Jeb Bush has a principled stand on immigration. Several, in fact.
Last summer, Jeb Bush was in favor of offering illegal immigrants a path to citizenship. As he told Charlie Rose:
“You have to deal with this issue. You can’t ignore it, and so either a path to citizenship, which I would support — and that does put me probably out of the mainstream of most conservatives — or a path to legalization, a path to residency of some kind.”
In his new book, “Immigration Wars: Forging an American Solution”, Bush comes out in stalwart opposition to citizenship.
“It is absolutely vital to the integrity of our immigration system that actions have consequences — in this case, that those who violated the law can remain but cannot obtain the cherished fruits of citizenship. To do otherwise would signal once again that people who circumvent the system can still obtain the full benefits of American citizenship.”
Today on “Morning Joe”, Bush was back to his initial position. Kind of … He repeatedly stressed that the book was written last year, as if something had happened recently to alter what in the book seems to be a strong, principle-based opposition to a path to citizenship. He also argued that a path to legalization would not create a magnet for future illegal immigration, while a path to citizenship somehow would.
“If you don’t have a difference between a path to citizenship or a path to legalization, you’re going to create a magnet going forward for more illegal immigration. So going forward — we wrote this last year — going forward, if there is a difference, if you can craft that in law where you can have a path to citizenship where there isn’t an incentive for people to come illegally, I’m for it. I don’t have a problem with that.”
A couple of points:
1.) The Bush flip-flop-flip has angered veterans of Mitt Romney’s campaign, which last year felt stranded on unpopular ground with the candidate’s “self-deportation” approach.
“Where the hell was this Jeb Bush during the campaign?” one advisor told the Miami Herald. “He spent all this time criticizing Romney and it turns out he has basically the same position. So he wants people to go back to their country and apply for citizenship? Well, that’s self deportation. We got creamed for talking about that. And now Jeb is saying the same thing.”
2.) The distinction that Bush attempts to draw between legalization and citizenship in fact has little real consequence. Those who have immigrated here illegally were drawn by jobs, the chance to escape Third World living conditions or greater opportunity for their children. Getting U.S. citizenship was way, way down on their list. A nice possibility, maybe, but hardly a deciding factor.
The notion that a path to legalization would be a less powerful magnet than a path to citizenship makes no sense, and Bush is smart enough to know it. But when you’re caught tacking to the right when the political winds are blowing left, and when you have ambitions of becoming the third consecutive Republican president named Bush, you have to scramble a bit.
– Jay Bookman
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getalife
March 6th, 2013
9:19 am
The key to North Korea opening the free market like China and South Korea is Michael Jordon.
They love him.
barking frog
March 6th, 2013
9:20 am
appleseed
Please list what the republicans have done for the blacks.
……………………………………………………………………….
they helped elect Obama, twice.
Doggone/GA
March 6th, 2013
9:20 am
“.Please list what the republicans have done for the blacks.”
Pointless request. Abraham Lincoln was a Republican. The parties have pretty much switched sides on the issues. It’s not really a question of “Democrats vs Republicans”…it’s more a matter of conservatives vs liberals
barking frog
March 6th, 2013
9:21 am
getalife
maybe the President can field a basketball diplomatic team.
Paul
March 6th, 2013
9:23 am
barking frog
I understand that, but I believe the leadup to Kerry’s statement was Rodman’s response after he was asked about his gushing comments in light of the human rights atrocities of N Korea’s leader and his response of ‘don’t hate on me.’
He makes some valid points in the domestic scene, but I think he’s in a bit over his head in the other arena. But if some good comes out of that, it should not be discounted. But I don’t think Obama’s going to call, and I don’t think it ever occurs to Kim that he should be the one doing the calling.
Brosephus™ - Comin' straight out of Compton
March 6th, 2013
9:23 am
Pointless request. Abraham Lincoln was a Republican. The parties have pretty much switched sides on the issues. It’s not really a question of “Democrats vs Republicans”…it’s more a matter of conservatives vs liberals
Yep!!!
barking frog
March 6th, 2013
9:23 am
Abraham Lincoln was a Republican
………………………………………………….
Only in his first term. Second term he ran on the Union ticket.
Doggone/GA
March 6th, 2013
9:24 am
“Only in his first term. Second term he ran on the Union ticket.”
Doesn’t change anything about what I said
Joe Hussein Mama
March 6th, 2013
9:25 am
K71 — ““What other minority group gets into this country just by making it to dry land?”…… About 20M latinos.”
Please refrain from dipspittery while the blog is in motion.
You know very well the issue there, K71. Cubans who make it to dry land here can stay LEGALLY. Other Hispanics cannot.
Oh, but you knew that already, since I’ve told you so several times.
getalife
March 6th, 2013
9:25 am
frog,
I am thinking more like Nike since they make basketball shoes with Jordon.
Paul
March 6th, 2013
9:26 am
Welcome to the Occupation
Why do you think people should not have protested against American involvement in Vietnam?
QE 4 EVAH?
March 6th, 2013
9:26 am
Immigration flip-flops expose Obama’s insincerity
Bookman prefers Obama’s flop to Bush’s flip.
Nothing new here.
Paul
March 6th, 2013
9:27 am
getalife
There’s an idea for a person who will keep the spotlight elsewhere. As Mick said, if ping pong can gain results…
Thomas Heyward Jr
March 6th, 2013
9:28 am
Goldmen/Government Saches just sent Dennis Rodman and the effing HARLEM GLOBETROTTERS to Korea for some vig squezzings.
.
And you can bet………those North Korean men are working harder this morning……….what..with their pregnant wives.
barking frog
March 6th, 2013
9:28 am
Paul
But I don’t think Obama’s going to call, and I don’t think it ever occurs to Kim that he should be the one doing the calling
……………………………………………………………………
well we certainly want to continue our stance until that occurs and Kerry
can just answer the phone from all our allies..
MiltonMan
March 6th, 2013
9:30 am
“Requiescat in pacem, Mr. Chavez. You earned a piece of my heart when you called Mr. Bush the devil.”
Indeed.”
Leave it up to libs in this country to celebrate a corrupt socialist comparing the freely elected leader of America to the devil.
Joe Hussein Mama
March 6th, 2013
9:32 am
MM — “Leave it up to libs in this country to celebrate a corrupt socialist comparing the freely elected leader of America to the devil.”
As many names as you and your ideological compatriots call the *current* freely elected leader of America, you’ve got no complaint coming when someone slags on your favored former CINC, son.
barking frog
March 6th, 2013
9:33 am
Thomas Heyward Jr.
And you can bet………those North Korean men are working harder this morning……….what..with their pregnant wives.
………………………………………………………..
Maybe their babies will grow up to be cowboys uhh basketball
players, Koreans may be more liberal in accepting contributions
to the gene pool than we realize…
GT
March 6th, 2013
9:33 am
Jackie I actually met Lee Atwater living in Columbia S.C. He was running the Ford Reelection campaign and my job was renting him temporary office space in the Five Points Building on Devine Street.
He kept a Bible never took the cellophane off, never open the cover. The power he saw in that Bible was it got votes. He shared that office suite with Strom Thurman and Harold Dent along with Congressman Floyd and a few others. The governor in those days was a Republican which in the south was nearly unheard of, named Edwards. The same South Carolina that started the civil war started the Tea Party right there in those offices. Atwater went on to run Bush’ Sr’s campaign and taught W during his dad’s campaign about all he knows today about politics. The rest is history.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
March 6th, 2013
9:34 am
the freely elected leader of America
well, that’s still in debate.
appleseed
March 6th, 2013
9:35 am
You know what Rodman will say” Guess what.”
Paul
March 6th, 2013
9:35 am
barking frog
A call from the President of the US carries with it quite a bit of prestige and is useful for domestic propaganda purposes. One of our main interests is not furthering N Korea’s internal and international policies. But if N Korea would respond more positively to contacts at the lower levels of the State Dept some discussions could ensue.
off to the gym – later -
Steve-USA (I don't have all the answer's, I don't even know all the questions)
March 6th, 2013
9:36 am
“As many names as you and your ideological compatriots call the *current* freely elected leader of America, you’ve got no complaint coming when someone slags on your favored former CINC, son.”
Ah…the old “We”e no worse than you are” argument. To bad no one strives to be the highest common denominator instead of the lowest.
MiltonMan
March 6th, 2013
9:37 am
“the freely elected leader of America
well, that’s still in debate.”
Maybe in your opinion it is. The SCOTUS, CNN, LA Times, Washington Times & Post, etc., etc. have all determined that Bush won Florida count after re-count.
Steve-USA (I don't have all the answer's, I don't even know all the questions)
March 6th, 2013
9:37 am
We’re – keyboard error
MiltonMan
March 6th, 2013
9:39 am
“As many names as you and your ideological compatriots call the *current* freely elected leader of America, you’ve got no complaint coming when someone slags on your favored former CINC, son.”
Please, oh please, pull up just one of my thousands of post where I stated Bush was a “favored one” of mine.
Jackie
March 6th, 2013
9:39 am
@GT
I was living in Columbia at the time and had the pleasure of meeting Lee Atwater at Groucho’s in Five Points.
He and Armstrong Williams were in collaboration in trying to get the blacks to vote Republican. The one thing that I can say for Mr. Atwater was that he was a heck of a guitar player. Saw him several times in concert at The Royal Casino with the Manhattans.
Columbia was interesting in that it had political personalities like Kay Patterson, Red Fern II and I.S. Levy Johnson.
stands for decibels
March 6th, 2013
9:40 am
Another one to add to the “Awsh-t, now THIS?” pile:
http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/murdoch-and-co-roll-out-creepy-k-12
Murdoch and Co. Roll Out Creepy K-12 Tracking Database at #SXSW
[...] Parents are pretty creeped out over the idea of tracking their kids’ school performance over their K-12 educational careers. I have some ambivalence about the whole idea, but it’s a non-starter for me when I see how they’ve structured it, and particularly knowing Rupert Murdoch is involved.
[...]
What protections will there be for student privacy? And who’s going to pay for this? Taxpayers, of course. As the budget for data mining grows and Murdoch’s pockets bulge, will there be any money left for teachers?
Normal, Plain and Simple
March 6th, 2013
9:40 am
Welcome @ 0825,
First of all I have no thoughts about Chavez other than what I said. Latin American governments are mostly run by “Strongmen” who say one thing but do the other, especially when it comes to lining their pockets. I want to believe that Chavez really did want to do the best for his people and in a lot of ways he did…but he was elected the first time and he fixed the rest of the elections he won. As I said, he was weak enough to be seduced by power. As to anything else about Venezuela and President Chavez…that’s all up to them.
stands for decibels
March 6th, 2013
9:42 am
To bad no one strives to be the highest common denominator instead
How about those of us from the left who have taken issue with Chavez’s behavior, here on these pages? What are we, chopped liver?
Joe Hussein Mama
March 6th, 2013
9:42 am
Steve — “Ah…the old “We”e no worse than you are” argument.”
Actually, no. MM was complaining that *Chavez* slagged on Bush. Chavez is hardly any sort of ‘we.’ But do keep looking for equivalencies there; it amuses me.
“To bad no one strives to be the highest common denominator instead of the lowest.”
I do.
I don’t care one whit for President Bush (the younger), but you’ll never catch me calling him a name. I make it a point to call him President Bush, Mr. Bush, G.W. Bush, and occasionally Bush the Younger (but that’s as colloquial as I get about him).
If you’re looking for a highest common denominator when it comes to speaking of former and current Presidents, I’ll certainly claim that honor myself.
Doggone/GA
March 6th, 2013
9:42 am
We’re – keyboard error
PEBCAK?
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 6th, 2013
9:42 am
Recon when you are saying the democrats have done nothing for the blacks.Please list what the republicans have done for the blacks.
I too, would like to see this list.
GT
March 6th, 2013
9:43 am
The power of negative thinking. Expect the worse and when that is interrupted it is a good day for you, but don’t expect good things to be a pattern.
Describe your opponents as evil. Then by default you must be good.
TaxPayer
March 6th, 2013
9:43 am
I recall Bush being quick to label an axis of evil and reference Gog and Magog, etc., yet when another country’s leader throws it back in his face, the cons get their panties in a wad. Too funny.
BADA BING (imagine an umlaut above the i, I'm trying to class this place up a little)
March 6th, 2013
9:45 am
Jay, could we please have a pie chart showing just how dead Chavez is. Lots o’ colors please.
Joe Hussein Mama
March 6th, 2013
9:46 am
MM — “Please, oh please, pull up just one of my thousands of post where I stated Bush was a “favored one” of mine.”
I used “your” in reference to the previously stated “your ideological compatriots,” and I’m sorry that wasn’t clear to you. If you like, I can certainly strive to be more explicit for you in the future.
Bosch
March 6th, 2013
9:46 am
Doggone,
You have hit on an interesting idea, and one that I’ve always thought defines the two groups. If you look at general definitions of conservative and liberal, they are very revealing and I think relevant still today. The idea that conservatives, by definition, don’t like change, is demonstrated by the notion that Republucans freed the slaves. While that is true and all good, it isn’t 1865. Things have changed a bit since then. Our world changes exponentially so quickly and conservatives, IMHO, are terrible at adapting to change. I think it’s mostly out of fear that those changes don’t include the people who look like them or think like them as being the most powerful.
It is also demonstrated in mottos such as “I want my country back!” and the paranoia you see when white Christian men think they are somehow persecuted.
They want the country ran like a business, but fail to understand that effective, successful businesses adapt to change, they know what works and what does not and base those changes on reality and facts, not on myths and their own perceptions.
I’m not saying that all change is good either, but in a world where the entire landscape can change in 100 years with the invention of the automobile and airplane, and technology changes so quickly each day, it’s the ones who can look at that change and move forward instead of relishing times past they think we’re good, who will succeed in the future.
barking frog
March 6th, 2013
9:47 am
BadaBing
Jay, could we please have a pie chart showing just how dead Chavez is. Lots o’ colors please.
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probably searching the intertubes for one now…
Joe Hussein Mama
March 6th, 2013
9:48 am
OHNOEZ!
Emphasis mine.
In case you thought the Australian miners that got canned for their Harlem Shake video were this week’s best “How I got fired” story, don’t forget about the unlucky guys working the night shift last Tuesday at Chivas Brothers’ Kilmalid plant.
Apparently, workers that evening were cleaning and spraying down equipment. But, as the waste water built up, someone reached for the wrong lever and instead of dumping the runoff into the sewers, they ejected thousands of gallons of bulk whiskey down the drain.
http://blogs.ajc.com/food-and-more/2013/03/05/thousands-of-gallons-of-scotch-accidentally-flushed/?cxntfid=blogs_food_and_more
godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need
March 6th, 2013
9:49 am
Interesting exercise is to go here:
http://eoimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/images/imagerecords/55000/55167/earth_lights_lrg.jpg
And zoom in on Korea
Doggone/GA
March 6th, 2013
9:50 am
Bosch – can’t remember when or where I read it, or who wrote it…but “Conservatives exist to slow down progression”
Note that it says “slow down” not STOP. I think the problem we have right now is that the Republican party is too busy becoming not just the party of stop, but the party of “go back” that they are becoming less and less capable of seeing that it can’t be done.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 6th, 2013
9:51 am
Jerome
If you’re lurking about. Tough loss by your evil Red Devils yesterday. A bit of irony that pretty boy (a former Red Devil) put Madrid through to the next round. A match-up between those two clubs would have been better in a later round.
Joe Hussein Mama
March 6th, 2013
9:52 am
TaxPayer — “I recall Bush being quick to label an axis of evil and reference Gog and Magog, etc., yet when another country’s leader throws it back in his face, the cons get their panties in a wad. Too funny.”
An excellent observation of the phenomenon of American Exceptionalism.
I read something some months ago that the Chinese have begun referring to those holding the view of American Exceptionalism as “magistrates.” The writer (and I wish I could find the piece I read; I don’t think I bookmarked it) stated that historically, Chinese magistrates or judges have had a very condescending ‘do as I say, not as I do’ attitude toward the citizenry, and that US exceptionalism is viewed as another instance of the same thing by many Chinese.
Steve-USA (I don't have all the answer's, I don't even know all the questions)
March 6th, 2013
9:52 am
Stands – I always admit when I am wrong. Clearly I used a broad brush.
How about: “To bad more people don’t strive to be the highest common denominator instead”
Doggone – PEBCAK? Yes!
Normal, Plain and Simple
March 6th, 2013
9:53 am
Welcome,
As a matter of fact, I spent nearly three tours in Viet Nam. I was hit in my third and sent home early. But when I got out, I Joined the Viet Nam Veterans Against The War Organization and participated in demonstrations all over the country culminating with the GOP Miami Conference in ‘72. A motorcycle wreak and the aggravation of old wounds put a stop to that. I then re-joined the Navy in ‘75 and served my country until ‘91.
How could that be? Well, I was able to separate the unholiness of that war from my love for my country. It, like Iraq, was a war that never should have been fought. If we had refused to give ‘Nam back to the French in ‘46, and let Viet Nam govern itself, there would have been no war…but the myth of the “domino Theory” prevailed at the time.
I also believed, “My country, love it when it’s right, and change it when it’s wrong.”
But nothing was remembered and Iraq happened. History does repeat itself, it seems…
Mick
March 6th, 2013
9:53 am
milton
Don’t forget that jeb bush had katherine harris scrub over 60k eligible african american voters from the polls. Wonder who they wouldve voted for???
Normal, Plain and Simple
March 6th, 2013
9:56 am
…About Hugo’s death…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huPDP5-NfbE
larry
March 6th, 2013
9:56 am
NO MORE BUSHES!!! PLEASE, FOR GOD’S SAKE.
barking frog
March 6th, 2013
9:57 am
everyone in politics wants change which is liberal. I don’t
think anyone wants things to remain the same…
Bosch
March 6th, 2013
9:57 am
Doggone,
Yeah, and I feel the hatred we see with Obama, is not necessarily the person, the man, but the idea if him. His name, his looks, etc. I’ve heard him say in an interview that all the hatred he reads directed towards him, he doesn’t take personally because he understands it isn’t about him, it’s just the idea of him.
appleseed
March 6th, 2013
9:57 am
You see it every day.People on here same as Chavez.Their only way to present themself,to call others names.In this case mostly the president,his wife,the vp or the party.I suppose it gets attention,and makes their day.
Joe Hussein Mama
March 6th, 2013
9:58 am
Steve — ” I always admit when I am wrong. Clearly I used a broad brush.”
No worries, sir.
“How about: “To bad more people don’t strive to be the highest common denominator instead”
I think that’s reasonable.
FWIW, I think it’s a lot harder to slag on a President when you’re referring to him in formal fashion, but that snarky and nasty names just lend themselves to unreasonable criticism. I’m not saying that Presidents should be immune to criticism, but IMO that speaking of them politely *tends* to make one *criticize* more politely.
GT
March 6th, 2013
10:01 am
Jackie Lee would play in that little bar on Devine Street right across from the Five Points Building. Down the hill was Five points.
I would see Hootie Johnson, Alex Hawkins, Bobby Cremins and lots of others in there when he played. I always felt that was one of those Forrest Gump moments when earth shaking things were going on that only years later you could appreciate.
The church is one thing the blacks and the poor whites had in common in the south. Northern politicians didn’t understand that about the region, one of the reasons the Republicans, until Atwater, didn’t win here. As much as these people hated each other they were both were controlled by the church. If you could control the preachers , you could control the vote in the south and they voted as a block with the old confederacy.
barking frog
March 6th, 2013
10:02 am
the freedom to say what we want about the President as
long as we don’t threaten may be unique in all the world.
we should savor it.
Brosephus™ - Comin' straight out of Compton
March 6th, 2013
10:04 am
Bosch
Your 9:46 post and Doggone’s response sheds lots of light onto things that most people don’t realize or choose not to see.
Welcome to the Occupation
March 6th, 2013
10:05 am
Normal : ” I want to believe that Chavez really did want to do the best for his people and in a lot of ways he did…but he was elected the first time and he fixed the rest of the elections he won. ”
No he didn’t. What’s your evidence for that?
The elections were overseen and judged to be perfectly fair (something that can’t even necessarily be said for our own any more).
QE 4 EVAH?
March 6th, 2013
10:06 am
Recon when you are saying the democrats have done nothing for the blacks.Please list what the republicans have done for the blacks.
The GOP promotes individualism not cashing in on your “groupons.”
Amid such rancor, African-Americans might come to realize that the idea of having any politician as a role model is incompatible with accountability, the central tenet of representative democracy. By definition, role models are placed on pedestals and emulated, not criticized or held accountable.
To place policy above rhetoric is not to ask what the first black president is doing for blacks; rather, it is to ask what a Democratic president is doing for the most loyal Democratic constituency — who happen to be African-Americans, and who happen to be in dire need of help. Sadly, when it comes to the Obama presidency and black America, symbols and substance have too often been assumed to be one and the same.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/opinion/sunday/the-price-of-a-black-president.html?ref=todayspaper&pagewanted=all&_r=0
Blacks should stand and deliver not wait for deliverance.
Brosephus™ - Comin' straight out of Compton
March 6th, 2013
10:06 am
Gotta throw out a bit of red meat for the “wealth envy” crowd. Here’s a video that attempts to explain the wealth inequality in America based on research that’s been done. As low key as the video is, I’m surprised it has amost 3 million hits since it was posted last November.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM
Doggone/GA
March 6th, 2013
10:07 am
“all the hatred he reads directed towards him, he doesn’t take personally because he understands it isn’t about him, it’s just the idea of him.”
Smart man. Life is too short to agonize over what cannot be changed. The best we can hope for sometimes is that those kinds of people will have an epiphany some day. And some of them do.
Steve-USA (I don't have all the answer's, I don't even know all the questions)
March 6th, 2013
10:08 am
barking frog – “the freedom to say what we want about the President as long as we don’t threaten may be unique in all the world. we should savor it.”
Stating a negative opinion with some reasons you feel that way is one thing but the negative nicknames like “Obummer” is just laziness and doesn’t really advance ones cause.
JMHO
Jackie
March 6th, 2013
10:08 am
@GT
We seem to have many things in common.
Nate Davis, Alex English, Kevin Joyce, John Roche, Tommy Boswell, George Rogers and Willie Alexander, George Glymph and others from S.C. State and Howard White were all in the area playing softball or basketball in the Fast League at Forest Lakes,
Normal, Plain and Simple
March 6th, 2013
10:09 am
Welcome to the Occupation
March 6th, 2013
10:05 am
What is your evidence that he didn’t influence the elections? We all know that “monitored” elections are not fool proof.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 6th, 2013
10:09 am
Hey Jay !
Here’s your chance !!!
Headline (AJC): “Wanted: Six new DeKalb School Board members”
“Since last week, more than 150 applications have poured in. Application deadline is today.”
Doggone/GA
March 6th, 2013
10:11 am
Bro – “sheds lots of light onto things that most people don’t realize or choose not to see.”
Thanks, and yes that’s the biggest part of the problem. Especially those who choose not to see.
GT
March 6th, 2013
10:13 am
Great fun living there.
Normal, Plain and Simple
March 6th, 2013
10:13 am
COMMON,
Here’s one side of the argument…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rTyjgKjlRc
Bosch
March 6th, 2013
10:14 am
Brosephus,
I think we can learn a lot by looking at traditional definitions, like the idea of a Republic, the people are represented by leaders elected by them gives way to the idea of there are those who are the elite, the “wise ones” who can lead, rule, hence “Republicans” – vs. a democracy, where all are equal, involved, participate in the governing, thus we are all equal or “Democrats.”
Also just the traditional definitions of conservative vs. liberal. Conservatives don’t like change, while liberals want it, and sometimes those roles change. The trick is learning when and how to change and adapt and use it for the greater good, plus base those changes not on emotion, or perceived injustice, but facts.
Doggone/GA
March 6th, 2013
10:18 am
“Also just the traditional definitions of conservative vs. liberal. Conservatives don’t like change, while liberals want it, and sometimes those roles change”
I don’t agree. Sometimes the PEOPLE change roles, but the roles stay the same.
barking frog
March 6th, 2013
10:18 am
Steve-USA
Stating a negative opinion with some reasons you feel that way is one thing but the negative nicknames like “Obummer” is just laziness and doesn’t really advance ones cause.
………………………………………………………………………
freedom of speech will always advance one’s cause….
Jackie
March 6th, 2013
10:18 am
@GT
I still go back to visit friends in the area.
Regnad Kcin
March 6th, 2013
10:18 am
“What is your evidence that he didn’t…”
NPS – you’re too smart to ask someone to prove a negative, aren’t you?
Bosch
March 6th, 2013
10:21 am
Doggone, yes, I agree, and I think the GOP counts on basing policy and legislation on emotion and their own narrow views of what is right for all. Their biggest flaw being that what is right for one, isn’t right for all.
I also think a lot of that has to do with the fact that many GOPers are fundamentally religious. They are so ingrained with their own ideas of right, wrong, and there is no room for maybes. It’s all absolute based, with no room for diversity.
barking frog
March 6th, 2013
10:22 am
Brosephus
your video should be required to be played at the beginning of
every session of Congress and Presidential press conference.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 6th, 2013
10:23 am
“Leaked email from Agriculture Department field officer on impact of budget cuts adds fuel to claims Obama is playing politics by making cuts as painful as possible to win public opinion battle against Republicans.”
Welcome to the Occupation
March 6th, 2013
10:24 am
Normal: “What is your evidence that he didn’t influence the elections? We all know that “monitored” elections are not fool proof.”
Ah, NOW I see.
From the perspective of empire, the burden of proof is always on the other side, never on the side of the empire’s own back yard which is taken naturally as an expression of mature, healthy democracy at work without ever having to prove its own mettle or justify itself.
I gotcha!
Bosch
March 6th, 2013
10:24 am
Doggone @ 10:18- yeah, that’s a better way to look at it.
Doggone/GA
March 6th, 2013
10:25 am
Bosch – in general, I agree. But I think right now, in this time and place, the biggest problem with the Republicans is embodied in “THEY are too stupid to understand our message”
Unless, or until, they come to realize that “THEY” are too SMART to understand their message..they’re going to be in a perpetual state of trying to find weird explanations for what is actually pretty damn obvious.
williebkind
March 6th, 2013
10:25 am
Well POTUS released approximately 5000 illegals into our society. The exact number is not know because every request for information has been delayed or denied. The educated guess of how many illegals in the US rounds out to about 12million. The last argument was that it was impractical to deport that many so the emphasis was to seek out and lock up those with criminal backgroud and behavior. The best estimates that this group could be as many as 34000. Well the King made another decree and now using the sequestration as a reason fill our neighborhoods with criminals. Yep you democrats are doing a great job. I hope “Brosephus™ – Comin’ straight out of Compton”, “stands for decibels” and Jamvet do not get their possessions stolen or their children raped, and especially have one become intoxicated and ram into their new car. It would be really sad….hehe.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 6th, 2013
10:28 am
Gawd forbid that Obama “play politics” with the sequester cuts…. why the Republicans would never do that and certainly they are not in their proposals.
How silly but not surprising given the poster
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 6th, 2013
10:30 am
I hope “Brosephus™ – Comin’ straight out of Compton”, “stands for decibels” and Jamvet do not get their possessions stolen or their children raped,
Over the top and pure stupidity willie.
Bosch
March 6th, 2013
10:30 am
Doggone,
I think we are basically saying the same thing
you are just better at it.
That goes back to what I wrote about Republicans and the idea that there are people who are meant to lead-”we know what we are doing, it works on paper, it’s just that those darn other people and reality get in our way!”
stands for decibels
March 6th, 2013
10:32 am
a[l]most 3 million hits since it was posted last November.
appears to have gone quite viral of late. I saw it over at Digby’s earlier this week, and then I saw Rachel Maddow using those same graphics to illustrate a point last night.
Granny Godzilla
March 6th, 2013
10:35 am
williebkind
are they all heading for your house or are they under alternate, less expensive methods of
being surveilance?
why do you support wasteful spending?
stands for decibels
March 6th, 2013
10:37 am
Well POTUS released approximately 5000 illegals into our society. The exact number is not know
What is “know” is that President Uppity personally unlocked the gate and let these animals out, saying “you FREE now, muthufukkuhz!”
be afraid!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 6th, 2013
10:37 am
Victory For Occupy Philly As Wells Fargo Protesters Acquitted
12 Occupy Philadelphia protesters who staged a sit in at a Wells Fargo bank in Center City Philadelphia were acquitted of charges of conspiracy and defiant trespass for a 2011 protest during the Occupy Wall Street movement.
[...]
As for the protesters even the judge had some nice things to say about them when the trial was completed.
Judge Nina N. Wright Padilla asked all 12 to approach so she could shake their hands.
“I hope you continue your work in a law-abiding way,” said Padilla. “I must say you are the most affable group of defendants I’ve ever come across.”
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 6th, 2013
10:39 am
Well POTUS released approximately 5000 illegals into our society. The exact number is not know because every request for information has been delayed or denied. The educated guess of how many illegals in the US rounds out to about 12million.
Ronald Reagan’s 1986 amnesty says, “What?”
Joe Hussein Mama
March 6th, 2013
10:39 am
williebkind — “The best estimates that this group could be as many as 34000.”
They can smell fear, you know. (giggling)
Oscar
March 6th, 2013
10:40 am
Good morning. See that everything is normal here. Not much new to comment on.
Did Chavez influence elections. Probably didn’t need to. Don’t see any proof.
Sequester. Xuts have to hurt. President playing politics. Comared to what the GOP has been doing, small potatoes.
Freedomof spech. Yes, but at your on risk. There are limitations and also good tste and obligation to treat others with respect. The right to be treated with respect is one of those rights in the ninth, or is it tenth amendment reserved by the people.
stands for decibels
March 6th, 2013
10:41 am
Sequester. Xuts have to hurt
When you think about it, we didn’t really need the letter that sounds like “see”, anyway.
zeke
March 6th, 2013
10:43 am
UGGGH!!!
Oscar
March 6th, 2013
10:45 am
Sorry for thpoor typing. Still having trouble using my laptop.
When I saw the typo, I thought it meant Nuts have to hurt at first. Cuts hurt also.
Normal, Plain and Simple
March 6th, 2013
10:45 am
COMMON,
I offered another opinion at 1013…
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March 6th, 2013
10:46 am
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stands for decibels
March 6th, 2013
10:46 am
But Kamchak, that story out of Philadelphia, it can’t be right, everyone knows that OWSers are violent rapey rapists (dead Brietbart sez so!) who routinely poop on the po-po.
Oscar
March 6th, 2013
10:48 am
Forgot to comment on illegals. So what do you want to do with 12 or 34 million illegals. Send them bak to Enland and Germany where they came from. Con’t think we have the power to do that, will have to live wth the white eyes.
Sitting Bull
Oscar
March 6th, 2013
10:52 am
Stands = don’t think owlers commit legimate rapes. Illegals and minorities do that.
Oscar
March 6th, 2013
10:53 am
Zeke – Goof to see another American Indian on the board.
williebkind
March 6th, 2013
10:54 am
“Over the top and pure stupidity willie.”
Yeah, until you kid gets raped or hurt by a criminal then it becomes a GOP problem right.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 6th, 2013
10:56 am
dB
What chaps my ass most about that story is they were protesting my bank. I opened that account with The First National Bank of Atlanta (anyone here remember Tillie the all-time teller?), not Wells Fargo.
One day in the not so distant future, all of us will have an account at one institution — THE BANK.