An unrepentent Dick Cheney, 10 years after
“I did what I did,” Dick Cheney says in a documentary to be shown Friday night on Showtime, “and it’s all part of the public record and I feel very good about it. If I had it to do over again, I’d do it in a minute.”
History, however, will register a much different verdict. It will record that while Cheney won the battle, he lost the wars, both foreign and domestic, with consequences that continue to reverberate and may do so for decades to come.
Yes, in the wake of the attacks of Sept. 11, Cheney was able to maneuver a pliable, inexperienced and maybe somewhat frightened president into an unnecessary invasion of Iraq, an act of war that had nothing whatsoever to do with the terrorist attacks that inspired it. That war, which began 10 years ago next week, led to the deaths of more than 4,000 American soldiers, the psychic and physical wounding of tens of thousands more and the expenditure of well over a trillion dollars, and for what?
Saddam Hussein is gone. But today, Iraq is all but a client state of neighboring Iran, and has been assisting Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad in his effort to remain in power. Despite our investment of blood and treasure, we have little or no influence over Iraq’s policies or practices, and American oil companies have been largely shut out.
And as Amnesty International reports:
“Ten years after the US-led invasion that toppled the brutal dictatorship of Saddam Hussein, Iraq remains mired in human rights abuses. Thousands of Iraqis are detained without trial or serving prison sentences imposed after unfair trials, torture remains rife and continues to be committed with impunity, and the new Iraq is one of the world’s leading executioners.”
By insisting on fighting on two fronts at once, both in Iraq and Afghanistan, thus dividing our manpower, financial resources and attention, Cheney also helped to ensure that we achieved real victory in neither. We will never know whether a full commitment to Afghanistan in the early years would have paid off with success; we know only that the odds of ultimate success having followed the path we did are very long.
The third war that Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz and others lost was right here at home. The invasion of Iraq was to mark the return of a muscular and militaristic foreign policy, freed of the constraints once placed upon it by the now collapsed Soviet Union. Those regimes, such as Saddam’s Iraq, that did not do our bidding would be subject to removal, and a Pax Americana, like the Pax Romana of the Roman empire, would be imposed upon the world.
That was the theory. In practice, the invasion of Iraq, driven by false promises of easy conquest and false threats of WMD, yellowcake, mushroom clouds and unmanned aerial vehicles, exposed the strategic overreach and arrogance implicit in such a policy. By his second term, a chastened President Bush had largely pushed Cheney aside, but that recognition of his vice president’s malignant influence came too late to save his presidency, or more importantly to extract his country from the consequences of his mistakes.
Today, the neocon ambitions of Cheney and his friends have been discredited. The lessons of Vietnam have been refreshed rather than overturned, and support is growing even within the Republican Party for a less expensive military and a more circumspect use of force overseas. The remaining advocates of a Cheney-esque foreign policy — men such as John McCain and William Kristol — are left to stamp their feet in frustration.
Cheney may indeed do it all over again if given the chance. But having learned the hard way, the American people are no longer willing to give him and others like him that opportunity.
– Jay Bookman
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That Black Guy
March 13th, 2013
7:03 pm
JamVet
March 13th, 2013
6:51 pm
Comparing Matti’s comments with those of that depraved pervert Rush Limbaugh’s?
Really?
Really, really?
The greatest single thing about that disgusting radio pig is that he helped the GOP enormously last November!
By help, I mean getting their misogynistic teeth kicked in…
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Are you saying that Cheney’s dead mother id fair game? What did she have to do with the Iraq war? I have the same reaction when people hurl nasty insults to Michelle O, or the kids.
Rush was a pig for saying that about Fluke, but it’s ok to call the mother of a republican a *whore*?
josef
March 13th, 2013
7:04 pm
matti
You, I see, having accomplished Matthew 5:48
godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need
March 13th, 2013
7:04 pm
getalife:
http://lmgtfy.com/
That Black Guy
March 13th, 2013
7:05 pm
fedup
March 13th, 2013
6:53 pm
Rush denigrated an innocent young woman. On the otherhand your precious Dick justified the loosing of 4000 young men and women for his profit margin. That is the difference between Matti and Rush. Now do you understand the difference.
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What did Cheney’s MOTHER do to deserve to be called a *whore*?
Cheney did the deeds, NOT his dead mother.
G Mare
March 13th, 2013
7:06 pm
Off topic! In case anyone is interested, the guy who recorded the now-infamous 47% tape is going to be on with Ed Shultz tonight – 8pm on MSNBC.
josef
March 13th, 2013
7:06 pm
getalife
I wouldn’t call it timid…
Peadawg
March 13th, 2013
7:06 pm
“Your mind after he was elected.”
Silly boy.
Matti
March 13th, 2013
7:07 pm
josef,
Haha! Not according to the confession I left for the Black Guy. Bless his heart. I do feel bad for ruining his evening, though. He must have really put it all out there defending Miss Fluke, and take this sort of thing on a deeply personal level.
That Black Guy
March 13th, 2013
7:08 pm
Matti
I have respect for both women that I like and women that I don’t like. They both get my respect, not just the ones that I like.
josef
March 13th, 2013
7:08 pm
HEATHEN
@ 7:04
That was funny!
GMARE
Hey, there, here,,,good to see you in early,,,
JohnnyReb
March 13th, 2013
7:10 pm
I’m a lost sinner having never been baptised/joined a church. And my exposure to the Catholic faith is confined to funerals and weddings. With that confession -
I was impressed with the humility of the new Pope.
I cannot refrain from stating the current POTUS could heal a lot of wounds, get a lot done, and not be so widely disliked if he could find a little of that humility himself. Nah, foreget it, never happen.
That Black Guy
March 13th, 2013
7:11 pm
Matti
March 13th, 2013
7:07 pm
josef,
Haha! Not according to the confession I left for the Black Guy. Bless his heart. I do feel bad for ruining his evening, though. He must have really put it all out there defending Miss Fluke, and take this sort of thing on a deeply personal level.
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Ok, Matti. You win.
alittlecommonsense
March 13th, 2013
7:11 pm
Yeah, yeah, Dick Cheney is the boogey man. Haliburton is the source of his evil power, Karl Rove is his mini-me sidekick. George Bush was their puppet.
Going on five years out of office and the hate is still boiling over with you libs. Get over it folks.
JamVet
March 13th, 2013
7:11 pm
Are you saying that Cheney’s dead mother id fair game?
No.
Are you saying that her acknowledge tasteless joke rises to the level of this? (Apologies for the length, but I felt it important NOT to redact any of it.)
Wednesday :
1)Can you imagine, if you’re her parents, how proud of Sandra Fluke you would be? Your daughter goes up to a congressional hearing conducted by the Botox-filled Nancy Pelosi and testifies she’s having so much sex she can’t afford her own birth control pills and she agrees that Obama should provide them, or the Pope.
2) Sandra Fluke, one of the Butt Sisters, is being dragged out of law school by the hair. Wait ’til Rick Santorum hears about this. Wait ’til Gingrich hears about this! What do you think they’ll do? They’ll put a stop to this right away! They’ll head over that university and they’ll stop it!
They’ll spy on Sandra Fluke and interrupt her in mid-coitus, and then they’ll make ’em get married.
3) What does it say about the college co-ed Susan Fluke [sic], who goes before a congressional committee and says that she must be paid to have sex. What does that make her? It makes her a slut, right? It makes her a prostitute. She wants to be paid to have sex. She’s having so much sex she can’t afford the contraception.
4) Okay, so she’s not a slut. She’s “round heeled.” I take it back.
Thursday :
5) The reaction that they are having to what I said yesterday about Susan Fluke — or Sandra Fluke, whatever her name is — the Georgetown student who went before a congressional committee and said she’s having so much sex, she’s going broke buying contraceptives and wants us to buy them.
6) I said, what would you call someone who wants us to pay for her to have sex — what would you call that woman? You’d call them a slut, a prostitute.
7) The headline: “Sex-Crazed Co-Eds Going Broke Buying Birth Control, Student Tells Pelosi Hearing Touting Freebie Mandate — A Georgetown co-ed told Rep. Nancy Pelosi’s hearing that the women in her law school program are having so much sex that they’re going broke, so you and I should pay for their birth control.” Cybercast News Service. So what would you call that? So I called it what it is.
9) Sandra Fluke reported to Pelosi: “It costs a female student $3,000 to have protected sex over the course of her three-year stint in law school, according to her calculations. ‘Without insurance coverage, contraception, as you know, can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school,’ Fluke told the hearing. . . . That’s a thousand dollars a year of sex — and, she wants us to pay for it.” Now, what does that make her? She wants us to buy her sex. She wants us to pay for her sex, and she went to a congressional committee to close the sale.
10) At $1 a condom, if she shops at CVS pharmacy’s Web site, that $3,000 would buy her 3,000 condoms, or a thousand of them a year. We’ve done all kinds of research on this. And what about these deadbeat boyfriends or random hookups that these babes are encountering here, having sex with nearly three times a day? While in law school.
11) Okay, so this is a law student at a congressional committee asking for us to pay for the things that make it possible for her to have sex.
Therefore we are paying her to have sex.
Therefore we are paying her for having sex.
We are getting screwed even though we don’t meet her personally!
12) Ms. Fluke, have you ever heard of not having sex?
13) So, if we’re gonna sit here, and if we’re gonna have a part in this, then we want something in return, Ms. Fluke: And that would be the videos of all this sex posted online so we can see what we are getting for our money.
14) Ms. Fluke, who bought your condoms in junior high?
15) Stop the tape. Courageous. Recue that to the top. Courageous, having so much sex she’s going broke at Georgetown Law. (laughing) Gosh, I love this.
16) Folks, for all the hilarity that’s contained in what’s going on here . . . here’s a woman exercising no self-control. The fact that she wants to have repeated, never-ending, as often as she wants it sex — given.
17) Did you notice in that sound bite Sheila Jackson Lee or Maria Cantwell or one of them talked about the strength that Sandra Fluke had to go before Congress, which is amazing. She’s having so much sex it’s amazing she can still walk, but she made it up there.
18) Do you realize at the end of the day what’s happening here? The Democrats are putting on parade a woman who is happily presenting herself as an immoral, baseless, no-purpose-to-her-life woman. She wants all the sex in the world, whenever she wants it, all the time. No consequences. No responsibility for her behavior.
Friday:
19) Obama just called Sandra Fluke to make sure she was all right? Awwww. (kissing sound) That is so compassionate! What a great guy. The president called her to make sure she’s okay. What is she, 30 years old? Thirty years old, a student at Georgetown Law, who admits to having so much sex that she can’t afford it anymore.
20) Okay. Let me ask you a question. I might be surprised at the answer I would get to this question. Your daughter appears before a congressional committee and says she’s having so much sex, she can’t pay for it and wants a new welfare program to pay for it. Would you be proud? I don’t know about you, but I’d be embarrassed. I’d disconnect the phone. I’d go into hiding and hope the media didn’t find me. See, everybody forgets what starts this, or what started this whole thing. Or maybe they don’t! Maybe that’s normal behavior on the left now, for all I know.
21) So Pelosi arranges her own press conference for the woman, and the woman makes it clear (her name is Sandra Fluke) that she’s having so much sex, she can’t pay for it — and we should. She’s having so much sex, she can’t afford it.
That Black Guy
March 13th, 2013
7:11 pm
Time to UATAO.
TBS, check your email.
JamVet
March 13th, 2013
7:13 pm
Going on five years out of office and the holding him accountable for his deadly actions and lies is still relevant with you libs. Sweep it under the carpet folks.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 13th, 2013
7:14 pm
I just read the dress code for CPAC. I don’t think they will allow boas. Open toe shoes may also be questionable. However if you look like Ms. Doubtfire you are a shoe in!!!
Interestingly however, some CPAC con bloggers have no problem in calling many young women two bit whores: Fellow conservative blogger Melissa Clouthier sized up the ladies of CPAC, and found them similarly wanting: “Women will be future leaders, too, and I was dismayed to see how many of them either looked frumpish or like two-bit whores.”
When offending people by calling someone a whore, is there an age floor? Below a certain age it’s okay. Above a certain age, it’s offensive?
Matti
March 13th, 2013
7:14 pm
That Black Guy, @ 7:08,
Okay, I’m going to take you at your word, and then tell you a little something about women you obviously don’t know: Satan doesn’t get to all of us, but he does manage to get to many, if not most of us. Shhhhhh….. we don’t like to talk about it, and let’s never speak of it again, mmm-kay? Rosemary’s Baby: true story. Al Pacino in Devil’s Advocate? Yep. Really happens.
That’s how people like Dick Cheney come into this world. You’re right. It’s probably NOT the mother’s fault, but then again, most prostitutes (jeepers, the worst thing you could call a woman) don’t really want to be prostitutes either. But I digress. See, because Satan knocks up good women like Mrs. Cheney, that’s why abortion needs to remain safe and legal! Get it now? Awesome!
josef
March 13th, 2013
7:14 pm
New Pope? I just got that news…don’t look like me and him will be going out for drinks anytime soon…
Jack ®
March 13th, 2013
7:16 pm
I like Cheney and voted for the ticket. But I really believe we should have just bombed those folks back into the 12th century and never put soldiers on the ground.
Mick
March 13th, 2013
7:17 pm
**Cheney helped to unapologetically kicked terrorist ass across the globe, which was exactly what was needed ten years ago. It’s needed today as well, but unfortunately Prezzy is a puzzy. So we’ll have to do it again in a few years.**
Amazing how people like you and dick think it’s some kind of game…please be on the front line assault the next time and put your skin in the “game”….
Brosephus™
March 13th, 2013
7:18 pm
Why would I need to “republish” it, TD?
Did Jay just kick a sockpuppet out of the closet?
JamVet
March 13th, 2013
7:21 pm
I am NOT referring to Sinkwich or JohnnyReb or the other cretins who aped him, but I would like the decent folks on this forum to read those words of Limbaugh’s carefully.
They and the words of other miscreants like Akin, Mourdoch et al, are exactly why I am confidently predicting that the GOP will not get a majority of female voters in this country again for at least another six presidential elections. Perhaps ever.
Jay
March 13th, 2013
7:23 pm
Nice catch, Bro, but it was a simple mistake on my part, confusing TM with TD. It has now been fixed, thanks for the heads up.
josef
March 13th, 2013
7:26 pm
matti
Was going to respond, but I see Big Daddy’s still here, so I better not…discretion being the greater part of valor..
Welcome to the Occupation
March 13th, 2013
7:28 pm
Tell me one thing:
Why are there not mass strikes out here daily in this country for a political class that dares even speak of reducing social insurance programs and not drastically increasing them as the greatest crisis of capitalism in a century grinds on? Anybody want to tell me that?
Welcome to the Occupation
March 13th, 2013
7:32 pm
I’ll answer my question, partially:
The reason we don’t have strikes here daily in this country right now, the way they do in Greece, Portugal and elsewhere is that Americans, already an extremely trusting lot, are a bit beaten down, apathetic, and dispersed. It will take something far more extreme than what we’ve seen so far to get them rousted and onto the streets.
I long for that day.
F. Sinkwich
March 13th, 2013
7:33 pm
“Amazing how people like you and dick think it’s some kind of game…”
Not a statement of factual intentions. **
** KammieSpam. All rights reserved.
appleseed
March 13th, 2013
7:33 pm
Wonder how much medicare paid for that heart???
TM
March 13th, 2013
7:35 pm
I hope I am not puppet in a closet
Ekko Chamber
March 13th, 2013
7:37 pm
I would venture to guess that in five years, the conservative blogs will still be filled with bile directed at Barack Obama, who himself was merely the unfortunate successor to the greatest hatchet job ever effected on America by Americans.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 13th, 2013
7:43 pm
TM, for 3 EZ installments of $29.99 plus S&H, I can send you a test to determine if you are in a closet. If you order now, I’ll throw in the puppet test for free!
getalife
March 13th, 2013
7:52 pm
Josef,
If I had the power cheney had and my daughter was gay and wanted to get married, I would take on the world full throttle.
I would lead my party to vote for it.
He did not.
getalife
March 13th, 2013
7:57 pm
Jack,
“But I really believe we should have just bombed those folks back into the 12th century”
We did and had the taliban on the run and obl trapped at Tora Bora.
They decided to cut and run to Iraq .
This is one of the biggest mistakes our government owns.
Ralph-43
March 13th, 2013
7:58 pm
He may have a new heart but he is still an uncaring, cowardly, murderer. Colin Powell got taken in (U.N. testimony) but at least had enough character to resign when he realized that Cheney and Rumsfeld had taken him for a ride. Poor W. – way too stupid and timid to play in that game. The real crime has never been completely prosecuted. Cheney knew that Jihadists were in the country, taking flying lessons (”I do not need to know how to land, just fly.”). It was also clear to him that an act of terrorism was planned. Maybe, he did not know exactly what, but the World Trade Center had already been targeted and failed – a likely second hit would not have been a high odds bet. Cheney should have been tried for aiding and abetting and hung. Instead, he avoided any military service, and when necessary, butted in line to get somebody else’s heart that should have gone to a legitimate recipient. This is the worst of the Ugly Americans and a figurehead for the NeoCons and Tea Party.
appleseed
March 13th, 2013
7:59 pm
Saddam one bad dude after we supported him for years against Iran.Then tricked him into attacking Kuwait,then along comes baby Bush,and possibly another in future.
Recon 0311 2533
March 13th, 2013
7:59 pm
Well now we have the president stepping out today during and after his rare meeting with Republicans saying that the deficit isn’t a concerning issue. He says that the rapidly growing deficit is sustainable over the next ten years. We either have a president so unbelievably steeped in ignorance or a president whose a bold face liar. I’m worried it’s the later aided and abetted by Democrats who care more about elections than they do about the health of this Republic.
getalife
March 13th, 2013
8:01 pm
del,
Psst, deficit reduction is part of his agenda.
Proceed del.
Recon 0311 2533
March 13th, 2013
8:04 pm
Psst, deficit reduction is part of his agenda.
Get, no it isn’t. It’s about more deficit spending. Carry on get.
josef
March 13th, 2013
8:05 pm
Looks like the new Papa’s got some questions to answer from the Dirty War…
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 13th, 2013
8:06 pm
He says that the rapidly growing deficit is sustainable over the next ten years.
The deficit has been shrinking over the past 4 years, not growing.
getalife
March 13th, 2013
8:10 pm
“the-deficit.jpg
What he’s said:
“We must make the hard choices to reduce the cost of health care and the size of our deficit. But we reject the belief that America must choose between caring for the generation that built this country and investing in the generation that will build its future.”
January 21, 2013; second Inaugural Address, Washington, D.C.
What he’s accomplished:
The Budget Control Act, along with other legislation in 2011, trimmed $1.5 trillion off the ten-year deficit. The President signed the American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012 into law on January 2nd. The legislation increased the ten-year revenue forecast by $600 billion by allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire for the richest Americans. Along with other savings, the President’s first-term plan reduced the ten-year deficit by about $2.4 trillion.
Possible second-term goal:
Increase the ten-year deficit reduction to $4 trillion through further spending cuts and revenue increases. Strike deals with Republicans on budget sequestration in March and on the debt ceiling in May.
Read more: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2013/01/what-will-obama-do-with-his-second-term-twelve-issues.html#ixzz2NT5fjiIu”
Proceed del.
JamVet
March 13th, 2013
8:11 pm
Ralph, their massive stupidity and deadly hubris is still inexplicable to me. Even more so is just how many guppies there are in this country.
Dick Cheney is unrepentant.
Rush Limbaugh is unrepentant.
The whole damn pathetic gang is unrepentant.
The upshot is that there is going to be NO redemption for these unrepentant cretins. Certainly not when Americans go to the polling place…
Recon 0311 2533
March 13th, 2013
8:11 pm
The deficit has been shrinking over the past 4 years, not growing
Dyslectic learning disability is curable and no longer an excuse for ignorance.
appleseed
March 13th, 2013
8:12 pm
Yeah caring more about elections and making him a one termer.Than the health of this republic..
getalife
March 13th, 2013
8:13 pm
You are wrong del but that is expected from you. Darn facts messed you up.
Proceed.
getalife
March 13th, 2013
8:15 pm
del,
Tell your party his 4 trillion deal is still on the table.
Why won’t your party take the deal del?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 13th, 2013
8:16 pm
Recon, I am sorry. I thought you were going to use your brain and facts before your post. Apparently not. When you have the facts and not your clueless posts of fantasy, come back as an adult.
Recon 0311 2533
March 13th, 2013
8:16 pm
Proceed.
get, try to succeed for a change. I could of course be wrong, but if you put forth some effort I think you may be able to.
Orange13
March 13th, 2013
8:20 pm
“Psst, deficit reduction is part of his agenda.”
Maybe if he would have started thinking about it earlier.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
getalife
March 13th, 2013
8:21 pm
“try to succeed for a change”
I did and doing well under President Obama.
Sorry you are not doing well and lashing out with lies about our President.
Recon 0311 2533
March 13th, 2013
8:21 pm
When you have the facts and not your clueless posts of fantasy, come back as an adult.
keep up the good flight, is that the best you can do child? Try to post something that represents your own conclusions rather than the opinions of Jay or the numerous far-left Web sites you both visit . You’re laughable.
getalife
March 13th, 2013
8:22 pm
Funny how you cons said nothing about w blowing out the deficit.
Deficits don’t matter you said.
Why the flip flop cons?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 13th, 2013
8:23 pm
For the apparent clueless, here is a chart showing federal budget deficit shrinking
Recon 0311 2533
March 13th, 2013
8:24 pm
I did and doing well under President Obama.
Yes, your dear leader will care for you.
Orange13
March 13th, 2013
8:25 pm
“Funny how you cons said nothing about w blowing out the deficit.”
Two wrongs make a right?
getalife
March 13th, 2013
8:25 pm
Pull up those boot straps del and make some money.
Don’t blame others for your failures.
Personal responsibility son.
Recon 0311 2533
March 13th, 2013
8:26 pm
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Bahahahahahahahhahahahaha.
getalife
March 13th, 2013
8:27 pm
“Two wrongs make a right?”
That is your answer.
Where were you when deficits did not matter Orange.
You can do better than two wrongs cop out.
guy
March 13th, 2013
8:28 pm
The Iraq people(some) were held without reason by Hussein,killed,and tortured. The same goes on now. The point is we screwed up by invading another country for no good reason. That is wrong and neither side should argue with that. You can’t kill everyone who doesn’t agree with you or who does not like you. Sweep around your back door but still be prepared.
Ray
March 13th, 2013
8:29 pm
Didn’t the VP assure us Iraq, with all its resources (oil) would pay for a good part of the war? Just another lie to add to the pile. Those who lobby for the military industry likeRaytheon, Lockheed, GD, Haliburton, … have shown they will do or say just about anything to make sure that complex always has the treasure coming their way from the US Treasury. As one war comes to an end, the drum beat for the next becomes deafening.
Recon 0311 2533
March 13th, 2013
8:30 pm
Pull up those boot straps del and make some money.
Don’t blame others for your failures.
get, I’m not in the top 1% but I’m well within the top ten%. Thanks for your concern but you needn’t be.
getalife
March 13th, 2013
8:31 pm
“get, I’m not in the top 1% but I’m well within the top ten%.”
Do you have and Grey Poupon?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 13th, 2013
8:32 pm
Recon, tell us about your head injury. Did you lose everything from the neck up?
So far, you haven’t backed up a single claim you made but you are not able to admit you were completely wrong.
getalife
March 13th, 2013
8:32 pm
any.
getalife
March 13th, 2013
8:34 pm
The good new is the military complex and banks are done robbing our Treasury under w.
The bad news is the people have to pay for their robbery.
Orange13
March 13th, 2013
8:36 pm
“Where were you when deficits did not matter Orange.”
Show me where I said anything good about GWB on this blog. Getalife, you must be collecting SSI due to the size of you nose as the only thing you post on this blog are big fibs. Come up with some facts for a change.
getalife
March 13th, 2013
8:38 pm
Orange,
I did post facts on our President’s agenda.
You chose to ignore the facts and that is your problem not mine.
Recon 0311 2533
March 13th, 2013
8:39 pm
So far, you haven’t backed up a single claim you made but you are not able to admit you were completely wrong.
Keep, can you be specific? Probably not, although I’ll give you that opportunity this evening. Last chance.
Orange13
March 13th, 2013
8:39 pm
Getalife. Who blew the deficit out worse GWB or O?
getalife
March 13th, 2013
8:40 pm
del,
So you admit deficit reduction is part of our President;s agenda?
Orange13
March 13th, 2013
8:43 pm
“Orange,
I did post facts on our President’s agenda.
You chose to ignore the facts and that is your problem not mine.”
Your nose is getting longer still. O has not done or even proposed a fix for our mounting deficit. That is what you like to call a FACT that he has done.
getalife
March 13th, 2013
8:43 pm
“Getalife. Who blew the deficit out worse GWB or O?”
Give me the total costs of the collapse and I can decide.
Problem is, it is ongoing with easing so you can’t give the costs of the collapse yet so we will have to wait until we are fully recovered with full employment at 5 %.
getalife
March 13th, 2013
8:44 pm
“O has not done or even proposed a fix for our mounting deficit”
The 4 trillion cut is still on the table but your party refused to take the deal.
Next.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 13th, 2013
8:44 pm
Oy vey Recon. Here let me walk you through it.
Recon: …He says that the rapidly growing deficit is sustainable over the next ten years
Me: The deficit has been shrinking over the past 4 years, not growing
Recon: [Childish insult]
Me: [Post chart using CBO info that shows budget deficit has been shrinking]
Recon: [More childishness]
Your turn Recon. You apparently don’t understand differences between debt and deficit.
Recon 0311 2533
March 13th, 2013
8:45 pm
Do you have and Grey Poupon?
Don’t have any use for it but would be glad to provide you Poupon and canned veggies in a care package. Let me know and I’ll have my administrative staff take care of it. Regress, keep
getalife
March 13th, 2013
8:46 pm
del,
I will pass on the poopon basket but thanks for the offer.
getalife
March 13th, 2013
8:47 pm
Keep,
That is what our cons call “debate”.
Orange13
March 13th, 2013
8:48 pm
“Give me the total costs of the collapse and I can decide.”
Here you go Getalife.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesglassman/2012/07/11/the-facts-about-budget-deficits-how-the-presidents-truly-rank/
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 13th, 2013
8:51 pm
get, yep. When the lose to the facts, they act like real children.
Lynnie Gal
March 13th, 2013
8:51 pm
It’s worth noting that Dick Cheney’s heart runs on batteries. He has them replaced every few years. Really. Also, Cheney has no pulse. Really. Which leads to the natural conclusion that Dick Cheney is a zombie.
Recon 0311 2533
March 13th, 2013
8:51 pm
He says that the rapidly growing deficit is sustainable over the next ten years
keep, no offense intended but do you not keep of with current news events? Obama made that statement to George Staphacocolis in a recent ABC exclusive interview. Good grief you must really be sheltered from reality.
getalife
March 13th, 2013
8:52 pm
Orange,
A bushie op ed?
“I am the founding executive director of the George W. Bush Institute, part of the George W. Bush Presidential Center in Dallas, Texas, located on the campus of Southern Methodist University.” Glassman
Don’t give me that bushie garbage son.
You know I don’t read that crap.
getalife
March 13th, 2013
8:55 pm
“get, yep. When the lose to the facts, they act like real children.”
They lack the humility gene.
Orange13
March 13th, 2013
8:56 pm
Getalife,
More BS from you. Faced with facts: you call them crap. Accept the truth Getalife, embrace it after all, like it are not, those are the real facts.
Recon 0311 2533
March 13th, 2013
8:57 pm
It’s indeed amazing how uninformed/misinformed left wing liberals are about domestic and world events.
getalife
March 13th, 2013
8:59 pm
I am happy our President does not want to balance our budget.
I am happy he called out the gop on another manufactured crisis.
I think the gop finally found something they are good at.
Manufacturing fake crisis.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 13th, 2013
8:59 pm
So now Recon you are moving the goal posts and claiming you were quoting the President in an interview but yet you failed to just acknowledge that deficits have been decreasing. Instead you took my post and through back a childish insult.
Here is the transcript of the interview. Please do identify the paragraph containing the language you now claim to be quoting. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/transcript-president-obamas-exclusive-interview-george-stephanopoulos-110305568–abc-news-topstories.html
independent thinker
March 13th, 2013
9:01 pm
What kinda folks would spend money on a book written by this lying p.o.s. unless you wan to learn how to lie successfully.
L!beral Nightm@re
March 13th, 2013
9:01 pm
God I love me some Dick Cheney. Nothin p!sses lib-tards and the 25 Bookman followers like Dick Cheney. 10 years after the fact a man as irrelevant as Jay Bookman still gets written about by a lib propagandist disguised as a journalist. (irony) Hey CooCooman, I hear Chemey’s looking for a hunting partner. I’ll pay all your expenses if you’ll go.
Where’s the article on how the Catholic Church must be racist for not making the black dude pope?
Cue pathetic attempts to ban….
Orange13
March 13th, 2013
9:06 pm
Getalife,
Who manufactured this last crisis? Who approved it? Come on. Tell the truth for a change.
Recon 0311 2533
March 13th, 2013
9:07 pm
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/Decoder-Wire/2013/0313/Obama-argues-a-balanced-budget-isn-t-necessary.-Can-he-convince-the-public
L!beral Nightm@re
March 13th, 2013
9:08 pm
Most of us know of the comparable relationship between Lincoln and Kennedy;
but have you ever considered the comparisons between President Obama
and Lincoln?
Parallels of Abraham Lincoln and Barack Hussein Obama:
1. Lincoln placed his hand on the Bible for his inauguration.
Obama used the very same Bible Lincoln used, for his inauguration.
2. Lincoln came from Illinois .
Obama comes from Illinois .
3. Lincoln served in the Illinois Legislature.
Obama served in the Illinois Legislature.
4. Lincoln had very little experience before becoming President.
Obama had very little experience before becoming President.
5. Lincoln rode the train from Philadelphia to Washington for his inauguration.
Obama rode the train from Philadelphia to Washington for his inauguration.
6. Lincoln was highly respected by some, but intensely disliked by others.
Obama is highly respected by some, but intensely disliked by others.
7. Abraham Lincoln was a tall, skinny lawyer.
Barack Obama is a tall, skinny lawyer.
8. Lincoln held to basic Conservative and Christian views.
Obama is a tall, skinny lawyer.
9. Lincoln volunteered in the Illinois militia; once as a captain,
twice as a private.
Obama is a tall, skinny lawyer.
10. Lincoln firmly believed in able persons carrying their own weight.
Obama is a tall, skinny lawyer.
11. Lincoln was undeniably, and without any doubt, born in the United States .
Obama is a tall, skinny lawyer.
12. Lincoln was honest – so honest that he was called ‘Honest Abe’.
Obama is a tall, skinny lawyer
13. Lincoln preserved the United States as a strong nation, respected
by the world.
Obama is a tall, skinny lawyer.
14. Lincoln showed his obvious respect for the flag, U. S.
Constitution, and the military.
Obama is a skinny lawyer.
Recon 0311 2533
March 13th, 2013
9:09 pm
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/13/obama-meets-with-house-republicans-downplays-immediate-debt-crisis/
JamVet
March 13th, 2013
9:09 pm
Other than the (W)orst Ever himself, no man is more responsible for the hemorrhaging going on in the hapless GOP these days than Dickless Dick.
Three out of four elections since those halcyon days of unmitigated serial disasters and deadly blunders have turned out very, very bad for the fake conservatives.
And the future looks even worse! Even so, I’ll gladly settle for them getting their heads kicked in three out of every four elections going forward.
You’re doing a heckuva job, connies!
kayaker 71
March 13th, 2013
9:11 pm
So, are we to ignore all of the comments of support from most of the liberal goons in power, Senate, House, cabinet, you name it. Most, if not all, were in solid support of Bush’s commitment in Iraq. Berger, Clinton, Albright, Kerry, Sanford Bishop, Rod Blagojevich, Dick Gephardt, Steny Hoyer, Patrick Kennedy, John Murtha, Henry Waxman, Anthony Wiener, Joe Biden, Bill Clinton, Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Jay Rockefeller, Harry Reid, John Edwards, Evan Bayh…… just to name a few. They might not have liked or admired Dick Cheney, however they went along with their support none the less. That is, until they stuck their fingers up in the air and realized that their stand might jeprodize their political future and then they jumped ship like the bunch of rat politicians that they are and joined the opposition. Liberals often do this. They have no spine. They are a bunch of girlie men/women. They make me sick.
guy
March 13th, 2013
9:11 pm
This is history that hopefully we will learn from.(probably not). Next catastrophe for people who work and employers,obamacare. You ain’t seen nothin yet! Get ready!
Orange13
March 13th, 2013
9:12 pm
Nightm@re’
Now those are facts!
moonbat betty
March 13th, 2013
9:12 pm
What what?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgSdqXXA1OE
Orange13
March 13th, 2013
9:15 pm
“Next catastrophe for people who work and employers,obamacare.”
We have to get by March 27th first.