An unrepentent Dick Cheney, 10 years after
“I did what I did,” Dick Cheney says in a documentary to be shown Friday night on Showtime, “and it’s all part of the public record and I feel very good about it. If I had it to do over again, I’d do it in a minute.”
History, however, will register a much different verdict. It will record that while Cheney won the battle, he lost the wars, both foreign and domestic, with consequences that continue to reverberate and may do so for decades to come.
Yes, in the wake of the attacks of Sept. 11, Cheney was able to maneuver a pliable, inexperienced and maybe somewhat frightened president into an unnecessary invasion of Iraq, an act of war that had nothing whatsoever to do with the terrorist attacks that inspired it. That war, which began 10 years ago next week, led to the deaths of more than 4,000 American soldiers, the psychic and physical wounding of tens of thousands more and the expenditure of well over a trillion dollars, and for what?
Saddam Hussein is gone. But today, Iraq is all but a client state of neighboring Iran, and has been assisting Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad in his effort to remain in power. Despite our investment of blood and treasure, we have little or no influence over Iraq’s policies or practices, and American oil companies have been largely shut out.
And as Amnesty International reports:
“Ten years after the US-led invasion that toppled the brutal dictatorship of Saddam Hussein, Iraq remains mired in human rights abuses. Thousands of Iraqis are detained without trial or serving prison sentences imposed after unfair trials, torture remains rife and continues to be committed with impunity, and the new Iraq is one of the world’s leading executioners.”
By insisting on fighting on two fronts at once, both in Iraq and Afghanistan, thus dividing our manpower, financial resources and attention, Cheney also helped to ensure that we achieved real victory in neither. We will never know whether a full commitment to Afghanistan in the early years would have paid off with success; we know only that the odds of ultimate success having followed the path we did are very long.
The third war that Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz and others lost was right here at home. The invasion of Iraq was to mark the return of a muscular and militaristic foreign policy, freed of the constraints once placed upon it by the now collapsed Soviet Union. Those regimes, such as Saddam’s Iraq, that did not do our bidding would be subject to removal, and a Pax Americana, like the Pax Romana of the Roman empire, would be imposed upon the world.
That was the theory. In practice, the invasion of Iraq, driven by false promises of easy conquest and false threats of WMD, yellowcake, mushroom clouds and unmanned aerial vehicles, exposed the strategic overreach and arrogance implicit in such a policy. By his second term, a chastened President Bush had largely pushed Cheney aside, but that recognition of his vice president’s malignant influence came too late to save his presidency, or more importantly to extract his country from the consequences of his mistakes.
Today, the neocon ambitions of Cheney and his friends have been discredited. The lessons of Vietnam have been refreshed rather than overturned, and support is growing even within the Republican Party for a less expensive military and a more circumspect use of force overseas. The remaining advocates of a Cheney-esque foreign policy — men such as John McCain and William Kristol — are left to stamp their feet in frustration.
Cheney may indeed do it all over again if given the chance. But having learned the hard way, the American people are no longer willing to give him and others like him that opportunity.
– Jay Bookman
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Brosephus™
March 13th, 2013
5:20 pm
It was also Obama who allowed Iraq to push us out without having an established a permanent military base.
SOFA says otherwise…
The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement (official name: “Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq”) was a status of forces agreement (SOFA) between Iraq and the United States, signed by President George W. Bush in 2008. It established that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.%E2%80%93Iraq_Status_of_Forces_Agreement
Fred ™
March 13th, 2013
5:21 pm
The one thing I liked about Bush and Cheney was their ability to make a decision,…granted not always the correct decision but a decision nonetheless…
And Hitler kept the trains on time lol. (Godwin)
JamVet
March 13th, 2013
5:21 pm
“We know he’s been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons, and we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons.” –March 16, 2003
Jefferson
March 13th, 2013
5:22 pm
Reb is Jay’s rage as strong as your’s against your president ?
josef
March 13th, 2013
5:22 pm
The language of discussion? There is no “official” language of the Vatican state. Italian is the lingua franca and is the language most often used by the Pontiff in his addresses. Latin remains the language of the Holy See in its publications.
Fred ™
March 13th, 2013
5:23 pm
Do the cardinals have discussions in Latin? Or Italian?
I’d guess English…and/or French…like other international assemblies…but Latin is a fine guess as well
Really? As world traveled as you are you didn’t know that Latin is the traditional language for the Catholic Church? They used to do the whole service in Latin and in traditional churches still do. i THINK it was in the 1960’s that they finally stopped lol but I’m not sure.
Are there any catholic scholars here?
Brosephus™
March 13th, 2013
5:24 pm
Here’s a reminder of the ceremony when the SOFA between Iraq and America was signed.
http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/bush%20shoe.jpg
This infamous incident happened at the press conference when the pact was signed.
JohnnyReb
March 13th, 2013
5:25 pm
Brosephus – thanks for 5:20 as I utter words the blue dog won’t allow.
Arms Akimbo
March 13th, 2013
5:25 pm
Good thing Obama has fully adopted Cheney’s anti-terrorism strategies or America’s strongest weapon would be the threat of sending John Kerry and getalife to go talk our enemies to death. Dennis Rodman thinks Obama should go talk to Kim Jon Un, but the big O has been too busy consulting Scottie Pippen on Iranian nuclear strategy. It is important to have an informed opinion.
YouLibs
March 13th, 2013
5:26 pm
It astonishes me that all the hit dogs holler EVEN ON THIS!
(sorry for dipping into your reservoir of CAPS, sam, i’ll economize from here on out)
i can’t handle kyle’s blog. does he make a practice of praising liberals over there every day?
Brosephus™
March 13th, 2013
5:26 pm
JReb @ 5:20
I knew you meant served though. Couldn’t resist getting a laugh from you though.
JohnnyReb
March 13th, 2013
5:28 pm
Jefferson – nah. My dislike of Obama trumps all.
And, BTW, he’s not my president. I remain in denial and will until death.
josef
March 13th, 2013
5:30 pm
JohnnyReb
I pretty much agree with you on that. I disagree with Friedman more often than not, but he can write, he is informed, and he does often present a human perspective, Did you catch any of his articles on getting to know Southern Jews? It was kinda nice to hear him say, “wow, I didn’t know all that” about our history here in America. Now, that quasi-literate, half-wit pompous ass colleague? Don’t get me started…
Brosephus™
March 13th, 2013
5:32 pm
Now, that quasi-literate, half-wit pompous ass colleague? Don’t get me started…
josef
March 13th, 2013
5:33 pm
JohnnyReb
Oh, yes, he is, too, your President…but at least you can call it denial! Reagan was my President, even I can’t say or write his name without a curse…
josef
March 13th, 2013
5:34 pm
BROSEPHUS
I guess you gathered I don’t much care for him…
William Smith
March 13th, 2013
5:35 pm
Cheney also said he would also have gotten into Syria. Time to cut defense by large amounts of funding. When it comes to military spending we have lost all common sense. We can’t continue to spend more money than all of the other major military powers combined. It seems unusual that the American who spoke out firmly against the military industrial complex was Dwight Eisenhower, I can only assume he knew nothing about the military. Our loved ones have died enough for the bottom line of corporate America.
willydoit?
March 13th, 2013
5:37 pm
Wow! Its been about a month since I have had the time to actually sit and read one of Jay’s columns and all the comments that follow….
Is this blog a rerun? I can almost swear I’ve read all of this before!
Brosephus™
March 13th, 2013
5:37 pm
josef
The message I got was a bit more detailed than just don’t care for him.
Welcome to the Occupation
March 13th, 2013
5:37 pm
“We will never know whether a full commitment to Afghanistan in the early years would have paid off with success”
Success at what?
As long as you’re waging a “war on terror” in the form of an actual war — through force — you’re not going to have much “success”.
By the way we’re still waging this War on Terror, even if the language has been softened just a bit.
JohnnyReb
March 13th, 2013
5:38 pm
josef – I have not read Friedman on Southern Jews, although with my affinity for Jewish people (especialy the women) I might like it. I actually quit reading him when the AJC did the shakeup of editorials for the weekend – we only get the hardcopy on Sat & Sun.
JamVet
March 13th, 2013
5:38 pm
“In Iraq, a ruthless dictator cultivated weapons of mass destruction and the means to deliver them. He gave support to terrorists, had an established relationship with al Qaeda, and his regime is no more.” –Nov. 7, 2003
Mick
March 13th, 2013
5:45 pm
Red meat, dinner time…got to weigh in on the the dick…one of the most despicable public servants in american history….just proves the theory that a loser can fail upward…
Welcome to the Occupation
March 13th, 2013
5:46 pm
Jay: “By insisting on fighting on two fronts at once, both in Iraq and Afghanistan, thus dividing our manpower, financial resources and attention, Cheney also helped to ensure that we achieved real victory in neither. We will never know whether a full commitment to Afghanistan in the early years would have paid off with success; we know only that the odds of ultimate success having followed the path we did are very long.”
This also suggests that our errors in the Middle East were really of a tactical and strategic nature.
Odd that you cite having little “influence over Iraq’s policies or practices” and the fact that “American oil companies have been largely shut out” as a measure of our lack of success.
If Iraq were in fact a puppet state of the US and not of Iran and Dick Cheney had succeeded in making it a source of unbounded treasure and accumulation for western corporations, would you still be saying it was a failure?
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
March 13th, 2013
5:49 pm
Well, well, we finally get another blog on old Richardhead Cheney. The guy that was a walking ad for Peptobismol because when he talked he sounded like he was doing his best to keep from belching.
Now it’s true he might of got about 4,000 of our boys and girls killed and another 30,000 or so ruint for life, but you got to give him one thing: everybody thinks twice now before saying OK to going hunting with somebody. Me, I always asked myself if my inviter was the kind that would shoot me in the face and then go have a beer someplace.
I got to admit I was kinda suprized when I heard he’d had a heart transplant. Heck, alot of us never thought he had one to start with or even needed one.
Anyhow, them’s my memories of Richardhead Cheney. And now me and old Ace is going to lean back in the double recliner and watch Fox News. I feel awful releived they finally picked somebody else to be Pope. As I expected it was somebody nobody ever heard of and nobody could pronounce his name, which is the misspelled version of George something or other. Have a good night everybody.
josef
March 13th, 2013
5:51 pm
JohnnyReb
It gave me a whole new perspective on him. If you’re interested in Southern Jewish History, check out the Southern Jewish Historical Society’s publications, the Museum of Southern Jewish Experience, Rosengarten’s book, “A Portion of the People: Three Hundred Years of Southern Jewish Life” and especially the exhibit put together with that name by the folks down in Charleston…
Do I sound like an underground agent…
getalife
March 13th, 2013
5:51 pm
“And, BTW, he’s not my president”:
Unpatriotic failed American.
Jay
March 13th, 2013
5:51 pm
Yes, I would, Welcome. I was arguing strenuously against the invasion at a time when very few did. My point here is that even by the standards that Cheney and others would use, the effort failed.
Mick
March 13th, 2013
5:51 pm
welcome
That’s the point, not only did we hand over iraq to iran with our blood and treasure, no oil has been flowing our way to offset the cost and help the american consumer. It was a bad deal every which way you look at it…
JamVet
March 13th, 2013
5:53 pm
“I think they’re in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency.” — on the Iraq insurgency, June 20, 2005
He did the unthinkable, Dick replaced Spiro Agnew as the most contemptible vice president in the past hundred years… (Quayle was dumb, but harmless..)
independent thinker
March 13th, 2013
5:57 pm
I cannot think of anything good to say about this lying p.o.s.
josef
March 13th, 2013
5:59 pm
JM
4:53 pm
“History, however, will register a much different verdict. ”
Jay, you’re a history professor? Wowser.”
****
He’s not a professor, but a relatively informed historian,,,just not a MAJOR one…
fair and balanced
March 13th, 2013
6:00 pm
Anyone else notice that when Cheney starts lying real good he cocks his head to its side at almost a 45 degree angle.
josef
March 13th, 2013
6:00 pm
ZamVet
@ 5:53
You nattering nabob of negativity, you!
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
March 13th, 2013
6:03 pm
You nattering nabob of negativity, you!
Well, I still say that old Spiro was just misunderstood.
Welcome to the Occupation
March 13th, 2013
6:05 pm
I see, Jay. Thanks for clarifying.
getalife
March 13th, 2013
6:08 pm
“Anyone else notice that when Cheney starts lying real good he cocks his head to its side at almost a 45 degree angle”
I don’t listen to massive failures so no I did not notice.
JamVet
March 13th, 2013
6:08 pm
Now that I think about it, Spiro and Dickhead shared that venomous and condescending sneer.
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2007/07/22/dickcheney140ready.jpg
And jonix, I prefer to think of myself as one of “the effete corps of impudent snobs” rather than a nattering nabob, thank you very much!
SueEllenEwing
March 13th, 2013
6:10 pm
Chaney has no soul.
GT
March 13th, 2013
6:10 pm
Ten years and no repent, it is so illogical, and when he is finally term limited out of power that GOP totally shows their disrespect for the American public by putting Palin on the ticket. These aren’t people these are soap operas, with all the shallowness that goes with it.
ralph
March 13th, 2013
6:12 pm
I think Cheney’s whole persona can be easily summed up by his first name, Dick, if you get my drift
josef
March 13th, 2013
6:12 pm
ZamVet
@ 6:08
getalife
March 13th, 2013
6:14 pm
“Deficits don’t matter” so they exploded the deficit.
Tall
March 13th, 2013
6:17 pm
Mr. Bookman:
What do you think the world would look like had we not invaded Iraq? Yes, there wouldn’t have been casualties or the costs associated with it. I’m curious. The columns you published during the dark days of that war were bitter. The casualty count was the first order of business by the main stream media. We’re still a nation at war.
F. Sinkwich
March 13th, 2013
6:18 pm
God bless Dick Cheney.
The only reason lib ilks are dumping on him is to provide their American Idol Preezy, O’Bozo, with cover for surrendering Iraq to Iran, and Afghanistan to the Taliban and AQ.
Cheney helped to unapologetically kicked terrorist ass across the globe, which was exactly what was needed ten years ago. It’s needed today as well, but unfortunately Prezzy is a puzzy. So we’ll have to do it again in a few years.
I just hope someone like Cheney is in charge then.
That Black Guy
March 13th, 2013
6:19 pm
Matti
March 13th, 2013
4:23 pm
Dear Cheney’s Mother,
I’ve always wondered. Was Satan any good in the sack, or did he just knock you up and leave the money on the table?
________________________________________________
Matti, that was low and classless.
His dead mother does not deserve to basically be calles a *whore*.
josef
March 13th, 2013
6:23 pm
TBG
Oh, our matti decidedly has a double standard when it comes to such…
Peadawg
March 13th, 2013
6:25 pm
“and all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011″
And let’s not forget that Obama tried to extend that deadline. Then once it fell through he said “HEY! SEE!! I kept my promise”.
Welcome to the Occupation
March 13th, 2013
6:26 pm
“The only reason lib ilks are dumping on him is to provide their American Idol Preezy, O’Bozo, with cover for surrendering Iraq to Iran…”
Nice, Sinkie, blame Obama for what Georgie actually did.
josef
March 13th, 2013
6:28 pm
Enter your comments here
Brosephus™
March 13th, 2013
6:28 pm
The only reason lib ilks are dumping on him is to provide their American Idol Preezy, O’Bozo, with cover for surrendering Iraq to Iran
Considering Bush got two shoes thrown at him after he signed the agreement with Iraq that surrendered it to Iran, you shouldn’t call him names like that. What will your fellow conservatives think of you violating St. Ronnie’s 11th Commandment?
DoggoneGA
March 13th, 2013
6:30 pm
“What do you think the world would look like had we not invaded Iraq?”
Like it did before we invaded. And there would be 4000 fewer dead American soldiers, and thousands fewer dead Iraqis. Do you REALLY think we did the “right thing” to invade a country that was NO THREAT to us and that had NOTHING to do with the 911 attacks? Really and truly?
F. Sinkwich
March 13th, 2013
6:31 pm
“Nice, Sinkie, blame Obama for what Georgie actually did.”
Not factually intended to be a statement. **
** KammieSpam. All rights reserved.
Matti
March 13th, 2013
6:31 pm
Seriously?
Geeebus people, it was a joke. JOKE? The Cheney = Satan analogy has been widespread for years. I watch a lot of late night comedy, and cracked a joke. You people remind me of Donald Trump suing Bill Maher for his “can you prove your father is not an orangutan?” joke. I did not attack someone’s children, but merely quipped something admittedly tasteless about Cheney’s (obviously true) parentage.
Josef, don’t refer to me as “our Matti.” Do you think I don’t remember the words you use to describe women, and the context in which you use them? I agree with you on some stuff, but I long since discarded the foolish notion that you were ever on my side about anything, here, or in life, or ever.
But okay, hypocrites. I’ll apologize to Cheney’s mother. The poor woman was probably RAPED by Satan, bless her heart.
Feel better now? Good. Now get over yourselves, really, lest I waste the rest of my life calling YOU out on every little nasty thing YOU say in half-jest, which is a lot.
JamVet
March 13th, 2013
6:31 pm
I cannot help but think that Showtime is going to take great delight in dredging up Dickless Dick’s deadly record of failure and reigniting a nations disgust with him and that blithering idiot that he served under.
Good for Showtime.
BAD for the GOP…
F. Sinkwich
March 13th, 2013
6:33 pm
“after he signed the agreement with Iraq that surrendered it to Iran…”
More KammieSpam.
Not even a nice try.
fedup
March 13th, 2013
6:34 pm
Matti went overboard with the comment. On the other hand if you lost a loved in the unnecessary war and geezer just made millions in exchange of your blood. How would feel about this prick?
getalife
March 13th, 2013
6:35 pm
Pea,
He kept his promise to end both losing occupations.
w and cheney destroyed all government credibility on use of our military.
fedup
March 13th, 2013
6:36 pm
And his family and the whole gene pool that spawned this satan
F. Sinkwich
March 13th, 2013
6:36 pm
Lib ilks denegrating Mr. Cheney’s mother?
Nothing is too low for sickos, apparently…
That Black Guy
March 13th, 2013
6:36 pm
Matti
March 13th, 2013
5:02 pm
Fred,
You have no sense of humor. Cheney is clearly Satan spawn. Spare me the righteous indignation. Coming from you, it’s chuckle worthy at best.
______________________________________________
Rush says, “B@tch, I was just kidding. You don’t have much of a sense of humor for a ‘ho.”
josef
March 13th, 2013
6:36 pm
matti
Of course I remember…it was a joke…heh, heh? Espejo, espejo! Like I said, double standard…
And why in the world would I ever want to be on anybody’s “side?” I like women fine…snivling twits of either gender? Weeellll…
Welcome to the Occupation
March 13th, 2013
6:37 pm
By the way, the situation currently in Afghanistan is rather abysmal. And Hagel’s first trip to the country since becoming Sec. of Defense was by all accounts a debacle. Within hours of his landing 20 Afghans were blown up in two suicide bombings, one near the defense ministry, Then the diplomatic side of the visit went anything but smoothly, from what I understand, with Karzai openly berating the US for its actions in the country. Not good. Not good.
Peadawg
March 13th, 2013
6:39 pm
“He kept his promise”
Only after he almost didn’t. Only after negotiations fell through b/c Americans wouldn’t have immunity.
getalife
March 13th, 2013
6:40 pm
“you don’t have much of a sense of humor for a ‘ho.””
Apologize.
Matti
March 13th, 2013
6:41 pm
josef,
One day you’ll enlighten me on how your double standard is different from mine, then. Thankyewsomuch. Like I said…. not harboring any illusions there, buddy.
getalife
March 13th, 2013
6:41 pm
Pea,
You lost.
Get over it.
josef
March 13th, 2013
6:42 pm
OCCUPATION
Ssssshhhh…we’re not supposed to say anything negative about Hagel…
godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need
March 13th, 2013
6:42 pm
Only papers I’ve read that seem plausible (and this is brief as I’m on a tight schedule today) is, post 9-11, with AQ with its sights not on just the US but on toppling ME regimes cooperating with US, was the idea of establishing a democratic government in a ME nation, demonstrating a road to democracy for other regimes to lessen antagonism to the dictators while hoping for gov’ts that would be antagonistic to fanatical Muslim gov’t and amenable to relations with the US. Iraq had a healthy middle class and a dictator who had been at odds with the US for years. It was an obvious choice.
Word, Paul.
TM
March 13th, 2013
6:42 pm
still waiting for Jay to republish is article on Trayvon Martin? Does he repent?
F. Sinkwich
March 13th, 2013
6:43 pm
Nice synopsis, Occutard.
No doubt most here will blame that debacle on Bush…
josef
March 13th, 2013
6:43 pm
matti
I never pretended it was…
getalife
March 13th, 2013
6:44 pm
I don’t think hagel is up to the task.
Brosephus™
March 13th, 2013
6:45 pm
Not even a nice try.
I provided the info at the top of the page. The truth shall set you free, that is, if your body and brain will even allow you to accept the truth.
Jay
March 13th, 2013
6:45 pm
Why would I need to “republish” it, TM? It’s right here, freely available:
http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/03/21/trayvon-martin-guilty-of-being-17-and-black/
There’s also nothing there that I would retract. It stands as written.
Skip
March 13th, 2013
6:46 pm
Matti,way to go lady| The fake outrage is funny.
godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need
March 13th, 2013
6:46 pm
On the other hand if you lost a loved in the unnecessary war and geezer just made millions in exchange of your blood. How would feel about this prick?
If you lost a loved one in “The Good War” since January 2009, how would you feel about the current administration?
getalife
March 13th, 2013
6:47 pm
“Matti,way to go lady| The fake outrage is funny.”
Agreed.
barking frog
March 13th, 2013
6:48 pm
Personally, I think Cheney’s mother should defend herself, him too.But
nooooo little knights in tightie whities rush to the rescue. Good luck with
that.
getalife
March 13th, 2013
6:49 pm
“The Good War”
What in the world are you talking about?
There is nothing good about occupations.
They are for nazis not Americans.
josef
March 13th, 2013
6:49 pm
getalife
“I don’t think hagel is up to the task.”
The understatement of the day.
Welcome to the Occupation
March 13th, 2013
6:49 pm
josef: “Ssssshhhh…we’re not supposed to say anything negative about Hagel…
:”
Doh! Can’t. Get. The. Script. Right!
josef
March 13th, 2013
6:50 pm
Can’t stand Cheney myself…but he DID defend his daughter…
JamVet
March 13th, 2013
6:51 pm
Comparing Matti’s comments with those of that depraved pervert Rush Limbaugh’s?
Really?
Really, really?
The greatest single thing about that disgusting radio pig is that he helped the GOP enormously last November!
By help, I mean getting their misogynistic teeth kicked in…
getalife
March 13th, 2013
6:51 pm
“The understatement of the day.”
He is gop so expect failure.
TM
March 13th, 2013
6:52 pm
“Trayvon Martin, the most innocent person in this tragedy” Still stand behind that statement you made before you knew the rest of the story?
That Black Guy
March 13th, 2013
6:52 pm
josef
March 13th, 2013
6:23 pm
TBG
Oh, our matti decidedly has a double standard when it comes to such…
__________________
I noticed.
I dispise my ex-wife, but I still have enough respect for women not to call her a *whore*.
josef
March 13th, 2013
6:53 pm
getalife
GOP is the least of his sins in my book…
fedup
March 13th, 2013
6:53 pm
Rush denigrated an innocent young woman. On the otherhand your precious Dick justified the loosing of 4000 young men and women for his profit margin. That is the difference between Matti and Rush. Now do you understand the difference.
Welcome to the Occupation
March 13th, 2013
6:54 pm
F. Sinkwich: “Nice synopsis, Occutard.
No doubt most here will blame that debacle on Bush…”
Not me. All leaders of the imperium or more or less equally guilty.
But if you really want to know who I blame in personal terms, Mr. Brzezinski back in the Carter administration wouldn’t be a bad place to start, as far as our Afghan woes are concerned. But even so that’s missing the point. Any American would probably have done the same in his shoes.
getalife
March 13th, 2013
6:55 pm
“but he DID defend his daughter…”
Yeah, he went full throttle on gay marriage and told the unhinged cons to shove it.
Nah, he timidly agreed with gay marriage but the new Pope does not.
That Black Guy
March 13th, 2013
6:56 pm
fedup
March 13th, 2013
6:34 pm
Matti went overboard with the comment. On the other hand if you lost a loved in the unnecessary war and geezer just made millions in exchange of your blood. How would feel about this prick?
_______________________________________________________________
I have, and his DEAD mother had nothing to do with it.
getalife
March 13th, 2013
6:57 pm
“GOP is the least of his sins in my book…”
He should have picked a Dem.
N-GA
March 13th, 2013
6:58 pm
Why do people write about the 4,000+ Americans killed but fail to mention that over 100,000 Iraqis died in this illegal war? Personally I am waiting for the day when Cheney (or Bush) travels to another country and is arrested for war crimes like Milosevic, Karadzic, etc. The wingnuts will implode while justice is served. Of course if he (they) hide here in the US for the rest of their lives, they will still pay the price for all eternity. I cannot believe there is ever true forgiveness for such pure evil.
godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need
March 13th, 2013
6:59 pm
The Good War”
What in the world are you talking about?
Out President called Afghanistan “The good war”
Matti
March 13th, 2013
6:59 pm
That Black Guy (and others who are offended),
I am SO SORRY for my deplorable lack of graciousness by making a tasteless joke, I am determined to make it up to you. The only way I can think of to do that is to give y’all one to tell about me after I leave the room:
“Matti’s just mad because she gave it up to Satan after a cheeseburger and fries, and didn’t think that she should have charged him. D’oh! She even had to pay for her own ABORTION! True story!”
Hahahaha!
There now, little ones. If that doesn’t make you feel better, I’m just all out of ideas. Have a lovely evening, y’all.
(PS to josef: Matthew 5:46)
godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need
March 13th, 2013
6:59 pm
Our
Peadawg
March 13th, 2013
6:59 pm
“You lost.
Get over it.”
What I’d lose?
getalife
March 13th, 2013
7:00 pm
“Out President called Afghanistan “The good war””
Linky?
getalife
March 13th, 2013
7:00 pm
“What I’d lose?”
Your mind after he was elected.
Twice.