Obama makes it plain that a deal can be had

If the Republicans are willing to negotiate, they clearly have a willing partner in President Obama.

From The Hill:

“Obama stood firm Tuesday when pressed to back away from benefit cuts during the meeting with the Senate Democratic Conference, according to lawmakers who attended.

Democrats emerged from the Senate’s Mike Mansfield Room publicly declaring party unity.

But behind closed doors, liberals in the Senate caucus raised concerns about Obama’s readiness to consider cuts to Social Security benefits and his support for a deficit-reduction package evenly split between spending cuts and tax increases.

Obama did not back down from a proposal to switch to the chained consumer price index formula for calculating Social Security benefits, according to lawmakers…”

“I urged him not to cut Social Security and benefits for disabled veterans,” said Sen. Bernie Sanders (Vt.), an independent who caucuses with Democrats.

“He is concerned about the long-term solvency of Social Security and so am I. But I think he recognized there are different ways to approach it. You can bring more revenue into the program or you can cut benefits.

“At this point I think he is more inclined to cut benefits, which I strongly disagree with,” Sanders said.

Clearly, Obama would not be able to bring all of his fellow Democrats along on a deal, just as John Boehner and Mitch McConnell would not be able to deliver all of their fellow Republicans. But unlike Obama, Boehner and McConnell show absolutely no interest in trying, and no willingness to take a political risk.

– Jay Bookman

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stands for decibels

March 13th, 2013
7:50 am

“At this point I think he is more inclined to cut benefits, which I strongly disagree with,” Sanders said.

Me too.

But then I agree with this T-shirt.

JamVet

March 13th, 2013
7:53 am

stands for decibels

March 13th, 2013
7:53 am

unlike Obama, Boehner and McConnell show absolutely no interest in trying, and no willingness to take a political risk.

Thank God. The last thing we need is a Grand Effing Bargain.

Save us, Speaker Boehner! Save us before we compromise again!

stands for decibels

March 13th, 2013
7:55 am

Jammie, there’s an “S” missing from that lady’s tank top. I hope Luckovich fixes this in post.

stands for decibels

March 13th, 2013
8:01 am

At the risk of going Scouty McWhinypantz on y’all, I am going to repeat linkage to that fabulous Salon piece on the competitive advantage of deficit hacks, because it tells you almost all you need to know about why the likes of Boehner and McConnell can be seen by the pundit class and Villagers who support them, as a valid counter-balance to Obama’s (cough, spit, barf) supposedly “left” side of the equation.

[E]conomist and blogger Duncan Black [A.k.a. "Atrios"] has written that Social Security should be expanded, instead of cut. He has written this multiple times, making essentially the same argument in consecutive USA Today opinion columns. That is a good thing, because it is an argument that is frequently absent from discussions of “entitlements” on cable news and in the political press.

But Black will have to write the exact same column hundreds and hundreds more times in order to have made this argument anywhere near as often as deficit fear-mongers make their arguments.

Paul Krugman today blogged about various “zombie ideas” that he thought he had debunked years ago still being repeated. And, duh, “no one listens to Paul Krugman” is basically the history of the United States since Y2K. Since the Bush era, Krugman has really just written the same five or six columns, over and over again. But they are good, useful, correct columns! And still, the rest of the media lavish praise on “deficit hawks” and beg for “entitlement cuts” Americans do not actually want, at all.

I think a lot about contemporary political debates makes a great deal more sense when you realize that hacks, especially hacks shilling for awful ideas, have a competitive advantage over non-hacks: They do not care if they constantly repeat themselves, even if what they are constantly repeating is wrong.

For a writer or pundit who actually feels some sort of responsibility to inform and/or entertain his or her readers, writing the same damn thing over and over again seems wrong (it is also boring). But bad ideas are constantly being repeated by people who feel absolutely no shame about saying the same things over and over and over again. Indeed, “shamelessness” is in general a defining characteristic of hacks. Also, frequently, people are being paid to repeat the same awful ideas over and over again, and unfortunately usually there’s more money to be made repeating bad ideas than good ones. (Hence: Lanny Davis.)

(Jay, I promise, this is the last time I’ll REPEAT myself thus.)

John Buck

March 13th, 2013
8:02 am

Being open to compromise to a democrat is saying you are welcome to change your mind and agree with me…otherwise we don’t have a deal; but I’m open to compromise.

independent thinker

March 13th, 2013
8:07 am

Great article in toda’ys Washington Post about how wonder boy Ryan wants to repeal Obamacare but he includes the tax increases found in Obamacare in projecting adequate revenue to balance the budget.No where does he deal with the big corporations like GE that paid little or no taxes. No wonder this clown lost his own state, county and home town.

Ken

March 13th, 2013
8:07 am

Obama finall is getting rid of

JamVet

March 13th, 2013
8:09 am

stands, debunked zombie ideas?

Are you kidding me???

We’re talking about imbeciles like Alan West and several of our Republican bloggers here who still believe Joseph McCarthy was right, is relevant today and that communists are still infiltrating our government!

Sorry, but for the most brain dead of our cons, there really is no hope that they will ever be dezombified…

Jerome Horwitz

March 13th, 2013
8:10 am

Mr. Buck – The same could be said about the Republicans, too. Both sides have been unwilling to move to a compromise position.

Glad to see the President finally step forward and get the process moving.

It’s Ok to repeat good information sfd. Just hope some here actually read it even though it doesn’t feed their narrow viewpoints.

Mick

March 13th, 2013
8:11 am

Eff the grand bargain!!!

Brosephus™

March 13th, 2013
8:12 am

Well, Mr. Buck has it all figured out. :roll:

Projection is strong with him.

On topic.,,

Screw this entire process. We should be focused on growing the economy first before doing any type of deficit dealings. Economic growth will aid deficit reduction without changing anything.

stands for decibels

March 13th, 2013
8:14 am

but for the most brain dead of our cons, there really is no hope that they will ever be dezombified…

I don’t care if they are.

I care that mainstream media continues to present deficit hackery as mainstream thought, rather than something a majority of people when polled think is effed up and bullsh-t.

(and yes, you CAN find polling that will get people to say, when prompted, “is THE DEFICIT a serious problem?” because, well, people have been told it is. But when asked if we should focus on employment and such rather than fixing some red ink in the ledgers, it isn’t even close.)

weetamoe

March 13th, 2013
8:17 am

Paul Krugman (former paid advisor to ENRON, and wasn’t that a success?) was forced, in a dispute with former New York Times public editor Dan Okrent, to retract lies he told in three successive NYT editorials. I think Obama has forfeited any trust that he would honor an agreement with republicans, and he knows it.

JamVet

March 13th, 2013
8:19 am

The current balance of power in Washington indicates that the Republicans are followers. Not terribly good ones, but MUCH better in that role that trying to pretend that they can lead in any effective way.

Unless and until they can finally coalesce around some intelligent people and rational ideas – which is proving to be exceptionally difficult for them at this point – they will have to be content being the obstructionists and backwards looking hard core reactionaries that they are and were always meant to be.

More bad news for the GOP…

Record-Low Layoffs Point to Healing US Job Market

http://www.moneynews.com/Economy/Record-Low-Layoffs-Job-Market/2013/03/12/id/494364

stands for decibels

March 13th, 2013
8:20 am

former paid advisor to ENRON

I wonder how much was paid to get that^^ memeage out there.

Brosephus™

March 13th, 2013
8:21 am

What does Krugman have to do with Obama’s trust? I’m missing the connection.

bookman parrot

March 13th, 2013
8:22 am

to stand for decibels
how do you know BHO is willing to negoiate.. did he confide in you and ask your opinion… no… so you have no true clue as to his “willingness”

Thomas Heyward Jr

March 13th, 2013
8:23 am

Cut-n-dry.
.
Your benefits will be cut if you are currently receiving them from Government ponzi schemes AND……..your taxes will go up if you currently are crazy enough to be accually working.
.
And taxes will go up on tobacco, booze, and gas.
.
Inflation will make up the shortfall on all others who do not pay taxes..IE government workers, welfare moms , and Crony Coorperations.
.
You read it here first.

stands for decibels

March 13th, 2013
8:23 am

because yea, verily, what a columnist did for fifty thousand dollars 14 years ago is going to weigh heavily on his work today.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 13th, 2013
8:24 am

Where’s Obama leadership?

Had to get that out of the way. I am sure that now it’s been said, our conned can point to the leadership of the Speaker of the House and the GOP :roll:

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

March 13th, 2013
8:24 am

This is too much. If Obama caves in YET AGAIN to the conned, then he will NEVER see the end of these “hostage negotiations”.

If he thinks the republicans will all of a sudden become focused on the country and not on the rhetoric, then he needs to have Michelle slap him awake.

‘Cause he’s obviously dreaming.

Ol' Timer

March 13th, 2013
8:24 am

Believeing that “Laughter Is the Best Medicine” the Republican healthcare plan for the poor and uninsured entails sending each one of them a George Carlin CD.

JohnnyReb

March 13th, 2013
8:25 am

A dinner and meeting and Obama has changed his stripes.

Ocean front property in Arizona.

by golly

March 13th, 2013
8:28 am

weetamoe-please provide a link to that Krugman nonsense. I googled his “dispute” with NYT and the only link is to a SNL skit. You don’t truly believe SNL skits are truthie do you?

stands for decibels

March 13th, 2013
8:28 am

By the way, herewish, the “corruption” that the wankers at the NatReview cited in one of many, many hit-pieces the right wing have done on Krugman.

This is the “glowing article about Enron” that’s their smoking gun.

(Look closely, you will find the company mentioned in the fourth graf.)

stands for decibels

March 13th, 2013
8:29 am

Herewish? Iwish I could spehll…

barking frog

March 13th, 2013
8:32 am

Social Security and Medicare have been saved so many times
they should be safe forever. If President Obama
is using “cut entitlements” as a means to elect more Republicans
in 2014, he has a winner.

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 13th, 2013
8:33 am

Good morning to all y’all…

The way John Boehner and Mitch McConnell are acting, we probably won’t see a reduction until after 2014. McConnell will be gone and there will be more Democrats in the House. I hope they keep this silliness up.

stands for decibels

March 13th, 2013
8:33 am

We should be focused on growing the economy first before doing any type of deficit dealings. Economic growth will aid deficit reduction without changing anything.

yes, yes, of course, nationally, this is correct. This should be our strategy.

However, tactically, it is probably more important that we work to get as many conservative legislators dumped (both US House congrefsfolk and state legislators) and replaced with those who’ll share this vision (or at least get dragged kicking and screaming in that direction) in 2014.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

March 13th, 2013
8:34 am

I care that mainstream media continues to present deficit hackery as mainstream thought, rather than something a majority of people when polled think is effed up and bullsh-t.

I have a problem with this too. I used to watch the Sunday Morning talk shows but stopped when the build up to the Bush War II and III were in full “rhetoric” mode.

These talk shows let the Bush mouth pieces go on and rant for hours, never questioning their data, never challenging their lies; just sitting there and listening and nodding their heads.

IMO they should’ve just changed their names to the “The 24 Hour Bush Lies All The Time” channel; and left off the “news” part.

YouLibs

March 13th, 2013
8:35 am

stands

There’s a long-time poster on HuffPo who goes by the name “Typoknig”.

JamVet

March 13th, 2013
8:37 am

However, tactically, it is probably more important that we work to get as many conservative legislators dumped (both US House congrefsfolk and state legislators) and replaced with those who’ll share this vision (or at least get dragged kicking and screaming in that direction) in 2014.

We may have an unwitting ally in the GOP’s Hair Club for Growth gang…

The combative Club is preparing to spend millions of dollars next year on its latest round of primary challenges to Republican lawmakers who it believes have violated its conservative economic principles.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/club-growth-gop/2013/03/13/id/494412

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

March 13th, 2013
8:40 am

the Republican healthcare plan for the poor and uninsured entails sending each one of them a George Carlin CD.

Don’t forget the 10% Off coupon on aspirin! Republicans DO have a heart, (they get cutbacks on all the aspirin they push from the Healthcare Possee)

stands for decibels

March 13th, 2013
8:43 am

There’s a long-time poster on HuffPo who goes by the name “Typoknig”.

good ‘un.

Stevie Ray

March 13th, 2013
8:44 am

JAY

I realize your zeal in rushing to cheer on your guy for trying something different like…going to the Hill. Anyhow, he acted just like this before inauguration in 2009 then pulled carpet, proceeded to negotiate directly with congress, and pulled agreed options off the table generally exhibiting disingenous negotiating tactics.

At the very least, he has set you and all his supporters up for his prime political objectives.

I hope I am wrong…it kinda like two slugs out of their shells going at it..we deserve better.

barking frog

March 13th, 2013
8:47 am

Republicans are already tweaking the sequester to provide
for their constituents and will be happy with the cuts to continue.
The President will be lame ducking to 2016 with his only legacy
the Affordable Care Act and the Republicans may convince him
to rearrange that program.

stands for decibels

March 13th, 2013
8:49 am

he will NEVER see the end of these “hostage negotiations”.

Whereas (I think) he and other Sensible People seem to think that by cutting the Poors and the Olds, this will somehow take future cuts Off The Table.

This reminds me of the best two paragraphs I have read, or probably ever will read, about the futility of working to take things Off The Table, . From Digby:

I just want everyone to think about the fact that Bill Clinton and all the Democrats have been telling us for the past decade that “ending welfare as we know it” permanently took the issue off the table. (As “balancing the budget” and “safe legal and rare” did.) How’d that work out for us?

You want to know what taking something off the table looks like? It looks like a congresswoman being shot in the head by a lunatic and her political party celebrating when she recovers enough to lead the pledge of allegiance at their convention — but never even mentioning gun control. That’s what taking an issue off the table looks like.

Stevie Ray

March 13th, 2013
8:49 am

stands for decibels

March 13th, 2013
8:33 am

So what is your grand plan to have the government get the economy back on track? Submitting that we need higher deficits and spending seems completely non-sensical to me although left “economists” like Krugman suggest such..then you have Ezra Klein who appears to be about 28 years old and as I understand has a BA of some sort..

Don’t you think adding another trillion to our debt load will inhibit flexibility down the road when we need it? What about the % of interest expense of total (over) budget?

Seems rather risky play..if it backfires it will be somewhat of a problem..

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 13th, 2013
8:49 am

Well, seems to me this Kenyan Socialist has been holding a whole bunch of fancy-smancy dinners on our dime to try and sell his Marxist ideas to the godly Republicans. And he keeps going on vacation and living in my White House. I might could want to use that place for a couple weeks vacation but I’ll never be able to if he treats it like it’s his private home. At the very least he ought to be forced to pay for tours of the place so school kids can see how awful it is to have trespassers in a place you own.

Anyway, seems like the Republicans have some reasonable ideas. All they want is, (a) repeal Obamacare and go back to the way we was, (b) make room at the trough for the big insurance cos. change Medicare so it can live on, (c) whack SS and make the geezers go out there and work like the rest of us and maybe let the stockbrokers in on some of the action, and (d) get rid of Medicaid and welfare for the lazy jobless bums, not to mention the Welfare Queens and Those People in general.

I ask you, is there anything unreasonable about that?

Anyway, it’s cold as a well-digger’s a$$ in Alaska out here this morning and I just hope some of you find that the heat is out in your fancy-smancy office when you go in to work this morning—that is, those of you that don’t live on interest income and capital gains and stuff like that.

Have a good Hump Day everybody.

Mike

March 13th, 2013
8:51 am

I say the Republicans will now move the goal line again.

Stevie Ray

March 13th, 2013
8:53 am

Redneck Convert (R–and proud of it)

March 13th, 2013
8:49 am

I keep hearing that as a gesture of leadership and sharing in the sacrifices, BO is going to cut his T&E by 30% but still see no evidence..have you heard this?

stands for decibels

March 13th, 2013
8:54 am

oh, one other thing, mostly for Debs:

I used to watch the Sunday Morning talk shows

I hope, I pray, that you are at least aware of this here site.

http://moonshinepatriot.blogspot.com/

If you are, not only will you never, ever, ever need to watch the Sunday morning Big Three yak-fests ever again, you’ll never, ever feel the slightest twinge of guilt about it. Ever.

williebkind

March 13th, 2013
8:54 am

“IMO they should’ve just changed their names to the “The 24 Hour Bush Lies All The Time” channel; and left off the “news” part.”

Then you changed the channel to MSNBC and become enlightened. God bless you!

Morality?

March 13th, 2013
8:54 am

Obama’s socialist friend on the left aka Bernie (B.S.) Sanders will ALWAYS want to TAX more and spend more and he and his socialist philosophy is what got us in this mess. Why should ANYONE listen to B.S. (Bernie Sanders)? Maybe it is ’cause Obama is a socialist at heart and truly believes in BIG gub’ment – tax and spend LIBERONICS. Progressive is just a sissy word for SOCIALIST. Tell Obama we are tired of his back talking, B.S. and doing nothing policies – tell Obama we don’t need no stink’in deals. DEALING IS OVER – time to reduce the deficit – Obama you had 4 + years to come up with a plan and you DID NOTHING.

barking frog

March 13th, 2013
8:54 am

The deficit is about as important as undocumented Mexicans
are but both are used by both parties to ’stir the pot’ knowing
full well that the party extremes will be up in arms.

Stevie Ray

March 13th, 2013
8:54 am

Mike

March 13th, 2013
8:51 am

Suggest you go back to 2009 and 2010 and enjoy the immaturity of BO’s negotiations at that time. He didn’t just move the goalposts, he build a new stadium.

Point is they all do it…

kayaker 71

March 13th, 2013
8:55 am

Republicans long ago, and any other person with half a brain, ceased to trust this clown. He constantly lies to back up his socialist agenda and expects everyone, including the media, to ignore it. He will not waver from his plans and if the House goes rogue in 2014, just watch the fireworks. Take no prisoners, tell any lie you can to support your stand, accept no responsibility for anything and continue to campaign instead of lead. How could anyone compromise with this idiot?

Morality?

March 13th, 2013
8:56 am

Praise the Lord! That big yapping blow hard has retired from the LIBERAL VIEW.

Simple Truths

March 13th, 2013
8:56 am

* cranks up the drama dial * It sounds like there is a war within the Democrat party.
* cranks up the cynicism dial * I wonder if Jay will blog about the war within the Democrat party?

stands for decibels

March 13th, 2013
8:56 am

So what is your grand plan to have the government get the economy back on track?

[tapping mic] Is this thing on?

Pay people more, build more stuff, get more people to work. Worry about red ink if and when we actually experience some kind of tangible issue with it, not hypothetical. Is that not clear from stuff I have posted approximately fifty thousand times in here?

Cosby

March 13th, 2013
8:56 am

Lets cut his benefits along with the Congress benefits – Congress gets Social Security, 401k matching up to $17,500 + Federal Employes Retirement – 14 to 1 ratio – before touching Social Security..Ground Air Force One,Tax Campaign contributions at 75%, limit the President to one 2 week vacation like the rest of us, cut waste in EBT ,Food Stamps and then on top of that charge The White House with Illegal Gun running to Mexican Drug Lords, along with violation of their constitutional duties to protect the boarders of the USA….now that would be one hell of a start..but Wait, Barry Soetoro is The King and ready to rule as V. Jarrett sated!! Damn it damn it all

barking frog

March 13th, 2013
8:57 am

The recent reminded me of the times I have witnessed
two company guys arguing over who will pay for dinner
with the company credit card.

Stevie Ray

March 13th, 2013
8:57 am

barking frog

March 13th, 2013
8:54 am

To clarify, you are suggesting that spending 40% more than we take in and assuming the increase debt service expense is a solid plan?

What do we do with all that borrowed money? What is the opportunity cost? Nothing the government has done thus far has made any remarkable improvements.

stands for decibels

March 13th, 2013
8:57 am

as for nuts and bolts, re: how such stuff could be financed, Stevie, here ya go.

http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/budget-for-all/

out for a bit, back later…

DannyX

March 13th, 2013
8:58 am

“Republicans long ago, and any other person with half a brain, ceased to trust this clown.”

Yes, because Republicans and their “Our goal is to make sure Obama is a one term President” agenda just oozed trust.

barking frog

March 13th, 2013
8:59 am

my 8:57
insert “negotiations” between recent and reminded

mm

March 13th, 2013
8:59 am

If Obama thinks the cons are going to offer up revenue, he’s insane.

Butch Cassidy (I)

March 13th, 2013
8:59 am

K71 – “How could anyone compromise with this idiot?

Apparently you missed the debt ceiling and fiscal cliff clusterfu!@.

DannyX

March 13th, 2013
9:00 am

“Barry Soetoro”

BENGHAZI!!

Stevie Ray

March 13th, 2013
9:01 am

stands for decibels

March 13th, 2013
8:56 am

As shocking as it seems, I don’t keep up with the opinions of all…have you ever considered humility? Why is it you feel that you are the last authority on all STANDS?

Pay people more, build more stuff and get more people to work…what exactly does that look like in terms of what government can do to make any of those things happen?

Morality?

March 13th, 2013
9:02 am

There isn’t any “War” in the Socialist Dem Party. It is run by Obama’s handlers – Hairy Weed and Nanny Pelosi and they agree with Obama that tax and expansion of the socialist social programs is the way to go – deficit be damned. Those three have never seen a deficit busting program that they wouldn’t or haven’t voted for.

JamVet

March 13th, 2013
9:02 am

It will be interesting to see what, if anything, weetmaoe comes up with vis a vis that Krugman “retraction”.

His veracity does not exactly have a good track record on this forum…

Nobama

March 13th, 2013
9:02 am

W/re to Barack Hussein Nobama, Don’t Trust but Verify, i.e. get the spending cuts up front ! Bite me Jayboy.

williebkind

March 13th, 2013
9:03 am

What is wrong with Paul Ryans’ s Plan? I see the progressive liberal cartoonist immediately began to attack him. Is this how the liberals accept different ideas?

Grasshopper

March 13th, 2013
9:03 am

“If the Republicans are willing to negotiate, they clearly have a willing partner in President Obama.”

Of course they do! After all, he has been such a reliable and trustworthy negotiator with the Republicans the past five years. Not a backstabber, my-way-or-the-highway, ‘elections have consequences,’ tell ‘em what they want to hear and then do the opposite kind of guy at all. Obama is a real straight-shooter, dontcha know.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 13th, 2013
9:03 am

Well, I ain’t heard of a 30% cut in Obama’s T & E, but it ain’t a bad idea. Maybe instead of riding in a fancy golf cart he can go out there and hump it like the rest of us. Course, there’s that fellow in Chicago that fell in a sinkhole on a course yesterday. But no, we’d never be that lucky with the Kenyan Socialist.

Still no call from anybody in Rome. I hope they don’t come around to realizing they got the perfect Pope right here. Yep, the second redneck Pope—counting that guy that had a dead Pope dug up and put on trial and drug behind a team of horses thru the street and then tossed in the river. Us rednecks don’t forget. And we know what to do with priests that like to bother little boys: Put them in a cell with Bubba.

Stevie Ray

March 13th, 2013
9:04 am

Butch Cassidy (I)

March 13th, 2013
8:59 am

Of course they forgot or assumed the ostrich tactic. The left sheep here (as well as the right sheep) want so desparately to sweep any zits on their guy under the carpet so fast so not to have to accept the facts of what occurred…

I’m still wondering how much debt is too much for the big spenders here…

Jm

March 13th, 2013
9:04 am

Just bunk

Obama can’t deliver the Senate votes

Democrats are being obstructionist

What else is new

Bookman's Goat Roping

March 13th, 2013
9:04 am

So less than a man bookman is playing that game again today… LOL…

America desperately needs a President that can lead, not blame. One who can unite, not divide. Clearly, this is not Obama.

barking frog

March 13th, 2013
9:04 am

Stevie Ray 8:57
Nothing the government has done thus far has made any remarkable improvements.
………………………………………………………………….
If we don’t fix it this century, we’ll get it done in the next century.
no hurry, the USA is ‘in perpetuity’ and if not, it won’t matter anyway.

Stevie Ray

March 13th, 2013
9:06 am

Redneck Convert (R–and proud of it)

March 13th, 2013
9:03 am

It is bizarre to me why the liberals on this site do not demand some sharing of the pain by their hero…

Why is that? Perhaps that’s why he wanted no pictures during round of celebrity golf a few weeks past?

Jm

March 13th, 2013
9:06 am

Maybe Obama should’ve gone for the grand bargain when he got $600 billion in new revenues 2 months ago

But he didn’t and now his ideology will probably mean a failed presidency

by golly

March 13th, 2013
9:07 am

Redneck-I do like the way you think.

And we know what to do with priests that like to bother little boys: Put them in a cell with Bubba

Road Scholar

March 13th, 2013
9:07 am

“But behind closed doors, liberals in the Senate caucus raised concerns about Obama’s readiness to consider cuts to Social Security benefits and his support for a deficit-reduction package evenly split between spending cuts and tax increases.’

it’s been a problem for 20 years. Just how much time do you need to examine realistic changes????

DannyX

March 13th, 2013
9:07 am

“Obama can’t deliver the Senate votes”

Here we go again, yet another Republican filibuster.

Jm

March 13th, 2013
9:08 am

The liberal response here is indicative of the Senate and generally Obama too

They say no to the grand bargain

And America will start down the road to decline

Stevie Ray

March 13th, 2013
9:09 am

barking frog

March 13th, 2013
9:04 am

Yeah, I think we simply follow the liberal path and don’t change anything..all of our woes can be addressed by simply increasing taxes on the top 20% or so…

Heck they don’t even want us to cap the growth of spending..It is good we have the GOP to offset this crap…shame it’s such a pathetic opponent but this appears to be a game of single A ball…

Morality?

March 13th, 2013
9:11 am

Joy Blowhard has “retired” from the LIBERAL VIEW …… if she hadn’t announced it no one would have noticed.

DannyX

March 13th, 2013
9:13 am

“And America will start down the road to decline”

If only we could change course and go back to the good ol’ days of 800,000 a month job losses, a crashing stock market, housing collapse, and financial meltdown. Good times, good times.

Lets hand the keys back to the drunk driver!

pete

March 13th, 2013
9:13 am

The WaPo may be a little late to the party (about 4 years late), but thank God folks are starting to open their eyes and see this guy for the disaster that he is.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obamas-approval-drops-as-americans-take-a-dimmer-view-of-his-economic-policies/2013/03/12/4ddfd240-8a79-11e2-a051-6810d606108d_story.html?hpid=z1

barking frog

March 13th, 2013
9:14 am

The finances of the USA consist of a ‘war’ between
the corporate “medical providers” and the corporate
“warlords” as to who gets the biggest cut of the treasury.
They are not going away soon.

Stevie Ray

March 13th, 2013
9:14 am

Jm

March 13th, 2013
9:08 am

Whatcha talkin’ about Willis?

IMO since we are in the mist of a revolution (or evolution) but not industrial in nature. Its an information revolution. Technology is replacing traditional wage jobs at such a clip..they are not coming back. All the chitter chatter about offshoring is a fly on the butt of Jay. Acceptance of this will do us all good as opposed to counting on government to create all this higher paying jobs..

Jm

March 13th, 2013
9:15 am

I say grand bargain

But I say no to liberals

No liberals

DannyX

March 13th, 2013
9:16 am

“it kinda like two slugs out of their shells going at it”

“shame it’s such a pathetic opponent but this appears to be a game of single A ball…”

Stevie, I just love the little disclaimers you add after bashing Democrats and Obama.

Morality?

March 13th, 2013
9:16 am

New “compromise” for Obama – actually show a reduction in the deficit and THEN we will talk increased revenue. …. I am still waiting.

williebkind

March 13th, 2013
9:17 am

Instead of a representative republic Obama wants to change us to a democratic socialist country like Europe. Obamacare will really get started in late 2014 and the terror will be realized sooner. As Pelosi said, We got pass it before we know what is in it.” Now that is grand leadership as a speaker of the house. But I dont hear the libs saying that is not how you do business. Instead they attack everyone with a different point of view. I see their time ending real soon.

Tall

March 13th, 2013
9:18 am

No deals. Let Mr. Revenge politics suffer the consequences of his own incompetence.

Stevie Ray

March 13th, 2013
9:18 am

pete

March 13th, 2013
9:13 am

I saw in the McClatchy/Marist poll his unfavorability rating no exceeds favorability…he can fix this with some simple proven leadership tactics…too bad they seem so elusive..

Jm

March 13th, 2013
9:20 am

Just say no. Too liberals.

TaxPayer

March 13th, 2013
9:21 am

Cons. They’re such losers.

barking frog

March 13th, 2013
9:21 am

Obama makes it plain that a deal can be had
…………………………………………………………..
Obama makes it plain that Republicans can be had

Jefferson

March 13th, 2013
9:21 am

Raise the SS rate, you live longer, you pay more.

Jefferson

March 13th, 2013
9:22 am

willie is full

JamVet

March 13th, 2013
9:22 am

If only we could change course and go back to the good ol’ days of 800,000 a month job losses, a crashing stock market, housing collapse, and financial meltdown.

How dare you bring that up?!

Under our President Bush (Lil BBspeak) the economy was great! Better than great!

And pay no attention to that “This sucker could go down” man behind the curtain!

Poor delusional neocons, they really pretend that nobody notices that their guys ____ the bed and they don’t even want someone else to wash and dry the sheets! There must be some medical term for those who want to wallow in their own ____…

OK, off to do my part in the Obama Recovery from the Bush Depression.

Toodles, all…

Matt321

March 13th, 2013
9:22 am

The Republican disconnect from reality on display in this thread and elsewhere continues to stun and sadden. I wish we had the socialist liberal Democratic party so many of you fervently believe in. The truth is that we have a conservative President hellbent on cutting Social Security, who already promised gigantic subsidies to private health insurance companies, with minimal regulations to protect the public investment. Republicans! You won! You should be cheering in the streets! The only publicly allowed argument is how much cutting should be done – even though austerity is a proven disaster in these economic conditions. Never mind that every public poll thinks we should stimulating job growth, raising the social security cap to balance its finances, etc. If the public doesn’t agree with you, just say they do, after all – if you repeat “It’s a center-right nation” enough times, it should drown out the fact that the American public has always wanted a fair economy where everyone gets a chance, and a second chance, even.

DannyX

March 13th, 2013
9:24 am

Pete here are a couple of results from that Washington Post poll you linked to,

Who is responsible for sequester?
Republicans 47%
Obama 33%

Obama
Approve 50%
Disapprove 46%

Congressional Republicans
Approve 24%
Disapprove 72%

Was it your goal to point out that Republicans are very unpopular?

Stevie Ray

March 13th, 2013
9:24 am

DannyX

March 13th, 2013
9:16 am

He is the president and congress is congress and they all are letting us down. That is the root of all of our problems…

I love the challenge the president and sorry if that get under your skin. I don’t see any difference in any of them which is my consistent position. They don’t give a rats arse about us..cash for re-election is king. They all go up there well intentioned but the system consumes them all.

Yes I am critical of BO’s leadership skills but I like what he is doing as far as not putting our troops at risk, position on Israel, womans and gay rights, and a few other things.

Why DannyX will he not stand up and say that he and his family and staff need to do their “fair share” and pony up some expenses?

Since his quest is good ratings, this would be something all of us could get our arms around…

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

March 13th, 2013
9:25 am

Whereas (I think) he and other Sensible People seem to think that by cutting the Poors and the Olds, this will somehow take future cuts Off The Table.

He’s already cut those programs!

The fact is that Mr. Obama, during his “grand bargain” negotiations with the House speaker, John A. Boehner, in the summer of 2011, had already signed off on painful cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, even if he never once mentioned that during his re-election campaign………………….

and let’s not forget:

Republicans have blasted Obama for not putting forward plans to cut entitlement programs like Medicare and Social Security, ignoring that Obama’s health care law cut Medicare (a fact the GOP was eager to remind Americans of during the November election).

Obama has cut OR offered to cut “entitlements” more than once; but every time, like the fat kid and the chocolate cake; republicans just want more.

They won’t be satisfied until everyone making under $550K/year is back in the “coal mines”, owing their souls to the company store*.

**The line “I owe my soul to the company store” is a reference to the truck system and to debt bondage. Under this scrip system, workers were not paid cash; rather they were paid with non-transferable credit vouchers which could be exchanged for only goods sold at the company store.

This made it impossible for workers to store up cash savings. Workers also usually lived in company-owned dormitories or houses, the rent for which was automatically deducted from their pay.

Mick

March 13th, 2013
9:27 am

yaker

Your hate of obama consumes you to the point that you come off as completely irrational, he is not the devil incarnate…