U.S. boots on the ground in Syria? Only as a last option

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Mike Rogers, a Michigan Republican and head of the House Intelligence Committee, told the world Sunday that “I think that it is abundantly clear that that red line has been crossed” by Syria’s alleged use of chemical weapons against its own people, and that small numbers of U.S. forces must be put on the ground in Syria to fend off impending chaos in that country.

“Our Arab League allies talk to us frequently, and they are as frustrated as I have seen them because of the lack of U.S. leadership,” Rogers said on “Face the Nation.” However, the Obama administration says it has no conclusive proof that chemical weapons have been used in the conflict.

That echoes demands made last week by Lindsey Graham and John McCain, both of whom insisted that President Obama intervene militarily in Syria, including using US troops.

“Absolutely, you’ve got to get on the ground,” Graham said. “There is no substitute for securing these weapons, I don’t care what it takes. We need partners in the region. But I’m here to say, if the choice is to send in troops to secure the weapons sites versus allowing chemical weapons to get in the hands of some of the most violent people in the world, I vote to cut this off before it becomes a problem.”

All three men have been pushing for U.S. military intervention against neighboring Iran, as well.

As the New York Times reports, the CIA is already playing a central role in facilitating major arms shipments to Syrian rebels from neighboring Islamic countries friendly to the United States, including Turkey:

“The American government became involved, the former American official said, in part because there was a sense that other states would arm the rebels anyhow. The C.I.A. role in facilitating the shipments, he said, gave the United States a degree of influence over the process, including trying to steer weapons away from Islamist groups and persuading donors to withhold portable antiaircraft missiles that might be used in future terrorist attacks on civilian aircraft.

American officials have confirmed that senior White House officials were regularly briefed on the shipments. “These countries were going to do it one way or another,” the former official said. “They weren’t asking for a ‘Mother, may I?’ from us. But if we could help them in certain ways, they’d appreciate that.”

Sitting back and watching the type of brutality under way in Syria is difficult and frustrating, and the time may yet come when intervention is required. But for the time being, Syria strikes me as the type of problem that must be managed because solving it is not an option. Should the United States intervene more directly, as it did in Libya, it also takes on greater military, diplomatic and humanitarian responsibility for what happens next in that country. And as we should have learned in Iraq, intervening without a clear plan for what comes next is a very bad idea.

– Jay Bookman

739 comments Add your comment

Steve

March 25th, 2013
1:11 pm

by golly

March 25th, 2013
1:11 pm

Absolutely no!!!!!

Logical Dude

March 25th, 2013
1:16 pm

Graham said. “There is no substitute for securing these weapons, I don’t care what it takes.

How about a war tax hike?

stands for decibels

March 25th, 2013
1:17 pm

Can anyone remember when “Weapons of Mass Destruction” was first used as a descriptive phrase, and if it always included chemical and biological along with The Big One?

Doggone/GA

March 25th, 2013
1:17 pm

“Our Arab League allies talk to us frequently, and they are as frustrated as I have seen them because of the lack of U.S. leadership,” Rogers said

I want to know why the hell they need OUR “leadership”? The fight is in their backyard, let THEM lead for a change.

Logical Dude

March 25th, 2013
1:18 pm

“– Jay Bookman

But there are no heroes there,”

Jay, was there supposed to be more text in the post above?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 25th, 2013
1:18 pm

U.S. boots on the ground in Syria?

However, the Obama administration says it has no conclusive proof that chemical weapons have been used in the conflict.

But yet it is abundantly clear that a line has been crossed?

Oh geez, here we go again.

stands for decibels

March 25th, 2013
1:18 pm

“There is no substitute for securing these weapons, I don’t care what it takes.

How about if we have to send your closeted ass over there to do some actual fighting?

Alex

March 25th, 2013
1:19 pm

I think Kissinger said that the USA has recently been in 4 wars, all of which have been difficult to get out of, this would be the 5th. Sooner (and I hope so) or later the US has to realize it cannot police the world!

Joe Hussein Mama

March 25th, 2013
1:19 pm

FWIW, if Turkey calls on its NATO allies to come help out, we may well be *obliged* to render some sort of assistance. However, that doesn’t automatically imply a troop presence in-country.

Brosephus™

March 25th, 2013
1:22 pm

If/When Syria launches chemical weapons into the US, then we should attack. Until that point, let the Arab community deal with their issues.

Our military personnel have been stretched out since 2002 in conflict after conflict. PTSD is ever increasing and suicides are still a serious issue with our service people. Why don’t Congress take up arms and go fight themselves. These damn Republicans love talking about the 2nd Amendment. Be an example for once instead of forcing someone else to do what you want.

Granny Godzilla

March 25th, 2013
1:23 pm

Off topic….

My dad got notification that he has been selected for “Honor Flight”

How cool is that?

Brosephus™

March 25th, 2013
1:24 pm

GG

SWEET!!!!!!

Jay

March 25th, 2013
1:24 pm

Thanks for the heads up, logical. That stray phrase has been removed.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 25th, 2013
1:25 pm

GG — Is that when you’re a pilot for a memorial flyover, as in during a serviceman’s funeral service?

JamVet

March 25th, 2013
1:27 pm

How cool is that?

VERY.

http://www.honorflight.org/

We can’t all be heroes. Some of us must stand on the curb and clap as they go by. ~Will Rogers)

St Simons

March 25th, 2013
1:28 pm

but he’s a roofless dictater! (xtian conservative, tomaytoe, tomahto)
he gassed his own people!
we’ll be greeted as liberaters!
it’ll be over in 6 mos.
the oil will pay fer it!
support ‘merka, you merka hatin’ surrender monkeys!

No means no, Republicans.
what do they call men that don’t understand that in your tribe?

Granny Godzilla

March 25th, 2013
1:29 pm

Thanks guys….

Brosephus™

March 25th, 2013
1:29 pm

As a matter of fact, McCain (Navy), Graham (Air Force), and Rogers (Army, FBI) all have the proper training to go to Syria and do things for themselves. I’ll agree to boots on the ground in Syria if and only if it’s politicians doing the fighting themselves.

Stevie Ray

March 25th, 2013
1:30 pm

JAY

Can you or anyone here advise any scenario why we need to put any of our lives in harms way for this…..IMO, if they had troops or chemical weapons threatening our shores, that’s a good reason. Why get involved..historically, that approached has a pathetic bagging average as success..no reason why wouldn’t turn into IRAQ, Afghanistan, Iran (no boots but puppets), and may others…

The fact that this idea is even being tabled is disgusting to me.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 25th, 2013
1:32 pm

JamVet, thanks for the link. Now that IS cool. :)

Stevie Ray

March 25th, 2013
1:32 pm

Why should be even take a military position as opposed to simple political position on this? What are the odds that the same power vacuum that will result will be filled by worse? Or at least less stable…

Anything was better than the Taliban eh?

F. Sinkwich

March 25th, 2013
1:34 pm

I hoped that the rebels would have prevailed along time ago, what with us arming them and all. But it seems O’bozo’s decision to turn Iraq over to Iran has delayed things:

“Baghdad – Secretary of State John Kerry pressed Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Maliki on Sunday to stop Iran from flying arms across Iraqi territory to the beleaguered Syrian regime, but found him unwilling to give ground. “

TBS

March 25th, 2013
1:35 pm

GG

That is way cool. Tell your dad “thanks for his service”……

St Simons

March 25th, 2013
1:36 pm

fine, so long as we send Darth and Little Nero w/a Cowboy hat in first,
and i mean the front rowwwwww and git those WMDs they promised
were smuggled there, since they were not in Iraq (oops).

TBS

March 25th, 2013
1:36 pm

“But it seems O’bozo’s decision to turn Iraq over to Iran has delayed things:”

Seems your continued lies and spin on the Iraq troop withdraw has not been delayed

Checking in after the dictator gets another 4 years

March 25th, 2013
1:37 pm

We only need boots on the ground in ONE place. Our southern border. With the US economy still in shambles ” job wise”, the only Mexicans trying to get in are drugs dealers and criminals. God, there is no work here. If the news wasn’t filtered, you would know just how bad it is in the SW part of the country.

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 25th, 2013
1:37 pm

Yea. What do we care if a bunch of those Syrians get gassed? It’s not like they are white or Jewish or something like that.

TiredOfIt

March 25th, 2013
1:37 pm

And I thought we were broke?

Steve

March 25th, 2013
1:37 pm

As stupid as the American public is, and as stupid and backwards as our Congress is, and as easily Democrats can be swayed to the dark side, it would not surprise me if we stepped into Syria and made things worse, and spent gajillions more tax dollars in the process.

Erwin's cat

March 25th, 2013
1:38 pm

The fact that this idea is even being tabled is disgusting to me.

Yeah Stevie…let them all die!

Jerome Horwitz

March 25th, 2013
1:38 pm

Will ever learn? I think the US could support a UN Peacekeeping mandate, but, jumping headlong into someone elses mess. No!

Sagegirl

March 25th, 2013
1:38 pm

“There is no substitute for securing these weapons, I don’t care what it takes.”

You first, Lindsey.

Peadawg

March 25th, 2013
1:39 pm

“U.S. boots on the ground in Syria?”

No.

Simple answer to simple questions. I didn’t even have to read the rest of the article.

Jefferson

March 25th, 2013
1:39 pm

TBS

March 25th, 2013
1:41 pm

godless

Is it your contention that we should put troops on the ground in Syria?

Jackie

March 25th, 2013
1:41 pm

The armchair generals are puffing their chests again and failing to inform the public as to the consequences and costs of a war that does not concern the security and safety of the USA.

Steve

March 25th, 2013
1:41 pm

Now that gay can serve in the military, Ms. Graham now has no excuse not to serve.

Synonomous

March 25th, 2013
1:41 pm

Even as a last option, boots on the ground is highly unlikely – at least under this administration. Besides, the Russians are going to do everything they can to prevent the US or anyone else from too much direct physical involvement in Syria. Syria has been a Russian ally in the region since the 1960’s. They have too much at stake in terms of a warm-water port/refueling station, as well as the fact that Syria is a large buyer of Russian arms. So long as Assad is still breathing, the Russians will be with him. Once he stops breathing, well then we have to wait and see. I would assume the Russians will continue to attempt to be involved with a ‘Free’ Syria, at the very least to attempt to continue weapons sales (Syria has a lot of Soviet-era equipment – tanks, choppers, fighter aircraft, artillery, anti-aircraft systems, etc.; one of Russia’s major weapons sales programs involves upgrades to this equipment in Syria and elsewhere like in Vietnam and India) when possible.

Patrick

March 25th, 2013
1:43 pm

Any politician looking for an excuse to get the U.S. involved in ANOTHER military conflict in the middle east needs to have his head examined (at his/her own expense).

Apparently these folks don’t watch the news or read newspapers.

Stevie Ray

March 25th, 2013
1:43 pm

Erwin’s cat

March 25th, 2013
1:38 pm

And it’s our job to kill our kids for this? How come we don’t see Russians, Chinese etc pushing there way in? Why don’t we send our troops to all countries were people are starving or otherwise being oppressed.

If you and others are of the opinion that the lives of a single US soldier is worth getting into the fray…we will never agree. We too often have learned that we can’t get in the way of or otherwise arrest civil wars..all our intervention will do is postpone this…

How many feet on the ground do you think we would need to overthrow another government for whatever remains our “interest” in that place?

barking frog

March 25th, 2013
1:43 pm

Chemicals by Saddam against the Kurds, chemicals against the
Syrian rebels, can’t intel provide something about chemicals against
the Iranian hostages so Iran can go on the agenda as they are too slow
in developing Nukes.

Erwin's cat

March 25th, 2013
1:45 pm

No Stevie…you’re right…let them all die
we can’t be bothered

Stevie Ray

March 25th, 2013
1:47 pm

godless heathen – owner of many things he does not need

March 25th, 2013
1:37 pm

It’s civil war man. They need to sort their sh&t out without troops from other countries…look what happened in Yugoslavia once we tobbled that dictator? How many hundreds of thousands of Iraqi’s and afghans lost lives after we got involved?

If you think the job of our tax dollars is to cure all ills or otherwise accelerate outcomes, then we will never agree? If BO decides to do such (not likely) he will confirm once and for all that the defense (better described as offensive) policiy of Bush is his template..

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 25th, 2013
1:48 pm

Is it your contention that we should put troops on the ground in Syria?

Don’t know at this point. But I wouldn’t be so quick to say “Hell no, not unless they attack us first.”

There is a lot of responsibility in being the world’s only super power.

Why should the US be the one to stop genocide in some foreign land?
Because we can.

Regnad Kcin

March 25th, 2013
1:48 pm

“No Stevie…you’re right…let them all die
we can’t be bothered”

If only there was some middle way. Say, the CIA could co-ordinate weapons shipments to the rebels!

philosopher

March 25th, 2013
1:49 pm

Brosephus™

March 25th, 2013
1:29 pm

As a matter of fact, McCain (Navy), Graham (Air Force), and Rogers (Army, FBI) all have the proper training to go to Syria and do things for themselves. I’ll agree to boots on the ground in Syria if and only if it’s politicians doing the fighting themselves.

I am SO with you on this one… Can’t see Mr. Graham dirtying his lily-white hands, though…

Stevie Ray

March 25th, 2013
1:49 pm

barking frog

March 25th, 2013
1:43 pm

Now now…Chun King or whatever the new guy in NKorea is called would be offended if you didn’t recognize his ability to annihilate Los Angeles and the like with the push of a button..

Just not very courteous of you..

Joe Hussein Mama

March 25th, 2013
1:49 pm

Steve — “Now that gay can serve in the military, Ms. Graham now has no excuse not to serve.

To be fair, Senator Graham already serves. He’s a Colonel in the US Air Force Reserve and has been either active duty or in the Reserves for over 30 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lt._Gen._Jack_Rives_pins_Col._Lindsey_Graham.jpg

Bernie

March 25th, 2013
1:50 pm

As If putting Troops on the ground is really going to make things Better? or make it Far worse than it already is? We could NOT FIND Saddams WMD’s, what gives any of you confidence of finding ALL of the thousands of small canisters, that could easily slipped in a coat pocket and disappear?

Troops on the ground in country….Not Yet!

We would be better serve to ALL, by maintaining an intensive guard at All of the surrounding Borders and known paths of entrance.. For personal individual screenings going and coming. Like we get, When we FLY! That is what I would say, is the best Option for everyone involved.

Jerome Horwitz

March 25th, 2013
1:51 pm

Graham reminds me of an old David Spane movie – “He’s knucking futz!”

td

March 25th, 2013
1:51 pm

The problem with Syria is who do we support?

1: A brutal dictator that is in the pocket of Iran.
2: Islamic Jihadist rebels that hates the US and Israel.

williebkind

March 25th, 2013
1:52 pm

Since the conservatives are not very bright as quoted by many of the bloggers on this site, I highly recommend we send progressive liberals with blackjacked boots to Syria. This should end the conflict and we will never have a controversy about WMD’s. Only send the liberals and we will do a “honor flight” for them.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

March 25th, 2013
1:52 pm

NO WORRIES
OBAMA WILL SEND DRONES IN TO KILL ENOUGH WOMEN, CHILDREN AND ENEMIES UNTIL THE CONFLICT IS OVER

Peadawg

March 25th, 2013
1:52 pm

Syria hasn’t attacked us. NO. Stop policing the whole damn world ESPECIALLY in times like this.

Welcome to the Occupation

March 25th, 2013
1:53 pm

Jay: “Sitting back and watching the type of brutality under way in Syria is difficult and frustrating..”

Very strange statement — considering that it is our government that is doing a great deal to foment the slaughter, as your NYT quote suggests.

Trolls Bane

March 25th, 2013
1:53 pm

ahhh … we need a good war to provide some economic stimulus …

TBS

March 25th, 2013
1:53 pm

“Why should the US be the one to stop genocide in some foreign land?
Because we can.”
I haven’t totally decided a automatic “no” at this point either. However I am not sure we should be doing it now based on what I have read.

I think Clinton and Bush should have done more in Rwanda and the Sudan respectively but of course I don’t have all the information from DoD, CIA, NSA, etc that the POTUS has at his disposal.

williebkind

March 25th, 2013
1:54 pm

Bernie

March 25th, 2013
1:50 pm

Hey Bernie we may find Saddam’s WMDs stored in Syria. Now would that re-wright liberal history books.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 25th, 2013
1:54 pm

williebkind — “I highly recommend we send progressive liberals with blackjacked boots to Syria. This should end the conflict and we will never have a controversy about WMD’s. Only send the liberals and we will do a “honor flight” for them.”

This progressive liberal and disabled veteran says go jump in a lake.

td

March 25th, 2013
1:54 pm

Regnad Kcin

March 25th, 2013
1:48 pm

“No Stevie…you’re right…let them all die
we can’t be bothered”

If only there was some middle way. Say, the CIA could co-ordinate weapons shipments to the rebels!

Yes those same Rebels that have fought the US in Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan. Brilliant move.

Stevie Ray

March 25th, 2013
1:55 pm

godless heathen – owner of many things he does not need

March 25th, 2013
1:48 pm

Why does the world need a “superpower”? Are we the bastions of all that is right? Most foreign countries hate us and laugh at the idea of us given governmental pointers to others..yeah, lets give them pointers on how to spend responsibly, cater to interests with most money and create a void between has and has nots??

What do we get as a return on being whatever a “superpower’s” resume may suggest?

Joe Hussein Mama

March 25th, 2013
1:56 pm

williebkind — “Hey Bernie we may find Saddam’s WMDs stored in Syria.”

Really? Tell me how it got moved without anyone noticing.

Then again, at this point, the more reasonable story is that the alleged WMD was simply made up.

Regnad Kcin

March 25th, 2013
1:56 pm

“I highly recommend we send progressive liberals with blackjacked boots to Syria”

Why do you hate boots, and wha tgood will it do to blackjack them?

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 25th, 2013
1:57 pm

If you think the job of our tax dollars is to cure all ills or otherwise accelerate outcomes, then we will never agree? If BO decides to do such (not likely) he will confirm once and for all that the defense (better described as offensive) policiy of Bush is his template..

Tough choices, I admit. But the US can’t sit here safely in North America with our fingers in our ears going,”Waaa waaaa waaa, I don’t hear anything.”

Granny Godzilla

March 25th, 2013
1:57 pm

AS to the topic at hand….

boots on the ground in Syria?

Not at this time.

and IF the time comes, I expect to John, Lindsey and Mike geared up and ready to lead the boys and girls into the first battle.

Save the young….let the old fight.

barking frog

March 25th, 2013
1:57 pm

Does the United Nations actually exist or is that just a
cover for US intervention ?

TBS

March 25th, 2013
1:58 pm

td

One is a no brainer. There is no decision to be made in terms of supporting Assad. The US would only be going in to support the rebels, to stop genocide or both. Matter of fact the US is already aiding some rebel factions via supplies. Wouldn’t surprise me if through back door channels the CIA, MI5 and Mossad are also aiding some of the rebel factions with intelligence and strategy.

Erwin's cat

March 25th, 2013
1:58 pm

Most foreign countries hate us and laugh at the idea of us given governmental pointers to others.

hate us???….the people of most foreign countries could give 2 craps about us much less hate us…how does a country “hate”?

JamVet

March 25th, 2013
1:59 pm

Since we’ve had regime change in this country, the deadly incompetents and murderous religious fanatics are no longer in charge.

Hallelujah and amen!

td

March 25th, 2013
1:59 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

March 25th, 2013
1:56 pm

williebkind — “Hey Bernie we may find Saddam’s WMDs stored in Syria.”

Really? Tell me how it got moved without anyone noticing.

Then again, at this point, the more reasonable story is that the alleged WMD was simply made up.

The same way that most of the Iraq Air force ended up in Iran. Saddam had them moved for later use since it is the same party that ruled Syria and Iraq.

Steve

March 25th, 2013
1:59 pm

@Joe – now that is information I did not know…goes to show you that there have always been gays in the military

williebkind

March 25th, 2013
1:59 pm

“Why does the world need a “superpower”?”

It does not need one! The honor came by other countries exploiting the weaknesses of their neighbors and by treaties and congress we got involved. The honor was imposed upon us because of our natural resources and skilled citizens. Mostly those who did not attend liberal colleges.

fedup

March 25th, 2013
2:00 pm

No intervention with our troups. However those knuckle heads with their AR 15s can volunteer. This is your chance.

Granny Godzilla

March 25th, 2013
2:00 pm

williebkind — “I highly recommend we send progressive liberals with blackjacked boots to Syria. This should end the conflict and we will never have a controversy about WMD’s. Only send the liberals and we will do a “honor flight” for them.”

.
.
.
does the above post when read say anything other than

oink oink oink?

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 25th, 2013
2:00 pm

What do we get as a return on being whatever a “superpower’s” resume may suggest?

There will always be bullies on the block. The safest position is to be the biggest bully. Or we could just pull into our shell, gut defense spending, and if we are threatened then France will come to our rescue.

Steve

March 25th, 2013
2:01 pm

@godless – but the US stick its fingers in its ears not wanting to hear about spending money on our roads/schools/fire/police/infrastructure.

williebkind

March 25th, 2013
2:01 pm

“Really? Tell me how it got moved without anyone noticing.”
You dont remember the convoy of trucks leaving Iraq and heading into Syria? I saw it on TV.

TBS

March 25th, 2013
2:02 pm

“But the US can’t sit here safely in North America with our fingers in our ears going,”Waaa waaaa waaa, I don’t hear anything.”

I’m probably going to be called an America hater for this, but the US has done just that on numerous occasions over many, many years. On one hand, the US provides a lot of support all over the world that has assisted millions, but let’s not pretend that Geo Political associations don’t come into play many times when the US steps in.

barking frog

March 25th, 2013
2:03 pm

The need for a superpower requires the need for superpower
financing.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 25th, 2013
2:03 pm

td — “The same way that most of the Iraq Air force ended up in Iran. Saddam had them moved for later use since it is the same party that ruled Syria and Iraq.”

Once again, tell me how it supposedly got moved without anyone noticing.

The Bush Administration claimed vast stockpiles of WMDs as well as factories and research plants. Once on the ground, nada. Not even a *trace* of this supposed widespread weapons development.

Either Saddam Hussein was capable of moving vast quantities of WMDs and industrial equipment hundreds of miles without leaving a single trace, witness or suspicious satellite snapshot of the operation, or else the WMD, development and stockpiles were all bulldada.

Your move.

Erwin's cat

March 25th, 2013
2:03 pm

Steve – @godless – but the US stick its fingers in its ears not wanting to hear about spending money on our roads/schools/fire/police/infrastructure.

we got no time and money to save lives…we got potholes to take care of

Steve

March 25th, 2013
2:04 pm

@Erwins – so when we went to war with Iraq and 200,000+ innocent Iraqis died, we were saving lives?

Joe Hussein Mama

March 25th, 2013
2:04 pm

williebkind — “You dont remember the convoy of trucks leaving Iraq and heading into Syria? I saw it on TV.”

I saw lots of convoys on TV at the time, but not a single whit of evidence that any of them carried WMD or related material.

TBS

March 25th, 2013
2:05 pm

EC

Just asking, not being snarky.

Did you say the same during the genocides that took place in Rwanda and the Sudan?

williebkind

March 25th, 2013
2:05 pm

“oink oink oink?”

GG if I were Muslim I would be deeply offended.

JamVet

March 25th, 2013
2:05 pm

Teh stoopids like Rogers serve a wonderful purpose.

They give the American voters a very clear picture of their options.

Not that the toxic Bush Doctrine needs much help in that regard…

UNCLE SAMANTHA

March 25th, 2013
2:06 pm

NO BOOTS ON THE GROUND

DRONES IN THE AIR

KIDS BOOTS IN THE AIR

williebkind

March 25th, 2013
2:06 pm

“I saw lots of convoys on TV at the time, but not a single whit of evidence that any of them carried WMD or related material.”

Ahhh, and the mystery continues–or is it denial.

td

March 25th, 2013
2:07 pm

Right now it is not our national interest to get involved in this conflict. If the Syrian government or the rebels started attacking Turkey or Israel then we would get involved. There is no oil in Syria and the government is pro Iran and the rebels are Islamic Jihadist that hates America so I say let them all kill each other for now.

Just Saying..

March 25th, 2013
2:07 pm

Makes you wonder if their closest friends are in munitions, or caskets…

Erwin's cat

March 25th, 2013
2:07 pm

Steve
so you moved the goal posts to Iraqi lives instead of local infrastructure..

200k is less than a million so who knows

TBS

March 25th, 2013
2:07 pm

Operation Iraqi Freedom – 2003
An Iraqi MiG-25 Foxbat found buried under the sand west of Baghdad.

By 2003, Iraq’s air power numbered an estimated 180, of which only about a half were flyable.[18] In late 2002, a Yugoslav weapons company provided servicing for the MiG-21s and MiG-23s, violating the UN sanctions.[18] An aviation institute in Bijeljina, Bosnia and Herzegovina, supplied the engines and spare parts.[19] These however, were too late to improve the condition of Iraq’s air force.

On the brink of the US led invasion, Saddam Hussein disregarded his air force’s wishes to defend the country’s airspace against coalition aircraft and ordered the bulk of his fighters disassembled or buried. Air Vice Marshal Abed Hamed Mowhoush was apparently the air force commander immediately prior to the war. Some were later found by US excavation forces around the Al Taqqadum and Al Asad air bases, including MiG-25s and Su-25s.[20] The IQAF proved to be totally non-existent during the invasion; a few helicopters were seen but no fighters flew to combat coalition aircraft.[21]

During the occupation phase, most of Iraq’s combat aircraft (mainly MiG-23s, MiG-25s and Su-25s) were found by American and Australian forces in poor condition at several air bases throughout the country while others were discovered buried.[22] Most of the IQAF’s aircraft were destroyed during and after the invasion, and all remaining equipment was junked or scrapped in the immediate aftermath of the war. None of the aircraft acquired during Saddam’s time remained in service.[16]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Air_Force

skipper

March 25th, 2013
2:08 pm

Helluva note……….
Over throw the dictator, and what will you end up with over there? That is not the most stable part of the world to begin with, and some of the “rebels” would make the present leader look pretty mild. The place may end up with a bunch of “Islamists” that make the present situation look rather mild.

JamVet

March 25th, 2013
2:08 pm

American superpower? A qualified yes.

Republican stupidpower? An unreserved no.

td

March 25th, 2013
2:08 pm

Should have said that our national interest is best served right now for both sides to continue to kill each other.

Granny Godzilla

March 25th, 2013
2:08 pm

williebkind

if you were a muslim…..they’d become catholic.

curious

March 25th, 2013
2:08 pm

Looks like another Hundred Year War is in the making.
Even the Crusaders finally figured it out and stopped. Hopefully we’re smarter, but if not:
Propose a draft and this talk will cease.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 25th, 2013
2:09 pm

williebkind — “Ahhh, and the mystery continues”

The only mystery here is why y’all continue to claim there were huge Iraqi stockpiles of WMD when there is not a single shred of evidence that there ever *were* such stockpiles.

“or is it denial.”

In the absence of any proof on your side, the only denial taking place is your own. In short, you’ve got nothing but supposition and imagination.

DebbieDoRight - Trapped In A Red Closet

March 25th, 2013
2:10 pm

EC – “Yeah Stevie let them all die!!”

EC I’m surprised that you actually CARE what happens in Syria when you could care LESS about the indigent, the hungry, the citizens without medicine and medical care, the old, the young, the people who can’t find jobs after being laid off for months, on OUR shores.

It seems to me, EC that perhaps you love Syria more than you love America. If so, that would explain a lot.