Jeb Bush has a principled stand on immigration. Several, in fact.
Last summer, Jeb Bush was in favor of offering illegal immigrants a path to citizenship. As he told Charlie Rose:
“You have to deal with this issue. You can’t ignore it, and so either a path to citizenship, which I would support — and that does put me probably out of the mainstream of most conservatives — or a path to legalization, a path to residency of some kind.”
In his new book, “Immigration Wars: Forging an American Solution”, Bush comes out in stalwart opposition to citizenship.
“It is absolutely vital to the integrity of our immigration system that actions have consequences — in this case, that those who violated the law can remain but cannot obtain the cherished fruits of citizenship. To do otherwise would signal once again that people who circumvent the system can still obtain the full benefits of American citizenship.”
Today on “Morning Joe”, Bush was back to his initial position. Kind of … He repeatedly stressed that the book was written last year, as if something had happened recently to alter what in the book seems to be a strong, principle-based opposition to a path to citizenship. He also argued that a path to legalization would not create a magnet for future illegal immigration, while a path to citizenship somehow would.
“If you don’t have a difference between a path to citizenship or a path to legalization, you’re going to create a magnet going forward for more illegal immigration. So going forward — we wrote this last year — going forward, if there is a difference, if you can craft that in law where you can have a path to citizenship where there isn’t an incentive for people to come illegally, I’m for it. I don’t have a problem with that.”
A couple of points:
1.) The Bush flip-flop-flip has angered veterans of Mitt Romney’s campaign, which last year felt stranded on unpopular ground with the candidate’s “self-deportation” approach.
“Where the hell was this Jeb Bush during the campaign?” one advisor told the Miami Herald. “He spent all this time criticizing Romney and it turns out he has basically the same position. So he wants people to go back to their country and apply for citizenship? Well, that’s self deportation. We got creamed for talking about that. And now Jeb is saying the same thing.”
2.) The distinction that Bush attempts to draw between legalization and citizenship in fact has little real consequence. Those who have immigrated here illegally were drawn by jobs, the chance to escape Third World living conditions or greater opportunity for their children. Getting U.S. citizenship was way, way down on their list. A nice possibility, maybe, but hardly a deciding factor.
The notion that a path to legalization would be a less powerful magnet than a path to citizenship makes no sense, and Bush is smart enough to know it. But when you’re caught tacking to the right when the political winds are blowing left, and when you have ambitions of becoming the third consecutive Republican president named Bush, you have to scramble a bit.
– Jay Bookman
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indigo
March 8th, 2013
8:32 am
Stevie Ray – 7:57
So, what’s going on with our NRA dominated Tea Party politicians?
They just passed a bill allowing even more guns on the streets.
YES THEY CAN put even more money in the pockets of their gun manufacturing corporate sponsors.
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/state-regional-govt-politics/house-says-yes-to-expanded-gun-rights/nWkhT/
Stevie Ray
March 8th, 2013
8:32 am
DOWNINALBANY
Ed Schultz is the John Gibson (or Rush Limbaugh wannabe) for the left. I can’t listen to any of them….
“The bottom line is that Republican bill makes the sequester easier to live with, and the White House doesn’t want the sequester to be easier to live with. The point of these poorly constructed spending cuts, in the White House’s view, is that they’re hard to live with, and that forces both sides to compromise. Making the sequester a bit better makes it much harder to replace.”
DannyX
March 8th, 2013
8:36 am
“U.S. adds 236,000 jobs in February; unemployment rate falls to 7.7%, government says.”
Spin machine is going to need a high gear today, I can’t wait, should be a lot of fun.
Stevie Ray
March 8th, 2013
8:36 am
indigo
March 8th, 2013
8:32 am
These TeaParty idiots have gotten under my skin since they put on those stupid outfits. I hate guns but anyone who objects to some additional (wouldn’t have prevented school shootings) measures for the sake of the rest of us lives in another reality I will never understand..
Biparisanship is defined by me by the common disrespect for our money. The Tea Party is hurting more than helping.
USinUK ... rainy Friday and I'm cranky
March 8th, 2013
8:37 am
Oh, HELL yeah!! Way to go, jobs report!!!
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-february-jobs-report-2013-3
The number is out, and it’s a big numbers!
236K new jobs came in WAY ahead of expectations of 165K.
Unemployment fell to 7.7%, down from 7.9%.
This is a GREAT number.
Private payrolls jumped 246K.
Gale
March 8th, 2013
8:38 am
Good morning, Normal. How is the knee?
DannyX
March 8th, 2013
8:39 am
“236K new jobs came in WAY ahead of expectations of 165K.”
BENGHAZI!!!
Stevie Ray
March 8th, 2013
8:39 am
DannyX
March 8th, 2013
8:36 am
Agreed…but the childlike chatter about the sequester will still dominate press. The unemployment numbers and related attacks and defense are getting as old as Jeb is on this forum..
USinUK ... rainy Friday and I'm cranky
March 8th, 2013
8:39 am
“Employment at private service-providers jumped 179,000 last month, today’s report showed. Construction companies added 48,000 workers, and retailers took on 23,700 employees.
A recovery in house prices and a need to increase the supply of homes for sale has stirred construction activity and benefited home-improvement retailers. ”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-08/payrolls-in-u-s-rose-more-than-forecast-jobless-rate-at-7-7-.html
stands for decibels
March 8th, 2013
8:40 am
John Ellis “Jeb” Bush
I am very close to publicly proclaiming that I will not humor this aristocrat by going along with what is clearly a lame attempt to appear “jes’ folks-y”, and never referring to him by this stupid nickname.
But in the meantime, I’ll try to just make a habit of using his full name and hoping others might follow suit.
USinUK ... rainy Friday and I'm cranky
March 8th, 2013
8:41 am
DannyX – 8:39 – gedsundheit (or something spelled along those lines)
USinUK ... rainy Friday and I'm cranky
March 8th, 2013
8:42 am
suck it, all you ODS sufferers!!
stands for decibels
March 8th, 2013
8:42 am
Unemployment fell to 7.7%, down from 7.9%.
This is a GREAT number.
Private payrolls jumped 246K.
Obviously we need some austerity now because this breakneck jobs growth is going to put horrific inflationary pressure on our economy and we’ll be using wheelbarrows to carry our currency around a la the pre-Hitler Krautz.
Stevie Ray
March 8th, 2013
8:42 am
USinUK … rainy Friday and I’m cranky
March 8th, 2013
8:37 am
Good news for sure. I’m not getting excited until the other number reflecting underemployed and those out of labor market is under 10…I’m really worried that the market is going to endure a significant downward adjustment this year. It’s close to that time….That will suck….
Stevie Ray
March 8th, 2013
8:45 am
stands for decibels
March 8th, 2013
8:40 am
President Jeb…sounds too much like President Jed Clampett… I have fun challenging the guy in the hot seat today, but President Jeb? Priceless..
Gale
March 8th, 2013
8:46 am
Retail and construction jobs still seem temporary to me. Yes, it means confidence is up and people are buying. But major corps are still hanging onto money. We need more jobs across the board.
Granny Godzilla
March 8th, 2013
8:46 am
http://causes.msn.com/international_womens_day/?section=gallerylong_4_1#section=gallerylong_4_1
Buzz Belle
March 8th, 2013
8:46 am
Numbers look great!
Ga. politics putting guns in churches and some places on colleges, why don’t they allow guns in the legistaure while in session?
I miss Jay.
Happy Friday!
DownInAlbany
March 8th, 2013
8:52 am
With North Korea threatening a nuclear strike against our country, who does the administration trot out to ease our concerns? Susan Rice! Boy, I feel better now!
And, if we are going to use drones against terrorists, should the Kim Jong Un be on the kill list?
stands for decibels
March 8th, 2013
8:53 am
sounds too much like President Jed Clampett…
Were we to elect someone with Jed Clampett’s honesty, decency and intelligence to that office, I would weep with joy.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
March 8th, 2013
8:53 am
Well, I’m kinda looking forward to hauling one of my machine guns into the Church of Holiness on Sunday. I’ll leave the other machine gun and the anti-tank weapon at home out of respect for the Lord. At least I’ll be ready when a Terrist breaks in during one of the Rev. Postlewaite’s sermons. If the machine gun don’t get him the sermon will. Both are kinda deadly to human consciousness.
Have a good Friday everybody. The Good Lord has saw to it that we have another chance for FNM without that new-fangled do-hickey that won’t let you post links.
indigo
March 8th, 2013
8:54 am
Stevie Ray – 8:36 “anyone who objects to some additional measures for the sake of the rest of us”
Please explaing how allowing people to carry guns in churches and bars will provide us with “additional measures” for safety.
Gale
March 8th, 2013
8:58 am
Personally, I think someone who wants to have his gun with him in church should examine his reasons for being in church.
USinUK ... rainy Friday and I'm cranky
March 8th, 2013
9:01 am
“With North Korea threatening a nuclear strike against our country, who does the administration trot out to ease our concerns? Susan Rice! Boy, I feel better now!”
there, you go, DannyX … there’s your BENGHAZI! moment
Stevie Ray
March 8th, 2013
9:02 am
Thought provoking:
A recent study by the prestigious Institute of Medicine puts the waste in total health-care spending — both public and private — at $750 billion per year.
If even half of that number is accurate, that’s one pile of cash.
Normal, Plain and Simple
March 8th, 2013
9:04 am
Gale… Total replacement of the knee April 10th. Headed to Corbin for the weekend…
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Someone needs to tell me(not me, you) why we would need to carry a concealed weapon into a Church? Unless it’s the National Rifle House of Ascension. Maybe it will be legal to kill the Shaman if he gives a sermon you don’t like.
And handguns in bars…yeah, THAT’S gonna work. That will end up being like Dodge City on a Saturday night.
And guns on college campuses…with all the stress the students go through during finals…you can just imagine how that will work.
And my favorite, Guns in restaurants..Bad service, shoot the waiter.
Yessiree, good, common sense legislation….
godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need
March 8th, 2013
9:05 am
Personally, I think someone who wants to have his gun with him in church should examine his reasons for being in church.
Unless it’s one of them snake handling churches.
USinUK ... rainy Friday and I'm cranky
March 8th, 2013
9:05 am
Stevie Ray – and, yet, high prices are all Obama’s fault …
Stevie Ray
March 8th, 2013
9:07 am
indigo
March 8th, 2013
8:54 am
Sorry I re-read my note and realize it was not real clear. Anyone who doesn’t support additional background checks and the like live in a reality I will never understand. Guns scare me.
I do not support concealed weapons which I have found usually are attached to the paranoid and manhood challenged. The only reason I’d see the need for a gun in church is to shoot a child molesting preist…we agree on this issue Indigo…sorry for poorly wording commentary.
Gale
March 8th, 2013
9:08 am
Beautiful. I love Kentucky in early Spring. Water trickling through ice on the mountainside is so pretty. It says Spring to me. I have an uncle who had knee replacement and he is doing well. Best of luck with that.
Paul
March 8th, 2013
9:11 am
DownInAlbany et al
Regarding “$85 billion is only n% of the budget”
Have to look at the numbers. Are they including Social Security? That’s separately funded – back it out of the total.
Much of the budget is front-loaded with annual contracts. As soon as agency x gets it’s funds, a good portion of them may be gone on those contracts.
Add to that, almost a half the year is gone.
So the impact is greater than saying ‘it’s only 2%.’
It’s like your home budget. Say it’s 50 grand a year. Halfway thru you’ve prepaid 12 months of mortgage and car payments and health insurance (we’re making this like fed’s annual contracts, obligated up front, remember?) then you’ve got , utilities, food, house repairs, etc etc etc.
With half the year gone you’ve already spent, say 65 percent or more of your budget.
So along comes someone and says “we’re gonna cut $1000 from your budget.”
Question: does $1000 cut have a greater impact if you look at a yearly budget of $50k or if you look at what’s left for the year, say, $18k?
And for all you ‘I’d rather count the leaves than look at the forest” types, if you’re going to come back with “it’s only 1.8%” or ‘but they’re not 65% obligated, they’re only 63% obligated: fo-cus….
Stevie Ray
March 8th, 2013
9:13 am
USinUK … rainy Friday and I’m cranky
March 8th, 2013
9:05 am
I really don’t see that the office of the president has any meaningful impact on prices or employment. He simply rides the surf. I can see how any sort of credit he may be given for good stuff that happens on his watch, that philosophy should apply to the crappy outcomes as well.
Stimulus didn’t work…In May 2009, the White House forecast 4.6 percent growth in 2012, an unemployment rate of 6 percent and a budget deficit of $557 billion. The actual outcomes were much worse: growth of 2.3 percent, unemployment at 8.1 percent and a budget deficit of nearly $1.1 trillion.
The PelosiCare thingy will do nothing to reduce growth in costs any more than the paltry $85 billion will…seems his heart may be in a good place but he is all politician and speechmaker predictably consumed by politics to destroy other party…not much use..
ATL Tiger
March 8th, 2013
9:13 am
“And handguns in bars…yeah, THAT’S gonna work. That will end up being like Dodge City on a Saturday night.
And guns on college campuses…with all the stress the students go through during finals…you can just imagine how that will work.
And my favorite, Guns in restaurants..Bad service, shoot the waiter.
Yessiree, good, common sense legislation….”
It’s not like people do all of the above already. If someone is going to carry a gun and shoot someone, no matter the setting, they will find a way to do so. If this bill is signed into law, do you think that magically more poeple will begin carrying guns into bars? You still would need a concealed carry permit, and lets face it…those with concealed carry permits aren’t the ones shooting people at colleges, restaurants and bars.
Fred ™
March 8th, 2013
9:16 am
USinUK … rainy Friday and I’m cranky: First time we see the woman in months and she’s cranky. Just great. Did anyone tell her Bosch has been on and she MISSED him. THAT will get her crankier so don’t do it.
Anyone tell her about the new format change coming?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 8th, 2013
9:18 am
States with more gun laws have lower levels of gun fatalities, according to a new study from Boston Children’s Hospital. While the study, published in the journal JAMA Internal Medicine, does not establish cause-and-effect, nor which particular gun laws are most effective, it does suggest a positive relationship between gun control and gun violence prevention
So GA republicans continue to increase danger to its residents. And now another city trying to mandate gun ownership and the purchase of guns and related items. We know how the GOP loves to mandate for their causes.
USinUK ... rainy Friday and I'm cranky
March 8th, 2013
9:18 am
“I really don’t see that the office of the president has any meaningful impact on prices or employment. He simply rides the surf. I can see how any sort of credit he may be given for good stuff that happens on his watch, that philosophy should apply to the crappy outcomes as well.”
I think that the office of the President does have an impact – not a huge one, but his (or her) policies can make a difference – just not immediately. Unemployment is a lagging indicator, with impacts usually not felt until 2-4 years after the fact
“Stimulus didn’t work…In May 2009, the White House forecast 4.6 percent growth in 2012, an unemployment rate of 6 percent and a budget deficit of $557 billion. The actual outcomes were much worse: growth of 2.3 percent, unemployment at 8.1 percent and a budget deficit of nearly $1.1 trillion. ”
I disagree with you – I think the economy would look a lot more like Europe’s right now had the US not passed the stimulus bill. Keynes was right. And, the fact is, the banking situation was worse than even the best minds in either administration realized – so, any estimates were based on an assumption that this was like previous recessions – when it was far worse than that.
moonbat betty
March 8th, 2013
9:19 am
The gun ban for Churches was probably lifted due to funerals.
Crazy family members or friends with grudges have settled vendettas given the emotionally charged atmosphere and the prospect that no one will have the means to stop them.
Stevie Ray
March 8th, 2013
9:20 am
Paul
March 8th, 2013
9:11 am
The cuts arguably are more than 2% since they are not spread across entitlement lines. It is actually 85 billion in cuts from 31% of our spend. That’s 8% non defense and 13% defense. Of course, there’s most waste in these areas to easily cover objectives without too much pain as suggested if department heads had any input..
moonbat betty
March 8th, 2013
9:20 am
Guns allowed where alcohol is served is crazy as hell!
USinUK ... rainy Friday and I'm cranky
March 8th, 2013
9:21 am
“Did anyone tell her Bosch has been on and she MISSED him.”
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
how’s my buddy? was he well???
I heard rumblings about the new format … what’s the haps?
indigo
March 8th, 2013
9:21 am
Stevie Ray – 9:07
Thanks.
I’ve found that if I post here before any morning coffee, it’s about like talking in my sleep.
Morality?
March 8th, 2013
9:22 am
Jimmy Hoffa voted Obama.
USinUK ... rainy Friday and I'm cranky
March 8th, 2013
9:23 am
Fred – coming soon:
Mango sorbet
Hummus
and, yes, did you SEE the cookies I posted on Monday?
Joe Hussein Mama
March 8th, 2013
9:23 am
DIA — “With North Korea threatening a nuclear strike against our country”
Threatening is one thing. Being able to follow up on a threat is quite another.
Spot the difference.
Morality?
March 8th, 2013
9:24 am
SEQUESTRATION is a GOOD thang!
Stevie Ray
March 8th, 2013
9:25 am
USinUK … rainy Friday and I’m cranky
March 8th, 2013
9:18 am
The stimulus like all other such measures are always oversold and, predictably, underdelivered. IMO the stimulus has, if anything, delivered a small fraction of what we were sold. I get really burned when the bank thingy rears it’s head. Instead of doing anything about too big to fail, the outcome of that crap bill was more to solidify those institutions existence…they should have given us the money to make payments instead of the cash favors given to the banks..
Morality?
March 8th, 2013
9:25 am
Jay is stuck in a time warp.
Fred ™
March 8th, 2013
9:25 am
USinUK; He’s fine. The pups are dogs now and still driving him crazy, especially the one who eats it’s own puke……. Seemed in good spirits, he dropped by several days in a row while you were off gallivanting. Get the change info from someone, I have to split for now and you’ll probably be gone when I get back. Oh and check out this recipe. I made it last week and it was REALLY good.
http://savoringtoday.com/2011/03/07/osso-buco-style-beef-short-ribs/
Paul
March 8th, 2013
9:26 am
Stevie Ray
Just trying to start out with an accurate baseline.
I agree with your overall assessment, taken in categories as a whole. There may be many programs achieving objectives that have been effectively managed. I’m pretty sure there are many that aren’t. But a couple things are sure: they will reflexively protect ‘nice things we do for ourselves that have minimal impact upon those we serve” and they will not make systemic changes until they are forced to choose thru a major reduction in funding. And on that second part, that’s the job of the Congress – not the Executive. They both play a role, but it’s the Legislative with the power of the purse.
Heck, many are not aware that -every – single – new – building – built on a military installation is specifically funded by Congress? As are many major infrastructure repairs? If they can pick out stuff to fund at that low level, they can darn sure decide which ones to cut.
off to the gym -
TBS
March 8th, 2013
9:27 am
moonbat
In Texas you can carry a gun into a restaurant that serves alcohol, but not into a place designation as a bar. I believe the designation is based on the percentage of alcohol sold vs food.
Stevie Ray
March 8th, 2013
9:27 am
indigo
March 8th, 2013
9:21 am
Heck, I eat in my sleep…don’t eat as well as I should during day so I seem to levitate around the house devastating any and all ready to eat carbs….
Fred ™
March 8th, 2013
9:27 am
USinUK: Saw the cookies. My daughter is off this week and we WERE going to make them. Her cousin (my niece duh) was going to come over for the rest of the weekend but she got sick so my wife and daughter went over there to take take of her (parents had a trip planned). IF they come back here, the girls are going to make your cookies. Can’t wait for the Sorbet, the little one LOVES mangoes. TTYL.
TBS
March 8th, 2013
9:28 am
“…….designated..”
Stevie Ray
March 8th, 2013
9:30 am
FRED
Champagne sorbet in almond tuiles….chicks dig it.
Also a fan of Jack Daniels Vanilla Bean (custard style) ice cream….what could be bad about anything with 10 or more egg yolks?
Morality?
March 8th, 2013
9:30 am
STIMULUS by gub’ment definition is kickbacks, payoffs and favors to those that got you where you are. STIMULUS IS MASSIVE STEALING FROM THE TAX PAYERS and redistributing to PARTY LOYALISTS for services rendered – getting Obama elected.
Basically STIMULUS has nothing to do with improving the economy or reducing the HAWG AT THE TROUGH Fed debt. Wake up AMERICA! It is TIME for a 3rd PARTY loyal to the citizens of the USA
USinUK ... rainy Friday and I'm cranky
March 8th, 2013
9:35 am
“Champagne sorbet in almond tuiles….chicks dig it.”
(both hands raised) – TESTIFY!
USinUK ... rainy Friday and I'm cranky
March 8th, 2013
9:36 am
“STIMULUS by gub’ment definition is kickbacks, payoffs and favors to those that got you where you are. STIMULUS IS MASSIVE STEALING FROM THE TAX PAYERS and redistributing to PARTY LOYALISTS for services rendered – getting Obama elected.”
ohsweetjeebus on a jet ski … the stupid is strong with this one.
Doggone/GA
March 8th, 2013
9:38 am
“First time we see the woman in months”
and what am I…dog meat?
moonbat betty
March 8th, 2013
9:38 am
TBS,
“In Texas you can carry a gun into a restaurant that serves alcohol, but not into a place designation as a bar. I believe the designation is based on the percentage of alcohol sold vs food.”
I believe that was the way it worked in Georgia as well. Restaurants I don’t really have a problem with, but a bar where one’s sole purpose is to consume alcohol opens too many doors for “accidents” to occur.
Fred ™
March 8th, 2013
9:39 am
Wow. How far the mighty have fallen. While I never did a whole lot of research on her, Denise Majette SEEMED like an honest, honorable person. I wasn’t dis-satisfied with her as my Congress-Woman. She was certainly better than the ding bay Cynthia McKinney she replaced. I would have never thought this of her though:
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/ex-congresswoman-faces-possible-disbarment/nWkfL/
(My appointment called and pushed back the time lol so I’m NOT gone).
Joe Hussein Mama
March 8th, 2013
9:40 am
S. Ray — ” Instead of doing anything about too big to fail, the outcome of that crap bill was more to solidify those institutions existence…they should have given us the money to make payments instead of the cash favors given to the banks.”
We don’t agree on a lot, but we do agree on this.
Individuals should have been bailed out, not banks.
Fred ™
March 8th, 2013
9:40 am
HaHa Doggone, you misread that I think. I said THE woman, referring to USinUK not A woman.
USinUK ... rainy Friday and I'm cranky
March 8th, 2013
9:42 am
Stevie Ray – custard style is the ONLY way to make ice cream
TBS
March 8th, 2013
9:43 am
moonbat
I personally think it should be either / or. As you stated more people are going into bars to consume alcohol as opposed to eating, but there are people boozing it up at Long Horn, Chilis, etc. But I do get your point from a percentages standpoint.
Normal, Plain and Simple
March 8th, 2013
9:43 am
Doggone,
We keep forgetting because of your Nom de Blog…Maybe you oughta try Doggonette?
Fred ™
March 8th, 2013
9:46 am
TBS & Moonbat: Texas has some of the craziest drinking laws I have ever seen. Around Killeen, (Fort Hood) they didn’t have bars, they had “clubs.” you had to be a member of the club to enter and drink. As such you would spend a buck to get a card that was good for a month or so that said you were a member before you entered……
Doggone/GA
March 8th, 2013
9:49 am
“Individuals should have been bailed out, not banks”
Yep, I said that all along
Doggone/GA
March 8th, 2013
9:51 am
“We keep forgetting because of your Nom de Blog…Maybe you oughta try Doggonette?”
Hate to tell you…but that just means “LIttle Doggone” not Doggone (female)
Fred ™
March 8th, 2013
9:55 am
Hate to tell you…but that just means “LIttle Doggone” not Doggone (female)
Bull poopy. He made up the word, it can mean anything he wants it to.
(Dang I keep hearing the Muttley laugh. Thanks Brocephus for the EAR WORM!!!!!!!!!!!)
USinUK ... rainy Friday and I'm cranky
March 8th, 2013
10:03 am
““Individuals should have been bailed out, not banks”
Yep, I said that all along”
well, that’s a lovely thought, but the reality is that, if we lose the banks, we lose the backbone of the economy.
Real Scootter
March 8th, 2013
10:09 am
well, that’s a lovely thought, but the reality is that, if we lose the banks, we lose the backbone of the economy.
Serious question USinUK.
If people had been bailed out and made their payments to the banks would that have worked?
Normal, Plain and Simple
March 8th, 2013
10:11 am
Scooter,
you asked, “If people had been bailed out and made their payments to the banks would that have worked?”
I may be wrong, but I think That’s what FDR did during the Crash…
JamVet
March 8th, 2013
10:11 am
A Doggone by any other name would be as sweet.
Lib chicks rock!
To wit – USinUK, Granny, Debbie, G Mare, Belle, Gale and the other fine ladies here.
The only two hard core GOP women that I can remember who ever blogged here were both so nasty that they are Kyle’s problem now…
Brosephus™
March 8th, 2013
10:11 am
Recon @ 1:38
As I said, I wasn’t speaking one way or the other. I respect people and their views, but I view all libertarians as fools. One can’t expect to live life based on their ideals and not expect to get overrun by someone else. By the time a libertarian would muster the necessary testicular fortitude to defend the country, we’d be speaking a different language.
I only posted that WSJ link as proof that he said what he did. I read that article, and I remember all the hoopla about it when he first ran. I wouldn’t have voted for him then, and I still wouldn’t vote for him now.
————–
So what’s going on with President Doom today?
When did Thulsa get elected president, and what is he president of?
Welcome to the Occupation
March 8th, 2013
10:12 am
“Individuals should have been bailed out, not banks”
Thing to keep in mind is that what is actually being bailed out is not so much either banks or individuals, but the class of privileged capitalist financiers and rentiers who line their pockets with bailout funds.
USinUK ... rainy Friday and I'm cranky
March 8th, 2013
10:14 am
Real Scooter –
considering how in the hole the majority of Americans were (the average household credit card debt in 2008-2009 was $19K … and that’s just credit card debt, it doesn’t include debt related to health care or home ownership or other legal problems), I don’t think it was an option.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
March 8th, 2013
10:16 am
To wit – USinUK, Granny, Debbie, G Mare, Belle, Gale and the other fine ladies here.
Don’t forget Matti. Nobody should forget Matti. I know I can’t forget her, and if it wasn’t for wanting to live a little longer I’d be after her like a blue tick hound on a coon’s track.
As for Sister Dusty and that other one that goes by two circled A’s, Wingfield can have them.
Real Scootter
March 8th, 2013
10:18 am
I may be wrong, but I think That’s what FDR did during the Crash
Thanks Normal! I’ll google that just out of curiosity.
Fred ™
March 8th, 2013
10:19 am
USinUK: I disagree. The way it worked was the banks got my money along with the money of every other taxpayer, and STILL kept the houses. All because THEY made bad and in some cases illegal loans. They also are the idiots pushing credit cards on people who had no way to ever pay them back. Again not my fault. And the WORST part of the deal? Once the Gov’t gave them the money they turned around and paid off their foreign investors. In effect, they used OUR money to pay of foreign banks.
What a crock of crap. That too big to fail junk is just that. Junk. And we are trying to do it again.
Thulsa Doom
March 8th, 2013
10:21 am
“As for Sister Dusty and that other one that goes by two circled A’s, Wingfield can have them”
Pencilneck convert always was intimidated by women that were smarter and tougher than him.
Doggone/GA
March 8th, 2013
10:22 am
“well, that’s a lovely thought, but the reality is that, if we lose the banks, we lose the backbone of the economy.”
Well, I said it…but my plan would have given the money to the banks and required them to make proportional reductions in the amount owed on the mortgages they held. The banks would have gotten the money and we, the taxpayers, would have seen some direct (if not immediate) results as well.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 8th, 2013
10:23 am
Don’t forget Matti. Nobody should forget Matti.
And Midori.
She ain’t been around for a while.
Matti
March 8th, 2013
10:23 am
Is it time to round up a search party? Has anyone checked the trunk of Wingfield’s car?
Matti
March 8th, 2013
10:24 am
Awwww…. Why Mr. CONVERT! You’re too kind! You’re making me blush!
Real Scootter
March 8th, 2013
10:25 am
USinUK … rainy Friday and I’m cranky
March 8th, 2013
10:14 am
Wow! I had no idea things were that bad.(lucky for me I guess)
19K in credit card debt? Whew!
Welcome to the Occupation
March 8th, 2013
10:25 am
“Individuals should have been bailed out, not banks”
It’s BOTH, and neither.
What a Marxist-informed perspective allows you to grasp is the fact that it is the class interests that are behind the bank bailouts, as with all capitalist economic relations, not so much either the individuals or the institutions narrowly conceived.
YouLibs
March 8th, 2013
10:28 am
Thulsa:
“If you can’t sleep then try counting sheep. Or better yet trying counting Chinese soldiers. I hear that according to one idiot on here earlier today that there are a hundred million of em. You should fall asleep in no time.”
Or you could count all the MARTA drivers who make over 100K a year. Did you ever get that link for us?
Welcome to the Occupation
March 8th, 2013
10:29 am
USINUK: “well, that’s a lovely thought, but the reality is that, if we lose the banks, we lose the backbone of the economy”
That’s correct. But the question is, who OWNs the banks? Whose interests do they serve?
Right now, they serve the interests of a financier class.
Fred ™
March 8th, 2013
10:31 am
Damn USinUK, i make one post to YOU about YOU and somehow it gets misconstrued into a post saying you are the only chick on this message board. Is Doomy contagious?
I surrender.
Brosephus™
March 8th, 2013
10:33 am
Paul @ 9:11
Wise counsel, but I feel it will not penetrate the brains of those who need to heed such a message.
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and what am I…dog meat?
Nope, you’re dog gone??
Thulsa Doom
March 8th, 2013
10:34 am
“Or you could count all the MARTA drivers who make over 100K a year. Did you ever get that link for us?”
No. Because I never made the claim dum dum. You have me confused with someone else. With the exception of a couple of moments yesterday I haven’t been here in 2 weeks silly.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 8th, 2013
10:35 am
what am I…dog meat?
Wouldn’t that make her a Ikea meatball?
Thulsa Doom
March 8th, 2013
10:36 am
“Is Doomy contagious?”
If I were contagious you wouldn’t still be stupid.
stands for decibels
March 8th, 2013
10:38 am
Denise Majette SEEMED like an honest, honorable person. I wasn’t dis-satisfied with her as my Congress-Woman. She was certainly better than the ding bay Cynthia McKinney she replaced.
I was scratching my head, and about to post “she didn’t replace McKinney–that was Hank Johnson”–but I see she DID replace her for one term she’d held, 1.2003-1.2005.
I would have never thought this of her though:
That is sad, I agree.
stands for decibels
March 8th, 2013
10:40 am
I do not support concealed weapons
For the record, I’m actually to the right of Stevie Ray on this. I’m for issuing permits, and taxing the hell out of those guys who need their blankies with them wherever they go.
I’d make sure they got a pacifier along with their permit every year when they’d re-up.
Brosephus™
March 8th, 2013
10:40 am
Wouldn’t that make her a Ikea meatball?
Nah, probably more like H Mart…
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
March 8th, 2013
10:41 am
I would have never thought this of her though:
Well, all I got to say is, if every lawyer that billed for hours never worked was disbarred, we’d be lawyer-free and a awful happy bunch here.
Thulsa Doom
March 8th, 2013
10:44 am
Cynthia McKinney. The very name evokes laughter. Hank Johnson? Someone tell him Guam hasn’t and won’t tip over and capsize from too many people. Ya really gotta wonder about the folks who elect these demwits.
Gale
March 8th, 2013
10:44 am
If lawyers had to count hours billed as hours lived, they would soon stop that practice.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 8th, 2013
10:45 am
Fla. Senator proposed a bill requiring anger management classes before buying ammo in Fla.