A closet is for clothing, not for people

In 1994, 66 percent of Americans told Time/CNN pollsters that they did not have a close friend or family member who was gay.

Little did they know.

At the time, the closet was still a pretty crowded place. President Bill Clinton had just signed the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy, instructing the Pentagon not to pursue gay military members as long as they kept their sexual orientation secret. Comedian Ellen DeGeneres was still three years from her “big reveal” on prime-time TV, and people in less-accepting communities and industries had far more to fear than she did. Matthew Shepard was still four years away from dying a brutal beating death in Wyoming, martyred for the sin of being gay. And just 10 years earlier, Rock Hudson had been dragged, sick and dying, from the closet by AIDS.

(For all of its horrors, and strange as it may sound, the AIDS epidemic played a crucial role in forcing society to acknowledge at least the existence of the gay community, and in encouraging many gay Americans to tell the truth about themselves. In hindsight, that proved to be an important silver lining to a very dark cloud.)

Today, in a new Time/CNN poll, only 42 percent of Americans told pollsters that they do not have a close friend or relative who is gay, a 24-point decline in less than 20 years. That number too is much too high. In another decade, that number will probably drop by half again … that is, if pollsters still find the question relevant to ask.

The closet is a terrible place in which to try to live a life, and those who have been brave enough to break that confinement — Martina Navratilova was one of the earliest and bravest — have done the rest of us a great favor. They have forced society as a whole to confront not just the existence of gay brothers and sisters and parents and children and friends and co-workers, but their fundamental normality as well.

What was hidden could be and was assumed to be monstrous. It turns out that what is open and commonplace becomes more difficult to fear.

This week, the U.S. Supreme Court will hear arguments regarding the right of gay Americans to have equal access to the institution of marriage, which in historical terms is a remarkable event. In a TV appearance last weekend, Karl Rove said he could envision a GOP presidential nominee as soon as 2016 who would be supportive of gay marriage. While that strikes me as quite unlikely, it is even more unlikely that gay marriage will ever again be a hotly divisive political issue at the national level.

According to the latest Pew poll, 48 percent of Americans support gay marriage, while 43 percent still oppose it. Opposition is strongest (33 percent supportive; 55 percent opposed) among those 65 and older; among Republicans (25-67 percent); among black Americans (40-48 percent); and here in the South (39-51 percent).

That last number is telling. Less than 10 years ago, an overwhelming 76 percent of Georgia voters approved a constitutional ban on gay marriage that Republicans had placed on the ballot as a means of energizing conservative voters. Today that measure would still pass, I suspect, but by a much smaller number, and it would probably not be put on the ballot in the first place.

In fact, within a generation if not sooner, that language will be stripped from Georgia law as an embarrassment, much as states have stripped their legal codes of the inoperable remnants of Jim Crow. And while a few will condemn that move as another step toward perdition, most others will recognize it as a welcome acknowledgement that those days are over.

The closet door is being lifted from its hinges forever.

– Jay Bookman

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Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
9:19 am

Jay — “The closet door is being lifted from its hinges forever.”

. . . and let’s see how many notable Republicans scurry away when the lights go on.

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
9:21 am

Meanwhile, it’s still perfectly legal to discriminate against Americans based on their sexual orientation when it comes to hiring and housing, in many of our 50 states.

So there’ll be that to deal with, as well, one presumes.

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
9:22 am

Celebrate are gay brothers and sisters and cousins and aunts and uncles and moms and pops…..

They are FABULOUS!

Be proud of how God made you.

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
9:23 am

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
9:26 am

Today that measure would still pass, I suspect

In November 2013? I bet it wouldn’t.

I’ll go out on a limb and say that the vast majority of states where such things have been voted on, would NOT be able to win a majority of votes if such elections were to be held this fall.

it would probably not be put on the ballot in the first place.

And that’s worth considering, too. Even if such a thing WERE to pass, it’s going to look pretty stupid in a few short years.

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
9:28 am

Celebrate [our] gay brothers and sisters and cousins and aunts and uncles and moms and pops…..

You too, Lindsay, Marcus, and especially you too, Mattie!

But not you, Rush. You can die in that closet for all I care.

Stevie Ray

March 26th, 2013
9:29 am

JAY

What do you want to wager that among the lack of support of the groups you mention, the common thread is bible study?

Church+State=Life in the 1600’s…

gadem also known as Benghazi

March 26th, 2013
9:29 am

I am African American as well as in the south…so I am a lot more conservative on this issue. I don’t agree with discrimination, but I also believe that homosexuality is wrong. I honestly believe that it is a choice. I can’t wrap my mind around being born that way.

Fly-On-The-Wall

March 26th, 2013
9:30 am

It is time to put the culture wars behind us and move on to more important things.

Stevie Ray

March 26th, 2013
9:32 am

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
9:19 am

I understand the older folks, GOP’s with invisible friends, and southerners but not African Americans…again i think this is all driven by fright instilled by religions that think we all should abide by their flawed set of morals..and morales for that matter.

HDB

March 26th, 2013
9:32 am

What too many people are failing to note is that by both the Constitution and by treaties that have been ratified by the US Senate…..same sex marriage is already de facto LEGAL in the US!! As long as same sex marriage is legal in ONE state, it must be recognized in all 50….(US Constitution)…..and if legal in nations that we recognize (via ratified treaties), it must be recognized in the US!!

Problem is….those who consider themselves advocates of “law and order” wish not to acknowledge this aspect of law….and the order it presents!!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 26th, 2013
9:34 am

Vito Russo demonstrated it years ago in The Celluloid Closet but it is simply dumbfounding to see that prior to the creation of the Hays Code in the movie industry and the McCarthy witch hunt put a stop to it that the general treatment of gay relationships was much more tolerant.

saywhat?

March 26th, 2013
9:34 am

gadem also known as Benghazi

“I am African American as well as in the south…so I am a lot more conservative on this issue. I don’t agree with discrimination, but I also believe that homosexuality is wrong. I honestly believe that it is a choice. I can’t wrap my mind around being born that way.”
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Good for you. Its your right to believe what you want. Just don’t let your honest belief influence you to support denying equal rights to others.

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
9:35 am

gadem

do you have any problem wrapping your mind around your being born heterosexaul?

i really don’t mean to be snarky, i just hope you’ll meet someone
or have some experience that opens your mind.

before it’s too late

like it was for my cousin jane.

she thought her father would refute her, when in truth he always knew,
they were both too afraid and when he was killed – it was too late.

Stevie Ray

March 26th, 2013
9:35 am

gadem also known as Benghazi

March 26th, 2013
9:29 am

Respectfully, why does it matter how others live their lives? Would you not think that homosexuality has been around at least as long as general sexuality?

Thomas

March 26th, 2013
9:36 am

Liberals are the most close minded (want to be) controlling demographic. Second is the far right- only incrementally. Both pick and chose their demographic to coddle at any point in time oftentimes despising and hating many more demographics as they attempt to lift up (in blog and thought only),

Move to the middle where free thought and being open minded is accepted.

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
9:36 am

the common thread is bible study

Stevie, if those bibles they’re studying have the four Gospels included, then there’s no basis for discrimination whatsoever.

All of this “God hates F@gs” business comes from people imagining what Jesus might’ve believed. If you stand on your head and squint, or something.

That, and a profound misunderstanding of what would be thought of as “homosexual relationships” were generally about during the time of Paul. Here’s a hint–they were not, generally, loving, lifelong things, but rather what we’d refer to as statutory child rape, today.

(YMMV, JMHO, etc.)

JohnnyReb

March 26th, 2013
9:36 am

This poll, that poll or the other. The polls that count are at the voting booth.

Forcing gay marriage through the courts is too large a step just as was Roe/Wade.

If SCOTUS does it, there will be another hotly contested issue along with abortion.

If gay marriage is truly supported by the majority of the people, it will get here in its own good time and without the turmoil of a court decision – if Libs will just let nature run its course.

Stevie Ray

March 26th, 2013
9:36 am

saywhat?

March 26th, 2013
9:34 am

Never said better.

Whatever

March 26th, 2013
9:37 am

How do you not let your beliefs influence what you support? That’s totally illogical.

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2013
9:37 am

“I honestly believe that it is a choice. I can’t wrap my mind around being born that way”

Sit down in a quiet area and contemplate this: when did you DECIDE not to be homosexual?

Paul

March 26th, 2013
9:37 am

So no matter which way the Court rules, change will still happen.

I have changed my position on this issue. My main concern had beenthe effect laws, as they were proposed, would have on religious institutions’ conduct of their affairs. As I’ve read here and elsewhere, listened to various shows, my thought now is the effect, absent a few nuisance suits, will be negligible, as we separate truly religious activities from religious-sponsored business activities. Added to that was the dearth of options offered by those opposed to marriage by gays. While some states, such as California, did take actions to make civil unions more contractually in line with marriage, there were still gaps. There is a big disconnect between federal laws and benefits and state laws, with those opposed to gays being marriage coming across as fighting to keep the conflicts.

Those are just some of the reasons. But I do think it says positive things about our society when we can say to two people: ‘you love each other, want to commit your lives to one another, bring stability to your lives and to society, raise children and live the same dream many others dream? Thank you for being willing to commit to that. You have our support.”

by golly

March 26th, 2013
9:39 am

I would suggest of the 12 disciples, 3 or 4 were gay. Jesus loves everyone, even Westboro asshats.

Stevie Ray

March 26th, 2013
9:39 am

straitroad

March 26th, 2013
9:39 am

Polygamy will be next on the democrat agenda. After all, some are genetically wired to have multiple partners, right?

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
9:39 am

HDB — “As long as same sex marriage is legal in ONE state, it must be recognized in all 50….(US Constitution)…..”

I’ve made that point here several times, and IMO, it’s what’s eventually going to cause the SCOTUS to accede to the point.

JF McNamara

March 26th, 2013
9:41 am

@gadem also known as Benghazi,

I am African American as well as in the south as well. We knew my cousin was gay when he was age 10 (if not before). He never played sports with us, and he would watch beauty pageants with my mom and Aunt. He hid it as best he could because he knew that he would be ostracized, but everyone around him knew.

He was treated like complete crap by a lot of family members and so called friends. I regret it to this day that I didn’t treat him better or stand up for him.

Black people need to stop being hateful and recognize that this is real and no amount of hatred or denial will change it. My cousin was born that way. Most gay people are. You will unconsciously discriminate until you accept that reality, and you will be no better than a white segregationist who just couldn’t wrap his mind around the fact that Blacks were equal.

Grow up and man up on this topic

indigo

March 26th, 2013
9:41 am

Not many people these days think gays should stay in the closet.

There are many people, however, who question gay marriage.

Jay, tying these two together is like adding one + one and getting eleven.

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
9:42 am

Both pick and chose their demographic to coddle at any point in time oftentimes despising and hating many more demographics as they attempt to lift up (in blog and thought only),

Oh really. So expecting an ever-increasingly-wealthy uberclass to pay a bit more in taxes equals actively discriminating against people based on sexual orientation? Equals enacting roadblocks to voting rights? Equals re-criminalizing elective first trimester abortion, something the vast majority of Americans don’t want?

Please proceed.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
9:42 am

JohnnyReb — “If gay marriage is truly supported by the majority of the people, it will get here in its own good time and without the turmoil of a court decision – if Libs will just let nature run its course.”

Would you be so patient as to sit around and wait for others to decide the time was right for you to have the civil rights you were entitled to all along? I think not.

Civil rights protestors in the 60s didn’t wait, and they’re not waiting today. I suggest you make your peace with the notion that your comfort or lack thereof is not necessary for others to have their civil rights.

N-GA

March 26th, 2013
9:42 am

My parents along with the Roman Catholic Church, taught me tolerance and acceptance of age, race and, yes, other religions. Until the day they died, my parents were unaccepting of gays. I tried talking with my father about the issue, but he was unrelenting. Fortunately my wife and adult children have never held negative views about gay people. I’ve lived through the near-defeat of racial intolerance, and I hope to live through the defeat of people’s intolerance of others’ sexual orientation. It is my genuine belief that if he were alive today, Jesus would accept gays without reservation.

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
9:43 am

straitroad

March 26th, 2013
9:39 am
Polygamy will be next on the democrat agenda. After all, some are genetically wired to have multiple partners, right?
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Probably not, but if you feel a yen for that kind of thing, gather together like thinkers and start a movement of your own.

We could respect your activisim.

Mick

March 26th, 2013
9:43 am

“Live free or die”, sayeth new hampshire license tags…pretty cool motto in four words…

Paul

March 26th, 2013
9:44 am

gadem

Think about people born with an innate ability to compose music, paint, do advanced mathematics, theoretical physics. Did a great compose just decide, at age 5, to write a symphony? Did someone else decide to let their mind leap to unknown areas in understanding the universe? There are many things difficult to comprehend. Sometimes saying “I don’t understand, but I accept” is all that’s required.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
9:44 am

straitroad — “Polygamy will be next on the democrat agenda. After all, some are genetically wired to have multiple partners, right?”

And Neal Horsley’s genetically wired for barnyard animals; what of it?

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
9:44 am

We could respect your activisim.

I could if there were any polygamists out there who weren’t misogynistic a$$holes. So far I’ve yet to learn of any. I could be wrong.

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
9:44 am

N-GA

Well said!

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2013
9:45 am

“Polygamy will be next on the democrat agenda. After all, some are genetically wired to have multiple partners, right?”

and that ever-present slippery slope makes it’s appearance…right on schedule

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 26th, 2013
9:45 am

Well, we’re just a couple months away from them forcing us to get gay married! It’s unbeleivable! I thought I had the God-given right to hate the Gays and shake the Bible at them. And now this Activist Court could make us let the Gays get married and nothing we could do about it.

I reckon it’s true what I heard up at Billy Bob’s Saturday night: Be kind to the Gays because one day you might marry one.

It’s a sad, sad day in this country for the Straights, by the Straights, and whatever the third one is for the Straights. Have a good Tuesday everybody.

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
9:46 am

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
9:44 am
We could respect your activisim.

I could if there were any polygamists out there who weren’t misogynistic a$$holes. So far I’ve yet to learn of any. I could be wrong.
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I suspect one woman with multiple husbands would do better….and have
a great lawn, neat hedges and properly inflated tires

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 26th, 2013
9:47 am

Polygamy will be next on the democrat agenda. After all, some are genetically wired to have multiple partners, right?

Newt says “what”? At one time divorce was not permitted but some just had to have multiple new partners.

JamVet

March 26th, 2013
9:48 am

Civil rights protestors in the 60s didn’t wait, and they’re not waiting today.

Beautiful!

But not for those who exemplify the stupid, insulting and backward party. (hat tip, B. Jindal)

Where the appropriate adjective is…

Brutal.

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 26th, 2013
9:49 am

“If gay marriage is truly supported by the majority of the people, it will get here in its own good time and without the turmoil of a court decision – if Libs will just let nature run its course.”

I think they said something along those lines about slavery too…didn’t work then either.

Jerome Horwitz

March 26th, 2013
9:49 am

gadem – The same codewords once used against blacks are the same now used against homosexuals. No matter how the black clergy twists they’re guilty of the same prejudgices they fought against. I find them despicable, or Republican. The old “I got mine screw you” pilosophy. Hope you are able to open your eyes.

bookman parrot

March 26th, 2013
9:49 am

i have to commend jay today… in that he actually was not lazy and put some effort forth… albeit it was mostly propaganda that has been shed many times before
i will preface the rest of my comment… by i really don’t care what you do and with whom…
but i still get to have my opinion that it is not right; even though libs would and will try to take away
the rights of others to opposing opinion
i “like” your comment on “have done the rest of us a great favor”, but don’t understand how gay or not gay has helped everyone…
you use terms like “marytr”… please… the young man was a victim of course,… of mean individuals… but marytr…. good grief … you are stretching Jay
jay you speak of gay as “normal”…. sorry Jay, but by generic definition “normal” is what the vaste majority of people hold to or are or behave… and that is not being gay… so sorry charlie but gay is not normal by definition
do gay people have the same characteristics as other people, yes… except pretty much one

Scooter

March 26th, 2013
9:50 am

Wouldn’t it be great if everyone would stopped empowering government to promote their own self righteousness?

gadem also known as Benghazi

March 26th, 2013
9:50 am

I don’t flaunt the fact that I am heterosexual. I don’t attend Heterosexual Pride parades every week. Those are the things that I have a problem with. What people do in the privacy of their homes is none of my business.

For the record, I do have one or two gay friends, maybe more. What they do and who they love is their business. I just don’t want to be exposed to it nor do I want my kids exposed to it. I believe it is wrong. Plain and simple. Somethings I will not compromise on, so maybe I am a bigot. No better than the segregationist.

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
9:50 am

I suspect one woman with multiple husbands would do better

Perhaps. But that’s polyandry, not polygamy. Yes, I am being nitpicky.

In all seriousness, the only multiple-spouse relationship arrangements that’ve had any kind of “activism” behind them in this nation’s history, have (generally) been basically legal child rape by (invariably) much older guys.

Which seems all kinds of effed up, to me.

Brosephus™

March 26th, 2013
9:51 am

If you’re willing to stomp on someone else’s rights just because of your beliefs, then I think that person should be able to return the favor to you. This country is so damned selfish that it’s not even funny anymore. We’re (collectively) so worried about what WE think that the person who’s most affected isn’t even considered.

This SCOTUS ruling has already been written. As same-sex marriage has passed in some states, they have to be recognized in all states. Georgia, just like the other ass backwards states, will have to go back and remove that bigoted crap from their Constitutions. I can’t understand how some people try to use God to justify their own bigotries. That’s probaby why we’re having so many destructive storms and such nowadays.

Alex

March 26th, 2013
9:52 am

@ Stevie, attacking religion (fright instilled) may incite Jay’s syncophants but does nothing to help religious people to becoming more understanding of the gay issues. I think we all know good, honest philanthropic people who are against gay marriage ,based on biblical teachings. Perhaps if we show them due respect they will reciprocate and begin to evolve , just perhaps….

bookman parrot

March 26th, 2013
9:53 am

to stands for decibels
March 26th, 2013
9:21 am

so you are saying there is a large population of gays without jobs and homeless…
i’m thinking you are false…
common knowledge is gays on average make more money than average of non-gay population..
and why has the news not reported this huge homelessness of gays that you speak of …
so sorry “stands” but you are false and just toeing the lib line

Erwin's cat

March 26th, 2013
9:54 am

being gay is about as interesting as being left handed

guy

March 26th, 2013
9:54 am

God does not condone same sex marriage or the gay lifestyle. Also,porn,gambling,adultry,killing,etc. He does however expect us to treat others with compassion,no matter what. We all sin everyday so no need in trying to make excuses for our wrongdoings. Man cannot make right what God says is wrong. Let’s all look in the mirror before we physically or mentally bash others with whom we disagree.

Jay

March 26th, 2013
9:54 am

“Not many people these days think gays should stay in the closet. There are many people, however, who question gay marriage.

Jay, tying these two together is like adding one + one and getting eleven.”

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I very much disagree, Indigo. Either gay people are full and equal participants or they are not.

JamVet

March 26th, 2013
9:54 am

straitroad, the great question of your time is when will reason, common sense and decency be next on the Republican agenda?

Or how about this one – how long can you stay stuck in the 1950s?

Hopefully for a few more elections, at which time the nation will administer the last rights for neoconservatism…

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
9:54 am

I don’t attend Heterosexual Pride parades every week. Those are the things that I have a problem with

Sigh.

I do not for a moment, as a white guy (can’t help it, I was born this way), begrudge any public displays of ethnic pride by any group. I am fine and dandy with there being a Black Entertainment Network. Totally ok with the Congressional Black Caucus.

So we should be fine with Pride Week, et. al.

Such displays become less seemly, less necessary, as majority acceptance of such immutable traits become commonplace. At some point, the CBC (and BET) may seem quaint. For now, not so much.

Paul

March 26th, 2013
9:54 am

bookman parrot

“jay you speak of gay as “normal”…. sorry Jay, but by generic definition “normal” is what the vaste majority of people hold to or are or behave…”

Got it. So the top 1% of income earners are not ‘normal’ so we can discriminate against them by really, really raising their taxes, correct?

gadem

The fact you’re here, being open and discussing and thinking about your views, indicates to me you are further along than those other groups you described. Just don’t stop thinking about it.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 26th, 2013
9:54 am

For the record, I do have one or two gay friends, maybe more.

Well, I reckon it’s back to setting two stools apart up at Billy Bob’s. Now I’m going to have to look at even my buddy Jim Earl and my other buddy Joe Bill a little different. Whatever happened to the days when men were men and women were women and it never took much to tell the difference?

TGT

March 26th, 2013
9:54 am

The closet door is being lifted from its hinges forever.

Yeah, because liberals have managed to dupe a significant portion of the culture into believing the lie of the homosexual agenda, we can NOW conclude that homosexuality and all of its trappings (same-sex marriage, adoption, etc.) is “right.” Just a few years ago the leader of today’s liberals stood (or said he did) for (biblical) marriage. But now, because the political winds seem to be blowing the other way, same-sex marriage, etc. is the “right” thing to do. Tell me libs, is there any issue on which you wouldn’t change your mind if it was deemed to support your political agenda?

Also, tell us: how would you discriminate and define marriage? You going to leave out the polygamists?

Also, tell us: if government laws against private sexual behavior between consenting adults is wrong, will you be marching for the prostitutes next?

Also, tell us: If homosexuality is a genetic unchangeable trait, how is it that many leave their homosexuality behavior? (Including prominent Hollywood types such as Angelina Jolie.)

Also, tell us: Upon what moral code do you deem homosexuality “right? Why is it “wrong” to define marriage as a union of one man and one woman? What moral standard are you using to reach your conclusions?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 26th, 2013
9:55 am

I don’t flaunt the fact that I am heterosexual. I don’t attend Heterosexual Pride parades every week.

Spring breakers say what?
Sturgis bikers say what?
Girls Gone Wild says what?

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
9:55 am

so you are saying there is a large population of gays without jobs and homeless…

Can I have some of what you’re ingesting? (So I know never to take it myself, of course.)

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
9:55 am

gadem — “I don’t flaunt the fact that I am heterosexual. I don’t attend Heterosexual Pride parades every week. Those are the things that I have a problem with.”

As I said to JohnnyReb, your comfort or discomfort is beside the point. Some people are quite troubled by the fact that I’m an atheist, and I’ve been told many times — both online and off — that I should just keep it to myself.

Really? All the billboards and TV commercials for megachurches and all the big fancy structures y’all build, not to mention the protest marches and picketing y’all do and *I’m* the one who needs to pipe down?

Frankly, I think you’re totally oblivious to how much ‘flaunting’ straights and theists do simply as a matter of course.

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
9:55 am

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
9:50 am
I suspect one woman with multiple husbands would do better

Perhaps. But that’s polyandry, not polygamy. Yes, I am being nitpicky.

In all seriousness, the only multiple-spouse relationship arrangements that’ve had any kind of “activism” behind them in this nation’s history, have (generally) been basically legal child rape by (invariably) much older guys.

Which seems all kinds of effed up, to me.
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.Seriously, you are correct…nitpicking and all.

philosopher

March 26th, 2013
9:56 am

http://www.matthewvines.com/ Homosexuality is Not a Sin. For those serious enough and willing enough to see a different approach to interpreting what the Bible says (each “damning” word) about homosexuality. This young man just might open your frightened heart.

jconservative

March 26th, 2013
9:56 am

Re today’s case:

From the 14th Amendment – No state shall ” deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

Does this mean some citizens cannot marry who they wish to marry? Does this mean some citizens cannot pay taxes? Does this mean some citizens cannot vote? Does this mean that some citizens cannot attend certain schools?

Benghazi at 9:29 – “I also believe that homosexuality is wrong.”

So do I Benghazi. So do I.

Whether it is right or wrong is not a legal issue. What interest is the State serving by denying same sex couples the right to “marry”? Who benefits from denying that right?
Do you benefit from denying that right?

I have been married to the same woman for 44 years. Same sex marriage will have no effect on our marriage just as about of 50% of all marriages ending in divorce has no effect on our marriage.

The interesting question is whether the Court will take the easy way out and rule on standing instead of ruling on the Constitution.

Mick

March 26th, 2013
9:56 am

“Do what thou wilt, that shall be the whole of the law”, there is no more sin in the modern world…

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 26th, 2013
9:57 am

With the Supreme Court, I guess that it will all come down to whether they buy the myth that gay is a voluntary life style, as the religious would have us believe…or if they believe that being gay is genetic. If they believe that you are indeed born gay, they they have to rule for gay rights, otherwise they would be denying constitutional rights to an entire block of people. It would be a kind of gay Dred Scott decision…I don’t think that will happen in 2013.

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
9:57 am

guy

March 26th, 2013
9:54 am
God does not condone same sex marriage or the gay lifestyle
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Mine does.

Fire yours.

Erwin's cat

March 26th, 2013
9:58 am

Normal – I think they said something along those lines about slavery too…

I had no idea you were that old….and who are “they”?

Brosephus™

March 26th, 2013
9:58 am

Such displays become less seemly, less necessary, as majority acceptance of such immutable traits become commonplace. At some point, the CBC (and BET) may seem quaint. For now, not so much.

I don’t understand how or why people hate the free-market. There would be no need for same-sex marriage if the demand wasn’t there. Why not just take the opportunity to jump into business at the very beginning of the market?

————————–

Just a few years ago the leader of today’s liberals stood (or said he did) for (biblical) marriage. But now, because the political winds seem to be blowing the other way, same-sex marriage, etc. is the “right” thing to do.

Yep, like you’re going to see the President openly endorse discrimination against citizens. :roll:

Sean Smith

March 26th, 2013
9:59 am

“Polygamy will be next on the democrat agenda. After all, some are genetically wired to have multiple partners, right?”

You mean like Newt Gingrich and Mark Sanford????

JF McNamara

March 26th, 2013
9:59 am

@gadem also known as Benghazi,

I changed what you just said, so that you can get clarity on what everyone is trying to tell you. You are a bigot.

I don’t flaunt the fact that I am White. I don’t attend Black Civil Rights parades every week. Those are the things that I have a problem with. What people do in the privacy of their homes is none of my business. Separate but equal. It’s not that that bad.

For the record, I do have one or two [Black] friends, maybe more. What they is their business. I just don’t want to be exposed to [them] nor do I want my kids exposed to [them]. I believe they are not equal. Plain and simple. Somethings I will not compromise on, so maybe I am a bigot.

Peadawg

March 26th, 2013
9:59 am

“Why is it “wrong” to define marriage as a union of one man and one woman? What moral standard are you using to reach your conclusions?”

It’s discrimination. Easy. What part of “all men are created equal” do you not understand? Why do you hate the Constitution?

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
10:00 am

The problem with homosexuals is not that they can’t marry. Its that their behavior could result in death. We as a society shun smokers, drug addicts, and gun owners but refuse to condemn homosexual behavior. 20,000 people a year die of aids with most being related to homosexuality and drug use and nothing but praise form politicians and media. Sad.

clem

March 26th, 2013
10:02 am

what the heck is wrong with ga senate folks doing end run on abortion issue. they could truly care less about future children, just paying homage to their minority right wing base.

Alex

March 26th, 2013
10:02 am

Same old Jamvet, Granny, Horowitz,stands for.. beligerence and cussing and “yellin” trying to make a point by either sarcasm or aggressive statements…Does that usually affect other peoples opinions in a “social” situation? I suspect not…Same old stuff..Tiresome rants….angry people/self righteous . Be inclusive, accept those against gay marriage,instead of gleefully attacking them..it’s more difficult, stretch yourselves…….

JamVet

March 26th, 2013
10:03 am

God does not condone…

YOUR god?

Not mine, she’s a black and she’s not happy with you!

Apparently you Christian fascists are going to have to learn the same way that your Klan forebears did…

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 26th, 2013
10:03 am

Erwin’s cat

March 26th, 2013
9:58 am

Mostly Southern sympathizers…the argument was that one day, technology would render slaves useless…

St Simons- Cons - privatizimg the public & publicizing your privates since 1980

March 26th, 2013
10:03 am

once again, ‘merka No. 1 – f* yeah!
once again, #1 in being behind the curve of civilized nations
I can’t believe we are still talking about this in the 21st century.
really, man.

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
10:03 am

same old ALex…..

practically perfect in every way!

I admire that about him.

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
10:03 am

“42 percent of Americans told pollsters that they do not have a close friend or relative who is gay”

what rocks do these people live under???

criminey.

Jerome Horwitz

March 26th, 2013
10:04 am

OK religous zealots – please see the enclosed chart on biblical marraige posted here earlier (don’t know who to credit but it’s great). You should be on board with all of it. Right? It’s all or nothing when it comes to the Old Testament. And stay away from the BBQ and peel and eat shrimp. And don’t touch a football.

http://x70.xanga.com/f018463225db8282213520/b224941734.png

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
10:04 am

J.F. Mc @ 9.59, honestly, I don’t think that’s terribly helpful.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
10:04 am

JF McNamara — “I changed what you just said, so that you can get clarity on what everyone is trying to tell you.”

Well done, sir. (claps)

JF McNamara

March 26th, 2013
10:05 am

@Scratch It @ 10:00,

Wow, just wow. Its like 1990 in here. Being gay causes AIDS? I thought unsafe sex (no matter how) spread AIDS. SMH.

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2013
10:05 am

“With the Supreme Court, I guess that it will all come down to whether they buy the myth that gay is a voluntary life style, as the religious would have us believe…or if they believe that being gay is genetic. If they believe that you are indeed born gay, they they have to rule for gay rights, otherwise they would be denying constitutional rights to an entire block of people”

Actually…born gay or not does not come into it. The rights protected for us by the Consitution make no reference to what is inborn and what is not.

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 26th, 2013
10:05 am

Scratch It,
You are truly a tool. What goes on in a couples home is no one’s business. You really need enlightenment…

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
10:05 am

Its that their behavior could result in death.

Incoming LESBIAN ATTACK!

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
10:05 am

” Be inclusive, accept those against gay marriage,instead of gleefully attacking them..it’s more difficult, stretch yourselves…”

hooray! and, while you’re at it, accept those who are against inter-racial marriage, people who don’t like (insert religion here) and people who think blacks had it easy under slavery because their masters fed them and put a roof over their heads.

Peadawg

March 26th, 2013
10:06 am

“The problem with homosexuals is not that they can’t marry. Its that their behavior could result in death.”

Heterosexuals can get aids too, sport.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
10:06 am

Scratch It — “The problem with homosexuals is not that they can’t marry. Its that their behavior could result in death.”

Unless they’re *female* homosexuals, but I’m sure you just forgot about that part.

by golly

March 26th, 2013
10:06 am

I think some of the homophobes on here just need a ____ ___ but it is still illegal in Georgia.

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2013
10:06 am

“20,000 people a year die of aids with most being related to homosexuality ”

And in Africa AIDS is more prevelent among the heterosexual population

JF McNamara

March 26th, 2013
10:07 am

@stand for decibels,

I’m African American and my comment was addressed to another African American. In the context of our previous comments, it makes sense.

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
10:07 am

“Its that their behavior could result in death. ”

thank god no heterosexuals ever died of a sexually transmitted disease …

oh, wait: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_syphilis_cases

Mick

March 26th, 2013
10:08 am

Dropping down to the 40’s tonite in miami….thank god…the summer is very, very, long and just around the corner…

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 26th, 2013
10:08 am

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2013
10:05 am

I agree that it shouldn’t but…I don’t trust the con five to do the correct thing and rule on the constitutionality of the thing.

clem

March 26th, 2013
10:09 am

so why does God create gays? to live forever closeted and living a lie? never knowing true companionship? a loving God?

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
10:09 am

“Not mine, she’s a black and she’s not happy with you! ”

mine looks and sounds like Charles Kurault … and really doesn’t give a damn.

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
10:10 am

“so why does God create gays? to live forever closeted and living a lie? never knowing true companionship? a loving God?”

just like gingers.

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 26th, 2013
10:10 am

Maybe I shouldn’t say this, but I know I have lesbian tendencies… ;)

Erwin's cat

March 26th, 2013
10:11 am

I don’t trust the con five to do the correct thing and rule on the constitutionality of the thing.

the “con” five that said ACA was constitutional?…that “con” five?

Matt321

March 26th, 2013
10:11 am

Man I am laughing at people talking about the “homosexual agenda.” Yes, conservatives – I’ll let you in on a secret! There IS a homosexual agenda. Step one – don’t allow people to beat gay people to death for being gay. Step two – make people aware that homosexuality is a natural part of life, and is not scary or wrong. Step three – Allow gay couples the same rights that straight couples have – you know, stuff like visiting your love one as they lay dying in a hospital, fixing inheritance laws, etc. Step four – Force everyone in the United States to wear rainbow colored clothes and dance to Cher albums, 24/7!

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
10:11 am

” Sturgis bikers say what?”

should I be afraid to ask?

JamVet

March 26th, 2013
10:12 am

Just another twisted, yesteryear viewpoint by Republicans that further isolates them from mainstream society, both in this country and most of the civilized world.

And just another area where they are much more closely aligned with the theocracies in the Middle East and dictatorships in Africa.

Enjoy that, cons…

Thomas Heyward Jr

March 26th, 2013
10:13 am

Only sheep and/or other domesticated livestock and/or Metro-Sexuals and/or wimps………….would let the State regulate what was in your closet to begin with.
.
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Jerome Horwitz

March 26th, 2013
10:13 am

Thanks for including me in your rant, Alex. Some of us may think you need to look in the mirror as you’re guilty of everything you charge us with. Except we’re challenging bigotry and you’re defending an outdated philosophy. And I think you’re despicable.

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 26th, 2013
10:13 am

“so why does God create gays? to live forever closeted and living a lie? never knowing true companionship? a loving God?”

Maybe He wanted to teach us understanding and tolerance…just like He tried to do by making us different colors. Maybe He wanted us to learn His way is not our way…

TGT

March 26th, 2013
10:14 am

Glad to see you support the Constitution Peadawg. So do I. So did Thomas Jefferson, wouldn’t you agree? So how was it that, operating under the principles of the Constitution that he helped author, he also was able to draft a bill concerning the criminal laws of Virginia in which he directed that the penalty for sodomy should be castration?

Of course, this is because he operated under Natural Law (that has NOT changed) which deems homosexual behavior as immoral.

philosopher

March 26th, 2013
10:15 am

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
10:00 am

The problem with homosexuals is not that they can’t marry. Its that their behavior could result in death.

Ignorance is such sweet bliss. I’m pretty sure someone has attempted to inform you at some point in your life (any time after the early 1990s) that AIDS can be spread through blood and body fluids. …and that is generally spread through the use of contaminated drug paraphernalia, blood transfusions (though not so much these days, thanks to screening abilities) and EITHER heterosexual activities OR homosexual sexual activities. So…I do suggest that you consider that when you have your nice, clean heterosexual fun…YOU CAN GET HIV…and protect yourself accordingly.

Jerome Horwitz

March 26th, 2013
10:15 am

Matt321 – I can live with Steps One to Three. Never will I dance to Cher albums. There’s a limit.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
10:16 am

Matt321 — “Man I am laughing at people talking about the “homosexual agenda.”

I think those that complain the loudest are just afraid that teh s00p@r-ghey will rub off on them if they get too close. It’s kinda like how some people cross the street to avoid the young African-American men they see coming the other way on the sidewalk.

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
10:16 am

“he also was able to draft a bill concerning the criminal laws of Virginia in which he directed that the penalty for sodomy should be castration?

Of course, this is because he operated under Natural Law (that has NOT changed) which deems homosexual behavior as immoral.”

and this was also a time when children were hung for petty crime.

not exactly an “enlightened” age when it comes to crime and punishment.

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2013
10:18 am

“So how was it that, operating under the principles of the Constitution that he helped author, he also was able to draft a bill concerning the criminal laws of Virginia in which he directed that the penalty for sodomy should be castration?”

He’s entitled to his opinion. And I hate to break this to you…but just in case you failed to notice…TJ is dead.

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
10:19 am

Normal, Plain and Simple

Scratch It,
You are truly a tool. What goes on in a couples home is no one’s business. You really need enlightenment…

Smoking goes on in people’s homes. So does overeating. It seems the gubmint wants to regulate that for the so called “public health”. Why not be truthful about homosexuality and the deadly diseases that go along with it…

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
10:19 am

” And I hate to break this to you…but just in case you failed to notice…TJ is dead.”

as is Francisco Franco.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
10:19 am

TGT — “Of course, this is because he operated under Natural Law (that has NOT changed)”

You seem to be laboring under the misconception that Natural Law is solidly defined and a system which is without dispute or disagreement. It is neither.

JamVet

March 26th, 2013
10:19 am

Alex, look no further than the sociopath Christian Conservative/scratchy.

He is exactly why your side is getting crushed…

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
10:20 am

JF McNamara

Wow, just wow. Its like 1990 in here. Being gay causes AIDS? I thought unsafe sex (no matter how) spread AIDS. SMH.

Homosexuals are overwhelmingly the main cuprit when it comes to spreading aids/hiv. I realize when a cause is close to a libs heart facts go out the window but sometimes you must face reality…

Erwin's cat

March 26th, 2013
10:20 am

What the hell is “Natural Law”?

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
10:21 am

clem

March 26th, 2013
10:09 am
so why does God create gays? to live forever closeted and living a lie? never knowing true companionship? a loving God?
.
.
.probably the same reason he created everybody else – it filled one day of the six….

by golly

March 26th, 2013
10:21 am

What will happen to Michelle Bachman’s husband and marriage for that matter once this happens? Pray Away the Gay out of business we can only hope.

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
10:21 am

” It seems the gubmint wants to regulate that for the so called “public health””

really?? the government has regulated people smoking in their home? or cooking cheeseburgers?

please … do provide examples.

saywhat?

March 26th, 2013
10:21 am

Whatever

March 26th, 2013
9:37 am
How do you not let your beliefs influence what you support? That’s totally illogical.
———————————————————————
I honestly believe most Georgia Republicans are f-ed in the head, but I don’t support institutionalizing them, deporting them, exterminating them, denying them the right to vote, the right to marry , the right to reproduce etc, despite the fact that I believe the rest of us would all be better off if we did indeed do one or two of those things.

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
10:22 am

I’m African American and my comment was addressed to another African American.

Well, I’m not, but it seemed kinda harsh, is all. (shrug.)

saywhat?

March 26th, 2013
10:23 am

scratch it-”Homosexuals are overwhelmingly the main cuprit when it comes to spreading aids/hiv.”
—————————————————————–
I thought it was Haitians. When my Jewish friend got aids, he worked very hard to convince his parents he was Haitian.

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
10:23 am

Natural law….heavens above!

It has not changed, but our understanding of it has.

Been “bled” lately?

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
10:24 am

Scratch It — “Homosexuals are overwhelmingly the main cuprit when it comes to spreading aids/hiv.”

FAIL.

Gay women have the *lowest* rate of HIV infection of all demographic groups yet studied.

“I realize when a cause is close to a libs heart facts go out the window but sometimes you must face reality…”

And so should you, oh Clueless One. Wake up to some facts, son.

The Thin Guy

March 26th, 2013
10:25 am

Am waiting for Bookman to come out of the closet and admit he is a member of The Tea Party. Occasionally I’m gay. But normally I’m just somewhere between melancholy and morose. But never homosexual. You ain’t got nothing I want. Watched Broke Back Mountain and puked when the two cowboys kissed. Most disgusting thing I’ve seen since the last demoncrap convention. Guess this is more interesting than 12 million American unemployed, 46 million on food stamps, the economy is deader than Elvis, etc. whilst The Indonesian Imbecile is playing golf with Tiger Woods and The Delaware Dummy is telling women to fire shotguns through doors while running up millions of dollars in hotel fees as he tours Europe to make them feel better about what they’ve got.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/03/hotel-contracts-for-biden-trip-to-london-paris-totaled-1-million/

I prefer Motel 6. They have free coffee in the morning and their cable system doesn’t have PMSNBC.

Gale

March 26th, 2013
10:25 am

I am suffering high anxiety this week. Even though we are unlikely to get a decision on either case for months, we should be able to detect which way the court is leaning from the sessions today and tomorrow. I would love to be able to marry on my vacation to CA this year.

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
10:25 am

Joe Hussein Mama

Scratch It — “The problem with homosexuals is not that they can’t marry. Its that their behavior could result in death.”

Unless they’re *female* homosexuals, but I’m sure you just forgot about that part.

Why is the gubmint spending our tax dollars to study why 75% of lesbians are fat and many are alcoholics. Even the gubmint must think its a lifestyle problem. But yes your right. Lesbians can’t get aids from whatever they do but they certainly can if they are bisexual and participate in homosexual orgies… I’ll agree the one’s who are built like linebackers are not the problem. Most of them stick to themselves and just accept the fact that what they do is wrong and has no place in normal society..

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
10:26 am

E. Cat — “What the hell is “Natural Law”?

It’s a notion that’s gaining currency in the conservative blogosphere; it’s essentially shorthand for ‘the way things ought to be from a conservative perspective.’ The problem is that there’s no firm, agreed-upon *doctrine* of natural law and there never has been.

Bob

March 26th, 2013
10:26 am

stands for decibels ,9:21 am “Meanwhile, it’s still perfectly legal to discriminate against Americans based on their sexual orientation when it comes to hiring and housing, in many of our 50 states.
So there’ll be that to deal with, as well, one presumes”
Meanwhile it’s perfectly legal to discriminate against Americans based on race and gender but we on the left are fine with discrimination when we do it. .
.

gadem also known as Benghazi

March 26th, 2013
10:26 am

@ sfd, I understood what he was doing and did not take exception to it. I actually thought it was well thought out to get me to see how silly my argument sounded. However, at this point in my life I can not condone something that I feel/believe/view as being immoral.

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
10:26 am

Even the Red Cross shuns homosexuals. Why no uproar over this?

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
10:26 am

“scratch it-”Homosexuals are overwhelmingly the main cuprit when it comes to spreading aids/hiv.””

and, again, you seem to think that AIDS is now and ever was the ONLY STD that was lethal. it’s only the LATEST one – all of which are attributed to sex, not necessarily homosexual sex.

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
10:27 am

as is Francisco Franco.

Still? Damn. That man has some staying power.

saywhat?

March 26th, 2013
10:28 am

scratch it-”Most of them stick to themselves and just accept the fact that what they do is wrong and has no place in normal society.”
———————————————————————
If only this were true of wing nut bloggers.

gadem also known as Benghazi

March 26th, 2013
10:28 am

Everyone knows that MEN whether straight or homosexual spread the HIV virus at high rates when safe sex is not practiced.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
10:28 am

Scratch It — “Why is the gubmint spending our tax dollars”

Who said the government did any of those studies? Not I.

“But yes your right.”

That’s right, I am.

And you’re wrong.

Please pipe down now; the adults are talking.

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 26th, 2013
10:28 am

Gale,

Good vibes coming your way…I believe it WILL go our way.

JF McNamara

March 26th, 2013
10:28 am

@Scratch It,

Here are my facts. Where are yours? Since the fact get it the way, prove to me that they are the main culprit.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/basic/#spread

JamVet

March 26th, 2013
10:29 am

Would someone tell these ignorant Republicans that the “homosexual lifestyle” has been around for at least four thousand years.

The first recorded homosexual couple in history is commonly regarded as Khnumhotep and Niankhkhnum, an Egyptian male couple, who lived around the 2400 BCE. The pair are portrayed in a nose-kissing position, the most intimate pose in Egyptian art, surrounded by what appear to be their heirs and wives. This is contested, as many archeologists, including David O’Connor, believe these to two to be blood relatives, most likely twins.

The only unnatural people around here are the willful stupidity and myopic…

guy

March 26th, 2013
10:30 am

JamVet and Granny, God will not stop us or strike us dead at what we do because we all have a free will. JamVet, you can bash me all you want because I don’t exactly agree with you. That’s ok,you are a bitter person with a angry heart and spirit and it shows. Rave on! Your opinion means no more than mine!

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
10:30 am

“Even the Red Cross shuns homosexuals. Why no uproar over this?”

but they roll out the red carpet for IV drug users.

oh. wait. nevermind.

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 26th, 2013
10:31 am

I thought it was Haitians. When my Jewish friend got aids, he worked very hard to convince his parents he was Haitian.

That’s funny right there.

Now the godless heathen’s opinion on the gayz getting married. I don’t care. I can’t see how it would affect me one way or the other. Let ‘em be stupid like everyone else.

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
10:31 am

dB – 10:27 – yay! someone got it!!

indigo

March 26th, 2013
10:32 am

JF McNamara – 10:07 “I’m African American and my comment was addressed to another African American”

I’m European American but, this site is for everyone.

In the future, please confine such replys to sites like the one below.

http://www.chocolatecity.cc/

JF McNamara

March 26th, 2013
10:32 am

@stands for decibels/@gadem also known as Benghazi,

Sorry if it was harsh. It really pains me to see the way the Black community treats this subject and treats the homosexuals within our community. Given our past, its exceptionally hypocritical in my opinion.

YouLibs

March 26th, 2013
10:33 am

JamVet is not a bitter person with an angry heart and spirit.

He just has a low tolerance for bigots and fools.

At least that’s how I see him.

JamVet

March 26th, 2013
10:33 am

The “thin” cons need a Defense of Neanderthals Act…

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
10:33 am

it’s perfectly legal to discriminate against Americans based on race and gender

er, where? huh?

hey…Wait a second–

are you one of those massively a$$holish a$$holes who actually believes that the few itsy-bitsy traces of affirmative action remaining in this country constitute such discrimination?

Because that’d explain a lot.

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 26th, 2013
10:34 am

USinUK … donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
10:26 am

Scratch is just saying what he was told to say…if he would study, he would see…as they say “There are none so blind as those who will not see”.

…or for the religious minded.. Jeremiah 5:21 ‘Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not’

by golly

March 26th, 2013
10:34 am

Liar

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
10:26 am
Even the Red Cross shuns homosexuals. Why no uproar over this?

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USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
10:35 am

“Jeremiah 5:21 ‘Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not’”

or heads up their backsides and poop not …

Finn McCool (the system isn't broken; it's fixed)

March 26th, 2013
10:35 am

Let em marry!

They have every right to be miserable too.

Bob

March 26th, 2013
10:36 am

Joe Hussein Mama,10:24 am
Scratch It — “Homosexuals are overwhelmingly the main cuprit when it comes to spreading aids/hiv.”

FAIL.

Gay women have the *lowest* rate of HIV infection of all demographic groups yet studied.
“I realize when a cause is close to a libs heart facts go out the window but sometimes you must face reality…” And so should you, oh Clueless One. Wake up to some facts, son”

The fact is gay women do not stick their body parts up some guys rearend and that is why they have the lower rate than males. The fact is gay men do have the highest infection rate, by far. The death rate between gay males and straight males is not even close.

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 26th, 2013
10:36 am

guy

March 26th, 2013
10:30 am

If God gave us free will, why are y’all trying to legislate away that free will?

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
10:36 am

“He just has a low tolerance for bigots and fools.”

I calls it ZBT

Zero Bullspit Tolerance.

Thomas Heyward Jr

March 26th, 2013
10:36 am

So Gays get their marraige recogniztion from nine government lawyers working for the State.
Whoop-de–doo
.
Decent people respect the institute of marraige more than that.
.
Sheeple?
not so much.
.
baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
10:36 am

philosopher

The problem with homosexuals is not that they can’t marry. Its that their behavior could result in death.

Ignorance is such sweet bliss. I’m pretty sure someone has attempted to inform you at some point in your life (any time after the early 1990s) that AIDS can be spread through blood and body fluids. …and that is generally spread through the use of contaminated drug paraphernalia, blood transfusions (though not so much these days, thanks to screening abilities) and EITHER heterosexual activities OR homosexual sexual activities. So…I do suggest that you consider that when you have your nice, clean heterosexual fun…YOU CAN GET HIV…and protect yourself accordingly.

Nice spill. But I’m sure that if you inform yourself and look at actual statistics you will be proven wrong. Homosexuals are without a doubt the main culprits in the spread of aids/hiv. This is a fact. The gubmint run website cdc.gov proves this. Ignorance when facts are ignored simply means one refuses to accept reality….

Matt321

March 26th, 2013
10:37 am

It keeps getting better! Homosexuality upsets natural law, because of the Virginia penal code drafted by Thomas Jefferson? Seriously? I guess there’s only one thing to do – re-institutionalize slavery. After all, Thomas Jefferson was a slaveholder. Also, we’ll want to clear up that it’s not statutory rape to force your slaves to have intimate relations with you – you know, the way that Thomas Jefferson did. Because if Thomas Jefferson did it, clearly that’s good enough for me! (Also, sorry Dave Ramsey fans, Thomas Jefferson was a giant debtor his whole life, kept his slaves working to pay his debts, and died with large debts).

JamVet

March 26th, 2013
10:37 am

He just has a low tolerance for bigots and fools.

EXTREMELY low, YouLibs!

One of the very few things that George got right – we don’t negotiate with terrorists. Even the would be kind

And given the chance, the worst of these Republican cavemen would go right back to lynching and murdering homosexuals, like they did to that kid in Wyoming, if they thought they could get away with it.

And then sings hymn to Jesus on Sunday morning.

Puke…

Welcome to the Occupation

March 26th, 2013
10:37 am

Normal: “You are truly a tool. What goes on in a couples home is no one’s business”

Well, actually, it is our business. If say one of the couple is a minor, or is coerced to perform the act, etc.

So the liberal claim that it’s none of our business is not entirely true.

Plus, let’s face it, gays are not only asking for tolerance, they are asking to not be stigmatized for their sexual acts in private, so in a sense that means they are asking us to be concerned with what they do in their bedrooms. That is, they’re asking us not to reject them for it, but to embrace them. And I think that’s an absolutely necessary and good thing. But let’s not pretend that it’s about being disinterested in people’s sexual activities. The sexual activities of people is always one of the primary concerns of human civilization.

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 26th, 2013
10:38 am

YouLibs

March 26th, 2013
10:33 am

I agree!

Atlanta Mom

March 26th, 2013
10:38 am

Redneck Convert (R–and proud of it)
Always enjoy your words of wisdom. I’ll be on the outlook for those gays who might just want to marry me.

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
10:38 am

It really pains me to see the way the Black community treats this subject

Me too. (well, if by that you mean “SOME in the black community.”)

Thing is, and it’s a subtle point, bear with me—I actually am somewhat sympathetic to those blacks who bristle, just a bit, at people who are a bit too quick with the equivalency arguments, i.e., saying that the struggle for gay civil rights is neatly analogous to the struggle against racial discrimination. There are certainly some big honkin’ similarities (not the least of which are the stupid arguments-against), but I do get that each movement, each struggle, is unique. If that makes sense, and I’m probably putting way too fine a point on it.

OBIWAN

March 26th, 2013
10:39 am

I am so glad that the democrats believe they are the party of the lowly underdogs, but they forget about the other 89% of people in the process. I they care about all the people why do they give 100% to defend the gay population, about 3% of the population; and the unions, about 8% of the people. All I hear about from the left is NOT about the 89% only the very vocal 11%, why is that? By the way do you liberals still believe Obozocare is free? RLOL

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
10:39 am

“Well, actually, it is our business. If say one of the couple is a minor, or is coerced to perform the act, etc.

So the liberal claim that it’s none of our business is not entirely true. ”

ohfercryingoutloud … between consenting adults

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
10:40 am

guy

March 26th, 2013
10:30 am
JamVet and Granny, God will not stop us or strike us dead at what we do because we all have a free will
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What, no pillars of salt?

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 26th, 2013
10:40 am

Welcome to the Occupation

March 26th, 2013
10:37 am

I think you’re wrong, but I also think Thomas Hayward is into sheep…

indigo

March 26th, 2013
10:41 am

Jay – 9:54

Most people today believe being gay is a biological thing.

Psychologists say Pedifiles have a behavior that is so deeply seated it cannot be cured.

So, by your logic, Pedifiles should also be “full and equal participants”.

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
10:41 am

Joe Hussein Mama:

I agree. Women homosexuals who do their thing can’t transmit aids/hiv. But when they run in crowds that have a high prevalence of the disease and participate in deviant behavior they certainly can.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/women/index.htm

Matti

March 26th, 2013
10:42 am

“just like gingers”

First lets get equality for the LGBT community. Then we’ll take our Free Gingers March to Washington. Um, we’ll have to go in the late evening, though, after 3:00 PM. With hats. Dammit.

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2013
10:43 am

“There are certainly some big honkin’ similarities (not the least of which are the stupid arguments-against), but I do get that each movement, each struggle, is unique”

Of course they are. In principle they are very similar…but the bottom line is that it’s harder to hide the fact that you have dark skin than it is to hide your sexual orientation. So they are both struggles for equality, but they are not equal struggles.

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
10:43 am

Then we’ll take our Free Gingers March to Washington.

heeheehee :-)

by golly

March 26th, 2013
10:44 am

I use a pedifile when I get my pedicure.

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
10:44 am

Also, sorry Dave Ramsey fans

heh, heh, heh.

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2013
10:44 am

“So, by your logic, Pedifiles should also be “full and equal participants”

Nope, that’s a FAILURE in YOUR “logic”

Jay

March 26th, 2013
10:45 am

No, Indigo, that is your sad excuse for logic, not mine.

Pedophiles prey on helpless children. Gay Americans are mutually consenting adults. Your inability to see the vast difference says far more about your own blindness than it does about gay people.

JamVet

March 26th, 2013
10:45 am

They have every right to be miserable too.

LOL, and agreed!

I do not endorse not do I censor homosexuality.

As a pragmatist – which means I cannot be a Republican – I simply understand that it has always been part of human history and always will be.

Brutally suppressing it through violence, hatred and ignorance accomplished nothing.

Pretending that you can make it go away because you do not like it accomplishes nothing.

And having idiotic prayer sessions to “straighten” out gays is beyond stupid, even for the incredibly thick skulled Ms. Bachmann.

I’ve got real bad news for you homophobic bigots – this isn’t the 1930s.

Deal with it and understand that the problem is YOURS, not theirs.

Or join another species…

breckenridge

March 26th, 2013
10:45 am

I think it’s quite obvious from reading the Bible that many Americans are choosing a sinful lifestyle. And they are doing so each and every day of their lives.

So let this serve as a warning to you who are guilty of this sin. Gluttony is evil, it is catering to the devil. Start prying yourselves away from the dinner table in a timely manner and exercising daily, lose weight now ask me how, because if you keep offending God with your gluttonous way he just may send you straight to hell.

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
10:45 am

by golly: There is a good chance I could see you on the Island lol. Late April is when we are loooking as well.

St. Simons had earlier mentioned this place: http://www.benniesredbarn.com/

There is a bar he likes as well, but I forget the name. I’m going to ask him and writeit down this time lol.

If you get there before we do write down the places you like. As for King and Prince: Did you see the Sunrise special?

Finn McCool (the system isn't broken; it's fixed)

March 26th, 2013
10:46 am

How do you folks equate pedophilia with homosexuality?

You think there are no heterosexual pedophiles?

by golly

March 26th, 2013
10:46 am

Even one of the right wing “saviors” neal boortz is in favor of gay marriage.

Peter

March 26th, 2013
10:46 am

Maybe the past administration will come out of the closet on where the missing 1 Billion plus US dollars went the Accounting office is not able to track during the Iraq war ?

I doubt that……. the Dick Cheney Republican’ s sure got filthy Rich killing American’s didn’t they ?

How is that Democratic Iraq Government working out these days ?

How is that oil we were suppose to get working out for American’s these days ?

williebkind

March 26th, 2013
10:46 am

“Be proud of how God made you.”

GG has lost all credibility now. All things were created by God and all things were perfect. God did not create homosexuality which is sin–man created that.

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
10:46 am

This is an interesting chart. It doesn’t even show heterosexual men as being close to high risk in terms of getting aids/hiv. This is just in 2010. One could only imagine what it will look like now since the media has jumped on the bandwagon supporting this repulsive behavior.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/us.htm

Matti

March 26th, 2013
10:47 am

USinUK,

The day will come when we no longer have to bleach our hair and stain our skin orange just to try to fit in. (Okay, so I gave that up years ago, but still…) No wonder LiLo drinks, always trying to hide who she is!

Peadawg

March 26th, 2013
10:47 am

“So let this serve as a warning to you who are guilty of this sin.”

Just remember when you point 1 finger at someone, you have 3 pointing right back at you.

Peter

March 26th, 2013
10:47 am

Gluttony is evil, it is catering to the devil.

YUP looks like all the over weight folks in church are catering to the devil.

by golly

March 26th, 2013
10:48 am

Fred-actually we are going on the Sunrise Special days. Will check out benniesredbarn too. Thanks!

clem

March 26th, 2013
10:49 am

in the south there are tons of them. no pun intended

Peter

March 26th, 2013
10:49 am

“Be proud of how God made you.”

YUP God created gays …….just like he created Republican’s.

JamVet

March 26th, 2013
10:50 am

Does OBIWAN really contend that liberty and justice for all is to be administered via some Gallup poll?

And the homosexuality equals pedophilia nonsense shows just how demented and depraved that some of the con non-arguments really are…

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2013
10:50 am

“God did not create homosexuality which is sin–man created that.”

Got proof?

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
10:50 am

Why won’t the Red Cross accept homosexual blood?

Welcome to the Occupation

March 26th, 2013
10:50 am

Normal,

Another way of putting it is that all a marriage ceremony is is a way for the community to get together and give married couples their blessing so that they can f**ck without the stigma of fornication, i.e. with the full sanction and legitimacy in the eyes of the community. So far from being a matter of indifference to the public what the couple are doing “in their bedrooms”, that’s the WHOLE POINT of it. Hence the quasi-erotic paraphernalia that have always more or less accompanied marriage rites and ceremonies, and not just in pagan times.

Though this has traditionally meant that in theory the sexual intercourse can be channeled towards a public good — namely reproduction of the species — the step that is being taken now, and it’s a perfectly necessary one, is that the whole process is at last finally being decoupled from its biological underpinnings in physical reproduction.

breckenridge

March 26th, 2013
10:50 am

“An alliance or coalition between Government and religion cannot be too carefully guarded against……Every new and successful example therefore of a pefect separation between ecclesiastical and civil matters is of importance……..religion and government will exist in greater purity, without (rather) than with the aid of government.” James Madison, author of the Bill Of Rights, 1822.

Here Madison is confirming the intent behind the Establishment Clause in the First Amendment. And he is clearly telling evangelical Christians, who choose ignorance in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, to take their idiotic beliefs and stick them in their hat.

TGT

March 26th, 2013
10:51 am

“True law,” as Cicero called it, is the “one eternal and unchangeable law [that] will be valid for all nations and all times, and there will be one master and ruler, that is God, over us all, for he is the author of this law…”

“[The] Law of Nature” wrote English philosopher John Locke (who also profoundly influenced our Founders), “stands as an eternal rule to all men, legislators as well as others. The rules that they make for other men’s actions must…be conformable to the Law of Nature, i.e. to the will of God…”

Sir William Blackstone, another renowned and favorite English jurist of our Founders, declared in his presuppositional basis for law that, “These laws laid down by God are the eternal immutable laws of good and evil…This law of nature dictated by God himself, is of course superior in obligation to any other. It is binding over all the globe, in all countries, and at all times: no human laws are of any validity if contrary to this…”

C.S. Lewis concludes that, “Natural Law or Traditional Morality [whatever one chooses to call it]…is not one among a series of possible systems of value. It is the sole source of all value judgments. If it is rejected, all value is rejected. If any value is retained, it is retained.”

guy

March 26th, 2013
10:51 am

YouLibs,That’s why JamVet has low tolerance for you. That’s what I thought and it takes a big person like you to admit it. You can overcome it in time.Thanks because there are bigots and fools on both sides. We are all insane anyway!!!!

clem

March 26th, 2013
10:51 am

williebkind of stupid; i suppose you could never tell if a child was likely or had gay tendancies?

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
10:51 am

“No wonder LiLo drinks, always trying to hide who she is!”

That’s IT!!! she’s ashamed of the ginger.

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
10:52 am

A patholigical hatred for Christians (priests) and a constant desire to always link gay with pedophiles……..

Am I REALLY that far off on wondering about someone being abused by a priest or pastor or religious leader as a child?

Please friend, get some professional help. Seriously. The second link you probably might not want to click on but the others could help. The third looks hopeful.

http://tinyurl.com/cluj2fk

Regnad Kcin

March 26th, 2013
10:52 am

Re: sheep, chidren, etc.

Google “Consent”

guy

March 26th, 2013
10:52 am

Granny, be careful little hands what you type.

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
10:52 am

BTW … if you’re looking for an Easter funny …

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcrg0B_yJAo

don’t know why, but this cracked me the heck up.

Finn McCool (the system isn't broken; it's fixed)

March 26th, 2013
10:53 am

All things were created by God and all things were perfect. God did not create homosexuality which is sin–man created that.

God didn’t create man, man created God.

harvey

March 26th, 2013
10:53 am

Jay, I guess I am wondering why it is that liberals think they know it all. Who are you to say it is time to come out of the closet? Isn’t that a matter for personal decision making. You liberals want to control all thought, diet and just about everything. How is that being liberal?

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
10:54 am

Even one of the right wing “saviors” neal boortz is in favor of gay marriage.

No he’s not. He’s all for gay rights on everything else but that. Unless he changed his stance just recently. His stance was that marriage was for PROCREATION and the protection of the children. He favored legal unions for gays.

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
10:55 am

williebkind

March 26th, 2013
10:46 am
“Be proud of how God made you.”

GG has lost all credibility now. All things were created by God and all things were perfect. God did not create homosexuality which is sin–man created that.
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If God created all things perfect Mr. Silly pants, Adam would have picked a carrot instaed of an apple.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 26th, 2013
10:55 am

TALKE ABOUT TAKING YOUR CLOTHES OUT OF THE CLOSET A LOT !

“In the first three months of the year, members of the first family have been on three vacations, averaging a vacation a month. And now it’s being reported that the first daughters are on a spring break vacation in the Bahamas.”

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/more-vacation-month-obamas-2013_711998.html

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
10:56 am

Bob — “The fact is gay women do not stick their body parts up some guys rearend and that is why they have the lower rate than males. The fact is gay men do have the highest infection rate, by far. The death rate between gay males and straight males is not even close.”

The fact is that’s not what Scratch It said.

If he can’t say what he means, that’s no one’s fault but his own.

And just FYI, there’s plenty of hetero buttsecks out there too, Champ.

Peadawg

March 26th, 2013
10:57 am

“He certainly is not the king of vacation days. That honor falls to President George W. Bush, who racked up 1,020 vacation days in his eight years in office, including one five-week vacation, the most of any president in 36 years.”

Regnad Kcin

March 26th, 2013
10:58 am

“All things were created by God and all things were perfect”

…and satan was created by god?

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
10:58 am

Scratch It — “I agree. Women homosexuals who do their thing can’t transmit aids/hiv. But when they run in crowds that have a high prevalence of the disease and participate in deviant behavior they certainly can.”

Just FYI, “Women homosexuals who do their thing can’t transmit aids/hiv” does not equal “when they run in crowds that have a high prevalence of the disease and participate in deviant behavior they certainly can.”

You need to sharpen your aim, Cowboy.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
11:00 am

breckenridge — “So let this serve as a warning to you who are guilty of this sin.”

I’m immune to sin. If you’re so worried about it, then you’d better check your ownself.

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
11:00 am

Reading all this stuff about AIDS posted here makes me realize that many of you need some education. I’m in a helping mood today so I will help you educate yourself.

https://www.coursera.org/course/aids

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
11:01 am

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 26th, 2013

Are Sasha and Malia staying in the same place Mr. Bushs daughter did?

Regnad Kcin

March 26th, 2013
11:01 am

“when they run in crowds that have a high prevalence of the disease and participate in deviant behavior they certainly can.”

…and this is different from heterosexuals because…?

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2013
11:01 am

“God didn’t create man, man created God”

I prefer: You know you have created your God in your image when your God hates the same people you do.

Morality?

March 26th, 2013
11:03 am

Jay – Your argument is that because there are more “gays”, supposedly, than was originally thought then gay marriage should be allowed? 1st of all no one knows what % of the population is “gay” just as no one knows the % of the population that is illegal aliens. It was for years stated in text books that 1% to 2% were “gay”. Now some say it’s as many as 10% though most findings say it’s 2% to 4% but who knows. The numbers shouldn’t matter……. morals shouldn’t be based on “popularity” or “fashion”. My belief is now and will always be that a moral marriage should be between one man and one woman. I know it’s “fashionable” to be for “gay” marriage but I don’t do “fashion”. What if opinion changed on sex with children and society decided pedophilia should be legal? Morality is not a popularity contest. I don’t hate “gays” and I am not afraid (homophobic) to be around “gays”. As long as they are civil with me I will be courteous and friendly with them. I know that I will be attacked by you rabid pit bulls for opposing “gay marriage” – this is still America… I have a right to my beliefs and I acknowledge your right to your beliefs even if I don’t agree.

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
11:03 am

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
11:04 am

Are Sasha and Malia staying in the same place Mr. Bushs daughter did?

I doubt it. The Obama girls aren’t old enough to be bar hopping party girls.

breckenridge

March 26th, 2013
11:04 am

Those who maintain there is a higher incidence of child molestation by gay people or either 1) misinformed or 2) liars.

I have no dog in this fight, no desire to slant or shade the truth. But the fact is child molestation by gays, both in actual numbers and a percentage of recorded molestations, is far less than by hetros. So quit lying while your performing your sinful acts of gluttony or you’ll get a one-way ticket to the hot place. Because God hates gluttonous liars.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
11:04 am

“Morality” — “My belief is now and will always be that a moral marriage should be between one man and one woman.”

Good. Then go and have such a marriage to your heart’s content.

And don’t presume to tell others what sorts of marriages THEY should have.

JamVet

March 26th, 2013
11:05 am

God did not create homosexuality…

It would humorous to think that this insanity is tongue-in-cheek.

But for the most unevolved, this is pretty predictable fare…

St Simons- Cons - privatizimg the public & publicizing your privates since 1980

March 26th, 2013
11:05 am

oh snap i’ve been moderated- they found out i was a subversive savage
black helicopters attacted by my aluminum foil hat.

whaaaat? Bennie’s on de island has a website? I didn’t know they
even knew about telephones, much less the internet.
There’s an huge oak tree growing right up through the ‘roof’ in the
middle of the red barn. They use it as a liquor shelf, but i digress.
well, you learn sompn every day…
slow down when you get here, like way dowwwn mon

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
11:05 am

now it’s being reported that the first daughters are on a spring break vacation in the Bahamas.

No longer Butthurt-over-Benghazi–now, they’re Butthurt-over-Bahamas.

Weird, weird people.

MANGLER

March 26th, 2013
11:05 am

The United States is a nation of laws based on a document that says all people are created equal and deserve the same rights. Yeah, social potholes along the way but we’ve been paving over them. Marriage is a legal institution that carries civil protections. That is all marriage is from the purview of the Government. Churches can call it what they want, but from a legal stand point, everyone is equal. There should be no argument against it.

DebbieDoRight - today’s con wants to privatize the public & publicize your privates

March 26th, 2013
11:05 am

Late to the drill but………

From JoeM: The closet door is being lifted from its hinges forever.” . . . and let’s see how many notable Republicans scurry away when the lights go on.

Man! that Joe Mama is mean!

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gadem: I am African American as well as in the south…so I am a lot more conservative on this issue. I don’t agree with discrimination, but I also believe that homosexuality is wrong. I honestly believe that it is a choice. I can’t wrap my mind around being born that way.

I understand perfectly how you feel — sometimes its hard to understand something from someone else’s view point. However think of it like this — When you were little and you started liking girls(?) was that a “choice” or was that just the way it was? Sometimes when you break down a question and use the common denominator to find the like/like equivalent, its much more simpler to understand.
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Scratchit: The problem with homosexuals is not that they can’t marry. Its that their behavior could result in death.

SI — using that same “common denominator” theme that I talked about previously why not look at this way – we are ALL going to die. There’s not getting around it.

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
11:06 am

Joe Hussein Mama

Scratch It — “I agree. Women homosexuals who do their thing can’t transmit aids/hiv. But when they run in crowds that have a high prevalence of the disease and participate in deviant behavior they certainly can.”

Just FYI, “Women homosexuals who do their thing can’t transmit aids/hiv” does not equal “when they run in crowds that have a high prevalence of the disease and participate in deviant behavior they certainly can.”

You need to sharpen your aim, Cowboy.

So we should allow homosexual women to marry and not men? Is that what your saying?

You need to inform yourself and accept reality, Sport.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
11:06 am

breckenridge — ” So quit lying while your performing your sinful acts of gluttony or you’ll get a one-way ticket to the hot place.”

It’s YOUR hell, so YOU go there.

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
11:06 am

brekenridge

can you prove that?

Regnad Kcin

March 26th, 2013
11:07 am

“Jay – Your argument is that because there are more “gays”, supposedly, than was originally thought then gay marriage should be allowed?”

No. Read it again.

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
11:07 am

I still haven’t received an answer. Why won’t the red Cross accept homosexual blood?

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2013
11:07 am

Mangler…VERY well put!

Bob

March 26th, 2013
11:07 am

JamVet, 10:29 am ”

Would someone tell these ignorant Republicans that the “homosexual lifestyle” has been around for at least four thousand years.

The first recorded homosexual couple in history is commonly regarded as Khnumhotep and Niankhkhnum, an Egyptian male couple, who lived around the 2400 BCE. The pair are portrayed in a nose-kissing position, the most intimate pose in Egyptian art, surrounded by what appear to be their heirs and wives. This is contested, as many archeologists, including David O’Connor, believe these to two to be blood relatives, most likely twins.

The only unnatural people around here are the willful stupidity and myopic…”

Wow Jamvet, that changes everything, rump rangers have been around 4000 years, So What ! Would you be here if hetros decided to become homos ? You want to talk about un-natural and then want us to think to men humping each other is natural ? As a libertarian I support gays getting married. I find it funny to hear the left base it on equality because the left do not believe in treating everyone equal, they believe in quotas and minority set asides. And another funny part is when people like Jamvet want us to believe its natural. When two men can have sex and one gets pregnant, carries the baby to term and breast feeds it then I may agree how natural it is. If it were up to homos procreating we wouldn’t have to worry about man made global warming, we wouldn’t have man.

Morality?

March 26th, 2013
11:08 am

JAY – I am still waiting for you to get the courage to discuss the topic of the budget “plan” just passed by the Dem led Senate. This is a current topic that I thought you would take up – knowing about your concern for the size of the Fed deficit. Projections show that this budget “plan” will lead to ONE TRILLION in new taxes and SEVEN TRILLION added to the Federal Deficit over the next 10 years. Surely you want to defend this budget “plan” and the direction it is taking us in?

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
11:08 am

Anyone else read Morality’s screed and think, “man, that must be a lot of work, putting bunny-ear quotes around the word ‘Gay’ each and every time like that”?

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
11:08 am

brekenridge

I can assure you the male that molested me was and still is hetero,,,

He was SOOOO hetero he did a few other 4 and 5 year olds girls in the neighborhood before he got caught……

he was so very manly.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
11:08 am

Scratch It — “So we should allow homosexual women to marry and not men? Is that what your saying?”

Nope. I’m saying that your two sentences contradicted each other.

“You need to inform yourself and accept reality, Sport.”

I have, whereas you’re fighting it tooth-and-nail.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 26th, 2013
11:08 am

wow, so now in conned fantasy land, Obama’s daughters on vacation is not to be permitted even if their father is not with them. What stupidity from our righties. And so nice of them (brietbart) to report the location of the girls so that they could be at additional risk.

Peter

March 26th, 2013
11:08 am

God created Republican gays……. wow that is the truth !

mm

March 26th, 2013
11:08 am

The religious fanatics have driven this anti-gay message for decades. Their views and beliefs are discriminitory and the majority of Americans have had enough. Even the cons are waking up to this reality But their talk is cheap because they believe the SC will rule in favor of the bigots in our society. We shall see. Hopefully Kennedy will side with the liberal judges.

Peadawg

March 26th, 2013
11:08 am

“I still haven’t received an answer. Why won’t the red Cross accept homosexual blood?”

Is your Google broken?

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2013
11:09 am

“I still haven’t received an answer. Why won’t the red Cross accept homosexual blood?”

this isn’t a Red Cross blog. Try asking THEM.

by golly

March 26th, 2013
11:10 am

Refuted 2 pages ago, you are a liar.

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
11:07 am
I still haven’t received an answer. Why won’t the red Cross accept homosexual blood?

War Eagle

March 26th, 2013
11:10 am

“I don’t flaunt the fact that I am heterosexual. I don’t attend Heterosexual Pride parades every week. Those are the things that I have a problem with. What people do in the privacy of their homes is none of my business.

For the record, I do have one or two gay friends, maybe more. What they do and who they love is their business. I just don’t want to be exposed to it nor do I want my kids exposed to it. I believe it is wrong. Plain and simple. Somethings I will not compromise on, so maybe I am a bigot. No better than the segregationist.” It is UN Civil to hold your own parade and flaunt non conformist behavior. Blacks did not want separate but equal, yet they have their own TV network, their own organizations, their own Basketball League and own holidays. Yet if a White TV or org popped up, they would be protesting to beat the devil. Now, who is to say that a gay couple would not adopt a straight kid and teach him the customs of Gay ism? In fact turning him Gay? Just wondering how any one can be in love with someone with the same genitals. Do they get hard looking at themselves? As for civil rights, NO rights for those that act Uncivilly! Criminals included. BTW- where is the uproar from the CBC about the two black teens that killed a white baby? Are they condoning it? Our morals have gone down the drain and if we have a difference of opinon, we are called haters. How about YOU people just have an open mind and see it from another person’s view? Or just accept that you agree to disagree.

Peter

March 26th, 2013
11:10 am

Voters created Gay Republican leaders ………… like the ones who troll in public bathrooms.

Peadawg

March 26th, 2013
11:11 am

Morality?
March 26th, 2013
11:08 am

Ever heard of blogspot.com?

Regnad Kcin

March 26th, 2013
11:11 am

” Why won’t the red Cross accept homosexual blood?”

I believe they have a website. Try there.

Escaped from Email Purgatory

March 26th, 2013
11:11 am

“They have forced society as a whole to confront not just the existence of gay brothers and sisters and parents and children and friends and co-workers, but their fundamental normality as well.”

Yep. Well said.

Not being religious, I don’t perceive marriage as a sacred union limited to a man and a woman. I have no problem with that belief however. And think it’s a bit much to label all who feel that way as homophobes.

Hopefully, the Court will bestow its official blessing to gay marriage. We got enough stuff dividing us. Seems to me this should be removed from the list and placed in the WGF category.

That’s a double edges sword, however. So hopefully the Braves won’t feel compelled to have LGBT Night at the Ted either. Lets all just be baseball fans, shall we?

Maybe it will be part of a maturation process for America too. It would be nice if equal segments of us would stop gnashing our teeth or fawning and getting all weepy over the import of a black president and Uncle Larry and his “best friend” getting hitched.

I look forward to the day when our president doesn’t have to be our black president and Ellen DeGeneres is just another cute tomboy

mm

March 26th, 2013
11:11 am

Morality,

” I am still waiting for you to get the courage to discuss the topic of the budget “plan” just passed by the Dem led Senate. ”

Are you still whining about this? What do you think of the Ryan plan that destroys SS, Medicare, and Medicaid in order to give tax breaks to the rich, and increases the debt by 10 trillion dollars?

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
11:12 am

In fact…all of the ladies I know who have been molested have been
molested by heterosexual males.

Every one of them.

by golly

March 26th, 2013
11:12 am

The money quote:

“A straight person who has unsafe sex with multiple partners can give blood, and that creates a greater risk than a gay person in a monogamous relationship.”

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
11:12 am

Regnad Kcin

“when they run in crowds that have a high prevalence of the disease and participate in deviant behavior they certainly can.”

…and this is different from heterosexuals because…?

Aids/hiv is not prevalent in normal society…. Look at the stats…

Peter

March 26th, 2013
11:12 am

“I still haven’t received an answer. Why won’t the red Cross accept homosexual blood?”

Because of a law suit ……. that should be easy to answer. Plus they are too busy spending the money for their own agenda to have to pay a bunch of lawyers.

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
11:13 am

Granny Godzilla

In fact…all of the ladies I know who have been molested have been
molested by heterosexual males.

Every one of them.

And all the boys that I’ve known of have been molested by homosexual men…

Regnad Kcin

March 26th, 2013
11:14 am

“JAY – I am still waiting for you to get the courage to discuss the topic of the budget “plan” just passed by the Dem led Senate”

I’m still waiting for that winning lottery ticket.

Have you ever heard that saying about blogspot? If you think people might be interested in the off-topic things you have to say, you might garner the attention you crave there.

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
11:14 am

Peter:

“I still haven’t received an answer. Why won’t the red Cross accept homosexual blood?”

Because of a law suit ……. that should be easy to answer. Plus they are too busy spending the money for their own agenda to have to pay a bunch of lawyers.

I’ve never heard of any lawsuit but since you posted this on an internet blog it must be true..

Checking in after the dictator gets another 4 years

March 26th, 2013
11:14 am

The Americans who support Gay marriage ( mostly the 40 and under crowd) need to just have patience.
When the American population say 55 and over are dead and gone, you can pass anything you want. Man marrying dog will be OK. The ” morals” crowd will be gone. The greatest generation will be gone. Those who remember, warts and all about a great,free, prosperous and moral country, and know why is was that way, will be gone………And like all evil, there will be a yearning for goodness…….and it will be too late. Learn from Islamist terrorist…..just be patient.

JF McNamara

March 26th, 2013
11:15 am

@Scratch It,

So we agree that on two points.

1. Being Gay does not cause AIDS
2. AIDs transmissions rates are higher amongst homosexuals than others.

The fact is that people are not dying from being gay. They are dying from having unprotected sex. Whether we pass or do not pass gay marriage, will either of those statements change? Denying gay marriage does not change anything with the status quo except stopping them from having a monogamous contract.

Passing gay marriage will not make more gay people or change the status quo. All is does is allow the current gay people to get married.

philosopher

March 26th, 2013
11:15 am

I thought maybe you just had a little knowledge deficit, but from your response, it appears to be a logic problem. OK, then, you said, “The problem with homosexuals is not that they can’t marry. It’s that their behavior could result in death.” Since we know that heterosexuals’ behavior could (and does) result in death, too (from the exact same disease), they should not marry, either. So, it only follows that none of us should marry….a little problematic in our society, no?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 26th, 2013
11:15 am

The Red Cross does not accept a blood from a number of groups, including heterosexuals who have travelled to certain areas.

What a buffoonish issue to raid.

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
11:16 am

by golly

The money quote:

“A straight person who has unsafe sex with multiple partners can give blood, and that creates a greater risk than a gay person in a monogamous relationship.”

Not according to the Red Cross… Still no answer…. Just deflection…

Dave

March 26th, 2013
11:16 am

As you may remember from history classes, we used to have slaves in this country. We stopped that. We used to think it was okay to have separate but “equal” facilities – buses, schools, restrooms, water fountains and lunch counters. It took awhile, but we stopped that. Once upon a time, people of different races couldn’t marry each other in a bunch of states and as recently as 1967, we changed that.

For a few centuries, women couldn’t own property and were effectively chattel of their fathers and husbands. Into the last century they couldn’t vote. We finally changed all that.

This isn’t rocket science. Over the centuries we’ve treated various groups of people, to understate it, badly. Over time we figure out that we have done wrong, fix it and move on. It’s gay folks’ turn to be treated equally. Women people, black people, now gay people.

The Supreme Court make kick this issue down the road, but it shouldn’t.

Peter

March 26th, 2013
11:16 am

God created gays for sure…….. and he created a-sexual animals and fish that change their sexuality.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 26th, 2013
11:16 am

raise not raid

Grasshopper

March 26th, 2013
11:16 am

The next step for those of us that have lived our whole adult lives out of the closet is political freedom.

Not all gays are liberal in every aspect of our lives. There are those of us that believe in conservative economic ideas and smaller decentralized governments. Hopefully, our voices can be more accepted in the Republican party and Democrats will stop assuming that they will be automatically backed by gays.

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
11:17 am

Keep Up the Good Fight!

The Red Cross does not accept a blood from a number of groups, including heterosexuals who have travelled to certain areas.

What a buffoonish issue to raid.

I think its buffoonery to deflect. We’re talking about homosexuals and I asked a simple question. One that you don’t know or simply don’t want to answer… lol… silly libs..

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
11:17 am

Can you answer my question Jay?

Dave

March 26th, 2013
11:17 am

From a few minutes ago – may kick. Sorry.

Regnad Kcin

March 26th, 2013
11:18 am

“And all the boys that I’ve known of have been molested by homosexual men…”

Do you work at a church? Just askin’…

Morality?

March 26th, 2013
11:20 am

I wasn’t aware that I was pushing my belief on you Mama – it’s most likely the other way around. God gives you the free will to make your own decisions. It is up to you to decide what your destiny will be and no one is to blame or praise for your decision but you. That is called responsibility.

breckenridge

March 26th, 2013
11:20 am

“All things were created by God and all things were perfect. God did not create homosexuality which is sin–man created that.”

What high school did you drop out of?

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
11:20 am

Scratch it: Your question is not accurate. The Red Cross does NOT refuse blood from homosexuals.

When you can phrase your question correctly, then PERHAPS I’ll give you information to answer it for yourself. Until then I can’t answer a lie.

Divide and Conquer

March 26th, 2013
11:20 am

Progress is…making it all the way to second sheet before someone equates homosexuality with pedophilia.

Someday Contracts(arrangements) + Consenting Adults will equal Government Enforcement + None Your Damn Business. Someday.

Regnad Kcin

March 26th, 2013
11:20 am

Scratch it – if a disease arises that disproportionally affects heterosexuals, will you take that as proof that we all should be gay?

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
11:21 am

“And all the boys that I’ve known of have been molested by homosexual men…”

pedophiles

not homosexuals

world of difference

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
11:21 am

“And all the boys that I’ve known of have been molested by homosexual men…”

You don’t know my nephew.

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
11:21 am

Regnad Kcin

“And all the boys that I’ve known of have been molested by homosexual men…”

Do you work at a church? Just askin’…

No but I’m informed… That’s all it takes to keep up with issues. The media sweeps under the rug many child molestation’s because it may offend the homosexual community.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 26th, 2013
11:22 am

No Scratch It, it is buffoonish and stupid. Here you go, an entire alphabetical list of eligibility requirements, including aspirin, dental procedures. http://www.redcrossblood.org/donating-blood/eligibility-requirements/eligibility-criteria-alphabetical-listing
:roll:

And all the boys that I’ve known of have been molested by homosexual men

Apparently you are so clueless you don’t know about males molested by female teachers? More of your buffoonish clown posts.

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
11:22 am

USinUK … donde esta SPRING!!!???
“And all the boys that I’ve known of have been molested by homosexual men…”

pedophiles

not homosexuals

world of difference

Same thing…

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2013
11:23 am

“Man marrying dog will be OK. ”

AAAAAND the slippery slope makes yet another appearance

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 26th, 2013
11:24 am

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
10:55 am

“If God created all things perfect Mr. Silly pants, Adam would have picked a carrot instaed of an apple.”

And he never would have lost his first wife..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
11:24 am

if a disease arises that disproportionally affects heterosexuals

Stick figure famblies?

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
11:24 am

pedophile – a sexual attraction to children

homosexual – A person who is sexually attracted to people of their own sex

Not a lot of wiggle room there. no pun intended. Its all about sex obviously….

breckenridge

March 26th, 2013
11:24 am

Granny I cannot prove that heaven and hell exist. But I do believe in pointing out to evangelicals their hypocritical ways every chance I get.

And actually I’m not so keen the afterlife idea although I do admit to Unitarian beliefs. We Unitarians do not believe in ghosts, holy or otherwise. You won’t find us watching Celebrity Ghost Stories on Comcast channel 219.

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
11:25 am

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
11:13 am
Granny Godzilla

In fact…all of the ladies I know who have been molested have been
molested by heterosexual males.

Every one of them.

And all the boys that I’ve known of have been molested by homosexual men…
.
.
.
.
Who molested you?

Checking in after the dictator gets another 4 years

March 26th, 2013
11:26 am

Folks like to talk about how the feelings of Gay marriage is changing. Is there any surprise? Give Tony Perkins ( spokesman for the American Family) the same hundreds of hours of free air time and that main stream press and Hollywood gets promoting gay marriage, you might not see it. They can talk all the want to, but on a ballot, it loses big time.

lovelyliz

March 26th, 2013
11:26 am

If you can’t get rid of the skeleton in your closet, you’d best teach it to dance

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
11:26 am

War Eagle — “I just don’t want to be exposed to it nor do I want my kids exposed to it. I believe it is wrong.”

There are lots of things in this world that I believe are wrong, but I don’t have a say in whether or not I have to put up with them. I suggest you make your peace with the fact that there are gays ans lesbians in this world, and that they have just as much right to live their lives as you do.

And if you don’t like it, too effing bad. Grow the hell up.

“Plain and simple. Somethings I will not compromise on, so maybe I am a bigot.”

Oh, there’s no maybe about it.

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
11:26 am

Jerry Sandusky was a homosexual, Scratch?

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 26th, 2013
11:26 am

Sandusky of Penn State isn’t gay, he’s a pedophile, for sure, but not gay…

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
11:26 am

pedophiles

not homosexuals

world of difference

Same thing…

Really? You think so? Wow, you just can’t invent this type of stupid and you prove that one can’t hide it either.

So the WOMAN pedophile who molested my 8 year old nephew was a homosexual? And how did you arrive at that conclusion Edgar Einston?

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
11:26 am

You won’t find us watching Celebrity Ghost Stories on Comcast channel 219.

yeah, that’d violate the Eighth Principle.

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 26th, 2013
11:27 am

Damn, Granny…you type faster than I…I owe you a Coke!

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
11:27 am

“Same thing…”

bollocks – pedophilia has as much to do with sex as rape does

it’s about power

and subjugation

Regnad Kcin

March 26th, 2013
11:27 am

““And all the boys that I’ve known of have been molested by homosexual men…”

I only ask because I know some boys who claim they’ve never been molested. Perhaps I should introduce you, since (according to you) you’ve never met one.

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2013
11:27 am

Dave – nicely stated!

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
11:28 am

Keep Up the Good Fight!:

Sure I do… I’ve seen many story’s about female teachers molesting young boys. But I also hear about the story’s sweep under the rug about homosexual men preying on young boys to. Why the media won’t report more on this is sad…. But its their way of protecting the deviant lifestyles of the homosexual community.

lovelyliz

March 26th, 2013
11:30 am

If pork and shellfish eaters can get married, if the divorced can get remarried, by not the gays?

skipper

March 26th, 2013
11:30 am

More complicated questions are waiting…..insurance benefits, etc. I realized that the founding fathers left amendments, etc. for the Constitution for unforseen instances. However, rest assured this never entered into the fray at all.
Sounds one-sided, KUTGF, but male students “molested” by female teachers???? Ha! There is now, always has been, and always will be a difference in the sexes………folks gotta understand that. not one superior, but different mind-sets, bodies, etc.

lovelyliz

March 26th, 2013
11:31 am

In the USA, you can’t trade your daughter for 3 goats and a cow. We have already redefined marriage.

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
11:32 am

Scratch it: Did you see the link I posted earlier? It’s not too late as an adult who was molested as a child for you to get help. I feel you reaching out, all it would take is a simple call to a hotline.

Make the call. We are all here for you. We don’t want you to live in pain.

Regnad Kcin

March 26th, 2013
11:32 am

“But I also hear about the story’s sweep under the rug about homosexual men preying on young boys to”

Could you clarify, please? Perhaps provide an example? You’re not being very clear… Thanks!

TBS

March 26th, 2013
11:32 am

Scratch it

Depending on the Supreme’s decision seems you will be out of excuses as to why you are putting off marriage.

Don’t fight it any longer. You will be ok.

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
11:32 am

Fred ™

Scratch it: Your question is not accurate. The Red Cross does NOT refuse blood from homosexuals.

When you can phrase your question correctly, then PERHAPS I’ll give you information to answer it for yourself. Until then I can’t answer a lie.

You can answer it whoever you feel. That’s what lib’s do anyway…. You fruits have been bruised and battered on here today with incoherent rants with little intellectually relevant information. Its seems that we all should embrace homosexuality just because lib’s think so… Jay won’t even chime in because he knows he can’t defend the indefensible…

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
11:32 am

But I also hear about the story’s sweep under the rug about homosexual men preying on young boys to.

I hear there’s rumors on the, uh, internets.

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
11:34 am

Off topic, but………..
Is anyone else sick to death of the insipid term “Baby bump?” Look at this star with her baby bump, here’s a picture of that star with her baby bump……..AAAARRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
11:35 am

“Morality” — “I wasn’t aware”

I know. That’s your modus operandi here.

“that I was pushing my belief on you Mama – it’s most likely the other way around.”

Nope. I’ve been quite clear here over the last two years; IMO folks should be allowed to live their lives without others telling them how to behave. Since I’m telling you to live as you please, but to leave gays the hell alone, it’s clearly you that’s pushing belief onto others.

“God gives you the free will to make your own decisions.”

What you imagine your god to do or not do is irrelevant and inapplicable to me.

“It is up to you to decide what your destiny will be and no one is to blame or praise for your decision but you. That is called responsibility.”

When busybodies like you get in the way of other people doing just that, it’s called hypocrisy.

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
11:36 am

The official Red Cross question. Why do they ask these question’s?

21. Female donors: Had sexual contact with a male who has ever had sexual contact with another male?

34. Male donors: had sexual contact with another male, even once?

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
11:36 am

Fred, you must admit–It’d be kind of cool if one of those celebs actually named their baby “Bump.”

TBS

March 26th, 2013
11:36 am

Scratch it

When that closet door is taken off its hinges in that “Log Cabin”, you and your puppets will be free.

Stop the self hate and move forward.

Best of luck

JamVet

March 26th, 2013
11:37 am

Only in Iran and the GOP does homosexuality “not exist”.

The Iranian state media have shown their detest towards homosexuality on many occasions. The Iranian government believes that homosexuals are deviant individuals who have, for some reason (psychological, social or physiological) deviated from the balanced and natural human condition and need help and support to stop sinking any further into the ’swamp of immorality’. The same article claims that homosexuality is an Israeli conspiracy, without providing any evidence for such claim.

Birds of an ilky feather.

The only real difference is that we no longer let our deviant religious nutjobs murder homosexuals…

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
11:37 am

incoherent rants with little intellectually relevant information.

oh, do enlighten us, Mister “I hear about these stories the lamestream media done soo-pressed cuz of the homer-seckshul mafia but I can’t tell you nothin’…”

Regnad Kcin

March 26th, 2013
11:37 am

“Is anyone else sick to death of the insipid term “Baby bump?””

I was wondering if it was some new kind of fetish! Not that there’s anything wrong with that… :)

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
11:37 am

“Is anyone else sick to death of the insipid term “Baby bump?” Look at this star with her baby bump, here’s a picture of that star with her baby bump……..AAAARRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

blame the UK – it’s a total Brit-ism

Morality?

March 26th, 2013
11:37 am

11:11 – mm – I am not for any plan that continues to inflate the federal deficit. If Ryan’s plan inflates the deficit I am against it. The Dem’s Senate budget plan inflates the federal deficit with unfunded spending and I oppose it. I know Jay reads these comments that is why I am talking to Jay on his blog. Jay will not take up this subject because he is a PARTY LOYALIST and he cannot honestly defend this monstrosity. If you are going to add ONE TRILLION in new taxes over ten years and expand the deficit by SEVEN TRILLION that is a recipe for the destruction for the FISCAL future and security of this country. Time for a 3rd Party that is not like the Dems and Repubs who are PARTY LOYALISTS. time for a party loyal to the FISCAL security and future of the USA.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 26th, 2013
11:38 am

You fruits have been bruised and battered on here today with incoherent rants with little intellectually relevant information

Oh look our poster troll forget his BOOM of stupidity. :roll:

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2013
11:38 am

“bollocks – pedophilia has as much to do with sex as rape does
it’s about power
and subjugation”

AMEN!

JamVet

March 26th, 2013
11:38 am

Somebody tell the deviant scratcher that the Red Cross won’t take my blood either.

(It’s because of my abnormal Thrombolin-3 deficiency lifestyle!)

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
11:38 am

TBS

Scratch it

Depending on the Supreme’s decision seems you will be out of excuses as to why you are putting off marriage.

Don’t fight it any longer. You will be ok.

Typical lib response. When you can’t debate an issue you mock and stereotype.. You people are so sad. Now wipe that foam off your keyboard and try again….

The Sophist-icated Republican

March 26th, 2013
11:39 am

Natural Law!

Probably more of those “feel good” words brought to the GOP base via Luntz study groups.

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
11:39 am

JamVet

Somebody tell the deviant scratcher that the Red Cross won’t take my blood either.

(It’s because of my abnormal Thrombolin-3 deficiency lifestyle!)

Why won’t they take it? What does that mean?

Christopher

March 26th, 2013
11:39 am

I want to be judged by the content of my character, not with whom I live my life. I have been in a loving, stable relationship with a wonderful man for the past 16 years. All I want out of life is to be left alone & able to live in peace. It is no one elses business with whom I share my life with. I respect the opinions of those who disagree and urge those to express their opinions in a civilized manner, unlike many gay groups out there today. I do not understand the parades and pride events held yearly. How does that help us who want just to live our lives? Marriage would be a non-issue for me if not for the many benefits not alloted me & my partner, even though we pay our taxes, don’t rely on gov’t handouts and keep our P’Tree City home nice and neat.

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
11:40 am

Oh look our poster troll forget his BOOM of stupidity.

He left it in his speedo with his roll of socks he uses for stuffing.

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
11:40 am

“Oh look our poster troll forget his BOOM of stupidity.”

is that what it is?

I always thought it was the sound of another turd hitting bottom

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
11:40 am

JamVet — “Somebody tell the deviant scratcher that the Red Cross won’t take my blood either.”

Nor mine.

Regnad Kcin

March 26th, 2013
11:40 am

” Now wipe that foam off your keyboard and try again….”

Wait – NOW I know who scratch it is!

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
11:41 am

Keep Up the Good Fight!

You fruits have been bruised and battered on here today with incoherent rants with little intellectually relevant information

Oh look our poster troll forget his BOOM of stupidity.

You receive the same response because it surly fits for you also…

Typical lib response. When you can’t debate an issue you mock and stereotype.. You people are so sad. Now wipe that foam off your keyboard and try again…

DebbieDoRight - today’s con wants to privatize the public & publicize your privates

March 26th, 2013
11:41 am

Man! there are a lot of “sickos” on here today! OK Let me roll up my sleeves……(Oh and Hiya St. Simon!! I’m still using your “borrowed” witty phrases. Since you’re using them too, I may have to change it back to something else!):
=========================
Wow Jamvet, that changes everything, rump rangers have been around 4000 years, So What ! Would you be here if hetros decided to become homos ? You want to talk about un-natural and then want us to think to men humping each other is natural ?

Im sure, as a matter of fact I can probably bet the farm on this, Jam could care LESS what you think! He is SOOO over you right about now! Sorry. :cry:

==========================

War EAgle: Blacks did not want separate but equal, yet they have their own TV network, their own organizations, their own Basketball League and own holidays. Yet if a White TV or org popped up, they would be protesting to beat the devil. Now, who is to say that a gay couple would not adopt a straight kid and teach him the customs of Gay ism? In fact turning him Gay? Just wondering how any one can be in love with someone with the same genitals.

First off WE let me ask, are you TrishaDisha? If so, your ignorant rant could be explained.

Secondly, PLEASE loose the WarEagle name — no one as ummmmmm “special” as you should besmirch the name of a fine school by even BREATHING on it, let alone using it on a blog.

Thirdly, everything you said up there is really disturbing. I have the feeling that you are so far in the closet that you’re scared to come out for fear that you may become the grand master of the Gay Parades you profess to detest.

WE: yet they have their own TV network, their own organizations, their own Basketball League and own holidays

OMG get over it already!! It’s done! MOVE THE EFF ON!! This is what I can’t understand about some racial purists – they are forever complaining that blacks are lazy, shiftless, blahblahblahblahblah…….yet let a black person get ONE TV NETWORK that they worked hard for and funded with the helpof OTHER BLACKS, and here comes the whining…………. Pathetic.

WE: Now, who is to say that a gay couple would not adopt a straight kid and teach him the customs of Gay ism?

You found out about the Gay Customs!! DANGIT!! Who Told?!? I bet it was Granny! She’s too sweet and kind and gentle to be on this blog!!!

WE: Just wondering how any one can be in love with someone with the same genitals

When you come out of the closet, finally, perhaps you can answer that question for yourself………..

Regnad Kcin

March 26th, 2013
11:41 am

“Wait – NOW I know who scratch it is!’

But, then, I’ve always been slow…

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2013
11:41 am

“Nor mine”

Nor mine

Morality?

March 26th, 2013
11:43 am

Fred ™ – “baby bump” – I was just thinking about that term this morning – almost sounds dirty.

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
11:43 am

Not a single question has been answered that I have asked. Only personal attacks and Jay just simply lets it go on and on. Get control of your flock jay or perhaps your alter ego’s. If only I knew why the Red Cross won’t take the blood of homosexuals we could move on.

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
11:43 am

“WE: Just wondering how any one can be in love with someone with the same genitals

When you come out of the closet, finally, perhaps you can answer that question for yourself………..”

yes. I’m sure he thinks EXACTLY that question everytime he sees girl-on-girl action during Game of Thrones

TBS

March 26th, 2013
11:44 am

Scratch

Your self hate is not healthy…

Again, best of luck as you and your puppets rehearse the Dianna Ross song “I’m coming out”

And REO Speedwagons” “I can’t fight his feeling any longer”

You guys are going to put on a great show…

Regnad Kcin

March 26th, 2013
11:44 am

“baby bump”

Soon to be on Youtube. “Everybody do the baby bump!”

Matt321

March 26th, 2013
11:44 am

Alright, gay folks, give it up. So you showed that it’s laughable that gay marriage somehow offends “natural law.” You pointed out how insulting, ridiculous, and illogical it is to compare homosexuality to pedophelia or bestiality. And we all know that there is no such thing as “traditional” marriage, since marriage has been a fluid concept throughout its existence. Alright, fine.

But when you want to give blood, not only does the Red Cross ask if you’ve ever gotten a tattoo, they also ask if you’ve ever been connected to teh gayz. Also, you’re making War Eagle have uncomfortable fantasies about hard male flesh. Time to close it up. Between the force of a Red Cross questionnaire (which I wouldn’t be surprised is invented or outdated, but go with it), and War Eagle’s mirror fantasies, what can be said? We wouldn’t want to make anyone uncomfortable, after all.

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
11:45 am

“If only I knew why the Red Cross won’t take the blood of homosexuals we could move on.”

gays can’t.

IV drug users can’t

prostitutes can’t

people who have risky sex can’t

get your head out of your butt.

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
11:46 am

“Soon to be on Youtube. “Everybody do the baby bump!””

dammit.

now, I have the song from Harlem Shake in my head.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 26th, 2013
11:46 am

I>If only I knew why the Red Cross won’t take the blood of homosexuals we could move on

If you only had a half a brain to click on the link I provided previously that you obviously read because you had an inane response to the 2d half. My suggestion is that you consider more straw and hope that the wizard will give you the brain you clearly fail to use when posting.

St Simons- Cons - privatizimg the public & publicizing your privates since 1980

March 26th, 2013
11:46 am

Cons! Rally round the Constertushion!

except that part about Equal Protection guaranteed.
and that part about privacy, that too..

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
11:47 am

Matt321 — “Also, you’re making War Eagle have uncomfortable fantasies about hard male flesh.”

I wouldn’t be surprised if War Eagle starts tweetin’ like a turtledove at the thought of stroking a summer sausage. And I’m not talking about any delicatessen, either.

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
11:48 am

If only I knew why the Red Cross won’t take the blood of homosexuals we could move on.

You repeating a lie doesn’t make it true boomy in the real world. Only in talk radio FOXBOT land does repeating a lie get folks to believe it.

You ask a REAL question you can get an answer. You ask a lie and you get nothing.

You still beating up your boyfriend every morning?

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 26th, 2013
11:48 am

I know the Red Cross wouldn’t take my blood for five years after I got out of ‘Nam, even though I am a universal donor (O+). I has tested positive for malaria, I know the Red Cross does care what they take from whom.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 26th, 2013
11:48 am

Not a single question has been answered that I have asked.

Of course they have.

You merely didn’t like the answers.

World of difference between the two.

Sport.

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
11:50 am

girl-on-girl action during Game of Thrones

I never noticed that. Is it why YOU watch it? :lol:

Seriously though, it’s back on Sunday. Have you read the books? If not you wanna know who dies and who lives? :evil:

Morality?

March 26th, 2013
11:51 am

Red Cross – they wouldn’t take my blood either because , after losing my wife to cancer, I was briefly on mood drugs for anxiety as prescribed by a stupid doctor. I weaned myself off of the pills and never returned to the quack. Someone asked me “How do you get over losing your wife” – you don’t you just get used to it.

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 26th, 2013
11:51 am

In the USA, you can’t trade your daughter for 3 goats and a cow.

I don’t know about the whole country, but I couldn’t get nearly that much for mine. In fact I had to sweeten the deal with a couple of good laying hens.

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
11:52 am

Normal – if the mister and I ever move back to the states, they won’t take my blood, either

so, I’ll add that to the list – gay … prostitute … IV drug user … people who lived in the UK for more than 6 months …

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
11:53 am

Morality – surely they’ll take your blood after a number of months -

by golly

March 26th, 2013
11:53 am

St. Simons-can you recommend Southern Soul BBQ? A friend sent me a link.

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
11:54 am

TBS; I can’t fight this feeling anymore? Really? You no good rotten #$%^*&$*@ that song is an earworm and NOW I can’t get it out of my head. It’s the WORST kind of earworm. One so bad you don’t actually have to HEAR it for it to invade.

You are SO in trouble pal. I’m sending Brocephus your way to administer a beat down.

by golly

March 26th, 2013
11:54 am

WAIT-so Scratch It=Christian Conservative=Thulsa Doom????

I am so slow.

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
11:54 am

Fred – 11:50 – I watch because I’ve been a Peter Dinklage fan since The Station Agent :-)

the mister watches for the zombies

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
11:55 am

When you can’t debate an issue you mock and stereotype

Oh, Mister Butthurt is pretending he’s in a “debate” now, is he? I bet you’ve got a great, heroic story to tell over at whatever-other right wing site you hang out at (or maybe it’s just your FB friends, or suchlike), how you done KILLED them liberals over at Jay’s with your devastating “what about the HOMOSEXUAL BLOOD HUH??” parries and thrusts.

and if I’m wrong, well damn. I don’t know what the point of your idiotic trolling would be, if you can’t at least brag about it to like minded a-holes.

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
11:55 am

“Scratch It=Christian Conservative=Thulsa Doom”

new name: scratch-n-sniff-doom

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 26th, 2013
11:55 am

It’s the WORST kind of earworm. One so bad you don’t actually have to HEAR it for it to invade

You mean like “I think I love you” by the Partridge Family. :P >)

by golly

March 26th, 2013
11:56 am

Fred-the number one cure for an ear worm is God Save the Queen. I promise. Sing to yourself of course.

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
11:56 am

USinUK … donde esta SPRING!!!???:

Why can’t they give… I want an answer. Not more examples. Tell me why you think they can’t give…

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2013
11:56 am

“USinUK … donde esta SPRING!!!???”

How long do you think it’ll be before it’s decided to move the first day of spring to April 1st?

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
11:57 am

by golly: Ever since I got my green egg I hate to pay for BBQ, but I love to go to BBQ places for their sides, ESPECIALLY the brunswick stew. That place has a nice looking menu. Let me know how it is if you don’t hear from St. Simons.

Morality?

March 26th, 2013
11:57 am

Did you know that if you go to a lab to get your blood type that they will charge you around $300.00 but if you give blood to Red Cross they will do it free?

Vashtai

March 26th, 2013
11:57 am

I too believe SCOTUS will punt the Prop 8 case and rule the proponents don’t have standing. I also believe they will strike down DOMA. Then, one by one, lawsuits will be filed in each of the 31 states that now ban marriage, citing the 14th amendment. Once the 1st case makes it to SCOTUS, they will be forced to invalidate each state’s ban on marriage equality. So, we continue to wait to prove all men are really created equal.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 26th, 2013
11:57 am

Fred

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0R7wF5oheI

Guaranteed to rid you of the REO earworm.

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
11:58 am

You poor poor souls. Can’t answer a simple question… I love dominating Jay’s blog… LOL…

Regnad Kcin

March 26th, 2013
11:58 am

“Have you read the books”

I read the first couple – but got tired of waiting for something GOOD to happen to somebody.

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2013
11:58 am

“Can’t answer a simple question”

I refer you to the dictionary to learn the diffeernce between “can’t” and “won’t”

Gale

March 26th, 2013
11:59 am

Scratch it. They are not answering because they don’t feed trolls.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
12:00 pm

Scratch It — “I love dominating Jay’s blog…”

I knew you were a leather daddy.

Jefferson

March 26th, 2013
12:01 pm

The question to answer is not if you approve or disapprove, that’s a circle jerk.

The question is how does a civilized society deal with the issue, its not going away.

Morality?

March 26th, 2013
12:02 pm

11:53 – USinUK – It has been 5 + years so, yes, maybe the Red Cross will take my blood now and I am thinking about going back.

Regnad Kcin

March 26th, 2013
12:02 pm

“Ever since I got my green egg ”

I’ve been meaning to ask – is the egg better than my Weber? I am doubtful – please explain.

DebbieDoRight - Proud Best Friend Of A Feminazi Lesbo

March 26th, 2013
12:02 pm

Not a single question has been answered that I have asked. Only personal attacks and Jay just simply lets it go on and on. Get control of your flock jay or perhaps your alter ego’s. If only I knew why the Red Cross won’t take the blood of homosexuals we could move on.

They DO take homosexual blood. They ask the question sure, but they don’t turn down the blood. What they do is TEST IT for any abnormalities.

The same is asked from someone who has had or been around anyone with TBs, (because they test positive too); they’ll take the blood, run tests on it, and either use it OR study it.

How do you think Hematologists get their “study” projects?

Don Abernethy

March 26th, 2013
12:02 pm

No matter what YOU say GOD will have the final answer and it is written today for you to read. It’s called the Bible in case you have never been introduced to it. Apparently there is no way anyone can convince some of you that God means what He says on this subject.

Escaped from Email Purgatory

March 26th, 2013
12:02 pm

Girl-on-girl action is different. A woman’s body is Nature’s most perfect creation, and two women gettin’ busy is to voyeurism what the NFL is to TV. OK, bad metaphor.

Dude-on-dude action doesn’t lend itself to mainstream sexual entertainment. It has a combative quality about it. Plus, there’s there’s so much hair.

“How do I know?” you may ask? Even if you don’t ask, I’ll tell you anyway. I saw an episode of Real Sex on HBO one night about gay porn. Plus, who among us hasn’t been victimized by what pops up as a result of a perfectly innocent Google search?

And it brings back memories of 8th grade PE and wrestling. Too close for comfort.

Maybe that’s just me.

And I always wondered – Bookman, perhaps you can answer this. If two chicks are lesbians, more power to them. But how come then, some feel the need to avail themselves of a phallus?

Sure, straying slightly off topic may make some uncomfortable, but if we can’t discuss stuff like this on a blog, then where?

Penthouse Forum? OK. Point taken.

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

March 26th, 2013
12:03 pm

Why can’t they give… I want an answer. Not more examples. Tell me why you think they can’t give…

The American Red Cross has for many years faced criticism from LGBT advocacy organizations for prohibiting men who have sex with men from donating blood. This policy is in fact a requirement for all blood collection companies and organizations in the United States, as outlined by the US Food and Drug Administration. Specifically, the FDA classifies “Men who have had sex with another man even one time since 1977… Unsuitable Donors who Are at Increased Risk for HIV”.[48] Consequently, the American Red Cross is legally unable to collect blood from men who have sex with men. The organization in 2006, along with the AABB and America’s Blood Centers, petitioned to the FDA to remove the requirement from blood donations, citing better screening technologies.[49][50] Despite the petition, the FDA has yet to reverse its stance on the issue.

What that has to do with Gay men getting married I have no idea.

And with the advanced screening tech the ban will go away soon enough.

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
12:03 pm

Gale

Scratch it. They are not answering because they don’t feed trolls.

But they are acknowledging and proving their ignorance… LOL… That means you to Sport…

TBS

March 26th, 2013
12:03 pm

“I knew you were a leather daddy.”

Sratch it

Is this you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J9zyviTTmQ

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
12:03 pm

USinUK: First off, quit feeding the troll. NO WHERE in ANY PUBLICATION does the Red Cross say that homosexuals cant’ give blood. His question is a lie. Quit feeding him please. Make him ACCURATELY form a query.

Second off: I didn’t know who Peter Dinklage was. I was about to say my two favorites are Arya Stark and Tyrion Lannister. LOl ThenI googled ans saw that Tyrion IS Peter.

How did he not get an award for the show? He is SO awesome. Unlike every other character, when I read the books I saw his face and heard his voice. He is SO MUCH that character.

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2013
12:03 pm

“It’s called the Bible in case you have never been introduced to it.”

The Bible does not equal the Constitution. It is the Constitution that is the final word.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 26th, 2013
12:04 pm

I love dominating Jay’s blog

Winning! from the clown who does not comprehend HIV risk. Homosexuals can give blood, those with HIV risk cannot.

This has been another episode of repeatedly answering a buffoonish posters repeated post of stupidity. :lol:

I bet even the children from Westboro church could do better than our troll.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 26th, 2013
12:04 pm

I’ve been meaning to ask – is the egg better than my Weber?

Probably, but the cheapest egg I’ve seen is still over $400.

Morality?

March 26th, 2013
12:05 pm

Scratch It – Why don’t you just go ahead and tell us why the Red Cross won’t accept blood from homosexuals – know you just need permission. Go ahead and get the burden off of your mind.

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

March 26th, 2013
12:05 pm

No matter what YOU say GOD will have the final answer and it is written today for you to read. It’s called the Bible in case you have never been introduced to it. Apparently there is no way anyone can convince some of you that God means what He says on this subject.

When does the rattlesnake rodeo begin ?

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
12:05 pm

Its also alarming how the statistics show the radical increase in other std’s in the homosexual community. Yet we as a society need to prop up this lifestyle. Go figure… They must be a bunch of homophobes over there at the cdc…

http://www.cdc.gov/msmhealth/STD.htm

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 26th, 2013
12:06 pm

USinUK … donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
11:55 am

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Welcome to the Occupation

March 26th, 2013
12:06 pm

Jefferson: “The question is how does a civilized society deal with the issue, its not going away.”

I completely agree that it’s not going away, unlike the liberals.

However, so-called “traditional marriage” and morals is dead, never to return.

So what is your thinking on a way forward?

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2013
12:07 pm

“Its also alarming how the statistics show the radical increase in other std’s in the homosexual community. Yet we as a society need to prop up this lifestyle.”

It’s also alarming how the statistics show the radical increase in obesity in the heterosexual community. Yet we as a society need to prop up this lifestyle.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
12:07 pm

D. Abernethy — “No matter what YOU say GOD will have the final answer”

I don’t answer to you or to your supposed “god.”

“and it is written today for you to read.”

Been there, done that. Don’t assume that reading it automatically means agreeing with it.

“It’s called the Bible in case you have never been introduced to it.”

Just FYI, your bible leads lots of people AWAY from theism. In fact, I’d venture to say that most adult atheists are *quite* familiar with the content of your holy book, despite what you might believe to the contrary.

“Apparently there is no way anyone can convince some of you that God means what He says on this subject.”

There is no way you’re going to convince me that your god even exists, let alone that I’m subject to the deity of a religion I don’t even subscribe to.

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
12:07 pm

Men who have sex with men are 17 times more likely to develop anal cancer than heterosexual men.

And guess who has to pay for this treatment?

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
12:08 pm

Doggone/GA
“Its also alarming how the statistics show the radical increase in other std’s in the homosexual community. Yet we as a society need to prop up this lifestyle.”

It’s also alarming how the statistics show the radical increase in obesity in the heterosexual community. Yet we as a society need to prop up this lifestyle.

MA Michele and Mayor Bloomy says what?

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 26th, 2013
12:09 pm

Y’all,
Scratchy sure does set himself up, doesn’t he?

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2013
12:09 pm

“And guess who has to pay for this treatment?”

the same people who pay for the same treatment in hetersexual men?

Morality?

March 26th, 2013
12:10 pm

“The Constitution is the final word”……… if that is what you believe than you better pray that you are right.

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
12:10 pm

scratch-n-sniff doom

http://www.redcrossblood.org/donating-blood/eligibility-requirements/eligibility-criteria-topic#lifestyle

there – the red cross list of who can / who can’t.

tattoo within the last 12 months? nope.
just gave birth? nope (not for 6 months)
syphilis? nope (not for 12 mos after completion of treatment)
travel to places with malaria? nope (not for 3 years)
travel to places with “mad cow”? nope – nevermore.

why? spread of diseases.

guy

March 26th, 2013
12:11 pm

God did not create gays,lesbians,drug addicts,prostitutes,habitual gamblers,thieves,murderers,liars,sexual abusers,gossipers,drunks,etc. Man makes those choices. We are all insane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tom Middleton

March 26th, 2013
12:11 pm

Yes to ALL those marrying to pursue life to its infinite end – the totality (God) if you will. For without such a starting point and vow of ultimate unity, life will become old and stale and God an elusive dream! :)

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 26th, 2013
12:11 pm

Don Abernethy

March 26th, 2013
12:02 pm

Bull Puck…

Cosby

March 26th, 2013
12:11 pm

the issue before the Supreme Court is only the beginning..the movement to destroy marriage for if they acknowledge Gay’s to marry..then sodomy, incest and others become legal as well…so the continued deteoriation of society continues with another special interest group having more rights than others..those poor darlings…spreading AID’s like wild fire.

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
12:12 pm

You know, I mocked you repeatedly over this assertion:

The media sweeps under the rug many child molestation’s because it may offend the homosexual community.

and since you’ve been a 24-carat dipsh-t since then with your stupid “Ah STILL DUNNO ‘BOUT HOMERSECKSHULL BLOOD”, I’m calling you out.

Name the “many child molestation’s” you speak of. Ok, forget “many.” Name two.

Tell us where you heard about them. Cite, please.

Come on, “Scratch it.” I say you’re a liar. Prove me wrong.

DebbieDoRight - Proud Best Friend Of A Feminazi Lesbo

March 26th, 2013
12:12 pm

And guess who has to pay for this treatment?

OMG I see it now — classic Doomism!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 26th, 2013
12:13 pm

Man makes those choices.

So, when exactly did you decide to be hetero?

Morality?

March 26th, 2013
12:13 pm

Who says anyone is going to pay for that treatment – just add it to the federal deficit.

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2013
12:13 pm

““The Constitution is the final word”……… if that is what you believe than you better pray that you are right”

The bible is not our defining legal document. I don’t have to pray to know I’m right about that.

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
12:13 pm

“And guess who has to pay for this treatment?”

wow. the US went single-payer and I missed it???

Regnad Kcin

March 26th, 2013
12:14 pm

“God did not create gays,lesbians,drug addicts,prostitutes,habitual gamblers,thieves,murderers,liars,sexual abusers,gossipers,drunks,etc. Man makes those choices”

Sounds like your god needs to man up and take responsibility for his actions. If a carpenter makes a house, and it falls down, is it not the carpenter’s fault?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 26th, 2013
12:14 pm

..then sodomy, incest and others become legal as well…

You omitted zoophilia there, sport.

Morality?

March 26th, 2013
12:14 pm

y’all have a NICE DAY (smiley face patent applied for)

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
12:15 pm

“The bible is not our defining legal document”

thank god.

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
12:15 pm

And with the advanced screening tech the ban will go away soon enough.

Not unless they discovered something since yesterday. One of the biggest problems with HIV (not to be confused with AIDS as the dummies do) is that is a lentovirus, there is a long time period between infection and when it becomes symptomatic, develops into illness and then death. During the long period one can infect many and not know it.

It also persists for life.

But so far they don’t have a test that will tell you if you have it or not definitively. Well actually tell you if you DON’T have it definitively.

How do I know: Why I have been learning from the top experts in the field, such as Dr. James Curran. Let me spam this again for any who are interested in actually LEARNING: https://www.coursera.org/courses?search=AIDS

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2013
12:15 pm

“the movement to destroy marriage for if they acknowledge Gay’s to marry”

How does the gay couple down the street “destroy” YOUR marriage? We ask that over and over, and NO ONE ever has an answer.

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2013
12:16 pm

“thank god.”

Amen!

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 26th, 2013
12:16 pm

Scratch It,

on Stands 1212…yeah, I want to see your proof too. Come on, show us.

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
12:17 pm

Morality?

Scratch It – Why don’t you just go ahead and tell us why the Red Cross won’t accept blood from homosexuals – know you just need permission. Go ahead and get the burden off of your mind.

I’m glad you asked. Finally a lib that wants facts. The reason is because its a dangerous lifestyle and the Red Cross obviously knows this. Its also a serious safety issue because infected blood could give some unsuspecting recipient aids/hiv. Which of course has happened. But my point is if even the gubmint admits this lifestyle is dangerous why should we as a society help fuel the activity by giving it the title of marriage. By forcing teachers to teach kids its ok. By forcing business’s to support the repulsive cause. I honestly have no problem with someone being homosexual. I know some and will actually speck to them when I see them. But giving them credence as if their behavior is normal is not something I will ever support.

Now you libs talk amoungest yourselves while I go to lunch. I’m sure I’ll see a homosexual there because one works at the diner I frequent. And we always have a pleasant exchange..

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
12:18 pm

“I know some and will actually speck to them when I see them”

wow.

I mean, just.

wow.

what a dick

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 26th, 2013
12:18 pm

What do medical costs and issues have to do with equality?

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
12:19 pm

Cosby — “..the movement to destroy marriage for if they acknowledge Gay’s to marry..”

Newt Gingrich and his wife-tossing ways have done more damage to marriage than any gay couple in history.

If you want me to buy into your ‘defending traditional marriage’ bullspit, then outlaw divorce. IMMEDIATELY.

Then I might start to believe you.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 26th, 2013
12:19 pm

If a carpenter makes a house, and it falls down, is it not the carpenter’s fault?

Not if the problem was faulty concrete.

breckenridge

March 26th, 2013
12:20 pm

Morality,

I’ve been reading a considerable amount of Puritan history of late – Roger Williams, Anne Hutchinson, Mary Dyer, the witch trials, and so forth. A quick summation; most of the Puritans were good, although somewhat naive, people. It was the leadership that was garbage, starting with John Winthrop. And in that respect the Puritans were much like the Southern Baptist church of today.

Welcome to the Occupation

March 26th, 2013
12:20 pm

“Men who have sex with men are 17 times more likely to develop anal cancer than heterosexual men. ”

Citations please.

/sigh

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 26th, 2013
12:21 pm

Scratchy at 1217,

I don’t know why I try, but yes, in the beginning, before much was understood about AIDS, blood, mostly from Haiti did get into the blood backs while infected…since then hardly ever if at all…now having said that, I gotta ask…you said,
“I’m sure I’ll see a homosexual there because one works at the diner I frequent. And we always have a pleasant exchange..”

I ask, exchange of what? wink, wink… ;) ;)

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 26th, 2013
12:21 pm

I’m sure I’ll see a homosexual there because one works at the diner I frequent

What if they spit in your food?

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
12:21 pm

“If you want me to buy into your ‘defending traditional marriage’ bullspit, then outlaw divorce. IMMEDIATELY.”

and put in a requirement to have children, since – according to the man+woman proponents – that is why people get married in the first place.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
12:21 pm

Scratch It — ” I’m sure I’ll see a homosexual there because one works at the diner I frequent. And we always have a pleasant exchange..”

It’s because he knows you’re closeted and curious.

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2013
12:23 pm

“A quick summation; most of the Puritans were good, although somewhat naive, people. It was the leadership that was garbage, starting with John Winthrop”

those kind of fanatical groups ALWAYS depend on people foolish enough to “do as I say, not as I do” – and ignore that their leaders don’t follow their own “advice”

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 26th, 2013
12:23 pm

Again, the Red Cross will accept blood from homosexuals despite the buffoonish lies. They will not accept blood from those at risk with HIV. There is a difference to those who can think.

by golly

March 26th, 2013
12:23 pm

Please don’t feed our troll any more. We all can take joy in knowing the gay server at his diner runs his lettuce through the toilet water first.

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
12:24 pm

I’ve been meaning to ask – is the egg better than my Weber? I am doubtful – please explain.

There is no comparison. I say this as a former happy weber guy. I still have my weber. It has done NOTHING since I get the egg. The Weber is actually a very cheap immitation of the egg, which is a very good imitation of the Hibachi pot, which has been used in Japan and china for 1000,s of years.

Can you cook/smoke a boston butt in your weber at 180 degrees for 12 hours MAINTAINING that temperature the whole time? Can you Cook a ribeye at 550 degrees on your weber? How about bake a pizza at 750 degrees? Can you bake bread on your Weber?

Your question is like asking if a NASCAR stock car is as good for racing as ago cart at a local fair. :lol:

Escaped from Email Purgatory

March 26th, 2013
12:25 pm

“Citations [statistical data on incidents of anal cancer in gay men] please.”

Yes. Please. You can’t talk too much about freaking anus cancer.

Until that conversation picks up steam, I’ll be in my workshop pressing my scrotum in the vice on my workbench.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
12:27 pm

E.E. Purgatory — “Until that conversation picks up steam, I’ll be in my workshop pressing my scrotum in the vice on my workbench.”

I hope that project is over quickly! :)

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
12:27 pm

How about bake a pizza at 750 degrees? Can you bake bread on your Weber?

Not sure why I’d want to, but otherwise, point made.

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
12:29 pm

Morality?

Scratch It – Why don’t you just go ahead and tell us why the Red Cross won’t accept blood from homosexuals – know you just need permission. Go ahead and get the burden off of your mind.

I’m glad you asked. Finally a lib that wants facts.
+++++++++++++++++++++

LOL now the troll is calling Morality? a “lib.”

There is no limit to the stupid of this guy.

BuckWheat

March 26th, 2013
12:31 pm

Worshipping at the altar of the gods of tolerance, diversity and social justice will lead to our hastened demise but we will feel so much better about ourselves. Keep up the distractions we are almost there.

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2013
12:33 pm

“LOL now the troll is calling Morality? a “lib.””

and he STILL hasn’t answered the question of what the Red Cross policies have to do with gays getting married!

Escaped from Email Purgatory

March 26th, 2013
12:33 pm

JHM –
Best laugh I’ve had in quite a while.

You and me both [hope the project is a brief one] by the way.

breckenridge

March 26th, 2013
12:33 pm

“those kind of fanatical groups ALWAYS depend on people foolish enough to “do as I say, not as I do” – and ignore that their leaders don’t follow their own “advice”

And Bostonian Mary Dyer had the audacity to become a Quaker. Unlike Roger Williams and Anne Hutchinson, who were evicted from Massachusetts, Mary Dyer was hanged.

Isn’t it ironic? The Puritans left England to escape religious persecution only to set up shop here and practice religious prosecution.

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 26th, 2013
12:34 pm

Keep: I don’t understand your 12:23 point.

From the Red Cross website:

You should not give blood if you have AIDS or have ever had a positive HIV test, or if you have done something that puts you at risk for becoming infected with HIV.

You are at risk for getting infected if you:
have ever used needles to take drugs, steroids, or anything not prescribed by your doctor

are a male who has had sexual contact with another male, even once, since 1977

have ever taken money, drugs or other payment for sex since 1977

have had sexual contact in the past 12 months with anyone described above

It doesn’t say they won’t accept, just that you shouldn’t donate.

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
12:34 pm

“Worshipping at the altar of the gods of tolerance, diversity and social justice will lead to our hastened demise”

yes, because worshiping at the altar of bigotry, purity and might=right has done SO much for societies in the past

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
12:34 pm

Not sure why I’d want to, but otherwise, point made.

Because the “best” pizza’s are baked in brick ovens at over 700 degrees?

http://tinyurl.com/cu883qx

Class of '98

March 26th, 2013
12:34 pm

It’s a shame Mother Nature is on the wrong side of history on this. Not letting homosexuals procreate? What a bigot that lady is.

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
12:35 pm

Why spend 400 when you can get an authentic Hibachi Pot for fifteen bucks?

http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59149

(Ok, I don’t imagine this happens very often.)

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
12:35 pm

Fred

Oh the green egg and a beef brisket ……….

soooo good!

Erwin's cat

March 26th, 2013
12:36 pm

So, when exactly did you decide to be hetero?

I’m pretty sure it was the Farah Fawcett poster of her in her red bathing suite that sealed the deal

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
12:36 pm

Because the “best” pizza’s are baked in brick ovens at over 700 degrees?

Actually, soon as I posted that, I realized I really should’ve stuck to the bit about baking bread. And now that I’ve thought about it, I can see how you could work that into meal prep pretty easily.

so, withdrawn.

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2013
12:36 pm

“Isn’t it ironic? The Puritans left England to escape religious persecution only to set up shop here and practice religious prosecution”

Actually, no…and actually, they didn’t. They left because they were unable to FORCE their form of beliefs on the rest of England. And it wasn’t for lack of trying.

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
12:37 pm

Not letting homosexuals procreate?

If that were the case, surely they would’ve died out many moons ago.

Erwin's cat

March 26th, 2013
12:38 pm

Because the “best” pizza’s are baked in brick ovens at over 700 degrees?

I’ve considered building one

guy

March 26th, 2013
12:38 pm

USinUk, The Bible may not be the legal document we want it to be but it is the truth. Man’s law is temporary. We are free to live by any law we desire,right or wrong! People’s choice! When we die, then we will know who was right and who was wrong. ??????????????????

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
12:38 pm

“I’m pretty sure it was the Farah Fawcett poster of her in her red bathing suite that sealed the deal”

:lol: and the Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition?

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2013
12:39 pm

“Not letting homosexuals procreate? What a bigot that lady is.”

What makes you think they can’t procreate?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 26th, 2013
12:39 pm

godless, a 18 yr old homosexual male who is a virgin may donate freely. An elderly homosexual male whose partner passed pre-1977 and who has not had sexual contact with another male may donate freely. A 22 yr old straight male who is raped by a man or who “experiments” once with a male may NOT donate because they have been “at risk”. It is not the sexual orientation of the person, it is the activity.

Welcome to the Occupation

March 26th, 2013
12:39 pm

“I’m sure I’ll see a homosexual there because one works at the diner I frequent. And we always have a pleasant exchange”

Stick with it Scratch! (No pun intended.) Who knows, you might find yourself in the sack with him before you know it.

Don’t worry, you don’t have to share all the “gory details” with us if that happens. :)

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
12:40 pm

Ganny: I have not yet. I look at a brisket as a higher art form that I am not yet ready for lol.

dB; Good luck on that hibachi pot. They usually don’t move well as they are made of clay. Growing up we had 2 that my dad brought back on a C130 from Japan. (He brought me back from there too lol, but not on the same plane). Everyone said they wouldn’t survive the move but they survived it and 30 more years of Air Force moves. Then my sister stole them both (one wasn’t good enough for her) and has moved them around several times. Last I heard they were still alive.

But the Egg is better than the hibachi since it is made of space age ceramics which hold in the heat better. Even at 750 degrees, you can touch the outside of the Green egg with your bare hands.

Peadawg

March 26th, 2013
12:40 pm

Has anyone used the “gays can’t procreate” argument yet?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 26th, 2013
12:40 pm

I’m pretty sure it was the Farah Fawcett poster of her in her red bathing suite that sealed the deal

For me, it was Rachel Tejada in One Million Years B.C.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 26th, 2013
12:41 pm

I’m pretty sure it was the Farah Fawcett poster of her in her red bathing suite that sealed the deal

The trick was holding it up with one hand. ;)

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 26th, 2013
12:41 pm

“Men who have sex with men are 17 times more likely to develop anal cancer than heterosexual men. ”

…and men who wipe their arses with corn cobs 100 times less likely to have hemrhoids

Arbeit Macht Frei - Albtraum Liberal

March 26th, 2013
12:41 pm

Keep dreaming Jaytard on Georgia changing its view on gay marriage ain’t gonna happen in your short overweight lifetime.

It’s simple a simple law of physics or chemistry (but I doubt Bookt@rds have been in a physics or science class), opposites bond together. It was not meant for man to bond to man or female to female. It is not the natural way of things. Name one verified example of gay behavior in the animal world. (Documented – I know it is hard for you libs to actually provide proof over feeling)

And to the dim-wit in the UK, it’s cold global warming…..oooh wait, climate change….oooh wait….Brits, who are one of the main purveyors of the global warming scam deserve what they are getting. Too bad it’s affecting the more conservative northerners as opposed the cess pool once known as London. John Beddington is an ignorant wanker, he couldn’t even quote hard data on the BBC this morning – he’s just shouting the CO2 mantra, yet last year he was predicted a mild winter due to warming.

Jefferson

March 26th, 2013
12:41 pm

Who pays for the bad diet choice many Americans make ?

With some people everything goes back to money.

How society deal with the issue can’t be decided by referendum. The decision has to be made based on the rules of freedom, in the case of the US — the constitution. We have men and women in robes that are supposed to be trained on this document, they will have the their say. Either way, somebody is going to cry and somebody will jump for joy, And it won’t go away either way.

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
12:42 pm

“The Bible may not be the legal document we want it to be but it is the truth.”

the Bible is nothing more than myths and stories that have been passed down – just because you BELIEVE them to be true doesn’t MAKE them true.

JamVet

March 26th, 2013
12:42 pm

Buckmeat, the demise of you and your gods is well underway. Stay intolerant and expedite the inevitable…

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
12:43 pm

Oh and dB? On the bread thing? I haven’t YET, but I’m going to bake USinUK’s Maneesh and/or Ciabatta on my egg:

Maneesh: http://redskitchendiaries.wordpress.com/2013/03/18/maneesh/

Caibatta: http://redskitchendiaries.wordpress.com/2012/10/07/ciabatta/

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 26th, 2013
12:44 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 26th, 2013
12:40 pm

I go back a ways, but for me it was Marilyn Monroe…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Krl_pXXfKEI

Erwin's cat

March 26th, 2013
12:44 pm

For me, it was Rachel Tejada in One Million Years B.C

I always thought that was Raquel Welch

by golly

March 26th, 2013
12:44 pm

Fred-explain a few things about the egg please:

Can it go on a wooden deck, any under protection needed?

Charcoal only?

Where to buy?

Thanks in advance!

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
12:45 pm

The Bible may not be the legal document we want it to be but it is the truth.”

.
.
.

Which bible? St. James or St. Joseph?

Old testament inclusive or not?

and the gnostic gospels?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 26th, 2013
12:45 pm

by golly

March 26th, 2013
12:45 pm

How sweet-a new troll.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 26th, 2013
12:45 pm

and men who wipe their arses with corn cobs 100 times less likely to have hemrhoids

Please don’t let Fred put that on the egg :D

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
12:46 pm

But the Egg is better than the hibachi

Yeah, I’m slowly getting sold on the idea, actually.

I’ve only had some kind of a gas grill all these years. And I think such things would still have their place on, say, weeknights when time is at a premium, but I can totally see using a Green Egg for entertaining, or just for the kind of slow-cooked meals I enjoy making anyway (big on soups/chili/stews in the winter, for example).

not on the same plane

So, your dad didn’t consider just stashing you in the hibachi?

Erwin's cat

March 26th, 2013
12:46 pm

For me, it was Rachel Tejada in One Million Years B.C

never knew she changed her name

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raquel_Welch

skipper

March 26th, 2013
12:46 pm

While rolling the channels tonight, I just gotta see what “Lickety-Split” Maddow says on this topic………she and Hannity remind me why I am independent!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 26th, 2013
12:46 pm

Golly, that should be a “new” troll. :D

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
12:47 pm

“And to the dim-wit in the UK, it’s cold global warming…..oooh wait, climate change….oooh wait….Brits, who are one of the main purveyors of the global warming scam deserve what they are getting. Too bad it’s affecting the more conservative northerners as opposed the cess pool once known as London.”

:lol: oh my sweet baby jeebus, that is the funniest thing I’ve read all day.

conservative Northerners??? baaaaahahahahahaha … you can thank your precious Margaret Thatcher for the eternal hatred and loathing that the north holds now (and evermore) for the Tory party.

and, yes, half-wit … it is climate change … and what the US and UK are experiencing is a harbinger of what you can expect to continue seeing: http://www.itv.com/news/2013-03-25/extreme-weather-will-become-more-likely-in-uk-as-climate-changes/

Erwin's cat

March 26th, 2013
12:47 pm

never knew she changed her name

for that matter….for years I wasn’t sure if she had a head either

breckenridge

March 26th, 2013
12:47 pm

“Actually, no…and actually, they didn’t. They left because they were unable to FORCE their form of beliefs on the rest of England. And it wasn’t for lack of trying.”

Well no, they weren’t actually persecuted, but they claimed they were. They did not think the King and the Church of England were “purist” enough in their Protestant beliefs, and to the Puritans “purist” meant strict Calvinist. They also thought there was too much Catholic influence in the English Church.

I find it impossible to have anything other than complete disdain for John Calvin, starting with his predestination idiocy. He made a bigger contribution to religious intolerance and religious bigotry than any other single individual I can think of.

by golly

March 26th, 2013
12:48 pm

Keep-true that!

TiredOfIt

March 26th, 2013
12:49 pm

Scratch It
March 26th, 2013
11:17 am

Keep Up the Good Fight!

The Red Cross does not accept a blood from a number of groups, including heterosexuals who have travelled to certain areas.

What a buffoonish issue to raid.

I think its buffoonery to deflect. We’re talking about homosexuals and I asked a simple question. One that you don’t know or simply don’t want to answer… lol… silly libs..

++

“silly libs” Just have to say that sounds so ….

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
12:49 pm

Fred – 12:43 – oooooooooo … envy!!! (although, I imagine you’ll need half the time) … when we buy our next house, I’m going to get the mister to build me a bread oven :-)

by golly

March 26th, 2013
12:50 pm

Erwins’ cat-eeeewwwwwww, TMI.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 26th, 2013
12:50 pm

I always thought that was Raquel Welch

Jo Raquel Tejada — hecho en Chicago

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Normal

For some reason blondes just don’t do it for me.

Sophia Loren?

Mama Mia, that’s a spicy meatball!

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
12:52 pm

K. Chak — “For me, it was Rachel Tejada in One Million Years B.C.”

Now that’s a blast from the past. :D

Erwin's cat

March 26th, 2013
12:53 pm

Erwins’ cat-eeeewwwwwww, TMI

you must be talking about the wood burning pizza oven project idea

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
12:53 pm

Kam – Sophia Loren can’t be human … she’s got to be a goddess. and she STILL looks amazing!

Peace

March 26th, 2013
12:54 pm

When I was 14, I didn’t protest when my attractive female piano teacher put her hand on my leg during a private lesson in her home. Bless her heart. When the male choir director in our church did the same thing, my dad whipped his ass and the SOB went to prison. Now that’s choice…no matter how you define it.

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
12:54 pm

EC: If you aren’t going to get a Green Egg and want to build a “brick oven” could I suggest using the Argentinian style parilla? Not because Ihave any first hand knowledge of them lol, but because I’ve read about them lol. You can do meat and breads, and pizza’s on them.

http://www.fornobravo.com/forum/attachments/38/33097d1354986672-argentinian-parrilla-wood-charcoal-grill-parilla-1.jpg

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
12:55 pm

the wood burning pizza oven project idea

I don’t mind heterosexuals, but they should keep their icky displays of affection to themselves.

breckenridge

March 26th, 2013
12:55 pm

“The Bible may not be the legal document we want it to be but it is the truth.”

I floated this over the weekend and got, not surprisingly, received no response from the evangelical crowd. But I’ll give it another shot.

One of the most well known incidents in the New Testament is the Episode at the Temple. This was the only time Jesus used physical force, that day he kicked the money changers to the curb. The incident is reported in all 4 Gospels. In Matthew, Mark, and Luke it takes place about a week before Jesus was crucified. But in John it takes place two years before his death.

So where is the error? Is the error in the 3 Gospels? Or is in the Gospel of John? And what does this tell us about Biblical inerrancy?

Welcome to the Occupation

March 26th, 2013
12:55 pm

arbeit macht frei: “Brits, who are one of the main purveyors of the global warming scam deserve what they are getting. Too bad it’s affecting the more conservative northerners as opposed the cess pool once known as London”

Just look at this map. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2010UKElectionMap.svg

Red is Labour, blue is Tory, yellow’s neolib corporatist a-holes.

/Fascist idiot. :)

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 26th, 2013
12:56 pm

Well, I sure hope they’re wrong about Thelma Doom being on here under another name. A manly man like that? Why, next they’ll be telling me this Sen. Lindsey Graham is Gay! A guy with a AF uniform and a colonel to boot (and he’ll never make general with this Kenyan Marxist Socialist Muslim in charge) and wants us to go to war with Syria and you think he’s Gay?

What give him away?

Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

Have a good p.m. everybody.

Matt321

March 26th, 2013
12:56 pm

Peace – sorry to hear your dad went to prison at such a young age. Such a violent man, though, it’s probably good society caught him before he did worse than beating someone for touching your leg. Hopefully he found religion in prison – perhaps Islam? That would explain your user name.

Erwin's cat

March 26th, 2013
12:57 pm

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
12:58 pm

You can do meat and breads, and pizza’s on them.

This may sound strange, but couldn’t one accomplish something similar with a wood-burning indoor fireplace, given the right racks and, I guess, doors/vents?

(to those who say “but you’d smell up the whole house,” I’d say “is there anything wrong with that?”

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
12:58 pm

I go back a ways, but for me it was Marilyn Monroe…

Really? I thought you were a bit older than that. Didn’t you mention last night that you built a deck for General Sherman when he was passing through a few years ago?

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
12:58 pm

breckenridge — “So where is the error? Is the error in the 3 Gospels? Or is in the Gospel of John? And what does this tell us about Biblical inerrancy?”

Dude, if you outsource your code to an overseas shop, don’t bring it back home and ask us to debug it for you.

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 26th, 2013
12:59 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 26th, 2013
12:50 pm

Kam,
Well, I was all of fourteen…I mean…what did I know? Only that part of me was petrifying…

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
1:03 pm

“I don’t mind heterosexuals, but they should keep their icky displays of affection to themselves.”

hahaha … there was a couple that I passed every morning when I worked in The City – they didn’t just kiss goodbye, they did a full-on, butt-grabbing snog … a little much for 8:00 in the morning …

Erwin's cat

March 26th, 2013
1:04 pm

Fred – how big is your egg?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 26th, 2013
1:04 pm

Kennedy apparently has been raising issues of standing. Could be a very limited decision.

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 26th, 2013
1:05 pm

Well, I sure hope they’re wrong about Thelma Doom being on here under another name.

They are.

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
1:07 pm

“Fred – how big is your egg?”

that’s a bit personal ;-)

and besides, I hear the camera adds an extra 10 pounds …

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
1:08 pm

by golly? Are you a new poster? I dont’ remember the handle. Welcome aboard if you are, sorry I missed you if you aren’t lol.

Anyway, Mine is on my wodden deck which is also a screened in porch. The corporate HQ is here in Tucker, Lawrenceville HWY (29) near Northlake Parkway, and they have a store there as well. But they have dealers all over town. You can actually get a better deals often at one of the dealers like the Ace Hardware at Toco Hills, because the Corporate stores can only sell them at the “retail” price so they don’t screw their dealers while the dealers can sell them for whatever they want to sell them for. Here is the Corporate store. If you go in there those folks are all Green Egg “eggsperts.” They all have one and cook on them. The manager, Terry, is awesome, but like I said any of the folks there can tell you anything from specs to recipes. Since it’s really close by my house, I go all the time to check on cooking techniques. And to buy “eggcessories.”

Over the years we have had 3 or 4 gas grillds go bad on us and they more than equal the price of the egg we have now. It was a Christmas present from my wife or I would stillbe using my Weber. I was happy with my weber, I loved my weber, I had no idea that anything could be better until I got the egg.

Oh and it uses lump charcoal. It can be ready to cook on in about 15 minutes so it’s not much slower to get ready than a gas grill. Also when you are finished, you close the top lid and the bottom air inlet and the fire dies. That means you use the same lump charcoal many times. One thing I always disliked about the Weber was that it was a waste of charcoal to do fish. With this, you start it up, do your 5 minutes of cooking (or better yet smoke the fish for longer lol) and then close it down and you still have your lump charcoal for later.

Damn, they ought to give me a job at the Green Egg store shouldn’t they?

http://www.biggreenegg.com/

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 26th, 2013
1:10 pm

Normal

Heh, heh, heh.

It’s not that I didn’t appreciate Norma Jeane’s — huuuuuuuuuuuge tracts of land — I find that bleach bottle blonde thingie off putting for some reason.

indigo

March 26th, 2013
1:10 pm

Jay – 10:45

Of course I see the difference.

But, that is not the point, and you know it.

The point is your flawed logic.

Regnad Kcin

March 26th, 2013
1:11 pm

“There is no comparison. I say this as a former happy weber guy”

Dang! That means I have to consider it. and I’m perfectly happy with my Weber!

GT

March 26th, 2013
1:12 pm

The Republicans seem to always operate in closets, whether they are sending someone there or they are in one. They operate in the shadows of society and then want to lead in the daylight. They don’t think the public can handle the truth so whether it was Nixon with Watergate, Reagan with Contra Affair, or Bush with lying about weapons of mass destruction or Romney being backed by a Jewish casino owner there is always this air of two sets of books with Republicans.

The way to run a democracy is to find the truth and get it out there. Anything less pollutes the design of the government and results in failure. Not only do the Republicans lie about what they do they then make up lies about what the other side does. And the press has become too passive with these lies allowing them to fester. The public proved in the Obama last election the system is stronger than the filtered truth. We have reached a milestone in the history of this country where the insanity of lies powering an event is no longer.

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
1:15 pm

Kam and USinUK: Yeah Sophia Loren has always “done it” for me as well. She truly is a goddes. Even now at something like 300 years old she is gorgeous. And all factory equipment. No add on’s for her.

EC: I have the large. Also that wood grill looks cool. If you ever want to build it and want somone to do the brickwork, let me know. I have a Mexican buddy (might be American by now lol he’s been working on Citizenship for several years) who is the best brick mason I know.

dB: Yes. You CAN do the brick oven thing in your house. I think though they are VERY expensive that way which is why most folks do them outside. Fogo Da Chao has big indoor ones and several Pizza joints in town have them as well. one guy even imported everything from Mt. Vesuvious. Lava rock, lava ash for the mortar, even the craftsmen lol.

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
1:15 pm

indigo – more like YOUR flawed logic: “Psychologists say Pedifiles (sic) have a behavior that is so deeply seated it cannot be cured. So, by your logic, Pedifiles should also be “full and equal participants””

that’s your logic, not Jay’s. own it.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 26th, 2013
1:16 pm

Are there any hot libs…

Ashley Judd immediately leaps to mind.

indigo

March 26th, 2013
1:16 pm

Why didn’t our founding fathers say something about gay marriage in our Constitution?

Maybe it was such an outlandish idea that it never occured to them to mention it. I’m thinking they would have been outraged at the very idea of it and under no circumstances offered any support.

Just something for those of you who support gay marriage and “the right to keep and bear arm” to think about.

St Simons- Cons - privatizimg the public & publicizing your privates since 1980

March 26th, 2013
1:17 pm

could by golly possibly be the cat?

we’re good at finding our way in the woods, but not very good on a blog
(thump!, ouch)

Egg Salesman

March 26th, 2013
1:17 pm

Go to Costco and buy their “egg”, much more for your money. The one in Brookhaven still has a couple but they sell fast. Rip off the lining and buy yourself some high temperature “nomex” tape which will last forever and give a good seal. The egg will make you ditch your weber forever.

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2013
1:18 pm

“Why didn’t our founding fathers say something about gay marriage in our Constitution?”

Why didn’t they say something about marriage in our Constitution?
Maybe it was such an outlandish idea that it never occured to them to mention it.

Stevie Ray

March 26th, 2013
1:18 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 26th, 2013
1:16 pm

It appears to me that many men love Michelle’s look….in my experience the liberal have the corner on the hottie market hands down.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 26th, 2013
1:18 pm

Why is it that so many of the conned feel that comments about the physical looks of a woman is appropriate to a political decision or discussion. What a shallow comment that even a Neanderthal would not be childish enough to make. (My apologies in advance to Neanderthals and the Geico Caveman)

Peadawg

March 26th, 2013
1:18 pm

“Are there any hot libs”

Scarlett Johansson

Matti

March 26th, 2013
1:18 pm

Hot libs? Clooney, Pitt, Cornell, and Connick, Jr. spring immediately to mind.

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
1:19 pm

“Even now at something like 300 years old she is gorgeous.”

:lol:

never underestimate the power of olive oil and garlic!!! keeps us Italians young and sexy!!!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 26th, 2013
1:19 pm

Why didn’t our founding fathers say something about gay marriage in our Constitution?

Why didn’t our founding fathers say something about cold fusion in our Constitution?

indigo

March 26th, 2013
1:19 pm

USinUK

Psychologists also don’t try to “cure” gays, and for the same reason.

What’s the general public opion about gay marriage in England?

It it lawful now?

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
1:19 pm

“Hot libs? Clooney, Pitt, Cornell, and Connick, Jr. spring immediately to mind.”

sweet jeebus, you had me at Clooney.

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
1:19 pm

You CAN do the brick oven thing in your house.

Well yeah–people have been doing it for as long as they’ve had homes (caves?), I guess.

Not gonna happen in mine–my fireplace just isn’t deep enough, and I’m not really in the mood to do that kind of construction to change its footprint.

but I am seriously considering the egg, and thank you for the info.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 26th, 2013
1:19 pm

Why hasn’t Darwanism/Natural Selection eliminated the gay/lesbian gene ?

Just asking.

Jefferson

March 26th, 2013
1:21 pm

The founding fathers called it “Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” , but that don’t include anything the wife forbids….

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2013
1:21 pm

“Why hasn’t Darwanism/Natural Selection eliminated the gay/lesbian gene ?”

Because it does not affect the survival rate of the species.

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
1:23 pm

Hot libs? Clooney, Pitt, Cornell, and Connick, Jr. spring immediately to mind.

As Doomy would say Matti just laid down the BOOM lol.

TBS

March 26th, 2013
1:23 pm

“Because it does not affect the survival rate of the species.”

Ouch……………..

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 26th, 2013
1:23 pm

“Gun Store Owner Cancels Mark Kelly’s Rifle Purchase”

Good ……… liberals shouldn’t be allowed to have guns.

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
1:23 pm

“Psychologists also don’t try to “cure” gays, and for the same reason.”

also, because it isn’t a socio-pathic illness … much in the same way that they don’t want to “cure” heterosexuality or left-handedness

“What’s the general public opion about gay marriage in England? It it lawful now?”

most people seem to be for it … MPs voted for it (I think it’s in the House of Lords) – Cameron spoke strongly for it … CofE is agin’ it.

Peadawg

March 26th, 2013
1:23 pm

“Why hasn’t Darwanism/Natural Selection eliminated the gay/lesbian gene ?”

Are you admitting it ISN’T a choice?

by golly

March 26th, 2013
1:23 pm

Fred-thanks for the info. I have always wanted to go in the green egg store in Tucker but wasn’t sure what to ask. If you live close to the store, you must also live close to the retirement home that burned. Very scary stuff.

Long time reader but newish poster. Carry on!

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
1:24 pm

Dumb misogynist trolls–still unloved by mommy. Aww.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
1:24 pm

L. C. Fugly — “I could be liberal if it weren’t for so many fat lezbians…….skinny ones ain’t much to look at either. Are there any hot libs or do they all look like Rachel Madcow?”

None of them will sleep with your conservative azz, so don’t bother worrying about it.

Maybe you could have a go at Rick Santorum’s daughter Elizabeth. You know, the one with the face like the robot in The Iron Giant?

Alex

March 26th, 2013
1:24 pm

The supreme court has accepted the Michigan affirmative action case and is currently deciding on a Texas case. Does affirmative action , race based,improve minority incomes ? Is a racially diverse university actually socially diverse or ,as some have claimed,do the blacks, latinos,whites, etc. predominately socialize with their own race? Do we still need race based affirmative action for college admisssions? Do will still need “legacies” in college?

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
1:24 pm

indigo – here’s info on the house of commons vote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21346220

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 26th, 2013
1:24 pm

When one poster of stupidity leaves, a door opens so that another may enter.

Right Senior Digits?

Matti

March 26th, 2013
1:25 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight,

Men like the troglodyte calling himself “Lib Chics are Fugly” suffer deep feelings of inadequacy so much worse than the “wealth envy” they accuse in others. (We can get more money; he cannot get more of what he lacks.) The only way creeps like that can get positive attention from a woman is to join other “mean girls” in being mean. Bless his little heart. Let’s pray for him, shall we?

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
1:25 pm

dB – “Dumb misogynist trolls–still unloved by mommy.”

Oedipus.

s’all I’m sayin.

Ken

March 26th, 2013
1:25 pm

Why do liberal courts always rule against the will of the voters? That is why democrats always push their liberals judges. And that is why Soros has his campaign and money to get a democrat as Sec of State in every state.

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
1:26 pm

“Any hot libs on here….. Under 50? That work? Any straight ones?”

depends

are you the only alternative to being gay?

if so, I’ll take my chances with the ladies …

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
1:26 pm

None of them will sleep with your conservative azz

Nor will Laura Flanders or Stephanie Miller.

Jefferson

March 26th, 2013
1:26 pm

ken is sounding full…

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
1:27 pm

Welcome to the Occupation:

Here’s your facts… LOL… silly libs..

http://www.cdc.gov/msmhealth/STD.htm

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
1:27 pm

Oedipus.

s’all I’m sayin.

Oh, THAT kinda “love”.

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
1:28 pm

awwwwww … Soros … bless it, it’s been AGES since that bogeyman has made an appearance …

TBS

March 26th, 2013
1:28 pm

Scout

Were you able to substantiate that deal about Muslim women and the TSA you posted yesterday?

It was garbage and a lie. I can only hope that you just cut and pasted as usual and didn’t know that you were posting a lie. But then again, it wouldn’t be a shocker

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
1:30 pm

L. C. Fugly — “Any hot libs on here….. Under 50? That work? Any straight ones?”

Go troll a conservative dating site, ya mook. You’re not going to get any nibbles here.

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
1:30 pm

so, scratch-n-sniff, according to your logic, then:

IV drug users shouldn’t be able to get married
people who lived in the UK shouldn’t be allowed to get married
people who have traveled to countries with malaria shouldn’t be able to get married for 3 years
prostitutes shouldn’t be allowed to get married
people who have risky sex shouldn’t be allowed to get married.

because they ALL are prohibited from giving blood because of concern about disease.

thanks for clearing that up :roll:

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
1:31 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

Again, the Red Cross will accept blood from homosexuals despite the buffoonish lies. They will not accept blood from those at risk with HIV. There is a difference to those who can think.

That is a lie….. Sorry to tell you. I’ve proven that they don’t by providing links to their questioner…

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
1:32 pm

dB – “Oh, THAT kinda “love”.”

mmmhmmm … the origin of the MILF

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
1:32 pm

Lib Chics Are Fugly

March 26th, 2013
1:25 pm

Any hot libs on here….. Under 50? That work? Any straight ones?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++

You are at the wrong spot for trolling for chicks pal. This isn’t the Hustler Forums online………..

Matti

March 26th, 2013
1:32 pm

“Fatti Matti”? HAHAHAHA!

Peter

March 26th, 2013
1:32 pm

GOD made GAY Republican’s. and soon tons of them will be coming out of the closet.

Peace

March 26th, 2013
1:33 pm

Matt321…

Yes, the choir director did find religion in prison. He spent a lot more time worshiping on his knees.

Regnad Kcin

March 26th, 2013
1:34 pm

“Why hasn’t Darwanism/Natural Selection eliminated the gay/lesbian gene ?”

Perhaps it adds value to the gene pool in ways we’ve not yet determined.

Peter

March 26th, 2013
1:34 pm

God made straight Republican representatives…… who play footsie in Men’s bathroom stalls.

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
1:34 pm

Lib Chics Are Fugly

Some are, some aren’t. Same with Con chics.

You’d creep out any of them.

TBS

March 26th, 2013
1:35 pm

“You are at the wrong spot for trolling for chicks pal.”

Probably explains his HIGH lack of success rate

:-)

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 26th, 2013
1:35 pm

Headline (NBC): “High Court Hints Against Sweeping Decision on Gay Marriage”

“Following the oral argument, Pete Williams of NBC News reported that it seemed “quite obvious that the U.S. Supreme Court is not prepared to issue any kind of sweeping ruling” declaring that same-sex couples have a constitutional right to marry.”

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/26/17460260-supreme-court-hints-that-it-wont-issue-sweeping-ruling-on-same-sex-marriage?lite

Ah ……….. that pesky Constitution thing.

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
1:35 pm

again:

The media sweeps under the rug many child molestation’s because it may offend the homosexual community.

I say you’re a liar. You can disprove this easily enough. Right?

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2013
1:37 pm

“Why do liberal courts always rule against the will of the voters? ”

Because the “will of the voters” is not the ultimate authority. The Constitution is. When the “will of the voters” conflicts with the Constitution…the Constitution wins.

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 26th, 2013
1:37 pm

“Why hasn’t Darwinism/Natural Selection eliminated the gay/lesbian gene”

Perhaps the “Gay Gene” becomes more prevalent when the over population threatens the earth’s resources. It’s just God’s way of protecting His creation…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 26th, 2013
1:38 pm

Poor Scratchy gets proven a liar (see my 12:39) but the poor troll just can’t help his ignorance.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 26th, 2013
1:38 pm

Hey Matti! It’s gonna need more than prayers for that one. :D

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
1:40 pm

0311 — “Ah ……….. that pesky Constitution thing.”

More likely that the phone lines are jammed and Justice Scalia can’t get through to the Pope for further instructions.

Peadawg

March 26th, 2013
1:41 pm

“Any hot libs on here….. Under 50? That work? Any straight ones?”

Aaaaaand there go the goal posts. Loser.

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
1:41 pm

Mr. Digits

Well SCOTUS blog predicts Prop 8 going down….

Then the DOMA case….

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
1:51 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

Poor Scratchy gets proven a liar (see my 12:39) but the poor troll just can’t help his ignorance.

Prove it dunce… You can’t… lol… what fools…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 26th, 2013
1:54 pm

…tick…tick…tick

skydog

March 26th, 2013
1:54 pm

I have recently been cooking ribs and wings on this…The Rib-O-Lator. It works real good and is quality built.
http://www.ribolator.com

Gale

March 26th, 2013
1:56 pm

I would be happy with a decision to let the CA court decision stand on Prop 8. Even a narrow decision is a win in CA. DOMA is the big problem.

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
1:58 pm

Normal, Plain and Simple

I don’t know why I try, but yes, in the beginning, before much was understood about AIDS, blood, mostly from Haiti did get into the blood backs while infected…since then hardly ever if at all…now having said that, I gotta ask…you said,
“I’m sure I’ll see a homosexual there because one works at the diner I frequent. And we always have a pleasant exchange..”

I ask, exchange of what? wink, wink…

Oh its a female. She looks horrendous but she’s really nice. We always speak to each other because I’ve known her since she was a child. I do know a few homosexual men but very rarely speak to them. I can’t stomach it because I just the thought of what they does makes me want to puke…

St Simons- Cons - privatizimg the public & publicizing your privates since 1980

March 26th, 2013
2:01 pm

oh, yeah, creepy anti-gay troll goes on a pro-gay thread and acts creepy.

man, like that’s never happened on the intertubes before.

even the primitive indian got that one. stevie wonder saw that coming.

The Sophist-icated Republican

March 26th, 2013
2:04 pm

I see that Bill Gates is willing to pay a million dollars to anyone that develops an improved condom. Scratch should take him up on that task and if he is successful, the world may have fewer unwanted pregnancies and fewer sexually transmitted diseases as a bonus. Everyone wins.

Regnad Kcin

March 26th, 2013
2:04 pm

“I can’t stomach it because I just the thought of what they does makes me want to puke…”

I wonder why gay men make you feel so uncomfortable. Perhaps you should explore your feelings…

skipper

March 26th, 2013
2:05 pm

Joe Hussein Mama,
you are right on…..but for the ugliest (and this is prett hard to dispute) the grand prize winner is : Scout Willis. She is so ugly they sent her to Nebraska to work the cornfields, and the crows brought back the corn they had stolen last year!

JamVet

March 26th, 2013
2:05 pm

Scrathed, bob, uglymeat, td and others in the stupid, insulting and backward party,

We dragged you and your sorry parents kicking and screaming away from the safety of your colored water fountains and colored classrooms. From your separate but equal racism and Baptist-church fueled Klan gatherings.

Now we do it again for a different vilified group of Americans, who also only want equal justice under law.

Do you honestly think that we have grown tired of smashing your hatred and bigotry into tiny little pieces?

Seriously?!

This is important work that we do. And great fun, to boot!

Get used to it, bigots. Your fifty year losing streak is just cranking up…

Erwin's cat

March 26th, 2013
2:06 pm

“I can’t stomach it because I just the thought of what they does makes me want to puke…”

ever seen American Beauty?

Regnad Kcin

March 26th, 2013
2:07 pm

“ever seen American Beauty?”

LOL – that’s just what I was thinking of! :D

TBS

March 26th, 2013
2:09 pm

“ever seen American Beauty?”

Rumor has it that he was an “extra” in Brokeback Mountain. Does that count?

Alex

March 26th, 2013
2:12 pm

Studies suggest that the gay “gene” or genes are maintained in the population because heterosexuals who have a number of the genes(although probably not a full compliment) have an increased opportunity to procreate such that the women are more aggressive and the men are more attractive.These characteristics increase the chances that these individuals mate and have offspring. Fully present, these genes would direct the individual to homosexuality.On a very simple-2 gene -model, think sickle cell and malaria.

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
2:13 pm

Where do you think Andy Enfield will be coaching next year? UCLA maybe?

by golly

March 26th, 2013
2:14 pm

I know a lot of these posts encouraging the trolls to “come out” are made in good fun. However, my gay friends would never push their lifestyle on anyone and would be offended by some of you here pushing that agenda. They just want to be left alone, live in peace, and not be singled out because they happen to love someone of the same sex. They want the same rights of any other person.

Jefferson

March 26th, 2013
2:16 pm

Digets just can mind his own damn bizness…is what they say

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2013
2:17 pm

“However, my gay friends would never push their lifestyle on anyone and would be offended by some of you here pushing that agenda”

To which “agenda” do you refer?

by golly

March 26th, 2013
2:21 pm

wonder why gay men make you feel so uncomfortable. Perhaps you should explore your feelings…

“I’m sure I’ll see a homosexual there because one works at the diner I frequent. And we always have a pleasant exchange..”

I ask, exchange of what? wink, wink

GOD made GAY Republican’s. and soon tons of them will be coming out of the closet.

Just on this page.

Bernie

March 26th, 2013
2:22 pm

Enter your comments here

GodisanAtheist

March 26th, 2013
2:23 pm

Who among you could look at Cher’s offspring and not find it an abomination and want to throw the first stone? Oh vey.

skipper

March 26th, 2013
2:23 pm

Yep, alot is fun. However, being ugly (as folks have gone back and forth on today) is not reserved for one party (Dem or Repub.) If this blog is going to digress into who is ugly, then get factual and real…..and Scout Willis is the “real” ugly….politics be dog gone!

Thomas

March 26th, 2013
2:23 pm

http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/26/investing/buffett-goldman/

Buffett making billions on his gift from the gov’t. Isn’t that special. Fascism anyone? Please tell us more about tax policy Mr. Buffett.

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2013
2:23 pm

“Who among you could look at Cher’s offspring and not find it an abomination and want to throw the first stone?”

Me

Bernie

March 26th, 2013
2:23 pm

Jay, There are more CLOSETS in the Republican Party, than there are Hotel Rooms and Condos on Peachtree Street going to Buckhead.

by golly

March 26th, 2013
2:29 pm

Bernie-so what?

Regnad Kcin

March 26th, 2013
2:31 pm

“Bernie-so what?”

Closets are not good for people to live in (if they don’t want to).

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
2:31 pm

Scout Willis is the “real” ugly….politics be dog gone!

Is she adopted? I won’t comment on if she is pretty or ugly because beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But when I look at her pictures I can’t see Bruce OR Demi in her.

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2013
2:33 pm

“But when I look at her pictures I can’t see Bruce OR Demi in her.”

Children to do not always “take after” their parents

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
2:34 pm

Regnad Kcin

“I can’t stomach it because I just the thought of what they does makes me want to puke…”

I wonder why gay men make you feel so uncomfortable. Perhaps you should explore your feelings…

Oh just the thought of toiling in feces…

That Black Guy

March 26th, 2013
2:35 pm

JamVet

March 26th, 2013
9:48 am
But not for those who exemplify the stupid, insulting and backward party. (hat tip, B. Jindal)
_______________________________________________
But I doubt the 48% of Blacks who oppose represent the “Lilly White Party”, but please continue.

Peadawg

March 26th, 2013
2:36 pm

“I can’t stomach it because I just the thought of what they does makes me want to puke…” – Then don’t think about it.

“Oh just the thought of toiling in feces…” – Then don’t toil in feces.

See how easy it is?

by golly

March 26th, 2013
2:37 pm

Regnad Kcin

March 26th, 2013
2:31 pm
“Bernie-so what?”

Closets are not good for people to live in (if they don’t want to).

I condemn anyone who would “out” someone.

Brosephus™

March 26th, 2013
2:37 pm

I see that the trollishness and jackassery is full blown today. Funny how you can miss a good part of what’s said and still not miss a thing.

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
2:39 pm

toiling?

intercourse as toiling?

mmmmmmmmmmmm

skipper

March 26th, 2013
2:40 pm

@Fred,
Nope, she belongs genetically to Bruce Willis and Demi Moore. I reckon’ I shouldn’t have called her out, but ugliness has no political bounds….if you are gonna talk ugly, then talk UGLY! And rest assured, she is over-qualified!
By the way, even though we may differ on opinion occasionally, when is the cookout? I’m still on the New Braunfells grill, but am learning alot from you today. I love to cook out. Food has no political preferences (does it?)

Brosephus™

March 26th, 2013
2:40 pm

GG

If he’s toiling, then he ain’t doin’ it right.

barking frog

March 26th, 2013
2:40 pm

Scratch
“Oh just the thought of toiling in feces
………………………………….
you should be accustomed as it serves you for brains…

Regnad Kcin

March 26th, 2013
2:42 pm

“I condemn anyone who would “out” someone.”

Oh, I agree – dragging someone out of the closet is generally the act of an enemy, not a friend. But changing the environment so it is easier to choose to leave the closet – ah, that’s what’s going on in the USA right now, right?

That Black Guy

March 26th, 2013
2:42 pm

Jerome Horwitz

March 26th, 2013
9:49 am
gadem – The same codewords once used against blacks are the same now used against homosexuals. No matter how the black clergy twists they’re guilty of the same prejudgices they fought against. I find them despicable, or Republican. The old “I got mine screw you” pilosophy. Hope you are able to open your eyes.
____________________________________
Once again, I doubt that the 48% of Blacks that oppose gay marrage are republician.

I don’t think those Blacks appricate ya’ll trying to stuff them in that republician “box”.

If you don’t want to actually THINK about who ACTUALLY opposes gay marrage, that’s fine.

But to MISTHINK who opposes it, to score political points, is, IMO, lazy.

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
2:42 pm

“Gun Store Owner Cancels Mark Kelly’s Rifle Purchase”

Ok, about that:

If the idea by this brilliant gun store owner was that Mark Kelly shouldn’t enjoy the publicity from what the brilliant gun store own saw as a stunt, brilliant gun store owner kinda shot himself in the foot by making this even *more* of a story, methinks.

But hey, it means more business for him. And as we know, the gun industry is always about themselves, never about the actual Americans who suffer from their pursuit of the almighty dollar.

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
2:42 pm

Bro

Yessir yabetcha!

Bernie

March 26th, 2013
2:45 pm

by golly @ 2:29 pm
Regnad Kcin @ 2:31 pm

So What? This is the Karma that Haunts The Republican Party everyday in their sinister Hatred and Bigotted atttitude toward other countrymen and women of this Great Nation. If one would take a polling of the millions of their off spring, who are members openly and in the closet. You could fill Piedmont Park in Atlanta, a hundred times over with them.

by golly

March 26th, 2013
2:46 pm

Um no, I don’t think anything SCOTUS does in the positive for homosexuals will have any bearing on how they are looked upon. Sad but true.

Regnad Kcin

March 26th, 2013
2:42 pm
“I condemn anyone who would “out” someone.”

Oh, I agree – dragging someone out of the closet is generally the act of an enemy, not a friend. But changing the environment so it is easier to choose to leave the closet – ah, that’s what’s going on in the USA right now, right?

Finn McCool (the system isn't broken; it's fixed)

March 26th, 2013
2:46 pm

this is funny. Also, read the first comment at the bottom:

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/02/battle-of-hoth/

skipper

March 26th, 2013
2:46 pm

Granny…..a la Palin??? (”yabetcha”??)

Brosephus™

March 26th, 2013
2:47 pm

dB

You’re much better than me. I activated the scroll finger for that desperate plea for attention. Trolling knows no age limit.

by golly

March 26th, 2013
2:48 pm

By extension-does having a black President lessen the bigotry? Nope.

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
2:52 pm

Oh, Scratch it? once again:

The media sweeps under the rug many child molestation’s because it may offend the homosexual community.

Since you’ve offered nothing in the way of evidence for what you’ve asserted, I say you are liar.

Again. And I think I’ll bring this up every time you show your pathetic, homophobic, a-holish self here as “Scratch it.” (which is to say it’s probably time for you to name-change again.)

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 26th, 2013
2:53 pm

Ok, about that:

I thought the interesting point of that story was that Mark Kelly (who I respect very much. He flew the only Shuttle I ever saw launch) wanted to demonstrate how easily he could buy an assault rifle. But then the store had to, by law, hold the weapon for 20 days before it could release it to Kelly. I guess it wasn’t as easy as Kelly thought.

clem

March 26th, 2013
2:54 pm

hey guy, you are insane. don’t know many gays who quit, do know some criminals that did.

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
2:54 pm

skipper

nope…

it was Palin ala Norwegian Lutherans!

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
2:55 pm

godless heathen – owner of many things he does not need

March 26th, 2013
2:53 pm
Ok, about that:

I thought the interesting point of that story was that Mark Kelly (who I respect very much. He flew the only Shuttle I ever saw launch) wanted to demonstrate how easily he could buy an assault rifle. But then the store had to, by law, hold the weapon for 20 days before it could release it to Kelly. I guess it wasn’t as easy as Kelly thought.
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Can the store owner legally refuse to sell to Mr. Kelly?

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 26th, 2013
2:56 pm

Bernie: Home Depot having a sale on those broad brushes today?

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
2:56 pm

I activated the scroll finger for that desperate plea for attention.

not sure if you’re speaking of Scout or Scratch it, but if the former–I read that story about the gun store owner this morning–I saw the guy’s Facebook page, actually, he’s getting all kinds of high-fives from the yellow-snake-flag crowd for showin’ them librulz what fo’.

And all I could think of was, “hey, whatever works for you and your business, I guess that’s cool. But if you were hoping to make Mark Kelly’s ‘publicity stunt’ less effective, I don’t think you succeeded, bud.”

LUCIFER

March 26th, 2013
2:56 pm

Live and let live!! Equal rights for all!! Down with homophobes! (There — let’s hope SCOTUS agrees).

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
2:58 pm

intercourse as toiling?

Well it it led to breeding THAT thing, you’d probably at least want a do-over, right?

Community Organizer (with-no-desire-to-govern, little-care-for-high-unemployment, no-talent-for-leadership,-zero-desire-to-compromise-and-a-lust-for-making-my-enemies-pay) Obama

March 26th, 2013
2:59 pm

Is anyone still in the closet, Jay? Not from where I can see. You are employing a straw-man argument, only imagining the times of anti-sodomy laws in order to advocate for the oxymoron, “gay marriage”.

Celebrate [our] gay brothers and sisters and cousins and aunts and uncles and moms and pops

Indeed, celebrate them one and all. Don’t let me stop you. Jay, go ahead and cue the victims, all those “brave” people.

But don’t dis-acknowledge the unique and critical relationship critical to the history and to the future of both children and adults in the entire human race–that relationship is called MARRIAGE–which still is the union of one man and one woman entrusted with the future of our race.

Marriage isn’t a civil right. It is a universal, transcultural acknowledgement, obligation, trust, institution, ideal and model. Per the wishes of leftists everywhere, SCOTUS redefining marriage would be an attempt–however incomplete and pathetic–to change all that.

Justice Roberts had it right when he asked whether or not children should simply be told that they are to call everyone “friend,” changing the meaning of the word. We could all call ourselves antelopes, I suppose if we got SCOTUS to go along, right? The leftist arguments are exactly that absurd.

One might even argue that gay people have no standing in arguing for marriage. Originally, they claimed to want simply the legal minutiae of marriage–visitation rights in hospitals, inheritance and so forth. When in many cases this has been given, they continued their march, changing their tone dramatically. We’ve seen that they aren’t interested in mere coming out of the closet–which they have already done.

Because what gays now want comes down in summary to a new kind of societal recognition, we might ask ourselves, why no one single person or group of people be denied of any societal recognition. What is true then is that the court has no business at all advocating for someone who wants a certificate, especially when it involves monkeying with 5000 year old human institutions and ideals.

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 26th, 2013
2:59 pm

Can the store owner legally refuse to sell to Mr. Kelly?

He claims he can because Mr. Kelley is not purchasing the rifle for “personal use”.

breckenridge

March 26th, 2013
3:00 pm

“There are more CLOSETS in the Republican Party, than there are Hotel Rooms and Condos on Peachtree Street going to Buckhead.”

Rumor has it Rick Perry is the biggest queen in Austin Texas. Hmm. Well he was a cheerleader at Texas A&M.

Oops! There I go stereotyping again.

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
3:00 pm

Can the store owner legally refuse to sell to Mr. Kelly?

Can’t imagine why not. He’s said he’s cancelling the order because he doesn’t think it’s in his store’s business interest to do so, so it’s not like he’s saying it’s because Kelly’s follicularly challenged, or white, or what not.

Andrew

March 26th, 2013
3:01 pm

acknowledgement? Jay, really?

Try acknowledgment!!! LOL

breckenridge

March 26th, 2013
3:03 pm

“Beware of these scamsters, especially scamsters in religious garb quoting the Bible. I mean, run from them. They’re all over the place.” Pat Robertson, 3-18-2013.

Good old Pat. He’s so out of it he still talks to Reagan on the phone twice a week.

That Black Guy

March 26th, 2013
3:04 pm

JamVet

March 26th, 2013
10:03 am
God does not condone…

YOUR god?

Not mine, she’s a black and she’s not happy with you!

Apparently you Christian fascists are going to have to learn the same way that your Klan forebears did…
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Jam, come on MAN!

A higher percentage of Blacks call themselves Christian, but I doubt they had “Klan” forebears.

Why don’t you stop this ish.

At least on this topic, since 48% of Blacks oppose gay marrage.

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 26th, 2013
3:04 pm

Finn: Re the Battle of Hoth. That was good. The Rebels only had a chance anyway because the Troopers of the Empire couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn at 10 yards. Despite hundreds of close range opportunities in the 4 movies I saw, they never even scratched one of the good guys with those laser weapons. Geesh.

breckenridge

March 26th, 2013
3:05 pm

Evangelical thumpers it is time for you to listen to your chairman:

“Already there is a generational difference within the conservative movement about issues involving the treatment and the rights of gays and for many younger voters, these issues are a gateway into whether the Party is a place they want to be. If our Party is not welcoming and inclusive, young people and increasingly other voters will continue to tune us out.” Reince Priebus, Chairman, Republican National Committee 3-18-2013.

moonbat betty

March 26th, 2013
3:05 pm

Yeah, republlicans are a bunch of f@gs, man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPo2RMHgSKQ

Community Organizer (with-no-desire-to-govern, little-care-for-high-unemployment, no-talent-for-leadership,-zero-desire-to-compromise-and-a-lust-for-making-my-enemies-pay) Obama

March 26th, 2013
3:05 pm

Since you’ve offered nothing in the way of evidence for what you’ve asserted, I say you are liar.

stands,

What do you want, a cue-the-victims rant with examples?

Only leftists spend so much time to dredge up singular stories that distort reality.

Why don’t you cue up the NAMBLA website and see which side of the marriage debate they favor? Read between the lines on their blogs why don’t you. ….

Obliterating an institution like marriage will open the word to mean anything a plaintiff can argue for a judge to rule–pedophilia, polyandry, polygamy, bestiality–literally anything.

What you leftists are doing isn’t creating a right, nor finding one. You are trying to destroy the meaning of a word and the ideals that word stands for.

Cue the victims. Cue the hate, stands. Cue the venom.

You’re good at that.

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
3:06 pm

godless heathen – owner of many things he does not need

March 26th, 2013
2:59 pm
Can the store owner legally refuse to sell to Mr. Kelly?

He claims he can because Mr. Kelley is not purchasing the rifle for “personal use”.
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he could use it as a hat rack if he so wished….
his personal use should be personal

stands….

i’m thinking if Kelly wanted to push it….

Community Organizer (with-no-desire-to-govern, little-care-for-high-unemployment, no-talent-for-leadership,-zero-desire-to-compromise-and-a-lust-for-making-my-enemies-pay) Obama

March 26th, 2013
3:06 pm

moonbat vulgarity,

Nah. Wasting time commenting on your rants is….

Oh well….

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
3:07 pm

Hasn’t Mark Kelly’s 2nd amendment right been blocked?

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
3:08 pm

SfD — “not sure if you’re speaking of Scout or Scratch it, but if the former–I read that story about the gun store owner this morning–I saw the guy’s Facebook page, actually, he’s getting all kinds of high-fives from the yellow-snake-flag crowd for showin’ them librulz what fo’.

He had to destroy Mark Kelly’s right to bear arms in order to save it.

moonbat betty

March 26th, 2013
3:09 pm

“Troopers of the Empire couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn at 10 yards.”

Well, they did have to wear those hard, clumsy, plastic gloves and that head gear had very poor visibility.

But heck, they looked tough…

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
3:09 pm

What do you want, a cue-the-victims rant with examples?

Plain as day, what I’ve asked for. Evidence for an assertion.

He has none, because he made that stuff up. He’s a liar.

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
3:10 pm

Hasn’t Mark Kelly’s 2nd amendment right been blocked?

Gotta think he and Gabby are wondering if there’d be any practical purpose in legally challenging the store owner’s move. Not sure there would be though.

Brosephus™

March 26th, 2013
3:10 pm

dB

The former as the latter is like Charlie Brown’s teacher talking to me.

That Black Guy

March 26th, 2013
3:11 pm

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 26th, 2013
10:05 am
Scratch It,
You are truly a tool. What goes on in a couples home is no one’s business. You really need enlightenment…
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The issue has nothing to do with *what goes on in “their” homes*.

It’s actually about what goes on OUTSIDE of their homes.

Survivor rights
Hospital visitation rights
Next of kin rights
among others.

indigo

March 26th, 2013
3:11 pm

I’d bet that many, if not most of you here who support gay marriage, consider yourself Christians.

This might seem surprising considering The New Testament in no possible way could be interpreted as supporting it.

However, today’s Christians are champions of cherry picking and actually think it’s a good thing.

Right and wrong seem to becomming more and more relative every day.

And Rome fell.

Community Organizer (with-no-desire-to-govern, little-care-for-high-unemployment, no-talent-for-leadership,-zero-desire-to-compromise-and-a-lust-for-making-my-enemies-pay) Obama

March 26th, 2013
3:11 pm

YOUR god?

Not mine, she’s a black and she’s not happy with you!

Apparently you Christian fascists are going to have to learn the same way that your Klan forebears did…
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Jam, come on MAN!

A higher percentage of Blacks call themselves Christian, but I doubt they had “Klan” forebears.

Why don’t you stop this ish.

At least on this topic, since 48% of Blacks oppose gay marrage.

Ooo! Jam, the perennial leftist blowhard curmudgeon accidentally tarred a member of the protected class.

Pass me the popcorn.

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 26th, 2013
3:11 pm

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013

“Can the store owner legally refuse to sell to Mr. Kelly?”

I’ve been wondering about that. It seems he made a contract in good faith with Mr. Kelly and it shouldn’t matter why Mr. Kelly wanted the gun. I bet the owner would not care if the buyer wanted the gun to say…shoot up a theater…So, to pull the deal back because Mr. Kelly was making a political statement wouldn’t be legally right. It’s like me, buying AR-15 ammunition so that no one else can have it and use it. I own no assault weapons, so my purchases are solely political….would the gun store owner have the right to quit selling me the ammo, if he found out my intentions? As long as I had the proper legal tender and amount, I don’t think so. Where’s DDR when we need her?
3:00 pm

ATL Tiger

March 26th, 2013
3:13 pm

Why is the Government involved in Marriage at all? That’s the real questing surrounding “Marriage Equality.”

‘Divorcing’ the Government and Marriage not only takes government out of people’s private lives, it also means an end to a divisive and essentially meaningless debate, and it protects houses of faith and ends a potential government interference in matters of religion.

We would do much better to require people to create partnership contracts in the civil context than get marriage licenses for issues like property sharing, access to family, and so on. If people want to live together and share their lives to that extent, it’s healthier and much less confusing later to have those issues expressly spelled out in an agreement up front, just like any prenuptial agreement today.

Let government define and enforce contract law, not marriage.

Regnad Kcin

March 26th, 2013
3:13 pm

“Obliterating an institution like marriage will open the word to mean anything a plaintiff can argue for a judge to rule–pedophilia, polyandry, polygamy, bestiality–literally anything. ”

“Anything” that can give consent…

Towncrier

March 26th, 2013
3:14 pm

“In fact, within a generation if not sooner, that language will be stripped from Georgia law as an embarrassment, much as states have stripped their legal codes of the inoperable remnants of Jim Crow. And while a few will condemn that move as another step toward perdition, most others will recognize it as a welcome acknowledgement that those days are over.”

“Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!” – Isaiah 5:20

“In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.” – Romans 1:27

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 26th, 2013
3:14 pm

he could use it as a hat rack if he so wished….
his personal use should be personal

If I remember correctly Mr. Kelly said he was going to give the rifle to some police organization after he demonstrated how easy it was for him to purchase it. Therefore it was a “straw purchase”.

Community Organizer (with-no-desire-to-govern, little-care-for-high-unemployment, no-talent-for-leadership,-zero-desire-to-compromise-and-a-lust-for-making-my-enemies-pay) Obama

March 26th, 2013
3:16 pm

indigo,

I think modern leftists imagine themselves above history. Take Jonathan Alter’s comments on Obama, “he’s some sort of god,” looking down and thinking about everything.

That, in a nutshell, is a sentiment that drives the logic, as it were–a first premise around which they must twist their arguments. One of the residual twists is that anyone against Progress with a capital P is bigoted, simple or stupid. JamVet will confirm this observation if you notice his writings.

skipper

March 26th, 2013
3:17 pm

“This here is the Reverand Billy Ray Collins ‘a comin’ at ya from”TheSword of Joshua Full Gospel Independent Pentacostal Assembly” just of’n the frontage road……………. todays subect: “Homersexuals…….”

Community Organizer (with-no-desire-to-govern, little-care-for-high-unemployment, no-talent-for-leadership,-zero-desire-to-compromise-and-a-lust-for-making-my-enemies-pay) Obama

March 26th, 2013
3:18 pm

Towncrier @ 314,

What is maybe worse than destroying marriage is the condemnation of the wisdom from which it comes–one sees such behavior in the trashing of the Bible and the dismissal of human history, including especially Christian history.

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
3:19 pm

indigo

I happen to think most of the folks who oppose gay marriage think they are christians….

ANn none too bright either as the Jesus says ZILCH re gays.

I think they are risking an eternity in the flaming pit of hell
for messing up on 2 of the top ten commandments.

May God have mercy on their poor damned souls.

Can sinners make smores in hell?

Regnad Kcin

March 26th, 2013
3:20 pm

I appreciate CO having that really long name – it makes it easier to know when to scroll past.

TBS

March 26th, 2013
3:20 pm

TC

Since when is the US law bound by the Old Testament writings?

What year did that start?

Community Organizer (with-no-desire-to-govern, little-care-for-high-unemployment, no-talent-for-leadership,-zero-desire-to-compromise-and-a-lust-for-making-my-enemies-pay) Obama

March 26th, 2013
3:20 pm

Regnac,

I suppose “consent,” but it would mean less and less the more you destroy the institution and the more you dismiss out-of-hand the inherent cultural and religious ties. Gays are turning it into a sort of coming-out-of-the-closet graduation celebration.

What it would become in say, 50 years is anyone’s guess.

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
3:20 pm

the latter is like Charlie Brown’s teacher talking to me

I hear ya. I couldn’t let that nonsense about–oh, heck, let’s quote him again:

The media sweeps under the rug many child molestation’s because it may offend the homosexual community.

I guess there’s a bit of a half-truth in there–obviously, there have been tragic incidents of of child molestation that have been covered up, probably for as long as child molestation has been considered a Bad Thing.

But this notion that it’s “because it may offend the homosexual community”? I wasn’t going to let that heaping pile of bullsh-t go unsmelt.

I do like how our winner of the Stupidest Troll-Handle-on-the-Planet Award[1] jumped to his defense, though.

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1. Yes, I made that up. There is no such award, actually. But maybe there should be.

TBS

March 26th, 2013
3:21 pm

TC

Or New Testament for that matter? My apologies, I missed the Romans passage that you had in your post

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 26th, 2013
3:24 pm

I think the Book of Romans is Paul talking to Rome and trying to convert them to his beliefs. In Roman society, being Gay was not frowned upon and was considered normal. Paul was just trying to put his beliefs and agendas on them. Paul said homosexuality was bad…not Christ. Gotta remember that Paul was just, in essence, a door to door Bible thumper…

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
3:25 pm

Paul wrote Romans…..

Not the big kahuna

Community Organizer (with-no-desire-to-govern, little-care-for-high-unemployment, no-talent-for-leadership,-zero-desire-to-compromise-and-a-lust-for-making-my-enemies-pay) Obama

March 26th, 2013
3:26 pm

ATL Tiger,

The government can’t just cork the bottle, and anyway, the government has an interest in the next generation of adults. They need to be raised responsibly, and they need to be emotionally strong and capable people. There’s no denying that a conjugal union of man and woman becoming a mother and a father is the best family to encourage this outcome. Society needs marriage much more than families need our complex society.

Besides, every historical institution, including all past governments, churches and kingdoms recognized marriage. No one has ever officially stated that a relationship other than one man and one woman was worth official sanction, and the truth is, it’s not worth it because it destroys the valuable ideal.

Jerome Horwitz

March 26th, 2013
3:27 pm

Sorry TBG – Anything but lazy. It’s just that I find it hard to fathom that a group that has had to struggle and fight for equality (and continue to fight), African-Americans, would be so quick to deny rights to another minority. Same arguements made in both cases.

TBS

March 26th, 2013
3:28 pm

“it’s not worth it because it destroys the valuable ideal.”

So less straight people will get married if gays can legally marry?

Will there be more gay people?

What are you saying exactly?

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2013
3:28 pm

“Why is the Government involved in Marriage at all? That’s the real questing surrounding “Marriage Equality.””

Nope. The REAL question is why religion is involved in the marriage BUSINESS. Marriage is a legal contract, not a religious one. Don’t believe me? Go ask your preacher if you would still be legally married if he didn’t sign that marriage LICENSE.

Community Organizer (with-no-desire-to-govern, little-care-for-high-unemployment, no-talent-for-leadership,-zero-desire-to-compromise-and-a-lust-for-making-my-enemies-pay) Obama

March 26th, 2013
3:29 pm

normal 324,

Being gay was never ever equated with marriage in any culture. Being gay never threatened to obliterate the extant ideal of marriage.

Paul

March 26th, 2013
3:30 pm

“Following the oral argument, Pete Williams of NBC News reported that it seemed “quite obvious that the U.S. Supreme Court is not prepared to issue any kind of sweeping ruling” declaring that same-sex couples have a constitutional right to marry.”

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/26/17460260-supreme-court-hints-that-it-wont-issue-sweeping-ruling-on-same-sex-marriage?lite

Ah ……….. that pesky Constitution thing.”

Scout, did you even read (or think about) that link?

“It seemed possible the court would not issue any ruling on marriage at all – deciding instead that it had made a mistake in even agreeing to hear the case since the plaintiffs, supporters of Proposition 8, might lack the legal standing to bring the suit.”

Which means the lower court ruling stands. Which means Prop 8 is gone.

indigo

“This might seem surprising considering The New Testament in no possible way could be interpreted as supporting it.

However, today’s Christians are champions of cherry picking and actually think it’s a good thing.”

Did you miss this from earlier?

http://x70.xanga.com/f018463225db8282213520/b224941734.png

Now, I realize you said “New Testament” but the Judaic customs on marriage, as well as several other cultures, were still everyday things. So… you got a verse somewhere where all those old forms were done away with and someone with the authority to speak the will of God to the new converts said “forget everything else about marriage. Now it’s one man, one woman, period.”

And if you remarry because of you couldn’t get along, or because of spouse abuse, then you’re an adulterer, remember?

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 26th, 2013
3:30 pm

Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can’t I own a Canadian?

Paul

March 26th, 2013
3:31 pm

indigo

Make that “And if you divorce because of you couldn’t get along, or because of spouse abuse, then remarry, then you’re an adulterer, remember?

JamVet

March 26th, 2013
3:32 pm

They want the same rights of any other person.

No sirree, we can’t have that! Maybe in Iran, but not here!

Who knows what would come next if we go down that slippery slope?!

Constitutional protections for goats, cows, pigs, pedophiles and corporations???

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
3:32 pm

C. O. — “Besides, every historical institution, including all past governments, churches and kingdoms recognized marriage. No one has ever officially stated that a relationship other than one man and one woman was worth official sanction”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_same-sex_marriage#Ancient_times

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
3:32 pm

heathen

you’d never get them to give up their canadian healthcare…

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
3:33 pm

Can’t I own a Canadian?

You mean this rotgut? Your money, your choice.

ATL Tiger

March 26th, 2013
3:33 pm

“The government can’t just cork the bottle, and anyway, the government has an interest in the next generation of adults. They need to be raised responsibly, and they need to be emotionally strong and capable people.”

Last time I checked, it’s not the Governments responsibility to make sure people are ‘raised’ responsibly, it’s families.

Also, I’m suggesting that the Government should not be involved in marriage, not churches. Those who wish to continue to formalize marriage in a religious manner would do just like they do today. Why does the Government need to be involved?

Paul

March 26th, 2013
3:34 pm

Granny

Actually, there’s a lot of stuff people think Paul wrote that he didn’t. And a lot of books he wrote had lots of ‘edits’ put in by later copyists. Even way back then there were forgeries and eliminations and additions by various factions pushing their social and theological agendas.

And many of today’s Christians think it all came about as Jesus told the guys whose letters bear their names what to say, word by word.

skydog

March 26th, 2013
3:35 pm

Can sinners make smores in hell?
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“mallowdogs” will be easy.

DownInAlbany

March 26th, 2013
3:35 pm

The gun store owner thwarted Mr. Kelly’s attempt to show how easy it was to purchase an “assault weapon” and the libs are all up in arms. Priceless!

That Black Guy

March 26th, 2013
3:35 pm

USinUK … donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
10:36 am
“He just has a low tolerance for bigots and fools.”

I calls it ZBT

Zero Bullspit Tolerance.
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So why nary a word about the Black “bigots” who are NOT republicians, but OPPOSE gay marrage?

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
3:36 pm

skipper: I wasn’t chastising you lol. I just didn’t want to “go there” when asking my question. Many Hollywood couples adopt and since I don’t follow Hollywood gossip I don’t know. Hell I had to google Scout Willis to even know who she was. Just damn, who names a girl Scout? Didn’t MJ name one of his supposed children Blanket? Hollyweirdo’s………

As for grilling: Moonbat Betty is one of the eggsperts on that. I’m still learning. Think I’ll do some wings this weekend………….

Oh wait it’s Easter. I guess I need to see what the girls want.

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 26th, 2013
3:36 pm

CO,
You confuse marriage with religion. Marriage is a man and a woman, a man and a man, or a woman and a woman, publicly declaring their love for one another to whomever would witness it. Marriage is an act of love, not religion…and to my way of thinking, love is what we need a lot more of…sprinkled liberally with understanding.

Community Organizer (with-no-desire-to-govern, little-care-for-high-unemployment, no-talent-for-leadership,-zero-desire-to-compromise-and-a-lust-for-making-my-enemies-pay) Obama

March 26th, 2013
3:36 pm

TBS,

Marriage is one thing. It promotes too many things to here name. If you change the very meaning of the word, it will lose its significance. For many gays, the “right” to marriage is an adult thing. It’s clearly about them. But marriage has ever been something else. It is about adults, but not about the generation being married, because it points to the next generation, the need for children who grow into mature adults to have been raised by a mother and a father.

Where changing that ideal will lead is anyone’s guess.

Whether or not, as you say, fewer men will choose to marry women, I do not know.

What I do know is that if you change the meaning of the word and change the ideals it embodies, you will encourage a change in human behavior–one that I suspect will not be so beneficial.

Maybe you could help me. Why is it that gays want “marriage” per se? In what way are they harmed by not having access to it? I would genuinely like to know.

I hear talk of “equality”, but we’re not talking anything material here, so far as I can tell. It seems like the capricious social engineering effort of our times.

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
3:37 pm

Paul

Yep…I am aware of all that….

I’m of the school of thought that St Paul himself was a homosexual.

Paul

March 26th, 2013
3:37 pm

Community Organizer

” “Besides, every historical institution, including all past governments, churches and kingdoms recognized marriage. No one has ever officially stated that a relationship other than one man and one woman was worth official sanction””

As JHM indicated, that may be a nice comment for a Sunday school class, but not in a history class.

When you’re dealing with thousands of years of history and hear something treated in broad absolutes, it’s a pretty good bet the statement is false. Well-intentioned, maybe, but false, nevertheless.

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 26th, 2013
3:39 pm

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
3:37 pm

Not sure about Paul, but I’d bet my eye teeth that Peter was…

ATL Tiger

March 26th, 2013
3:40 pm

“Nope. The REAL question is why religion is involved in the marriage BUSINESS. Marriage is a legal contract, not a religious one. Don’t believe me? Go ask your preacher if you would still be legally married if he didn’t sign that marriage LICENSE.”

And Marriage is defined in multiple religions as a divinely instituted covenant. My point is exactly what you say that marriage has a LICENSE. Why not scratch that. Have only civil unions with contract law for the STATE, and if you are religious and wish to make that convenant with your God, then pursue that availability.

TBS

March 26th, 2013
3:40 pm

“If you change the very meaning of the word, it will lose its significance.”

In whose mind? Your own and others who are against it?

indigo

March 26th, 2013
3:40 pm

Granny – 3:19

It must be a blast in your Sunday school class as you and the rest cherry pick to your little heart’s content.

Paul

March 26th, 2013
3:40 pm

Granny

I thought you were, but your comment made a good springboard for an expansion on the topic.

Community Organizer

” But marriage has ever been something else. It is about adults, but not about the generation being married, because it points to the next generation, the need for children who grow into mature adults to have been raised by a mother and a father.

Where changing that ideal will lead is anyone’s guess. ”

Doesn’t it seem to you that letting infertile heterosexuals marry defeats the ideal of which you speak?

The Sophist-icated Republican

March 26th, 2013
3:41 pm

And many of today’s Christians think it all came about as Jesus told the guys whose letters bear their names what to say, word by word.

WHAT! They’re NOT original words straight from Jesus’s lips to parchment! My GOD, man! What next. Whatever you do, do NOT let this information get out to the general Christian public. It would devastate them. Keep it locked up… in a closet perhaps.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 26th, 2013
3:41 pm

In what way are they harmed by not having access to it?

Covered here many, many, many times

I would genuinely like to know.

I’m sure you already know as this has been discussed before with another of your sock-puppets.

Now go to Town and Crier in your beer.

Community Organizer (with-no-desire-to-govern, little-care-for-high-unemployment, no-talent-for-leadership,-zero-desire-to-compromise-and-a-lust-for-making-my-enemies-pay) Obama

March 26th, 2013
3:41 pm

Normal,

You use a straw-man argument to state what I did not say.

Marriage is trans-cultural, trans-religious and universal. They have weddings in China, though there is no state religion. Your point makes no sense.

A marriage is not an act of love. A wedding is symbolic of a marriage and is celebrated because it is the beginning of a lifetime of love.

I fail to see how having weddings will entice gay people to be more loving.

Are you saying that without their “marriage” license from the government, they are left out of loving relationships?

Are you saying that the government forcing judges and churches into marrying gay people will generate more goodwill in the world?

TBS

March 26th, 2013
3:41 pm

TC

I’m out for awhile. You and your socks keep the charade going……….

You can’t hide forever

Towncrier

March 26th, 2013
3:41 pm

“What is maybe worse than destroying marriage is the condemnation of the wisdom from which it comes–one sees such behavior in the trashing of the Bible and the dismissal of human history, including especially Christian history.”

There is either a God or there is not. Period. And He is either the God of the Bible or He is not. Period. Every position flows from these dichotomies. Life freed from troubles, as we all know, is immeasurably good and wonderful. What many people fail to understand is that God is first and foremost love and wants everyone to be in heaven. But He cannot compromise Himself by dwelling with destructive and subversive behavior (just like parents cannot abide an abusive, harmful, alcoholic, disrespectful adult child in their home). People who do not seek to understand who God really is will never learn to love Him. And so they will never learn to do things His way, the way things operate perfectly. Consequently they will one day find themselves in Hell, not because God hated them but because they distrusted or hated Him and never discovered what He is really like so to trust Him. They will not be punished eternally there, but only for awhile in restitution for the harm they did others. Then they will cease to exist. And that I think will be the very worst part about Hell: seeing what you missed out on – not just a passage of life without trouble, but an eternity of such life; what you could have had and forfeited. The Bible implies that everyone’s name is written in the Book of Life at first (upon birth and up to the age of accountability), but then many names are blotted out in time.

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 26th, 2013
3:41 pm

you’d never get them to give up their canadian healthcare…

Because it’s free and all.

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
3:43 pm

and the libs are all up in arms.

Since it seems so important to you that it is “priceless”, could you define what “all up in arms” means in this context?

Curious Observer

March 26th, 2013
3:43 pm

I, aka CO on this blog, hereby publicly proclaim that I am not responsible for any utterances that Community Organizer, carelessly referred to as CO on today’s blog, makes.

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 26th, 2013
3:43 pm

Are you saying that the government forcing judges and churches into marrying gay people …

Be dragging them in off the streets, they will.

Regnad Kcin

March 26th, 2013
3:44 pm

“the more you destroy the institution”

More marriages = stronger institution.

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
3:45 pm

Because it’s free and all.

Who here has claimed that Canada’s single-payer health insurance system is “free”?

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
3:45 pm

DownInAlbany

March 26th, 2013
3:35 pm

The gun store owner thwarted Mr. Kelly’s attempt to show how easy it was to purchase an “assault weapon” and the libs are all up in arms. Priceless!
+++++++++++++++++++++++
Nope. You Foxbots are. No one but you idiots has even brought it up. But since it’s about the third time we know what the talk radio/FOXBOT talking point is.

Oh wait, I forgot. NONE of you listen to talk radio idiots or watch Fox. You just all three happened to think about the same thing and toss it out at the same time.

Just damn. Could you at least read what’s going on here before you post the stupidity? It would help you to NOT look so mindlessly stupid.

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
3:47 pm

Are you saying that the government forcing judges and churches into marrying gay people will generate more goodwill in the world?

You can’t force a minister into marrying a gay couple you insipid, poor excuse for even a tiny little man.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 26th, 2013
3:47 pm

Gun store halts Mark Kelly’s rifle purchase…

drudgey spam.

Paul

March 26th, 2013
3:48 pm

3:41

:-)

indigo spoke of libs cherry-picking. I think most who adhere to the Christian faith cherry-pick all the time and are quite comfortable with it. Was at the gym the other day, discussing some point of theology with a friend, when she said ‘well, you know, some people think the resurrection is a real, literal thing, can you believe it?” I didn’t want to get bogged down or I’d have asked her about the couple-thoiusand years’ foundation of current Christian thought from the Nicene creed, which many faiths repeat on a regular basis, with that very point as a critical element. I’ve been struck by the number of people who say “well, I go along with this, but not with that.”

It’d be nice if they’d be as accepting of others who don’t fit their belief system as they are accepting of themselves when they disregard something important to others of their faith.

Regnad Kcin

March 26th, 2013
3:48 pm

“I, aka CO on this blog, hereby publicly proclaim that I am not responsible for any utterances that Community Organizer, carelessly referred to as CO on today’s blog, makes”

I regret any confusion my previous ill-thought comment may have caused.

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
3:48 pm

the government forcing judges and churches into marrying gay people will generate more goodwill in the world?

Holy Crap.

Seriously, “Community Organizer”? Are you this f-cking stupid, do you REALLY, REALLY think that clergymen are going to be FORCED to perform same-sex marriage ceremonies if marriage equality happens?

Really?

I don’t think I’ve ever encountered anyone, online or in real life, willing to confirm that they were quite THAT ignorant. It’d be a real treat if you could change that.

Bernie

March 26th, 2013
3:49 pm

godless heathen – owner of many things he does not need :2:56 pm

Lol! I like that one! ;) pretty good…but they also have a sale on POOPER SCOOPERS too! there is a lot to be picked up around here.

Paul

March 26th, 2013
3:49 pm

indigo

I read your original comment and misrepresented what you wrote. I believe you were referring to many members of a religious group, not to liberals or conservatives.

Community Organizer (with-no-desire-to-govern, little-care-for-high-unemployment, no-talent-for-leadership,-zero-desire-to-compromise-and-a-lust-for-making-my-enemies-pay) Obama

March 26th, 2013
3:50 pm

Atl Tiger,

It’s the family’s responsibility to make sure that kids are raised correctly, sure.

But ask Prez Obama who is responsible for ensuring “fairness” or ask Michelle who she thinks is responsible for telling American children what to eat. The government has an interest in ensuring that marriage is kept especial just as the public has an interest in keeping pornography off the airwaves or in keeping heroin out of our schools.

If you reduce the number of married couples, you increase the burden on government, you increase the poverty rate, and you increase the burden on government.

If government can encourage married couples to do the heavy lifting of a society, that is, to raise the next generation responsibly, then you’ll have a better society.

Towncrier

March 26th, 2013
3:50 pm

“Since when is the US law bound by the Old Testament writings? What year did that start?”

If the Biblical God exists, the US Constitution will be immaterial on the last day. Secondly, contradictory interpretations of the Constitution have been made not by people like you and me, but by the SCOTUS itself. And I think it is safe to say that a number of SC opinions are tied more to the general consensus of the people than what the Constitution may be fairly interpreted to mean from textual and historical evidence. If gay marriage is one day seen as a federally protected right, it will not be because the Constitution explicitly provides for it. It will be nothing more than an inference that curiously mirrors the perceived sentiment of the people. The Bible has a phrase for that kind of reading: twisting words.

Steve (original)

March 26th, 2013
3:50 pm

I love reading the homophobic comments. It really shows how ignorant, uninformed and how stupid some people are. And some people are really, truly just plain ###holes.

Not at this Time

March 26th, 2013
3:50 pm

Our country is going to H _ _ _ in a handbasket!! And no, I am not a Republican, and No – I am not old!!

Our country was founded upon Christian principles and it should remain such. While religion was allowed and currently is allowed openly and freely for all beliefs – our country should never IMPOSE anything such as this onto the masses. Put it up for a vote and let’s see where it stands.

I have known several homosexuals – and none of them were “born” that way!! Indeed, they all say that is a huge farce in their community. That most of the time it is someone older and preys upon vulnerable people who are weak and draw them into that lifestyle. While I don’t know if this is true or not I do know one thing: These so called “surveys” are bogus. What happened with Chick Fil A? Chick Fil A had their most financially prosperous day during the so-called “Gay picketing Day against Chick Fil A.” America spoke! And there is no doubt that if this were put to a vote – nationwide – that homosexuals would lose!! Afterall they represent 3-5% max in this country.

There have already been many scientific and socio-economic studies completed proving that children are better raised by a “father and a mother.” Indeed, some gay men claim to be gay because “they had no father in their lives.”

My biggest concern is the children. Children do not ask to be born into this world and if we can give them the very best shot at a “wholesome great life” – then by golly they deserve it. Let homosexuals continue to live their sexual fantasies in the privacy of their own homes – as many others do I am sure. There is absolutely no need to put upon the rest of America – in your face – these events.

For something as serious as this I pray our Supreme Court decides against it – or at the very least tables it for a vote BY ALL AMERICANS!!

As far as equal rights goes – a huge number are indeed covered by their employer’s health care already – and no company may discriminate based on sex (those laws are in place). I have hired homosexuals numerous times and they deserve the same respect in the workplace as anyone else does. However, to push “their lifestyle” onto children and the general public is all out wrong. America is going to become another Sodom and Gomorrah. While, yes, that is just my opinion – then what is wrong with having a “National Vote” on this one???? I don’t believe 3-5% want that…

John Buck

March 26th, 2013
3:51 pm

Liberals discussing biblical matters is like a conscientious objector discussing military strategy.

Steve (original)

March 26th, 2013
3:51 pm

Ahem – our country was founded by Deists and JESUS is nowhere in our Constitution. And yes, gays are BORN THAT WAY.

Brosephus™

March 26th, 2013
3:52 pm

If I remember correctly Mr. Kelly said he was going to give the rifle to some police organization after he demonstrated how easy it was for him to purchase it. Therefore it was a “straw purchase”.

It’s a straw purchase only if the law enforcement agency provided the funds for Mr. Kelly to purchase the rifle knowing that he would give it to them afterwards.

————-

dB

These trolls come here and say outlandish sh*t because they know someone will respond. If you ignore them, they will disappear. That’s why I scroll them regardless to what they say. I’ve started scrolling regulars who do the same crap just to start sh*t.

JamVet

March 26th, 2013
3:52 pm

Now go to Town and Crier in your beer.

Silly trolls…

“Many of those people involved in Adolf Hitler were Satanists, many of them were homosexuals – the two things seem to go together.” ~Pat Robertson

Welcome to the Christian Freak Show Hour…

DownInAlbany

March 26th, 2013
3:52 pm

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
3:45 pm

As usual, you name-call like a 3rd grade girl. I’m at work today. Yes, I have looked at foxnews.com, along witht he Huffpost, nytimes and others. If you didn’t spend every waking minute licking Jay’s boots, you might see some real news.

ps I know what the subject matter of today’s conservative bash parade (umm, blog) is. But, like every day, by this time, it’s digressed into a free-for-all, recipe-sharing, bring-your-own-subject escapade.

Community Organizer (with-no-desire-to-govern, little-care-for-high-unemployment, no-talent-for-leadership,-zero-desire-to-compromise-and-a-lust-for-making-my-enemies-pay) Obama

March 26th, 2013
3:52 pm

stands,

Sounds like you aren’t standing for decibels but hopping mad for them. Does it please you to behave so?

I was asking a hypothetical.

If there are gay marriages would there be more goodwill in the world? You can leave out the “forced” from the question if you like.

Steve (original)

March 26th, 2013
3:52 pm

I wouldn’t want right wing redneck regressive Confederates to push their “lifestyle” or “agenda” on my children, either. But they can, as this is a free country, RIGHT?

Regnad Kcin

March 26th, 2013
3:53 pm

“ask Michelle who she thinks is responsible for telling American children what to eat.”

Your assertion that the First Lady should somehow not promote healthy eating habits in children is wildly farcical, and suggests a severe case of ODS – please contact your doctor immediately!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 26th, 2013
3:53 pm

I have known several homosexuals – and none of them were “born” that way!!

Are you saying they made a conscious choice to be gay?

If so, when exactly, did you choose to be straight?

That Black Guy

March 26th, 2013
3:53 pm

Peter

March 26th, 2013
10:49 am
“Be proud of how God made you.”

YUP God created gays …….just like he created Republican’s.
_______________________
And the 48% of Blacks (who I doubt are republicians) that oppose gay marrage.

JamVet

March 26th, 2013
3:54 pm

Curious Observer, not to worry.

You make a lot of sense.

That gasbag of a troll? Precious little…

Regnad Kcin

March 26th, 2013
3:54 pm

“If you reduce the number of married couples, you increase the burden on government, you increase the poverty rate, and you increase the burden on government.”

Thank you, CommOrg, for you admission that gay marriage is good for society.

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
3:55 pm

I was asking a hypothetical.

no you weren’t, you could not have been more specific. You toss sh-t out there and act all butthurt when you’re called out.

Puh-thetic.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
3:55 pm

C. O. — “A marriage is not an act of love. A wedding is symbolic of a marriage and is celebrated because it is the beginning of a lifetime of love.”

A marriage is what the two people involved say it is. Your definition is not necessarily binding on anyone other than yourself.

“I fail to see how having weddings will entice gay people to be more loving.”

I fail to see what business of yours anyone else’s marriage is. You certainly weren’t in the room when my wife and I got hitched, so what’s it to you?

Community Organizer (with-no-desire-to-govern, little-care-for-high-unemployment, no-talent-for-leadership,-zero-desire-to-compromise-and-a-lust-for-making-my-enemies-pay) Obama

March 26th, 2013
3:55 pm

Steve 350,

Thanks for that.

Do we augment the scroll of evidence concerning the goodwill of gay marriage with ###?

Paul

March 26th, 2013
3:57 pm

Towncrier

“There is either a God or there is not. Period. And He is either the God of the Bible or He is not. Period. Every position flows from these dichotomies.”

Do you understand that after you set up this ‘either-or’ situation you proceeded to give a conservative Protestant view of doctrine? At odds with many other views of doctrine held by other Christians?

Which leads them to say, as you did earlier “either Towncrier is right on his interpretation of what Christianity is all about, or he’s not. And if he’s not….”

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
3:57 pm

indigo

March 26th, 2013
3:40 pm
Granny – 3:19

It must be a blast in your Sunday school class as you and the rest cherry pick to your little heart’s content.
.
.
.
so not too different from yours then.

I consider your interpretation of the words of my buddy JC
to be using the lords name in vain AND putting false gods before him too.

Sinner! Cast thine eyes downward….

Steve (original)

March 26th, 2013
3:57 pm

I rest my case.

Steve (original)

March 26th, 2013
3:58 pm

I don’t like fat redneck white trash people at Walmart! I don’t like their lifestyle! THey make me uncomfortable! THey are not like ME! Let’s shove them in the closet so I can feel ok!

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
3:58 pm

Not — “Our country was founded upon Christian principles”

Fortunately, my Constutution is 100% jebus-free.

Community Organizer (with-no-desire-to-govern, little-care-for-high-unemployment, no-talent-for-leadership,-zero-desire-to-compromise-and-a-lust-for-making-my-enemies-pay) Obama

March 26th, 2013
4:00 pm

Towncrier,

I think that many of God’s commands are both for our personal benefit AND for society’s benefit. Marriage is clearly one of those commands for Christians.

For everyone else (and if I try and divorce myself from Christian thought for the sake of argument), the answer to me ought to be DUH! Of course marriage is a valuable historical institution without which we could never have evolved into advanced societies and without which we will never be able to sustain them.

If you’re looking for capriciousness in modern society, you certainly brought your time machine to the right century.

Steve (original)

March 26th, 2013
4:00 pm

Our Constitution clearly states that we are a country where ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL. When will we grasp that in our collective consciousness? Didn’t we learn anything from ending slavery, allowing women to vote, and allowing interracial marriage?

St Simons- Cons - privatizimg the public & publicizing your privates since 1980

March 26th, 2013
4:00 pm

the average ‘merkan appears to have awakened somewhat,
and is not buyin the bag o fertilizer yer sellin anymore, Fundies.

but they’re havin’ an skeer-you apocalypse/day on History Channel
so knock yoself out.

The Sophist-icated Republican

March 26th, 2013
4:00 pm

If the Biblical God exists, the US Constitution will be immaterial on the last day.

Then I propose a compromise. You can have your way on the last day.

Paul

March 26th, 2013
4:00 pm

John Buck (afraid to use his usual name)

“Liberals discussing biblical matters is like a conscientious objector discussing military strategy.”

Yeah, Alvin York was real bad at military strategy and seeing how to exploit a weakness in enemy defenses, wasn’t he?

Steve (original)

March 26th, 2013
4:01 pm

Christians, if you want to have a heterosexual marriage, have one! If you want to join a church that only performs heterosexual marriages, have at it! Nobody is stopping you.

Community Organizer (with-no-desire-to-govern, little-care-for-high-unemployment, no-talent-for-leadership,-zero-desire-to-compromise-and-a-lust-for-making-my-enemies-pay) Obama

March 26th, 2013
4:02 pm

Steve 358,

I’ll add THAT to the roll of evidence that would prove that gays might view marriage as about them and how they feel wronged, rather than a solemn institution founded to encourage the next generation, OK?

Thanks,

CO

Paul

March 26th, 2013
4:02 pm

Brosephus

” I’ve started scrolling regulars who do the same crap just to start sh*t.”

You turning in your EOI card?

Just don’t trade it in for a “I’m a manly man ’cause I have a Bushmaster!” card….

Community Organizer (with-no-desire-to-govern, little-care-for-high-unemployment, no-talent-for-leadership,-zero-desire-to-compromise-and-a-lust-for-making-my-enemies-pay) Obama

March 26th, 2013
4:03 pm

Steve,

If you want to found a church that marries gays, please, be my guest. I’ll sell you the land.

St Simons- Cons - privatizimg the public & publicizing your privates since 1980

March 26th, 2013
4:03 pm

Rush Limbaugh, the ‘titular head’ of the Republican pahhty (his words)
said today,
completely without a sense of Irony
“Lesbians are obese substance abusers…”

heheheh

Matti

March 26th, 2013
4:04 pm

A marriage is only as sacred and holy as the least-invested party thinks it is. Anyone who opposes gay marriage should simply oppose ALL marriage licenses issued by the states, as those licenses carry with them an inherent sets of rights. That way, nobody gets them, and we are all equal under the law. Then you can have whatever church you choose to join do whatever feel-good ritual your church of choice performs, and the congregation members can carry on with the gluttony, gossip, and sporadic adultery as usual.

Steve (original)

March 26th, 2013
4:04 pm

I can’t wait until White Fundamentalist Christians are soon to be a minority (we’ll be outnumbered by Hispanic Catholics very soon). Then, you will understand what it’s like to be a minority and all that goes with that. Payback is a Bi$%^

Paul

March 26th, 2013
4:05 pm

St Simon

Rush came out of the closet?!!?

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
4:05 pm

John Buck

March 26th, 2013
3:51 pm

Liberals discussing biblical matters is like a conscientious objector discussing military strategy.
+++++++++++++++++++++

Jesus was a liberal. But then he’s not good enough to be in your Baptist Church……

Towncrier

March 26th, 2013
4:05 pm

“I have known several homosexuals – and none of them were “born” that way!!”

There is simply no scientific evidence to suggest they are. But, because homosexual inclinations arise in childhood (frequently because of sexual abuse and other environmental factors) and they are real and do not seem to be chosen, it is a way of abdicating responsibility to argue one is born that way. I think the majority of prostitutes were sexually abused as children. This is a great evil and disposes these women towards very destructive life styles. But they were not born prostitutes. It is very hard to overcome the evil influences in some of our childhoods. But that doesn’t mean it cannot be done, anymore that it means Helen Keller should have died a recluse without ever learning to overcome her very great disabilities. Similarly, alcoholism is NOT a disease. It is a mode of behavior one falls into and can have great difficulty getting out of.

Steve (original)

March 26th, 2013
4:06 pm

@ Community

The United Church of Christ (which used to be the Puritans, then the Congregrationalists in New England), were the first church to perform gay marriages, decades ago. They were also the first church to allow women pastors. They are in every single town in New England.

But hey, you probably live under some rock in Confederateville, USA, and have no clue…

Community Organizer (with-no-desire-to-govern, little-care-for-high-unemployment, no-talent-for-leadership,-zero-desire-to-compromise-and-a-lust-for-making-my-enemies-pay) Obama

March 26th, 2013
4:07 pm

A marriage is what the two people involved say it is. Your definition is not necessarily binding on anyone other than yourself.

Joe,

If that were the current definition of marriage, then we wouldn’t be having this discussion now. You know this.

The reason we are having this discussion is that marriage is a specific thing that I have here outlined and described at length. Again……. it is an institution under assault over a battle for its meaning and its significance and its uniqueness.

Steve (original)

March 26th, 2013
4:07 pm

Regnad Kcin

March 26th, 2013
4:07 pm

““There is either a God or there is not. Period. And He is either the God of the Bible or He is not. Period. Every position flows from these dichotomies.”

So, there is a one-in-four chance of there being a biblical god?

The Sophist-icated Republican

March 26th, 2013
4:07 pm

Some people are just born towncriers. Or so I’ve heard.

Towncrier

March 26th, 2013
4:08 pm

“Our Constitution clearly states that we are a country where ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL.”

It does no such thing.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 26th, 2013
4:09 pm

…alcoholism is NOT a disease.

Aaaaannnnnnnnnnnnddddd there’s your sign.

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
4:09 pm

As usual, you name-call like a 3rd grade girl. I’m at work today. Yes, I have looked at foxnews.com, along witht he Huffpost, nytimes and others. If you didn’t spend every waking minute licking Jay’s boots, you might see some real news.

ps I know what the subject matter of today’s conservative bash parade (umm, blog) is. But, like every day, by this time, it’s digressed into a free-for-all, recipe-sharing, bring-your-own-subject escapade.

Name calling? You hypocrite. How DARE anyone treat you as you treat others right? You started with confrontational name calling and when you got called to the carpet for repeating the days ignorant irrelevant nonsensical FOXBOT crap you double down on the stupid and the name calling. you really need to stick to the liar Kyle’s place where he let’s you folks get away with that while shunning folks like me who take you to task for your duplicity.

If I were like you, a mindless puppet who repeats the days talking points from some uneducated jack holes on a talk show, I think I would stick a gun in my mouth and pull the trigger. Tell me, who DO you do it?

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
4:10 pm

Community Organizer (with-no-desire-to-govern, little-care-for-high-unemployment, no-talent-for-leadership,-zero-desire-to-compromise-and-a-lust-for-making-my-enemies-pay) Obama

March 26th, 2013
4:10 pm

Steve 406,

Then there you have it. You can get married. I’m glad for you.

Would someone please inform me how gays are harmed currently by not being licensed to marry in most states? (You are invited to explain this too, if you want Steve).

Just so I’m clear, is my abode–the rock to which you refer–somehow not tolerated by your umm…..great example of tolerance?

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
4:11 pm

C. O. — “Joe, If that were the current definition of marriage, then we wouldn’t be having this discussion now. You know this.”

What I *know* is that you’re not in any position to make a credible assertion of what marriage is to the rest of the country, let alone the regulars on this board. Your claims about “the current definition of marriage” are quite beside the point.

“The reason we are having this discussion is that marriage is a specific thing that I have here outlined and described at length.”

No, you appear to have outlined and described at length what you would *like* for it to be. Nothing more.

“Again……. it is an institution under assault over a battle for its meaning and its significance and its uniqueness.”

So *you* say. I reject your claim.

Matti

March 26th, 2013
4:11 pm

Towncrier: Re: “born that way”

So what if it WERE a choice? Being a ayyy-hole is a choice, and ayyyy-holes are allowed to marry. Furthermore, they ruin many lives when they do so, including and especially their own offspring.

Did you have an actual point?

Paul

March 26th, 2013
4:12 pm

Towncrier

““I have known several homosexuals – and none of them were “born” that way!!”

There is simply no scientific evidence to suggest they are.

You’re about to get the Kamchak Award.

Google is your friend: just type in “studies showing genetic predispositon to homosexuality” and skip all the stuff that isn’t from a peer-reviewed or medical journal.

Something else to consider: you’re setting this up as an ‘either-or’ situation when both situations can be true. For some it may have a nongenetic basis, for others it may not. But to accept that there might be some with a genetic causation rather cuts the legs out from under your argument, doesn’t it?

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
4:13 pm

Then, you will understand what it’s like to be a minority and all that goes with that.

I’m a white man living in Atlanta. I see it every day.

Gale

March 26th, 2013
4:13 pm

CO,
Pay attention in the case to be heard tomorrow in the Supreme Court and you may learn something about how gays are harmed by not being allowed to marry.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 26th, 2013
4:13 pm

“Arizona gun shop won’t sell assault weapon to Mark Kelly”

Los Angeles Times spam

The Sophist-icated Republican

March 26th, 2013
4:14 pm

St Simons- Cons - privatizimg the public & publicizing your privates since 1980

March 26th, 2013
4:15 pm

they use that term “natural law” to sound pseudo-sciency to the rubes,
to contort that no one is born that way, it’s a choice. Apparently, that
is a big deal for some reason in the ever-shrinking gene pool
Fundie circle-jerk. What the hell does that matter if its a choice or not?

Some people choose to be jerks, and they get married all the time.

Don’t get me wrong cons, keep it up, whatevah hastens your extinction.

Brosephus™

March 26th, 2013
4:15 pm

Paul

Well, I did state a while back that I was growing tired of the crap here. I can’t deal with stupidity that much anymore.

Towncrier

March 26th, 2013
4:15 pm

“Sorry Towncrier, you can’t be more incorrect”

I see. You consider an unsigned Guardian article “scientific evidence” and not a form of propaganda?

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
4:17 pm

T. Crier — “I see. You consider an unsigned Guardian article “scientific evidence” and not a form of propaganda?”

Speaking of evidence, did Eugene Volokh ever get back to you?

Steve (original)

March 26th, 2013
4:17 pm

Brosephus, we do seem to have a disproportionately high number of knuckledraggers posting here, compared to the general population.

Peadawg

March 26th, 2013
4:18 pm

Towncrier
March 26th, 2013
4:08 pm

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

Steve (original)

March 26th, 2013
4:18 pm

Science is no propoganda? Wow, folks, you can read it here, in crazy town blog!

Steve (original)

March 26th, 2013
4:18 pm

sorry, “now”

Paul

March 26th, 2013
4:19 pm

Brosephus

How about then reorienting to engage those with… interesting viewpoints…. to really consider new evidence and reevaluate their positions?

I know, I know… I’ve had all kinds of success with the the last couple of days, haven’t I?

indigo

March 26th, 2013
4:21 pm

Granny – 3:57 “I consider your interpretation of the words of my buddy JC to be taking the Lord’s name in vain AND putting false Gods before him too.

And, that is so convoluted I must ask some good Christian here for a translation.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
4:21 pm

Peadawg — that’s the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.

DownInAlbany

March 26th, 2013
4:22 pm

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
4:09 pm

Hypocrit, eh? Looked in the mirror today? You lambast me for not staying on target? After you wrote commercials for the Green Egg earlier today?

And, then encourage me to commit suicide! Fred, you are a sick, sick LITTLE boy.

Logical Dude

March 26th, 2013
4:23 pm

Wish I had time to post about this:
Summary:

Church = religious ceremony
Justice o’ the peace = Civil ceremony.

No reason that there should be any restrictions on civil unions in the US.
Once that’s done, no reason churches should be made to marry gays, and no reason for churches to be prevented from marrying gays if they want.

It’s all about the freedom here.

DownInAlbany

March 26th, 2013
4:24 pm

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
4:13 pm

I’m a white man living in Atlanta. I see it every day.

Not intended to be a factual statement.

Paul

March 26th, 2013
4:25 pm

Logical Dude

No where, except on certain tv and radio shows, is there talk of churches being made to marry gays.

And currently, those civil unions for straights done by the justice of the peace are referred to as ‘marriages.’

Brosephus™

March 26th, 2013
4:25 pm

Paul

I’ll engage those who really want to be engaged. I won’t jump in the monkey exhibit just to fling feces. I’m sure the crap here will decrease once the changeover happens. I just don’t know if I’ll make it that long.

Regnad Kcin

March 26th, 2013
4:26 pm

“I’m a white man living in Atlanta. I see it every day.

Not intended to be a factual statement.”

You don’t believe Fred is white? Or that he can see? Or that he is living?

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 26th, 2013
4:26 pm

Kelly, who is the husband of former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ), said that he had purchased the rifle to show how easy it was to pass a background check.

With all due respect, Mr. Kelly, if you are a law-abiding citizen, it is supposed to be easy to pass a background check. If you wanted to make a point, you should have bought one on the street without a background check.

indigo

March 26th, 2013
4:27 pm

If gay marriage becomes the law, I just can’t wait for a Minister or Priest to refuse a ceremony and then face a lawsuit from the ACLU and scrutiny from The Justice Department.

Oh joy!!!!

Seeing all of you supporters squirm at trying to assert the right of gay marriage and trying to support ministers and priests at the same time will be a sight to behold.

DownInAlbany

March 26th, 2013
4:27 pm

Regnad Kcin

March 26th, 2013
4:26 pm

I was referring to the “man” part.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 26th, 2013
4:28 pm

I’m a white man living in Atlanta. I see it every day.

Not intended to be a factual statement.

I’ve been to Casa de Fred, so yes he is white, and he lives in a culturally diverse area of Atlanta.

Sport.

Regnad Kcin

March 26th, 2013
4:29 pm

“I was referring to the “man” part.”

Okay, I fell for it…

JamVet

March 26th, 2013
4:30 pm

I think Jay’s premise is correct. In another ten years the gay-bashers in this country are going to be as relevant as the KKK is now.

To be sure, Fred Phelps, the Aryan Nation, the skinheads and other similar groups and churches will still be doing their God Hates F*gs thing, overtly or covertly, but at that point who will care?

The tsunami of justice for all is gonna crush them just like it did the Klan.

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
4:31 pm

indigo

March 26th, 2013
4:21 pm
Granny – 3:57 “I consider your interpretation of the words of my buddy JC to be taking the Lord’s name in vain AND putting false Gods before him too.

And, that is so convoluted I must ask some good Christian here for a translation.
.
.
.
being a christian in good standing…I’ll help you.

Teaching doctrine as being taught by Jesus when in fact it was not
is putting some other individuals interpretation above the word of
Jesus.

That’s two hits……

Put no God before me and Using the lords name in vain.

Not convoluted….

Convoluted is telling poor folks that Jesus stands against homosexuality, when he did not.

St Simons- Cons - privatizimg the public & publicizing your privates since 1980

March 26th, 2013
4:32 pm

‘Granny – 3:57 “I consider your interpretation of the words of my buddy JC to be taking the Lord’s name in vain AND putting false Gods before him too.’

‘And, that is so convoluted I must ask some good Christian here for a translation.’

roughly, it means “fileted on a cedar plank”

Paul

March 26th, 2013
4:33 pm

indigo 4:27

It’s a nonissue. Churches will continue to be free to marry whomever they want and not marry whomever they want. There will be no forcing of a rabbi to marry an Episcopalian couple, an imam to marry a jewish couple, a Catholic priest to marry Southern Baptists.

Brosephus

I see your point. It seems like some of the most virulent cons get some kind of affirmation – like a “everybody hates what I say so I really am a martyr and this is good” from their posting here. There’s no inquiry, no expansion of thought – just a very stunted “I already know all there is to know” attitude.

Towncrier

March 26th, 2013
4:34 pm

“Google is your friend: just type in “studies showing genetic predispositon to homosexuality” and skip all the stuff that isn’t from a peer-reviewed or medical journal.”

Pfftt. If they had hard and irrefutable scientific evidence of that, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. This is NO such hard evidence. Period. Perhaps you ought to consider how many such soft “studies” have been proven wrong over time.

And while you are at it, please provide me with repeatable and verifiable evidence of speciation, the very theoretical bedrock of evolutionary theory. As one scientist has pointed out, if there were every a place to demonstrate speciation in the laboratory (rather than by inferences from little and scattered palaeontological evidence to suit an otherwise unsupported hypothesis), it would be in the field of bacteriology, where “life” is replicated every few hours. And yet, after over a century, no such proof.

“Something else to consider: you’re setting this up as an ‘either-or’ situation when both situations can be true. For some it may have a nongenetic basis, for others it may not. But to accept that there might be some with a genetic causation rather cuts the legs out from under your argument, doesn’t it?”

I and not like you, Paul. I don’t consider all possibilities or interpretations equally valid or likely. From what I can tell, you are willing to entertain all kinds of positions in a kind of free flux conceptual reality. Homosexuality is either genetically determined (in some or all gays) or it is not. Period. You will have to offer irrefutable scientific evidence of the former in order for me to believe it.

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
4:34 pm

oh and indigo

the ACLU is smarter than that…they understand about church and state.

Please note the ACLU supports the Boy Scouts right to be
all hetero,

geez

Regnad Kcin

March 26th, 2013
4:35 pm

“roughly, it means “fileted on a cedar plank””

Mmmmm – how about “roughy, fileted on a cedar plank…”

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
4:35 pm

Hypocrit, eh? Looked in the mirror today? You lambast me for not staying on target? After you wrote commercials for the Green Egg earlier today?

You aren’t very bright are you? I lambasted you for repeating thrice spewed foxbot crap that is dumber than dog crap and irrelevant to ANYTHING ion life except to mindless foxbots.

At least TRY to keep up. As to encouraging you to suicide? Again, try to keep up. What I said was if I was so stupid that I had to come on a website to post meaningless talk radio crap I would kill MYSELF. Also if I couldn’t comprehend the written word any better than you can I would. It would mean I have finally lost all my brains and I wouldn’t want to live like that. Or at least I would hope a friend would kill me for being so stupid. I didn’t say you should. You’ve lived your whole life like this, it’s normal to you. It’s just not an existence I would chose haven’t tasted the smart side of life.

bman.

March 26th, 2013
4:36 pm

I would never put a gay person in my closet.

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
4:37 pm

It’s just not an existence I would chose haven’t tasted the smart side of life.

Should be: Just an existence I wouldn’t choose HAVING tasted the smart side of life lol. Damn typos, they make me look as “bright” as you……..

Regnad Kcin

March 26th, 2013
4:37 pm

“Pfftt. If they had hard and irrefutable scientific evidence of that, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.”

The willful ignorance! It burns!

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
4:37 pm

Fred

ah the cedar plank, the green egg and salmon….

trips my Mr. Gs trigger!

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
4:37 pm

I would never put a gay person in my closet.

Me either. I don’t think it’s even legal lol.

TGT

March 26th, 2013
4:38 pm

Come on libs, being the intellectual giants that you are, I know you have the answers (though these were posed hours ago with very little so far):

Tell us: how would you discriminate and define marriage? Are you going to leave out the polygamists?

Also, tell us: if government laws against private sexual behavior between consenting adults is wrong, will you be marching for the prostitutes next?

Also, tell us: If homosexuality is a genetic unchangeable trait, how is it that many leave their homosexuality behavior? (Including prominent Hollywood types such as Angelina Jolie.)

Also, tell us: Upon what moral code do you deem homosexuality “right? Why is it “wrong” to define marriage as a union of one man and one woman? What moral standard are you using to reach your conclusions?

DoggoneGA

March 26th, 2013
4:38 pm

“Have only civil unions with contract law for the STATE, and if you are religious and wish to make that convenant with your God, then pursue that availability”

The main reason for not going that route is that it would require the passing and/or amendment of a vast number of laws that refer to marriage. It will be easier and “cleaner” to simply apply the equal rights amendment to those laws and nothing will need to be changed, except to do away with the stupid laws that RESTRICT that legal contract to only a man and a woman.

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
4:38 pm

Towncrier

Pfftt. If they had hard and irrefutable scientific evidence of that, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.”
.
.
.
Hell did anybody ever manage to convince you that blacks weren’t 5/8
of a man and women aren’t 2nd class citizens?

What data did you require?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 26th, 2013
4:39 pm

Economic condom — er, conundrum SHEETZ

Towncrier

March 26th, 2013
4:40 pm

“Speaking of evidence, did Eugene Volokh ever get back to you?”

It wasn’t with Volokh I corresponded. Do you mean Lindgren? If so, he did (as I told you). I just need to make it down to Emory one free day to look up the articles on microfiche. When I am able to verify his findings, I will ask Jay if he won’t forward them to you from me.

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
4:41 pm

Granny G: I’m still learning the egg, but cedar plank salmon IS good. I’ll give you another great way to do it, but I can’t today lol. Gotta go cook.

LUCIFER

March 26th, 2013
4:42 pm

Truth be told, Jesus was a little light in the loafers, err … sandals.

TBS

March 26th, 2013
4:42 pm

Without a doubt the Larry Craig and Ted Haggard types certainly come out when the gay marriage issue is brought up

indigo

March 26th, 2013
4:42 pm

Granny – 4:31

Since I never said Jesus “stands against homosexuality”, your post indicates a sad lack of reading comprehension.

I said The New Testament does not support gay marriage.

Unless, you think only the words of Jesus are what Christians should go by.

Of course, Jesus did say it was agianst nature for men to have long hair. Hard to believe he would ok gay marriage but not long hair on men.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 26th, 2013
4:44 pm

WASHINGTON — “The Supreme Court ruled Tuesday that police cannot bring drug-sniffing police dogs onto a suspect’s property to look for evidence without first getting a warrant for a search, a decision which may limit how investigators use dogs’ sensitive noses to search out drugs, explosives and other items hidden from human sight, sound and smell.”

Hummmmmm ……………….. I wonder what the ruling would have been if it had been an “explosives detection” canine on a suspected white supremist hangout ?

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
4:44 pm

Towncrier — “Do you mean Lindgren?”

Yes.

“If so, he did (as I told you). I just need to make it down to Emory one free day to look up the articles on microfiche.”

And when do you anticipate that will happen, please?

“When I am able to verify his findings, I will ask Jay if he won’t forward them to you from me.”

Good. Because I’m afraid that I’m not going to be able to accept the claims that returning Vietnam veterans were spit on without that documentary evidence he *claims* to have.

Evidence, the double-edged sword.

Regnad Kcin

March 26th, 2013
4:44 pm

” Are you going to leave out the polygamists? ‘

Polygamy, line marriages, and the like are an issue for another day. You are, of course, aware that consenting adults can (and, I’m sure, do) live in these, and many other, arrangements. The issue would be the legal recognition as it affects inheritance, etc.

I’m curious – why do you feel like it’s your business how others choose to live? Do you feel you are better that others in some way, and have the right to condemn those that disagree?

Real Scootter

March 26th, 2013
4:45 pm

I’ll engage those who really want to be engaged. I won’t jump in the monkey exhibit just to fling feces. I’m sure the crap here will decrease once the changeover happens. I just don’t know if I’ll make it that long.

Bro,this blog is what you make of it.I’ve been here today off and on and find these arguements hilarious! It’s kinda like a re-run though.Same ole crap every time Jay mentions Gays. :grin:

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 26th, 2013
4:46 pm

Mohammed rode girls bicycles !

ncgreybr

March 26th, 2013
4:47 pm

Ya gotta love it when someone says “For the record, I do have one or two gay friends, maybe more. What they do and who they love is their business. I just don’t want to be exposed to it nor do I want my kids exposed to it.”

Clue! You DON’T have any gay friends! You may know a couple of gay people at work or have a couple of gay acquaintances, but you don’t have any gay friends. People don’t worry about themselves or their children being “exposed” to their friends. Friends are people you invite to your home and have dinner with. When have you invited your “gay friends” to your house for dinner with your family? When have you gone out to a movie together with your “gay friends”?

I thought so.

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
4:47 pm

Scootter once again dishing the truth lol.

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
4:49 pm

indigo

I’m a Christian…which means the words of Christ are the quideposts I set for my life.

Who’s words do you follow?

DownInAlbany

March 26th, 2013
4:50 pm

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
4:35 pm

And, the Green Egg is relevant to the topic at hand. Got it.

Forgive me, but, I don’t have the time nor inclination to “keep up.” I don’t read every comment on this blog. I jump on every once in a while to get my grins and giggles from you ObamaBots.

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
4:50 pm

<i.Clue! You DON’T have any gay friends! You may know a couple of gay people at work or have a couple of gay acquaintances, but you don’t have any gay friends. People don’t worry about themselves or their children being “exposed” to their friends. Friends are people you invite to your home and have dinner with. When have you invited your “gay friends” to your house for dinner with your family? When have you gone out to a movie together with your “gay friends”?

You nailed it. But there IS another side to that coin. When was the last time my gay friend invited ME to his or her house? Or to a movie? The gay community can be pretty clicquey. Turning down invites and not reciprocating and such……..

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
4:51 pm

And, the Green Egg is relevant to the topic at hand. Got it.

You just can’t cure stupid. Especially for those who don’t want to be cured.

joe

March 26th, 2013
4:51 pm

And America is a capitalistic society, not socialistic…

Brosephus™

March 26th, 2013
4:53 pm

Paul

Now you’re understanding things. I will not feed that monster anymore. I will engage reasoned debate, whether I agree with the person or not. I will not be the wall they get their fecal matter to stick to.

DownInAlbany

March 26th, 2013
4:53 pm

Fred ™

March 26th, 2013
4:51 pm

If you are the best example of being well, then, yes, I pray I never get cured. Thanks, Mr. Relevancy Master.

Towncrier

March 26th, 2013
4:54 pm

“Hell did anybody ever manage to convince you that blacks weren’t 5/8 of a man and women aren’t 2nd class citizens? What data did you require?”

Neither of may parents were prejudiced, so those sort of ideas were not instilled in me as a child. No data was required. The NT clearly speaks to the equality of all people as beings, even if they are different in terms of gender, age and race.

The color of one’s skin and sex is genetic. There is ample irrefutable scientific evidence of that fact. When you can provide me with similarly irrefutable scientific evidence that homosexuality is genetic, then you can insist that gays be not discriminated against in any fashion. Until then, you are simply arguing a position on the basis of your belief – just as I am.

Paul

March 26th, 2013
4:54 pm

Towncrier

““Google is your friend: just type in “studies showing genetic predispositon to homosexuality” and skip all the stuff that isn’t from a peer-reviewed or medical journal.”

Pfftt. If they had hard and irrefutable scientific evidence of that, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. ”

Do you have any idea how closed-minded this sounds? You make a statement. You are shown how to examine the literature on the topic. You say “there is none so I don’t need to look.”

You come across as willfully ignorant.

“And while you are at it, please provide me with repeatable and verifiable evidence of speciation, the very theoretical bedrock of evolutionary theory. ”

Now there’s a pretty good indication you’re feeling a bit unsure. Such a swift detour down a rabbit hole, a very quick effort to change the subject.

Didn’t work.

” Homosexuality is either genetically determined (in some or all gays) or it is not. Period.”

For some, there’s safety in just considering an either-or situation. You must have flunked right out of physics when the instructor said light demonstrates characteristics of a wave and of a particle. I imagine you said “FALSE! It’s either a wave or it’s not. It’s either a particle or it is not. Period.”

“You will have to offer irrefutable scientific evidence of the former in order for me to believe it.”

I offered you a way to educate yourself…. but we all know, there is a certain group who want everything handed to them by those who have more, who don’t want to work for what they get, don’t we?

Alex

March 26th, 2013
4:54 pm

@Towncrier, except for Physical Laws there are no absolutes and thus you cannot be convinced…..You want certainty..go sit under an apple tree and wait for gravity…Goodness, be serious, What Paul has is an open mind, open to possibilities and THAT is how Science evolves…..

ncgreybr

March 26th, 2013
4:56 pm

TGT

Just a question for you…If YOU stop having sex with the opposite sex today, does that mean you are no longer a heterosexual? Or does it mean you simply have stopped having sex with the opposite sex (for whatever period of time…)?

LUCIFER

March 26th, 2013
4:58 pm

The benefit of not believing in a faith book is that your intellectual brandwidth is not narrowed by having to follow nonsensical constraints of superstition and ignorance.

LUCIFER

March 26th, 2013
4:59 pm

Errr, make that “bandwidth.”

TGT

March 26th, 2013
5:01 pm

Who said I was choosing how others live? When are you libs going to understand that virtually every position in the marriage debate requires a measure of “discrimination.” As Al Mohler recently put it, “Discrimination—even ‘obvious discrimination’—is not necessarily wrong at all. Indeed, any sane society discriminates at virtually every turn, as do individuals. The law itself is an instrument of comprehensive discrimination.”

In other words, all law is rooted in some morality. On morality, C.S. Lewis declared that, “Moral rules are directions for running the human machine. Every moral rule is there to prevent a breakdown, or a strain, or a friction, in the running of that machine.”

Liberals have not really ended all morals legislation; they are attempting to redefine what is moral. They want to rewrite the “directions” for running the “human machine.”

Consider Europe, where liberals often look for their new marching orders in their war against Judeo-Christian morality. Not long ago, the UK Telegraph reported that, in the Journal of Medical Ethics, an article entitled “After-birth abortion: Why should the baby live?” argues that newborn babies are not “actual persons” and do not have a “moral right to life.”

Paul

March 26th, 2013
5:02 pm

Brosephus 4:53

I do understand. One of the earliest conversations I had on this blog was with josef on this very subject. We had a late-evening, extensive back and forth. He was open, on point, willing to consider and refute or accept, A lot of ideas were explored in a nonpersonal way. There was no recrimination for disagreement. It was the first big interaction I had with him and came to very much respect him.

But those kinds of exchanges are quite rare, I’m afraid.

Towncrier

March 26th, 2013
5:04 pm

“Good. Because I’m afraid that I’m not going to be able to accept the claims that returning Vietnam veterans were spit on without that documentary evidence he *claims* to have.”

As you have stipulated many times. That is fine. What is your beef, exactly? At least I have a clear and certain way of validating or invalidating his claims. And the main reason I plan to do it is for both our benefits. I would be greatly surprised if a tenured and well established law professor published made up citations to prove a point about which probably few people now care and also responded in a cordially, lengthy and friendly e-mail within hours to one I sent him. I expect I will find the evidence will validate his claims. But then again, Rosalyn Carter probably though John Gacy was a decent guy when she was photographed arm in arm with him.

LUCIFER

March 26th, 2013
5:05 pm

If you don’t believe in the supernatural you can’t be intimidated by it. What the Scriptures say about homosexuals — who gives a horse’s patoot!

Paul

March 26th, 2013
5:07 pm

Towncrier

“The color of one’s skin and sex is genetic.”

Really?

Really?

So you accept this?

“Early in fetal development, the tissue that will become the gonads (ovaries or testes) is undifferentiated and has the potential to become either ovaries or testes, depending on the genetics of the fetus. Humans have 46 chromosomes in each cell of their bodies, or 23 pairs. The 23rd pair determines our gender; females have two X chromosomes, while males have one X and one Y chromosome. The chromosome complement in humans is written: 46, XX, normal female or 46, XY, normal male.

There is a gene located on the short arm (top half) of the Y chromosome, called “SRY,” which, if present, will cause the undifferentiated gonad to become testes (indicating a male) around the 6th week of fetal life. At the same time, regression of what would have been the female reproductive tract occurs. As the testes produce testosterone, the phallus (penis), scrotum, and urethra form. Later, during the 7th to 8th month of the pregnancy, the testes will descend into the scrotum.

In the absence of the SRY gene, the gonad will differentiate into an ovary (indicating a female). Likewise, the female reproductive tract will continue to develop, forming the uterus and fallopian tubes. At the same time, regression of what would have become the male reproductive organs occurs.”

https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/Encyclopedia/Content.aspx?ContentTypeID=90&ContentID=P03079

So tell us, what sex is such a child? What will the identity and desires be?

You think there just might be a chance there’s more to it than an either/or dichotomy?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 26th, 2013
5:09 pm

As Al Mohler recently put it…

Don’t care.

…C.S. Lewis declared that…

Again — don’t care.

…the UK Telegraph reported that…

See above.

Towncrier

March 26th, 2013
5:11 pm

“Now there’s a pretty good indication you’re feeling a bit unsure. Such a swift detour down a rabbit hole, a very quick effort to change the subject.”

It was a type of reasoning used regularly by your namesake, the apostle Paul: from the greater to the lesser. If, after over a century of asserting the truth of evolutionary “science”, then still cannot provide hard irrefutable proof for the very thing that underlies it veracity, then how silly is it to put much stock is some soft studies that rely on perceived correlations and what not?

Now…how about you providing me with hard proof of speciation and make me a believer?

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
5:14 pm

Towncrier — “As you have stipulated many times. That is fine. What is your beef, exactly?”

My beef is that during the original discussion, you asserted that I was arguing Lembcke’s claims (I wasn’t, and I’ve since explained to you that I don’t even *care* about three of his four arguments) and that you presented “evidence” which has, as yet, gone unverified for over a year. Considering what a Richard you’re being on the topic of evidence for a possible genetic basis for homosexuality, I think you should get off your tail and get me *your* damned evidence or else stop being such a jerk about other people providing you with the evidence *you* demand.

In short, stop being a d**k when it comes to evidence. That clear enough?

“At least I have a clear and certain way of validating or invalidating his claims.”

Good. Then get to it.

“And the main reason I plan to do it is for both our benefits. I would be greatly surprised if a tenured and well established law professor published made up citations to prove a point about which probably few people now care and also responded in a cordially, lengthy and friendly e-mail within hours to one I sent him.”

I would too, but I’d also expect that someone who’s as demanding and jerky about receiving evidence from others would be more prompt and conscientious in obtaining and presenting some of his own.

“I expect I will find the evidence will validate his claims.”

Well, we’ll never know if you don’t get around to it, now will we?

Logical Dude

March 26th, 2013
5:17 pm

Paul: ” those civil unions for straights done by the justice of the peace are referred to as ‘marriages.’”

Exactly :)

Casper

March 26th, 2013
5:19 pm

“Now there’s a pretty good indication you’re feeling a bit unsure. Such a swift detour down a rabbit hole, a very quick effort to change the subject.”

He feels “insecure” alright. Why do you think he goes overboard each time gay marriage is brought up?

It hits home harder than Ray Lewis hit running backs in his heyday.

Paul

March 26th, 2013
5:19 pm

Towncrier

” If, after over a century of asserting the truth of evolutionary “science”, then still cannot provide hard irrefutable proof for the very thing that underlies it veracity, then how silly is it to put much stock is some soft studies that rely on perceived correlations and what not?

Now…how about you providing me with hard proof of speciation and make me a believer?”

I’d hoped you’d gotten over this technique, where you make a statement and then announce “prove me wrong.” Seems you like to put yourself in the position of everyone doing your bidding.

I offered you numerous links to scientific and medical journal articles on the topic regarding genetic causation or predisposition. Seems to me the onus is on you to prove them wrong.

But really, first things first. You made e a statement, you back it up. You say it’s genetic, period. Offer the studies.

Now, about that 5:07 -

Paul

March 26th, 2013
5:22 pm

Logical Dude

And if a justice of the peace performs a ceremony for two members of the same sex in a state where that is not specifically provided for, they have nothing.

And if the state does provide for that, there can still be denial of equal treatment in areas of tax, medical benefits, etc.

Towncrier

March 26th, 2013
5:22 pm

“So tell us, what sex is such a child? What will the identity and desires be?”

As far as I’ve read, no hermaphrodite (very rare in and of themselves) has ever been born with both sexual organs functional. So, if that is indeed true, there is no question what sex he or she is. Twins have been born with their bodies joined, people are born blind, with cleft palettes, without normal mental capacity and so on. I don’t think genetic aberrations prove anything. They are abnormalities by definition.

Logical Dude

March 26th, 2013
5:24 pm

TGT: “Also, tell us: if government laws against private sexual behavior between consenting adults is wrong, will you be marching for the prostitutes next?”

Oh, what the heck, I’ll jump in on this one.

Yes. Prostitution should be legal.

And regulated in such a way as to have regular testing and a good environment. Because it’s gonna happen anyway, might as well make it safe as possible.

Consenting adults should be able to have the relationship that they desire with minimal government interference.

Now, were you just asking because you were interested in honest and open debate, or because you wanted to make it “OMG, if we make THIS legal, then THIS OH SO EVIL NEXT STEP will be legal!!!!!”?

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
5:25 pm

USinUK … donde esta SPRING!!!???

so, scratch-n-sniff, according to your logic, then:

IV drug users shouldn’t be able to get married
people who lived in the UK shouldn’t be allowed to get married
people who have traveled to countries with malaria shouldn’t be able to get married for 3 years
prostitutes shouldn’t be allowed to get married
people who have risky sex shouldn’t be allowed to get married.

because they ALL are prohibited from giving blood because of concern about disease.

thanks for clearing that up

What were talking about… You buffoons continue to deflect the issue. Its about homosexuals and their perverse deviant behavior having the same stature of normal people. It’s not good for society and known of you libs have produced any evidence that says it is. Except maybe “if it feels good do it” mentality….

Paul

March 26th, 2013
5:29 pm

Towncrier

“As far as I’ve read, no hermaphrodite (very rare in and of themselves) has ever been born with both sexual organs functional.”

You didn’t read very far down the link, did you?

And the issue isn’t ‘functionality.” If it were, what would you do with men or women who are infertile? They’re not exactly functional, are they? The issue is gender identification – homosexuality – and your contention there is NO scientific basis it is determined by anything other than environment and choice.

” So, if that is indeed true, there is no question what sex he or she is.”

Which is what?

“They are abnormalities by definition.”

Ah, yes… they are abnormal. But they “ARE.” They were born ‘that way.’ They didn’t ‘choose’ to be that way, did they?

Paul

March 26th, 2013
5:30 pm

Towncrier

March 26th, 2013
5:45 pm

“I’d hoped you’d gotten over this technique, where you make a statement and then announce “prove me wrong.” Seems you like to put yourself in the position of everyone doing your bidding.”

It is not a “technique”. It is my view that much that passes for “science” and is gullibly accepted as truth is nothing more than hypothesizing out loud (sometimes or maybe a lot of times for unscientific reasons). I don’t mind people having and expressing beliefs. I do mind them pointing to soft studies as conclusive proof of anything, because they clearly are not.

I would have hoped you would see my point in my counter challenge. I expect you believe in Darwin’s theory of evolution. Some in the scientific community regard it as one of the greatest discoveries in all of history. And yet, to this very day, the mechanism upon which the theory depends has not been proven according to the scientific method. My point is this Paul: I have a very healthy skepticism of much “scientific” knowledge because it is not really scientific but quasi or pseudo scientific. But you, on the other hand, seem to want to embrace almost any “study” that calls itself scientific and suppose it is leading you closer to the “truth”.

In a word, your so-called scientific evidence is not hard scientific evidence. Perceived correlations are NOT hard evidence of anything – they may or may not be suggestive. You want me to argue with soft studies. Sorry, I think that is fruitless – because even the authors if pressed would concede that their studies do not “prove” what they suggest. That kind of science is just a bunch of silly nonsense – a waste of time and money. If you can’t definitively prove something one way or another, why bother researching it at all? It is sloppy, sloppy thinking at the root of it all, IMO. You have to isolate the variables to definitively prove something.

Towncrier

March 26th, 2013
5:57 pm

“Ah, yes… they are abnormal. But they “ARE.” They were born ‘that way.’ They didn’t ‘choose’ to be that way, did they?”

That still doesn’t make your argument that sexual orientation is genetic. In the first place, the abnormalities I spoke of are quite rare. Yet you want to argue that perhaps upwards of 10% of the population is abnormally gay. That would represent a statistical aberration of normal aberrations. Secondly, you are arguing that hermaphrodites are ambiguous sexually because they are, to some extent, biologically so. But that is not what I read. A number of such people, for example, never learn of their condition until adulthood (after having acted as one sex or another all along). If the biological condition creates the homosexual leaning in a person, then how does what I just described happen? Since most people who are “gay” are not hermaphrodites or “intersex” individuals, I am not sure why you are trying to build your argument on such narrow grounds that don’t necessarily support all of the other cases. In short, you are simply unable to prove your claim.

Towncrier

March 26th, 2013
6:09 pm

“In short, stop being a d**k when it comes to evidence. That clear enough?”

No, it is not. For as I intimated, it is a relatively simple matter to validate or invalidate the claims made by said professor. The reason I challenge people like Paul for evidence is not to actually get the evidence (because I already know there is none), but to get them to stop asserting things as true that are not demonstrably so on the spurious grounds of soft science rather than just asserting beliefs. You see, I have a number of beliefs that are based on the Bible. I believe the truth assertions therein. But people like Paul will attempt to discredit my beliefs by positing quasi- or pseudo-scientific studies as a kind of refutation. I simply want him and others to stop being so credulous and realize their positions are no less positions of faith than are mine (because they can offer no hard and irrefutable scientific evidence for them). I wasn’t really trying to be a “Richard”; I am trying to knock some sense into them. If Paul wants to believe homosexuality is genetic, then he is free to do so. I only object to him claiming science has proven it when it hasn’t at all.

Casper

March 26th, 2013
6:11 pm

Enter your comments here

clem

March 26th, 2013
6:20 pm

towncrier needs to stick head in bucket……or is it already there.

clem

March 26th, 2013
6:35 pm

wish towncrier had argued before scotus, the place would be howling

That Black Guy

March 26th, 2013
7:09 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 26th, 2013
12:13 pm
Man makes those choices.

So, when exactly did you decide to be hetero?
___________________
For me, it was the day of my birth.

I said “Man, that was cool, I can wait to get back into one of these.” :lol:

TGT

March 26th, 2013
7:50 pm

“Don’t care…don’t care…”

Nice answers Kam. Spoken just like a lib. You can’t make the arguments, so you stick your head in the sand (or somewhere) and hope the conversation changes (which it did).

Now, were you just asking because you were interested in honest and open debate…

Of course, and I’m glad to see that at least you’re consistent (if not logical). Americans need to understand that (logically) one cannot support one type of immoral sexual behavior without supporting others (this includes bestiality, etc.). Of course, most Americans see prostitution as immoral, dangerous, and promoting other evil behaviors (because if you are willing to compromise in one moral realm, you will be likely to do so in another), and thus support laws against it. Of course, the same moral standard that deems prostitution as wrong also tells us that homosexual behavior is wrong.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 26th, 2013
8:37 pm

You can’t make the arguments, so you stick your head in the sand…

No argument necessary as I don’t live my life according to the precepts of A.L. Mohler, C.S. Lewis or the UK Telegraph.

Sport.

TGT

March 26th, 2013
9:19 pm

Not their precepts…Sport.

guy

March 26th, 2013
9:29 pm

For those who don’t believe in God or the Bible,don’t worry,you will before it’s over.

Towncrier

March 26th, 2013
9:41 pm

“Actually, there’s a lot of stuff people think Paul wrote that he didn’t. And a lot of books he wrote had lots of ‘edits’ put in by later copyists. Even way back then there were forgeries and eliminations and additions by various factions pushing their social and theological agendas.

And many of today’s Christians think it all came about as Jesus told the guys whose letters bear their names what to say, word by word.”

So says Paul, the poster (”sizing up” Paul the apostle). You should read a few more books on the subject – you know, ones that critically evaluate things written by Bart Ehrman et alia.

Here is another thing the apostle Paul said:

“For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.”
- 2 Timothy 4:3

If Paul was indeed speaking for God, then I think you should be concerned. There is no possibility for repentance (or coming to your senses) after death. Imagine yourself on the day of judgement arguing over doctrine with the creator of the universe, insisting to him that it is indeed acceptable and good to run a gasoline engine on water (or, less metaphorically, that same sex marriage works as well and fulfills the same purpose as heterosexual marriage). It would be as absurd as a two year old arguing physics with his noble prize winning physicist father. But I don’t think anyone will be laughing.

Towncrier

March 26th, 2013
9:47 pm

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

That’s from the Declaration of Independence, there, Peadawg – not the Constitution.

clem

March 27th, 2013
12:56 am

while i think you have right to your views on religion, they seem to infringe on the constitution. you cannot prove that God did not create/permit homosexuals. though man has not definitely found a genetic link it has not been precluded convincingly either. seems like to deny a possible genetic/epigenetic link to homosexuality is more punitive given that it doesn’t infringe on heteros rights or cause provable serious harm to society and denies life liberty and pursuit of happiness to a class of individuals. as others have stated govt should not be in marriage business. that is realm of religion perhaps. but gays should be allowed to civil unions just as heteros in the eyes of the law with all inuring rights and benefits.

vinny

March 27th, 2013
7:09 am

An editorial page is for people with strong arguments. Not for weenies.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 27th, 2013
9:10 am

Towncrier — “No, it is not. For as I intimated, it is a relatively simple matter to validate or invalidate the claims made by said professor.”

Then hurry up and undertake the “relatively simple matter” of validating or invalidating Lindgren’s claims, please.

“I wasn’t really trying to be a “Richard”; I am trying to knock some sense into them. If Paul wants to believe homosexuality is genetic, then he is free to do so. I only object to him claiming science has proven it when it hasn’t at all.”

Given your Richardly behavior on *our* first meeting, I think you should do no less for me than you expect Paul to do for you. Otherwise, IMO you’re as guilty as you imagine Paul to be.

clem

March 27th, 2013
9:35 am

is vinny an expert on weenies?

Towncrier

March 27th, 2013
12:18 pm

“Given your Richardly behavior on *our* first meeting, I think you should do no less for me than you expect Paul to do for you. Otherwise, IMO you’re as guilty as you imagine Paul to be.”

Here’s a suggestion for you: why don’t you try reading my post a little more carefully? I said, in the middle of it to which you choose not to respond, the following:

“The reason I challenge people like Paul for evidence is not to actually get the evidence (because I already know there is none), but to get them to stop asserting things as true that are not demonstrably so on the spurious grounds of soft science rather than just asserting beliefs.”

I repeat, I did not expect any “evidence” from Paul because I know there is none. And that is likely the reason he dodged the challenge completely. That is entirely unlike the matter between us, in which certain claims have been made that can be clearly validated or invalidated with a little research. You are expecting me to provide documentary evidence to support my belief about people spitting on returning Vietnam veterans. I surmised that you got your own contrary belief that such claims are urban myths from reading Lembcke’s book (since I have never heard anyone else suggest that but him). To quote Jesus, “Is that your own idea or did you get it from someone else”? The reason I haven’t done so to date is a personal one, which I am not going to share with you.

clem

March 27th, 2013
3:14 pm

clem

March 27th, 2013
3:30 pm

in france they have folks marching against gay marriage…..muslims and far right religous christians. which religion is right?

Joe Hussein Mama

March 27th, 2013
5:49 pm

Towncrier — “Here’s a suggestion for you: why don’t you try reading my post a little more carefully?”

I read your post just fine. Let me explain something to you, young man.

I don’t think that either you or Lindgren *have* any solid evidence. So as far as I’m concerned, your recalcitrance and foot-dragging in following up puts you in the same category as you appear to put Paul into.

“I said, in the middle of it to which you choose not to respond, the following:”

I read it and I don’t think it deserved response. I think you need to get up off your duff and provide *your* evidence, given the vehemence with which you demand it from others.

“That is entirely unlike the matter between us, in which certain claims have been made that can be clearly validated or invalidated with a little research.”

I disagree completely. I’ve researched them and they didn’t pan out. You claim to need time to research them, but as of now, about a year after our first discussion on the topic, your ‘evidence’ has yet to surface.

You asserted that there WAS evidence, and presented links. Your links failed to pan out.

You *claim* now to have been in direct contact with Lindgren and to have more detailed information which you need to check out. However, as of yet, you STILL have no evidence and appear to be dragging your feet on getting any.

“You are expecting me to provide documentary evidence to support my belief about people spitting on returning Vietnam veterans.”

Yes, I am. And I think you owe me the same degree of assiduousness and promptness as I presented in researching the links you presented.

“I surmised that you got your own contrary belief that such claims are urban myths from reading Lembcke’s book (since I have never heard anyone else suggest that but him).”

You surmised incorrectly. Furthermore, you ’surmised’ that I agreed with other of Lembcke’s points which I hadn’t even brought up (since I didn’t agree with them) — so perhaps you should read a bit more closely and carefully yourself.

“To quote Jesus, “Is that your own idea or did you get it from someone else”?

I don’t really care. Simply put, you leapt to an unwarranted and false conclusion.

“The reason I haven’t done so to date is a personal one, which I am not going to share with you.”

Fine. Then I am content to continue believing that you’re either not in possession of the information you claim or that you’ve *already* tried to validate it and have come up wanting.