Jeb Bush has a principled stand on immigration. Several, in fact.
Last summer, Jeb Bush was in favor of offering illegal immigrants a path to citizenship. As he told Charlie Rose:
“You have to deal with this issue. You can’t ignore it, and so either a path to citizenship, which I would support — and that does put me probably out of the mainstream of most conservatives — or a path to legalization, a path to residency of some kind.”
In his new book, “Immigration Wars: Forging an American Solution”, Bush comes out in stalwart opposition to citizenship.
“It is absolutely vital to the integrity of our immigration system that actions have consequences — in this case, that those who violated the law can remain but cannot obtain the cherished fruits of citizenship. To do otherwise would signal once again that people who circumvent the system can still obtain the full benefits of American citizenship.”
Today on “Morning Joe”, Bush was back to his initial position. Kind of … He repeatedly stressed that the book was written last year, as if something had happened recently to alter what in the book seems to be a strong, principle-based opposition to a path to citizenship. He also argued that a path to legalization would not create a magnet for future illegal immigration, while a path to citizenship somehow would.
“If you don’t have a difference between a path to citizenship or a path to legalization, you’re going to create a magnet going forward for more illegal immigration. So going forward — we wrote this last year — going forward, if there is a difference, if you can craft that in law where you can have a path to citizenship where there isn’t an incentive for people to come illegally, I’m for it. I don’t have a problem with that.”
A couple of points:
1.) The Bush flip-flop-flip has angered veterans of Mitt Romney’s campaign, which last year felt stranded on unpopular ground with the candidate’s “self-deportation” approach.
“Where the hell was this Jeb Bush during the campaign?” one advisor told the Miami Herald. “He spent all this time criticizing Romney and it turns out he has basically the same position. So he wants people to go back to their country and apply for citizenship? Well, that’s self deportation. We got creamed for talking about that. And now Jeb is saying the same thing.”
2.) The distinction that Bush attempts to draw between legalization and citizenship in fact has little real consequence. Those who have immigrated here illegally were drawn by jobs, the chance to escape Third World living conditions or greater opportunity for their children. Getting U.S. citizenship was way, way down on their list. A nice possibility, maybe, but hardly a deciding factor.
The notion that a path to legalization would be a less powerful magnet than a path to citizenship makes no sense, and Bush is smart enough to know it. But when you’re caught tacking to the right when the political winds are blowing left, and when you have ambitions of becoming the third consecutive Republican president named Bush, you have to scramble a bit.
– Jay Bookman
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Brosephus™
March 8th, 2013
1:31 pm
Keep
They get tossed like beads at Mardi Gras.
barking frog
March 8th, 2013
1:31 pm
Thulsa Doom
Hot damn. That Hank Johnson retarded Congressman video was nothing short of hilarious. Be careful though. That may get you in trouble with the other libs.
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not if they listen closely…
Thulsa Doom
March 8th, 2013
1:32 pm
Stevie Ray,
The DD 216? Its an ointment that kills off little internet sand fleas. Not to be confused with the DD-214 which is military discharge papers.
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 8th, 2013
1:32 pm
…which is shaped like a mushroom from the seafloor up…
frog, are you trying to trick me into thinking coconuts migrate?
Fortunately the only island upon which I was ever stationed – Great Britain – seemed pretty stable!
Doggone/GA
March 8th, 2013
1:33 pm
“I understand hooked on phonics is an exceptional program”
You couldn’t prove it to me. I’ve seen WAY too many people come out of that program who can’t spell worth a damn.
Regnad Kcin
March 8th, 2013
1:34 pm
Mr. Doom – I feel most of our communication has been on a reasonably respectful level. In that spirit of sharing, I offer you this advice, which, of course, you are not obliged to take.
The next time you feel threatened on this blog, instead of posting a “you stupid libs” kind of response, try something like, “It doesn’t make sense because…” or “what you fail to consider is” or even that’s pretty stupid because…”
You’ll find posters will consider your arguments more carefully, and try to engage you on a more non-hostile level.
Of course, if you post here because you enjoy flame, carry on!
We now return you to ypur previously scheduled chaos…
barking frog
March 8th, 2013
1:37 pm
JamVet
Fortunately the only island upon which I was ever stationed – Great Britain – seemed pretty stable!
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well, the Germans tried to rectify that with buzz bombs, and
are trying again with the euro but no success so far….
Brosephus™
March 8th, 2013
1:37 pm
Doom
Even though I said I was done with the whole thing, I was wrong in saying that you said nobody. Obviously you didn’t read the link because Akin got RSCC support and support from major players in the GOP. Not much is relative and hard to quantify. So, you say, think, or do whatever you wish. I’m done with it. You do understand what that means, don’t you?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 8th, 2013
1:38 pm
Ahhh, here comes Senior Spam with the latest in Fox spam. Somehow, don’t you believe that if the WH had not cancelled tours, the complaint from the conned would be “WH is still giving tours.”
Brosephus™
March 8th, 2013
1:39 pm
Stevie Ray
Stick to President Trillions. Your career will last much longer.
barking frog
March 8th, 2013
1:40 pm
Doggone/GA
You couldn’t prove it to me. I’ve seen WAY too many people come out of that program who can’t spell worth a damn.
………………………………………………
I know you are not much into sarcasm, humorous or not, but even
if unintentional, this is excellent.
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 8th, 2013
1:42 pm
frog, also Elvis Presley.
“All Shook Up” was his first UK #1 single, remaining there for seven weeks.
barking frog
March 8th, 2013
1:43 pm
JamVet
frog, are you trying to trick me into thinking coconuts migrate?
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yes, but mostly illegally…
Thulsa Doom
March 8th, 2013
1:44 pm
Regnad,
There are certainly libs on here that I’ve had quite rational conversations with and still do. I tried once many months ago to be civil to the worst of the libs on here and I gave him several weeks to reciprocate in a civil manner. He did not and hence I had to take the gloves off regarding him and a few others. I admit I do my share of flaming here but if someone from the lib side addresses me in a civil manner I usually respond in a likewise civil manner. They make their own bed. What I find amusing is that they cheer on some of their most offensive posters and then cry foul when a con like me plays hardball with them. They love to dish it out. They just can’t take it is all.
barking frog
March 8th, 2013
1:45 pm
JamVet
frog, also Elvis Presley.
“All Shook Up” was his first UK #1 single, remaining there for seven weeks
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the King vibrated the Queen…..
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 8th, 2013
1:48 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKtzJb6guoo
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 8th, 2013
1:49 pm
frog, no coconut is illegal!
(1:27 mark in the video.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzE227yE1hk
Doggone/GA
March 8th, 2013
1:50 pm
“I know you are not much into sarcasm, humorous or not, but even
if unintentional, this is excellent”
I’ll have to take your word for it. I never went through that program. I learned the old fashioned way.
Thulsa Doom
March 8th, 2013
1:50 pm
“Even though I said I was done with the whole thing, I was wrong in saying that you said nobody.”
Not a big deal.
“Obviously you didn’t read the link because Akin got RSCC support and support from major players in the GOP.”
My apology but I either didn’t see the post or didn’t see the link in it. My only point was that for the most part the fool didn’t get much support. He got some but not much. Anyway its beating a dead horse and like you I’m done with it.
BTW I’ve come back and told Jay 2-3 times in the past that I was in error after thinking about different pieces he has written. He’s been very gracious about it and I guess he appreciates it when he can convince someone on the other side of the aisle.
Welcome to the Occupation
March 8th, 2013
1:54 pm
Keep, here’s a pretty good write-up on the Juan Williams affair. http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnmcquaid/2013/03/08/a-juan-williams-punditry-machine-breakdown/
Thulsa Doom
March 8th, 2013
1:57 pm
Barking frog,
I saw a discovery channel special on the island of Bermuda. If ever you see an island that literally does look like it could tip over it would be Bermuda. From the bottom of the ocean to the island on top it looks sort of like a mushroom. The stalk about halfway up from the ocean looks precariously thin and it literally makes it look like the ocean currents are eroding away the stalk to where the island will one day sink straight back into the ocean. But I’m guessing that even that stalk was miles wide and that it would probably be tens of thousands of years if ever before it eroded away if ever.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 8th, 2013
2:00 pm
Welcome, interesting piece. Contributing to the dumbing down of real thinking.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 8th, 2013
2:08 pm
So the message from the markets is by no means a happy one. What the markets are clearly saying, however, is that the fears and prejudices that have dominated Washington discussion for years are entirely misguided. And they’re also telling us that the people who have been feeding those fears and peddling those prejudices don’t have a clue about how the economy actually works.
Jackie
March 8th, 2013
2:11 pm
ACORN antagonist is back in the news, in a very negative way.
http://news.yahoo.com/one-james-okeefes-acorn-videos-costing-him-100-221716337.html
Thulsa Doom
March 8th, 2013
2:16 pm
What the markets are really saying is that with a 2% yield on the 10 year Treasury note that there really is no where else for money to go but into the stock market. And with 3.4 trillion added to the money supply ever since Bernie started his QE program that money has to go somewhere and that somewhere is equities rather than 2% yielding fixed income. Kooks, the stock market, and economics. They just don’t mix.
williebkind
March 8th, 2013
2:16 pm
“Stick to President Trillions. Your career will last much longer.”
Sounds like a federal employee.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 8th, 2013
2:21 pm
Matthew Dowd, a chief strategist for George W. Bush’s reelection, slammed CPAC (scheduled to kick off in mid-March) for inviting the one-time vice presidential candidate to the popular conference, while passing over New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R).
“CPAC, to me, has totally diminished its credibility as an organization,” Dowd said. “And you invite Sarah Palin, who wasn’t competent enough to keep a Fox News contract? But she’s invited to a CPAC meeting?”
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 8th, 2013
2:23 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcEKPAKuvgU
http://tinyurl.com/azr67t6
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 8th, 2013
2:26 pm
Kam, your fanclub president is attempting to demand your attention.
barking frog
March 8th, 2013
2:28 pm
Thulsa Doom
What the markets are really saying is that with a 2% yield on the 10 year Treasury note that there really is no where else for money to go but into the stock market
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I agree, and the production and valuation of companies had nothing
to do with the rise…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 8th, 2013
2:30 pm
Keep
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
stands for decibels
March 8th, 2013
2:31 pm
From the bottom of the ocean to the island on top it looks sort of like a mushroom.
That’s actually fascinating, although I haven’t been able to find anything online that gives me such a view. Here’s the best I could manage…
http://www.coexploration.org/bbsr/coral/html/body_reef_formation.htm
(see the fourth image down) and it doesn’t look all that perilous, but maybe the scale is deceiving.
Been ages since I was there that one time–I’d love to go back. Maybe one day.
Steve-USA (I don't have all the answer's, I don't even know all the questions)
March 8th, 2013
2:41 pm
Thulsa Doom@2:16
Bingo. Nice post.
Thulsa Doom
March 8th, 2013
2:42 pm
stands for decibels,
You’re looking at the reefs. I’m talking about the island itself. I just know that on the NG special that it looked pretty precarious although the program itself never said anything of the sort. You couldn’t really tell how it was scale wise either since it was just a drawing or artists rendering of what it looked like.
Welcome to the Occupation
March 8th, 2013
2:44 pm
No, on second thought I think this president should get carte blanche on secret assassinations on US soil because his wife’s got great bangs and she’s really fun to watch do a dance move.
Thulsa Doom
March 8th, 2013
2:44 pm
Barking Frog,
I’m certain profitability has something to do with the market rise also. Companies have gotten much leaner, not spending as much on training and hiring which are cash drains, etc. A leaner company means a fatter bottom line.
The market rise certaintly isn’t due to economic fundamentals with a half of one percent economic growth last quarter. I think we can all agree on that.
Thulsa Doom
March 8th, 2013
2:47 pm
Kreep,
Fan club president? Not quite. I just throw him a bone once in awhile when he is wallowing in ignorance. It can’t hurt to try and educate him just a wee bit.
stands for decibels
March 8th, 2013
2:47 pm
it looked pretty precarious
Well, I’m pretty sure it didn’t shake as we tooled around on that mighty 50cc motorbike we’d rented, but maybe it’s changed since then.
Thulsa Doom
March 8th, 2013
2:51 pm
Steve- USA,
Just doing my part to help educate the kooks. Despite the hard economic data of .5 % economic growth last qtr some of the kooks actually think things are great because of the market rise. The kook mind can’t differentiate the difference between stock market performance and the economy. Bless their hearts.
barking frog
March 8th, 2013
2:51 pm
stands 2:47
i’m about 30 miles from Tampa and the 50cc scooters are
everywhere, sales price 700-800, 50-100 mpg, no insurance
required. the electric models do not require a drivers license..
Thulsa Doom
March 8th, 2013
2:53 pm
“Well, I’m pretty sure it didn’t shake as we tooled around on that mighty 50cc motorbike we’d rented, but maybe it’s changed since then.”
Stands,
Just don’t get in a big SUV. It might start leaning just a bit to one side. kd
Green Eggs and Spam
March 8th, 2013
2:58 pm
Thulsa Doom
November 7th, 2012
5:01 pm
The Dow down 312??? That’s just their way of celebrating the next 4 years of Obama.
Green Eggs and Spam
March 8th, 2013
3:02 pm
Thulsa Doom
June 14th, 2012
3:51 pm
This is awesome news. Looks like people who understand the economy and business know that if O is re-elected that it means the imminent collapse of the nation. More people like Adelson need to step up to the plate. Gonna take a lot of money to counter the news media which is in O’s back pocket. Get it done and open up that checkbook some more Mr. Adelson!
Thulsa Doom
March 8th, 2013
3:03 pm
Green eggs,
Your point? The market goes up and down. Any one day movement up or down isn’t a long term indicator of the economy or of the market in general. But do we like to razz each other over one day rises or drops? You bet.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 8th, 2013
3:05 pm
Ruh, roh.
Seems as if someone bookmarked some predictions.
Thulsa Doom
March 8th, 2013
3:05 pm
Green Eggs,
What’s your point. The economy grew at a mere .5% last quarter which pretty much validates what I said.
Thulsa Doom
March 8th, 2013
3:07 pm
Ruh, roh.
Seems as if some predictions came true- like .5 % economic growth last qtr. Hee hee hee.
Green Eggs and Spam
March 8th, 2013
3:08 pm
Jm
November 9th, 2012
12:12 pm
Kam, the stock market rallied in anticipation over four years for the departure of Obama
Now that he’s not leaving, we may give a big chunk back
stands for decibels
March 8th, 2013
3:08 pm
By the by, if memory serves, on Bermuda they are extremely stingy in handing out car/truck registrations–basically you might get one per household. the little bike was fine and dandy on a flat, small island; nobody was going more than about 20-25 mph anyway.
i’m about 30 miles from Tampa and the 50cc scooters are
everywhere, sales price 700-800, 50-100 mpg, no insurance
required.
I’d vastly prefer a used name-brand if I were going to go the 50cc route, since you can count on being able to get parts for (say) a Yamaha Zuma, where as a Generic Chinese Crap, not so much.
but if you look at such a bike as disposable, and if you can coax a few years out of it before tossing it on the scrap heap…
Thulsa Doom
March 8th, 2013
3:08 pm
Looks like Green eggs needs to revisit my 2:16 again to get his tutorial on specifically why the market is up. Hee hee hee.
barking frog
March 8th, 2013
3:11 pm
stands
generic Chinese crap parts are readily available on the
internet or locally….much has changed
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 8th, 2013
3:14 pm
Kam, no matter how shunned, your club president keeps on singing
Regnad Kcin
March 8th, 2013
3:15 pm
thanks for the memories, GH$S…good times…good times…
stands for decibels
March 8th, 2013
3:16 pm
generic Chinese crap parts are readily available on the
internet or locally…
That wouldn’t surprise me, and as soon as I posted that I realized I was probably knee-jerking based on some very old information.
They’re probably not nearly as crappy as they used to be, too.
Joe
March 8th, 2013
3:16 pm
Bush is “evolving” like Obama has on gay rights and immigration…..
josef
March 8th, 2013
3:20 pm
So, what’s the issue of the day?
barking frog
March 8th, 2013
3:20 pm
stands
still pretty crappy, I wouldn’t trade a Honda for one, but
my son bought one and put 6000 miles on it in 6 months
and it required another engine and rear drive but bought it
for 400 and drove another 3000mi and sold it for 400. he
was not big on maintenance either….the belt drive is ingenious..
Doggone/GA
March 8th, 2013
3:20 pm
“Bush is “evolving” like Obama has on gay rights and immigration”
More like evolving, then devolving, then evolving. When Obama goes back to his previous opinion, THEN your comparison will be valid. Now? It isn’t.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 8th, 2013
3:20 pm
Stand, regarding your island comment. Take a look at this, especially the first comments.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 8th, 2013
3:21 pm
Keep
One day, one of them will discover: http://www.customink.com/ and then they will have matching t-shirts.
Doggone/GA
March 8th, 2013
3:21 pm
“So, what’s the issue of the day?”
Whatever you want it to be!
stands for decibels
March 8th, 2013
3:25 pm
the belt drive is ingenious..
CVT powertrains have been around forever, they’re pretty refined nowadays (you see ‘em in cars, even.)
That Zuma is pretty cool, for a 50cc scoot, and there are kitting-out possibilities galore.
Otherwise I confess to being sorely disappointed in modern scooter design for the most part–I keep wanting to like them, but my inner Italian metal-bodied purist is never happy with what I see. Even when they appear to be trying to retain a classic look, they don’t quite get it right.
That Black Guy
March 8th, 2013
3:25 pm
I wasn’t suggesting that the island of Guam would literally tip over, I was using a metaphor to say that … the addition of 8,000 Marines and their dependents—an additional 80,000 people during peak construction on the tiny island with a population of 180,000—could be a tipping point which could adversely affect the island’s fragile ecosystem and could overburden its overstressed infrastructure.”
I believe him, rather than concluding that he does not even have a second grade understanding of earth sciences…
__________________________________
Honestly, what would you expect him to say after the fact? Did he make that clarification during the hearing? No.
Smart people sometimes say dumb things. That’s all that was. Just like the female congressperson who asked if they could send the Mars rover to the flag that Armstrong planted when he was there.
Also, IMO, Doomys statement was not rece-baiting.
But, I have asked this question, and NEVER received a response from anyone left of center.
Why do comments from politicians on the left require context, further explaination and such, but comments from the right are not given equal treatment?
“You didn’t build that” – This is what Obama was actually saying, look at the rest of the speech, what was the context?
“Guam may tip over and capsize” – This is what Hank was actually saying, look at the rest of the speech, what was the context?
“I like being able to fire people” (?) – See Romney is a heartless SOB. (Although he was CLEARLY talking about severing ties with companies that don’t perform)
“Deficts don’t matter” – See, repubs only worry about deficts when a ni***r is in office. (Although he was CLEARLY talking about deficts not mattering to the voting public at election time (during the time he said it))
Why does one get the microscope treatment and the other is taken at face value. They are all politicians, so that means they are all imperfect.
/off soapbox
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 8th, 2013
3:26 pm
SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS!
stands for decibels
March 8th, 2013
3:27 pm
Keep Up, nice find…
I think it would be possible to cut it. Maybe that is what happened to Atlantis many years ago. I also think Curt Bowen is either of the FBI, CIA, secret service or something of that nature and he is trying to cover up the security leak. OORRRR he wants to do it himself and get all the glory.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 8th, 2013
3:28 pm
Kam, I think they have. They ordered these.
Doggone/GA
March 8th, 2013
3:28 pm
“Why do comments from politicians on the left require context, further explaination and such, but comments from the right are not given equal treatment?”
You are at liberty to post the context anytime you think it’s needed. But I’d suggest making sure it DOES provide context that clarifies. Because if it doesn’t – and it seem like quite often it doesn’t – you ARE going to get the laughs it deserves.
Green Eggs and Spam
March 8th, 2013
3:29 pm
Thulsa Doom
October 1st, 2012
7:38 pm
Another way of looking at it is that Wall St. has zero faith in the economy under Obama.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 8th, 2013
3:29 pm
(Although he was CLEARLY talking about deficts not mattering to the voting public at election time (during the time he said it))
But that didn’t stop writers at AmSpec and Weekly Standard from speaking in economic terms.
That Black Guy
March 8th, 2013
3:30 pm
What is a DD-216? Is that some sort of sexual enhancement product?
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Doom did type “DD-214″
Jerome Horwitz
March 8th, 2013
3:31 pm
And the Blues go down in flames on Sunday. Glory Glory
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 8th, 2013
3:32 pm
Global warming is epic, long-term study says
CNN) — Global warming has propelled Earth’s climate from one of its coldest decades since the last ice age to one of its hottest — in just one century.
A heat spike like this has never happened before, at least not in the last 11,300 years, said climatologist Shaun Marcott, who worked on a new study on global temperatures going back that far.
“If any period in time had a sustained temperature change similar to what we have today, we would have certainly seen that in our record,” he said. It is a good indicator of just how fast man-made climate change has progressed.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/08/world/world-climate-change/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 8th, 2013
3:33 pm
Jerome
We’ll see.
Thulsa Doom
March 8th, 2013
3:39 pm
“Now that he’s not leaving, we may give a big chunk back”- Jm
Operative word of his being “may”.
Again. Refer to the fact that 3.4 trillion in new money has flooded in as a result of QE and the fact that 10 year t-notes are at a 2% yield. We’ll get your learned right eventually.
appleseed
March 8th, 2013
3:39 pm
China is an island.Guam has no snakes.And Thulsa needs no help.
Jerome Horwitz
March 8th, 2013
3:39 pm
Glad you caught that Kam. Hope for a good game decided on the pitch and not by the officials.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 8th, 2013
3:41 pm
Jerome
Yeah, I second that.
Regnad Kcin
March 8th, 2013
3:48 pm
“Why do comments from politicians on the left require context, further explaination and such, but comments from the right are not given equal treatment?”
Perhaps you are correct, TBG.
You give some good examples of the right taking quotes out of context – do you have examples of the left doing the same?
Thanks.
That Black Guy
March 8th, 2013
3:52 pm
Doggone/GA
March 8th, 2013
3:28 pm
You are at liberty to post the context anytime you think it’s needed. But I’d suggest making sure it DOES provide context that clarifies. Because if it doesn’t – and it seem like quite often it doesn’t – you ARE going to get the laughs it deserves.
_______________________________
That’s true, but for the most part, I tend to lurk in the background.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 8th, 2013
3:54 pm
Regnad & TBG, I disagree with TBG’s assertion that context is only required by the “left”. But let’s be clear. I think the Romney campaign was the only one using only the words of Obama quoting McCain to make it seem that McCains words were actually Obama’s and continued to use that throughout their campaign without retraction even though it was pointed out that it was Obama saying “McCain said…..”.
That Black Guy
March 8th, 2013
3:55 pm
Regnad Kcin
March 8th, 2013
3:48 pm
“Why do comments from politicians on the left require context, further explaination and such, but comments from the right are not given equal treatment?”
Perhaps you are correct, TBG.
You give some good examples of the right taking quotes out of context – do you have examples of the left doing the same?
_______________________________________
#’s 3 and 4.
Regnad Kcin
March 8th, 2013
3:59 pm
“#’s 3 and 4.”
My bad…
You are, of course, correct…
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 8th, 2013
4:04 pm
I like being able to fire people” (?) – See Romney is a heartless SOB. (Although he was CLEARLY talking about severing ties with companies that don’t perform)
Actually no. He talked of firing “someone”. Now I know “corporations are people too my friend” but someone is not just “companies”, it can be real individual people. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57355212-503544/mitt-romney-i-like-being-able-to-fire-people-for-bad-service
He may have said it in regards to healthcare but in fact, given his history at Bain, it fit the overall narrative of firing people. It was not a misrepresentation in that regard.
FWIW.
barking frog
March 8th, 2013
4:06 pm
AJC Sports
Richt says discipline for tight end being ‘handled internally’
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 8th, 2013
4:10 pm
In another sign of the growing political support for health reform — or the sense that opposing its most popular elements has become politically perilous — a group of top House Republicans have written a letter to President Obama asking him to preserve a temporary program included in the law that provides health care coverage to people with pre-existing conditions.
The so-called Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Plan (PCIP) was designed as a bridge to the exchanges for families and individuals who don’t have an offer of coverage from an employer and cannot find insurance in the individual market. The $5 billion program, which covers only sick people is incredibly costly, and will soon stop processing new applicants.
Republicans however, are incensed, and are demanding that the White House shift funds from prevention or comparative effectiveness research to keep the PCIP running.
Do not pay attention to the GOP behind the curtains.
josef
March 8th, 2013
4:11 pm
TBG
I agree. It’s just like when Palin said (and YES, I know…but we’re talking about what made the rounds) that she could see Alaska from her front porch. Half of the ditzies hereabouts smirking had no idea that the US and Russia share a common border? How do I know that? I asked well away from the topic when we were talking about border security, and sure enough, lots answered with Canada and Mexico but only three of some 10 answered with Russia….
I love a good swipe, particularly one involving a public person who’s supposed to be able to make a bit of sense, but let’s do keep it in context…
josef
March 8th, 2013
4:16 pm
muzak…gone upstairs…
Welcome to the Occupation
March 8th, 2013
4:17 pm
Hey Thulsa, why are the billionaires and American capitalists waging a vicious class war against the 99%? Just curious, and thought you might have some insight on it. Feel free to explain at length.
Brosephus™ - Mobile and Multitasking
March 8th, 2013
4:17 pm
All politicians say stupid stuff that has to be clarified. It is no more of a trait of the left as it is for the right. Previous generations of politicians escaped the scrutiny because of a slower media. Today’s politicians don’t have that luxury.
josef
Palin wasn’t the one who said that. That quote came from Tina Fey. Palin talked about Putin rearing his head over Alaska.
That Black Guy
March 8th, 2013
4:20 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 8th, 2013
4:04 pm
I like being able to fire people” (?) – See Romney is a heartless SOB. (Although he was CLEARLY talking about severing ties with companies that don’t perform)
Actually no. He talked of firing “someone”. – I stand corrected. You are right.
He may have said it in regards to healthcare but in fact, given his history at Bain, it fit the overall narrative of firing people. It was not a misrepresentation in that regard.
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Although I didn’t/don’t support Romney, I am willing to accept his explaination of what he meant.
“I like being able to fire people who provide services to me,” Romney said at a Monday breakfast in New Hampshire, when talking about health care. “You know, if someone doesn’t give me a good service that I need, I want to say, ‘I’m going to go get someone else to provide that service to me.’”
In the remarks, about his belief in providing people with options, Romney — who in Massachusetts enacted an individual health care mandate while governor — spoke about the need to incentivize insurance companies.
“I want individuals to have their own insurance. That means the insurance company will have an incentive to keep you healthy. It also means if you don’t like what they do, you can fire them,” he said.
But that’s just the Libra in me.
That Black Guy
March 8th, 2013
4:23 pm
josef
March 8th, 2013
4:11 pm
TBG
I agree. It’s just like when Palin said (and YES, I know…but we’re talking about what made the rounds) that she could see Alaska from her front porch. Half of the ditzies hereabouts smirking had no idea that the US and Russia share a common border? How do I know that? I asked well away from the topic when we were talking about border security, and sure enough, lots answered with Canada and Mexico but only three of some 10 answered with Russia….
I love a good swipe, particularly one involving a public person who’s supposed to be able to make a bit of sense, but let’s do keep it in context…
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The really funny part is that Palin didn’t say that, Tina Fey from SNL did.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 8th, 2013
4:27 pm
TBG, you may accept what you want. That’s your right.
But the words are used, in my opinion, not because that was exactly what he said but because they succinctly recapped his attitude toward firing people and his treatment of them. There is an underlying truth. That cannot be said of the distortion of Obama’s “you didn’t build that”. In the larger context of Romney’s actions in life, the words appear very accurate.
josef
March 8th, 2013
4:40 pm
BRO, TBG
I know, that’s why I said, “yeah, I know… ” : -)
Brosephus™ - Mobile and Multitasking
March 8th, 2013
4:50 pm
That Black Guy
March 8th, 2013
4:53 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 8th, 2013
4:27 pm
TBG, you may accept what you want. That’s your right. But the words are used, in my opinion, not because that was exactly what he said but because they succinctly recapped his attitude toward firing people and his treatment of them. There is an underlying truth. That cannot be said of the distortion of Obama’s “you didn’t build that”. In the larger context of Romney’s actions in life, the words appear very accurate.
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Keep, I see what you are saying. I didn’t really think of it that way. I was just thinking of it from the perspective of *No matter what Romney does/says, the left will label him as “evil”*
Even his wife’s MS was fodder for snark and jokes.
Kind of the way I look at the right when it comes to Obama.
That Black Guy
March 8th, 2013
4:54 pm
Bro, you might need to add a scarlet “W” to your wardrobe as well.
Mr Right
March 9th, 2013
4:07 pm
Jeb Bush has a principled stand on immigration. Several, in fact.
Yea Jay, a little like Obama’s stand on queers, several in fact!