A closet is for clothing, not for people

In 1994, 66 percent of Americans told Time/CNN pollsters that they did not have a close friend or family member who was gay.

Little did they know.

At the time, the closet was still a pretty crowded place. President Bill Clinton had just signed the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy, instructing the Pentagon not to pursue gay military members as long as they kept their sexual orientation secret. Comedian Ellen DeGeneres was still three years from her “big reveal” on prime-time TV, and people in less-accepting communities and industries had far more to fear than she did. Matthew Shepard was still four years away from dying a brutal beating death in Wyoming, martyred for the sin of being gay. And just 10 years earlier, Rock Hudson had been dragged, sick and dying, from the closet by AIDS.

(For all of its horrors, and strange as it may sound, the AIDS epidemic played a crucial role in forcing society to acknowledge at least the existence of the gay community, and in encouraging many gay Americans to tell the truth about themselves. In hindsight, that proved to be an important silver lining to a very dark cloud.)

Today, in a new Time/CNN poll, only 42 percent of Americans told pollsters that they do not have a close friend or relative who is gay, a 24-point decline in less than 20 years. That number too is much too high. In another decade, that number will probably drop by half again … that is, if pollsters still find the question relevant to ask.

The closet is a terrible place in which to try to live a life, and those who have been brave enough to break that confinement — Martina Navratilova was one of the earliest and bravest — have done the rest of us a great favor. They have forced society as a whole to confront not just the existence of gay brothers and sisters and parents and children and friends and co-workers, but their fundamental normality as well.

What was hidden could be and was assumed to be monstrous. It turns out that what is open and commonplace becomes more difficult to fear.

This week, the U.S. Supreme Court will hear arguments regarding the right of gay Americans to have equal access to the institution of marriage, which in historical terms is a remarkable event. In a TV appearance last weekend, Karl Rove said he could envision a GOP presidential nominee as soon as 2016 who would be supportive of gay marriage. While that strikes me as quite unlikely, it is even more unlikely that gay marriage will ever again be a hotly divisive political issue at the national level.

According to the latest Pew poll, 48 percent of Americans support gay marriage, while 43 percent still oppose it. Opposition is strongest (33 percent supportive; 55 percent opposed) among those 65 and older; among Republicans (25-67 percent); among black Americans (40-48 percent); and here in the South (39-51 percent).

That last number is telling. Less than 10 years ago, an overwhelming 76 percent of Georgia voters approved a constitutional ban on gay marriage that Republicans had placed on the ballot as a means of energizing conservative voters. Today that measure would still pass, I suspect, but by a much smaller number, and it would probably not be put on the ballot in the first place.

In fact, within a generation if not sooner, that language will be stripped from Georgia law as an embarrassment, much as states have stripped their legal codes of the inoperable remnants of Jim Crow. And while a few will condemn that move as another step toward perdition, most others will recognize it as a welcome acknowledgement that those days are over.

The closet door is being lifted from its hinges forever.

– Jay Bookman

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Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
9:19 am

Jay — “The closet door is being lifted from its hinges forever.”

. . . and let’s see how many notable Republicans scurry away when the lights go on.

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
9:21 am

Meanwhile, it’s still perfectly legal to discriminate against Americans based on their sexual orientation when it comes to hiring and housing, in many of our 50 states.

So there’ll be that to deal with, as well, one presumes.

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
9:22 am

Celebrate are gay brothers and sisters and cousins and aunts and uncles and moms and pops…..

They are FABULOUS!

Be proud of how God made you.

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
9:23 am

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
9:26 am

Today that measure would still pass, I suspect

In November 2013? I bet it wouldn’t.

I’ll go out on a limb and say that the vast majority of states where such things have been voted on, would NOT be able to win a majority of votes if such elections were to be held this fall.

it would probably not be put on the ballot in the first place.

And that’s worth considering, too. Even if such a thing WERE to pass, it’s going to look pretty stupid in a few short years.

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
9:28 am

Celebrate [our] gay brothers and sisters and cousins and aunts and uncles and moms and pops…..

You too, Lindsay, Marcus, and especially you too, Mattie!

But not you, Rush. You can die in that closet for all I care.

Stevie Ray

March 26th, 2013
9:29 am

JAY

What do you want to wager that among the lack of support of the groups you mention, the common thread is bible study?

Church+State=Life in the 1600’s…

gadem also known as Benghazi

March 26th, 2013
9:29 am

I am African American as well as in the south…so I am a lot more conservative on this issue. I don’t agree with discrimination, but I also believe that homosexuality is wrong. I honestly believe that it is a choice. I can’t wrap my mind around being born that way.

Fly-On-The-Wall

March 26th, 2013
9:30 am

It is time to put the culture wars behind us and move on to more important things.

Stevie Ray

March 26th, 2013
9:32 am

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
9:19 am

I understand the older folks, GOP’s with invisible friends, and southerners but not African Americans…again i think this is all driven by fright instilled by religions that think we all should abide by their flawed set of morals..and morales for that matter.

HDB

March 26th, 2013
9:32 am

What too many people are failing to note is that by both the Constitution and by treaties that have been ratified by the US Senate…..same sex marriage is already de facto LEGAL in the US!! As long as same sex marriage is legal in ONE state, it must be recognized in all 50….(US Constitution)…..and if legal in nations that we recognize (via ratified treaties), it must be recognized in the US!!

Problem is….those who consider themselves advocates of “law and order” wish not to acknowledge this aspect of law….and the order it presents!!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 26th, 2013
9:34 am

Vito Russo demonstrated it years ago in The Celluloid Closet but it is simply dumbfounding to see that prior to the creation of the Hays Code in the movie industry and the McCarthy witch hunt put a stop to it that the general treatment of gay relationships was much more tolerant.

saywhat?

March 26th, 2013
9:34 am

gadem also known as Benghazi

“I am African American as well as in the south…so I am a lot more conservative on this issue. I don’t agree with discrimination, but I also believe that homosexuality is wrong. I honestly believe that it is a choice. I can’t wrap my mind around being born that way.”
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Good for you. Its your right to believe what you want. Just don’t let your honest belief influence you to support denying equal rights to others.

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
9:35 am

gadem

do you have any problem wrapping your mind around your being born heterosexaul?

i really don’t mean to be snarky, i just hope you’ll meet someone
or have some experience that opens your mind.

before it’s too late

like it was for my cousin jane.

she thought her father would refute her, when in truth he always knew,
they were both too afraid and when he was killed – it was too late.

Stevie Ray

March 26th, 2013
9:35 am

gadem also known as Benghazi

March 26th, 2013
9:29 am

Respectfully, why does it matter how others live their lives? Would you not think that homosexuality has been around at least as long as general sexuality?

Thomas

March 26th, 2013
9:36 am

Liberals are the most close minded (want to be) controlling demographic. Second is the far right- only incrementally. Both pick and chose their demographic to coddle at any point in time oftentimes despising and hating many more demographics as they attempt to lift up (in blog and thought only),

Move to the middle where free thought and being open minded is accepted.

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
9:36 am

the common thread is bible study

Stevie, if those bibles they’re studying have the four Gospels included, then there’s no basis for discrimination whatsoever.

All of this “God hates F@gs” business comes from people imagining what Jesus might’ve believed. If you stand on your head and squint, or something.

That, and a profound misunderstanding of what would be thought of as “homosexual relationships” were generally about during the time of Paul. Here’s a hint–they were not, generally, loving, lifelong things, but rather what we’d refer to as statutory child rape, today.

(YMMV, JMHO, etc.)

JohnnyReb

March 26th, 2013
9:36 am

This poll, that poll or the other. The polls that count are at the voting booth.

Forcing gay marriage through the courts is too large a step just as was Roe/Wade.

If SCOTUS does it, there will be another hotly contested issue along with abortion.

If gay marriage is truly supported by the majority of the people, it will get here in its own good time and without the turmoil of a court decision – if Libs will just let nature run its course.

Stevie Ray

March 26th, 2013
9:36 am

saywhat?

March 26th, 2013
9:34 am

Never said better.

Whatever

March 26th, 2013
9:37 am

How do you not let your beliefs influence what you support? That’s totally illogical.

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2013
9:37 am

“I honestly believe that it is a choice. I can’t wrap my mind around being born that way”

Sit down in a quiet area and contemplate this: when did you DECIDE not to be homosexual?

Paul

March 26th, 2013
9:37 am

So no matter which way the Court rules, change will still happen.

I have changed my position on this issue. My main concern had beenthe effect laws, as they were proposed, would have on religious institutions’ conduct of their affairs. As I’ve read here and elsewhere, listened to various shows, my thought now is the effect, absent a few nuisance suits, will be negligible, as we separate truly religious activities from religious-sponsored business activities. Added to that was the dearth of options offered by those opposed to marriage by gays. While some states, such as California, did take actions to make civil unions more contractually in line with marriage, there were still gaps. There is a big disconnect between federal laws and benefits and state laws, with those opposed to gays being marriage coming across as fighting to keep the conflicts.

Those are just some of the reasons. But I do think it says positive things about our society when we can say to two people: ‘you love each other, want to commit your lives to one another, bring stability to your lives and to society, raise children and live the same dream many others dream? Thank you for being willing to commit to that. You have our support.”

by golly

March 26th, 2013
9:39 am

I would suggest of the 12 disciples, 3 or 4 were gay. Jesus loves everyone, even Westboro asshats.

Stevie Ray

March 26th, 2013
9:39 am

straitroad

March 26th, 2013
9:39 am

Polygamy will be next on the democrat agenda. After all, some are genetically wired to have multiple partners, right?

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
9:39 am

HDB — “As long as same sex marriage is legal in ONE state, it must be recognized in all 50….(US Constitution)…..”

I’ve made that point here several times, and IMO, it’s what’s eventually going to cause the SCOTUS to accede to the point.

JF McNamara

March 26th, 2013
9:41 am

@gadem also known as Benghazi,

I am African American as well as in the south as well. We knew my cousin was gay when he was age 10 (if not before). He never played sports with us, and he would watch beauty pageants with my mom and Aunt. He hid it as best he could because he knew that he would be ostracized, but everyone around him knew.

He was treated like complete crap by a lot of family members and so called friends. I regret it to this day that I didn’t treat him better or stand up for him.

Black people need to stop being hateful and recognize that this is real and no amount of hatred or denial will change it. My cousin was born that way. Most gay people are. You will unconsciously discriminate until you accept that reality, and you will be no better than a white segregationist who just couldn’t wrap his mind around the fact that Blacks were equal.

Grow up and man up on this topic

indigo

March 26th, 2013
9:41 am

Not many people these days think gays should stay in the closet.

There are many people, however, who question gay marriage.

Jay, tying these two together is like adding one + one and getting eleven.

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
9:42 am

Both pick and chose their demographic to coddle at any point in time oftentimes despising and hating many more demographics as they attempt to lift up (in blog and thought only),

Oh really. So expecting an ever-increasingly-wealthy uberclass to pay a bit more in taxes equals actively discriminating against people based on sexual orientation? Equals enacting roadblocks to voting rights? Equals re-criminalizing elective first trimester abortion, something the vast majority of Americans don’t want?

Please proceed.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
9:42 am

JohnnyReb — “If gay marriage is truly supported by the majority of the people, it will get here in its own good time and without the turmoil of a court decision – if Libs will just let nature run its course.”

Would you be so patient as to sit around and wait for others to decide the time was right for you to have the civil rights you were entitled to all along? I think not.

Civil rights protestors in the 60s didn’t wait, and they’re not waiting today. I suggest you make your peace with the notion that your comfort or lack thereof is not necessary for others to have their civil rights.

N-GA

March 26th, 2013
9:42 am

My parents along with the Roman Catholic Church, taught me tolerance and acceptance of age, race and, yes, other religions. Until the day they died, my parents were unaccepting of gays. I tried talking with my father about the issue, but he was unrelenting. Fortunately my wife and adult children have never held negative views about gay people. I’ve lived through the near-defeat of racial intolerance, and I hope to live through the defeat of people’s intolerance of others’ sexual orientation. It is my genuine belief that if he were alive today, Jesus would accept gays without reservation.

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
9:43 am

straitroad

March 26th, 2013
9:39 am
Polygamy will be next on the democrat agenda. After all, some are genetically wired to have multiple partners, right?
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Probably not, but if you feel a yen for that kind of thing, gather together like thinkers and start a movement of your own.

We could respect your activisim.

Mick

March 26th, 2013
9:43 am

“Live free or die”, sayeth new hampshire license tags…pretty cool motto in four words…

Paul

March 26th, 2013
9:44 am

gadem

Think about people born with an innate ability to compose music, paint, do advanced mathematics, theoretical physics. Did a great compose just decide, at age 5, to write a symphony? Did someone else decide to let their mind leap to unknown areas in understanding the universe? There are many things difficult to comprehend. Sometimes saying “I don’t understand, but I accept” is all that’s required.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
9:44 am

straitroad — “Polygamy will be next on the democrat agenda. After all, some are genetically wired to have multiple partners, right?”

And Neal Horsley’s genetically wired for barnyard animals; what of it?

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
9:44 am

We could respect your activisim.

I could if there were any polygamists out there who weren’t misogynistic a$$holes. So far I’ve yet to learn of any. I could be wrong.

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
9:44 am

N-GA

Well said!

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2013
9:45 am

“Polygamy will be next on the democrat agenda. After all, some are genetically wired to have multiple partners, right?”

and that ever-present slippery slope makes it’s appearance…right on schedule

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 26th, 2013
9:45 am

Well, we’re just a couple months away from them forcing us to get gay married! It’s unbeleivable! I thought I had the God-given right to hate the Gays and shake the Bible at them. And now this Activist Court could make us let the Gays get married and nothing we could do about it.

I reckon it’s true what I heard up at Billy Bob’s Saturday night: Be kind to the Gays because one day you might marry one.

It’s a sad, sad day in this country for the Straights, by the Straights, and whatever the third one is for the Straights. Have a good Tuesday everybody.

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
9:46 am

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
9:44 am
We could respect your activisim.

I could if there were any polygamists out there who weren’t misogynistic a$$holes. So far I’ve yet to learn of any. I could be wrong.
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I suspect one woman with multiple husbands would do better….and have
a great lawn, neat hedges and properly inflated tires

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 26th, 2013
9:47 am

Polygamy will be next on the democrat agenda. After all, some are genetically wired to have multiple partners, right?

Newt says “what”? At one time divorce was not permitted but some just had to have multiple new partners.

JamVet

March 26th, 2013
9:48 am

Civil rights protestors in the 60s didn’t wait, and they’re not waiting today.

Beautiful!

But not for those who exemplify the stupid, insulting and backward party. (hat tip, B. Jindal)

Where the appropriate adjective is…

Brutal.

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 26th, 2013
9:49 am

“If gay marriage is truly supported by the majority of the people, it will get here in its own good time and without the turmoil of a court decision – if Libs will just let nature run its course.”

I think they said something along those lines about slavery too…didn’t work then either.

Jerome Horwitz

March 26th, 2013
9:49 am

gadem – The same codewords once used against blacks are the same now used against homosexuals. No matter how the black clergy twists they’re guilty of the same prejudgices they fought against. I find them despicable, or Republican. The old “I got mine screw you” pilosophy. Hope you are able to open your eyes.

bookman parrot

March 26th, 2013
9:49 am

i have to commend jay today… in that he actually was not lazy and put some effort forth… albeit it was mostly propaganda that has been shed many times before
i will preface the rest of my comment… by i really don’t care what you do and with whom…
but i still get to have my opinion that it is not right; even though libs would and will try to take away
the rights of others to opposing opinion
i “like” your comment on “have done the rest of us a great favor”, but don’t understand how gay or not gay has helped everyone…
you use terms like “marytr”… please… the young man was a victim of course,… of mean individuals… but marytr…. good grief … you are stretching Jay
jay you speak of gay as “normal”…. sorry Jay, but by generic definition “normal” is what the vaste majority of people hold to or are or behave… and that is not being gay… so sorry charlie but gay is not normal by definition
do gay people have the same characteristics as other people, yes… except pretty much one

Scooter

March 26th, 2013
9:50 am

Wouldn’t it be great if everyone would stopped empowering government to promote their own self righteousness?

gadem also known as Benghazi

March 26th, 2013
9:50 am

I don’t flaunt the fact that I am heterosexual. I don’t attend Heterosexual Pride parades every week. Those are the things that I have a problem with. What people do in the privacy of their homes is none of my business.

For the record, I do have one or two gay friends, maybe more. What they do and who they love is their business. I just don’t want to be exposed to it nor do I want my kids exposed to it. I believe it is wrong. Plain and simple. Somethings I will not compromise on, so maybe I am a bigot. No better than the segregationist.

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
9:50 am

I suspect one woman with multiple husbands would do better

Perhaps. But that’s polyandry, not polygamy. Yes, I am being nitpicky.

In all seriousness, the only multiple-spouse relationship arrangements that’ve had any kind of “activism” behind them in this nation’s history, have (generally) been basically legal child rape by (invariably) much older guys.

Which seems all kinds of effed up, to me.

Brosephus™

March 26th, 2013
9:51 am

If you’re willing to stomp on someone else’s rights just because of your beliefs, then I think that person should be able to return the favor to you. This country is so damned selfish that it’s not even funny anymore. We’re (collectively) so worried about what WE think that the person who’s most affected isn’t even considered.

This SCOTUS ruling has already been written. As same-sex marriage has passed in some states, they have to be recognized in all states. Georgia, just like the other ass backwards states, will have to go back and remove that bigoted crap from their Constitutions. I can’t understand how some people try to use God to justify their own bigotries. That’s probaby why we’re having so many destructive storms and such nowadays.

Alex

March 26th, 2013
9:52 am

@ Stevie, attacking religion (fright instilled) may incite Jay’s syncophants but does nothing to help religious people to becoming more understanding of the gay issues. I think we all know good, honest philanthropic people who are against gay marriage ,based on biblical teachings. Perhaps if we show them due respect they will reciprocate and begin to evolve , just perhaps….

bookman parrot

March 26th, 2013
9:53 am

to stands for decibels
March 26th, 2013
9:21 am

so you are saying there is a large population of gays without jobs and homeless…
i’m thinking you are false…
common knowledge is gays on average make more money than average of non-gay population..
and why has the news not reported this huge homelessness of gays that you speak of …
so sorry “stands” but you are false and just toeing the lib line

Erwin's cat

March 26th, 2013
9:54 am

being gay is about as interesting as being left handed

guy

March 26th, 2013
9:54 am

God does not condone same sex marriage or the gay lifestyle. Also,porn,gambling,adultry,killing,etc. He does however expect us to treat others with compassion,no matter what. We all sin everyday so no need in trying to make excuses for our wrongdoings. Man cannot make right what God says is wrong. Let’s all look in the mirror before we physically or mentally bash others with whom we disagree.

Jay

March 26th, 2013
9:54 am

“Not many people these days think gays should stay in the closet. There are many people, however, who question gay marriage.

Jay, tying these two together is like adding one + one and getting eleven.”

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I very much disagree, Indigo. Either gay people are full and equal participants or they are not.

JamVet

March 26th, 2013
9:54 am

straitroad, the great question of your time is when will reason, common sense and decency be next on the Republican agenda?

Or how about this one – how long can you stay stuck in the 1950s?

Hopefully for a few more elections, at which time the nation will administer the last rights for neoconservatism…

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
9:54 am

I don’t attend Heterosexual Pride parades every week. Those are the things that I have a problem with

Sigh.

I do not for a moment, as a white guy (can’t help it, I was born this way), begrudge any public displays of ethnic pride by any group. I am fine and dandy with there being a Black Entertainment Network. Totally ok with the Congressional Black Caucus.

So we should be fine with Pride Week, et. al.

Such displays become less seemly, less necessary, as majority acceptance of such immutable traits become commonplace. At some point, the CBC (and BET) may seem quaint. For now, not so much.

Paul

March 26th, 2013
9:54 am

bookman parrot

“jay you speak of gay as “normal”…. sorry Jay, but by generic definition “normal” is what the vaste majority of people hold to or are or behave…”

Got it. So the top 1% of income earners are not ‘normal’ so we can discriminate against them by really, really raising their taxes, correct?

gadem

The fact you’re here, being open and discussing and thinking about your views, indicates to me you are further along than those other groups you described. Just don’t stop thinking about it.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 26th, 2013
9:54 am

For the record, I do have one or two gay friends, maybe more.

Well, I reckon it’s back to setting two stools apart up at Billy Bob’s. Now I’m going to have to look at even my buddy Jim Earl and my other buddy Joe Bill a little different. Whatever happened to the days when men were men and women were women and it never took much to tell the difference?

TGT

March 26th, 2013
9:54 am

The closet door is being lifted from its hinges forever.

Yeah, because liberals have managed to dupe a significant portion of the culture into believing the lie of the homosexual agenda, we can NOW conclude that homosexuality and all of its trappings (same-sex marriage, adoption, etc.) is “right.” Just a few years ago the leader of today’s liberals stood (or said he did) for (biblical) marriage. But now, because the political winds seem to be blowing the other way, same-sex marriage, etc. is the “right” thing to do. Tell me libs, is there any issue on which you wouldn’t change your mind if it was deemed to support your political agenda?

Also, tell us: how would you discriminate and define marriage? You going to leave out the polygamists?

Also, tell us: if government laws against private sexual behavior between consenting adults is wrong, will you be marching for the prostitutes next?

Also, tell us: If homosexuality is a genetic unchangeable trait, how is it that many leave their homosexuality behavior? (Including prominent Hollywood types such as Angelina Jolie.)

Also, tell us: Upon what moral code do you deem homosexuality “right? Why is it “wrong” to define marriage as a union of one man and one woman? What moral standard are you using to reach your conclusions?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 26th, 2013
9:55 am

I don’t flaunt the fact that I am heterosexual. I don’t attend Heterosexual Pride parades every week.

Spring breakers say what?
Sturgis bikers say what?
Girls Gone Wild says what?

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
9:55 am

so you are saying there is a large population of gays without jobs and homeless…

Can I have some of what you’re ingesting? (So I know never to take it myself, of course.)

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
9:55 am

gadem — “I don’t flaunt the fact that I am heterosexual. I don’t attend Heterosexual Pride parades every week. Those are the things that I have a problem with.”

As I said to JohnnyReb, your comfort or discomfort is beside the point. Some people are quite troubled by the fact that I’m an atheist, and I’ve been told many times — both online and off — that I should just keep it to myself.

Really? All the billboards and TV commercials for megachurches and all the big fancy structures y’all build, not to mention the protest marches and picketing y’all do and *I’m* the one who needs to pipe down?

Frankly, I think you’re totally oblivious to how much ‘flaunting’ straights and theists do simply as a matter of course.

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
9:55 am

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
9:50 am
I suspect one woman with multiple husbands would do better

Perhaps. But that’s polyandry, not polygamy. Yes, I am being nitpicky.

In all seriousness, the only multiple-spouse relationship arrangements that’ve had any kind of “activism” behind them in this nation’s history, have (generally) been basically legal child rape by (invariably) much older guys.

Which seems all kinds of effed up, to me.
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.Seriously, you are correct…nitpicking and all.

philosopher

March 26th, 2013
9:56 am

http://www.matthewvines.com/ Homosexuality is Not a Sin. For those serious enough and willing enough to see a different approach to interpreting what the Bible says (each “damning” word) about homosexuality. This young man just might open your frightened heart.

jconservative

March 26th, 2013
9:56 am

Re today’s case:

From the 14th Amendment – No state shall ” deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

Does this mean some citizens cannot marry who they wish to marry? Does this mean some citizens cannot pay taxes? Does this mean some citizens cannot vote? Does this mean that some citizens cannot attend certain schools?

Benghazi at 9:29 – “I also believe that homosexuality is wrong.”

So do I Benghazi. So do I.

Whether it is right or wrong is not a legal issue. What interest is the State serving by denying same sex couples the right to “marry”? Who benefits from denying that right?
Do you benefit from denying that right?

I have been married to the same woman for 44 years. Same sex marriage will have no effect on our marriage just as about of 50% of all marriages ending in divorce has no effect on our marriage.

The interesting question is whether the Court will take the easy way out and rule on standing instead of ruling on the Constitution.

Mick

March 26th, 2013
9:56 am

“Do what thou wilt, that shall be the whole of the law”, there is no more sin in the modern world…

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 26th, 2013
9:57 am

With the Supreme Court, I guess that it will all come down to whether they buy the myth that gay is a voluntary life style, as the religious would have us believe…or if they believe that being gay is genetic. If they believe that you are indeed born gay, they they have to rule for gay rights, otherwise they would be denying constitutional rights to an entire block of people. It would be a kind of gay Dred Scott decision…I don’t think that will happen in 2013.

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
9:57 am

guy

March 26th, 2013
9:54 am
God does not condone same sex marriage or the gay lifestyle
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Mine does.

Fire yours.

Erwin's cat

March 26th, 2013
9:58 am

Normal – I think they said something along those lines about slavery too…

I had no idea you were that old….and who are “they”?

Brosephus™

March 26th, 2013
9:58 am

Such displays become less seemly, less necessary, as majority acceptance of such immutable traits become commonplace. At some point, the CBC (and BET) may seem quaint. For now, not so much.

I don’t understand how or why people hate the free-market. There would be no need for same-sex marriage if the demand wasn’t there. Why not just take the opportunity to jump into business at the very beginning of the market?

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Just a few years ago the leader of today’s liberals stood (or said he did) for (biblical) marriage. But now, because the political winds seem to be blowing the other way, same-sex marriage, etc. is the “right” thing to do.

Yep, like you’re going to see the President openly endorse discrimination against citizens. :roll:

Sean Smith

March 26th, 2013
9:59 am

“Polygamy will be next on the democrat agenda. After all, some are genetically wired to have multiple partners, right?”

You mean like Newt Gingrich and Mark Sanford????

JF McNamara

March 26th, 2013
9:59 am

@gadem also known as Benghazi,

I changed what you just said, so that you can get clarity on what everyone is trying to tell you. You are a bigot.

I don’t flaunt the fact that I am White. I don’t attend Black Civil Rights parades every week. Those are the things that I have a problem with. What people do in the privacy of their homes is none of my business. Separate but equal. It’s not that that bad.

For the record, I do have one or two [Black] friends, maybe more. What they is their business. I just don’t want to be exposed to [them] nor do I want my kids exposed to [them]. I believe they are not equal. Plain and simple. Somethings I will not compromise on, so maybe I am a bigot.

Peadawg

March 26th, 2013
9:59 am

“Why is it “wrong” to define marriage as a union of one man and one woman? What moral standard are you using to reach your conclusions?”

It’s discrimination. Easy. What part of “all men are created equal” do you not understand? Why do you hate the Constitution?

Scratch It

March 26th, 2013
10:00 am

The problem with homosexuals is not that they can’t marry. Its that their behavior could result in death. We as a society shun smokers, drug addicts, and gun owners but refuse to condemn homosexual behavior. 20,000 people a year die of aids with most being related to homosexuality and drug use and nothing but praise form politicians and media. Sad.

clem

March 26th, 2013
10:02 am

what the heck is wrong with ga senate folks doing end run on abortion issue. they could truly care less about future children, just paying homage to their minority right wing base.

Alex

March 26th, 2013
10:02 am

Same old Jamvet, Granny, Horowitz,stands for.. beligerence and cussing and “yellin” trying to make a point by either sarcasm or aggressive statements…Does that usually affect other peoples opinions in a “social” situation? I suspect not…Same old stuff..Tiresome rants….angry people/self righteous . Be inclusive, accept those against gay marriage,instead of gleefully attacking them..it’s more difficult, stretch yourselves…….

JamVet

March 26th, 2013
10:03 am

God does not condone…

YOUR god?

Not mine, she’s a black and she’s not happy with you!

Apparently you Christian fascists are going to have to learn the same way that your Klan forebears did…

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 26th, 2013
10:03 am

Erwin’s cat

March 26th, 2013
9:58 am

Mostly Southern sympathizers…the argument was that one day, technology would render slaves useless…

St Simons- Cons - privatizimg the public & publicizing your privates since 1980

March 26th, 2013
10:03 am

once again, ‘merka No. 1 – f* yeah!
once again, #1 in being behind the curve of civilized nations
I can’t believe we are still talking about this in the 21st century.
really, man.

Granny Godzilla

March 26th, 2013
10:03 am

same old ALex…..

practically perfect in every way!

I admire that about him.

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
10:03 am

“42 percent of Americans told pollsters that they do not have a close friend or relative who is gay”

what rocks do these people live under???

criminey.

Jerome Horwitz

March 26th, 2013
10:04 am

OK religous zealots – please see the enclosed chart on biblical marraige posted here earlier (don’t know who to credit but it’s great). You should be on board with all of it. Right? It’s all or nothing when it comes to the Old Testament. And stay away from the BBQ and peel and eat shrimp. And don’t touch a football.

http://x70.xanga.com/f018463225db8282213520/b224941734.png

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
10:04 am

J.F. Mc @ 9.59, honestly, I don’t think that’s terribly helpful.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
10:04 am

JF McNamara — “I changed what you just said, so that you can get clarity on what everyone is trying to tell you.”

Well done, sir. (claps)

JF McNamara

March 26th, 2013
10:05 am

@Scratch It @ 10:00,

Wow, just wow. Its like 1990 in here. Being gay causes AIDS? I thought unsafe sex (no matter how) spread AIDS. SMH.

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2013
10:05 am

“With the Supreme Court, I guess that it will all come down to whether they buy the myth that gay is a voluntary life style, as the religious would have us believe…or if they believe that being gay is genetic. If they believe that you are indeed born gay, they they have to rule for gay rights, otherwise they would be denying constitutional rights to an entire block of people”

Actually…born gay or not does not come into it. The rights protected for us by the Consitution make no reference to what is inborn and what is not.

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 26th, 2013
10:05 am

Scratch It,
You are truly a tool. What goes on in a couples home is no one’s business. You really need enlightenment…

stands for decibels

March 26th, 2013
10:05 am

Its that their behavior could result in death.

Incoming LESBIAN ATTACK!

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
10:05 am

” Be inclusive, accept those against gay marriage,instead of gleefully attacking them..it’s more difficult, stretch yourselves…”

hooray! and, while you’re at it, accept those who are against inter-racial marriage, people who don’t like (insert religion here) and people who think blacks had it easy under slavery because their masters fed them and put a roof over their heads.

Peadawg

March 26th, 2013
10:06 am

“The problem with homosexuals is not that they can’t marry. Its that their behavior could result in death.”

Heterosexuals can get aids too, sport.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 26th, 2013
10:06 am

Scratch It — “The problem with homosexuals is not that they can’t marry. Its that their behavior could result in death.”

Unless they’re *female* homosexuals, but I’m sure you just forgot about that part.

by golly

March 26th, 2013
10:06 am

I think some of the homophobes on here just need a ____ ___ but it is still illegal in Georgia.

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2013
10:06 am

“20,000 people a year die of aids with most being related to homosexuality ”

And in Africa AIDS is more prevelent among the heterosexual population

JF McNamara

March 26th, 2013
10:07 am

@stand for decibels,

I’m African American and my comment was addressed to another African American. In the context of our previous comments, it makes sense.

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
10:07 am

“Its that their behavior could result in death. ”

thank god no heterosexuals ever died of a sexually transmitted disease …

oh, wait: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_syphilis_cases

Mick

March 26th, 2013
10:08 am

Dropping down to the 40’s tonite in miami….thank god…the summer is very, very, long and just around the corner…

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 26th, 2013
10:08 am

Doggone/GA

March 26th, 2013
10:05 am

I agree that it shouldn’t but…I don’t trust the con five to do the correct thing and rule on the constitutionality of the thing.

clem

March 26th, 2013
10:09 am

so why does God create gays? to live forever closeted and living a lie? never knowing true companionship? a loving God?

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
10:09 am

“Not mine, she’s a black and she’s not happy with you! ”

mine looks and sounds like Charles Kurault … and really doesn’t give a damn.

USinUK ... donde esta SPRING!!!???

March 26th, 2013
10:10 am

“so why does God create gays? to live forever closeted and living a lie? never knowing true companionship? a loving God?”

just like gingers.