The unspoken secret at the heart of the GOP report

Rereading the RNC’s post-election autopsy, I remain impressed by its candor and honesty. However, I am also struck by the limitations of its honesty, by the things that authors of the report were forced to leave unsaid because they would strike much too close to home.

In three separate sections, the report repeats the following statement, word for word:

“The Republican Party is one of tolerance and respect, and we need to ensure that the tone of our message is always reflective of these core principles.”

In four separate sections, when discussing outreach to groups outside the GOP’s current small tent, the document’s authors repeat a second statement, again word for word, as if proposing it as a mantra:

“We need to campaign among Hispanic, black, Asian, and gay Americans and demonstrate we care about them, too.”

“Tone” is also a word that pops up repeatedly as a major challenge.

– “Too often Republican elected officials spoke about issues important to the Hispanic community using a tone that undermined the GOP brand within Hispanic communities.”

– “The RNC must more effectively highlight our young leaders and fundamentally change the tone we use to talk about issues and the way we are communicating with voters.”

– On messaging, we must change our tone — especially on certain social issues that are turning off young voters.

Yet the report does not address the source of this clearly problematic tone. Is it some sort of accident, or maybe some cruel cosmic joke, that so many different groups feel aggrieved not only by the GOP message, but by how that message is communicated? (The report suggests that women and the legendary “47 percent” have likewise been given grounds to feel offended.)

If the tone is purely a matter of rhetorical style, then yes, it can be addressed through creation of what the report dubs the “Growth and Opportunity Inclusion Council.” Among other functions, the proposed council “will establish a training program available to all Republican candidates that would educate them on the particular culture, aspirations, positions on issues, contributions to the country, etc., of the demographic group they are trying to reach.”

That’s a laudable step. Unfortunately, the evidence strongly suggests that the problem runs much deeper than mere style. The GOP’s tone toward Hispanics, for example, is not some unexplainable phenomenon. It is instead an accurate reflection of a party base that is distrustful of and threatened by the Hispanic influx, and that expects its leaders to reflect that sentiment in its rhetoric. That’s not something that you can express “respectfully.” In fact, the same attitudes that drive the party’s tone toward Hispanics have driven its policies as well. Tone and policy are fruit of the same stem.

Likewise, the GOP’s tone and its policies toward the “47 percent” are predicated on a sneering lack of respect for those who for whatever reason have not yet managed to achieve the American dream. In the Republican world view, economic success is perceived as a legitimate, almost always accurate gauge of personal character. (Donald Trump ought to serve as a one-person repudiation of that theory, but for some reason does not.)

That belief sets up a reassuring logic circle: Those who need help are by definition not deserving of it. And those who are deserving of it clearly don’t need it. That’s the basic attitude of many in the base, and it is also the attitude driving the Ryan budget proposal. As long as that underlying attitude is reinforced by party leadership, trying to change the tone in which that disdain is expressed is like trying to teach a cow to ice skate.

To cite yet another example, the party’s harsh tone toward gay Americans reflects its harsh policies, and vice versa, because opposition to gay rights and gay people has been a uniting feature of the party for decades. It is impossible to expect the party as a whole to speak respectfully to and about gay Americans when in fact much of the party base does not feel that respect.

I don’t mean to disparage “inclusion councils” and other forms of attempted outreach. But the GOP’s tone toward those outside its circle will change only as its policies change, and the policies and tone together will change only as attitudes change.

For understandable reasons, those who drafted the report released today did not dare to press that point home.

– Jay Bookman

525 comments Add your comment

liberal hack

March 18th, 2013
3:58 pm

liberal hack

March 18th, 2013
3:58 pm

kitty

March 18th, 2013
3:59 pm

Until the hearts and minds change towards gays and immigrants legal or otherwise, any change in tone will come out sounding self serving because it will be.

liberal hack

March 18th, 2013
4:00 pm

Jay, what are you trying to say here, that GOP’ers are racist homophobic in nature?

kitty

March 18th, 2013
4:03 pm

I suspect he will ultimately call them laughable as they try to sound like they actually want gays around. It would be laughable if it won’t be so obviously hypocritical.

Jay

March 18th, 2013
4:05 pm

I said what I was trying to say, Hack.

What are YOU trying to say?

Joe Hussein Mama

March 18th, 2013
4:05 pm

Doom, FYI from downstairs.

The VA and the Army/Navy/AF health care systems are completely separate entities.

Walter Reed AMC = Army, not VA.

FWIW, once you retire or are discharged and are transitioned to the VA, you’ll find that the VA system doesn’t know the first thing about you unless and until you (or your former service) forwards your medical records to them.

Thomas Heyward Jr

March 18th, 2013
4:07 pm

” Among other functions, the proposed council “will establish a training program available to all Republican candidates that would educate them on the particular culture, aspirations, positions on issues, contributions to the country, etc., of the demographic group they are trying to reach.”
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O…………..M……………..God.
America will soon be one big culturally diverse…………………… Detroit .

Jay

March 18th, 2013
4:08 pm

The RNC clearly believes it has a tone problem, at the least, in dealing with such groups, Hack.

So if you disagree with my assessment, what’s yours?

Do you believe that no tone problem exists? Or do you believe it exists, but is caused by something else?

Peadawg

March 18th, 2013
4:10 pm

LIBERAL HACK BASHING REPUBLICANS AGAIN. DON’T YOU HAVE ANYTHING BETTER TO DO?

jewcowboy

March 18th, 2013
4:10 pm

The Republican Party Platform last year advocated:

1) a Constitutional Amendment banning marriage equality,
2) a renewed ban on gays and lesbians in the military, and
3) supporting efforts to criminalize homosexuality in Africa.

I and 58% of Americans don’t give a sh!t about their “tone”. they seem to be lacking on the thing called substance. Rather than just repackaging them, the GOP might want to change their entire stance some of those actual issues,

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 18th, 2013
4:10 pm

…and the policies and tone together will change only as attitudes change.

As evidenced downstairs, that attitude hasn’t changed.

Nor do I see much evidence that they want it to change.

jewcowboy

March 18th, 2013
4:10 pm

The Republican Party Platform last year advocated:

1) a Constitutional Amendment banning marriage equality,
2) a renewed ban on gays and lesbians in the military, and
3) supporting efforts to criminalize homosexuality in Africa.

I and 58% of Americans don’t give a crap about their “tone”. they seem to be lacking on the thing called substance. Rather than just repackaging them, the GOP might want to change their entire stance some of those actual issues.

Erwin's cat

March 18th, 2013
4:12 pm

Nor do I see much evidence that they want it to change.

reading between the lines here
the only thing they really want to change is how they are perceived

Joe Hussein Mama

March 18th, 2013
4:12 pm

Jay, I can’t tell you how many times conservative friends and business acquaintances of mine have asked me if my Hispanic wife is a citizen over the 20 years we’ve been together (she was born here to US citizen parents).

I don’t want to call it racism, but I do believe that there’s some sort of prejudice-ridden mechanism involved with mainstream conservative thought when it comes to Hispanics. Even when discussing conservative Hispanics, it seems that sooner or later (usually sooner) the nugget comes up in which the background and heritage — along with validation of the Hispanic GOPer’s citizenship — gets prominent mention.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 18th, 2013
4:13 pm

Rather than just repackaging them…

New and improved merde.

And it’s from France!

jewcowboy

March 18th, 2013
4:14 pm

The problem with GOP isn’t that their “tone” is off…it’s that their tone reflects an honesty in the beliefs of a majority within it. And therein lies the problem. The majority of American people hear what the GOP is saying, understand what the GOP means and rejects the GOP because of it.

No amount of PR spin is gonna change that,

Joe Hussein Mama

March 18th, 2013
4:15 pm

E. Cat — “the only thing they really want to change is how they are perceived”

I believe this may be closer to the truth than some might like to admit.

jewcowboy

March 18th, 2013
4:16 pm

“New and improved merde.

And it’s from France!”

Freedom merde.

thinkkoolaid

March 18th, 2013
4:16 pm

the democratic party should get on their knees and thank the political gods for this lame effort by the tea party….errr…RNC.
too late bubble people, until FAUX NOISE and Rush Lamebaugh tone down THEIR message, you are doomed to repeat the same behavior and the SAME Outcome in 2014 and 2016. The Democrats should contribute money to the RNC to they make sure they have enough to attempt this bubble breaking effort!

Bernie

March 18th, 2013
4:17 pm

The Secret that everyone knows…”WE are far more STUPID, than we are willing to Admit to the World”

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 18th, 2013
4:17 pm

Well, I think we can make our message appeal to all the groups that never voted for us.

Women, for example. We shouldn’t talk about ramming something up their You Know What to make sure they’re still carrying a baby. Instead we need to talk about “monitoring the woman’s welfare more than the librul Democrats do.”

And when it comes to dealing with the illegals, we shouldn’t talk about making things so rough for them that they “self-deport.” Instead we need to talk about “monitoring employment opportunities for minorities so that they can keep in touch with their home country.”

It’s the way we’re getting out our message. Problem is, right now they understand it and don’t like it one bit. So let’s juice things up, confuse them and make them think we’re on their side.

That’s my opinion and it’s very true. Have a good night everybody.

JamVet

March 18th, 2013
4:17 pm

It all sounds nice, but I have zero optimism that these fanatics are ever going to learn their lesson. However a few more electoral beatdowns may do the trick.

In the meantime, many, including several GOP higher-ups, are scared that they are staring straight into the face of being a permanent political minority…

Jim Gilmore, a former chairman of the Republican National Committee, says the GOP is quickly becoming a “permanent minority.”

“I don’t think the party dies immediately,” Gilmore says. “It’s not going to just disappear like the Whigs did, since there is so much law that supports the two-party system. But Republicans will be locked into a permanent minority at the national level unless we seriously rethink our approach.”

Gilmore, a former Virginia governor, spoke with National Review Online on Wednesday. He says he and other longtime Republican leaders have been privately fretting about the GOP’s future since Mitt Romney’s defeat.

“The world has changed beneath us,” Gilmore says. “Shrillness and extreme language are driving away the voters who could help us build a majority. We’re not speaking to them as reasonable conservatives. Republicans have to decide if they want to govern or play ideological parlor games.”

“It’s a real political problem when Hispanics don’t believe that the Republican party is their friend,” he warns. “You’ve got to fix that.”

In the coming months, Gilmore hopes the GOP will do more to focus on economic issues and push the theme of empowerment.

“The plain truth is that we need more economic growth in this country,” he says. “This must become our new national mission, as well as our party’s mission, and we are not doing it, or even discussing it.”

Gilmore does not think a third party will successfully ascend as the GOP struggles. But that doesn’t mean Republicans should rest easy. “Among most conservatives, there is still brand loyalty to Republicans, but that’s not enough to win national elections,” he says.

kitty

March 18th, 2013
4:18 pm

With the heartfelt vitriol towards gays, the poor and immigrants does anyone actually believe the GOP can do more than superficial change at least in the short run? Just listen to the ugliness of the titles of the breakout group names and their leaders at CPAC? There is too much hate towards those groups.

Fred ™

March 18th, 2013
4:19 pm

Hey Jay? Wanna be in an NCAA basketball pool? Free one with no prize but bragging rights?

East Lake Ira

March 18th, 2013
4:21 pm

East Lake Ira
Posted this below but here it is again: I don’t have time to read all the comments but from reading Jay’s post I’ll weigh in with this:

The moment the GOP begins to respect me, treat me like a reasonable non-supporter, and is willing to engage me or the likes of me in a meaniingful dialogue is the moment I will listen.

The GOP slammed the door in my face long before I wrote them off. I don’t want an apology nor do I want them to just give in to my every request. I want them to be reasonable and have a fair and open discussion.

If they do that, I’m willing to listen.

DownInAlbany

March 18th, 2013
4:22 pm

Has this been her stance all along or is she just another political chameleon?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/18/hillary-clinton-gay-marriage_n_2900557.html

kitty

March 18th, 2013
4:22 pm

Redneck convert hit the new language on the head and it will come across as ridiculous. No one will believe it except those who believe anything put out by the GOP so they feel better.

JohnnyReb

March 18th, 2013
4:23 pm

So many replies, so little time. Here’s one on illegal immigrants – arithmetic.

No one, and I mean no one should think Republicans will agree to a change that gives citizenship to illegals.

In one way, illegals have sealed their own fate in becoming citizens by voting overwhelmingly Democrat.

Simple match and logic shows that should 11 million illegals be given the right to vote, there goes the Republican party ever winning another POTUS election.

moonbat betty

March 18th, 2013
4:23 pm

Yes, the libs have their finger on the heartbeat of the GOP. lol

Perhaps they should worry more about themselves, but I suppose this would be unnecessary since they have not presented any viable candidates (or ideas) going forward to 2016.

Granny Godzilla

March 18th, 2013
4:23 pm

While I applaud the effort at introspection, it’s probably too late for it to be effective.

The split in the party is too deep and too wide.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 18th, 2013
4:24 pm

I believe that the Fredrick Douglas CPAC exchange is representative of a portion of the GOP party. Certainly that particular attendee felt comfortable in expressing that opinion and that he was not alone. It’s not representative of the entire party or all of its members but the fact that the GOP has to deal carefully with its members who hole similar views or other crazy views like the birthers makes its “tone” code words trying to bury them deeper in code words but not truly addressing the intellectual depravity of their thoughts. The GOP regularly uses codes like Dem Plantation to ingrain this depravity deeper into their core.

Class of '98

March 18th, 2013
4:24 pm

Will liberals at least admit there is a REASON that Hispanics risk their lives to come to this country?

I’m not against Hispanics. What I am against is seeing our country slowly come to resemble the countries they are fleeing. If that offends some, so be it. The truth hurts sometimes.

And liberals use that as a way to blanket anyone who is not for open borders and anyone who does not have an “everyone is welcome” position to be xenophobic and racist.

Democrats have been very successful in recent elections, I grant you that. What I am more concerned about is whether or not the country and society that liberals so dearly yearn for us to become will be a country ANYONE wants to be a part of in a few more decades.

Erwin's cat

March 18th, 2013
4:25 pm

The split in the party is too deep and too wide

it’s what the left would call “celebrating their diversity”

jms

March 18th, 2013
4:25 pm

GOP should focus on being fiscal conservatives once again. Give up on social issues

TBS

March 18th, 2013
4:25 pm

moonbat @ 4:23

They could be over confident and hoping that Republicans show up with another McCain or Romney

:-)

Morality?

March 18th, 2013
4:26 pm

Jay continues the Repub bashing – nothin’ new just bash, bash, bash. 99.9 % of Jay’s comments are anti Repub. Rarely does he comment on the Dems and only .01 % of the time does he find fault with them. Jay’s bias continues….. so when you read “Jay” consider the source. An open minded person would realize that this ball & chain Fed debt was created by BOTH sides over decades of wild spending on socialist social programs.

kitty

March 18th, 2013
4:26 pm

People can change, DIA. If her actions follow her words it works for me. The Dems at least haven’t called for a constiitutional amendment that excludes a lot of people from the same rights and privileges I have.

Erwin's cat

March 18th, 2013
4:26 pm

I’m not against Hispanics. What I am against is seeing our country slowly come to resemble the countries they are fleeing

I gather you’ve never been to Hispaniclandia

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 18th, 2013
4:27 pm

They could be over confident and hoping that Republicans show up with another McCain or Romney

Elmer Fudd?

JamVet

March 18th, 2013
4:27 pm

Perhaps there is some optimism that reasonable Republicans, in reasonable numbers, will finally figure out that they were completely played like cheap, trickle-down fiddles for the past few decades.

For many, if not most of them, they are no better off than they were when that B actor first stepped into the White House.

Is it actually possible that millions of GOPers will finally wake up to the now obvious fact that the hyper-concentration of wealth and power into a tiny few hands is very bad for them and their families?

Let us all hope so, and hope it happens sooner rather than later…

Joe Hussein Mama

March 18th, 2013
4:27 pm

jms — “GOP should . . . Give up . . . ”

Well said.

TBS

March 18th, 2013
4:28 pm

“I gather you’ve never been to Hispaniclandia”

Well he did have a margarita at the local Tex Mex joint on Saturday.

Class of '98

March 18th, 2013
4:28 pm

One more thought… liberals and the media (redundant, I know) have convinced many ill-informed people that this country can be both a welfare state and have open borders at the same time. We may perhaps pull that off for a few more years, but whether liberals like it or not, we must one day choose.

We can either have open borders or have vast, expensive social safety nets.

We cannot have both. The laws of economics are still undefeated. Ask Marx.

Peadawg

March 18th, 2013
4:29 pm

“they have not presented any viable candidates (or ideas) going forward to 2016″

Hillary Clinton says, “What?”

Gale

March 18th, 2013
4:29 pm

DAI, you need to remember that not so long ago, it would have been political suicide to declare support for gay marriage.

Morality?

March 18th, 2013
4:30 pm

Samuel L. Jackson in Ebony Magazine interview opens up by admitting “I didn’t vote for Obama ’cause he’s got a plan to save America. He ain’t got no G D plan to save America. I voted for Obama ’cause he’s black.”

Jay

March 18th, 2013
4:30 pm

I could probably get talked into that, Fred.

Patrick

March 18th, 2013
4:31 pm

Oooohhh!

I hear Hispaniclandia is lovely this time of year!

jewcowboy

March 18th, 2013
4:32 pm

“What I am against is seeing our country slowly come to resemble the countries they are fleeing.”

If you mean a country where all the economic benefits go to the rich rather than the working class, creating a huge wealth gap, then you should thank Republican policies for making the US resemble the 3rd world.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 18th, 2013
4:34 pm

Jay continues the Repub bashing – nothin’ new just bash, bash, bash.

Morality?

March 18th, 2013
10:53 am

[...] I am a FISCAL conservative which means that I am loyal to the FISCAL future of the USA and loyal to no party.

And yet here you are being a whiny ass t*tty baby about Jay “Repub bashing”.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

JamVet

March 18th, 2013
4:34 pm

Reagan, Gingrich, Rove and Bush all lied to you trickle-down faithful.

You’re not in the worshiped moneyed class. You’re not one of the makers and producers. You’re not even able to afford your family’s health insurance.

Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV
And you think you’re so clever and class less and free
But you’re still _______ peasants as far as I can see

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njG7p6CSbCU

Jay

March 18th, 2013
4:35 pm

“No one, and I mean no one should think Republicans will agree to a change that gives citizenship to illegals.”

– Johnny Reb

“Immigrants who are in the United States illegally could become citizens in 13 years under a plan being developed by a bipartisan Senate group, matching the overall wait proposed by the Obama administration, a person familiar with the negotiations said Sunday.”

– The Washington Post

jewcowboy

March 18th, 2013
4:35 pm

“GOP should focus on being fiscal conservatives once again. Give up on social issues”

GOP fiscal policies for the past 30 years have put us where we are now. I’m not sure that is a better platform than social issues for them.

moonbat betty

March 18th, 2013
4:36 pm

‘98,

The new liberal mindset is “live for now, not tomorrow!”

2016 ~ “Live for NOW, not tomorrow!” Vote Liberal Pookie Sugarbritches!

Granny Godzilla

March 18th, 2013
4:36 pm

Class of ‘98

March 18th, 2013
4:24 pm

Will liberals at least admit there is a REASON that Hispanics risk their lives to come to this country?

.
.
.
Could you please clarify that statement…..

What is the REAL REASON?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 18th, 2013
4:36 pm

We can either have open borders or have vast, expensive social safety nets.

Reagan’s 1986 amnesty says, “What?”

YouLibs

March 18th, 2013
4:37 pm

morality

Republicans continue the Obama bashing – nothin’ new just bash, bash, bash. 99.9 % of gop’s comments are anti Obama. Rarely do they comment on the Reps and only .01 % of the time do they find fault with them. Gop bias continues….. so when you read “GOP” consider the source. An open minded person would realize that this ball & chain Fed debt was created by BOTH sides over decades of wild spending on socialist social programs

You would be amazed by how few keystrokes it took to do that.

moonbat betty

March 18th, 2013
4:37 pm

98,

The liberal mindset is “live for now, not tomorrow!”

2016 ~ “Live for NOW, not tomorrow!”

Vote for Mr./Mrs. “I am the government and I’m here to help”

Morality?

March 18th, 2013
4:38 pm

Neither party has a clue of what to do with this Fed debt or lackluster economy. Nor do they have the heart or guts to do anything. 7 1/2 % ( counting those that just quit looking – more like 10%) unemployment is nothing to celebrate. Especially when you realize that those on the disability dole (the new welfare) has more than doubled since Obama entered office. This do nothin’ Congress is over payed and we can start cutting the deficit with these under performers.

Thulsa Doom

March 18th, 2013
4:40 pm

Doom — “The irony of your post is that you counter my criticism of poorly managed govt care in Britain with an appalling example of poorly run “govt health care” here in the U.S.”

You asked, I replied.

Joe mama,

In other words you cannot find a comparable example in the private U.S. medical system similar to what I posted about the Enlish NHS disaster at Staffordshire.

Yes. There is a distinction between VA care and regular military care that I didn’t think about. It just didn’t seem like an important point to me since I’ve seen retired military personnel treated at the Maxwell active duty hospital in Montgomery.

That Black Guy

March 18th, 2013
4:40 pm

To cite yet another example, the party’s harsh tone toward gay Americans reflects its harsh policies, and vice versa, because opposition to gay rights and gay people has been a uniting feature of the party for decades. It is impossible to expect the party as a whole to speak respectfully to and about gay Americans when in fact much of the party base does not feel that respect.
_____________________________________
Do you know where I hear the harshest tones about gays?

From the Black community.

bookman parrot

March 18th, 2013
4:40 pm

to

JamVet

March 18th, 2013
4:17 pm
“It all sounds nice, but I have zero optimism that these fanatics are ever going to learn their lesson. However a few more electoral beatdowns may do the trick. ”
You are correct that a few more election losses will finally silence anyone that believes in individual and fiscal responsibility and the lib fanatics will get their third world country where gov’t controls way too much

Erwin's cat

March 18th, 2013
4:41 pm

Well he did have a margarita at the local Tex Mex joint on Saturday.

or stayed at a La Quinta Inn

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 18th, 2013
4:42 pm

2016 ~ “Live for NOW, not tomorrow!”

Palin says (paraphrased): “Drill Baby Drill…. the kids can deal with the climate change.”

Welcome to the Occupation

March 18th, 2013
4:42 pm

“Those who need help are by definition not deserving of it. And those who are deserving of it clearly don’t need it. That’s the basic attitude of many in the base, and it is also the attitude driving the Ryan budget proposal”

You know it occurs to me:

Any professed desire for a “change of heart” on the part of a Republican party that still hasn’t dumped Paul Ryan …

… is probably a fraud.

Logical Dude

March 18th, 2013
4:42 pm

examples of using the wrong “tone”

“If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.” – Todd Akin
“I think even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen.” – Richard Mourdock
“Self Deport” – Mitt Romney
“Taxed Enough Already” – when we are at our lowest tax rates in decades.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 18th, 2013
4:42 pm

<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/18/panorama-iraq-fresh-wmd-claims"Fresh evidence is revealed today about how MI6 and the CIA were told through secret channels by Saddam Hussein’s foreign minister and his head of intelligence that Iraq had no active weapons of mass destruction.

Tony Blair told parliament before the war that intelligence showed Iraq’s nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons programme was “active”, “growing” and “up and running”.

A special BBC Panorama programme tonight will reveal how British and US intelligence agencies were informed by top sources months before the invasion that Iraq had no active WMD programme, and that the information was not passed to subsequent inquiries.

Ruh, roh.

YouLibs

March 18th, 2013
4:43 pm

morality

“Neither party has a clue of what to do with this Fed debt or lackluster economy…”

I could not disagree more vigorously.

Both parties know what to do, it’s just that the party not in power is blocking all attempts to pass meaningful legislation because the party in power would get credit for it

moonbat betty

March 18th, 2013
4:43 pm

“They could be over confident and hoping that Republicans show up with another McCain or Romney”

TBS,

That’s true. It may be the Dems who run Elmer Fudd this time.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 18th, 2013
4:44 pm

Road Scholar

March 18th, 2013
4:44 pm

Tone? Definitely content…that is truthful content vs previously the conserves stating “know the topics but do not tell us what you really want to do”!

Morality?

March 18th, 2013
4:44 pm

4:43 – If you made any sense it would help …. but common sense is not a trait of the progressives.

That Black Guy

March 18th, 2013
4:44 pm

From down stairs but related:

Regnad Kcin
March 18th, 2013
1:27 pm
Priebus: “Third-party groups that promote purity are hurting our electoral prospects. As Noonan quoted Scarborough again, “The national conversation is more constricted, with radio stars, websites and magazines functioning as unofficial arbiters and limiters of domestic and foreign policy debate.”
You can prove it by the posts here. The GOP has no chance at reform – sorry TBG.
____________________________________
Because no group EVER changes.
The democrat party has NEVER changed
The republician party has NEVER changed
NAACP has NEVER changed.

Nope, groups, and to further it, PEOPLE *NEVER* change.

Not.Possible.Ever.

Welcome to the Occupation

March 18th, 2013
4:45 pm

“No one, and I mean no one should think Republicans will agree to a change that gives citizenship to illegals”

Somebody’s about to get his little heart broken.

Look here, I got a word for you:

AMNESTY

It’s going down your throat.

Thulsa Doom

March 18th, 2013
4:45 pm

“Likewise, the GOP’s tone and its policies toward the “47 percent” are predicated on a sneering lack of respect for those who for whatever reason have not yet managed to achieve the American dream.”

So how is it a “sneering lack of respect” the fact that 47% of us don’t pay federal taxes outside of Fica. If its true then its true. Why are liberals so “offended” by a simple fact of life- namely that we can’t keep on a course where nearly half of us aren’t contributing. Its just another of those uncomfortable truths that ya’ll love to get all offended over.

Fred ™

March 18th, 2013
4:46 pm

Well Jay and anyone else: Go to this site http://ajc.collegehoops.upickem.net

Register or sign in. If you have already signed up for the AJC use that registration

From there click groups:

Choose Private groups:

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YouLibs

March 18th, 2013
4:47 pm

morality

I think I probably made a lot of sense to those who aren’t heavily invested in denial.

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 18th, 2013
4:47 pm

Hey Jay? Wanna be in an NCAA basketball pool? Free one with no prize but bragging rights?

I’m game. I have a coin to flip for my picks.

Jay

March 18th, 2013
4:47 pm

Morality, explain to me the right wing’s obsession with that quote.

Is Samuel L. Jackson some renowned expert in politics or governance, or just an actor who makes money pretending to be other people? You guys treat that quote like a four-year-old treats his favorite teddy bear, hugging it to your chest everytime you feel threatened.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 18th, 2013
4:47 pm

Doom — “Joe mama, In other words you cannot find a comparable example in the private U.S. medical system similar to what I posted about the Enlish NHS disaster at Staffordshire.”

In other words, I looked for an example of what you asked for — widespread hospital mismanagement in the US where a large number of doctors and nurses didn’t lose their jobs. You now have such an example. What you do with it is up to you. Shrug.

“Yes. There is a distinction between VA care and regular military care that I didn’t think about.”

I know.

“It just didn’t seem like an important point to me since I’ve seen retired military personnel treated at the Maxwell active duty hospital in Montgomery.”

If you’re going to caution me about not speaking ill of the VA, then perhaps you should be certain that I’m actually speaking of the VA — instead of a non-VA hospital — before issuing your warning.

That Black Guy

March 18th, 2013
4:48 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 18th, 2013
3:10 pm
TBG, this may be of interest to you: http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/03/18/1732711/the-gops-growth-and-opportunity-project-debunked-in-one-table/
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Keep, although I hate to go to that site (like Redstate, I hate to give them even 1 site hit), I went to it. I’m hoping that what the RNC chair was saying is “We have got to stop that kind of sht or cease to exist”

Erwin's cat

March 18th, 2013
4:48 pm

From there click groups:

Choose Private groups:

Look for Political Blowhards

Password is Bookman

lol…i’ll get the darts out this evening ’cause I have no idea how to rank anyone this year

JamVet

March 18th, 2013
4:48 pm

Nor do they have the heart or guts to do anything.

Sadly, pretty much true.

And when millions of Americans, in dozens and dozens of American cities finally do get rightfully fed up and take to the streets in mass protest, what do the rank and file Republicans do? Go friggin’ berserk, make up wholesale, malicious lies about most of the protesters to try to justify their own uninvolvement and cowardice in standing up to injustice.

And how utterly bizarre and ironic that that racist Scott Terry stepped in his own ____ at a gathering of Frederick Douglass Republicans, huh?

If there is no struggle there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom and yet deprecate agitation are men who want crops without plowing up the ground; they want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. ~Frederick Douglass, 1857

hewhoasks

March 18th, 2013
4:49 pm

If those in the GOP don’t grasp the source of the “tone” no amount of explicit explanation will serve to clue them in. They’re a minority that really believes (REALLY BELIEVES) in their minority views and nothing is going to turn them toward reality. Which has its comforting aspects.

But I would think that in Georgia, as in Wisconsin, there have to be Republican legislators who at least dimly comprehend that if all they ever do is rubber-stamp crap from D.C. think tanks they’re actually useless. Somehow that dimness needs to be replaced with enlightened understanding. That will take time. Infinite time, for some. Hope for there to be enough “others.”

That Black Guy

March 18th, 2013
4:49 pm

Fred ™
March 18th, 2013
3:41 pm
TBG; Are you in town on Thursday? i’m trying to get a group of bad boys lined up to watch the first day of the Tourny…………
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Fred, I replied to the email from TBS. I’m not available this week for the get together.

Morality?

March 18th, 2013
4:49 pm

4:43 – Obama is the one blocking reduction of the Fed debt. He wants to raise taxes on the upper crust but when it comes to cutting the deficit or even freezing spending he goes in to hysterics.

That Black Guy

March 18th, 2013
4:50 pm

Erwin’s cat
March 18th, 2013
3:49 pm
td – “I only worship our personal Lord and Savior and his father in heaven.”
so much for the holy trinity….2 outta 3 ain’t bad
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You worship the Father and the Son, but you worship *IN* the Holy Spirit. There is a diff.

DannyX

March 18th, 2013
4:52 pm

“Its just another of those uncomfortable truths that ya’ll love to get all offended over.”

You want uncomfortable truths??? You can’t handle uncomfortable truths!!!

The uncomfortable truth is Saint Ronnie is a big reason low income workers don’t pay income tax except for Social Security and Medicare.

You can’t handle the uncomfortable truth!

JamVet

March 18th, 2013
4:52 pm

You are correct that a few more election losses will finally silence anyone that believes in individual and fiscal responsibility and the lib fanatics will get their third world country where gov’t controls way too much

Sure, parakeet. If that bumper sticker nonsense makes you feel better about your opinions, run with it! And even if you do cling to it to explain your serial beatdowns, intelligent people know the real reasons…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 18th, 2013
4:54 pm

TBG, we’ll have to disagree on what I perceive to be the false equivalence of Thinkprogress with Redstate. But I think it pointed out the skepticism and disdain for the claimed reform effort of the GOP. But I can agree that, although I don’t think the GOP will be able to walk away from its crazies and move to the center, I hope that they can. I also hope I have the winning lottery ticket but the odds are not in my favor (damn that Fred! ;) ).

Welcome to the Occupation

March 18th, 2013
4:54 pm

Thulsa Doom: “So how is it a “sneering lack of respect” the fact that 47% of us don’t pay federal taxes outside of Fica. If its true then its true”

And if true than it is the most damning fact imaginable and the most ominous sign possible for the future of capitalism. In capital’s own back yard, 47% of the population aren’t even provided the opportunity to earn enough to contribute back into the system.

Signs of a capitalism that is sucking some serrrrious wind.

Erwin's cat

March 18th, 2013
4:54 pm

You worship the Father and the Son, but you worship *IN* the Holy Spirit. There is a diff.

From wiki:
The whole work of creation and grace is a single operation common to all three divine persons, who at the same time operate according to their unique properties, so that all things are from the Father, through the Son and in the Holy Spirit.[6] The three persons are co-equal, co-eternal and consubstantial.

you may have a point…..but it kills my joke

That Black Guy

March 18th, 2013
4:55 pm

jewcowboy

March 18th, 2013
4:14 pm
The problem with GOP isn’t that their “tone” is off…it’s that their tone reflects an honesty in the beliefs of a majority within it. And therein lies the problem. The majority of American people hear what the GOP is saying, understand what the GOP means and rejects the GOP because of it.

No amount of PR spin is gonna change that,
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JCB, I agree 100% with this and your 1610.

Moderate Line

March 18th, 2013
4:57 pm

1) The electorate is not “polarizing.” It’s “sorting.”
There’s an important footnote to this discussion: While voters haven’t become more polarized, Congress has. There are far fewer moderates in the House and Senate, and members have increasingly inclined toward the ideological extremes.

Many people (as many as ever) are not strongly partisan, and might like both candidates almost equally, but in the voting booth, they have only two choices, and will choose the one they prefer, however slightly. “I suspect that when the relevant analyses are performed, they will show an

American citizenry that was less intense about its candidate preferences in 2012 than in 2008, and certainly one less intense than in 2004,” Fiorina writes. Voters are often ill-informed, it’s true, and not particularly interested in politics most of the time. But that doesn’t mean they’re easily duped or bad at making reasoned judgments in the end.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/02/5-false-assumptions-political-pundits-make-all-the-time/273544/

JohnnyReb

March 18th, 2013
5:00 pm

Jay, the Repubs might agree to the 13 years if in fact that ends up being the bill.

But I believe you easily see there will not be any instantaneous citizenship under any circumstance and anyone from the Left who holds out hoping for same is kidding themself.

Morality?

March 18th, 2013
5:00 pm

4:47 – Just the rare honesty of Samuel L. Jackson is refreshing. That is what I first thought upon reading this quote. Then under further consideration I realized that Sam L. Jackson was doing just the opposite of telling the true reason he voted for Obama. It was not ’cause he’s black but because he is left of center and identifies very well with Hollywood “think”. Not to mention the fact that Obama has a long history of being mentored by Marxists. After all would SLJ vote for Herman Caine ’cause he’s black?

JohnnyReb

March 18th, 2013
5:02 pm

“GOP fiscal policies for the past 30 years have put us where we are now.”

OMG – I have to go before my blood pressure gets higher.

That Black Guy

March 18th, 2013
5:02 pm

In my opinion, the only way to force a change is a massive loss of elections in local, state, and federal elections to more sane moderate repubs (yes, they do exist). There are a lot of indie voters that would vote for a moderate repub, but since those repubs don’t make it out of the primaries, the indies end up either voting for dems or staying home. More of the latter than the former, IMO.

YouLibs

March 18th, 2013
5:03 pm