do?

DannyX

March 27th, 2013
3:26 pm

“No corporation is going to relocate into an environment that discriminates against its employees.”

Corporations evolved on the issue a long time ago, politicians are just now coming around. When DOMA was enacted a good percentage of corporations already had full benefits for their gay employees.

Regnad Kcin

March 27th, 2013
3:26 pm

williebkind is all about the constitution, except when he’s against it.

Fly-On-The-Wall

March 27th, 2013
3:26 pm

Willie,

Democracy does not mean that a majority of people can vote to take rights away from or not give rights to a group of people. The Constitution projects us from that type of mindless behavior. Our founders were very smart when it came to understanding group/mob thinking and how it could destroy the process they developed.

Rob

March 27th, 2013
3:26 pm

So three to five percent of Americans should have have the right to tell over fifty percent how to think?

williebkind

March 27th, 2013
3:27 pm

“t is the absolute denial of party faithful such as yourself that will drag the GOP under the waves.”

What if the citizens vote for the GOP are you going to deny the voter again like you are doing in Ca. “The will of the people doesn’t mean jack-diddly when the left wants something. In fact, when the left wants something, the vast majority of the time, it’s against the will of the people.”

Doggone/GA

March 27th, 2013
3:27 pm

“Democracy does not mean that a majority of people can vote to take rights away from or not give rights to a group of people”

It can be, though…it’s just that OUR Democracy does not allow it.

Bob

March 27th, 2013
3:27 pm

I heard many states, including left wing California, have had gay marriage on the ballot and it has failed most of the time. If so many people are for gay marriage why does it need the consent of the supremes ? And if Gay marriage gets a thumbs up from the supremes, but the affirmative action case from MI goes down, how will the left handle it ? On the one hand they get equal for all, on the other hand they lose “some are more equal than others”, quite a quandary.

Doggone/GA

March 27th, 2013
3:27 pm

“So three to five percent of Americans should have have the right to tell over fifty percent how to think?”

Nope, no one is telling anyone how (or what) to think. You can rest easy on that one.

Regnad Kcin

March 27th, 2013
3:28 pm

“What dream world are you living in”’

willieb – look at all the amicus briefs from businesses and CofCs supporting the overturn of DOMA.

In support of DOMA? None – not one business of CofC. Figure that.

williebkind

March 27th, 2013
3:28 pm

“They” just want to be able to marry and be miserable like the rest of us. Why do you care what “they” do?”

I do not care but I will not accept their behavior as normal and their unions as marriage.

Regnad Kcin

March 27th, 2013
3:29 pm

“So three to five percent of Americans should have have the right to tell over fifty percent how to think?”

May one inquire as to what you’re talking about?

Granny Godzilla

March 27th, 2013
3:29 pm

williebkind

March 27th, 2013
3:21 pm
“Don’t talk nonsense.

They should not have abolished slavery or given women the right to vote?”

I thought you believe in democracy! I was wrong, you believe everyone should do as you believe and do as you say. Liberalocracy mabe?
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Again with the nonsense! You DO have a talent! Good for you!

You about as good as any rightwing comic I ever saw……

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What do use your copy of the constitution for?
Mine is nicely bound and sitting on the bookshelf next to the dictionary, several flavors of the Bible and my Irma Rombauer.

Is yours on a roll in the water closet?

Peadawg

March 27th, 2013
3:30 pm

“I do not care”

*Not intended to be a factual statement*

Normal, plain and simple...

March 27th, 2013
3:30 pm

Regnad Kcin

March 27th, 2013
2:44 pm

“Normal – the whole of civilization knowing right from wrong is based in religion. Thinking it should be cast aside is the ultimate arrogance and pathway to destruction’

Let me put this straight right now. I did not say the above. That was Johnny Rb.

Robert

March 27th, 2013
3:30 pm

“What was hidden could be and was assumed to be monstrous. It turns out that what is open and commonplace becomes more difficult to fear. This week, the U.S. Supreme Court will hear arguments regarding the right of gay Americans to have equal access to the institution of marriage, which in historical terms is a remarkable event. In a TV appearance last weekend, Karl Rove said he could envision a GOP presidential nominee as soon as 2016 who would be supportive of gay marriage. While that strikes me as quite unlikely, it is even more unlikely that gay marriage will ever again be a hotly divisive political issue at the national level.

According to the latest Pew poll, 48 percent of Americans support gay marriage, while 43 percent still oppose it. Opposition is strongest (33 percent supportive; 55 percent opposed) among those 65 and older; among Republicans (25-67 percent); among black Americans (40-48 percent); and here in the South (39-51 percent).

That last number is telling. Less than 10 years ago, an overwhelming 76 percent of Georgia voters approved a constitutional ban on gay marriage that Republicans had placed on the ballot as a means of energizing conservative voters. Today that measure would still pass, I suspect, but by a much smaller number, and it would probably not be put on the ballot in the first place.

In fact, within a generation if not sooner, that language will be stripped from Georgia law as an embarrassment, much as states have stripped their legal codes of the inoperable remnants of Jim Crow. And while a few will condemn that move as another step toward perdition, most others will recognize it as a welcome acknowledgement that those days are over. The closet door is being lifted from its hinges forever. “

DannyX

March 27th, 2013
3:31 pm

“In fact, when the left wants something, the vast majority of the time, it’s against the will of the people.”

Like what Willie? Immigration reform? Saving Social Security? Sensible gun laws? Taxes?

You care to back your statement up with some facts?

williebkind

March 27th, 2013
3:31 pm

Regnad Kcin

March 27th, 2013
3:28 pm
I did not read the briefs but were they from states only supporting gay marriage.

Regnad Kcin

March 27th, 2013
3:31 pm

“I do not care but I will not accept their behavior as normal and their unions as marriage”

Fair enough – I’m sure their feelings will be hurt terribly.

hd 07

March 27th, 2013
3:33 pm

yes a great deal of African Americans may not be supportive of Gay Marriage but they even less supportive of the Republican Party, their total lack of respect shown towards the POTUS, and their race baiting antics.

Aquagirl

March 27th, 2013
3:33 pm

look at all the amicus briefs from businesses and CofCs supporting the overturn of DOMA.

Nike, Microsoft, Pfizer, Johnson & Johnson, Bain & Co, Viacom, CBS…where’s all our free-market innerprize huggers?

Regnad Kcin

March 27th, 2013
3:34 pm

“Let me put this straight right now. I did not say the above. That was Johnny Rb.”

The strange thing is – I don’t think the quote you’re referring to is from me. :) I don’t think I’ve ever directly addressed you (nothing personal).

skipper

March 27th, 2013
3:35 pm

Businesses are all subject to the “latest” fad, and feel they are forced. Gay marriage will just mean that many more benefits to pay (govt. employees, for example) for something that right now may be the politically correct hot-potato, but will probably get thrown back to the states, where it should be to start with. Behaviour and skin color are two entirely different things. For gays to jump on the back of blacks and equate it to their struggle is not good.
Of course, the John Lewis and Julian Bonds of the country will ride on it, because to be out front keeps them relevant……

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 27th, 2013
3:35 pm

…where’s all our free-market innerprize huggers?

No “happy ending” from the invisible hand of the market.

stands for decibels

March 27th, 2013
3:35 pm

Like what Willie? Immigration reform? Saving Social Security? Sensible gun laws? Taxes?

or…Medicare? or Reproductive rights?

We “lefties” are so gosh-darned out of the mainstream on this stuff. gots to hang my head in shame.

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

March 27th, 2013
3:36 pm

Anyone looking at the demographics can see the changes.

Even young Republicans support Gay Marriage.

Change is coming and soon.

Just because you are a bigot doesn’t mean you get to take rights away from other people you happen to not like.

America wins. Bigots lose

Rob

March 27th, 2013
3:36 pm

Homesexuality is just naturally wrong! Is this a fact?

Regnad Kcin

March 27th, 2013
3:36 pm

” I don’t think I’ve ever directly addressed you (nothing personal).”

Ah – I see. It is my habit to lead with the quote to which I am responding. In this case, it was JReb’s reponse to something that YOU said. Sorry for the confusion.

williebkind

March 27th, 2013
3:37 pm

Robert

March 27th, 2013
3:30 pm
That is easy to explain. Read carefully, Ok, here it goes. The media has joined with the left to promote this issue. They have declared it is a civil right to put your body part in a t*u*rd*. Of course they use more civil language like, “you dont want to deny someone civil rights do you?” The younger folks would immediately respond no of course not. So it is not a deep conviction for gay marriage but rather an on the spot decision that is made. In the voting both the deep conviction usually takes hold if a person is informed.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 27th, 2013
3:37 pm

may be the politically correct hot-potato

Bill Maher from the mid 1990s called and said he wanted his talking point back

Regnad Kcin

March 27th, 2013
3:38 pm

“Homesexuality is just naturally wrong! Is this a fact?”

It’s your opinion. And you’re perfectly entitled to it.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 27th, 2013
3:39 pm

Homesexuality is just naturally wrong!

Natural laws are self enforcing, and need no help from you or any other.

Is this a fact?

No.

Logical Dude

March 27th, 2013
3:40 pm

willikebkind: “They have declared it is a civil right to put your body part ”

So, when a heterosexual couple does the same thing, does that mean they shouldn’t be allowed to get married either?

I mean, come ON HERE.
Do you see how bad your logic is with that argument?

Joe Hussein Mama

March 27th, 2013
3:40 pm

williebkind — “I do not care but I will not accept their behavior as normal and their unions as marriage.”

Nobody cares if YOU do or don’t.

Your opinion of what others do is irrelevant.

JamVet

March 27th, 2013
3:40 pm

But Jam, don’t they deserve the same caustic, vicious, slanderous treatment you dished out White republicians yesterday?

The homo-bashing white Republicans have their Klan demons, etc to deal with, while the filthy rappers have their own self-hatred issues.

They can all go ____ themselves for all I care. Better yet put them in a closed warehouse and let them sort out who hates who more. Maybe they’ll all end up good homo-bashing pals who can then kick each others heads in.

LOL!

http://www.vice.com/read/my-top-ten-hottest-homophobes

Aquagirl

March 27th, 2013
3:41 pm

Homesexuality is just naturally wrong! Is this a fact?

No.

Thanks for playing, pick up your consolation prize and don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

Peadawg

March 27th, 2013
3:41 pm

“They have declared it is a civil right to put your body part in a t*u*rd*”

You DO realize that heterosexual couples do that sometimes too, right? Should they not be married?

williebkind

March 27th, 2013
3:41 pm

“Is yours on a roll in the water closet?”

Mine is in my heart and soul.

Normal, plain and simple...

March 27th, 2013
3:41 pm

Regnad Kcin

March 27th, 2013
3:36 pm

No problem…

what I have read from you, I think, in most things, we think alike…

williebkind

March 27th, 2013
3:41 pm

Homesexuality is just naturally wrong! Is this a fact?

Yep!

indigo

March 27th, 2013
3:42 pm

Granny

See the attachment below.

http://www.thebible.net/modules.php?name=Read&itemid=81&cat=9

Notice He was refering to Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

In the future, before making baseless charges, you might consider actually reading The New Testament and not just having selected verses recited to you in Church.

FrankLeeDarling

March 27th, 2013
3:42 pm

Let’s just hurry and make gay marriage legal in all fifty states so we can get on to making marihuana legal in all fifty states

williebkind

March 27th, 2013
3:42 pm

“You DO realize that heterosexual couples do that sometimes too, right? Should they not be married?

That too is vile disgusting behavior.

Normal, plain and simple...

March 27th, 2013
3:43 pm

“Homesexuality is just naturally wrong! Is this a fact?”

This is why I fear for us…to think this attitude prevails in this century….it boggles the mind.

Peadawg

March 27th, 2013
3:43 pm

“That too is vile disgusting behavior.” – You didn’t answer the question. Should they not be allowed to marry?

Regnad Kcin

March 27th, 2013
3:43 pm

“They have declared it is a civil right to put your body part in a t*u*rd*.”

Two points, willieb. First, I think you had that right already. Second, you’ve thought about this a lot, haven’t you?

williebkind

March 27th, 2013
3:43 pm

FrankLeeDarling seems to like weed.

Rob

March 27th, 2013
3:43 pm

I am to believe that homosexuality is naturally right? I don’t need any prizes just a simple answer. We all know it is not naturally right, don’t skirt the issue.

DannyX

March 27th, 2013
3:44 pm

“The media has joined with the left to promote this issue.”

The conservative media has been a huge failure on the issue. Conservative websites and blogs, the thousands of Christian tv and radio stations, Fox News, total failure. You should be analyzing your own failures. Why aren’t more people paying attention to the conservative media? Lack of conservative media outlets is no longer an issue.

Peadawg

March 27th, 2013
3:44 pm

Answer the question, willie.

Granny Godzilla

March 27th, 2013
3:45 pm

iebkind

March 27th, 2013
3:41 pm
“Is yours on a roll in the water closet?”

Mine is in my heart and soul.

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but you lack both…

williebkind

March 27th, 2013
3:45 pm

“Two points, willieb. First, I think you had that right already. Second, you’ve thought about this a lot, haven’t you?

AJC and CNN wont let me forget it. It has been front page news for how long now? You love this attention huh.

Peadawg

March 27th, 2013
3:45 pm

“That too is vile disgusting behavior.” – You didn’t answer the question. Should they not be allowed to marry?

I’m waiting willie. Answer the question.

DownInAlbany

March 27th, 2013
3:45 pm

“The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it.” This is a quote from Jay’s first blog yesterday. I couldn’t help but think of it when this subject was brought up. IF gay marriage was wrong yesterday, what makes it right today? Don’t fall back to the “times change” argument. Just asking…

Regnad Kcin

March 27th, 2013
3:46 pm

“what I have read from you, I think, in most things, we think alike…”

That’s my impression as well.

williebkind

March 27th, 2013
3:46 pm

GG: “but you lack both…”

Now that hurt!

Normal, plain and simple...

March 27th, 2013
3:46 pm

Gays are born, plain and simple. To them it is natural and right. It’s up to the rest of us to reconcile that fact and embrace it. Understanding is the key…get some.

Logical Dude

March 27th, 2013
3:47 pm

Can a monogamous heterosexual couple who practice “non traditional” sex get married?

Yes

Can a monogamous heterosexual couple who are infertile get married?

Yes

Does someone else’s activity in the privacy of their own home affect you in any way?

Nope, unless you join them in their own home. ;)

JamVet

March 27th, 2013
3:47 pm

Is this a fact?

No.

Homosexual behavior in animals refers to the documented evidence of homosexual and bisexual behavior in various (non-human) species. Such behaviors include sex, courtship, affection, pair bonding, and parenting among same-sex animal pairings. Homosexual behavior has been observed in close to 1,500 species, ranging from primates to gut worms, and is well documented for 500 of them.

Current research indicates that various forms of same-sex sexual behavior are found throughout the animal kingdom.

I would contend that irrational and ignorance-based religiosity run amok is much more unnatural…

DannyX

March 27th, 2013
3:47 pm

“Two points, willieb. First, I think you had that right already.”

Yep, Lawrence v. Texas, 2003. Enjoy!

Regnad Kcin

March 27th, 2013
3:47 pm

“I am to believe that homosexuality is naturally right?”

What does “naturally right” mean?

Granny Godzilla

March 27th, 2013
3:47 pm

indigo

adam and eve…yep, i read that

they had cain and abel…

not cain and mabel

somebody’s telling you a “story” ’bout where you came from.

snicker

moonbat betty

March 27th, 2013
3:47 pm

Normal is the God of Hell Fire!

Thomas

March 27th, 2013
3:48 pm

among black Americans (40-48 percent)

According to Jam alots most eloquent diatribe black Americans, for the most part, are KKK loving homophobes who should be thrown somewhere and have something done to their faces…

Peadawg

March 27th, 2013
3:48 pm

“Gays are born, plain and simple.”

Most, yes. But not all. I know someone who chose. But yes, for the large majority you are correct.

williebkind

March 27th, 2013
3:48 pm

“That too is vile disgusting behavior.” – You didn’t answer the question. Should they not be allowed to marry?”

Yes they should be allowed to marry because Marriage is between one man and one woman unless it is GG then we should take a vote on it.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 27th, 2013
3:48 pm

williebkind — “That too is vile disgusting behavior.”

And it’s still none of your business, regardless of who does it.

Don Abernethy

March 27th, 2013
3:49 pm

Since the court is liberal and anti-christian it is a sure thing that they will favor the gays.

Peadawg

March 27th, 2013
3:49 pm

“Yes they should be allowed to marry ”

Ok, that threw your t*u*r*d comment out the window. Thanks.

stands for decibels

March 27th, 2013
3:49 pm

IF gay marriage was wrong yesterday, what makes it right today?

I thought it was right twenty years ago. Lotta people did in the years that follow. There’s this thing called political critical mass; we hit it around the time that Obama (rather wussily I thought, but our josef says otherwise so what do I know?) gave it his blessing and it went into the DNC platform, last year.

what I’m saying is, this didn’t happen overnight. Not hardly.

Peadawg

March 27th, 2013
3:50 pm

willie, since your previous comment is irrelevant, you have any other reasons why gays shouldn’t marry?

Rob

March 27th, 2013
3:50 pm

How about you undertand my position. Why must I reconcile, why can’t homosexuals reconcile and realize that this is not a civil rights issue. It is your choice to do what you want sexually, not mine.

Welcome to the Occupation

March 27th, 2013
3:50 pm

The trauma at the heart of resistance to gay marriage is exactly the same as the one motivating opponents to Galileo’s discoveries centuries ago.

Which is not to say the trauma is not real. It is.

But just as in Galileo’s day the attempt to stop the unseating of earth in its privileged central role among the planetary bodies was doomed to failure sooner or later, today’s opponents of unseating traditional heterosexual relationships as the absolute norm are fighting a losing battle and they know it.

FrankLeeDarling

March 27th, 2013
3:51 pm

williebkind
March 27th, 2013
3:43 pm

FrankLeeDarling seems to like weed

I like freedom

DannyX

March 27th, 2013
3:51 pm

“AJC and CNN wont let me forget it. It has been front page news for how long now? You love this attention huh.”

Don’t go there! There are plenty of websites out there. Why do yo think you should be given an entitlement to what a private business publishes.

williebkind

March 27th, 2013
3:51 pm

“Since the court is liberal and anti-christian it is a sure thing that they will favor the gays.”

I would not doubt it either. We will have abortions and homosexual marriages. What will we call it to determine if one is normally married that is one man one woman or opposite sex marriage to determine if it is a homosexual marriage. You know how the government likes to keep statistics.

JamVet

March 27th, 2013
3:52 pm

Rob, would you like more evidence that you premise is incorrect? Or are you satisfied that your argument needs work?

Regnad Kcin

March 27th, 2013
3:52 pm

“It is your choice to do what you want sexually, not mine.”

So, Rob, is it fair to say that, for you, it’s not about gay marriage, but about the sex?

ty webb

March 27th, 2013
3:53 pm

Why limit it to just 2 consenting adults? Why shouldn’t three or more adults be able to enter in to any contract as long as the contract doesn’t impede/intrude on anyone else’s rights? (Disclaimer: I support homosexual marriage and I’m not equating homosexuality to polygamy). Just asking.

DannyX

March 27th, 2013
3:54 pm

” It is your choice to do what you want sexually, not mine.”

Rob, what do you do in the sack? I would like to judge your kinkiness.

Do you wear diapers like Sen Vitter (R)?

Peadawg

March 27th, 2013
3:55 pm

ty webb
March 27th, 2013
3:53 pm

One wife is enough. Geeze…who the hell would want more than 1?

Rob

March 27th, 2013
3:55 pm

Just cause it is observed, does not mean it right! I will not look down upon them but I would like for them to respect my opinion as well!

williebkind

March 27th, 2013
3:56 pm

“willie, since your previous comment is irrelevant, you have any other reasons why gays shouldn’t marry?”

i do not know how to answer this again, and again. Marriage is defined as one man one woman. Your new definitions can not replace the original definition just because YOU want it so.

Logical Dude

March 27th, 2013
3:56 pm

Ty: “Why limit it to just 2 consenting adults? ”

Because all the forms only have space for 2 names?
It sure would cost a lot to reprint all those forms.

Granny Godzilla

March 27th, 2013
3:57 pm

“Since the court is liberal and anti-christian it is a sure thing that they will favor the gays.”

Scalia, Roberts, Thomas and Alito…wept.

JamVet

March 27th, 2013
3:57 pm

Just cause it is observed, does not mean it right!

That was not your original premise.

You did not use the word right, you used the word natural.

I’ve demonstrated that it occurs throughout the natural world.

You seem confused…

clem

March 27th, 2013
3:57 pm

who would pay to see williebkindofslow argue before scotus?

Peadawg

March 27th, 2013
3:57 pm

williebkind
March 27th, 2013
3:56 pm

So you’re reason is b/c of tradition? How do you feel about blacks, slaves, inter-racial marriage? B/c that argument has been used before.

Regnad Kcin

March 27th, 2013
3:58 pm

“Why limit it to just 2 consenting adults?”

An issue for another day. But it should be an interesting discussion! :)

Peadawg

March 27th, 2013
3:58 pm

“williebkindofslow”

:lol:

Nice!!!!

Granny Godzilla

March 27th, 2013
3:58 pm

Logical Dude

March 27th, 2013
3:56 pm
Ty: “Why limit it to just 2 consenting adults? ”

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too costly to monogram the bath towels and luggage?

Oppressed Suth'ner

March 27th, 2013
3:59 pm

Peadawg @ 3:55 – Your “point” is irrelevant. No one cares what your opinion is about polygamy.

Common Sense is Uncommon

March 27th, 2013
4:00 pm

Regardless of the Supremes decision, I doubt many so called evangelicals will flock to the BABY KILLER DEMOCRATS. I am a Christian! I for one could care less what gay people do with their own lives. I have lived with, worked with, fought with, defended this country with, worked for and had worked for me many gays over the years. I have never had a problem with anyone because he or she was gay. I have had a lot of trouble with busy body liberals sticking their noses in my personal business and beliefs.

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

March 27th, 2013
4:00 pm

We all know it is not naturally right, don’t skirt the issue.

How is it not naturally right ?

It has occurred quite naturally.

Rob

March 27th, 2013
4:00 pm

Jamvet, I used the wrong word, but I will not support this unnatural behavior. I will respect them but not support them.

williebkind

March 27th, 2013
4:01 pm

What have slaves, blacks, inter-racial marriages have to do with homosexuality. You are comparing one’s sex drive to race?

Peadawg

March 27th, 2013
4:01 pm

Oppressed Suth’ner
March 27th, 2013
3:59 pm

Someone doesn’t know a joke when they see it….

Granny Godzilla

March 27th, 2013
4:03 pm

“BABY KILLER DEMOCRATS”
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.

I’m pretty sure I’d posted this before.

In my life I have known 5 women who have had abortions.

4 out of 5 STILL vote Republican.

Peadawg

March 27th, 2013
4:03 pm

“You are comparing one’s sex drive to race?”

Some people are born black/brown/whatever. Some people are born gay. What’s the difference?

Oppressed Suth'ner

March 27th, 2013
4:03 pm

No peadawg, it’s just that you like to harrass others on here when they inject their opinion, so why should anyone care about your opinion, jesting or otherwise?

Rob

March 27th, 2013
4:03 pm

Cheesy,

In what percentage of nature does it occur? I love other men, my Dad, my grandfather, but I don’t want to have an intimate relationship with them. It is the unnatural sexual behavior that is simply wrong.

stands for decibels

March 27th, 2013
4:04 pm

Scalia, Roberts, Thomas and Alito…wept.

And those two others who got a new Holy Father this month, that’d be Kennedy and Sotomayor, as well, one presumes.

stands for decibels

March 27th, 2013
4:05 pm

In my life I have known 5 women who have had abortions.

Believe it’s something like 30% of women in America wind up having one.

Lotta “baby-killers” out there.

Peadawg

March 27th, 2013
4:05 pm

Oppressed Suth’ner
March 27th, 2013
4:03 pm

Harrass? Mmmmkk.

Looks like I have a new leg humper and we, as a blog, have a new sock puppet. I feel so special!!!

Granny Godzilla

March 27th, 2013
4:05 pm

Rob

You really have never thought another man was attractive?

Really never?

Wow.

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

March 27th, 2013
4:05 pm

What have slaves, blacks, inter-racial marriages have to do with homosexuality.

I’m really not sure why anyone continues to engage you.

You are clearly a bigot and there is no bringing you back from that.

Sucks to be you.

Regnad Kcin

March 27th, 2013
4:06 pm

“I will respect them but not support them”

I think that’s all they’re really asking…

Peadawg

March 27th, 2013
4:06 pm

Rob
March 27th, 2013
4:03 pm

Comparing homosexuality to incest. Oy the stupidity.

dbm

March 27th, 2013
4:06 pm

DownInAlbany

March 27th, 2013
3:45 pm

Gay marriage wasn’t really wrong yesterday, or whenever. People just thought it was.

DannyX

March 27th, 2013
4:07 pm

“In what percentage of nature does it occur?”

I have a driver’s license, what other animals drive a car? Is driving a car natural?

What’s next? Dogs demanding a driver’s license?

indigo

March 27th, 2013
4:08 pm

Granny – 3:47

I must confess that, as before, I haven’t a clue as how to understand that answer.

Oppressed Suth'ner

March 27th, 2013
4:08 pm

What do you call it dawg-pee, when you constantly repeat the same obnoxious but entirely irrelevant question over and over again? Someone on trial and you’re the prosecutor?

weetamoe

March 27th, 2013
4:08 pm

I watched cnn and c-span yesterday. They covered demonstrations in front of the courthouse for a couple of hours. Most of the demonstrators opposing gay marriage were minorities. There were impassioned speeches in English, Spanish, and French. Probably most of the opposition was on religious grounds. As a libertarian conservative, I am not much concerned about this issue except in cases where marriage is considered a sacrament and like baptism, confirmation, holy orders, etc.,there are specific ecclesiastical rules involved .In those cases the separation clause would no doubt be the deal breaker. I think it was Scalia who asked some interesting questions about labels.

Rob

March 27th, 2013
4:08 pm

GG, Based on your last comment, I am to believe that I am the minority now? Don’t think so, I don’t think homesexual behavior is right and I will not change my mind. I also will not judge another person, but I would ask that you do not judge me as well.

JamVet

March 27th, 2013
4:08 pm

So even though you acknowledge that it is, in fact, natural, you still call it unnatural.

You are not confused, you are in denial about the meaning of the word.

So the men who transcribed the book of Romans either lied or were just ignorant of the fact that homosexuality existed throughout their natural world, in a a multitude of animal species. I tend to believe it was the latter.

moonbat betty

March 27th, 2013
4:09 pm

“In my life I have known 5 women who have had abortions.

4 out of 5 STILL vote Republican.”

Yes, and Kamchak has had a 3 way with Madonna and Brittney Spears while Bristol Palin slapped him on the ass.

See, this can work both ways!!

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

March 27th, 2013
4:09 pm

In what percentage of nature does it occur?

I would say about the same.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

All of those animals exhibit homosexual behavior.

Either way its perfectly natural as is the world we live in.

St Simons- Cons - privatizimg the public & publicizing your privates since 1980

March 27th, 2013
4:09 pm

ohhh yeah, this is what passes for ‘qualified’ on the SC –
these will certainly make the greatest hits album of the Clown 5 –

‘you’re asking us to judge the fate of 40k kids in Calif over such a
new law?’

DOMA is great ’cause it’s new! Who knew? see what they’re doing there?
its ‘modern’ revolutionary thought. The rubes fall for it every time.

‘..we can’t decide something that’s been around less time than
cell phones or the internet…’

what a scholarly argument – I can’t even begin to…….well, i know these 5
should not be near sharp objects like forks, or maybe even spoons

‘this could be Federalism’ – huh?

maybe the most bizarre thing i’ve heard since Pink Floyd,
had to be Sir Clarence or Kennedy

man, i hope they win this one, and all the karma that goes with it.

Granny Godzilla

March 27th, 2013
4:09 pm

indigo

i am not surprised.

Fred ™

March 27th, 2013
4:09 pm

Peadawg

March 27th, 2013
3:24 pm

“Did I bring this subject up or DID THEY liberal.”

1. Not a liberal.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Too funny. Some complete idiot calling Peadawg a liberal.

See? I TOLD you people these fools use the word liberal as an epithet.

Peadawg

March 27th, 2013
4:09 pm

Oppressed Suth’ner

Off with you, leg humper! Off with you!

TBS

March 27th, 2013
4:10 pm

“Yes, and Kamchak has had a 3 way with Madonna and Brittney Spears while Bristol Palin slapped him on the ass.”

Damn, I’m jealous

Peadawg

March 27th, 2013
4:11 pm

Fred ™
March 27th, 2013
4:09 pm

I’m used to it. I get called a “con” sometimes if I agree with the GOP on something. Meh…whatever.

Granny Godzilla

March 27th, 2013
4:11 pm

Rob

March 27th, 2013
4:08 pm
GG, Based on your last comment, I am to believe that I am the minority now? Don’t think so, I don’t think homesexual behavior is right and I will not change my mind. I also will not judge another person, but I would ask that you do not judge me as well.
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You will believe whatever you wish,,,,I’m just surprised.

Fred ™

March 27th, 2013
4:11 pm

Yes, and Kamchak has had a 3 way with Madonna and Brittney Spears while Bristol Palin slapped him on the ass.

Woo Hoo!!!!!!!!!!!! How much for some pictures? Oh wait, never mind. I DON’T want to see that much of Kam……………. I was thinking more of Brittany……… but then I’ve seen the no panties shot so I guess there isn’t much left.

Rob

March 27th, 2013
4:12 pm

So am I to belief everything on the internet?

Fred ™

March 27th, 2013
4:13 pm

Peadawg: I get it as well, but it’s still funny. i’ve been called a bed wetting liberal AND a nazi Con within 10 posts on this blog in the past……..

moonbat betty

March 27th, 2013
4:13 pm

“All of those animals exhibit homosexual behavior”

This animal thing is a stupid argument.

Animals also eat their own feces and are often cannibals as well.

DannyX

March 27th, 2013
4:13 pm

“You really have never thought another man was attractive?

Really never?”

Football player Tom Brady wearing those ballet dancer tights on hi def tv on Sundays? Most likely part of the gay recruiters union. Its a liberal conspiracy!!! Boycott the NFL!!! Ban the tights!!!

Oppressed Suth'ner

March 27th, 2013
4:13 pm

dawg-pee – just answer the question $%@# it. what do you call it? ***just kidding, but you perhaps you can detect how your behavior might be perceived as **obnoxious**.

Fred ™

March 27th, 2013
4:13 pm

So am I to belief everything on the internet?

Only “belief” spelling contests.

Granny Godzilla

March 27th, 2013
4:14 pm

moonbat betty

March 27th, 2013
4:09 pm
“In my life I have known 5 women who have had abortions.

4 out of 5 STILL vote Republican.”

Yes, and Kamchak has had a 3 way with Madonna and Brittney Spears while Bristol Palin slapped him on the ass.

See, this can work both ways!!
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except I’m telling the truth.

Did you think republican women did not have abortions?

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

March 27th, 2013
4:14 pm

In “slip-and-slide” orgies, groups of male grey whales, one of the oldest species of mammals, roll in the ocean rubbing their bellies against each other so that their genitals are touching.

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

March 27th, 2013
4:14 pm

“Female kob perform oral sex on each other and even stroke each other’s vulvas with their forelegs. They may exhibit urolagnia during sex, one female will urinate while the other sticks her nose in the stream.

moonbat betty

March 27th, 2013
4:14 pm

Fred, ewww, that would be STD city!

I should have included Paris Hilton! dang…

Rob

March 27th, 2013
4:15 pm

GG,

Why are you suprised?

curious

March 27th, 2013
4:15 pm

It’s about:

Legal & Tax Equality.
A couple doesn’t have to get married in a Church or by a Preacher.
Regardless of anyone’s Religious beliefs, those beliefs aren’t required of someone else.

Either give same sex couples the legal protections and tax advantages enjoyed by traditionally married couples or or remove them.

Everybody has the same rules!

Peadawg

March 27th, 2013
4:15 pm

Now you’re getting creepy. Seriously, I’m not that into you. Go away.

Aquagirl

March 27th, 2013
4:15 pm

This animal thing is a stupid argument. Animals also eat their own feces and are often cannibals as well.

Sounds like a typical frat house.

Logical Dude

March 27th, 2013
4:15 pm

Weetamoe: “I am not much concerned about this issue except in cases where marriage is considered a sacrament and like baptism, confirmation, holy orders, etc.,”

In those cases, the churches can decide. In other cases, churches are not involved at all. Why use a restriction that a few churches observe to the population as a whole?

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

March 27th, 2013
4:15 pm

Sorry to be gross.

But that is what they do.

Granny Godzilla

March 27th, 2013
4:16 pm

moonbat

actually animals eat other animals feces for the nutrients that remain
in the stool.

Granny Godzilla

March 27th, 2013
4:16 pm

Rob

I just am.

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

March 27th, 2013
4:16 pm

Turns out the Giraffe is one of the gayest of mammals

Who knew ???

Oppressed Suth'ner

March 27th, 2013
4:17 pm

curious – what “tax advantages” are you talking about? 2 single people earning $100,000 pay less than a married couple earning $200,000.

Community Organizer (with-no-desire-to-govern, little-care-for-high-unemployment, no-talent-for-leadership,-zero-desire-to-compromise-and-a-lust-for-making-my-enemies-pay) Obama

March 27th, 2013
4:17 pm

Speaking in purely political terms, the best thing the Supreme Court could do for the future of the Republican Party is issue a sweeping ruling that gay marriage is a constitutionally protected right. By doing so, it would pretty much gut the issue as a point of political contention.

Jay,

Your lie above is practically self-evident, but for those igno-voters (and for your consternation) I will elaborate why. During election season, you and other liberals really seem to enjoy watching the GOP wrangle over abortion, which has been decided by the Supreme Court and over marriage, which has not.

It makes no difference to you, when it matters, what the circumstances surrounding SCOTUS action is concerned. Your mantra of mindlessly labeling conservative ideas as stupid will continue no matter the state of nine justices and their ruling. You will continue to feebly try and tag republican-conservative-stupid as long as you continue to write your sloppy prevarications. Your nonsense preaching about what is good for the GOP unfortunately becomes “news” to the igno-voter and gospel to other ideological leftists.

But from my point of view, as a republican, what is good for the country is what the GOP wants, and that ain’t encouraging gays, lesbians or frogs to obtain marriage licenses.

JamVet

March 27th, 2013
4:18 pm

Animals also eat their own feces and are often cannibals as well.

Yep, all completely natural. Ask a baby koala to NOT eat its mother’s green faecal pap…

That puritans and prudes are somehow offended by the natural and normal – including sometimes homosexual – behavior of people and other animals is interesting, but useless…

DannyX

March 27th, 2013
4:18 pm

What animals go to strip clubs and stuff dollar bills into a G-string?

moonbat betty

March 27th, 2013
4:18 pm

Granny,

Sorry, that wasn’t intentionally pointed at you. It was more of a dig at Kamchak and some of the others here that lambast anyone on the right stating something based on personal experience.

Oppressed Suth'ner

March 27th, 2013
4:18 pm

cheesy – giraffes can’t see that far down. case of mistaken identity.

dbm

March 27th, 2013
4:19 pm

JohnnyReb

March 27th, 2013
2:11 pm

A lot of people make the same mistake you do, thinking we need religion and/or the concept of God in order to have morality. You even have company on this blog, although they quibble with you about whether it should be religion or “God”.

Ayn Rand has disproven this. For more information, please read her book, The Virtue of Selfishness , especially the first chapter, “The Objectivist Ethics”.

moonbat betty

March 27th, 2013
4:20 pm

“Yep, all completely natural. Ask a baby koala to NOT eat its mother’s green faecal pap”

Hey JamVet, I’ll make you a nice sh*t sandwich for dinner, K?

Jefferson

March 27th, 2013
4:21 pm

What about the war on women new fronts opening up around the country ?

Fred ™

March 27th, 2013
4:21 pm

This animal thing is a stupid argument. Animals also eat their own feces and are often cannibals as well.

Sounds like a typical frat house.

Ok, THAT was funny, I don’t care who you are. And on that note I’m going to go start supper. Y’all be nice to each other.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFDSgcsqcOE

Logical Dude

March 27th, 2013
4:21 pm

Oppressed Suth’ner : what “tax advantages” are you talking about? ”

Do you even know the case that the Supreme Court is looking at?

“Windsor and Spyer finally married in 2007, when Spyer became seriously ill. When Spyer died in 2009, she left Windsor her estate. Because DOMA didn’t recognize their marriage — even though the state of New York did — the IRS hit Windsor with $363,053 in estate taxes.”:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57576588/supreme-court-skeptical-of-doma/

Bernie

March 27th, 2013
4:21 pm

Jay, This decision by SCOTUS, will be an example God’s good Humor for the Republican and Tea party members and their supporters.

Surely all of the Angels will be on the FLOOR ROLLING in Laughter. Fingers pointing with fits of screams of boisterous uncontrollable Laughter. Saying this for the all of the HATE and EVIL that you have harbored against another one, of my most precious CHILDREN!

Granny Godzilla

March 27th, 2013
4:21 pm

moonbat betty

March 27th, 2013
4:18 pm
Granny,

Sorry, that wasn’t intentionally pointed at you. It was more of a dig at Kamchak and some of the others here that lambast anyone on the right stating something based on personal experience.
.
.
.
No worries Betty didn’t think it was…

but the factoid about animal feces is true..

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 27th, 2013
4:22 pm

Yes, and Kamchak has had a 3 way with Madonna and Brittney Spears Doutzen Kroes and Candice Swanrpoel while Bristol Palin slapped him on the ass absolutely no ass slapping occurred.

No pictures or video available, Fred

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 27th, 2013
4:22 pm

close to 1,500 species, ranging from primates to gut worms, and is well documented for 500 of them.

Gut worms? How much was the government grant to study the sexual behavior of gut worms?

moonbat betty

March 27th, 2013
4:22 pm

“And on that note I’m going to go start supper. Y’all be nice to each other.”

Fred, I cooking for JamVet tonight…Care to join him? :)

joe

March 27th, 2013
4:22 pm

This has no bearing on the GOP “losing” in this decision…the supreme court should stay out of it and let the states decide…we’ve got enough problems that the court needs to deal with…social issues don’t have a place in the courts…let the people decide by votes. If the votes don’t go the way of gay marriage supporters, they shouldn’t have an option to sue or have the results overturned by the courts.

If people eventually vote for it…fine, but not until then should anything change.

DannyX

March 27th, 2013
4:22 pm

“curious – what “tax advantages” are you talking about? 2 single people earning $100,000 pay less than a married couple earning $200,000.”

Wow, Oppressed Suth’ner . Really??? Someone hasn’t paid attention the DOMA case the Supreme Court just heard arguments on. Do some basic research.

Oppressed Suth'ner

March 27th, 2013
4:25 pm

Kam – but was Bristol present?

Regnad Kcin

March 27th, 2013
4:25 pm

“So am I to belief everything on the internet?”

I read they can’t put it on the internet if it isn’t true…

TBS

March 27th, 2013
4:26 pm

“Animals also eat their own feces and are often cannibals as well.”

Why is it a stupid argument when countering someone that says homosexuality doesn’t occur elsewhere in nature? When in fact it does occur.

Granny Godzilla

March 27th, 2013
4:26 pm

“social issues don’t have a place in the courts…”

.
.
.
It burns deep in this one.

JamVet

March 27th, 2013
4:27 pm

betty, I think I’ve had a couple of those before. (Or was that Braunschweiger? LOL!)

curious

March 27th, 2013
4:27 pm

From Turbo Tax website:

1. Your spouse may be a tax shelter
2. Jobless spouse can have an IRA
3. Couples may “benefit-shop”
4. A married couple can get greater charitable contribution deductions
5. Marriage can protect the estate
6. Filing can take less time and expense

I’m sure there are many more.

Oppressed Suth'ner

March 27th, 2013
4:27 pm

Danny – why do you care? some evil rich person, with enough of an estate to tax in the first place – the government should get it all.

DannyX

March 27th, 2013
4:28 pm

“Kam – but was Bristol present?”

Bristol does have a life outside of her abstinence only work.

Rob

March 27th, 2013
4:28 pm

Betty,

Please make a sandwich for Cheesy as well! LMAO

TBS

March 27th, 2013
4:29 pm

moonbat

LOL at me. I posted the last part of your quote. Should have posted the first part

“This animal thing is a stupid argument.”

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 27th, 2013
4:29 pm

Kam – but was Bristol present?

She was present somewhere and in some form, (the principle of mass conservation guarantees that) she just wasn’t with me.

Welcome to the Occupation

March 27th, 2013
4:30 pm

All of this back and forth between conservatives and liberals here is a complete waste of time.

The attempt to ground homosexuality by referring to nature is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT because human sexuality is of a totally different order than the animal kingdom. Man, talk about going in circles.

moonbat betty

March 27th, 2013
4:31 pm

TBS, I don’t believe the original premise was that it does not occur elsewhere in nature.

curious

March 27th, 2013
4:31 pm

Oppressed Suth’ner

We already have enough problems without you giving Southerners a bad name.

DannyX

March 27th, 2013
4:32 pm

“some evil rich person, with enough of an estate to tax in the first place – the government should get it all.”

Oppressed Syth’ner, just admit you made a stupid comment and move on. The whole DOMA case centered on tax benefits but you played dumb.

Regnad Kcin

March 27th, 2013
4:32 pm

“social issues don’t have a place in the courts…”

…but civil rights issues do…

Oppressed Suth'ner

March 27th, 2013
4:32 pm

Huh? Care to elaborate?

moonbat betty

March 27th, 2013
4:33 pm

True, Welcome.

And human nature does not necessarily mirror animal nature.

Aquagirl

March 27th, 2013
4:34 pm

I read they can’t put it on the internet if it isn’t true…

Have I mentioned I’m a French model?

guy

March 27th, 2013
4:34 pm

Gay marriage is not normal nor is it right. Would I try to stop it? No. Do I care? Not enough to argue with or ridicule others. We all have our opinions and beliefs. People will do as they please anyway.

Oppressed Suth'ner

March 27th, 2013
4:36 pm

What was untrue about what I said? Do two single people each making $100,000 pay as much tax as a married couple making $200,000?

I must admit to being out of touch with current events over the last several months, and I was in “income tax mode”, and because estates have been non-taxable the last several years, I did not realize that was the “benefit” being described. Happy now?

The Sophist-icated Republican

March 27th, 2013
4:38 pm

Thirty-four percent of old farts will die off in ten years hence reducing the need for doctors by as much.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 27th, 2013
4:38 pm

Have I mentioned I’m a French model?

Louisa Nécib?

Ooh, la la!

Oppressed Suth'ner

March 27th, 2013
4:39 pm

TSR – no new births will occur eh?

St Simons- Cons - privatizimg the public & publicizing your privates since 1980

March 27th, 2013
4:40 pm

bonjour

if those gayyys are allowed to marry, it will destroy the solemn
sanctity of marriages like Britney Spears’ or K. Kardashian’s

TBS

March 27th, 2013
4:41 pm

moonbat

Maybe not today, but it has been stated on this blog numerous times by several bloggers who are opposed to gay marriage, homosexuality, etc.

St Simons- Cons - privatizimg the public & publicizing your privates since 1980

March 27th, 2013
4:43 pm

central heating & air are not natural, people – duh

indigo

March 27th, 2013
4:43 pm

Pedifiles have a deeply ingrained behavior pattern that psychologists say cannot be changed.

Psychologists also say homosexuality cannot be cured.

Pedifiles are breaking the law in engaging in sex with minors.

Gays were once breaking the law if caught engaging in homosexual behavior.

Now, gay sex is legal and many want gay marriage.

Can you say “slippery slope”?

Halftrack

March 27th, 2013
4:45 pm

A nation must maintain some morality laws to function properly. The nation that abandons the traditional definition of marriage is in the long run a doomed one. Also, if the Supreme Court rules a certain way, it will make all our churches criminals of discrimination. Yet, the Constitution, grants all citizens the right to freedom of religion. Do you want your favorite Constitutional right to be the next one that is trampled upon? Principles , Principles seem to be at a crossroad and the downfall of failing nation.

Regnad Kcin

March 27th, 2013
4:45 pm

Indigo – google the legal concept of “consent.” It will save us all a lot of silliness.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 27th, 2013
4:46 pm

Can you say “slippery slope” “does not apply”?

Marriage is a legal contract, and children cannot enter into a legal contract,

Sport.

skipper

March 27th, 2013
4:47 pm

moonbat betty,
Your post @ 4:09………….that sounds like fun……………….lucky guy!

Regnad Kcin

March 27th, 2013
4:47 pm

“The nation that abandons the traditional definition of marriage is in the long run a doomed one. Also, if the Supreme Court rules a certain way, it will make all our churches criminals of discrimination’

Halftrack -I don’t think you truly understand the issues, because your assertions are incorrect.

Aquagirl

March 27th, 2013
4:47 pm

Also, if the Supreme Court rules a certain way, it will make all our churches criminals of discrimination.

Criminals of Discrimination? Is that a new band?

TBS

March 27th, 2013
4:49 pm

“Pedifiles have a deeply ingrained behavior pattern that psychologists say cannot be changed.

Psychologists also say homosexuality cannot be cured.

Pedifiles are breaking the law in engaging in sex with minors.”

Do you equate pedophilia and homosexuality as one in the same? If not, why do you always bring them up in the same context?

Will there be more gays and pedophiles if the Supreme Court strikes down DOMA and Prop 8?

Joe Hussein Mama

March 27th, 2013
4:49 pm

Halftrack — “A nation must maintain some morality laws to function properly.”

Oh, we will. They just won’t be laws that necessarily comport with YOUR morality.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 27th, 2013
4:52 pm

Is that a new band?

Yep, fronted by Lindsay Lohan.

TBS

March 27th, 2013
4:52 pm

“A nation must maintain some morality laws to function properly.”

Are you saying that you will have an inclination to marry someone of the same sex if it is legal?

The Sophist-icated Republican

March 27th, 2013
4:52 pm

OS,

An NPG demographic analysis of age distribution, fertility, and mortality data shows that if there had been no immigration to the U.S. since 1990, the population in 2000 would have been 262 million–19 million less than the 281 million counted. Thus, post-1990 immigrants and their children accounted for 61 percent of population growth during the last decade.

So subtract out the old farts after the old farts pass legislation to get rid of those nasty immigrants and their chilluns and you’re pretty much at zero population growth.

Peter

March 27th, 2013
4:57 pm

Then the thousands of GOP men can come out of the closet !

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 27th, 2013
4:58 pm

Peter

March 27th, 2013
4:58 pm

“A nation must maintain some morality laws to function properly.”

I guess after the Iraq INVASION……. we see the consequences…..

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
4:59 pm

“supreme court should stay out of it and let the states decide”

The state have no authority to decide Federal policy. DOMA is a Federal law, not a state law

Jefferson

March 27th, 2013
5:00 pm

Something to think about….

Reasonable people can come to reasonable conclusions under reasonable conditions, unless you are a republican.

They just don’t seem to understand freedom, but talk about it a lot.

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
5:03 pm

“it will make all our churches criminals of discrimination”

Got proof?

PEW-eee!!

March 27th, 2013
5:06 pm

Okay – I have seen enough of these “SKEWED” polls – please! Everyone knows that these “ultra-liberal” pollsters are not seeing the “readl deal.” As stated and the whole country – including the pollsters – know this: Chick Fil A had their biggest money-making day when “everyone came out of the closet” to picket them – well that didn’t work!! (the MAJORITY spoke!!) Again…PROTECT OUR CHILDREN….

Our country is going to H _ _ _ in a handbasket!! And no, I am not a Republican, and No – I am not old!!

Our country was founded upon Christian principles and it should remain such. While religion was allowed and currently is allowed openly and freely for all beliefs – our country should never IMPOSE anything such as this onto the masses. Put it up for a vote and let’s see where it stands.

I have known several homosexuals – and none of them were “born” that way!! Indeed, they all say that is a huge farce in their community. That most of the time it is someone older and preys upon vulnerable people who are weak and draw them into that lifestyle. While I don’t know if this is true or not I do know one thing: These so called “surveys” are bogus. What happened with Chick Fil A? Chick Fil A had their most financially prosperous day during the so-called “Gay picketing Day against Chick Fil A.” America spoke! And there is no doubt that if this were put to a vote – nationwide – that homosexuals would lose!! Afterall they represent 3-5% max in this country.

There have already been many scientific and socio-economic studies completed proving that children are better raised by a “father and a mother.” Indeed, some gay men claim to be gay because “they had no father in their lives.”

My biggest concern is the children. Children do not ask to be born into this world and if we can give them the very best shot at a “wholesome great life” – then by golly they deserve it. Let homosexuals continue to live their sexual fantasies in the privacy of their own homes – as many others do I am sure. There is absolutely no need to put upon the rest of America – in your face – these events.

For something as serious as this I pray our Supreme Court decides against it – or at the very least tables it for a vote BY ALL AMERICANS!!

As far as equal rights goes – a huge number are indeed covered by their employer’s health care already – and no company may discriminate based on sex (those laws are in place). I have hired homosexuals numerous times and they deserve the same respect in the workplace as anyone else does. However, to push “their lifestyle” onto children and the general public is all out wrong. America is going to become another Sodom and Gomorrah. While, yes, that is just my opinion – then what is wrong with having a “National Vote” on this one???? I don’t believe 3-5% want that…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 27th, 2013
5:07 pm

Jefferson, you are wrong. They don’t talk about it. It must be screamed like each was William Wallace in a kilt with the arse hanging out. ;)

pogo

March 27th, 2013
5:07 pm

We are talking about a very small sliver of the national demographic so who really even cares? Let them get married. Let them get divorced. Who cares? We are trillions in debt, job opportunities that pay a decent wage are diminishing daily, the social safety nets are falling apart and this is all anyone has to worry about?

God, Americans really are spoiled. I think a lot of people in this country should be made to go to Madagascar (or a host of other countries) and see how they live and see if anyone in this country has any reason at all to complain. I have been there in the land of the boabab. What we and our decadent selves would consider abject poverty is everywhere but you know what, if you ask them if they are happy, they say yes. They work hard for something to eat and for a roof over their heads but their condition is fine to them. They can’t even fathom that their government should give them a living without putting forth any effort of their own because it will not and don’t expect them to. In fact, they think of people who are able to work but are unwilling to work as “malaina” who are not to be pitied but to be expunged from their society. Slackers are basically discarded by them. And for that, I admire those people. Most of Jay’s “all-dayers” here wouldn’t last long in Madagascar.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 27th, 2013
5:10 pm

Most of Jay’s “all-dayers” here wouldn’t last long in Madagascar.

A blogger here commenting on the blogging habits of others.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That is a joke that will never be not funny!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 27th, 2013
5:12 pm

Amazing how many of our posters know some homosexuals and seems none of them was ever born that way according to our posters. Do they all know the same group of homosexuals? Why aren’t these homosexuals talking about their “choice”? Where are the videos? :roll:

indigo

March 27th, 2013
5:12 pm

Regnad, TBS

It’s clear you have only a slight understanding of American social history and the law of unintended consequences.

Kamchak

The above goes double for you, sport model.

TBS

March 27th, 2013
5:14 pm

“It’s clear you have only a slight understanding of American social history and the law of unintended consequences.”

You completely ignored my questions. Is that do to your usual ignorance?

Save the home-schooled & Evangelical Christian diatribe. I know that is the best you can muster, but I don’t fit either category.

Now either answer the question or run along

Orange13

March 27th, 2013
5:15 pm

I agree with what Huckabee said (if Huckabee did indeed say it). If the Republican party endorses gay marriage they will indeed lose a lot of their voting base. Heck, they have lost quite a few due to caving on illegal immigration reform.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 27th, 2013
5:15 pm

day-o, all day-o
day-o’s come and cons wan’ go home
day-o, me say day-os
Posters at night all drink the rum
Day-os come and cons wan’ go home
Come Mister Pogo Man, tally me banana

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 27th, 2013
5:15 pm

The above goes double for you, sport model.

(Shrug)

Minors will still be unable to enter into a legal contract, no matter how many times you double down on the “unintended consequences” silliness.

Sport.

TBS

March 27th, 2013
5:16 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

March 27th, 2013
5:17 pm

PEW — “Okay – I have seen enough of these “SKEWED” polls – please! Everyone knows that these “ultra-liberal” pollsters are not seeing the “readl deal.”

“Everyone knows” is not evidentiary proof. And anyone who jabbers about “skewed polls” identifies him or herself as an uninformed idiot. Please go take at least two semesters of college-level Statistics before you presume to make assertions about polls and polling.

“Again…PROTECT OUR CHILDREN….”

From what?

“Our country is going to H _ _ _ in a handbasket!!”

In your opinion.

“Our country was founded upon Christian principles”

No, it wasn’t.

“our country should never IMPOSE anything such as this onto the masses.”

Nothing’s being imposed on you. Others are simply being formally granted their civil rights on a legal basis. Nothing more.

“Put it up for a vote and let’s see where it stands.”

We don’t put the civil rights of other Americans up for a vote in this country. Not even yours.

“I have known several homosexuals”

I think you’re lying.

“and none of them were “born” that way!!”

How would *you* know?

“There have already been many scientific and socio-economic studies completed proving that children are better raised by a “father and a mother.”

No, there haven’t. You’re either lying or else you’re misinformed.

The few credible and peer-reviewed studies out there address the presence of *two* ‘parents versus *one.* There are, as of yet, no credible, peer-reviewed studies that come to the conclusions you claim.

“There is absolutely no need to put upon the rest of America – in your face – these events.”

Grow the hell up. Other people exist — people who are different from you — and you might as well learn to live with it.

“then what is wrong with having a “National Vote” on this one???? I don’t believe 3-5% want that…”

Once again, we don’t put the civil rights of our fellow Americans up for popular vote. We’re better than that.

Well, *some* of us are better than that. I don’t think *you* are.

TBS

March 27th, 2013
5:17 pm

“If the Republican party endorses gay marriage they will indeed lose a lot of their voting base”

Who are they losing them to? Romney received more votes than Mccain did.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 27th, 2013
5:17 pm

Heck, they have lost quite a few due to caving on illegal immigration reform.

Reagan’s amnesty of 1986 says, “What?”

Thomas

March 27th, 2013
5:18 pm

I’m sure there are many more.

From Wiki- look hard for more but you may end up saying “I gotta rock”

The marriage penalty in the United States refers to the higher taxes required from some married couples, where spouses are making approximately the same taxable income, filing one tax return (”married filing jointly”) than for the same two people filing two separate tax returns if they were unmarried (i.e., filing as “single”, not “married filing separately”). The percentage of couples affected has varied over the years, depending on shifts in tax rates

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 27th, 2013
5:23 pm

Yes, and Kamchak has had a 3 way with Madonna and Brittney Spears while Bristol Palin slapped him on the ass.

Dang! I can’t even get a woman to look at me. That Kamchak’s a stud!

Orange13

March 27th, 2013
5:26 pm

The only people that support gay marriage are gays.

ann coulter's adams apple

March 27th, 2013
5:28 pm

thanks jay, thumping the hornet’s nest of the American Taliban is always entertaining. angry racist white dudes with culturally ingrained bigotry and xenophobia will never admit all persons are afforded equal treatment and basic human rights

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
5:28 pm

“The only people that support gay marriage are gays.”

Liar

willydoit?

March 27th, 2013
5:28 pm

Not allowing gay marriage is just gay!

ann coulter's adams apple

March 27th, 2013
5:28 pm

like the idiot orange 13

Brosephus™

March 27th, 2013
5:29 pm

Why limit it to just 2 consenting adults? Why shouldn’t three or more adults be able to enter in to any contract as long as the contract doesn’t impede/intrude on anyone else’s rights?

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Multiple sets of in-laws?????

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

TBS

March 27th, 2013
5:30 pm

“The only people that support gay marriage are gays.”

And now that you have received some attention (which you were seeking) for your stupidity , what is your next act?

ann coulter's adams apple

March 27th, 2013
5:32 pm

the gop’s days of winning elections simply by frothing up the uneducated bible belt white folks by yelling “god, guns, or gays” are over. diversity and intelligence has taken the nation, and will eventually overwhelm the racist south red states

Towncrier

March 27th, 2013
5:32 pm

“Seventy percent of those 32 and younger support gay marriage. A similar poll by the Washington Post found that 52 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents under 50 years of age support gay marriage.”

I guess that is in large part attributable to attendance at the Church of the Secular Progressive Idiot Box, preaching to you nightly in shows like “How I Met Your Mother”, “Two and a Half Men”, “The New Normal” and other “stellar”, quasi-Shakespearean productions.

The practice of homosexuality is either morally right or wrong. I am confident that as time goes on, people will see from practical experience that the great “progressive” social experiment with gay unions and child rearing will prove harmful to both our culture and our nation state (as well as the individuals involved). But for those who advocate for such things, I can only ask you what Jesus himself might ask you: “What does it profit a man to gain the whole world (much less a position as a columnist) and forfeit his very soul?”. Some people here have suggested that Jesus didn’t explicitly condemn homosexuality, He is really okay with it. Well, I guess by that logic you would also have to say He is okay with incest or rape, since he makes no mention of those things either (though he explicitly endorses EVERYTHING in the OT, including prohibitions against incest, rape and yes, homosexuality). Some people are confounded by the strict OT penalties for sexual sins, such as adultery, rape, homosexuality and beastiality: death. Perhaps it is because when the allowance of almost any sexual practice becomes the litmus test of the “soundness” of a nation, then a steep decline is just around the corner. If and when gay marriage becomes constitutionally protected, there are simply no real logical grounds for not extending the same protection to the practice of polygamy and who knows what else.

The great irony of all of this is, of course, were more and more people to become homosexual and be married, our nation would at some point falter if only because its mortality rate would greatly exceed its birth rate. We are already experiencing historically low birth rates and pity the person who doesn’t think that has any bearing on the future.

Brosephus™

March 27th, 2013
5:33 pm

Pedifiles???

What does files about shoes/feet have to do with this conversation?

TBS

March 27th, 2013
5:33 pm

TC

Maybe they “oversampled” that poll. You know like that oversampling bs you bought into before the election

just saying……… Maybe it isn’t that high of a percentage

Orange13

March 27th, 2013
5:34 pm

The problem with gay people is gay people.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 27th, 2013
5:35 pm

Brosephus, if you throw in the pedi egg, you are bringing in the War on Easter :D

TBS

March 27th, 2013
5:35 pm

“We are already experiencing historically low birth rates and pity the person who doesn’t think that has any bearing on the future.”

Gays have been around for awhile to say the least I doubt it has anything to do with the low birth rate nor can you substantiate it with any viable information.

Brosephus™

March 27th, 2013
5:36 pm

Keep

That made me lol…

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
5:37 pm

“Brosephus, if you throw in the pedi egg, you are bringing in the War on Easter ”

The thing is…I’ve never seen a file with toes. Am I missing something?

Bill Orvis White

March 27th, 2013
5:39 pm

It is a fact that traditional marriage and family have been attacked for the past 50 years thanks to the filthy vermin in the beatnik communities, the ACLU and the Hollyweird/(f)Arts worlds. The silent, moral majority of us in this once-free nation have been put out to pasture for our rightful, biblical views, Christ-centered lifestyles and adherence to The Ten Commandments. Yes, this silent, moral majority is known as WE THE PEOPLE. WE THE PEOPLE are those who believe in American Freedom, not those who believe in tearing the fabric of traditional marriage and family apart. WE THE PEOPLE have had a comfortable home in the rightful Republican Party since the time of the honorable President Ronald Wilson Reagan. We pray to continue our relationship with this rightful party and fight for the rights of traditional families, the unborn, low/no taxe$, Christian rights and no regulation.

Condoning sexual deviancy and debauchery is just like giving the green light to continuing the sin of abortion, committing heinous crimes and bestiality. If our Supreme Court condones this type of deviancy, then what is next down the pike? This is precisely why this once-free nation is in decline. This once-free nation has become a Marxist Mecca for sinners. We lost our way, folks!

Amen,
Bill

willydoit?

March 27th, 2013
5:39 pm

Let gay people marry each other…why the hell should straight people be the only ones that are miserable?

Brosephus™

March 27th, 2013
5:39 pm

“We are already experiencing historically low birth rates and pity the person who doesn’t think that has any bearing on the future.”

http://www.towleroad.com/2011/12/new-zealands-fertility-medicine-community-is-alarmed-by-conservative-christian-aid-worker-bill-johnson-a-former-gop-candidat.html

weetamoe

March 27th, 2013
5:39 pm

@ logical : My point is that certain churches should not be vulnerable to lawsuits. I speak as * Sacred Heart girl *—a label I share with Maria Shriver, Maureen Dowd, Caroline Kennedy, Kathleen Parker, Peggy Noonan, and others who like me may differ in many ways but are bound by a singular experience.

bman.

March 27th, 2013
5:39 pm

Marriage counselors are going to have to update their studies…

midtownguy

March 27th, 2013
5:40 pm

The line on the graph labeled “millennials” is the only one that matters. Prejudice and discrimination against gay citizens is “dying out” as my Grandmother would say (looks over at his partner who does somewhat resemble a ‘beast’ when he has his shirt off but I am quite certain he is over 21, and he is the only one I have).

Brosephus™

March 27th, 2013
5:41 pm

Doggone

A file about toes, not a file with toes. I was rifting on the necessity of spellcheck based on a previous post. Pedophile has become pedifile here on the blog.

alittlecommonsense

March 27th, 2013
5:41 pm

“best thing the Supreme Court could do for the future of the Republican Party is issue a sweeping ruling that gay marriage is a constitutionally protected right. By doing so, it would pretty much gut the issue as a point of political contention.”

Yep, just like abortion. Nobody ever talks about that anymore. Sorry, bad example.

Oppressed Suth'ner

March 27th, 2013
5:43 pm

“Pedifiles???

What does files about shoes/feet have to do with this conversation?”

Naw, thas whutcha use to trim yer fangernails and townails.

Towncrier

March 27th, 2013
5:43 pm

“The only people that support gay marriage are gays.”

Actually, I read an article recently that tied the increasing acceptance of gay marriage to increased exposure to pornography on the Internet. I think that makes perfect sense. People are hypocritical by nature, but many don’t really want to be. Why should some married guy looking at porn all the time find fault with homosexuality? He shouldn’t and many probably don’t. In a word, the increased laxity in sexual mores and the exaggerated promotion of sex in the movies, on television, in magazines and on the Internet over the past 50 years or so has gotten us to this point. This isn’t really a discovery of new truths, people. It’s more like cattle being herded to their slaughter.

Time will tell all. Remember what Jesus says: “Wisdom is proved right by her actions”. The corollary, one may deduce, is that folly is proved wrong by hers.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 27th, 2013
5:43 pm

low birth rates? So the concern is now that somehow the ever growing population of the planet will suddenly cease and we will have negative growth? Do you think we need to notify Zero-Population Growth or is it just that the “wrong people” have higher birth rates? :roll:

TBS

March 27th, 2013
5:45 pm

“Actually, I read an article recently that tied the increasing acceptance of gay marriage to increased exposure to pornography on the Internet. I think that makes perfect sense. ”

Let me guess. Yet another piece of information that can’t be substantiated except via a source that already had the narrative figured out before they did the article.

Dave

March 27th, 2013
5:46 pm

As is often the case, great thoughts and great writing.

Towncrier

March 27th, 2013
5:46 pm

“Yep, just like abortion. Nobody ever talks about that anymore.”

The aborted babies might have had something to say but…alas…they “terminated”. Maybe in the next life they will have their say. I wonder how many “Gosnels” are running around?

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/abortionist-joked-baby-big-enough-walk-around-me-or-walk-me-bus-stop

TBS

March 27th, 2013
5:47 pm

It is those conservative “closet types” that are fighting their inner demons that one must be leery of……..

As always, these discussions bring the Larry Craigs and Ted Haggards out of the Log Cabin…….. happens every time

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 27th, 2013
5:48 pm

The great irony of all of this is, of course, were more and more people to become homosexual and be married…

http://static1.firedoglake.com/29/files/2012/06/jesus_facepalm.jpg

bman.

March 27th, 2013
5:48 pm

“I read an article recently that tied the increasing acceptance of gay marriage to increased exposure to pornography on the Internet”

I think it’s more that people are sick and tired of hearing about it. If some kid is selling girl scout mint cookies, and knocks on my door day after day after day, I’m going to end up buying a box. .

I don’t even like those mint cookies.

Matti

March 27th, 2013
5:49 pm

midtownguy @ 5:40,

Awwww! That’s so sweet!

You’re right. The bigots are dying off. The millenials don’t stand for that kind of nonsense. Time marches on, and they win.

Uh Huh...........The devil loves nothing better than the intolerance of reformers

March 27th, 2013
5:49 pm

@Orange13

March 27th, 2013
5:34 pm
The problem with gay people is gay people.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

One should examine oneself for a very long time before thinking of condemning others.

Had we not faults of our own, we should take less pleasure in complaining of others.

Towncrier

March 27th, 2013
5:49 pm

“Let me guess. Yet another piece of information that can’t be substantiated except via a source that already had the narrative figured out before they did the article.”

I dunno. You tell me:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex/9849619/Gay-marriage-support-more-likely-from-straight-men-who-watch-porn.html

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 27th, 2013
5:50 pm

Actually, I read an article recently that tied the increasing acceptance of gay marriage to increased exposure to pornography on the Internet.

Actually, I read an article recently that said I was to be in the starting line-up in the first game of the final four.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 27th, 2013
5:51 pm

bman, inquiring girl scouts want you address. Would you please post.

Lynnie Gal

March 27th, 2013
5:51 pm

Larry Craig, Mark Foley, Ted Haggard–all Republicans, all gay, all acting weird because they can’t come out. Too bad.

td

March 27th, 2013
5:52 pm

So under the lefts thought process it is perfectly fine for the current administration to not enforce the law of the land (DOMA, Gun prosecutions when convicted felons attempt to buy guns and voter intimidation tactics by blacks) but they want to remove elected sheriffs when they even suggest to not enforce gun restrictions.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/law-would-fire-sheriffs-for-defying-gun-control-measures/article/2525518

bman.

March 27th, 2013
5:53 pm

“inquiring girl scouts want you address. Would you please post.”

at the Holiday Inn Express (Marietta)…with your wife

Orange13

March 27th, 2013
5:54 pm

Who did God place in The Garden of Eden?

Towncrier

March 27th, 2013
5:54 pm

Brosephus™

March 27th, 2013
5:39 pm

Geez. Politicians on both sides of the isle never cease to dismay and shock me. But to my point:

http://jonathanlast.com/what-to-expect-when-no-ones-expecting-2/

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 27th, 2013
5:55 pm

Ahh the anti-gay crowd is quick to bring up a single study as “proof” but climate change is still not proven. :roll: but hey, if heterosexual men watching porn means they adopt “individualistic, non-judgmental stances” on same sex marriage, so be it. For some GOP senators, it takes a family member but it could have been the porn too I guess.

TBS

March 27th, 2013
5:55 pm

TC

That article gave 2 or 2 lines to a “study” and you were sold?

Guess it met your narrative before you read it, huh?

It is ok TC.

Your feelings or lack of feeling in regards to marrying a man will not change regardless of the Supreme Court decision?

You will not be anymore or any less gay than you are now. No one is going to make you or anyone else marry someone of the same sex.
There will not be anymore gay people if the rulings go in favor of those who are good with gay being married.

It is going to be ok buddy

Matti

March 27th, 2013
5:55 pm

I was straight-married, and well… it kinda sucked. I think a successful marriage is an awesome thing, and if people want to try, then they have that right. Trying is the first step to success, and denying people a chance to do that, well, that’s just UN-American. I hope the Supremes will agree that we should all try to be American about this.

TBS

March 27th, 2013
5:56 pm

“Who did God place in The Garden of Eden?”

The devil in form of a snake?

TBS

March 27th, 2013
5:56 pm

*2 or 3 lines

Oppressed Suth'ner

March 27th, 2013
5:57 pm

” I hope the Supremes will agree that we should all try to be American about this.”

Diana Ross will decide your fate. Next.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 27th, 2013
5:57 pm

at the Holiday Inn Express (Marietta)…with your wife

Well I certainly glad the gonorrhea from her last sleaze night is not an issue for you.

td

March 27th, 2013
5:58 pm

Justice Sotomayor asks Ted Olson (p. 46):

” Mr. Olson, the bottom line that you’re being asked — and — and it is one that I’m interested in the answer: If you say that marriage is a fundamental right, what State restrictions could ever exist? Meaning, what State restrictions with respect to the number of people, with respect to — that could get married — the incest laws, the mother and child, assuming that they are the age — I can — I can accept that the State has probably an overbearing interest on — on protecting a child until they’re of age to marry, but what’s left?”

In other words that slippery slop to polygamy is very close behind gay marriage on the same merits of the argument.

bman.

March 27th, 2013
5:59 pm

Keep Up … … hahahaha it’s rare that you say something funny. Nice job !

Joe Hussein Mama

March 27th, 2013
5:59 pm

KUTGF — “low birth rates? So the concern is now that somehow the ever growing population of the planet will suddenly cease and we will have negative growth?”

I know, right? It’s like f**king is a commodity that exists only in a fixed quantity, and so the more sex teh g@yz0rz have, the less there is left on the platter for straight people. :roll:

Why, if we don’t outlaw RU-486 and those nasty little rubber thingees, even spring-breaking college students won’t be able to keep up with the shortage in good old hetero procreative screwing.

Logical Dude

March 27th, 2013
5:59 pm

“Pedifiles”

Now, let’s not get on someone just for mispelling. Misspelling. not typing a word correctly.

Towncrier

March 27th, 2013
6:00 pm

“Gays have been around for awhile to say the least I doubt it has anything to do with the low birth rate nor can you substantiate it with any viable information.”

I would agree that they have had little to do with the current low birth rate. But homosexuality as a practice can obviously decrease or increase. Say it double in the next generation. Then, it may well start to matter. Unless, of course, homosexuals force themselves to engage in heterosexual sex for the “survival of the species”. How ironic and un-Darwninian that would be.

DannyX

March 27th, 2013
6:01 pm

“Actually, I read an article recently that tied the increasing acceptance of gay marriage to increased exposure to pornography on the Internet”

Face-palm on aisle 5. Can we get a face-palm on aisle 5?

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 27th, 2013
6:03 pm

Well, I sure wish this Bill Orvis White would stop doing his parody of me.

GT

March 27th, 2013
6:03 pm

In the 1950s the Democrats were handicapped by the bigotry of the south, now it is the Republicans. They just keep trading this cheap vote that ask nothing in return but to be able to hate and still call themselves Christians. They always are able to redefine their hatred like an alcoholic calling himself a social drinker, but who are they fooling? State’s rights, family values, all lead to the same muddy road. When you look at the soul of our poverty here in the south you will see that sold out cheap voters lead us there.

TBS

March 27th, 2013
6:03 pm

“I would agree that they have had little to do with the current low birth rate.”

But you already stated that they did. You are all over the place. No one is going to make you marry a man. If you do, that will be of your own choosing.

Logical Dude

March 27th, 2013
6:04 pm

“I read an article recently that tied the increasing acceptance of gay marriage to increased exposure to pornography on the Internet”

Well, there seems to be a lot of girl-girl. . . umm, I mean. I HEAR there’s a lot of. . .

Nevermind.

midtownguy

March 27th, 2013
6:05 pm

Matti, the Millennials don’t put up with a lot. Have you ever noticed that Racism/Sexism/Homophobia go hand in hand? The same people who think gays shouldn’t get married, in their heat of hearts believe “a woman’s place is in the home” and that racial integration is what lead to the decline of the public schools and cities.

Since our founding America has been under the control of white, straight, christian, men. Some see that control slipping away and it scares the pants off of them.

Oppressed Suth'ner

March 27th, 2013
6:08 pm

“Matti, the Millennials don’t put up with a lot. Have you ever noticed that Racism/Sexism/Homophobia go hand in hand? The same people who think gays shouldn’t get married, in their heat of hearts believe “a woman’s place is in the home” and that racial integration is what lead to the decline of the public schools and cities.

Since our founding America has been under the control of white, straight, christian, men. Some see that control slipping away and it scares the pants off of them.”

Got stereotypin’?

Towncrier

March 27th, 2013
6:08 pm

“It is going to be ok buddy”

Orville to Wilbur in 1906: “But aren’t you afraid that airplanes might be used for evil purposes, like dropping explosives on innocent people”?

Wilbur: “No, it’s going to be okay buddy.”

Truman in 1945: “Proceed.”

bman.

March 27th, 2013
6:09 pm

“The same people who think gays shouldn’t get married, in their heat of hearts believe “a woman’s place is in the home” and that racial integration is what lead to the decline of the public schools and cities.”

That’s a whole lot of dumb in one sentence. Maybe if you changed up a few words?

Towncrier

March 27th, 2013
6:09 pm

“But you already stated that they did. You are all over the place.”

Where?

Dave

March 27th, 2013
6:09 pm

Towncrier, I haven’t read much of the comments above; but, I don’t understand your point about the incidence of “gayness.” If it goes up, there are still straight people to procreate. Not enough in your view? Too soon there will be none? They will all quit having sex and babies out of some angst and gay people will have to have sex with the other sex, taking one for the team of humans?

Aquagirl

March 27th, 2013
6:10 pm

Can we get a face-palm on aisle 5?

No, but I’ll give you a quote from the author of that study:

“It’s very easy if you want to support one side or the other, to pull a particular study,” said Paul Wright, an assistant professor of telecommunications at Indiana University, Bloomington, who has studied sex in the media. “Anybody can support one side or another by simply isolating a particular study and talking about it.”

http://www.livescience.com/19251-pornography-effects-santorum.html

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
6:10 pm

“Who did God place in The Garden of Eden?”

No one

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 27th, 2013
6:10 pm

A Tucson, Arizona affiliate of the Armed Citizen Project will spend $12,000 on a new charitable initiative: handing out free shotguns in neighborhoods with high crime rates. According to the head of the Tucson initiative, an armed citizenry is the sensible solution to an underfunded police department facing budget cuts.

Well this is sure to go well. :roll:

td

March 27th, 2013
6:10 pm

I am betting that most of the progressives on this blog would find no correlation between your views on no consequences in sex and the spread of STD’s, There are reasons our forefathers said some actions are sins.

“(CNSNews.com) – According to new data released by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, there were 19.7 million new venereal infections in the United States in 2008, bringing the total number of existing sexually transmitted infections (STIs) in the U.S. at that time to 110,197,000.

The 19.7 million new STIs in 2008 vastly outpaced the new jobs and college graduates created in the United States that year or any other year on record, according to government data. The competition was not close.”

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/cdc-110197000-venereal-infections-us-nation-creating-new-stis-faster-new-jobs-or

midtownguy

March 27th, 2013
6:11 pm

Many of my gay friends have their own biological children and they never had sex with a woman. It is no longer necessary to have sex to make a child that is biologically yours. Lesbian women have children for gay men all the time.

Here is how it goes. Two gay couples pair off male/male, female/female. They make four babies through artificial insemination. Each couple keeps two each. Voila!

It is invisible because to the courts and public records it is simply “single birth, father takes custody, no child support requested” and “single birth, mother takes custody, no child support requested.” The sexuality of the parents is not part of the public record.

Orange13

March 27th, 2013
6:12 pm

Gay marriage is an Obamanation.

TBS

March 27th, 2013
6:13 pm

TC

My apologies. You didn’t say that. Below is the quote from your post.

“The great irony of all of this is, of course, were more and more people to become homosexual and be married, our nation would at some point falter if only because its mortality rate would greatly exceed its birth rate. We are already experiencing historically low birth rates and pity the person who doesn’t think that has any bearing on the future.”

Can you tell me what you are implying?

Also, how would gays being able to marry equate to more gays? Is that what some people are waiting for so they can be gay?

td

March 27th, 2013
6:16 pm

midtownguy

March 27th, 2013
6:11 pm

“It is invisible because to the courts and public records it is simply “single birth, father takes custody, no child support requested”

Do not believe this one since in the state of Georgia it is considered “in the best interest of the Child” to be supported by both biological parents.

If either of these couple ever went of public benefits then the Child support office would be bringing a case against the other bio parent.

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
6:16 pm

“Also, how would gays being able to marry equate to more gays? Is that what some people are waiting for so they can be gay?”

Slippery slopes come in lots of forms!

Matti

March 27th, 2013
6:16 pm

“In other words that slippery slop to polygamy is very close behind gay marriage on the same merits of the argument.”

That should be AWESOME news to the conservative, right-wing married suburban men who are always looking for a lil sumpthin sumpthin on the side!

Towncrier

March 27th, 2013
6:18 pm

“Towncrier, I haven’t read much of the comments above; but, I don’t understand your point about the incidence of “gayness.” If it goes up, there are still straight people to procreate. Not enough in your view?”

I hadn’t really given much thought at all to our historic birth rates until I saw Jonathan Last interviewed for about an hour on (I think) PBS concerning his published findings in a book he recently wrote. He is a sharp cookie and seems to be a nice guy. Here is a link to his website:

http://jonathanlast.com/

You can Google the interview.

F. Sinkwich

March 27th, 2013
6:18 pm

SCOTUS will not make the same mistake as they did with Roe. I expect a narrow decision limited to the liberal California (motto: Detroit of the West).

TBS

March 27th, 2013
6:20 pm

Doggone

The slopes are getting so slippery that some of these folks are going to have to have skis or maybe even a snowmobile to get out of their drive way.

Dave

March 27th, 2013
6:22 pm

Towncrier, I’ll skip the link. Last I heard gay people are under 5% of the population, it will be sometime before they somehow take over and our planet is a green habitat for the birds and bees. Good fodder for a science fiction writer though.

Towncrier

March 27th, 2013
6:23 pm

“Can you tell me what you are implying?”

Hypothetically, if the number of gays dramatically increased in the next generation or so, then unless extraordinary measures are taken (such as gays acting straight just in order to procreate or babies for gays all being conceived by in vitro fertilisation), I can imagine the birth rate zeroing out or becoming negative.

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
6:23 pm

“The slopes are getting so slippery that some of these folks are going to have to have skis or maybe even a snowmobile to get out of their drive way.”

It’s a fascinating insight into what some people group together in their minds though

Matti

March 27th, 2013
6:24 pm

midtownguy,

Yep. It’s scares ‘em so bad they DO try to drop their pants. They’re all over the internet looking for liberal women who will accommodate them, so they can prove they’re not scared.

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
6:25 pm

“Hypothetically, if the number of gays dramatically increased in the next generation or so”

Just out of curiosity, by what fantastic mechanism do you envision such a huge increase of gays in only one generation?

Towncrier

March 27th, 2013
6:25 pm

“Towncrier, I’ll skip the link.”

Last’s book has nothing (AFAIK) to say about gay marriage. It is about globally declining birth rates and the possibly very scary implications of that. You are cheating yourself I think.

TBS

March 27th, 2013
6:27 pm

TC

Hypothetically? You thought of this because why? And do you have some basis for it?

midtownguy

March 27th, 2013
6:27 pm

td that could happen. But in the cases I know personally, we are talking about upper middle class couples. They even have joint custody or significant visitation rights. But the custodial parent could sue for child support if he/she so choose.

The other way is to find a sperm donor for the female couples and a surrogate for the male couples. Point is, lots of ways to make a baby these days without traditional marriage or heterosexual sex.

GT

March 27th, 2013
6:28 pm

Marriage of any sex is about sex period. I couldn’t bring a girl to my parent’s home during college and sleep with her because my parents didn’t want that going on under their roof. Once I got married I could bring the woman I married there and have sex with her, but not her sister. Nothing to do with family or having children, the sex part was the hangup. Putting all sex under the same umbrella of morality outside a few mislead Christians is a very civilized idea.

Brosephus™

March 27th, 2013
6:29 pm

So under the lefts thought process it is perfectly fine for the current administration to not enforce the law of the land (DOMA, Gun prosecutions when convicted felons attempt to buy guns and voter intimidation tactics by blacks)

An Orleans Parish judge on Thursday ruled that the state statute forbidding certain felons from possessing firearms is unconstitutional, in the wake of a constitutional amendment passed last year that made the right to bear arms a fundamental one in Louisiana…

Derbigny ruled that the entire statute — RS 14:95.1 — was unconstitutional after voters last year approved by a sweeping majority a constitutional amendment backed by the National Rifle Association. That bill made gun ownership a “fundamental right,” on the same level as freedom of speech or religion.

A court interpreting any law restricting a fundamental right — as gun ownership is now considered — must approach it with “strict scrutiny,” the highest level of judicial scrutiny.

[...]

State Sen. Neil Riser, a Republican from Caldwell Parish who sponsored the bill, and state Sen. A.G. Crowe, a Slidell Republican who co-sponsored it, did not reply to requests for comment on how broadly they meant for the bill to be interpreted.

The National Rifle Association also did not respond to inquiries about its position on felons’ rights to own firearms.

[...]

Gov. Bobby Jindal wrote an op-ed too, but his exhorted voters to pass the amendment, which he described as “an ironclad guarantee of freedom here in Louisiana.”

If I were a “conservative”, I would just shut up about anything dealing with convicted felons and guns. Just sayin’

Brosephus™

March 27th, 2013
6:29 pm

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
6:30 pm

“Marriage of any sex is about sex period”

Not legally it isn’t. You can have a completely legal marriage without sex, and without love for that matter.

Brosephus™

March 27th, 2013
6:32 pm

Towncrier: But to my point:

And that point is moot as long as fertility clinics exist. Are you suggesting that all fertility treatments be outlawed? Two gay men can donate sperm to two lesbians and create two or more babies. Being gay doesn’t alter one’s fertility to the point where they can’t reproduce.

Welcome to the Occupation

March 27th, 2013
6:32 pm

As far as equal rights goes ….I have hired homosexuals numerous times and they deserve the same respect in the workplace as anyone else does. However, to push “their lifestyle” onto children and the general public is all out wrong. America is going to become another Sodom and Gomorrah”

But that’s just the thing. The only reason you don’t think of heterosexual marriage as a “lifestyle” is because it enjoys the status of being normative and is beyond question. Homosexual relationships thus by definition are defined as deviant.

What has happened is nothing short of an earthquake in sexual moral matters because what was once deemed an “abomination” is now going to be granted equal status next to heterosexual sexuality, just the same as white skin now – at least according to the law – no longer enjoys a status of the default position from which all others are looked at as departing from.

So yes, of course the homosexual “lifestyle” is now going to be “imposed” in the sense that it can no longer be driven out of the public sphere as deviant and degenerate and inferior or whatever. It will of course have to earn a place based on what it turns out to actually be in practice, but now at least in terms of legality it is going to have the chance to demonstrate that it was not branded as degenerate because it really was degenerate, but because it was necessary according to some social ideology to brand it such in an attempt to lift up heterosexuality to an unquestionable status of a norm.

Towncrier

March 27th, 2013
6:33 pm

“Just out of curiosity, by what fantastic mechanism do you envision such a huge increase of gays in only one generation?”

You must not be a student of history. Hardly anyone clearly “envisions” the often surprising and even horrific developments that occur in history. Did not the 20th century teach you anything? Just because YOU can’t imagine it, doesn’t mean it isn’t possible.

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (aka "Knuckle-Dragger")

March 27th, 2013
6:36 pm

Not surprising a group of folks that reelected the imperial viceroy thinks homosexual marriage is OK.

I believe it was one of your guys, Moynihan, if I remember correctly, that talked about “defining deviancy down”. He was certainly prescient.

It will be funny, in a profoundly sad sort of way, to watch y’all lobby for all manner of other perversions in the coming years as these groups demand to be embraced also.

As for the Republicans, if they go for this, they will cease to exist on the national level. If voters stayed home for Romney, they will stay home for this. Republicans will hold out in various states until y’all can get enough folks on food stamps and/or illegal aliens in a particular state to flip it.

Proverbs 14:12 Sin is never a popular topic for discussion.

Real Scootter

March 27th, 2013
6:37 pm

The slopes are getting so slippery that some of these folks are going to have to have skis or maybe even a snowmobile to get out of their drive way.

TBS,where the heck are you? I’m in the South and that slope would require either cleats or a 4X4 cause of the red clay! :lol:

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
6:37 pm

“Hardly anyone clearly “envisions” the often surprising and even horrific developments that occur in history”

Or it’s just that you’re so afraid of gays that your slippery slope just got exponentially steeper.

TBS

March 27th, 2013
6:38 pm

“Just because YOU can’t imagine it, doesn’t mean it isn’t possible.”

Scout: If you check in, we have another blogger vying to take your “Rabbit Hole” crown…………………. You are going to need some good spamming to stay on top of this fierce competition…..

Towncrier

March 27th, 2013
6:39 pm

“And that point is moot as long as fertility clinics exist. Are you suggesting that all fertility treatments be outlawed? Two gay men can donate sperm to two lesbians and create two or more babies. Being gay doesn’t alter one’s fertility to the point where they can’t reproduce.”

I think the current cost is prohibitively high. As a Christian, I would advocate for outlawing homosexual marriages and parenting. I certainly would not advocate for the opposite.

“He who is not for me is against me.”

“Whoever knows and obeys my commandments is the person who loves me.”

TBS

March 27th, 2013
6:39 pm

Real

I hear ya but we have some slippery slopes being created here. If nothing else, global warming is being debunked………….

:-)

TBS

March 27th, 2013
6:41 pm

“As a Christian, I would advocate for outlawing homosexual marriages and parenting. I certainly would not advocate for the opposite”

You are well within your rights to believe and advocate as you wish. However that doesn’t in itself say something should be or not be.

Towncrier

March 27th, 2013
6:41 pm

I’m out and off to church. Goodnight all.

Orange13

March 27th, 2013
6:43 pm

Matti

March 27th, 2013
6:44 pm

“As a Christian, I would advocate for outlawing homosexual marriages and parenting.”

The Taliban called to offer you a job. I told them to add another 20% to the salary to increase the chances you’ll take it and get your theocratic, church-rule behind out of America where people have rights. You’ll be happier there. It’s for the best.

BSNBC

March 27th, 2013
6:47 pm

Blacks and Latinos do NOT support gay marriage!

Real Scootter

March 27th, 2013
6:49 pm

I hear ya but we have some slippery slopes being created here. If nothing else, global warming is being debunked………….

ROFLMAO TBS!!!!

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
6:50 pm

“Blacks and Latinos do NOT support gay marriage!”

Which are you?

midtownguy

March 27th, 2013
6:52 pm

That is bringing back nightmares of rural, south Georgia religious fundamentalism where “wednesday night prayer meeting” is the norm. Which is why, at age 18, I ran my gay self to Atlanta as quickly as possible and became an Episcopalian.

Brosephus™

March 27th, 2013
6:53 pm

I think the current cost is prohibitively high. As a Christian, I would advocate for outlawing homosexual marriages and parenting. I certainly would not advocate for the opposite.

I think you don’t really know about costs worldwide.

http://www.visitandcare.com/news/medical-tourism/ivf-costs-from-around-the-world

It is not hard to understand why fertility clinics are popular among UK and European fertility patients. India was the second country in the world to achieve a successful pregnancy with IVF, only a couple of months after the UK in 1978. In India many IVF experts were trained and practiced fertility care in the West and are fluent in English.

The average cost of IVF in India ranges between USD 2,331 to USD 6,900.

You have all the right to advocate for whatever you wish. Advocation, however, is not a testament to infalliable truth. As a Christian, you should cherish your personal relationship with God. You should also understand that people here have the right to worship their God whether he’s the same as yours or not. If you will not accept Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, or Wiccans forcing their beliefs on you, you should not try to force yours on them.

Brosephus™

March 27th, 2013
6:54 pm

Blacks and Latinos do NOT support gay marriage!

Sorry homie, but you don’t speak for me.

Welcome to the Occupation

March 27th, 2013
6:54 pm

Towncrier: “As a Christian, I would advocate for outlawing homosexual marriages and parenting”

Well it has been outlawed, by default, for time immemorial.

But unlucky for you, you happened to be alive when all that changed.

Real Scootter

March 27th, 2013
6:55 pm

Blacks and Latinos do NOT support gay marriage

Not even the Gay ones? :shock:

TBS

March 27th, 2013
7:01 pm

“Blacks and Latinos do NOT support gay marriage

Not even the Gay ones?”

Funniest post of the day

LMAO………
hahahahahah

midtownguy

March 27th, 2013
7:02 pm

RIcky Martin doesn’t support gay marriage? I’m shocked.

TBS

March 27th, 2013
7:04 pm

“Blacks and Latinos do NOT support gay marriage”

Rupaul says “what”……….

JamVet

March 27th, 2013
7:08 pm

Who did god put in the Garden of Eden?

I believe it was Bob Hope and Dorothy Lamour. (Don’t ask about Bing, he was kinda kinky!)

midtownguy

March 27th, 2013
7:13 pm

You should also understand that people here have the right to worship their God whether he’s the same as yours or not. If you will not accept Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, or Wiccans forcing their beliefs on you, you should not try to force yours on them.

AMEN. They don’t just “force” they “legislate.” Gay marriage aside, why can’t I go to the Wine Shop and buy a bottle of Chardonnay at 9:00 AM on Sunday Morning?

skydog

March 27th, 2013
7:16 pm

“beatnik communities”
Orvis is a caveman ain`t he?

Maynard G Cribbs forever!

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
7:18 pm

“AMEN. They don’t just “force” they “legislate.” Gay marriage aside, why can’t I go to the Wine Shop and buy a bottle of Chardonnay at 9:00 AM on Sunday Morning?”

Because a lightening bolt will come out of the sky and strike THEM dead?

LUCIFER

March 27th, 2013
7:20 pm

Let ‘em squirm!!

Orange13

March 27th, 2013
7:21 pm

Keep DOMA intact! It’s the right thing to do!

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
7:24 pm

“Keep DOMA intact! It’s the right thing to do!”

Yep, it most definitely IS the “RIGHT” thing to do.

Orange13

March 27th, 2013
7:30 pm

Hey Libs, how is your paychecks looking now

March 27th, 2013
7:31 pm

Hey Jay,

No one really cares about polls except the political pundits on both sides of the aisle. People under the age of clueless “young” people support gay marriage. Why not this group supports whatever and however their emotional dribble takes them. It sad to see this gay issue such a topic, if they want to have the face of our Creator turn his back to them and remember then no more, so be it!!!!

JamVet

March 27th, 2013
7:35 pm

skydog,

Bill O W is not one of your Johnny-come-lately wacko birds (hat tip, John McCain). That guy has been a full blown crank since 1953!

Homo-hating is just another way that the cons show their amazing ugliness…

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
7:36 pm

“It sad to see this gay issue such a topic, if they want to have the face of our Creator turn his back to them and remember then no more, so be it!!!!”

And what if MY creator is not the same as YOUR creator?

kayaker 71

March 27th, 2013
7:39 pm

The same 20 somethings who supported outsourcing the sequestor to Portugal in Kimmel’s video are the same ones who currently support gay marriage. This issue has no place in the Federal court system, especially the Supreme Court. It is a state’s issue, not a federal one. The only federal issue is whether or not a partner or “spouse” can collect federal benefits as a result of “marriage”. The federal government does not issue marriage licenses…. the individual states do. The people of CA spoke their mind in the gay mecca of the West and defeated gay marriage. So be it.

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
7:41 pm

“It is a state’s issue, not a federal one”

Wrong. DOMA is a FEDERAL LAW, not a state law.

JamVet

March 27th, 2013
7:43 pm

Famed civil-liberties attorney Alan Dershowitz says no matter what the U.S. Supreme Court decides on the issue of same-sex marriage, the rights of gays and lesbians across the country can no longer be held back.

“The arguments made yesterday and today don’t matter very much. The trend toward equality for gays is unstoppable, it’s going to happen,’’ Dershowitz told Newsmax TV’s “The Steve Malzberg Show.’’

“The law has to change with the times, it has to recognize the reality that different attitudes . . . change what the Equal Protection Clause means.’’

Dershowitz, a veteran law professor at Harvard University, said he predicts the Supreme Court will strike down the Defense of Marriage without even mentioning gays.

“They’ll do that on federalism grounds. They’ll say — and conservatives might join in here — they’ll say where does the federal government come off deciding what constitutes marriage?’’ Dershowitz said.

“Marriage has always been left to the states. The framers of the Constitution would be rolling over in their graves . . . that there was a federal statute regulating marriage? That’s absurd. So that will be struck down.’’

He said he see many states “joining what looks like a trend toward allowing either gay marriage or gay civil union or some form of equality — and the Supreme Court decision will be a footnote in history.’’

Hey Libs, how is your paychecks looking now

March 27th, 2013
7:43 pm

DoggoneGa,

Many will hear but few will follow. Prophetic I know but real is real!

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
7:45 pm

“Many will hear but few will follow”

You know you’ve made your God in your image when your God hates the same people you do.

JamVet

March 27th, 2013
7:46 pm

NBC newswomen Jenna Wolfe and Stephanie Gosk dropped a pair of stunning personal bombshells on Wednesday — they came out of the closet as a lesbian couple and revealed they are having a baby together.

Wolfe told People that after she and Gosk, who’ve dated for three years, decided to start a family, she underwent artificial insemination.

Hey Libs, how is your paychecks looking now

March 27th, 2013
7:50 pm

DoggoneGa,

My God doesn’t hate anyone. Yours truly doesn’t hate gays either. Sad….hate, no.

I am sad for spouses that cheat…

Again its just my opinion, isn’t that what this “open” forum is all about?

Erwin's cat

March 27th, 2013
7:53 pm

Many will hear but few will follow

more like….Many will follow but few will hear

kayaker 71

March 27th, 2013
7:56 pm

DOMA was originally acted upon and passed by both houses of Congress and signed by Slick Willy to deny benefits to any union between same gender partners. It did not specifically deny the applicants right to marry….. only that federal benefits would not be available to partners of this kind of union. In addition, the issue of one state determining the outcome of laws in another state was paramount. Just because MA allows gays to marry, that does not meant that Texas must recognize the marriage if their laws prohibit it. Most of this issue revolves around the money issues associated with a marriage or union, ie Social Security, insurance, survival benefits, those left in possible probate.

DemWOP

March 27th, 2013
7:57 pm

Leave it to gays to be behind in the times. Fewer and fewer people are getting married today.

The best sign I saw at the D.C. rally was “Marriage needs to be reformed, not redefined.”

td

March 27th, 2013
7:59 pm

Just finished listening to several commentators on both sides of the issue on MSNBC and Fox. It appears the consensus is that the court is favoring marriage as a states rights issue and will rule that way.

They believe the part in DOMA about the Feds defining marriage will be struck down but the part about states having to honor what others states do with marriage will be upheld. In other words if NY allows same sex marriage then Georgia will not have to honor the marriage unless they choose to allow same sex marriage as a state.

The consensus about Prop 8 is that the court will write a narrow decision that allows same sex marriage to stand only in California without addressing the equal protection claim.

Erwin's cat

March 27th, 2013
8:00 pm

As someone who leans “right” i don’t understand why the Reps don’t approve of it…from a family values perspective it “should” fit the agenda

Recon 0311 2533

March 27th, 2013
8:03 pm

Ashley Judd announces that she won’t be running against Mitch as her family is more important. Translated, she know that her liberal Democrat Hollywood ideology doesn’t play very well in Kentucky.

Scratch It

March 27th, 2013
8:05 pm

Aside from the condescending title jay we won’t try and pray it away. It is a deviant, repulsive, impulse behavior that normal society should never accept. The disease homosexuals carry and transmit doesn’t seem to concern libs like you. Seems you people just want to spit in the eye at traditional minded people at every turn when it comes to issues such as this. The SC decision may surprise you….

TBS

March 27th, 2013
8:05 pm

td

You could be correct. However I remember the anticipation of the ACA being ruled unconstitutional and we know how that turned out.

With that said, I don’t think there will be a broad ruling at this time that states gays can marry in any state

Scratch It

March 27th, 2013
8:06 pm

Recon 0311 2533

Ashley Judd announces that she won’t be running against Mitch as her family is more important. Translated, she know that her liberal Democrat Hollywood ideology doesn’t play very well in Kentucky.

Dang!!! This would have been another Alvin Greene moment for the dems. Of course she’s actually a celebrity and good looking but as far as brains she probably wouldn’t have as much…

kayaker 71

March 27th, 2013
8:06 pm

Scout, 8:03,

From what you read, it wasn’t a decision that was hers to make. Many think that the Kentucky Demo party and the National organization recognized a loser when they say one and she was “convinced” to bow out.

TBS

March 27th, 2013
8:08 pm

“Ashley Judd announces that she won’t be running against Mitch as her family is more important. Translated, she know that her liberal Democrat Hollywood ideology doesn’t play very well in Kentucky.”

No huge surprise. She didn’t stand much of a chance. An article in Politico a few weeks ago stated that the “Big Donors” that would possibly be helping fund her campaign were already looking elsewhere.

TBS

March 27th, 2013
8:08 pm

kayaker @ 8:06

exactly

td

March 27th, 2013
8:10 pm

TBS

March 27th, 2013
8:05 pm

td

You could be correct. However I remember the anticipation of the ACA being ruled unconstitutional and we know how that turned out.

With that said, I don’t think there will be a broad ruling at this time that states gays can marry in any state

It is not my opinion but rather the opinions of a large majority of the talking heads from both political prospectives.

As far as the ACA, the mandate was declared unconstitutional as well as the Federal government mandating to the states that they must expand Medicaid. The only reason the law is intact is because Roberts found that Obama really meant tax instead of mandate. .

Recon 0311 2533

March 27th, 2013
8:10 pm

Scratch, Yeah… Hollywood cutey yes, Senate material, no way.

K-71, It may have went down that way.

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
8:11 pm

“As someone who leans “right” i don’t understand why the Reps don’t approve of it…from a family values perspective it “should” fit the agenda”

Someone said, of Puritans (something like) “they live in fear that someone, somewhere, is having fun”

Hasn’t the over-emphasis on sex told you why they don’t approve?

Scratch It

March 27th, 2013
8:11 pm

110,197,000 Venereal Infections in U.S. Yet dems are full bore for homosexual marriage….

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/cdc-110197000-venereal-infections-us-nation-creating-new-stis-faster-new-jobs-or

Jm

March 27th, 2013
8:13 pm

Jay

Last I checked, the GOP was not appearing in court as a defender of the CA law

Actually the opposite

Erwin's cat

March 27th, 2013
8:13 pm

Doggone
I suppose….it’s the eng in me that wants data to line up

Recon 0311 2533

March 27th, 2013
8:14 pm

td@7:59, We’ll see how the supremes decide but it should be for each state to determine.

TBS

March 27th, 2013
8:14 pm

td

The vast majority of the ACA is constitutional or it would not be in place. Excuses and semantics will not change that.

Not arguing or care whether you agree or not, but you would not have been so sad and whiny had it the whole thing been declared unconstitutional.

But I digress on the ACA.

My thoughts on the rulings for gay marriage is that he courts will rule something close to how you indicated, but again, we do not know.

The

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
8:15 pm

“110,197,000 Venereal Infections in U.S. Yet dems are full bore for homosexual marriage…”

Only married people get venereal diseases? Who knew! We should ban ALL marriages RIGHT now.

JamVet

March 27th, 2013
8:17 pm

Judd could have a lobotomy and still be smarter that the turtle.

He was one of the Bush morons who said Iraq was connected with Al Queda and that the horrifically botched invasion was a success.

The nimrods in Ky. deserve him; besides, we’ve got plenty of our own Republilosers here to deal with…

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
8:17 pm

“but it should be for each state to determine.”

How many times do I have to say it? IT’S A FEDERAL LAW. States have no power to decide what the Fed does.

Erwin's cat

March 27th, 2013
8:18 pm

it only burns when i pee :lol:

Recon 0311 2533

March 27th, 2013
8:22 pm

How many times do I have to say it?

You certainly have the right to say it, you just don’t have the authority to decide it.

td

March 27th, 2013
8:23 pm

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
8:17 pm

“but it should be for each state to determine.”

How many times do I have to say it? IT’S A FEDERAL LAW. States have no power to decide what the Fed does.

If the Gay marriage ban was a Federal law then why is there 9 states that currently allow it?

DOMA says the Feds will not recognize gay marriage and as such will not give any Federal benefits according to a gay marriage recognized by any state. It also says that states do not have to recognize gay marriages from other states.

States still define what constitutes a marriage in its own states without the interference of the Federal government

Scratch It

March 27th, 2013
8:23 pm

DoggoneGA

“110,197,000 Venereal Infections in U.S. Yet dems are full bore for homosexual marriage…”

Only married people get venereal diseases? Who knew! We should ban ALL marriages RIGHT now.

I don’t think the article said that.. try again…

St Simons- Cons - privatizimg the public & publicizing your privates since 1980

March 27th, 2013
8:24 pm

“…will write a narrow decision that allows same sex marriage to stand
only in California without addressing the equal protection claim…”

from your mouth to god’s ear. No progressive could dream of a
better outcome – a victory, a cause, and the cons stay on course
for the rocks.

Scratch It

March 27th, 2013
8:27 pm

Heres a great article for whoever that is that keeps bothering me about providing proof that the media covers for homo’s. This should be main stream news but it may portray homosexuals in a negative way. Listen up folks. When you play around with feces nothing good can happen. And that just what homo’s do….. There’s tons more examples if one wanted to google it. Homosexuals try and keep each other informed but the media refuses to tell the rest of the population…

http://gaycitynews.com/with-four-new-meningitis-cases-in-gay-men-quinn-farley-join-call-for-vaccination/

Erwin's cat

March 27th, 2013
8:30 pm

When you play around with feces nothing good can happen.

so why don’t you stop?

Normal, plain and simple...

March 27th, 2013
8:31 pm

I see Scratchy is back on VD again…maybe THAT’S why he chose this particular nom de blog…ya know?

JAM,

I’m from KY and I still can’t figure out the voters there. My Uncle told me just before the past Presidential election that he didn’t care who the GOP was going to put up against President Obama, that was the man he was going to vote for. I asked him if he cared about the issues, and he said, “Nope”. I left the next day. I’ve often wondered how my Mom was so color blind growing up with those yahoos.

kayaker 71

March 27th, 2013
8:32 pm

No where in DOMA legislation does it deny gays the privilege of getting married. DOMA was not enacted to prevent gay marriage…… just to determine what, if any federal benefits, that partners in a relationship would be entitled to. Prop 8, however, was an attempt by the citizens of CA to determine who the state of CA would recognize as being married in the traditional sense. CA issues the license, not the federal government. Gay marriage is a states issue…… and should be decided by each of the states, not the Supreme Court. SCOTUS will most likely dodge this bullet anyway and refer the whole issue back where it belongs….. to each of the individual states.

Normal, plain and simple...

March 27th, 2013
8:32 pm

St. Simons,

I agree, One State at a time, but it WILL be done.

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
8:35 pm

“You certainly have the right to say it, you just don’t have the authority to decide it.”

What’s to decide? DOMA IS FEDERAL LAW. The states have NO POWER to decide anything to do with a FEDERAL LAW.

Are you just acting stupid, or is it your natural state?

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
8:36 pm

“I don’t think the article said that.. try again”

I wouldn’t know. But YOU did, by conflating venereal disease with marriage

Recon 0311 2533

March 27th, 2013
8:46 pm

Are you just acting stupid, or is it your natural state?

Well you’re showing your ignorance if you think DOMA prevents same sex marriage. That determination is made by each state. DOMA ony defines marriage from the federal government view and the law only affects benefits administered by the Fed. In all probability the Fed’s ruling will not change the purview for each state to make there own determinations on same sex marriage and how it’s recognized. Further it probably won’t cross the line of forcing states to recognize the legality of same sex marriages in other states.

kayaker 71

March 27th, 2013
8:47 pm

Doggone, 8:35,

DOMA is indeed a federal law but it does not define what marriage is, ie the union between a man and a woman. DOMA only defines what, if any, benefits would be granted to a same sex couple that heterosexual couples presently enjoy. Federal benefits only. You are correct that Federal law does trump state law but it seems that we are talking apples and oranges here. You can marry your pet goat if you want to but he ain’t gonna get any Social Security benefits.

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
8:48 pm

“Well you’re showing your ignorance if you think DOMA prevents same sex marriage”

I don’t. Want to try again?

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
8:50 pm

“DOMA is indeed a federal law but it does not define what marriage is”

I never said it did.

Soothsayer

March 27th, 2013
8:51 pm

Umeniyiora coming to Atlanta. And I was worried about Abraham’s departure! New York’s loss is our gain!

td

March 27th, 2013
8:52 pm

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
8:48 pm

“Well you’re showing your ignorance if you think DOMA prevents same sex marriage”

I don’t. Want to try again?

Then what in the hell are you trying to debate?

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
8:55 pm

“Then what in the hell are you trying to debate?”

That the decision about DOMA is NOT A STATES ISSUE. How often do I have to say it before it sinks in?

Recon 0311 2533

March 27th, 2013
8:56 pm

I don’t. Want to try again?

You probably shouldn’t as you always go on offense if you even get the slightest notion that someones challenging federal law. You big government advocates get easily upset.

Soothsayer

March 27th, 2013
8:57 pm

I had occasion to drive from Gainesville (GA) to Jefferson. Friends, I have to tell you, it wasn’t pretty. Literally everything between Gainesville and Jefferson was abandoned or boarded up. When was the last time you saw a liquor store closed?

I have to admit, I really felt for those poor people. It’s sad.

All this talk about economic recovery is pure BS. If you don’t believe me, you need to get out of Atlanta. You will be amazed if not totally shocked.

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
8:58 pm

“You probably shouldn’t as you always go on offense if you even get the slightest notion that someones challenging federal law”

When have i said anything about someone challenging Federal law? This is law that should have been challenged the day after if was signed. I’m damn sorry it took this long. But no matter how much you say it, it is not a states issue to decide. It’s a Federal law, it’s in the FEDERAL court to be decided.

JamVet

March 27th, 2013
8:59 pm

Normal, I’ve been to Kentucky a few times and had the pleasure of camping there twice. It is a beautiful state, but alas it has systemic and entrenched poverty and backwardness.

And why it is dead red Republican…

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
9:03 pm

“All this talk about economic recovery is pure BS. If you don’t believe me, you need to get out of Atlanta. You will be amazed if not totally shocked”

And yet…I live in roughly that area and I’m seeing new houses going up in developements that have been moribund for 5 years or more. I’m seeing new businesses being built, and older ones being renovated.

Recon 0311 2533

March 27th, 2013
9:05 pm

But no matter how much you say it, it is not a states issue to decide. It’s a Federal law, it’s in the FEDERAL court to be decided.

But no one is saying that DOMA is a state issue to decide. I don’t think you’ve followed the discourse.

Soothsayer

March 27th, 2013
9:07 pm

If you get a chance, go out and look in the eastern sky. The moon is just gorgeous tonight!

Recon 0311 2533

March 27th, 2013
9:11 pm

It is a beautiful state, but alas it has systemic and entrenched poverty and backwardness.

Good grief JamVet wouldn’t you like to take that comment back? Did you read how utterly elitist that sounded before you hit submit? Geez

Brosephus™

March 27th, 2013
9:12 pm

I live in roughly that area and I’m seeing new houses going up in developements that have been moribund for 5 years or more. I’m seeing new businesses being built, and older ones being renovated.

I’m not in that area, but I have a restaurant within walking distance of my front door that has been packed wall to wall since Nov. One of the servers told me they started off with sales around $110k per day at the time of their opening, and now they’re running at $150k or more per day. As full as that parking lot remains, I’m not surprised.

If you drive a few miles down that same road, there are two subdivisions with homes being built at more than $200k per home. The website homepath.com used to have pages of foreclosures and such in my zipcode. I checked the other day, and there were 11 homes, 10 of which were under contract and the other one was a new listing. I guess the recovery is all about where the money is.

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
9:12 pm

“But no one is saying that DOMA is a state issue to decide. I don’t think you’ve followed the discourse”

Yeah, right. The court is deciding DOMA and it keeps being said that it’s a states issue, but no one is saying that. I don’t think it’s ME that has lost track of the “discourse”

Paul

March 27th, 2013
9:14 pm

kayaker 71

” DOMA was not enacted to prevent gay marriage…… just to determine what, if any federal benefits, that partners in a relationship would be entitled to.”

Looks like you’ll have to reassess your opinion:

Supreme Court Justice Elena Kagan caught the attorney defending the Defense of Marriage Act in a rare “gotcha” moment — in the eyes of many in the audience — at the high court on Wednesday.

In discussing the origins of the law, Paul Clement, who represents the Bipartisan Legal Advisory Group, said that Congress’s key interest in passing DOMA was preserving the uniform treatment of couples in various states at a time when there where indications that some states might allow same-sex marriages…

” Kagan read aloud from the House Judiciary Committee report on DOMA. “Congress decided to reflect and honor of collective moral judgment and to express moral disapproval of homosexuality,” she said, quoting the report. “Is that what happened in 1996?” she asked to gasps, “oohs” and some laughter from many in the gallery who seemed to think she’d managed a rare Supreme Court “gotcha” moment.”

Welcome to the Occupation

March 27th, 2013
9:14 pm

Obama is the real CON (man)

Like it so much I might even make it my moniker.

Paul

March 27th, 2013
9:15 pm

Recon 0311 2533

March 27th, 2013
9:15 pm

I don’t think it’s ME that has lost track of the “discourse”

Do you have posts that you can quote to support what you’re saying?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 27th, 2013
9:16 pm

Oh no…not DOMA unskewed. :lol: :lol:

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
9:18 pm

Do you have posts that you can quote to support what you’re saying?”

Why no, of course not…NO ONE has been saying it’s a states issue, right? So how could I copy any posts…since no one has said that.

I beginning to think your stupidity is not an act.

Democrats Are Devils

March 27th, 2013
9:20 pm

Leviticus 20:13

English Standard Version (ESV)

13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
:???:

td

March 27th, 2013
9:21 pm

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
9:12 pm

“But no one is saying that DOMA is a state issue to decide. I don’t think you’ve followed the discourse”

Yeah, right. The court is deciding DOMA and it keeps being said that it’s a states issue, but no one is saying that. I don’t think it’s ME that has lost track of the “discourse”

Yes, because the talking heads have come to the consensus that the court is going to say that marriage is a STATE issue and that the Federal government does not have the right to define it. Wake up my friend.

Democrats Are Devils

March 27th, 2013
9:21 pm

1 Corinthians 6:9-10

English Standard Version (ESV)

9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous[a] will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,[b] 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
:???:

Democrats Are Devils

March 27th, 2013
9:23 pm

Proverbs 17:15

English Standard Version (ESV)

15 He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous
are both alike an abomination to the Lord.
:???:

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 27th, 2013
9:24 pm

Brosephus, well I can add that in my neck of the woods, within a mile, 3 new subdivisions with homes 500K+ all in progress and “sold” signs going up fast. Now only 1 available home in my subdivision and it now is “under contract”. But hey no recovery here. :roll:

Scratch It

March 27th, 2013
9:25 pm

Erwin’s cat

When you play around with feces nothing good can happen.

so why don’t you stop?

What an intelligent answer!! Your mama must be proud… lol…

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
9:25 pm

“Yes, because the talking heads have come to the consensus that the court is going to say that marriage is a STATE issue and that the Federal government does not have the right to define it”

And I’m inclined to agree with them. I think the court will strike down DOMA, on the grounds that it interferes with a states right to decide what is marriage. Which means the woman whose case got it this far will have to be refunded her $360,000+ in taxes that she had to pay because of DOMA. Her marriage is recognized in the state she lives in. Without DOMA, that was an overpayment of taxes.

Striking down DOMA means that the Federal government will also have to recognize same sex marriages when the marriage occurs in a state where it is legal.

I’m much more interested in how they decide the CA Prop 8 case that was argued yesterday.

Welcome to the Occupation

March 27th, 2013
9:26 pm

“He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous
are both alike an abomination to the Lord”

Which is why the Republicans and their media cohorts are sure to burn in hell.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 27th, 2013
9:27 pm

Doggone, it does sound like DOMA is over (as it should be). Prop 8 may be decided on the standing issue but I hope not.

Recon 0311 2533

March 27th, 2013
9:28 pm

“Yeah, right. The court is deciding DOMA and it keeps being said that it’s a states issue, but no one is saying that. I don’t think it’s ME that has lost track of the “discourse”

Doggone@9:12pm

Why no, of course not…NO ONE has been saying it’s a states issue, right? So how could I copy any posts…since no one has said that.

Doggone@ 9:18pm

If you can’t stand the heat stay out of the kitchen

Democrats Are Devils

March 27th, 2013
9:29 pm

Welcome to the Occupation

March 27th, 2013
9:26 pm
“He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous
are both alike an abomination to the Lord”

Which is why the Republicans and their media cohorts are sure to burn in hell.
Oh Yeah ?!?! :???:

Scratch It

March 27th, 2013
9:30 pm

Democrats Are Devils

Leviticus 20:13

English Standard Version (ESV)

13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

That bible passage should make them think but it won’t. Homosexuals have the “if it feels good do it” mentality. Which of course is to their detriment because their actions many times results in death…

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
9:30 pm

“Doggone, it does sound like DOMA is over (as it should be). Prop 8 may be decided on the standing issue but I hope not.”

I agree. I haven’t looked into the standing issue, but if they decide not to decide…doesn’t it mean Prop 8 is still out because of the lower court decision? That would still leave the Constitutional equality issue open, and leave a place for another case to work it’s way back up to the Supreme Court.

USA Patriot

March 27th, 2013
9:31 pm

Just a question, if a couple get’s married, is it the state / fed’s that make it so?

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
9:31 pm

“If you can’t stand the heat stay out of the kitchen”

What heat? I’m still here, it’s not hot that I can feel.

Paul

March 27th, 2013
9:31 pm

D are D

9:21

Sexually immoral and adulterers? Should we be consistent and not allow sexually immoral young adults to marry? Should we force adulterers to divorce and never let them remarry?

9:20

You really don’t understand much behind what you read, do you? Do you not know that at that time, in that location, with those peoples, that women were viewed as imperfect men, not fully developed, inferior, less perfect than men. So for a man to voluntarily lower himself to the status of a woman is an abomination to God.

Which belief continued thru the Middle Ages.

And as we’ve seen on this blog, on thru the present day.

getalife

March 27th, 2013
9:31 pm

The gop taught us about toe tapping, diapers and doing meth with prostitutes.

The no moral party.

CharlieB - Little Late To Party - Sick of Rhetoric

March 27th, 2013
9:33 pm

@Leviticus 20:13

English Standard Version (ESV)

13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

There are some that believe the old testament no longer dictates human behavior as there is a new testament. The new testament replaces Moses with Jesus Christ, son of God. So to which do you subscribe?

By the same token, the old testament allows multiple wives, does not allow the eating of hooved animals who do not eat the cud, does not allow for the eating of shell fish. Do you partake in any of the above mentioned? You can’t pick and choose to live according to what you believe from each testament.

The new testament states that the only reason for divorce is “fornication”, but said “fornication” must be witnessed by the offending spouse, not something told to thee. Other wise, said person who causes divorce is guilty of adultery on their part, but also the part of the spouse they left.

Also, I don’t get how the US is supposedly founded upon individual freedom, but so many of you want to pretend the US was founded upon Christianity. It was not.

Recon 0311 2533

March 27th, 2013
9:35 pm

“What heat? I’m still here, it’s not hot that I can feel.”

Then you have no shame because you couldn’t prove what you were alleging but that’s not unusual, I’ve seen it before.

Soothsayer

March 27th, 2013
9:35 pm

“neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,[b] 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.”

Looks like Republicans are focked, then, don’t it?

Recon 0311 2533

March 27th, 2013
9:36 pm

getalife,

Hopefully, the surgery went well for your family member.

Democrats Are Devils

March 27th, 2013
9:36 pm

So, believing in HOMOSEXUALITY makes you have MORALS !?!? Thats a new on me ! :? ?:

Democrats Are Devils

March 27th, 2013
9:37 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 27th, 2013
9:38 pm

Then you have no shame because you couldn’t prove what you were alleging but that’s not unusual, I’ve seen it before

Now THAT is FUNNY!!!! :lol: Coming from the same poster who buffoonishly claimed that deficits were increasing, repeatedly. :lol: :lol:

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
9:38 pm

“Then you have no shame because you couldn’t prove what you were alleging but that’s not unusual, I’ve seen it before”

You have indeed…you’re the master

Soothsayer

March 27th, 2013
9:39 pm

If 10,000 gay people rented a warehouse and all had sex at the same and didn’t tell you about it, that would affect you how?

USA Patriot

March 27th, 2013
9:41 pm

I don’t know, when my bride and I were married it was in the sanctuary of a church, which was much more important than going to the local government office to make it official.

My point is, why does a union (between whomever) have to have the government involved for approval?

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
9:42 pm

“So, believing in HOMOSEXUALITY makes you have MORALS !?!? Thats a new on me !”

Ok, now I’m puzzled. How can you not believe in something that exists? That’s like saying you don’t believe in the sun.

Paul

March 27th, 2013
9:43 pm

CharlieB

Those points have been brought up numerous times. But it makes no difference to posters like we have here tonight. They ignore or dismiss then continue right on with their self-righteous cutting and pasting.

Or they are like, in the words of the New Testament (2 Peter 2:22) “a dog returns to its own vomit.”

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
9:43 pm

“I don’t know, when my bride and I were married it was in the sanctuary of a church, which was much more important than going to the local government office to make it official. ”

Maybe to you, but if one or both of you dies it’s going to be the government marriage that matters the most to your heirs

td

March 27th, 2013
9:44 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 27th, 2013
9:27 pm

Doggone, it does sound like DOMA is over (as it should be)

How do you define over?

If you mean that the Federal government will give benefits to gays that are married then yes it does sound that way.

If you mean that the court is going to say that states must recognize gay marriages from other states then I do not agree with you on that issue.

Recon 0311 2533

March 27th, 2013
9:44 pm

“Now THAT is FUNNY!!!! :lol: Coming from the same poster who buffoonishly claimed that deficits were increasing, repeatedly. :lol: :lol:

Buffoonery, you take the prize for it home each time you post on this blog. Such an incredibly stupid person who doesn’t understand the nations deficit. Who balances your checkbook at your assisted living center?

getalife

March 27th, 2013
9:45 pm

Thanks Del,

Better than expected.

Democrats Are Devils

March 27th, 2013
9:46 pm

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
9:42 pm
“So, believing in HOMOSEXUALITY makes you have MORALS !?!? Thats a new on me !”

Ok, now I’m puzzled. How can you not believe in something that exists? That’s like saying you don’t believe in the sun.

Faith is believing in things not seen, But is hopeful. I take it, you never read that line !?!? :???:

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
9:47 pm

“If you mean that the court is going to say that states must recognize gay marriages from other states then I do not agree with you on that issue”

but since I haven’t said that, there’s nothing to disagree with.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 27th, 2013
9:49 pm

Poor Del. All he has is his anger and posting without thinking. He’ll never understand the difference between deficit and debt

CharlieB - Little Late To Party - Sick of Rhetoric

March 27th, 2013
9:49 pm

Thanks Paul, but I guess it just escapes me how some argue for freedom from government, but at the same time argue for government intervention.

I am by no means a saint, have no idea where I will spend my after life, but it confuses the heck out of me how out of hatred for another, some are willing to look the other way while all of us are being screwed.

It is mind boggling.

Recon 0311 2533

March 27th, 2013
9:50 pm

“but since I haven’t said that, there’s nothing to disagree with.”

I don’t think anyone really knows what you’re saying this evening and from your posts it’s highly likely that you don’t know either.

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
9:50 pm

“Faith is believing in things not seen, But is hopeful. I take it, you never read that line !?!?”

But you didn’t say you believed in things not seen. You mocked “belief” in something that DOES exist.

Apples and oranges, my friend.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 27th, 2013
9:51 pm

td, so you believe that if a couple married in MA travels to GA, they are unmarried? what if they move there?

Democrats Are Devils

March 27th, 2013
9:51 pm

ok, masybe i read your comment wrong, sorry.

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
9:52 pm

“I don’t think anyone really knows what you’re saying this evening and from your posts it’s highly likely that you don’t know either.”

Not my problem you can’t figure it out. Maybe you need to read more slowly, so you can take it in.

Soothsayer

March 27th, 2013
9:52 pm

OK, Democrats are Devils: what if every gay person who has ever lived, who is living now, or will live in the future goes straight (pardon the pun) to hell, how does that affect you?

Does that mean that you won’t be able to watch Kim Kardashian’s enormous picnic butt on Keeping up with the Kardashians? Does that mean that the latest episode of Bob’s Burgers won’t air? How about Dancing with the Stars? Will that go off the air?

What, pray tell, are you worried about? I know all of are waiting to hear!

Jym Allyn

March 27th, 2013
9:53 pm

And if something results in the demise of the Republican Party, what’s the loss?

The Republican Party has caused the unnecessary deaths of more American soldiers and wasted more American wealth than the Communist Party or Al Qaeda ever did.

Paul

March 27th, 2013
9:53 pm

CharlieB

I take comfort from the idea that all those types you describe spend their time here, not out trying to infect society. Don’t think they’re in church on Sundays, as the minister would probably find a way to have them explore other venues. It’s a day, as is said here, for some to clean out their basements.

Brosephus™

March 27th, 2013
9:54 pm

You can’t pick and choose to live according to what you believe from each testament.

On this blog, that’s commonly referred to the “Get out of Leviticus Free” card, or something to that effect. :lol: :lol: :lol:

td

March 27th, 2013
9:54 pm

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
9:47 pm

“If you mean that the court is going to say that states must recognize gay marriages from other states then I do not agree with you on that issue”

but since I haven’t said that, there’s nothing to disagree with.

I never said you said anything. The post was to Keep and asking him to define over.

Drudge

March 27th, 2013
9:55 pm

That’s the funny thing – most of us support game marriage like I do. The bombastic religious right conservatives don’t…which is about 20% of us. Keep perpetuating the lie Jay.

It’s funny – you paint us all with these huge brushes. You make us all out to be the Bogeymen of your nightmares and yet, we actually support the same causes and have the same friends.

Jay – I’ll say it – you are the problem. I always seek to find the common ground, you make your living dividing it. The funny part is that you write a low klout blog for a third rate paper in a 4th rate city – and I don’t. Nice career man. Seriously, nice…

Recon 0311 2533

March 27th, 2013
9:55 pm

so you believe that if a couple married in MA travels to GA, they are unmarried? what if they move there?

Then their marriage won’t be recognized in Georgia. You certainly do have a severe comprehension problem of just about everything, don’t you?

Democrats Are Devils

March 27th, 2013
9:55 pm

My Belief is in the Lord, And Not in HOMOSEXUALITY even though you can see them. The answer to your question is YES !, I can see them but I cant see the Lord, But I Believe HE will PREVAIL over this SIN !!

Brosephus™

March 27th, 2013
9:58 pm

CharlieB: It is mind boggling.

Welcome to Jay’s House of Conundrums and Shenanigans… :lol:

Democrats Are Devils

March 27th, 2013
9:59 pm

Jym Allyn

March 27th, 2013
9:53 pm
And if something results in the demise of the Republican Party, what’s the loss?

The Republican Party has caused the unnecessary deaths of more American soldiers and wasted more American wealth than the Communist Party or Al Qaeda ever did.

But Democrats helps ABORT UNBORN BABIES EVERDAY ! If youre going to come !?, Come CORRECT !! :???:

Recon 0311 2533

March 27th, 2013
9:59 pm

Taps y’all…lib speak is funny but boring after awhile.

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
9:59 pm

“My Belief is in the Lord, And Not in HOMOSEXUALITY even though you can see them”

Oh, I get it now. I don’t believe in you…so you don’t exist. Easy, why didn’t I think of that before?

td

March 27th, 2013
10:00 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 27th, 2013
9:51 pm

td, so you believe that if a couple married in MA travels to GA, they are unmarried? what if they move there?

If the court rules the way that the talking heads believe then yes, if Georgia does not recognize gay marriage and a couple marries in MA and comes to GA then they will no longer be lawfully married in this state.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 27th, 2013
10:01 pm

Recon, you clearly are out of your league. Buffoonishly so. If rocks could post, their posts would be more intelligent.

Again, because you are brain dead when posting, somehow magically a couple married in MA comes to GA and they are “unmarried” and this comports with the Full Faith and Credit clause, how? Now hoof it on back to your jackass stall and do try to come up with an intelligent answer okay? I doubt you can do it.

CharlieB - Little Late To Party - Sick of Rhetoric

March 27th, 2013
10:01 pm

Paul/Brosephus – Thanks. I read often but rarely comment.

I just don’t understand why we can’t all come together and understand that we are being screwed by big business. I wish we could get a “Common Sense” party started.

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
10:02 pm

“But Democrats helps ABORT UNBORN BABIES EVERDAY !”

Let’s see. So far only married people can get venearal diseases, and now only Democrats have abortions. I can see that it’s easy to be “right”…you just have to follow the advice if the Red Queen and believe “six impossible things before breakfast” and after it too, it appears. Oh yeah, and you have to be able to NOT believe in things that exist.

Paul

March 27th, 2013
10:02 pm

Brosephus

“Get out of Leviticus Free”

:-)

Dems are D

“My Belief is in the Lord, And Not in HOMOSEXUALITY”

You sure ’bout that? God’s one, a guy… expresses Himself as three… guys, which means the three guys make up one guy…. who made… three guys…

DoggoneGA

March 27th, 2013
10:03 pm

And now it’s time for bed. Got an early day tomorrow. Night all.

Soothsayer

March 27th, 2013
10:04 pm

Oh! wait! now I get it! You’re afraid that if homosexuality is allowed, then God will exact his revenge on the United States like he did on Israel when he caused them to invaded by Cyrus from the North.

And, in exacting this revenge, you, as an innocent will be carried off like the rest of the wicked Israelites? Is that what’s troubling you, Democrats are Demons?

Well, I’ve got some bad news for you. If you think, in the enormity of the wickedness going on in this country, God is going to single out homosexuals, you’re an idiot.

No, God, has a laundry list of reasons to annihilate the United States. Not the least of which is our perpetual war economy and the millions of lives we have taken in other countries.

So, come down off your podium and give it a rest, OK?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 27th, 2013
10:04 pm

td, I don’t listen to any talking heads like Rush, but there will be Full Faith and Credit issues. It could be possible that GA would not have to permit same-sex marriage but it has to recognize a lawful act of another state.

Paul

March 27th, 2013
10:04 pm

CharlieB

Sounds good, but it takes a lot of money to bribe, I mean, ‘contribute’ enough for us to buy our own laws.

Democrats Are Devils

March 27th, 2013
10:04 pm

You know Damn well what i am saying but when someone throws religion at you, you get offended. You can tell from my posts that im against it.

td

March 27th, 2013
10:05 pm

Jym Allyn

March 27th, 2013
9:53 pm

And if something results in the demise of the Republican Party, what’s the loss?

The Republican Party has caused the unnecessary deaths of more American soldiers and wasted more American wealth than the Communist Party or Al Qaeda ever did.

This coming from a person that has supported the killing of over 40 million and counting children is this nation. Real nice.

Paul

March 27th, 2013
10:06 pm

G’night, Doggone/GA

Not far behind, finish a little more work (and with this distraction we know how long that can take) them I’m out, also -

Brosephus™

March 27th, 2013
10:06 pm

Paul @ 10:02

I know I shouldn’t add fuel to the fire, but that one guy that walked on Earth did hang out with 12 other dudes and never got married or even looked at a woman with the intent of courtship. :)

Democrats Are Devils

March 27th, 2013
10:07 pm

Soothsayer

March 27th, 2013
10:04 pm
Oh! wait! now I get it! You’re afraid that if homosexuality is allowed, then God will exact his revenge on the United States like he did on Israel when he caused them to invaded by Cyrus from the North.

And, in exacting this revenge, you, as an innocent will be carried off like the rest of the wicked Israelites? Is that what’s troubling you, Democrats are Demons?

Well, I’ve got some bad news for you. If you think, in the enormity of the wickedness going on in this country, God is going to single out homosexuals, you’re an idiot.

No, God, has a laundry list of reasons to annihilate the United States. Not the least of which is our perpetual war economy and the millions of lives we have taken in other countries.

So, come down off your podium and give it a rest, OK?
THOU SHALL NOT TEMPT THE LORD YOUR GOD….. :???:

USA Patriot

March 27th, 2013
10:07 pm

“Maybe to you, but if one or both of you dies it’s going to be the government marriage that matters the most to your heirs”.

Seems to me, as you probably know, proper arrangements w/ one’s estate are made ahead of time so the government doesn’t have a hand in it.

USA Patriot

March 27th, 2013
10:10 pm

Okay, full moon tonight, thus the irrational discussions this evening.

‘night all! Play nice, he, he, he, he!!!!!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 27th, 2013
10:11 pm

In August 2007, a federal appeals court held that the FF&C clause did require Oklahoma to issue a revised birth certificate showing both adoptive parents of a child born in Oklahoma who had been adopted by a same-sex couple married in another state. Finstuen v Crutcher.

td

March 27th, 2013
10:11 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 27th, 2013
10:04 pm

td, I don’t listen to any talking heads like Rush, but there will be Full Faith and Credit issues. It could be possible that GA would not have to permit same-sex marriage but it has to recognize a lawful act of another state.

You really need to catch up and educate yourself my friend. I have not heard what Rush or Sean has to say on the subject. I did listen to MSNBC and FOX tonight when their talking heads stated that “Full faith and Credit” part of DOMA was not even part of the suit that was heard in front of the SCOTUS and would more then likely be held intact. They also said that in the prop 8 case would be decided most likely very narrow and allowing Gay marriage in CA but would not address the full faith clause and they would not declare gay marriage as a fundamental civil right.

Bernie

March 27th, 2013
10:12 pm

Jay, Right Now The Republicans are SWEATING & SHAKING like a Southern Baptist Preacher on his knees at Satan’s Gate, waiting for them to open!

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 27th, 2013
10:13 pm

Well, I made a mistake. I now agree with Biden. Everyone just buy a shotgun !

http://youtu.be/WOoUVeyaY_8

Democrats Are Devils

March 27th, 2013
10:13 pm

Soothsayer – You damn RIGHT ! God’s not just going to single out Homosexuals and you go back and show ME where in the HELL I said that in my POSTS !?!?! :???:

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 27th, 2013
10:15 pm

td, yep. Prop 8 need not be decided on FF&C. However that does not mean that FF&C would not be applicable on recognizing lawful acts of other states. You heard what you wanted to heard. there is a body of law.

Democrats Are Devils

March 27th, 2013
10:15 pm

You need to be worried about YOUR KNEES @ the GATES OF HELL like you said ! COME ON NOW !! :???:

Paul

March 27th, 2013
10:15 pm

Brosephus

Well, yeah, you’re on to something there. Didn’t even follow tradition and get married when he was supposed to. How do you think mom and dad handled that ? “Yes, that’s our boy, no, he isn’t married… no… it’s not that, of course, it’s just that he’s really God, you see….”

Best part is, it isn’t even blasphemy, ’cause we’re mocking those other posters’ views and what they put out to be God and His will and Truth for Everybody (God Hates Homos!!!) is about as real as the morning mist on a hot day.

Democrats Are Devils

March 27th, 2013
10:18 pm

When you wish EVIL on other People, you are adding to your demise. You might not want to do that….. :? ?:

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 27th, 2013
10:20 pm

Good grief ! Isn’t this about a THIRD of our population ???

(CNSNews.com) – “According to new data released by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, there were 19.7 million new venereal infections in the United States in 2008, bringing the total number of existing sexually transmitted infections (STIs) in the U.S. at that time to 110,197,000.”

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/cdc-110197000-venereal-infections-us-nation-creating-new-stis-faster-new-jobs-or

Paul

March 27th, 2013
10:20 pm

Keep Up 10:11

I was reading thru the posts, read that, thought “that’s really good and on point, wonder who posted that” then looked and saw your name and thought ‘it figures.’

I’m not often on this late at night. So…. this is what others mean when they speak of ‘blogging while drunk” eh?

Democrats Are Devils

March 27th, 2013
10:20 pm

Who in the HELL said God HATES HOMOS, HUH !?!? Quit your DAMN LYING !!, HUH !?!?

Soothsayer

March 27th, 2013
10:20 pm

Democrats are Devils: your every post (at least that I read) concern homosexuality. That was the only inference I could project.

But I believe in the New Testament God. The God who sent his Son to die so that the sins of the World would be taken on His shoulders.

I believe in a forgiving God. I believe in Redemption. I believe in the forgiveness of sin, the Resurrection, and life everlasting.

Paul

March 27th, 2013
10:22 pm

“Good grief ! Isn’t this about a THIRD of our population ???”

Never knew we had that many Secret Service agents in South America…

Brosephus™

March 27th, 2013
10:24 pm

Paul

I figured out a long time ago that any relationship I had with God was between he and I. I see no need to drag anybody else into my personal business. To this date, he has not punished me or steered me wrong in life. As long as he and I have our understanding, I’m in good standing as long as I follow the path he’s laid out for me.

These kinds of arguments tickle me as people all paint their images of God and how he despises things, yet he’s supposed to have already died for our sins, knowing all along that we won’t be perfect and without sin.

Democrats Are Devils

March 27th, 2013
10:25 pm

Sorry Soothsayer ! Is that really you !?!?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 27th, 2013
10:27 pm

Paul, :lol: well for some of them there is a lot more “winning” and “boom boom” but yeah there is a lot of posting without fact or evidence and absolute denial. ;)

Brosephus™

March 27th, 2013
10:28 pm

Paul @ 10:22

:lol: :lol: :lol:

That’s wrong!! Like snapping a wet towel at someone. :)

Paul

March 27th, 2013
10:28 pm

Brosephus

Ever notice how, on this blog, it’s the libs (and by that I mean anybody who doesn’t self-identify with the farfarright) who speak on Christianity in terms of peace, love, redemption, giving, trust, forgiveness, while it’s the conservative types who are always going on and on and on and on about homosexuality or adulterers (Democrat only, of course) or some social cause? Seems to me one group’s at peace and another is pretty fearful – they protest a bit too strongly.

Soothsayer

March 27th, 2013
10:29 pm

Democrats are Devils: you can ask any of the regulars here. I have a very strong faith as witnessed by many of the songs I post here.

And, by the way, I am not “gay.” I just find it ludicrous that, given all of the other problems we face, so much time is wasted on this minor issue.

Towncrier

March 27th, 2013
10:30 pm

“You have all the right to advocate for whatever you wish. Advocation, however, is not a testament to infalliable truth. As a Christian, you should cherish your personal relationship with God. You should also understand that people here have the right to worship their God whether he’s the same as yours or not.”

You profess to be a Christian. You do NOT have the right to advocate for whatever you wish if you really want to please God and receive eternal life in the end. Those scriptures I cited were for YOU. I can’t force you to accept that the Bible plainly teaches homosexuality is a sin and that YOU should not advocate for policies or laws that promote or authorize sin. I am warning YOU as Christ Himself might and others like you here, because YOU profess to be a Christian and yet advocate for things God would clearly frown upon. You don’t see me admonishing people like this here who are agnostics, atheists or irreligious, do you? You seem like an intelligent guy. So how is it you warming yourself with fire from one half of the wood and carving an idol from the other half and bowing down to it (metaphorically speaking – Isaiah 44:15)? It makes about as much sense.

“Come back to your senses as you ought, and stop sinning; for there are some who are ignorant of God–I say this to your shame.” – 1 Corinthians 15:34

Paul

March 27th, 2013
10:30 pm

Brosephus 10:28

yeah, well….

who was it on here who liked to say “oh, SNAP!”?

td

March 27th, 2013
10:31 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 27th, 2013
10:15 pm

td, yep. Prop 8 need not be decided on FF&C. However that does not mean that FF&C would not be applicable on recognizing lawful acts of other states. You heard what you wanted to heard. there is a body of law.

That is exactly what DOMA says and per the talking heads that is going to be how these particular cases will be decided. They could be wrong and we shall see.

Personally I want them to say DOMA is illegal, The CASC was ruled incorrectly, and the only Constitutionally protected right to marry is between a man and a woman. That way the only way gay marriage would be permitted in the country would be by a Constitutional amendment. But that is my personal opinion and not what I heard from the so called experts.

George

March 27th, 2013
10:34 pm

The only thing not brought up much is what is the financial impact on government and business of allowing legal gay marriage. I bring this up as a libertarian who is very moderate on social issues and quite conservative on financial issues. This push sort of mirrors Obamacare with the country thinking practically “free” (or cheap) health care for me and my family and a nice private room at Northside Hospital if I need it. There is a reason the healthcare bill is over 2,000 pages long.

Paul

March 27th, 2013
10:35 pm

” the Bible plainly teaches homosexuality is a sin ”

Does not.

Where?

The noun, not the verb.

td

March 27th, 2013
10:35 pm

Towncrier

March 27th, 2013
10:30 pm

“You profess to be a Christian. You do NOT have the right to advocate for whatever you wish if you really want to please God and receive eternal life in the end.”

I asked Jesse Jackson that same question as it pertains to abortion and him being a minister in a Q&A after a speech when I was in college. He did not even want to consider the question.

Soothsayer

March 27th, 2013
10:36 pm

One final thought on this subject. I believe — and there is scientific evidence to back this up — that the vast majority of gays are not gay by choice but, rather, are acting on some biological imperative.

With that, I will leave you with this one. It’s one of my favorites. So simple, honest and humble, yet gets the message across.

Goodnight everyone! Sleep well.

Paul

March 27th, 2013
10:38 pm

” I am warning YOU as Christ Himself might”

Seems a tad presumptuous.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 27th, 2013
10:38 pm

“per the talking heads” — well that certainly is a ringing endorsement of success. :roll: You might want to try SCOTUSblog

td

March 27th, 2013
10:38 pm

Paul

March 27th, 2013
10:35 pm

” the Bible plainly teaches homosexuality is a sin ”

Does not.

Where?

The noun, not the verb.

Being gay is not a sin but the bible plainly states that the act of homosexuality is a sin. Just like adultery is a sin.

Paul

March 27th, 2013
10:39 pm

g’night, Sooth -

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 27th, 2013
10:41 pm

Paul, well when they get called up from the minors to the major league, you never know what they will do. Do you think the thundering voice comes with it, or is it more soft spoken. :D

Paul

March 27th, 2013
10:42 pm

td

Thanks, but I was hoping Towncrier would answer (or not) and so be aware he needs to express himself a bit more carefully.

Having said that, if it’s the fornicating and adulterating that’s the issue, I’m still stumped why conservative Christians never seem to be on an anti-fornicating or anti-adulterating crusade like they are with their anti-homosexual (behavior, right?) crusades.

CharlieB - Little Late To Party - Sick of Rhetoric

March 27th, 2013
10:42 pm

@TD – Please inform me as to where in the US Constitution marriage is defined as being between a man and a woman. I mean the original Constitution.

Towncrier

March 27th, 2013
10:44 pm

“Ever notice how, on this blog, it’s the libs (and by that I mean anybody who doesn’t self-identify with the farfarright) who speak on Christianity in terms of peace, love, redemption, giving, trust, forgiveness, while it’s the conservative types who are always going on and on and on and on about homosexuality or adulterers (Democrat only, of course) or some social cause? Seems to me one group’s at peace and another is pretty fearful – they protest a bit too strongly.”

I have noticed that most self-styled “Christian” liberals on this blog have little or no understanding of the Bible or of God’s nature. Seems to me they are like the false prophets of old who were saying “Peace, peace” to all of the people when clearly God was about to subject the Jews to judgement (divine punishment in various forms). I guess people like you Paul imagine there is really no place called Hell and that Jesus, who indeed died on the cross to potentially save everyone also said the following:

“Repent or perish”

“Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.”

“Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them.”

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.”

“Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!”

“But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall.”

“And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.”

“Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.”

“He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it.”

You simply don’t know what you are talking about, Paul. God is love above all, not wanting anyone to perish; but he is holy and unable to dwell with sin. But I guess you think people can twig their nose at the creator of the universe and then be told “Well done, good and faithful servant” on judgement day. The Jeffersonian NT is not really “kosher”, FYI.

Brosephus™

March 27th, 2013
10:44 pm

Paul @ 10:28

Not only that, you get the “Christians” here who try to dictate your religious beliefs to you as though they’ve died and gone to heaven for you. What part of personal relationship do they not understand? Why do they insist on getting into MY business when I keep telling them it’s none of their business?

———————

Towncrier: You do NOT have the right to advocate for whatever you wish if you really want to please God and receive eternal life in the end.

Unless you are God himself, YOU don’t have the right to tell me what I must or have to believe in. If you haven’t already noticed, I don’t approach religion as you do. I don’t assault others with my beliefs as though I am the only one correct on the face of the Earth. My relationship with God is just that M-I-N-E. Until you can absolutely assure me that you can die and absolve me of my sins, YOU have no bearing on my relationship with God.

You can quote scripture until you’re blue in the face. You don’t interpret scripture for me, nor will I ever give you the authority to do so. Until you understand the fact that you don’t dictate my religious beliefs, you’re gonna be one lost puppy.

Brosephus™

March 27th, 2013
10:46 pm

Paul: Seems a tad presumptuous.

He blew tad out of the water.

Paul

March 27th, 2013
10:46 pm

Keep Up

“Do you think the thundering voice comes with it, or is it more soft spoken”

Well, I know it’s difficult ’cause so many of our Leviticus Christians get their knowledge of the Meaning of Everything from The Google, but I do kinda wish they’d do a little bit of real study, ’cause then they might come across something new:

1 Kings 19:11 And he said, Go forth, and stand upon the mount before the Lord. And, behold, the Lord passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the Lord; but the Lord was not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but the Lord was not in the earthquake:

12 And after the earthquake a fire; but the Lord was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice.

td

March 27th, 2013
10:48 pm

CharlieB – Little Late To Party – Sick of Rhetoric

March 27th, 2013
10:42 pm

@TD – Please inform me as to where in the US Constitution marriage is defined as being between a man and a woman. I mean the original Constitution.

It does not but hey if the liberal court can make up the right to an abortion then a conservative (and I say that very loosely) should be able to make up the definition of marriage is between a man and a woman. Just to even things out.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 27th, 2013
10:48 pm

” I am warning YOU as Christ Himself might”

Seems a tad presumptuous.

A tad?

And the Pacific ocean is just a drop in the bucket.

Towncrier

March 27th, 2013
10:49 pm

“Seems a tad presumptuous.”

You don’t understand Christianity at all. Jesus didn’t command the apostles to go into all nations and make church members. He told them to make disciples (or apprentices), just as He Himself was doing according to John 4:1. Ever read this verse?

“A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a servant above his master. It is enough for a disciple that he be like his teacher, and a servant like his master.”

That is the sense in which I said what I did to Brosephus.

bman.

March 27th, 2013
10:51 pm

oh no…religon

Brosephus™

March 27th, 2013
10:55 pm

That is the sense in which I said what I did to Brosephus.

Bullcrap. You may think that’s the sense that you said what you said. However, you come off as someone who has the idea that you, and you only, knows how Christianity works. I try to stay true to who I am and not tell you how I truly feel about you because, in my opinion, you have all the hallmarks of a false prophet.

If you notice, I don’t go deeply into my religious beliefs because, as I’ve stated before, it’s a personal relationship. That means it’s God and Brosephus. It’s not God, Brosephus, and Towncrier. I don’t care what YOU think the Bible says. Different people have different interpretations of the same words written in the scriptures.

It’s obvious that you and I don’t have much in common based on posts here. It should be quite obvious as well that I don’t want or need your interpretations. I don’t think you’re a bad person, I just don’t take my religious cues from any man on Earth unless God informs me that he’s sending me a message through someone else. To date, he hasn’t given that disclaimer for you.

CharlieB - Little Late To Party - Sick of Rhetoric

March 27th, 2013
10:55 pm

@td..
It does not but hey if the liberal court can make up the right to an abortion then a conservative (and I say that very loosely) should be able to make up the definition of marriage is between a man and a woman. Just to even things out.

But td, the irony is that you as a self-proclaimed government free American should have the right to choose to live your life as you see fit. So if you don’t want to have an abortion, then don’t. If you don’t want to marry someone of the same sex, then don’t.

So where is the line of freedom from US government drawn? Is the line defined by you and those who believe as you do, or is there truly freedom in the US?

Can’t have it both ways. We are either free as US citizens to live/die by our beliefs or we are not.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 27th, 2013
10:55 pm

That is the sense in which I said what I did to Brosephus.

To reiterate:

http://static1.firedoglake.com/29/files/2012/06/jesus_facepalm.jpg

Paul

March 27th, 2013
10:55 pm

Towncrier

“I have noticed that most self-styled “Christian” liberals on this blog have little or no understanding of the Bible or of God’s nature. ”

Spoken like a true American evangelical/fundamentalist.

Just remember, for those with a claim to be able to speak as you asserted (Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox) your views are pretty much heretical.

But they shy away from saying so because they’re too polite.

” I guess people like you Paul imagine there is really no place called Hell ”

You’ll have to do better than something so superficial, Towncrier. There are about a dozen words in the third-hand texts we loosely translate as “Hell” but to you sort it’s all one big Persian-inspired (or Middle Age Dante) place for barbecues.

But you don’t need to give an explanation, seriously. I’ve examined your version of what you call Christianity (in spite of what you may think, you are definitely not original in your expressions) and frankly, I’m not interested.

Brosephus

“Why do they insist on getting into MY business when I keep telling them it’s none of their business? ”

Makes them feel good because they see themselves as superior and lecturing to and saving all the inferiors? Or maybe, as some have posited, there’s another undercurrent going on?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 27th, 2013
10:56 pm

Paul @ 10:22

LOL !

But all kidding aside ……….. that’s serious stuff !

Paul

March 27th, 2013
10:57 pm

Brosephus

Your 10:46 had me Laughing Out Loud.

Towncrier

March 27th, 2013
11:01 pm

“Unless you are God himself, YOU don’t have the right to tell me what I must or have to believe in. If you haven’t already noticed, I don’t approach religion as you do.”

You have professed to be a Christian. I have EVERY right to judge or assess whether or not you are being one:

“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?”

“There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day.”

“But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.”

“In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers and sisters, to keep away from every believer who is idle and disruptive and does not live according to the teaching you received from us.”

“If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take them into your house or welcome them.”

“I urge you, brothers and sisters, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.”

“Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.”

These are not my words, Brosephus. You can get angry with me or mock me or dismiss me, but you (like Paul) really don’t know the Bible very well. You should read it more carefully, please. It’s not about me being right. I feel sure I am right on matters like these, because I am basing my beliefs on what is said plainly in the Bible.

Paul

March 27th, 2013
11:01 pm

Scout

Oh, I know.. but it was just too good to pass up!

Kamchak 10:55

Now I’m laughing so hard I’ll never get tired. Gonna have to get off of here and have a mug of warm milk -

Brosephus™

March 27th, 2013
11:02 pm

Makes them feel good because they see themselves as superior and lecturing to and saving all the inferiors?

Well, they need to save themselves. The only person who can save me is me. As long as I live my life by his words and treat my fellow people with love and respect, I’m good. I don’t need anybody else to tell me that as he’s already given me that knowledge. Hopefully, you didn’t wake the family with your laughing. ;)

Marvin

March 27th, 2013
11:03 pm

It was extramarital sex rather than homosexual behavior that seemed to be the focus of biblical scorn and since there doesn’t seem to be same sex marriage in this text, hard to say what the outcome would be.
As it stands, Genesis is pretty clear that rape is bad, but there doesn’t appear to be a ranking making sodomy a bigger sin than adultery. So those of you who are inclined to judge might want consider where some of the more prominent legislative adulterors fall on your list of condemnation.

Paul

March 27th, 2013
11:04 pm

“You have professed to be a Christian. I have EVERY right to judge or assess whether or not you are being one”

Brosephus!

See? You didn’t even have to die to get judged! Now.. I wonder how the sentence is going to get passed….

Do ya’ think maybe it’s one of those ‘quote a verse, down a shot’ games?

Towncrier

March 27th, 2013
11:10 pm

“I’ve examined your version of what you call Christianity (in spite of what you may think, you are definitely not original in your expressions) and frankly, I’m not interested.”

I very much doubt it you have examined much at all. You show little familiarity with it, so how could you have really “examined” it? You don’t have to “buy” it – God has given us all freedom to believe what we will. But I will say it again: you know next to nothing about real Christianity. Maybe part of the problem is you are apparently not sure of what parts of scripture are authentic and which are not. And just how could you understand a belief system with that starting point?

Brosephus™

March 27th, 2013
11:11 pm

You have professed to be a Christian. I have EVERY right to judge or assess whether or not you are being one:

You have every right to share your opinion, but there is only one judge. I’m not here to please you, nor do I worship to please you.

It’s not about me being right. I feel sure I am right on matters like these, because I am basing my beliefs on what is said plainly in the Bible.

It’s not about you being right, but you feel you are right.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

What is said in the Bible can be interpreted multiple ways, regardless to what YOU think it says. Your relationship with God is yours, not mine. You deal with your religion, and don’t worry about me. That’s all I’ve been trying to communicate to you, but you have this incessant need to judge me. You don’t have that authority, and then have the audacity to talk about false prophets.

I’m not angry with you, as you don’t matter enough to me for me to get angry. You have no idea of my knowledge of the Bible, and to try to judge me shows that you probably are less secure in your beliefs than I am in mine. I’m done with this, and you, as you can’t seem to grasp the idea that my personal beliefs are not yours. Have a good evening.

Brosephus™

March 27th, 2013
11:12 pm

Paul @ 11:04

Now I LOLed. :)

Paul

March 27th, 2013
11:14 pm

Brosephus

And on that happy note, I’m out!

Pleasant evening, all -

Towncrier

March 27th, 2013
11:15 pm

“See? You didn’t even have to die to get judged! Now.. I wonder how the sentence is going to get passed….”

If only people like Paul understood that words can have different connotations and not choose to play the fool.

td

March 27th, 2013
11:16 pm

CharlieB – Little Late To Party – Sick of Rhetoric

March 27th, 2013
10:55 pm

@td..
It does not but hey if the liberal court can make up the right to an abortion then a conservative (and I say that very loosely) should be able to make up the definition of marriage is between a man and a woman. Just to even things out.

But td, the irony is that you as a self-proclaimed government free American should have the right to choose to live your life as you see fit. So if you don’t want to have an abortion, then don’t. If you don’t want to marry someone of the same sex, then don’t.

So where is the line of freedom from US government drawn? Is the line defined by you and those who believe as you do, or is there truly freedom in the US?

Can’t have it both ways. We are either free as US citizens to live/die by our beliefs or we are not.

And the day you progressives believe and will advocate for the government should allow people to suffer the consequences of their actions is the day I will agree with allowing people to do whatever makes them feel good because then the only person they have to answer to is God. Until that day then government has to be involved in the personal actions of people so that we do not go bankrupt.

In other words deviant behavior makes my taxes higher and cost me money.

CharlieB - Little Late To Party - Sick of Rhetoric

March 27th, 2013
11:21 pm

@td… This makes no freaking sense at all…well maybe to you…deviant behavior does not cost u a damn penny. We are either free or we are not…u decide.

And the day you progressives believe and will advocate for the government should allow people to suffer the consequences of their actions is the day I will agree with allowing people to do whatever makes them feel good because then the only person they have to answer to is God. Until that day then government has to be involved in the personal actions of people so that we do not go bankrupt.

In other words deviant behavior makes my taxes higher and cost me money.

Towncrier

March 27th, 2013
11:27 pm

“You have every right to share your opinion, but there is only one judge. I’m not here to please you, nor do I worship to please you. ”

The verb “to judge” has more than one connotation. If we condemn people, then we are sinning. If we honestly judge them to be one way or another (in terms of assessment), we are not sinning. I will not decide whether or not you make it to heaven. Not here, not on the last day. YOU decide that.

“What is said in the Bible can be interpreted multiple ways, regardless to what YOU think it says.”

You are a lot smarter than that, Brosephus. That strikes me as such an unintelligent thing for you to say given the very plain meaning of many of the verses I quoted. You are too well read and thoughtful to cop out like that.

“You deal with your religion, and don’t worry about me. That’s all I’ve been trying to communicate to you, but you have this incessant need to judge me. You don’t have that authority, and then have the audacity to talk about false prophets.”

I am not trying to condemn you; I am trying to simply 1) stop claiming you are a Christian or 2) stop advocating for sinful practices. One or the other. Because as it is, you are misrepresenting God by doing both things. The Bible PLAINLY states that the practice of homosexuality is a sin. Unless you have a cut and paste Bible, or one that is maybe right here but not there Bible. If that is the case, why even bother with it at all? Imagine that: a God able to create the universe but unable to ensure His message gets out properly. Poor God. It must be tough being so impotent.

CharlieB - Little Late To Party - Sick of Rhetoric

March 27th, 2013
11:29 pm

@td – what is deviant behavior and how does said behavior affect your taxes/rate?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 27th, 2013
11:30 pm

… you are misrepresenting God…

Doubling down on teh stoopid.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

td

March 27th, 2013
11:30 pm

CharlieB – Little Late To Party – Sick of Rhetoric

March 27th, 2013
11:21 pm

@td… This makes no freaking sense at all…well maybe to you…deviant behavior does not cost u a damn penny. We are either free or we are not…u decide.

Really?

Who pays for it when homosexual sex leads to aids in higher taxes or premiums?
Who pays the bills when the poor have children out of wedlock?
Who pays the bills when a person decides to be a drug addict or alcoholic?
Who pays the bills when a person chooses not to get and education and chooses not to work?

Deviant behavior cost me and everyone else as long as we, as a nation, decides that we are “humane”. . You progressives just do not want to face reality.

td

March 27th, 2013
11:33 pm

de·vi·ant (dv-nt)
adj.
Differing from a norm or from the accepted standards of a society.
n.
One that differs from a norm, especially a person whose behavior and attitudes differ from accepted social standards.

CynthiaM

March 27th, 2013
11:34 pm

Gay Marriage in not a civil rights issue. For those of you that think it is, try actually reading the bill of rights. You might be a bit surprised if you can close your mouth long enough to listen.

td

March 27th, 2013
11:36 pm

CharlieB – Little Late To Party – Sick of Rhetoric

March 27th, 2013
11:29 pm

@td – what is deviant behavior and how does said behavior affect your taxes/rate?

See above for definition. The more risky behavior a society attempts to make acceptable the more it cost that society to pay for the consequences of peoples actions.

Cherokee

March 27th, 2013
11:38 pm

Actually, no, the Bible doesn’t PLAINLY state that the practice of homosexualty is a sin.

There are six verses in the Bible that are used by so called Christians to condemn gay people. All of them are subject to interpretation. I’d discuss them, but you can look them up yourself, if you are actually humbly seeking truth. Google is your friend.

Oddly enough, you ignore a couple of concepts in the New Testament – one is divorce. Jesus condemned remarriage after divorce, calling it adultery. Paul said that adulterers would not reach the Kingdom of Heaven.

Have you taken that message to evangelical churhes, which are filled to the brim with divorced and remarried people? Don’t you have a responsibility to tell those people that they are going to Hell? Or do you just save your ‘judgment and assessment’ for gay people?

If so, then Jesus would call you a Pharisee. Full of righteous indignation at the sins of others, but empty inside.

CharlieB - Little Late To Party - Sick of Rhetoric

March 27th, 2013
11:39 pm

@td…you still did not answer my question…either we are free or we are not.

Interesting that you led off with homosexual behavior.

Yes there are some elements in our society that choose to try to live off of the system, but until we take off the color blinders, we will not be able to address the issue. Everything in America is color coded. Makes some feel good to feel as if only the ‘black’ and ‘brown’ scam the system. It is almost as if the “less fortunate” of white America does not exist.

Towncrier

March 27th, 2013
11:39 pm

“Deviant behavior cost me and everyone else as long as we, as a nation, decides that we are “humane”. . You progressives just do not want to face reality.”

Good questions, td. I don’t quite know when a destructive behavior became a “disease” rather than someone falling into an addiction from choices they made (with whatever mitigating circumstances), but it is symptomatic of progressive thinking. There is no sin, no personal responsibility and no wrong doing. Killers are not people disposed to making very evil choices – they are mentally ill. There is no sinful nature in human beings as the Bible speak of. Hitler was not evil; he was mentally unbalance. Same with Pol Pot. And so on and so on.

Cherokee

March 27th, 2013
11:42 pm

And td, in Africa, heterosexual sex spreads AIDS. Do you think that African coutnries should therefore ban straight marriage, since by your logic it results in extra costs to society?

Pewue Morality

March 27th, 2013
11:48 pm

To “Joe Hussein Mama” – you have the audacity to speak of morality? What are you afraid of? Our current law is that marriage is between a woman and a man (not 2 men, not 2 women). That is the law. If you’re wanting the law to be changed then put it up for a vote – this has nothing whatsoever to do with civil rights but everything to do with vile, sick behaviors – and yes, the “majority” in our country think so!!

Citizens have an accountability to all children – to show them good morality and not some sick morality. What you are “wanting to do” will set in motion a country without morality at all, flaunting that in front of our children – my children – and that is just not “going to fly”…..

Feel free to do whatever you wish in the privacy of your own home but don’t try to “flaunt” this publicly in front of our children- it is atrocious – and YES OUR CHILDREN DESERVE MUCH BETTER!!

What are you whining about? You can get health insurance, life insurance, can leave a will, can live with whomever you wish…..so go do that and leave the rest of America and OUR CHILDREN ALONE!!! What, you want your behaviors to be “validated???”" – not a chance…..

td

March 27th, 2013
11:50 pm

Cherokee

March 27th, 2013
11:42 pm

And td, in Africa, heterosexual sex spreads AIDS. Do you think that African coutnries should therefore ban straight marriage, since by your logic it results in extra costs to society?

And the Africa example is deviant behavior because it is suppose to be one man and one woman for life. No extra or pre martial sex is the normal standard for 1000’s of years and when society chose to change the standard then this is the consequence for such behavior.

td

March 27th, 2013
11:55 pm

CharlieB – Little Late To Party – Sick of Rhetoric

March 27th, 2013
11:39 pm

@td…you still did not answer my question…either we are free or we are not.

Interesting that you led off with homosexual behavior.

Yes there are some elements in our society that choose to try to live off of the system, but until we take off the color blinders, we will not be able to address the issue. Everything in America is color coded. Makes some feel good to feel as if only the ‘black’ and ‘brown’ scam the system. It is almost as if the “less fortunate” of white America does not exist.

Only reason homosexual is first today is because it is the topic at hand on this blog today. Come back and ask me the same question when the blog topic is welfare and I will place it first.

Freedom does not mean that one can do whatever they want to do. Freedom has responsibility attached to it. In a truly free country then a person would be able to commit sodomy but would have to suffer the consequences if they contracted Aids and did not have their own money to get the proper treatment. I am all for this type of freedom it is you progressives that refuse to make people take responsibility for ones actions.

Towncrier

March 28th, 2013
12:01 am

“Actually, no, the Bible doesn’t PLAINLY state that the practice of homosexualty is a sin.”

Yes, actually it does.

“There are six verses in the Bible that are used by so called Christians to condemn gay people.”

Or simply to prove that the practice of homosexualty is a sin to people who insist it is not (like you).

“All of them are subject to interpretation.”

All of them are subject to fanciful twisting, you mean (like the KKK used some verses to justify the practice of forced slavery)

“I’d discuss them, but you can look them up yourself, if you are actually humbly seeking truth. Google is your friend.”

The Bible is your friend, if you let it be.

“Oddly enough, you ignore a couple of concepts in the New Testament – one is divorce. Jesus condemned remarriage after divorce, calling it adultery. Paul said that adulterers would not reach the Kingdom of Heaven.”

There are two scriptural grounds for divorce and remarriage. Do you even know what they are?

“Have you taken that message to evangelical churches, which are filled to the brim with divorced and remarried people? Don’t you have a responsibility to tell those people that they are going to Hell? Or do you just save your ‘judgment and assessment’ for gay people?”

Not at all. I think people who have divorced and remarried (as Christians) for reasons other than the two alluded to above have MUCH to be concerned about. I would not do that. But I acknowledge many have. And I HAVE sternly warned people I believe are Christians about remarrying when they were not divorced for scriptural reasons. It is serious stuff. For those who have divorced and remarried as non-Christians before becoming Christians, I believe that sin is forgiven when they are saved. But I would also say a whole lot of people CLAIM to be followers of Jesus who clearly are not – and many of them are on church rolls.

“If so, then Jesus would call you a Pharisee. Full of righteous indignation at the sins of others, but empty inside.”

Actually my best male friend in life is same sex-oriented (though he has never acted out) and I have had a number of same sex-oriented friends and acquaintances in life. The sin of practicing homosexuality is not much different from adultery, premarital sex, orgies and so on. I hardly dislike homosexuals as people. I just don’t think they should be given a license to sin as it were. So I am also against the decriminalization of adultery and the relaxation of obscenity laws that turn pornography into “free speech”.

Towncrier

March 28th, 2013
12:05 am

“In a truly free country then a person would be able to commit sodomy but would have to suffer the consequences if they contracted Aids and did not have their own money to get the proper treatment. I am all for this type of freedom it is you progressives that refuse to make people take responsibility for ones actions.”

Well said, td. I concur. Progressives want people to have their cake and eat it too. It is sheer folly.

Jackie

March 28th, 2013
12:08 am

@td

You are stating that the only people to “scam the system” are people of color!
Wonder if those bankers, CEO’s, Governor of FL, and the Governor of GA are minorities?

Towncrier

March 28th, 2013
12:09 am

Towncrier

March 28th, 2013
12:10 am

Towncrier

March 28th, 2013
12:12 am

Towncrier

March 28th, 2013
12:13 am

Jackie

March 28th, 2013
12:15 am

@towncrier

What do you think of this?

http://kkkknights.com/

CharlieB - Little Late To Party - Sick of Rhetoric

March 28th, 2013
12:20 am

@td…So td in your own words…we need the government to monitor us..How do you square that with your so-called belief of smaller government? Be sure to read in entirety, as I copied directly from your post…your direct quote — “Until that day then government has to be involved in the personal actions of people so that we do not go bankrupt”

So tell me again which party is for smaller government?

“And the day you progressives believe and will advocate for the government should allow people to suffer the consequences of their actions is the day I will agree with allowing people to do whatever makes them feel good because then the only person they have to answer to is God. Until that day then government has to be involved in the personal actions of people so that we do not go bankrupt.”

In other words deviant behavior makes my taxes higher and cost me money.

td

March 28th, 2013
12:20 am

Jackie

March 28th, 2013
12:08 am

@td

You are stating that the only people to “scam the system” are people of color!

What in the HELL are you talking about? Where did I say anything close to what you accused me of saying?

td

March 28th, 2013
12:24 am

CharlieB – Little Late To Party – Sick of Rhetoric

March 28th, 2013
12:20 am

@td…So td in your own words…we need the government to monitor us..How do you square that with your so-called belief of smaller government? Be sure to read in entirety, as I copied directly from your post…your direct quote — “Until that day then government has to be involved in the personal actions of people so that we do not go bankrupt”

Smaller government equals more personal responsibility.
More personal responsibility and more people having consequences for their actions then the more freedom we have. The larger the government then the more the government will have to monitor and dictate the actions of the people.

Now go back and read what I said and tell me exactly where the above does not jive with the precious remarks.

Jackie

March 28th, 2013
12:25 am

@td

I apologize in that your post 11:55 was quoting someone else.
Sorry for pointing the finger at you.

td

March 28th, 2013
12:28 am

CharlieB – Little Late To Party – Sick of Rhetoric

March 28th, 2013
12:20 am

BTW: If you want social conservatives to get out of your bedrooms ect. ect then advocate to your progressive legislators to get out of the business of paying for the results of deviant behavior.

td

March 28th, 2013
12:29 am

Jackie

March 28th, 2013
12:25 am

@td

I apologize in that your post 11:55 was quoting someone else.
Sorry for pointing the finger at you.

Thank you for coming back with this comment.

Jackie

March 28th, 2013
12:31 am

@td

I don’t want to put words in others mouths.

Mama Says

March 28th, 2013
12:36 am

If there ever was an issue which demonstrates the over stepping of government this is it. There is absolutely NO reason for any government involvement in issues of love.

I am a conservative and as such that should be my position !

Conservatives should be put on the spot on this issue and be made to explain where where in the free loving small government mindset that we claim to have, do we become ok with governments involvement in marraige.

I am straight, heterosexual , woman loving man and a conservative. My non government instincts fit very well with limiting the governments ability to give approval on who anyone can love, have sex with ( with the exception of kids) or bequeath their personal property to in death.

My conservative beliefs do however go further, marriage is in no way any business of the government. Meaning they should not be in the practice of permitting it at all. It is a function of love not taxes or application fees.

The church should be the dominate voice on the subject.

As far as benefits that too should not be an issue. One simple change in law, governing insurance and benefit coverage could fix it all, you purchase insurance plans that cover people numerically rather than by relationship. In other words a plan that today covers a man, his wife and 2 kids would be sold as a 4 benefit package. A single person would by a 1 benifit package and so on. What the hell does it matter who the insurance covers ? I mean if I wish to by a plan that covers my sister, rather than my wife, who cares ?

Jm

March 28th, 2013
12:37 am

Jay used the word “transmogrify” in his last blog post

Only in jayland and Calvin and Hobbes.

:)

CharlieB - Little Late To Party - Sick of Rhetoric

March 28th, 2013
12:38 am

@td..BTW: If you want social conservatives to get out of your bedrooms ect. ect then advocate to your progressive legislators to get out of the business of paying for the results of deviant behavior.

td…I can not figure out your stance. Are you for more government control of our US lives or are you for less control?

What in your mind is deviant behavior?

G Mare

March 28th, 2013
12:44 am

“See these Christians, how they love (HATE?!?) one another.” As for me, organized religion, in whatever guise, scares me & reminds me of Joe McCarthy, & the nazis, & Ghengis Kahn, & the crusaders, & the so called Moral Majority, jjust to mention a few of the notorious haters in history.

Have a good night, everyone, secure in your rightseousness.

Kujohn

March 28th, 2013
12:56 am

White evangelical southern consevatives should be labeled as a hate group
They aren’t Christians
Unless Christianity = racist bigots homaphobs
Lets see thru US history
Lets start with slavery
1920s. Against woman’s rights everybody knows evangelical women need to be subservient to their god fearing man an cannot be trusted to vote. (To emotional))
In the 60s civil rights You know integration Ex Alabama gov being forced by the federal gov to let young black children in to a school with white children
Against interracial marriage
Now opposed to gay rights
Same sex marriage
Stop hiding behind religion to promote your hate

Kujohn

March 28th, 2013
1:10 am

Oh this is for Td
Who pays for you or your wife
Who eat fried food every day are overweight
Southern states are the biggest drains on the US economy
Fat overweight diabetic high blood pressure heart attacks stokes
White southern evangelical s Are a drain on society because of your disgusting eating habits
We pay for you fat a$$
Keep supporting chic fila you stupid fu–

G Mare

March 28th, 2013
1:41 am

Hi, Kujohn. Welcome to ‘Jay late night.’ I am glad to see another late nighter here!

I Love Polls

March 28th, 2013
5:24 am

Glad to hear we’re going to set public policy around polls now. That means: Women lose the right to drive, minorities lose the right to vote, Obama’s “Affordable” Health Care Act will be over-turned, and the Death Penalty is back! I LOVE POLLS!

Jack ®

March 28th, 2013
5:32 am

I don’t mind being in a minority if that what it takes to oppose homosexuality as a Constitutional right. Homosexuals know exactly what their rights may be when they choose a deviant lifestyle; they made their choice and they should live with it without expecting normal people to agree with them.

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 28th, 2013
5:52 am

Jack ®

March 28th, 2013
5:32 am

Jack,

You are a Neanderthal living in the 19th century. Try to educate yourself about “Gay”.

And to the rest of all y’all, Good, good Thursday morning!

Brosephus™

March 28th, 2013
5:53 am

(like the KKK used some verses to justify the practice of forced slavery)

The 13th Amendment, which abolished slavery in the US, was officially ratified on Dec 6, 1865 once the state of Georgia ratified it. The KKK was first established on Dec 24, 1865.

JamVet

March 28th, 2013
6:32 am

Talk about some messed up people hiding behind their religion!

Wow! They have perverted it into one where they have this petty little god and all these of these reasons to abhor and demonize other people. Gawd only knows what they would do if they had the power that they used to have.

These Nutjobs for Christ need to start their own little cult – the Christianity of Malevolence.

Haters only, please…

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 28th, 2013
6:44 am

Jam,
I believe that if Jesus could come back today, he would weep at what has been done in his name.

MiltonMan

March 28th, 2013
6:56 am

DOMA – signed into law by none other than Bill Clinton

MiltonMan

March 28th, 2013
6:59 am

“These Nutjobs for Christ need to start their own little cult – the Christianity of Malevolence.

Haters only, please”

Your buddy Stands is a “practicing” Roman Catholic – take it up with him. Also, doesn’t Obama claim he is a christian – a confused one but nonetheless one.

harvey

March 28th, 2013
7:00 am

Gay proponents talk about acceptance of gay marriage as “evolving”. One wonders about that because prior to Christianity, all sorts of practices such as incest, pederasty, etc. were accepted. It seems like we are rather “devolving” back to our basest instincts, and that is simply, gratification of any wish whether it is deviant or not. If enough people want to do it, it becomes acceptable. Well, some people hold on to long held moral codes and standards. That doesn’t make them bad, merely moral, but morality is not particularly in style these days.

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
7:02 am

Holy bejeebers my little one has been blowing through some iTunes cards……. what does she buy? I think i need to check lol. Good thing WE have her password not her AND access to the account.

MiltonMan

March 28th, 2013
7:03 am

“Jam,
I believe that if Jesus could come back today, he would weep at what has been done in his name”

…and he would be jumping for joy with the nutjob lib professor Poole there at FAU???

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
7:04 am

Your buddy Stands is a “practicing” Roman Catholic – take it up with him. Also, doesn’t Obama claim he is a christian – a confused one but nonetheless one.

Yeah, but they aren’t nutjobs for Christ like you. They are Christians. There is a difference. Where you got YOUR brand of hate from I don’t know, but it’s not from Jesus.

Historically Normal

March 28th, 2013
7:04 am

As John Rpberts said, Gays want to change the “label” of marriage (since beginnig of time is 1 man and 1 woman) to something other than what has been the established definition (way before 1776 marriage is 1 man and 1 woman) in all of recorded history. Gays and their morality (lack of) denigrate society. Gay values have not changed (multiple partners, public sex, AIDS). Blah-Blah-Blah say all the duffus liberal pukes. You suck, conservatives have the money (get Conservative values and you too will be successful- you know, go to work!). Try bing responsivbel for yourself instead of making me pay for 2-3 takers as well as myself. Bite me!

MiltonMan

March 28th, 2013
7:07 am

“Yeah, but they aren’t nutjobs for Christ like you. They are Christians. There is a difference. Where you got YOUR brand of hate from I don’t know, but it’s not from Jesus.”

Please, oh please, dufus point specifically top where I said I was a christian. You liberal whacks are the first to judge those that you believe unfairly judge. ObamaCare will offer “free” mental health care. I recommend you sign up for it “Mr. Trademark”.

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 28th, 2013
7:11 am

Just glad I don’t wake up angry every morning.

Ya’ll have a tolerant day, ya’ hear.

Joel Edge

March 28th, 2013
7:12 am

And here’s the survey if you want to actually read it. Doesn’t seem that big a shift. One in seven.
http://www.people-press.org/?p=20050344

Jay

March 28th, 2013
7:12 am

“DOMA – signed into law by none other than Bill Clinton”

Yeah, you knew that one was coming. The game is familiar. In 20 years, conservatives will be claiming it was the Democrats who opposed gay rights all along, citing DOMA as their evidence.

Historically Normal

March 28th, 2013
7:12 am

Harvey has it correct above. Gay advocates, answer me this- Can 3 people (all loving, of course) get married? Also, can I marry my brother, who I love very much, so we can have the benefits of marriage? Let me know your opinions.

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
7:12 am

Gays want to change the “label” of marriage (since beginnig of time is 1 man and 1 woman) to something other than what has been the established definition (way before 1776 marriage is 1 man and 1 woman) in all of recorded history.

2 Samuel 3:2-5

King James Version (KJV)

2 And unto David were sons born in Hebron: and his firstborn was Amnon, of Ahinoam the Jezreelitess;

3 And his second, Chileab, of Abigail the wife of Nabal the Carmelite; and the third, Absalom the son of Maacah the daughter of Talmai king of Geshur;

4 And the fourth, Adonijah the son of Haggith; and the fifth, Shephatiah the son of Abital;

5 And the sixth, Ithream, by Eglah David’s wife. These were born to David in Hebron.

Seems like King David, King of the Jews, King of GOD’S PEOPLE had more than one wife.

Now you begin to see why folks laugh at you nutjobs. You can’t even get the Bible right that you try to beat over people’s head.

Here is a suggestion: Try living your life to BE an example folks want to follow to Christ rather than be a jack ass for Christ………

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
7:15 am

Please, oh please, dufus point specifically top where I said I was a christian.

Oh, so you are just another Christian basher? Which is it? You still have two more times to deny Christ as the rooster hasn’t crowed yet……….

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
7:17 am

Gay advocates, answer me this- Can 3 people (all loving, of course) get married?

I’m not a Gay advocate but I see no problem with that. It was good enough for King Saul, and King David, and Moses, and Abraham and……… need I continue? Although in their cases it was MORE than 3 and I don’t know how much loved played a part in it………….

stands for decibels

March 28th, 2013
7:18 am

Mornin. Just skimmed a few of the evening posts.

Of all the dumb arguments against marriage equality, I think the most ridiculous have to be from those who play the “public health” angle.

Let me get this straight (pun intended):

We had a previously marginalized, underground society that had a propensity to engage in risky behavior in no small part because being marginalized and underground made them less likely to commit to long term relationships? right?

So the smart public health decision would be to prevent said folks from establishing committed relationships, making them far less likely to engage in riskier behavior, by trying to drive them back underground, somehow?

Someone tell me how that makes any sense at all.

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
7:20 am

Not to interrupt the morning hate from our fine upstanding Right Wing Christian Brothers but………..

Kona Coffee is AWESOME. My wife got me a coffee grinder a few years ago and every once in a while, on a special occasion or whenI run out of my cheap normal Folgers ground coffee, I grind up some ‘good” beans. I love the Kona. What a treat. If I drank it every day it would become common but since I don’t? I love it long time…………

Anyone who stops buy can have a cup until I run out. Even the early morning haters.

stands for decibels

March 28th, 2013
7:22 am

In 20 years, conservatives will be claiming it was the Democrats who opposed gay rights all along, citing DOMA as their evidence.

Of course! The same morons who will have you believe that conservatives were the key to getting the Constitution (finally!) enforced via the Civil Rights Act.

But it won’t take them 20 years to begin lying about the history of the fight for marriage equality and gay rights, in earnest. Give ‘em about… seven, eight, tops, I’m thinking, now.

(you’re already getting a ton of revisionism by those who are implying that Obama was this flaming homophobe until he TOTALLY SWITCHED and said he was in favor of marriage equality.)

stands for decibels

March 28th, 2013
7:23 am

Try living your life to BE an example folks want to follow to Christ rather than be a jack ass for Christ…

“Jack ass for Christ,” “Rump Republicans for Traditional Marriage,” basically the same thing.

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
7:24 am

dB: I had a thought I was going to type out along with a compliment on that last post but unfortunately it had the possibility of being twisted by the ingnorants who drop by for their early morning hate. Maybe I’ll think of a better way to phrase it later.

Good point though.

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
7:26 am

(you’re already getting a ton of revisionism by those who are implying that Obama was this flaming homophobe until he TOTALLY SWITCHED and said he was in favor of marriage equality.)

Yeah but you have to admit it was funny the way Biden (wasn’t it him) “outed” him. I think Brother Barry was going to ride the fence a little longer on the issue until that happened.

stands for decibels

March 28th, 2013
7:28 am

Your buddy Stands is a “practicing” Roman Catholic – take it up with him.

MiltonMan–no slight to my RCC brethren and sistren around the world, but I’ve no idea where you got the idea that I’m any kind of Roman Catholic. (I’ve had contact with the RCC through marriage with the church and know a thing or two, but *my* side of the family was never a part.)

And if I were RCC, I’d like to think I wouldn’t have to practice, I’d just go to Mass and do my thing.

stands for decibels

March 28th, 2013
7:30 am

ugh… need coffee. Sorry about the redundancy in that sentence, which should’ve read “(I’ve had contact with the RCC through marriage and know a thing or two, but *my* side of the family was never a part.)”

“marriage with the church” just reads weird…

Leonard

March 28th, 2013
7:31 am

GOP wedge issues starting to go AWOL for them? No problem! They’ll just make up some more.

Next up: young v. old. I can almost hear the new GOP cry now: “Kill Social Security and get the lazy Old of the backs of the struggling Young!”

They have to keep making those up because the last wedge issue they want us to ever notice is the REAL and profound conflict of interest between the economic 1% and the rest of us.

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 28th, 2013
7:32 am

“marriage with the church” just reads weird…

Nah, Nun’s do it all the time… :)

stands for decibels

March 28th, 2013
7:32 am

it was funny the way Biden (wasn’t it him) “outed” him.

Funny, I guess, although I’m willing to entertain the idea that it was all choreographed, including Biden’s supposed slip. If I were Joe I’d be totally into it. “Oh, I’ll kind of play the bad cop. cool.”

stands for decibels

March 28th, 2013
7:33 am

Nun’s do it all the time…

Reminds me of a rather rude line from the Clash’s “Death or Glory”.

“I believe in this and it’s been proven by research…”

naw, can’t type the next line.

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
7:39 am

yeah you were best to leave that line off. It’s kinda like my last red card…… I KNEW I shouldn’ta typed………… well I’m not going to type t again lol not ready for a few days off just now.

Brosephus™

March 28th, 2013
7:39 am

MiltonMan: You liberal whacks are the first to judge those that you believe unfairly judge.

You need to review last night’s exchange to see who was the first to judge here. There’s one who said he had the right to judge others, and he’s damn sure not a liberal.

stands for decibels

March 28th, 2013
7:42 am

Well, I’ve got the earworm now, might as well share for those who can listen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NRSQBSZdKI

Now every cheap hood strikes a bargain with the world
And ends up making payments on a sofa or a girl
Love ‘n’ hate tattooed across the knuckles of his hands
Hands that slap his kids around
’cause they don’t understand how
death or glory becomes just another story…

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
7:46 am

Speaking of worms, i wish that workm KAM would get his lazy butt out of bed. I just found a recipe for him lol. HOT fried Chicken. Nashville style. How funny. I grew up eating hot fried Chicken cajun style and even though I lived in Nashville for a while never noticed they had hot fried chicken………

Shine

March 28th, 2013
7:47 am

Nobody but booty bandits and rug munchers use gay marriage as a voting issue. GOP wont lose a vote opposing sodomy..

stands for decibels

March 28th, 2013
7:48 am

Guess I might give “Scratch It” yet another day to provide evidence for his assertion that the media deliberately avoids reporting on child rape because they don’t want to upset gay people.

(just a little advance warning. Yesterday I got called a “cockroach” for doing so. Wonder what charming name he’ll have for me today?)

stands for decibels

March 28th, 2013
7:52 am

Shine, why don’t you ride that horsie to victory in 2014. Be a Rump Republican, devoted to stamping out that evil Gay Marriage.

I think I’ll work on a jingle for these guys. Go something like…

Rump Republicans
Ridin’ off to victory
Rump Republicans
Manlier than manly
Saving the nation takes oh so many hands
Don’t you want to be one of us Rump Republicans?

needs work, but I’ve got it started.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 28th, 2013
7:53 am

Yesterday I got called a “cockroach” for doing so. Wonder what charming name he’ll have for me today

Are you looking for suggestions? :p ;)

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 28th, 2013
7:54 am

Well I see Shine is here to start the hate from the right early this morning.

DemWOP

March 28th, 2013
7:54 am

And you better pray the gays don’t push their new found freedom beyond its limits.

Catholic Charities in Illinois has served for more than 40 years as a major link in the state’s social service network for poor and neglected children. But now most of the Catholic Charities affiliates in Illinois are closing down rather than comply with a new requirement that says they can no longer receive state money if they turn away same-sex couples as potential foster care and adoptive parents.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2011/12/29/illinois-catholic-charities-close-rather-than-allow-same-sex-couples-adopt-children/Km9RBLkpKzABNLJbUGhvJM/story.html

The left has always coveted the Church’s money. It would serve as a round-about way to deny the Church their tax-exempt status.

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
7:59 am

DemWOP: I’m proud that the Catholic Church is sticking to it’s guns.

Find Muck

March 28th, 2013
8:00 am

The moral to the story for the attorney representing the APS teachers who caved to peer pressure: “It’s OK to cheat. There’s not a law against cheating” and we saw who’s mug was hanging in his office. More proof that little by little Mob Rule encroaches from the left into everyone’s life whether we want it or not(see gay mafia blitz that’s “in the news”)

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
8:02 am

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 28th, 2013
8:02 am

DemWOP can certainly tell us how much federal money those charities were receiving. Would it be okay for those charities to turn away someone jewish?

Brosephus™

March 28th, 2013
8:04 am

And the Butt Munch Brigade sends a scout to check out the domain @ 7:47 and spread the message of hate.

:lol: :lol:

Doggone/GA

March 28th, 2013
8:04 am

“that says they can no longer receive state money”
“The left has always coveted the Church’s money”

Ummmm…anyone else see the disconnect here?

DannyX

March 28th, 2013
8:07 am

“Ummmm…anyone else see the disconnect here?”

Yes, in so many ways. Amazing.

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
8:07 am

Keep: I applaud the Catholic Church for holding to their convictions by closing dow rather than compromising. Just as I applauded Muhammad Ali for going to jail rather than answer his draft summons.

I will not comment on what I think of the hills they chose to die on though lol.

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
8:08 am

Doggone: It’s typical of these folks on the right. Hypocrisy comes as natural to them as landing in water comes to a duck.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 28th, 2013
8:10 am

Fred, is there honor in dying for a cause of wrong? I agree. Wrong hill and given their history, not much moral standing.

stands for decibels

March 28th, 2013
8:12 am

I applaud the Catholic Church for holding to their convictions by closing dow rather than compromising.

Fred (as before) you’ve simply got this wrong. The RCC isn’t “holding to convictions,” they’re staking new ground here.

I know from personal experience that an agency affiliated with the RCC is not going to get excommunicated for facilitating a gay couple to adopt. This is something these psychopathic, child-hating f-ckers are doing by choice, because they are willing to sacrifice children to make a POLITICAL point.

They can die in a goddamned fire for all I care.

Granny Godzilla

March 28th, 2013
8:12 am

Fred

I can’t agree on the RCC……

They should know better.

It’s certainly not the first time that they took the “easy” way out
and it is simply shameful.

Paul

March 28th, 2013
8:13 am

stands

Last night was kinda fun. Kinda shocking, though, when I realized some of the bloggers were NOT playing the “post something, down a shot” game, that they were stone-cold sober. Now THAT’S sobering!

Morning, Brosephus

Following up from our conversation last night and that guy who was gonna do to you what Jesus (might) do and how he was going to ‘judge’ you…. did you catch this line after we’d signed off?

“. And I HAVE sternly warned people I believe are Christians about remarrying when they were not divorced for scriptural reasons.”

Now we know why some people gravitate to Jay’s Blog… in person, they tend to have only one conversation with a person, then they have to find a new person to have… one…. conversation with.

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
8:14 am

Keep: It was hard to phrase that correctly lol. Flat out saying: if you want State money follow the damn rules seemed a little harsh lol. There is enough bashing of the Catholics (and Christians) here without me adding fuel to the fire no matter how deserved the pyre may be……..

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 28th, 2013
8:16 am

Ahh the irony of the GOP

Dale Peterson, an Alabama Republican state official famous for flaunting his rifle in campaign ads promising to be tough on crime, was arrested Wednesday and charged with shoplifting a can of cashews. The arrest, first reported by Yellowhammer.com, marked the second time in six months that Peterson has been accused of stealing. … Peterson’s arrests are noteworthy in part because he made national news in 2010 for his tough-talking stance on crime during an unsuccessful run for Alabama agriculture commissioner. In a campaign ad that quickly went viral, Peterson suggested his opponents were “thugs and criminals,” and accused them of “stealing yard signs in the dark,” and “bragging about receiving illegal money on Facebook.”

Lifting a rifle to his shoulder, Peterson said, “We’re Republicans, we should be better than that,” and promised to “name names and take no prisoners” if elected.

td

March 28th, 2013
8:17 am

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
7:04 am

“Yeah, but they aren’t nutjobs for Christ like you. They are Christians. There is a difference. Where you got YOUR brand of hate from I don’t know, but it’s not from Jesus.”

That is the biggest lie you have ever written on this blog. The views of most Evangelical Christians today about homosexuality behavior being deviant behavior and a sin has been the same views of the church since the time of Jesus. Sin does not change just because you think it should change.

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
8:18 am

Stands, Granny: I don’t have much use for the Catholic Church as an entity so I try to avoid talking about them at all. If I get started then I REALLY cut loose and then Jay has this whole pocket full of red cards and then……. well we know where that goes. Them and Baptists…………..

Jay has about this many red cards ready for use…….

http://tinyurl.com/cdmrldb

DannyX

March 28th, 2013
8:19 am

Talk about Catholic disconnect…

Very Catholic Massachusetts was the first state to allow gay marriage. Very Catholic countries like Spain, Portugal, and Argentina allow gay marriage. Very Catholic Mexico City allows it, so do cities in Brazil.

Pope Francis supported civil unions when he was a Cardinal in Argentina.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 28th, 2013
8:20 am

Fred, I understand. I don’t think it is bashing the purported religious beliefs. If they have a “principled stand”, turning away from their internal problems is part of their “correction”. And as you indicate, don’t take federal money if you can’t follow the rules.

SouthernGent

March 28th, 2013
8:20 am

No Jay, you need to pray that Murdock’s group never buys the AJC and cleans out you and the other looney left who are allowed to spill kook aid through this medium.

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
8:20 am

That is the biggest lie you have ever written on this blog. The views of most Evangelical Christians today about homosexuality behavior being deviant behavior and a sin has been the same views of the church since the time of Jesus. Sin does not change just because you think it should change.

No sir, YOU are the liar. You have not seen ANYWHERE that I have said or not said that homosexuallity is a sin. What I DID say, and if you pulled your head out of your ass you could read it, heck, you even QUOTED it, is this: Where you got YOUR brand of hate from I don’t know, but it’s not from Jesus.

I should also query where you learned to LIE so much because THAT sure as hell isn’t from Jesus either.

The Sophist-icated Republican

March 28th, 2013
8:21 am

I don’t know what the outcome of the GOP’s prayers on gay marriage will be but I do know that their prayers regarding Obama’s presidency have finally been answered–he will not be serving another term. I suppose they can cite this as evidence of their power of prayer.

HDB

March 28th, 2013
8:22 am

One thing that hasn’t come out as it should: MILITARY MORALE!! What about those married couples that have someone that is serving in the military? There are military benefits that married personnel have…and how much of an adverse effect would it be on military readiness if MARRIED same-sex couples are denied the benefits that otherwise married personnel have access to!! There are numerous flag officers that have added their input to the amicus brief to the Supremes!!

The repeal of “don’t ask, don’t tell” also makes same-sex marriage a FEDERAL issue….and Prop 8 and DOMA are marginalizing aspects of military life…..and since the military can NOT marginalize its personnel….look for DOMA and Prop 8 to be thrown out…………..

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
8:23 am

DannyX

March 28th, 2013
8:23 am

“Sin does not change just because you think it should change.”

Sure it does. Divorce and remarriage Biblical law have been pretty much erased from American churches.

Divorce is a CHOICE!

Granny Godzilla

March 28th, 2013
8:23 am

td

“That is the biggest lie you have ever written on this blog. The views of most Evangelical Christians today about homosexuality behavior being deviant behavior and a sin has been the same views of the church since the time of Jesus. Sin does not change just because you think it should change.”

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Then they have been wrong all this time.

And repent while they can.

AS Jesus said regarding homosexuality,….oops he didn’t!

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
8:24 am

SouthernGent

March 28th, 2013
8:20 am

No Jay, you need to pray that Murdock’s group never buys the AJC and cleans out you and the other looney left who are allowed to spill kook aid through this medium.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

That must be a Yankee imposter. A Southern Gent wouldn’t be so rude and abusive. Damn Yankee carpet baggers are stealing our names now………

stands for decibels

March 28th, 2013
8:25 am

heh, heh, heh…

Jay, you need to pray that Murdock’s [sic] group never buys the AJC

Took you the better part of the day to come up with THAT zinger?

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
8:26 am

Enter your comments here

The Sophist-icated Republican

March 28th, 2013
8:26 am

td and others seem to think that they have some special ability to define sin for anyone other than themselves. Truly a poorly developed position to say the least.

Thomas Heyward Jr

March 28th, 2013
8:26 am

“Speaking in purely political terms, the best thing the Supreme Court could do for the future of the Republican Party is issue a sweeping ruling that gay marriage is a constitutionally protected right. By doing so, it would pretty much gut the issue as a point of political contention.”
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Actually for once, Bookman is probably right on this point.
There are many spineless unprincipled Republicans (sorry for the redundency) that would breath a sigh of relief having government lawyers unconstitutionally decide this matter.
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But the positive aspect of a decision in favore of gay marraige will be even MORE disgust by the majority of Americans at the creepy supremes.
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That’s a good thing for decent Americans….and a bad thing for those progressives who bow at the foot of .gov.
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(I could care less about gay marraige. If I was gay I would marry anyone I wished. I am a real man who does not cower before nine government robe-wearing overpaid lawyers and I definetly would not want ANY federale to have ANYTHING to do with the sacred institute of marraige.)

Doggone/GA

March 28th, 2013
8:26 am

“The views of most Evangelical Christians today about homosexuality behavior being deviant behavior ”

It’s only kinky the first time

Paul

March 28th, 2013
8:27 am

“The views of most Evangelical Christians today about homosexuality behavior being deviant behavior and a sin has been the same views of the church since the time of Jesus. Sin does not change just because you think it should change.”

Y’know, td, your good intentions aside, to many here you come across like this:

” but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.

2 At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4 and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” 6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.

But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, when td stepped forward and yelled “Me! Me! She’s a sinner! The scriptures say so! You have NO RIGHT to let her off! Stone her, you hypocrite!!!!”

As I said, intentions aside, that’s what some see -

indigo

March 28th, 2013
8:27 am

Fred

Have you ever tried percolated coffee?

Doggone/GA

March 28th, 2013
8:28 am

“I definetly would not want ANY federale to have ANYTHING to do with the sacred institute of marraige”

Except that it’s not a “sacred institution”…it’s a legal contract

Paul

March 28th, 2013
8:29 am

td

I was thinking more of Towncrier, but you’re here with the same mindset -

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
8:29 am

indigo: A LONG time ago lol. It used to be “the way” to brew it. My dad would add one spoon of coffee for every cup and then “one for the pot” and THEN add a dash of salt and plug it in.

indigo

March 28th, 2013
8:29 am

Granny – 8:23

That’s the second time, that I know of, you’ve referenced what Jesus did or did not say. Does this mean you only go by what he says and ignore what Paul, Peter and others say?

TiredOfIt

March 28th, 2013
8:30 am

“Deviant behavior cost me and everyone else as long as we, as a nation, decides that we are “humane”. . You progressives just do not want to face reality.”
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Why is alcohol legal? It certainly causes deviant behavior.

td

March 28th, 2013
8:30 am

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
8:20 am

““Yeah, but they aren’t nutjobs for Christ like you”

For you to call a person a “nutjob” now for standing on 1000’s of years of church teachings and theology is one big huge LIE. No way around it. You LIED.

Doggone/GA

March 28th, 2013
8:31 am

“now for standing on 1000’s of years of church teachings”

Which church’s teachings?

Marvin

March 28th, 2013
8:34 am

Since the lines being drawn have a bit of a 60s flavor, it might be a good time for a few lyrics from the laureate of that era – Dylan.
“Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don’t criticize
What you can’t understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is
Rapidly agin’
Please get out of the new one
If you can’t lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin’. “

Paul

March 28th, 2013
8:34 am

Doggone/GA

Good question. American Protestantism ain’t that old -

The Sophist-icated Republican

March 28th, 2013
8:35 am

If td truly wished to express his beliefs in a more religious manner, I believe he could do so by phrasing his arguments such that he is defining how he chooses to live his life, for comparison purposes, rather than appearing to dictate how others should live their lives. Then again, how should I know what td truly wishes to express, beyond what he has already expressed.

td

March 28th, 2013
8:35 am

TiredOfIt

March 28th, 2013
8:30 am

“Deviant behavior cost me and everyone else as long as we, as a nation, decides that we are “humane”. . You progressives just do not want to face reality.”
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Why is alcohol legal? It certainly causes deviant behavior.

1: I do not think it should be legal as long as we (the nation) continue to pay for the consequences of someone that chooses to abuse it.

2: Drinking alcohol is not a sin loosing self control and getting drunk is the sin.

Brosephus™

March 28th, 2013
8:35 am

Fred @ 8:02

What the hell is that!!!!? :lol:

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Paul

A one conversation pony… kinda like a one-trick pony, huh? :)

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
8:35 am

For you to call a person a “nutjob” now for standing on 1000’s of years of church teachings and theology is one big huge LIE. No way around it. You LIED.

Nope. Again, pull your head out of your ass so you can READ the parts written, and quit lying about it. You are a nutjob for your HATE. HATE is not a tenent of Christ. Neither is your lying.

Hell you even lie about lying. How stupid are you?

Gale

March 28th, 2013
8:36 am

Wow, things got nasty last night. I can agree homosexuality is abnormal. So is left handedness; in about the same ratio. People once though left handedness was a sign of evil. We ‘evolved’ beyond that. We learned it was not really useful to try to retrain them to be right handed. We need to evolve past thinking homosexuals are evil because they are different from the norm. And for heaven sake, stop fixing on sex! There is more to a relationship than sex.

The Sophist-icated Republican

March 28th, 2013
8:36 am

Why is alcohol legal? It certainly causes deviant behavior.

Only when consumed and then only in sufficient quantity and by people affected by it in said quantity.

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
8:37 am

Then again, how should I know what td truly wishes to express, beyond what he has already expressed.

Exactly. And he expresses HATE. He projects HATE and calls it for Jesus. Jesus didn’t preach hate.

Scratch It

March 28th, 2013
8:37 am

Jay

“DOMA – signed into law by none other than Bill Clinton”

Yeah, you knew that one was coming. The game is familiar. In 20 years, conservatives will be claiming it was the Democrats who opposed gay rights all along, citing DOMA as their evidence.

Wow jay you must be a prophet? Homosexual marriage in normal thinking southern states will still be illegal jay. We certainly won’t have to worry about that filth coming here because of our large Christian population including Hispanics and African/Americans.

globeflyer

March 28th, 2013
8:38 am

I am all for “Civil Unions” with every legal nuance that married couples enjoy. I am convinced that our Constitution, and legal framework, supports that freedom. I am not for the term “marriage” being hijacked in order to make someone feel that, somehow, their same-sex partnership is “ordained” or blessed by God. I would be willing to bet that a large percentage of same-sex couples are not religious, let alone Christian, so it’s really about trying to force one’s opinion of a foundational issue on others. I have a close relative who’s gay and I love him, but that doesn’t mean I agree with him. He should have every legal right, and standing, that this Country affords. In my opinion, this is one instance where “Separation of Church and State” is detrimental to the LGBT argument.

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
8:38 am

Next td is gonna tell us that Jesus didn’t REALLY turn water into wine………

td

March 28th, 2013
8:38 am

Doggone/GA

March 28th, 2013
8:31 am

“now for standing on 1000’s of years of church teachings”

Which church’s teachings?

Pick one (Christian, Islamic or Jewish) and do a little research and you will find that each one has taught for 1000’s of years that homosexuality as well as adultery are sins.

Brosephus™

March 28th, 2013
8:39 am

Paul @ 8:27

Should I feel bad for LOLing at that?

Granny Godzilla

March 28th, 2013
8:39 am

indigo

March 28th, 2013
8:29 am
Granny – 8:23

That’s the second time, that I know of, you’ve referenced what Jesus did or did not say. Does this mean you only go by what he says and ignore what Paul, Peter and others say?
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You mean you don’t?

Are you a Peterian, a Paulian or a Christian?

Make up your mind.

The Sophist-icated Republican

March 28th, 2013
8:40 am

td,

Are concubines still fair game?

Steve

March 28th, 2013
8:41 am

I find it amusing when I read a conservative complaining that liberals “bow at the foot of government.” Who bows at the feet of their conservative leaders when the war drums start sounding? Who is entranced and practically worships the big government military industrial complex? :-)

Thomas Heyward Jr

March 28th, 2013
8:41 am

Also American Protestantism was born of the complete Peace movement.
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The Huckabee’s of the world have besmirched evangelicals and are sick violent war-mongering Neo-Cons.
No better than Obama Progressive Neo-Cons.

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
8:41 am

I have 21 beers in my fridge. If I start pounding them now do you think i can type anything as irrational and twisted as td is right now? Do you think I will at that point be mindless enough to twist others words into all kinds of stupid things they didn’t say? Do you think I’ll be able to hate like him and call it all for Jesus?

or should i just forget about it and save the beers for the games tonight?

Morality?

March 28th, 2013
8:41 am

HOG wash! Never base your morals on whether something is “fashionable” or not.

Scratch It

March 28th, 2013
8:41 am

Jay

“And the “Affordable” Care Act that was passed does nothing to bend cost curve down (which was a selling point).

It certainly does too little, and it does too little largely because every effort at putting effective cost-containment provisions into the law were undercut by those either ideologically or financially opposed to such measures.

By the way. I’m still waiting for an answer on this Jay. What dems beholden to healthcare providers failed to put in cost containment measures in obamacare?

Grand Pa Jones

March 28th, 2013
8:42 am

:Let the queers have their day in the sun!! According to scripture they will self destruct.

Peadawg

March 28th, 2013
8:42 am

“homosexuality as well as adultery”

One of these things is not like the other…

stands for decibels

March 28th, 2013
8:42 am

Homosexual marriage in normal thinking southern states will still be illegal jay.

You wish.

Oh, and SCRATCH IT:

“The media sweeps under the rug many child molestation’s because it may offend the homosexual community.”

That’s what you claimed. I am still waiting for your evidence.

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
8:43 am

Pick one (Christian, Islamic or Jewish) and do a little research and you will find that each one has taught for 1000’s of years that homosexuality as well as adultery are sins.

And what do they say about your hatred and your bearing false witness against others? Are THOSE sins as well/ And which sin did JESUS say was the worst one when asked?

Thomas Heyward Jr

March 28th, 2013
8:43 am

Steve

March 28th, 2013
8:41 am

I find it amusing when I read a conservative complaining that liberals “bow at the foot of government.” Who bows at the feet of their conservative leaders when the war drums start sounding? Who is entranced and practically worships the big government military industrial complex?
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It isn’t conservatives who bow to the state…………nor is it liberals.
It’s Progressives.
Get a clue.

Steve

March 28th, 2013
8:44 am

I’m a progressive and I rarely deal with “the government” unless I’m paying taxes. So what are you babbling about?

td

March 28th, 2013
8:45 am

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
8:35 am

For you to call a person a “nutjob” now for standing on 1000’s of years of church teachings and theology is one big huge LIE. No way around it. You LIED.

Nope. Again, pull your head out of your ass so you can READ the parts written, and quit lying about it. You are a nutjob for your HATE. HATE is not a tenent of Christ. Neither is your lying.

Hell you even lie about lying. How stupid are you?

What hate are you talking about. To call me a hater is just another lie because you do not know my heart.

To say that homosexual behavior is deviant and a sin is not hate. It is telling the truth. If you see it as hate then that is your problem that you can not handle the truth. For you to call someone a hater for that opinion is a lie because it has been the views of every major religion for 1000’s of years.

indigo

March 28th, 2013
8:45 am

Granny – 8:39

Most Christians think the ENTIRE New Testament is the revealed word of God.

I take it you don’t. Or, maybe some parts are just more “revealed” that others.

Did God “reveal” that nugget of wisdom to you?

Paul

March 28th, 2013
8:45 am

Brosephus 8:39

Well, it is kinda funny, in a sad sort of way -

MiltonMan

March 28th, 2013
8:46 am

““See these Christians, how they love (HATE?!?) one another.” As for me, organized religion, in whatever guise, scares me & reminds me of Joe McCarthy, & the nazis, & Ghengis Kahn, & the crusaders, & the so called Moral Majority, jjust to mention a few of the notorious haters in history.”

No mention of modern day Islamic jihadists, coptic christians being killed and tortured in mosques in Obama’s new gained friendly country of Egypt, etc., etc???

The Sophist-icated Republican

March 28th, 2013
8:46 am

Someone left the closet door open. Grandpa got out again.

Steve

March 28th, 2013
8:47 am

TD – the bible clearly says that judging others is a sin. And there you are, judging others.. Me thinks you are throwing stones in glass houses, and the tone of your posts come across as hateful. Who needs to “read your heart” when we can read your posts?

stands for decibels

March 28th, 2013
8:48 am

I am all for “Civil Unions” with every legal nuance that married couples enjoy

The 1970s called. They want their South African “Homelands” back.

Scratch It

March 28th, 2013
8:49 am

stands for decibels:

Heres just a small sample for ya. Google is your friend if you’d like to know more… Now move along… This should be main stream news but it may portray homosexuals in a negative way. Listen up folks. When you play around with feces nothing good can happen. And that just what homo’s do….. There’s tons more examples if one wanted to google it. Homosexuals try and keep each other informed but the media refuses to tell the rest of the population…

http://gaycitynews.com/with-four-new-meningitis-cases-in-gay-men-quinn-farley-join-call-for-vaccination/

Doggone/GA

March 28th, 2013
8:49 am

“Pick one (Christian”

There is no “one” Christian church. So, again, I ask WHICH church’s teachings?

Peadawg

March 28th, 2013
8:50 am

“I am all for “Civil Unions” with every legal nuance that married couples enjoy”

Yup b/c “separate but equal” worked so well before…

Occupy White House

March 28th, 2013
8:50 am

but at least Jesus was the first communist

The Sophist-icated Republican

March 28th, 2013
8:50 am

Has td ever professed here to live by the scripture? Or try to do so? Or to confess his sins?

Steve

March 28th, 2013
8:51 am

@Scratch It – you do realize that many heterosexuals “play around with feces” as you so delicately put it, right? And that many gay folks don’t “play around with feces”?

Brosephus™

March 28th, 2013
8:51 am

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 28th, 2013
8:51 am

Interesting note about the above graph. Looks like support for SSM declined 2012-13 in all groups, sans one.

People must be getting sick of hearing about it.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 28th, 2013
8:52 am

When you play around with feces=Scratch nothing good can happen

Stands, this might be a good one to accept

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
8:52 am

What does Jesus say about your hate and your lying td? What about your bearing false witness against your neighbors?

Come on now td, tell us which sin JESUS said was worse, homosexuality or lying? What did James say td? Which did HE think was worse? What did James say about homosexuality? What did he say about lies and your nasty tongue in Chapter 3?

td

March 28th, 2013
8:53 am

Steve

March 28th, 2013
8:47 am

TD – the bible clearly says that judging others is a sin. And there you are, judging others.. Me thinks you are throwing stones in glass houses, and the tone of your posts come across as hateful. Who needs to “read your heart” when we can read your posts?

To judge someone would be to take action against someone. To point out to someone that there actions are considered a sin to God is not to judge them and is the duty of a follower.

Welcome to the Occupation

March 28th, 2013
8:53 am

td: “Pick one (Christian, Islamic or Jewish) and do a little research and you will find that each one has taught for 1000’s of years that homosexuality as well as adultery are sins.”

And that’s relevant how? Last time I checked the United States, being a non-theocratic nation, a secular nation that grew out of the Enlightenment, is equally indifferent to the religious doctrine of any tradition.

Normal, plain and simple

March 28th, 2013
8:54 am

“Most Christians think the ENTIRE New Testament is the revealed word of God.”

Then most Christians have been duped by their teachers…

You have to study the history of the Bible. When, and how…the reasons why…it was made. How it was produced and how many times it was changed. It is no more “the definative Word of God” than Mad Magazine is.

Gale

March 28th, 2013
8:54 am

Whenever someone fixates on anal sex as a reason gays should not marry, I immediately think they still harbor potty training issues. I just do. I try to not go there, but that always comes to mind. :-)

Thomas Heyward Jr

March 28th, 2013
8:55 am

“HATE hath no fury ….than a progressive confronting a bitter-clinging 50 year-old Southern white man citing the constitution and his God who refuses to buy an overpriced terrible insurance policy under Obama-care . Unslip the drones”.
Jebidian Jones….The New American Testiment

stands for decibels

March 28th, 2013
8:55 am

Heres just a small sample for ya. Google is your friend if you’d like to know more…

That link says nothing about child molestation.

Here is what you wrote, Scratch it.

“The media sweeps under the rug many child molestation’s because it may offend the homosexual community.”

That’s what you claimed. It was an outrageous claim. I am still waiting for your evidence.

If you cannot provide evidence, admit you are wrong, and I will stop harassing you.

(And here’s a free clue–merely posting a story about how gay men are working to advance what they believe is sensible public health policy does not constitute evidence for your outrageous claim.)

Steve

March 28th, 2013
8:55 am

“To judge someone would be to take action against someone. To point out to someone that there actions are considered a sin to God is not to judge them and is the duty of a follower.”

holy crap, that is the biggest pile of BS I’ve ever read

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
8:55 am

Steve

March 28th, 2013
8:47 am

TD – the bible clearly says that judging others is a sin.
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Really? Show me where. Matthew Says, Judge AS YOU WOULD BE JUDGED, not don’t judge. That is the most twisted scripture ever.

We ALL make judgements every day. We have to.

Granny Godzilla

March 28th, 2013
8:55 am

indigo

March 28th, 2013
8:45 am
Granny – 8:39

Most Christians think the ENTIRE New Testament is the revealed word of God.

I take it you don’t. Or, maybe some parts are just more “revealed” that others.

Did God “reveal” that nugget of wisdom to you?
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First off, I don’t think YOU or I have the corner on “what most christians” believe.

Secondly, the bible is the revealed word as edited by Constantine and the Bishops in the First Council of Nicea.

And Yes GOD has made himself known to me. I have had an “evangelical experience” …I’d be happy to share it if you would like.

Steve

March 28th, 2013
8:56 am

And TD, Jesus spoke out against Greed dozens of times. He was not obsessed with sexual behavior. Paul was, and Paul never married, had a “thorn in his side” (hmmm, what could that be?), and was obsessed with sex.

DannyX

March 28th, 2013
8:57 am

“To point out to someone that there actions are considered a sin to God is not to judge them and is the duty of a follower.”

td, what are your actions that are considered to be “a sin to God” that we should point out?

td, what are your sins?

Gale

March 28th, 2013
8:58 am

“The Bible” is a well intended lesson/story book, meant to guide/control a population. We have real science available to us today, and much better communication. We know, for example, the sun does not circle the earth, although the “church” told us otherwise for many years.

straitroad

March 28th, 2013
8:58 am

Notice that no one ever describes the homosexual lifestyle detailing the actual physical acts involved. There is a reason for this. It turns one’s stomach.

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
8:59 am

Paul never married, had a “thorn in his side”

I heard a preacher once say maybe it was gas, REALLY bad, smelly gas lol. He made a good sermon and a good point out of it. It was awesome.

Steve

March 28th, 2013
8:59 am

The Bible and “judging others:

http://www.openbible.info/topics/judging_others

I would have cut and paste, but the list was so long.

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 28th, 2013
9:00 am

” Paul was, and Paul never married, had a “thorn in his side” (hmmm, what could that be?), and was obsessed with sex.”

and didn’t like or respect women.

td

March 28th, 2013
9:00 am

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
8:52 am

That is your opinion that I am a liar. Under your own standards the views you have are the exact same “lies” to others with different views. You can try to spin it all you want but if others with different viewpoints judged your writings by the same standards as you do then you would be judged as big a liar as you judge my writings.

Now go ahead and drink those 21 beers, get drunk so that you can commit another sin and ponder your lies for a while.

Normal, plain and simple

March 28th, 2013
9:00 am

Gale,
Fist. Good morning to you, cousin!

I never have figured out the fixation on gay sex either. I know from two good friends that there is much, much more to their loving relationship than sex. Just as it is the same for me and my wife. They have raised two wonderful children as we had raised ours. Fear and ignorance is all I can think of to explain it. Just plain ignorance and fear.

Steve

March 28th, 2013
9:00 am

@straitroad, when I see two fat, ugly rednecks at Walmart, and then try to imagine them having sex, I want to throw up.

So, because of that, I think we should petition to deny them rights.

Peadawg

March 28th, 2013
9:01 am

What are your sins, td? Tell us so we can judge you like you’re judging others.

Granny Godzilla

March 28th, 2013
9:02 am

straitroad

Notice that no one ever describes the homosexual lifestyle detailing the actual physical acts involved. There is a reason for this. It turns one’s stomach.
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Does your stomach turn when a woman fellates you too?

td

March 28th, 2013
9:02 am

straitroad

March 28th, 2013
8:58 am

Notice that no one ever describes the homosexual lifestyle detailing the actual physical acts involved. There is a reason for this. It turns one’s stomach.

And for that very reason is why the votes on same sex marriage are way larger in rejecting it then people tell pollsters.

DannyX

March 28th, 2013
9:02 am

” It turns one’s stomach.”

straitroad, what do you do in the sack?

DannyX

March 28th, 2013
9:02 am

“And for that very reason is why the votes on same sex marriage are way larger in rejecting it then people tell pollsters.”

td, what do you do in the sack?

Peadawg

March 28th, 2013
9:03 am

Steve
March 28th, 2013
9:00 am

The fat redneck lifestyle… :lol: Nice one, Steve.

Welcome to the Occupation

March 28th, 2013
9:03 am

straightroad: “Notice that no one ever describes the homosexual lifestyle detailing the actual physical acts involved. There is a reason for this. It turns one’s stomach.”

Not everyone’s.

td

March 28th, 2013
9:03 am

Peadawg

March 28th, 2013
9:01 am

What are your sins, td? Tell us so we can judge you like you’re judging others.

I sin daily and fall short of the glory of God.

Beefcake

March 28th, 2013
9:04 am

Flatulence is bliss

(this is NOT hate)

Gale

March 28th, 2013
9:04 am

straitroad: Notice that no one ever describes the homosexual lifestyle detailing the actual physical acts involved.”

Actually, it is because there is no one “lifestyle” and there is a lot more to love than sex, just as with straight relationships. STOP fixating on sex! It isn’t healthy.

philosopher

March 28th, 2013
9:05 am

“For you to call a person a “nutjob” now for standing on 1000’s of years of church teachings and theology is one big huge LIE.”

Actually, people have manipulated, controlled, and discriminated in the name of God consistently for thousands of years.

“To say that homosexual behavior is deviant and a sin is not hate. It is telling the truth.”

Actually, it is not the truth..it is your OPINION. Not every Christian is homophobic …some actually live and breathe Jesus’s admonishment to love each other as He loves us and to judge not. If you want to do as He says and love others (ALL other, not just folks like yourself), start by opening your heart rather than closing it…and here is a good place to start- a thoughtful discussion by a Christian gay male about what the Bible says about gay relationships….can you handle it? http://www.matthewvines.com/

Steve

March 28th, 2013
9:05 am

Why do ugly rednecks want equal rights? They turn my stomach!

Normal, plain and simple

March 28th, 2013
9:05 am

Granny G wirtes, I have had an “evangelical experience”…

And I’ve gotta say I have too…of course mine was with a bottle of Blue Nun and a couple of pain killers…

straitroad

March 28th, 2013
9:05 am

DannyX

March 28th, 2013
9:02 am

Nothing that will cause long term damage to my body.

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
9:06 am

That is your opinion that I am a liar.

Nope. It’s not an OPINION it’s a FACT. You started today by lying and bearing false witness against me. you LIED when you claimed I have made any statement about whether or not homosexuality is a sin. You know it’s a lie because i didn’t say anything like thta on this blog. Yet you keep repeating the lie and calling ME a liar. That again is bearing false witness and lying.

YOU are making things up. I am not. We have your words right here to PROVE you are a liar and are bearing false witness. There are no such words thta I have typed to so condemn me.

Jesus is NOT proud of your hate and your lies.

clem

March 28th, 2013
9:06 am

scotus conservatives ducking the issue

Scratch It

March 28th, 2013
9:06 am

stands for decibels:

Here is an article with a couple of links to study’s done that shows homosexual parents aren’t up to task of raising children. Why did the media ignore this?

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/06/11/new-research-on-children-of-same-sex-parents-suggests-differences-matter/

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0049089X12000610

Doggone/GA

March 28th, 2013
9:07 am

“and didn’t like or respect women”

That’s not true. I used to think things like that about Paul, too…until I read John Dominic Crossan’s book on Paul. It gives a whole new insight into the man and his mission, and his writings….AND what is ATTRIBUTED to him

Scratch It

March 28th, 2013
9:08 am

As jay and his like minded sheep would have you believe homosexual marriage is supported by everyone but Republicans and those dirty Christians….

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/03/28/gay-man-pens-op-ed-against-same-sex-marriage/

DannyX

March 28th, 2013
9:08 am

“I sin daily and fall short of the glory of God.”

What a cop out. Let’s hear it. We need to point out to you that your actions are considered a sin to God, it is our duty as a follower.

td, what are your sins?

DannyX

March 28th, 2013
9:10 am

“Nothing that will cause long term damage to my body.”

straitroad, you let us be the judge of that. What do you do in the sack?

Joe Hussein Mama

March 28th, 2013
9:10 am

K71 — ” Just because MA allows gays to marry, that does not meant that Texas must recognize the marriage if their laws prohibit it.”

Wrong.

That’s exactly the sort of thing that the Full Faith and Credit Clause speaks to. A state can prohibit gay marriage within its own borders, but it *cannot* abrogate a gay marriage lawfully done in another state.

States have absolutely no power to invalidate any sort of legal contract that was lawfully executed in any other state and are, in fact, Constitutionally *enjoined* from doing so.

straitroad

March 28th, 2013
9:10 am

Gale

March 28th, 2013
9:04 am

You’re correct, certain acts aren’t healthy. I figured I’d strike a nerve with that post because it’s exactly the thing you guys don’t want people to think about.

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
9:11 am

td, what are your sins?

From what we see daily on this blog, lying and bearing false witness against his neighbor top the list……..

Gale

March 28th, 2013
9:11 am

Good morning, Normal. When the nut jobs start posting, it makes me ever so happy there are rational folks like you. It may have something to do with clear mountain water. But then, I remember the many other rational folks here and I think it must just be a spirit of good will that exists in most people. The nut jobs are just abnormal.

Steve

March 28th, 2013
9:12 am

Lots of things that straight people do aren’t healthy, like guzzling soda all day long, scarfing down bags of CHeetos, drinking alcohol excessively and smoking.

So, I think it’s time to remove their rights and make them second class citizens.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 28th, 2013
9:12 am

Fred — “I have 21 beers in my fridge”

Party at Fred’s place! XD

Normal, plain and simple

March 28th, 2013
9:13 am

The Blaze!!?? Scratchy quotes The Blaze as gospel??? Too funny!

ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT

March 28th, 2013
9:13 am

GOP is done . Put a fork in them……LOSERS…

Granny Godzilla

March 28th, 2013
9:14 am

Normal

I can handle the teasing, but I did have an evangelical experience.

td

March 28th, 2013
9:15 am

philosopher

March 28th, 2013
9:05 am

“To say that homosexual behavior is deviant and a sin is not hate. It is telling the truth.”

“Actually, it is not the truth..it is your OPINION. Not every Christian is homophobic …some actually live and breathe Jesus’s admonishment to love each other”

To call out sin is not being homophobic nor does it mean one does not love another person. Love the person hate the sin.

We love (agape) our children but to raise them properly then we have to tell them (and punish them) when they are not acting in a proper manner.

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
9:15 am

HATE BREAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wowser. I’m drooling………. 500 HP and 470 Ft. lbs. or torque……….

http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/2014-camaro-z-28-legend-returns-more-500-182710880.html

ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT

March 28th, 2013
9:15 am

ITS his or her @#$^ they can haul coal in it if they want to.

Steve

March 28th, 2013
9:16 am

td, since when are we “your children”?

Since you’re not Jesus Christ himself, maybe you should tend to your own issues first?

Scratch It

March 28th, 2013
9:16 am

Peadawg

What are your sins, td? Tell us so we can judge you like you’re judging others.

That’s really an ignorant question. It’s not your job or my job to judge. No one is being judged for that matter. Do you want a society where being a drug addict is accepted? No! Do we want a society where pedophilia is accepted? No! Christians simply don’t want a society where sexual deviant behavior is made to seem normal…

philosopher

March 28th, 2013
9:16 am

td

March 28th, 2013
9:15 am
Horse manure!

Finn McCool (the system isn't broken; it's fixed)

March 28th, 2013
9:17 am

The “Silent Generation”?

These people haven’t met my father in law.

Gale

March 28th, 2013
9:17 am

Not healthy, straitroad? Well, any unsafe sex, gay or straight could be unhealthy. Gays do not have a corner on that. At the risk of insulting the many men here, I would counter that committed lesbians are the healthiest, std-wise.

Finn McCool (the system isn't broken; it's fixed)

March 28th, 2013
9:18 am

Christians simply don’t want a society where sexual deviant behavior is made to seem normal…

The rest of us don’t want christians defining what is “normal” for us.

Steve

March 28th, 2013
9:18 am

Scratchh it – define “sexual deviant behavior”? Where do you draw the line? It’s normal only when a man and a woman do it missionary style fully clothed in the dark once a year?

Steve

March 28th, 2013
9:19 am

Finn you beat me to it :)

DannyX

March 28th, 2013
9:19 am

“Love the person hate the sin.”

td, what are your sins we need to call out?

levels of blackness

March 28th, 2013
9:19 am

Boring topic BM about as relevant as light skinned v. dark skinned

The Sophist-icated Republican

March 28th, 2013
9:19 am

What manner of punishment does td inflict upon himself for his self-professed daily sinning.

stands for decibels

March 28th, 2013
9:21 am

Scratch it, you can stop the deflecturbating any old time and admit you have nothing whatsoever to support your outrageous claim about child rape stories being repressed.

here was your quote:

“The media sweeps under the rug many child molestation’s because it may offend the homosexual community.”

That’s what you claimed. I am still waiting for your evidence.

td

March 28th, 2013
9:21 am

DannyX

March 28th, 2013
9:08 am

“I sin daily and fall short of the glory of God.”

What a cop out. Let’s hear it. We need to point out to you that your actions are considered a sin to God, it is our duty as a follower.

Supporting homosexual actions and abortion are not considered following the path of God so I will question your ability to call out my sins.

Steve

March 28th, 2013
9:22 am

td, you speak for God now?

Brosephus™

March 28th, 2013
9:23 am

Fred

I looked at that car last night… Love that it only comes with a manual six. I don’t need another car note, but that would be one worth having. :)

DannyX

March 28th, 2013
9:23 am

“Supporting homosexual actions and abortion are not considered following the path of God so I will question your ability to call out my sins.”

Sorry td, Jesus didn’t give you that waiver. If you can find a waiver share it.

td, what are your sins we need to call out?

stands for decibels

March 28th, 2013
9:23 am

Boring topic BM

Bowel movements? Yeah, but some people here seem fascinated by such matter. For example.

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
9:24 am

Supporting homosexual actions and abortion are not considered following the path of God so I will question your ability to call out my sins.

And Jesus said those two sins were worse than your daily lying and bearing fals witness? Could you direct me to that chapter and verse please? I can’t seem to find it. I find where Jesus says otherwise.

Paul

March 28th, 2013
9:24 am

“Notice that no one ever describes the homosexual lifestyle detailing the actual physical acts involved. There is a reason for this. It turns one’s stomach.

And for that very reason is why the votes on same sex marriage are way larger in rejecting it then people tell pollsters.”

td and straitroad have unresolved man issues. They never talk about two women having sex.

It’s been noted before, but it’s always the superconservativeChristians who are fixated on sex whenever the discussion is about relationships.

Granny Godzilla

March 28th, 2013
9:24 am

td

“suporting homosexual actions and abortion are not considered following the path of God so I will question your ability to call out my sins”

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you ability to recognize sin is deeply flawed by your personal distaste
for some of God’s more fabulous creations.

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 28th, 2013
9:24 am

Lots of things that straight people do aren’t healthy, like guzzling soda all day long, scarfing down bags of CHeetos, drinking alcohol excessively and smoking.

So, I think it’s time to remove their rights and make them second class citizens.

Lots of people agree with you and are doing all they can.

Finn McCool (the system isn't broken; it's fixed)

March 28th, 2013
9:24 am

We love (agape) our children but to raise them properly then we have to tell them (and punish them) when they are not acting in a proper manner.

Man, I feel sorry for your kids.

clem

March 28th, 2013
9:25 am

if homosexuals are morally deviant, why are so many good and decent folks in every other way? they seek a permanent relationship, sort of like old folks that marry.

philosopher

March 28th, 2013
9:26 am

td; “Supporting homosexual actions and abortion are not considered following the path of God so I will question your ability to call out my sins.”

Again, this is your OPINION. I (and maybe one or two others) DO NOT accept your authority or your assumption that you and those like you are in charge of “what is considered to be”.

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
9:26 am

Brocephus: The new Camaro is the FIRST car I have ever really “wanted” and I like this one even more. When you see me in one I will also have a Harley. And when you see THAT you will know I have millions in the bank, all my bills are paid, including house. money is set aside for college for the girlchild all the way through Harvard Med School if that’s what she wants, (do they even HAVE a med school lol) and there is no possibility of me ever needing more cash lol.

kayaker 71

March 28th, 2013
9:26 am

The present argument before the SCOTUS has little to nothing to do with who can marry who. You can marry your labrador retriever if you want to. It has everything to do with the financial aspect of a union between two individuals. DOMA simply states that if federal benefits, ie SS, pension, IRAs, etc, are to be willed, granted to another person in a marriage, that person must be of the opposite sex. Same sex unions need not apply. None of this is about who can marry who. You can marry whom you damn well please. It has everything to do with the financial aspect of the union. The SCOTUS will no doubt dodge the bullet and refer most of this back to the states to do with as they see fit which is where it belongs. In a free society, government has no right to tell you who you can marry. If DOMA is overturned by the Supremes, it gets a lot more complicated and having 50 different state legislatures try to decide of what is right or wrong will be the greatest clusterf….. we have seen in awhile.

stands for decibels

March 28th, 2013
9:26 am

Supporting homosexual actions and abortion

Oh, and THAT. Taking a sensible approach that first trimester abortion should not be criminalized is not equal to “supporting abortion.”

If abortion really bothers you so much:

1. don’t have one
2. encourage comprehensive age-appropriate reproductive health education in classrooms.
3. support the PPACA’s coverage of contraceptive prescriptions.

…I’m sure you can think of some other sensible public policy positions to take, with the aim of reducing the number of elective abortions performed in this country.

Occupy White House

March 28th, 2013
9:26 am

“Flatulence is bliss”

…but packing fudge? ‘choooooooooo

The Sophist-icated Republican

March 28th, 2013
9:27 am

Man, I feel sorry for your kids.

Perhaps he has no children.

Thomas Heyward Jr

March 28th, 2013
9:28 am

It is sad…………….that in a society polluted by statism, progressives, and the idea of the Collective…………..that EVEN love becomes politicized.
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Decent Americans, gay or straight, grow weary.

td

March 28th, 2013
9:29 am

Steve

March 28th, 2013
9:16 am

td, since when are we “your children”?

Since you’re not Jesus Christ himself, maybe you should tend to your own issues first?

When the deviant behavior of others does not cost me money then I will be more then happy to let the behavior mind my own business. As long as people like you want me to pay for the consequences of peoples choices then it is my business to curb said deviant behavior. Stay out of my pocket and I will stay out of your life.

kayaker 71

March 28th, 2013
9:31 am

And for all of the supreme narcissists out there like our revered president, the Supremes re considering a clause in the law that would allow people like our president to marry themselves.

Brosephus™

March 28th, 2013
9:31 am

It’s been noted before, but it’s always the superconservativeChristians who are fixated on sex whenever the discussion is about relationships.

Those who ain’t gettin’ some are always in everybody else’s busines who they think are making the two humped back beast. :lol:

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 28th, 2013
9:32 am

You can marry your labrador retriever if you want to

Where exactly Yak can this be done. Please identify the states. I don’t think there is a single state where this is true.

on a side note, granted you would be marrying a loyal great friend, but what does the lab see in you?

Thomas Heyward Jr

March 28th, 2013
9:33 am

ITS ALL BUSH’S FAULT

March 28th, 2013
9:15 am

ITS his or her @#$^ they can haul coal in it if they want to.
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NOT under Obama-Care you can’t.

The Sophist-icated Republican

March 28th, 2013
9:33 am

Now we finally get to see the true td. His religion is a monetary reward based religion.

TBS

March 28th, 2013
9:33 am

“As long as people like you want me to pay for the consequences of peoples choices then it is my business to curb said deviant behavior. ”

So you are now a Peeping td? How are you curbing this deviant behavior?

Do you look in folks windows and starting preaching to them if they are doing something that you do not agree with?

Being a peeping td can get you arrested. I would try to “curb” that behavior if I were you

straitroad

March 28th, 2013
9:33 am

DannyX

March 28th, 2013
9:10 am

Nothing that causes long term damage. I’m speaking to you from a medical standpoint. Your denial doesn’t affect the mechanics one bit. You have to remove the emotion from the argument and just consider the process. What a man and woman do and what two men do simply isn’t the same thing no matter how much you wish it to be.

Finn McCool (the system isn't broken; it's fixed)

March 28th, 2013
9:34 am

When the deviant behavior of others does not cost me money then I will be more then happy to let the behavior mind my own business.

Can you give us some concrete examples of this?

td

March 28th, 2013
9:34 am

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
9:24 am

Supporting homosexual actions and abortion are not considered following the path of God so I will question your ability to call out my sins.

And Jesus said those two sins were worse than your daily lying and bearing fals witness?

Not meant to be a factual statement. Now stop lying about me.

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
9:35 am

You can marry your labrador retriever if you want to

Only if the lab is over the age of consent and can talk well enough to say I do.

Brosephus™

March 28th, 2013
9:35 am

Fred

I thought about jumping on the convertible until I found out it wasn’t a hard top. Mrs. Brosephus still wants one, so I may end up with one in the yard before too long. I can always get rid of the newer Impala on a trade in. :)

philosopher

March 28th, 2013
9:35 am

Granny Godzilla
March 28th, 2013
9:24 am
“Your ability to recognize sin is deeply flawed by your personal distaste
for some of God’s more fabulous creations.”

Well-said!

Steve

March 28th, 2013
9:35 am

td – then maybe we should force overweight people to stop smoking and gorging at all you can eat buffets. THat costs me a hell of a lot more via rising health care costs then risky sexual behavior costs you.

Scratch It

March 28th, 2013
9:35 am

You would think the media would give this wonderful pastor a platform but they don’t. He’s black and moral. We can’t have that…..

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/civil-rights-activist-no-comparison-between-civil-rights-gay-rights-movement

TBS

March 28th, 2013
9:35 am

“……..start preaching……..”

Normal, plain and simple

March 28th, 2013
9:35 am

Granny Godzilla

March 28th, 2013
9:14 am
I’m sorry if I offended you, Granny G. That was not my intent. Sometimes I let my humor and snarkyness go without thinking. Again, I’m so sorry.

The Sophist-icated Republican

March 28th, 2013
9:36 am

I wonder if td applies his religious monetary policy to his own actions and thus avoids any and all actions that cost others money.

Paul

March 28th, 2013
9:36 am

kayaker 71

Interestingly put, but some darn good points.

I’ll hazard a guess that if the Supremes ‘dodge the bullet” (issue) on this or the case argued yesterday, that many conservatives on here will be decrying the Court for not being more activist.

You, though, are consistent.

clem

March 28th, 2013
9:36 am

td i find gluttony (just look at all the fatarse folks around) to be morally deviant and they cost us tax dollars and private health insurance dollars. in other words, they are in my pocket. so how about jumping on this a while.

TBS

March 28th, 2013
9:36 am

“then maybe we should force overweight people to stop smoking and gorging at all you can eat buffets.”

Maybe he can start doing weigh-ins before and after folks leave buffet restaurants….

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
9:37 am

Not meant to be a factual statement. Now stop lying about me.

I’m not lying about you. YOU lied about me and continue to do so. Right there you lie as it IS meant to be a factual statement because it IS a factual statement.

As a fine upstanding Christian you not only need to stop, but you need to APOLOGIZE for your lies this morning. Quit lying and quit bearing false witness. Jesus doesn’t like it.

td

March 28th, 2013
9:37 am

Finn McCool (the system isn’t broken; it’s fixed)

March 28th, 2013
9:34 am

When the deviant behavior of others does not cost me money then I will be more then happy to let the behavior mind my own business.

Can you give us some concrete examples of this?

Who pays for it when homosexual sex leads to aids in higher taxes or premiums?
Who pays the bills when the poor have children out of wedlock?
Who pays the bills when a person decides to be a drug addict or alcoholic?
Who pays the bills when a person chooses not to get and education and chooses not to work?

Deviant behavior cost me and everyone else as long as we, as a nation, decides that we are “humane”. . You progressives just do not want to face reality.

stands for decibels

March 28th, 2013
9:38 am

You would think the media would give this wonderful pastor a platform

And Scratch It, pet-peeveish links to stories about the media not covering stuff you would like them to cover will mask the stench of your assertion, about whose dishonesty you refuse to own up to.

The Sophist-icated Republican

March 28th, 2013
9:39 am

so how about jumping on this a while.

Please refrain from using such phrases in td’s presence.

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
9:39 am

Mrs. Brosephus still wants one

Wowzer, NOW I see why you married her. I’ll bet she even cooks too lol. And of course there IS the other joke I could make but not online or Jay would smack me lol.

See? Aren’t I good? I never even mentioned a flat head………

kayaker 71

March 28th, 2013
9:39 am

Keep, 9:32,

funny.

Scratch It

March 28th, 2013
9:39 am

Normal, plain and simple

The Blaze!!?? Scratchy quotes The Blaze as gospel??? Too funny!

Can you prove it false. Of course not. Now run along….

stands for decibels

March 28th, 2013
9:39 am

Deviant behavior cost me and everyone else as long as we, as a nation, decides that we are “humane”

heh, heh, heh.

I guess “humane” is a Bad Word over at Chez td’s. I’ll have to remember that.

Steve

March 28th, 2013
9:40 am

td, yes – unhealthy behavior costs us all money. We know that. But walk into any fundamentalist Christian church anywhere and show me one adult who is not overweight or obese.

How about you, Td? On any prescriptions? Eat fried chicken and biscuits on a regular basis? Why are Christians immune to unhealthy behavior, in your mind?

stands for decibels

March 28th, 2013
9:41 am

Actually they will NOT mask the stench. I apologize for my error @ 9.38.

(see, Scratch It? Owning up to an error is That Easy. Doesn’t hurt a bit!)

The Sophist-icated Republican

March 28th, 2013
9:41 am

As a fine upstanding Christian

You assume far too much about td with that statement.

Paul

March 28th, 2013
9:41 am

This reminds me of td as he feeds on all the attention and… the rest of us –

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkOfeSNsWpM#t=00m23s

Scratch It

March 28th, 2013
9:41 am

stands for decibels

Scratch it, you can stop the deflecturbating any old time and admit you have nothing whatsoever to support your outrageous claim about child rape stories being repressed.

here was your quote:

“The media sweeps under the rug many child molestation’s because it may offend the homosexual community.”

That’s what you claimed. I am still waiting for your evidence.

You must have ADD. I’ve posted numerous posts with links that tell of the devastation of homosexual parents and the dangers of homosexual behavior. The media seems to ignore those for the same reasons you ignore the truth… Now run along…

TBS

March 28th, 2013
9:42 am

“You progressives just do not want to face reality.”

The reality that for better or worse you are not in control of other people’s life’s and lifestyles. No you are not facing that “reality”

And by the way, feel free quote the Bible and your narrative of it, but know in the end that it is not nor will be the “law” of the U.S.

There are certain things in the Bible that one can find in our laws, but the Bible is not the law. It might be your law and your church’s law, but not law of the U.S.

Granny Godzilla

March 28th, 2013
9:42 am

Normal

Not at all offended…..

Trust me…I was as surprised as anybody.

Took me a long time to truly listen to what I was being told.

Pretty sure God was making fun of me too sometimes.

God’s quite a card!

Peace

March 28th, 2013
9:42 am

Bookman should pray…

td

March 28th, 2013
9:43 am

Steve

March 28th, 2013
9:35 am

td – then maybe we should force overweight people to stop smoking and gorging at all you can eat buffets. THat costs me a hell of a lot more via rising health care costs then risky sexual behavior costs you.

Those campaigns have been going on for years. If you are a smoker then it cost you more to have insurance. Some insurance companies charge more now if your body mass is over a certain %.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 28th, 2013
9:44 am

td — “Supporting homosexual actions and abortion are not considered following the path of God so I will question your ability to call out my sins.”

Since you’re not Muslim, then are you sinning when you enjoy some ham with your breakfast?

Since you’re not Jewish, then do you sin when you labor or work on a Saturday?

Maybe you should consider that the notion of “sin” only applies to individuals to adhere to a given religion. There is no legal or universal aspect to “sin” — it merely applies only to those individuals who choose to follow a religion that includes the notion of “sin” among its tenets.

In short, “sin” doesn’t apply to those who don’t choose to submit to religious authority.

With that in mind, I would like to share with you my testament of atheism. I would like for you to know how much joy and freedom I felt when I cast off the bonds of religious belief and freed myself from all sin. :)

You, too, can be sinless, just as I am. Simply leave your religious belief behind and join me in the freedom and bliss of an utterly godless and sinless existence. :D

Steve

March 28th, 2013
9:44 am

As a gay man who is HIV negative, slim, and very healthy (I eat well and exercise daily) – I cost you nothing, td. I rarely go to the doctor, unless it’s refilling my hay fever meds.

However, I bet that you, your family, your church members cost me a ton.

Finn McCool (the system isn't broken; it's fixed)

March 28th, 2013
9:45 am

Who pays for it when homosexual sex leads to aids in higher taxes or premiums?

Who pays for it when heterosexual sex leads to aids in higher taxes or premiums?

Discriminate much?

stands for decibels

March 28th, 2013
9:45 am

I’ve posted numerous posts with links that tell of the devastation of homosexual parents and the dangers of homosexual behavior.

You’ve posted nothing–NOTHING–whatsoever in support of your outrageous assertion.

I’m not even going to bother tearing apart the “devastation of homosexual parents” crap you’ve posted, easy as it would be.

I simply want you to admit–like a man would, if you were a man, instead of the sniveling little creep you are–that you were off base in claiming that there are child rapes going unreported to avoid offending gay people.

Admit that and we are square on this. Continue to deflect and I will continue to expose your cowardice and dishonesty.

TBS

March 28th, 2013
9:45 am

“Those campaigns have been going on for years. If you are a smoker then it cost you more to have insurance. Some insurance companies charge more now if your body mass is over a certain %.”

True, but those things cost you more than the “deviant behaviors” you whine about. Why would you not whine about what cost you more money? Especially since it seems to be a money thing for you.

Are you like trying to tell us something?

Finn McCool (the system isn't broken; it's fixed)

March 28th, 2013
9:46 am

Adam and Eve weren’t married and they had three sons. Plus Adam had sons and daughters on the side.

Where is the outrage at this sinful living?

Joe Hussein Mama

March 28th, 2013
9:46 am

td — “Who pays for it when homosexual sex leads to aids in higher taxes or premiums?”

Q: Who pays for it when straight couples pump out child after child?

A: Everyone else covered by their health insurer, that’s who.

Brosephus™

March 28th, 2013
9:47 am

Fred

:lol: :lol:

She had a scholarship to Johnson & Wales out of high school. I’m glad she didn’t take it as I wouldn’t have met her. We sit up together drinking beer and watching football too although she hasn’t done much beer since the first girl was born. When I get a chance, I’ll have to send you photos of the garage to show you how much of a football fan she is.

clem

March 28th, 2013
9:48 am

td, you are one slow so…..the campaign against gays has been going on longer than smoking

td

March 28th, 2013
9:48 am

BS

March 28th, 2013
9:42 am

“You progressives just do not want to face reality.”

The reality that for better or worse you are not in control of other people’s life’s and lifestyles. No you are not facing that “reality”

And neither should we, the nation, be paying for the consequences of people’s lifestyle choices. The government is now forcing children to eat certain foods at school so they are into peoples lifestyle choices. The government is telling people where they can and can not smoke and charging them a “sin tax” for choosing to smoke.

The Sophist-icated Republican

March 28th, 2013
9:48 am

td is clearly only concerned about his definition of “sins” against his cash. A religion he has made in his own image.

Finn McCool (the system isn't broken; it's fixed)

March 28th, 2013
9:49 am

The reality some of you don’t get is that DOMA will likely be struck down come June.

Scratch It

March 28th, 2013
9:49 am

TBS

“You progressives just do not want to face reality.”

The reality that for better or worse you are not in control of other people’s life’s and lifestyles. No you are not facing that “reality”

So why did the gubmint get involved in smoking? Why are they now getting involved in curtailing eating habits? Because these are dangerous lifestyle’s that people choose to do that is a detriment to society. The same can be said about homosexuality. It has no positive value whatsoever….

The Sophist-icated Republican

March 28th, 2013
9:50 am

At least td is a Pink Floyd follower. How can we have any pudding in school if we don’t eat our meat!

Steve

March 28th, 2013
9:51 am

Must suck to be a regressive right winger right now, watching their world change around them. So scary!

Granny Godzilla

March 28th, 2013
9:51 am

“The reality some of you don’t get is that DOMA will likely be struck down come June.”

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And I think it’s God’s handiwork and beautiful to behold!

Finn McCool (the system isn't broken; it's fixed)

March 28th, 2013
9:51 am

The same can be said about homosexuality. It has no positive value whatsoever….

I guess the guvmint needs to get involved in masturbation too then?

Normal, plain and simple

March 28th, 2013
9:52 am

Scratchy…

“TheBlaze, formerly GBTV, is a conservative libertarian news, information, and entertainment television network founded by talk radio personality Glenn Beck.”

That says it all about how seriously one would take it. Glenn beck is a tool.

Finn McCool (the system isn't broken; it's fixed)

March 28th, 2013
9:52 am

Must suck to be a regressive right winger right now, watching their world change around them. So scary!

Losing elections…
Pillars of society falling one by one…..

yes, scary, indeed

TBS

March 28th, 2013
9:52 am

td

You didn’t answer my question.

You do a lot of whining about what you deem to be “deviant behavior” and how it cost you money. It cost you much more to pay for illnesses related to obesity and smoking, yet you do not spend 100th of the time speaking about those issues.

Why is that?

Scratch It

March 28th, 2013
9:52 am

Just for kicks and see what kind of responses I may get I’d like to ask the question. What is positive about homosexual behavior?

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
9:52 am

When do you think td will apologize for lying about me and bearing false witness? Any guesses that don’t include the words NEVER the HYPOCRITE?

clem

March 28th, 2013
9:54 am

td now is an actuary believing insurance companies who charge more for fat people (rare) and smokers really recoup their costs of such behaviour

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
9:54 am

That says it all about how seriously one would take it. Glenn beck is a tool.

You have offended tools around the world now. I think you should apologize to them………. :lol:

TBS

March 28th, 2013
9:54 am

“Glenn beck is a tool.”

The real “tools” are the clowns who religiously follow him.

philosopher

March 28th, 2013
9:54 am

Someone here seems to be excessively uncomfortable with homosexual Americans…makes me wonder what the source of that fear might be…

Paul

March 28th, 2013
9:54 am

Okay, the td show reruns have worn thin.

Jay – sheets, PLEASE?!!?

Finn McCool (the system isn't broken; it's fixed)

March 28th, 2013
9:55 am

What is positive about homosexual behavior?

What is positive about masturbation?
What is positive about any sex at all?

Scratch It, are you a virgin? ….Never even touched yourself?

Brosephus™

March 28th, 2013
9:55 am

And neither should we, the nation, be paying for the consequences of people’s lifestyle choices.

Exactly, why should we have to pay the consequences of you reproducing? One td in this world is enough. This country doesn’t need a little td.
:roll: :roll:

clem

March 28th, 2013
9:56 am

anyone listen to that moron arguing for the conservatives before the scotus……clements….whoa

Steve

March 28th, 2013
9:56 am

Scratch – two people caring for one another is a positive thing, if they are obsese, ugly, straight, mullet haired rednecks living in a broken down trailer home.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 28th, 2013
9:56 am

Scratch It — “Just for kicks and see what kind of responses I may get I’d like to ask the question. What is positive about homosexual behavior?”

You’d need to ask homosexuals about that. I imagine you might get different answers from different people.

That said, why’s it got to be *positive* at all? What’s it to you?

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
9:56 am

td now is an actuary believing insurance companies who charge more for fat people (rare) and smokers really recoup their costs of such behaviour

I wonder how much they recouped/saved with programs such as our insurance had. They paid for any method you chose to stop tobacco use. if you didn’t the premiums went up like 100 bucks a month.

I wonder how many folks (like me) stopped. Been over a year now tobacco free………. after over 35 years of use. I still jones for some though at times………..

Paul

March 28th, 2013
9:57 am

Scratch

“What is positive about homosexual behavior?”

Oh, I’d say about the same thigs, positive or negative, one could say about heterosexual behavior.

Except I’ve heard very, very few homosexuals go off on regular condemnations, vitriol, and generally unkind rants about heterosexuals.

Brosephus™

March 28th, 2013
9:57 am

What is positive about masturbation?
What is positive about any sex at all?

Scratch It, are you a virgin? ….Never even touched yourself?

:shock: :lol: :shock: :lol: :shock: :lol: :shock: :lol:

Normal, plain and simple

March 28th, 2013
9:58 am

Granny G.

I have said it many times here but maybe not as elogantly as you, but I listen to God too. And I see him in my kids, grand kids and great grand kids. I see him in all things Mother earth and I hear him with the feelings I get in my heart. Where I am different than other “Believers”, omitting you, because I think you get this, I am NOT a believer in religions, I think religions are a bane to mankind and I knw you do not need them to worship God.

Having said that and hoping you understand, I am still contrite at my joke(?) concerning your experience.

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
9:58 am

Someone here seems to be excessively uncomfortable with homosexual Americans…makes me wonder what the source of that fear might be…

That’s kind of a cop out. There are those who argue from deep held religious or moral beliefs. I don’t think they should be marginalized by the stupid “fear’ thing.

TBS

March 28th, 2013
9:59 am

td

Have to check out for awhile. Please remember by advice. Stop being a “peeping td”. Looking in folks windows in your efforts to “curb” what you deem to be “deviant behaviors” could get you in trouble.

You are a hoot. That is for sure.

stands for decibels

March 28th, 2013
10:00 am

TheBlaze, formerly GBTV, is a conservative libertarian news

I will admit it–I thought he was linking to (and being laughed at) for The Blade.

Which would’ve been a whole ‘nother kind of funny, in this context.

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
10:00 am

two people caring for one another is a positive thing, if they are obsese, ugly, straight, mullet haired rednecks living in a broken down trailer home.

Hey. You need to quit talking about Redneck Convert. He’s not here to defend himself and the Missus.

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 28th, 2013
10:00 am

Never even touched yourself?

One time I was cleaning it and it went off.

Normal, plain and simple

March 28th, 2013
10:01 am

Brosephus™

March 28th, 2013
9:55 am

Yeah, I was thinking that td would be a good poster child for contraception…

Steve

March 28th, 2013
10:01 am

Fred, that’s not a copout. Homophobia cannot be justified. Why focus on one type of sin when there are so many? For example – Cobb County was famous for their anti gay proclamations during the time of the Olympics in Atlanta, yet nobody was speaking out about the titty bars on Cobb Parkway.

Steve

March 28th, 2013
10:02 am

Redneck Convert is my favorite poster :)

Finn McCool (the system isn't broken; it's fixed)

March 28th, 2013
10:02 am

t I listen to God too. And I see him in my kids

I see him in my toast some days….other days I see Robin Meade…oh, same thing.

TBS

March 28th, 2013
10:02 am

Normal

The slogan could read “Your daddy should have pulled out”

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
10:03 am

godless heathen: For your 10:00……….. GET DOWN AND DO SOME PUSH UPS!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqQsSbTres0

UNCLE SAMANTHA

March 28th, 2013
10:04 am

THIS WORLD IS FULL OF IDIOTS, FOOLS AND PEOPLE WITH BAD INTENTIONS AS MOST OF YOU PROVE ON A DAILY BASIS

IF TWO PEOPLE FIND LOVE IN THIS WORLD…….. THEN THEY SHOULD REJOICE….. AND LET NOBODY COME BETWEEN THAT

AND AS AMERICANS…… BASED ON THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS BELIEF EXPRESSED IN THE DECLARATION……. SHOULD ENCOURAGE LOVE AND FAMILY…. EVEN IF WE DISAGREE WITH IT SPECIFICS

fyi
homosexual behavior is the same as heterosexual!
its a relationship

and if you disagree then spend a day searching the internet and you will find some pretty disgusting heterosexual behavior…………credit card required

stands for decibels

March 28th, 2013
10:04 am

One time I was cleaning it and it went off.

hate when that happens.

Brosephus™

March 28th, 2013
10:06 am

One time I was cleaning it and it went off.

Five minutes later and I’m still LOLing!!!!

Granny Godzilla

March 28th, 2013
10:06 am

Normal, plain and simple

March 28th, 2013
9:58 am

Granny G.

I have said it many times here but maybe not as elogantly as you, but I listen to God too. And I see him in my kids, grand kids and great grand kids. I see him in all things Mother earth and I hear him with the feelings I get in my heart. Where I am different than other “Believers”, omitting you, because I think you get this, I am NOT a believer in religions, I think religions are a bane to mankind and I knw you do not need them to worship God.

Having said that and hoping you understand, I am still contrite at my joke(?) concerning your experience.
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Boy do I ever get it!

Sometimes when I hold our little love, I am literally overwhelmed by the intangible gifts I have been given, and I pray that God will somehow allow me to share them with those who can’t or don’t truly
know love and joy. I would share that bliss with all if I could.

You’re a fine man Normal.

Brosephus™

March 28th, 2013
10:07 am

yet nobody was speaking out about the titty bars on Cobb Parkway.

I was Citizen’s United before they were. I let my money do the speaking for me on Cobb Parkway. ;)

Finn McCool (the system isn't broken; it's fixed)

March 28th, 2013
10:07 am

its a relationship

That’s a valid point. A relationship is alot more than just the sex aspect of it. I guess some can’t see that the caring, the support, the laughs, the cries, the growing old, the mortgage, all that is as important as where one sticks one’s whatevahyagot.

Steve

March 28th, 2013
10:07 am

OMG, did I just agree with Uncle Samantha?

TBS

March 28th, 2013
10:07 am

“One time I was cleaning it and it went off.”

Be easy on the continual spit shine……

Normal, plain and simple

March 28th, 2013
10:07 am

TBS

March 28th, 2013
10:02 am

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Normal, plain and simple

March 28th, 2013
10:09 am

Granny G,

Thank you…You inspire us all…

Joe Hussein Mama

March 28th, 2013
10:10 am

F. McCool — “That’s a valid point. A relationship is alot more than just the sex aspect of it. I guess some can’t see that the caring, the support, the laughs, the cries, the growing old, the mortgage, all that is as important as where one sticks one’s whatevahyagot.”

Word.

Brosephus™

March 28th, 2013
10:11 am

Uncle Samantha

Once you deactivate that caps lock key, you can make sense.

stands for decibels

March 28th, 2013
10:12 am

Something the Scratch Its and tds of this world won’t read, but you should.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/03/27/sorry-justice-scalia-theres-no-evidence-that-gay-parents-arent-great-parents/

According to the Congressional Coalition on Adoption, 400,00 children are living in the United States without permanent families — or, as they’re more commonly called by the children, “forever homes,” a term that breaks my heart every time I hear it.

More than 100,000 of these children are, right now, eligible for adoption, which means they can’t go back to their biological families. On average, these children will be in foster care for three years before being adopted. Twenty percent will be in foster care for more than five years.

Foster parents are, in most cases, genuine heroes. But being in the foster-care system is not easy for children, or good for them. A world in which more of these children can go to loving, stable forever homes faster is a better world.

The idea that there is something so wrong with same-sex households that it would be preferable for these children to go two or four or six years without permanent parents — an idea, again, that has little to no evidence behind it, and that is in fact contradicted by most of the evidence — bespeaks a homophobia so deep that it is hard for me to believe it could persist long among people who actually know any children in the foster system, and who actually know many gay couples.

I’ll admit that this is a bit personal to me, as my nephews, whom I love very, very much, are adopted. But adoption by gay couples is one of the best arguments for gay marriage, not an argument against it. We should be begging gay couples to adopt children. We should see this as a great boon that gay marriage could bring to kids who need nothing more than two loving parents. The answer to Kagan’s question is that gay marriage doesn’t harm traditional marriage. But the answer to Scalia’s retort is that he’s got it precisely wrong: Gay marriage is good for children in the foster system.

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
10:13 am

Steve: It IS a copout. Every one “against” homosexuals isn’t a “homophobe.”

Don’t ask ME why they chose a particular sin over another. Why will some Baptist mother join MADD and not complain about “gays?” Is she then an “alcoholphobe?” Nope. People just have different hot buttons.

I can’t abide liars like td and get REALLY tired of him lying and then calling ME a liar when I tell the truth. But do I care about his other “sins?” Nope. Am I a “liaphobe?”

Why do they worship the serial adulterers Rush and Newt and get their panties in a wad over Liberace? I can’t tell you, it is what it is. While I’ll grant you that in some. maybe many, they ARE covering latent tendency and fear, it’s just not like that in all. I know a preacher who is very “anti-gay” but that doesn’t stop him from loving his gay church members or ministering to them. Like I said, and he knows, no one “sin” is more important than another to God according to Jesus.

Vashtai

March 28th, 2013
10:14 am

” In other words if NY allows same sex marriage then Georgia will not have to honor the marriage unless they choose to allow same sex marriage as a state.”

This is the case that will eventually get to SCOTUS. The 14th amendment will finally prevail. I’m just sorry gay people are being put through this dog and pony show screwing with their equal rights.

td

March 28th, 2013
10:15 am

Finn McCool (the system isn’t broken; it’s fixed)

March 28th, 2013
9:49 am

The reality some of you don’t get is that DOMA will likely be struck down come June.

You are probably right. The talking heads seem to think the court will overturn the part of DOMA where the Federal government defines marriage (because it is a states right). The important part of DOMA (waiving the full faith a credit clause on marriage) will not be overturned if they think it is a states right to define marriage.

It appears the court is NOT going to say gay marriage is a civil right.

Granny Godzilla

March 28th, 2013
10:15 am

Thanks Normal…..

and Finn

BINGO

Sex is loads of fun, but I find as I get older it is the thousands of other intimacies that comitted partners share that are really important.

I wouldn’t trade Mr. G’s bringing me coffee in bed on Sunday morning, or his knowing I like real cream and butter, or his love and concern for my father…..or his rather grudging acceptance at first of Jack the cat.

Normal, plain and simple

March 28th, 2013
10:16 am

“One time I was cleaning it and it went off.”

Lets set the record straight here…it just doesn’t “go off”…which is why I say all men are basketball players…we all dribble before we shoot…

YouLibs

March 28th, 2013
10:17 am

Bro @ 10:11:

Thank you!

I had to resist the urge to put that in all caps.

DannyX

March 28th, 2013
10:18 am

“One time I was cleaning it and it went off.”

You can take mine away when you pry it from my cold dead hand.

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
10:18 am

Lets set the record straight here…it just doesn’t “go off”…which is why I say all men are basketball players…we all dribble before we shoot…

Godless got off with push ups. YOU get a bare butt spanking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd_dJVzBIqo

Brosephus™

March 28th, 2013
10:19 am

Lets set the record straight here…it just doesn’t “go off”…

Go ask women if they’ve ever ran across a “minuteman” and see what they say.

:lol:

Welcome to the Occupation

March 28th, 2013
10:19 am

yawwnnnnnnnnnnn

Normal, plain and simple

March 28th, 2013
10:19 am

DannyX

March 28th, 2013
10:18 am
:lol:

..and then they can wipe the smile off of your face…

Brosephus™

March 28th, 2013
10:20 am

DANNYX!!!!!!!

Now, there you go dumping fuel on the fire.

:lol:

Paul

March 28th, 2013
10:21 am

““One time I was cleaning it and it went off.””

Oh my… is Scratch It the butt of masturbation jokes?

Kinda ironic, ain’t it?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 28th, 2013
10:24 am

The study by Michal Kosinki and David Stillwell of the Psychometrics Centre at the University of Cambridge could accurately predict, with varying degrees of success, whether [with Facebook likes] someone used drugs, smoked, had divorced parents and leaned liberal or conservative.

“The best predictors of high intelligence include ‘thunderstorms,’ ‘The Colbert Report,’ ‘science’ and ‘curly fries,’” the study said.

This is gonna be hurting our cons a whole lot. :lol:

sweet loretta fat she thought she was a cleaner but she was a frying pan

March 28th, 2013
10:24 am

Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. But then, the haters don’t care if those that they hate are suffering.

JamVet

March 28th, 2013
10:24 am

You can take mine away when you pry it from my cold dead hand.

Jim Carrey doing his Charlton Heston imitation…

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/0433b30576/cold-dead-hand-with-jim-carrey?playlist=featured_videos

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
10:25 am

Curly fries? Really? He must be a Progressive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFtinMAv5jk

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 28th, 2013
10:27 am

Fred

OK, I’m up and awake now. What’s all this about hot fried chicken?

And worm?

The correct spelling is Wyrm.

Cosby

March 28th, 2013
10:30 am

The press is full of itsself with Gay’s & Lesbian’s…but hardley one word of Easter….sad, very sad..The USA has lost its way

Granny Godzilla

March 28th, 2013
10:31 am

Jam Vet

The rights reaction to the Carrey video is hysterical…..

JamVet

March 28th, 2013
10:31 am

Ronald Reagan

March 28th, 2013
10:31 am

The mainstream media is now so glib, unquestioning and intellectually castrated that robo-reporters could soon replace real journalists – without anyone noticing.

Granny Godzilla

March 28th, 2013
10:32 am

Cosby

You washing feet tonight?

DannyX

March 28th, 2013
10:33 am

“Jim Carrey doing his Charlton Heston imitation…”

Loved it!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 28th, 2013
10:34 am

…but hardley one word of Easter….

Hardely?

Is he Snidely Whiplash’s younger brother?

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
10:34 am

Jamvet? Was THAT the video that got folks in an uproar? Like the dude selling his autographed Jim Carrey picture so he can now buy a Glock?

http://clashdaily.com/2013/03/former-jim-carrey-fan-sells-autographed-pic-to-buy-a-glock/

Normal, plain and simple

March 28th, 2013
10:34 am

Cosby,

Give it a break, Easter is just another pagan rite the Christians stole for their power grab

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
10:35 am

JamVet

March 28th, 2013
10:36 am

Granny, most Republicans take themselves WAY too seriously.

Jeez, people, learn to laugh at yourselves once in awhile!

zeke

March 28th, 2013
10:37 am

Gen X & and younger have been so indoctrinated by government schools that they have no common sense, no morals, Indoctrinated by socialist agenda, teachers and professors to the socialist way! WE MUST CHANGE THAT! It is all a part of the plan to put the central government in the middle of, and, in charge of every single little thing we do!!!!!!!

Fred ™

March 28th, 2013
10:38 am

Hardely?

Is he Snidely Whiplash’s younger brother?

Naw, I think he’s Hedley Lamarr’s cousin……..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDm3zCvN4ao

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 28th, 2013
10:40 am

Fred

Sounds like a great then this caught my eye: (Recipe adapted from Cook’s Illustrated magazine)

I’d recommend just about anything that comes out of the kitchens of Cook’s Illustrated.

Granny Godzilla

March 28th, 2013
10:40 am

Cosby

How much coverage is there of Passover?

JamVet

March 28th, 2013
10:40 am

The seller says he lost all respect for Carrey after watching his video which mocks Charlton Heston and gun owners.

I’m sure Carrey is heartbroken…

Brosephus™

March 28th, 2013
10:41 am

Gen X & and younger have been so indoctrinated by government schools that they have no common sense, no morals, Indoctrinated by socialist agenda, teachers and professors to the socialist way!

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