Jeb Bush has a principled stand on immigration. Several, in fact.
Last summer, Jeb Bush was in favor of offering illegal immigrants a path to citizenship. As he told Charlie Rose:
“You have to deal with this issue. You can’t ignore it, and so either a path to citizenship, which I would support — and that does put me probably out of the mainstream of most conservatives — or a path to legalization, a path to residency of some kind.”
In his new book, “Immigration Wars: Forging an American Solution”, Bush comes out in stalwart opposition to citizenship.
“It is absolutely vital to the integrity of our immigration system that actions have consequences — in this case, that those who violated the law can remain but cannot obtain the cherished fruits of citizenship. To do otherwise would signal once again that people who circumvent the system can still obtain the full benefits of American citizenship.”
Today on “Morning Joe”, Bush was back to his initial position. Kind of … He repeatedly stressed that the book was written last year, as if something had happened recently to alter what in the book seems to be a strong, principle-based opposition to a path to citizenship. He also argued that a path to legalization would not create a magnet for future illegal immigration, while a path to citizenship somehow would.
“If you don’t have a difference between a path to citizenship or a path to legalization, you’re going to create a magnet going forward for more illegal immigration. So going forward — we wrote this last year — going forward, if there is a difference, if you can craft that in law where you can have a path to citizenship where there isn’t an incentive for people to come illegally, I’m for it. I don’t have a problem with that.”
A couple of points:
1.) The Bush flip-flop-flip has angered veterans of Mitt Romney’s campaign, which last year felt stranded on unpopular ground with the candidate’s “self-deportation” approach.
“Where the hell was this Jeb Bush during the campaign?” one advisor told the Miami Herald. “He spent all this time criticizing Romney and it turns out he has basically the same position. So he wants people to go back to their country and apply for citizenship? Well, that’s self deportation. We got creamed for talking about that. And now Jeb is saying the same thing.”
2.) The distinction that Bush attempts to draw between legalization and citizenship in fact has little real consequence. Those who have immigrated here illegally were drawn by jobs, the chance to escape Third World living conditions or greater opportunity for their children. Getting U.S. citizenship was way, way down on their list. A nice possibility, maybe, but hardly a deciding factor.
The notion that a path to legalization would be a less powerful magnet than a path to citizenship makes no sense, and Bush is smart enough to know it. But when you’re caught tacking to the right when the political winds are blowing left, and when you have ambitions of becoming the third consecutive Republican president named Bush, you have to scramble a bit.
– Jay Bookman
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0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 7th, 2013
7:37 pm
HEADLINE (CNN): “Rand Paul ‘happy’ with drone response”
“It has come to my attention that you have now asked an additional question: ‘Does the President have the authority to use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on American soil?’ The answer to that question is no,” the three-sentence letter stated.”
Well, there you go …………… the key is “not engaged in combat”.
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 7th, 2013
7:47 pm
So Ru Paul made a blithering (senselessly talkative, babbling; used chiefly as an intensive to express annoyance or contempt) fool of himself, even in his own party???
That takes some real fake-libertarian talent, huh?
TBS
March 7th, 2013
7:48 pm
Who gets “free” F16s?
I thought that the US allowed Lockheed and General Dynamics to sell them to certain countries, Egypt being one of them. Maybe that is not correct and the US is now giving them away. A shame if they are just giving them away these days. They are not cheap.
Josef
March 7th, 2013
7:52 pm
TBS
They’re sorta like Obamaphones….
TBS
March 7th, 2013
7:54 pm
Scout
Part of an “aide package”. I guess that would be free if in fact you view any aide in the form of money and military equipment to any country as “free”.
I’m sure the POTUS (regardless of whom it is) and DoD, CIA, NSA, etc do not view it as “free”. Uncle Sam is usually looking for something in return or attempting to arm to gain influential advantage or to balance out a region when these “aide” packages are set up.
TBS
March 7th, 2013
7:57 pm
josef
“Obombers” will be the new term for these F16 giveaways….
F16 isn’t a bomber, but that is the best (lamest) thing I could come up with after your Obamaphone post
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 7th, 2013
7:58 pm
Perhaps if Senior Spam wants a “free F-16″ he should move to Egypt.
TBS
March 7th, 2013
8:02 pm
Scout
Earlier this week you said “Chavez was a dictator no more. True enough but neither is Mubarak.
getalife
March 7th, 2013
8:39 pm
“What would be the payback time?”
Not sure of the price of the weed but it weighs 800 pounds and used indoors with doors that lock and like a safe.
Here is the link:
http://www.10news.com/news/company-hopes-to-bring-30-marijuana-dispensing-machines-to-san-diego
The green bubble is ready to grow in Colorado and Washington States and I have to invest.
getalife
March 7th, 2013
8:49 pm
Levin is retiring and they think mccain will too.
TBS
March 7th, 2013
8:51 pm
get
Some of those power brokers in the Senate are starting to get a few years on them.
Recon 0311 2533
March 7th, 2013
8:53 pm
Rand Paul certainly struck nerves with his filibuster when you have the ACLU, Jon Stewart and even code pink on his side. Later Erick Holder comes out and confesses that that Obama has no Constitutional basis for killing Americans on American soil.
getalife
March 7th, 2013
8:58 pm
Both,
I believe if they voted for the housing scam and both nation building occupations they should retire.
All of them.
getalife
March 7th, 2013
9:00 pm
del,
Unless they are about to attack Americans.
rand was worried about his rw radical extremist friends.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 7th, 2013
9:06 pm
Ethnic jokes?
Could the timing be right for my “god wants to go on vacation” joke?
Doggone/GA
March 7th, 2013
9:09 pm
“Could the timing be right for my “god wants to go on vacation” joke?”
Have you cleared it with God?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 7th, 2013
9:11 pm
Doggone/GA
I believe that god has a healthy sense of humor. Just look at the species that he “made in his image”.
Recon 0311 2533
March 7th, 2013
9:12 pm
Even though Mubarak would not have been someone most Americans would want to invite over for Sunday dinner, he was none the less allied with us in maintaining stability in the M.E. region. Chavez was a committed American enemy which is a very big difference.
getalife
March 7th, 2013
9:13 pm
The angels said, “Well, how about Earth?”
God said, “No way! The last time I went to Earth I knocked up some Jewish broad and they haven’t stopped talking about it since!”
That one Kam?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 7th, 2013
9:15 pm
getalife
Yep.
That’s the one.
Doggone/GA
March 7th, 2013
9:15 pm
“I believe that god has a healthy sense of humor. Just look at the species that he “made in his image”.”
Amen to that! And I’ve had a run-in or two with God’s sense of humor in my liftime. Left me with NO doubt he has one. And anyway, even if “made in his image” wasn’t proof…there’s always the wart og!
getalife
March 7th, 2013
9:15 pm
del,
The 250 million Kerry gave him helps but they wanted a billion so not sure what he do.
Doggone/GA
March 7th, 2013
9:16 pm
And with that, I’m headed to bed. Night all
getalife
March 7th, 2013
9:17 pm
Kam,
The rest of the joke got moderated .
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 7th, 2013
9:19 pm
getalife
Not surprised. It’s a construction site joke
TBS
March 7th, 2013
9:19 pm
Recon
I thug is a thug whether the US supports him or not. I’m fully aware that US foreign policy will always have us supporting despots on one hand and working to topple despots on the other.
With that said, I wont be a hypocrite and downplay the atrocities of any dictator……. US puppet or US enemy.
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 7th, 2013
9:22 pm
Rand Paul is a White Supremacist nutjob nobody that hired a known virulent racist as a campaign spokesman, who takes their money, who opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, who believes businesses had the right to discriminate on the basis of skin color and who had zero elected or executive experience before getting the rubes in Ky. to send him to Washington…
From what I have read of him, he is just another nasty far right zealot trying to pretend that he is not a racial extremist.
No sale…
TBS
March 7th, 2013
9:22 pm
Recon
Add one more thing. The vast majority of people in Egypt wanted Mubarak gone. Not for me to say the US needed to intervene or not. Granted they may not get anything better than what they had, but they decided they had enough and so it was………
Recon 0311 2533
March 7th, 2013
9:23 pm
TBS,
The world is an extremely dangerous place and securing our national security is paramount regardless of what it takes to secure it.
getalife
March 7th, 2013
9:25 pm
The mafia was looking for a new man to make weekly collections from all the private businesses that they were ‘protecting’. Feeling the heat from the police force, they decided to use a deaf person for this job-if he were to get caught, he wouldn’t be able to communicate to the police what he was doing.
Well, on his first week, the deaf collector picks up over $50,000. He gets greedy, decides to keep the money and stashes it in a safe place. The mafia soon realizes that their collection is late, and sends some of their hoods after the deaf collector. The hoods find the deaf collector and ask him where the money is. The deaf collector can’t communicate with them, so the mafia drags th e guy to an interpreter.
The mafia hood says to the interpreter, “Ask him where da money is.”
The interpreter signs, “Where’s the money?”
The deaf replies, “I don’t know what you’re talking about.” The interpreter tells the hood, “He says he doesn’t know what you’re talking about.”
The hood pulls out a .38 gun and places it in the ear of the deaf collector. “NOW ask him where da money is.”
The interpreter signs, “Where is the money?”
The deaf man replies, “The $50,000 is in Central Park, hidden in the third tree stump on the left from the West 78th Street gate ”
The interpreter says to the hood, “He says he still doesn’t know what you’re talking about, and doesn’t think you have the balls to pull the trigger.”
Recon 0311 2533
March 7th, 2013
9:27 pm
From what I have read of him, he is just another nasty far right zealot trying to pretend that he is not a racial extremist.
JamVet, how about including your sources with supporting documentation.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 7th, 2013
9:27 pm
getalife
TBS
March 7th, 2013
9:31 pm
“The world is an extremely dangerous place and securing our national security is paramount regardless of what it takes to secure it.”
And you wont find where I said it wasn’t. Again, I will not downplay atrocities of a dictator that is a US puppet and accentuate the atrocities of one that is not on the US’s good side. It gets done on this blog and in the media a lot. I don’t get it. A thug is a thug.
One thing to say the US is operating is a dangerous world and must “play dirty” at times. It is a totally different thing to pretend that we don’t deal with despots or downplay the negative impact those people have on the populace. You are a smart man, I’m sure you can differentiate between the two.
Brosephus™
March 7th, 2013
9:33 pm
getalife
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 7th, 2013
9:33 pm
Did YOU really just write that?
YOU??????
SOURCES???????
SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION????
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TBS
March 7th, 2013
9:35 pm
get
Good one
Recon 0311 2533
March 7th, 2013
9:42 pm
SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION????
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Okay, thanks for your answer. I didn’t think that you did.
Recon 0311 2533
March 7th, 2013
9:46 pm
TBS,
I understand your point but unfortunately, some hands must get dirty to keep most other hands clean.
getalife
March 7th, 2013
9:49 pm
del,
Rand Paul ELECTED
OFFICE SOUGHT U.S. Senate, Kentucky
PARTY Tea Party-backed Republican
RESULTS Primary: Won with 58.8% (206,986 votes) of the 352,275 votes cast. General election Won with 55.7% (755,411 votes) of the 1,356,468 votes cast.
EXTREMIST IDEOLOGY Right-wing libertarian
Paul rode Tea Party support to upset the Kentucky GOP’s preferred candidate. During the campaign, many of Paul’s unorthodox political beliefs came to light, including his assertion that private businesses shouldn’t have been compelled to comply with the Civil Rights Act of 1964 that barred discrimination. In a 2002 letter to the Bowling Green Daily News, Paul also criticized the Fair Housing Act, explaining that “a free society will abide unofficial, private discrimination, even when that means allowing hate-filled groups to exclude people based on skin color.” After winning the Republican primary and being subjected to national criticism, Paul issued a press release declaring “unequivocally” that he would not support any effort to repeal the Civil Rights Act of 1964 that he had criticized just days earlier. This January, Paul sent out a fundraising letter declaring that Hillary Clinton and the “global gun-grabbers” at the United Nations are trying “finally strip you and me of ALL our freedoms” by signing a treaty that would “almost certainly” force the U.S. to “CONFISCATE and DESTROY” all “unauthorized” civilian firearms. (In fact, the treaty being discussed has nothing to do with regulating guns in the U.S., something that would be impossible in any event under the Constitution.) Paul added that “the United Nations has been hell-bent on bringing the United States to its knees” since its founding in 1945. Last fall, he said he wanted to abolish the U.S. Department of Education so it couldn’t, for instance, mandate teaching kindergartners “that Susie has two mommies,” a reference to same-sex couples with children. On immigration, Paul wants to erect a physical or electronic fence along all U.S. land borders, complete with “satellite surveillance” and “helicopter stations,” and deploy “any unnecessary foreign units” of the American military to the border.”
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2011/spring/electoral-extremism-23-candidates-on-radical-right
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 7th, 2013
9:49 pm
Think that if it makes you fell better.
But once again, just because it is funny to watch people step in their own ____…
YOU??????
SOURCES???????
SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION????
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Recon 0311 2533
March 7th, 2013
9:54 pm
getalife,
Good grief do actually believe that crap that you cut and paste. Good grief man get a life and investigate to find your own truths.
getalife
March 7th, 2013
9:54 pm
Proceed del.
Recon 0311 2533
March 7th, 2013
9:57 pm
But once again, just because it is funny to watch people step in their own ____…
You not only step in your own but even step in that of others and call it your own. Kind of pathetic but to each their own.
getalife
March 7th, 2013
9:58 pm
del,
Prove the link wrong.
Proceed.
Recon 0311 2533
March 7th, 2013
10:03 pm
Prove the link wrong.
get, prove it right. If their was any credence to that stupidity it would have been plastered all over the MSM. Kind of like truther foolishness. You guys need to come up for fresh air at least every now and then.
getalife
March 7th, 2013
10:05 pm
del,
It was plastered on corporate media but you failed to prove the link wrong because it is the truth.
You can’t handle the truth.
Recon 0311 2533
March 7th, 2013
10:10 pm
You can’t handle the truth.
get, I can handle truth but lies just don’t get my attention and in particular asinine lies. You’ll have to do a lot better than that but keep on carrying on.
Brosephus™
March 7th, 2013
10:10 pm
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704226004575262524028225304.html
Mr. Paul’s 2002 letter, an electronic copy of which was viewed by the Wall Street Journal, reads, in part: “A free society will abide unofficial, private discrimination—even when that means allowing hate-filled groups to exclude people based on the color of their skin.
“It is unenlightened and ill-informed to promote discrimination against individuals based on the color of their skin.
“It is likewise unwise to forget the distinction between public (taxpayer-financed) and private entities. A society that forgets this distinction will ultimately lose the freedoms that have evolved and historically been attached to private ownership.”
Recon 0311 2533
March 7th, 2013
10:13 pm
Clearly, this is a blog out of control. Jay, wouldn’t even cut and paste stupidity that’s so far out in far-left never never land. Oh well, Taps
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 7th, 2013
10:15 pm
Bro, it’s useless.
Hysterical, but useless.
He is NEVER going to allow anything to penetrate that…
http://tinyurl.com/l6ovr
Brosephus™
March 7th, 2013
10:16 pm
JamVet
Recon 0311 2533
March 7th, 2013
10:22 pm
Brosephus,
That’s a big so what. Paul is a Libertarian and his point is federal government intrusion into the private sector. The left as always attempts to make something out of nothing as dictated by their masters.
Recon 0311 2533
March 7th, 2013
10:30 pm
Ignorance and stupidity reigns on the left. Paul Rand filibusters and by doing so embarrasses the Obama administration and so the sheep follow their shepherds. pathetic but it is what it is. I’m out.
Brosephus™
March 7th, 2013
10:34 pm
Recon
Didn’t say anything in one way or the other. Your post sounded as though you didn’t believe he stated those things. I only posted to show that he did. He’s a jackass as far as I’m concerned as that’s what I think about all libertarians.
I don’t care what the Left does, and for that matter, I don’t care the same for the Right. I personally think a man’s word is his worth. I respect his honesty, but I wouldn’t vote for him if he were the only person on the ballot.
Cloudodust
March 7th, 2013
10:35 pm
There are those that live their lives on JB’s blogs who feel they’ve got all the answers. Reminds me of the 16 year old that believes they’ve got life figured out, all the while living off Mommy and Daddy. To those, KMA, the whole whiny bunch of you. You offer no objective solution but are quick to offer subjective critisism to others posts as if you’ve got it figured out. Ain’t it a flipping waste of your time..? Really…It is of mine to read ya’lls op-eds taking up space offering nothing but an attack on somebody that at least offers an opinion. Geez, what a bunch of folks that live as if, ‘Where everybody knows your name,’…
td
March 7th, 2013
10:35 pm
Yes, Rand Paul is a Libertarian.
”
STATEMENT OF PRINCIPLES
We, the members of the Libertarian Party, challenge the cult of the omnipotent state and defend the rights of the individual.
We hold that all individuals have the right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the right to live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they choose.
Governments throughout history have regularly operated on the opposite principle, that the State has the right to dispose of the lives of individuals and the fruits of their labor. Even within the United States, all political parties other than our own grant to government the right to regulate the lives of individuals and seize the fruits of their labor without their consent.
We, on the contrary, deny the right of any government to do these things, and hold that where governments exist, they must not violate the rights of any individual: namely, (1) the right to life — accordingly we support the prohibition of the initiation of physical force against others; (2) the right to liberty of speech and action — accordingly we oppose all attempts by government to abridge the freedom of speech and press, as well as government censorship in any form; and (3) the right to property — accordingly we oppose all government interference with private property, such as confiscation, nationalization, and eminent domain, and support the prohibition of robbery, trespass, fraud, and misrepresentation.
Since governments, when instituted, must not violate individual rights, we oppose all interference by government in the areas of voluntary and contractual relations among individuals. People should not be forced to sacrifice their lives and property for the benefit of others. They should be left free by government to deal with one another as free traders; and the resultant economic system, the only one compatible with the protection of individual rights, is the free market.
1.0 Personal Liberty
Individuals should be free to make choices for themselves and to accept responsibility for the consequences of the choices they make. No individual, group, or government may initiate force against any other individual, group, or government. Our support of an individual’s right to make choices in life does not mean that we necessarily approve or disapprove of those choices.”
http://www.lp.org/platform
Of coarse he would be opposed to the Civil rights act because it impedes on personal freedom. He would also be opposed to the Jim Crow laws because it is government intervention on personal freedom. Does this mean he is a racist as some on here are implying. Hell no. It is a shame that you progressives are so far to the left that you really do not understand what real freedom is all about.
Personal freedom and personal responsibility without government interference are the lynchpins of the Libertarian philosophy.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 7th, 2013
10:37 pm
To those, KMA, the whole whiny bunch of you.
Bless your little ol’ pea pickin’ heart.
Two sizes too small….
Brosephus™
March 7th, 2013
10:41 pm
Cloudodust
What’s your solution? You came here and offered subjective criticism of other people’s posts, but you did not offer any solutions yourself.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 7th, 2013
10:46 pm
Shorter td: Ayn Rand RULZ!
Thulsa Doom
March 7th, 2013
11:02 pm
More Rand envy from the dependency crowd.
appleseed
March 7th, 2013
11:09 pm
All ways hated to see anyone step in their own.Me personally I never liked to argue.Think I’ll watch news and go to bed.Though I’m not sleepy.I suppose I can use the beer song and count down silently.
Thulsa Doom
March 7th, 2013
11:12 pm
Appleseed,
If you can’t sleep then try counting sheep. Or better yet trying counting Chinese soldiers. I hear that according to one idiot on here earlier today that there are a hundred million of em. You should fall asleep in no time.
Cherokee
March 8th, 2013
12:05 am
“It is a shame that you progressives are so far to the left that you really do not understand what real freedom is all about.”
this from a guy who wants us all to approach the government on bended knee asking permission to marry the person of our choice
Ahmir Haddad
March 8th, 2013
12:20 am
Looks like old Slick Willie has a couple of “principled stands” on the DOMA. He’s now claiming that a bill he helped write and signed into law is now unconstitutional.
You have to admit, Jay…being a damn hypocrite is not limited to one side of the aisle.
G Mare
March 8th, 2013
12:55 am
I could, but won’t, comment on the several topics under discussion here in this marathon of posts. It is after midnight, and today is my 72nd birthday! Yes, there is “snow on the roof, but ….”
Had to renew my dl; thought I had every document that could possibly be needed. WRONG. I was asked for my marriage certificate. I was married in Oregon in 1962! Well that constituted a name change. Fortunately, I did have my Medicare card with me; seems that is one of the alternatives.
????
Perhaps my biggest gripe is that there seems to be NO ONE PLACE one can renew the dl and the car tag. What’s up with that I asked. She shrugged & said, “Government.” SIGH!
So now I am off later today to the tag office. Yes, could have done this by mail, but did not have the form needed for the inspection exemption, for which I qualify because I am over 65 & my car is over 10 years old (’93 Town Car with just under 51k miles). Odd that, as one would think that the older the car, the more the need for the inspection. Ah well, “government!”
ODD OWL
March 8th, 2013
3:20 am
Undocumented Americans do twice as much work as Americans for half the pay…. We should keep the illegals and deport an equal number of sorry arse Americans… The Republicans have about a half dozen political and racial wedge issues that they use in a perpetual, revolving manner,
Normal, Plain and Simple
March 8th, 2013
5:59 am
Good Friday morning to all y’all…
After re-reading all of the drone posts (including mine), I can say there was passion there. But for those who feared they would get droned on American soil, well you can rest easy. The President said it ain’t gonna happen. Gee, I’m glad that’s settled…
TiredOfIt
March 8th, 2013
7:29 am
That was quite the campaign speech Mr. Paul gave the other day. Maybe he will pick Ted Cruz for his VP.
Recon 0311 2533
March 8th, 2013
7:38 am
Brosephus@10:34pm,
Those things Rand Paul stated we’re exaggerated by a poster to create a distortion that he’s a racist. If you read your link to that WSJ article, Paul stated that he didn’t support racism but in principal that’s consistent with his Libertarian views he didn’t agree with government intrusion into the private business sector. One can disagree with his Libertarian positions but painting him as a racist is without basis.
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 8th, 2013
7:40 am
That was one of the more humiliating delusional Del episodes that I’ve seen here.
Clueless, hapless, helpless.
And how utterly appropriate that the equally so td, goes ostrich about Rand’s White Supremacist past – the salient point of the discussion – to post some nonsense about what a libertarian is.
Until they get rid of the type of people who do not care about their Klan-connected past and still existing elements in that party, they will be …………………………… wait for it ……………… the minority party in this country.
Oh sweet irony.
A kickbutt tune courtesy of Normal…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTdiq61-VOQ
Recon 0311 2533
March 8th, 2013
7:48 am
Jamvet, You live in a world of delusion. Your rants are nothing more than a regurgitation of the far-left propaganda that seems to have enslaved your brain.
Gale
March 8th, 2013
7:50 am
What a skewed world we live in, when left of center moderates are deemed far-left.
stands for decibels
March 8th, 2013
7:51 am
mornin’.
Did you know that the only word that is an anagram of itself is “stifle”?
The fliest girl in town told me that’s not true, Kcin.
stands for decibels
March 8th, 2013
7:56 am
Mind you, I’m not going to give Kcin a hard time for thinking there is only one word that is an anagram of “itself.”
There’s another guy in town, though, who filets such folk.
Stevie Ray
March 8th, 2013
7:57 am
So what’s going on with President Doom today? 100,000 teachers will be fired, children will still starve, 70,000 preschoolers on the streets…YES WE CAN!
stands for decibels
March 8th, 2013
7:59 am
left of center moderates are deemed far-left.
Left of center?
I agree with the sentiment, but let’s see things plain–what would be considered “conservative” in most of the civilized world gets called “socialist” by elected officials in this country.
Stevie Ray
March 8th, 2013
8:01 am
ODDOWL
Undocumented Americans do twice as much work as Americans for half the pay…. We should keep the illegals and deport an equal number of sorry arse Americans…
I wish I would have said that.. the line on the outbound express will be long and less than distinquished.
stands for decibels
March 8th, 2013
8:05 am
Hope you light a nice fire with that straw man you built @ 7.57, Stevie.
Here’s what an actual news source reported would be a likely expectation in the event that sequestration were to occur, per the White House (just something found googling for about two minutes):
It will be, Mr. Obama said Wednesday night, more of a “tumble downward” than a quick descent into budgetary nightmare. “It’s conceivable that in the first week, the first two weeks, the first three weeks, the first month, a lot of people may not notice the full impact of the sequester,” Mr. Obama told a group of business officials.
That might not be entirely true, as Mr. Obama noted, for some pockets of American society: companies who do business directly with the Defense Department, families who live near military installations and parents who rely on federally funded child care will be affected. Federal workers may soon face effective cuts of 10 percent or more in their salaries this year.
But even there, officials conceded this week, the specific impacts are more fuzzy than the aggregate ones. Ask officials about which contracts will be cut or which services will be trimmed back, and there are long pauses and blank looks.
“The impacts of sequester are real,” Jay Carney, the White House press secretary, said again and again to reporters on Thursday. “These are about real issues. These are about the concrete effects of policies on people’s lives.”
If you want to say there’s something irresponsible about that, feel free. But spare me the BS, ‘cuz I’ve had enough of that on this topic.
Gale
March 8th, 2013
8:05 am
Perhaps I should have pared that to “moderate”. I was kinda thinking of myself at the moment. I think of most moderates as being a tad left on some issues, a tad right on some issues, and not firmly in either camp. I think moderates are willing to listen to rational discussion based on facts. It is unfortunate that so many in the electorate are swayed by emotionally charged rants.
I was reading earlier about the US’s place in the world in various metrics. We need to stop deluding ourselves that we are first in the world and start making it so.
stands for decibels
March 8th, 2013
8:08 am
rand was worried about his rw radical extremist friends.
well, mostly Rand was worried about Rand. But even a dirty effing hippie like me can acknowledge that he did something worthwhile in drawing attention to these issues, and for reminding Americans what a filibuster is supposed to look like.
Welcome to the Occupation
March 8th, 2013
8:10 am
Morning ilks!
Welcome to the Occupation
March 8th, 2013
8:13 am
THIS ——> ODD OWL: “Undocumented Americans do twice as much work as Americans for half the pay…. We should keep the illegals and deport an equal number of sorry arse Americans”
Thomas Heyward Jr
March 8th, 2013
8:14 am
Those who paint anyone that is opposed to CRA legislation as Racist ……….should be laughed at………….and laughed at often.
Those who paint anyone that is opposed to CRA legiislation as Racist…….and STILL support the Kenysian Kenyen………………should be shown pity.
It isn’t easy going through life stupid and frightened.
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carry on.
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Stevie Ray
March 8th, 2013
8:14 am
stands for decibels
March 8th, 2013
8:05 am
Spare me the BS, I’ve had enough…
I guess that makes you the sun and us mere planets swirling around your greatness..
Anyhow, as much as you and your brethern want bad things to happen, most of them won’t…some will and some we don’t know.
Why did President Doom not accept opportunity to be responsible for specific cuts and work with his agency heads to make sure these prophecies are not fulfilled?
Normal, Plain and Simple
March 8th, 2013
8:16 am
Good morning Gale, I hope things are well with you.
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Y’all,
Gotta say I’m getting tired of seeing Jeb’s “Bush” every time I come back to check the blog. Wish Jay would change the thread…
stands for decibels
March 8th, 2013
8:17 am
We need to stop deluding ourselves that we are first in the world and start making it so.
I get your point, but even that mis-states the problem. I think we delude ourselves first and foremost into thinking that we are in more horrible economic shape than we are.
We are almost laughably prominent in terms of economic power we can and do routinely project in the world; yet we continue to govern ourselves as if we were some banana republic, just a bad crop away from hyperinflation, etc.
But yeah, we do need to learn just how horribly we are caring for our citizens, how badly stacked we’ve made it in favor of the plutocracy. That should not be a radical-left stance; I consider myself first and foremost a clear-eyed, rational observer who will consider all practical approaches to real problems.
REAL problems, not “oh we can’t have any new programs because we might have to increase the interest on a 10 year T-Bill to a dizzying 2.5% and then we become the next Zimbabwe…” that seems to be the default among the Very Serious People in Washington.
Normal, Plain and Simple
March 8th, 2013
8:17 am
Stevie Ray,
Two words… De. Caf. It’s too early to project that much anger….
stands for decibels
March 8th, 2013
8:18 am
Anyhow, as much as you and your brethern want bad things to happen
And you can stop lying about me, too.
Thomas Heyward Jr
March 8th, 2013
8:18 am
Here’s an example Stevie Ray of the Sequestor doom.
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Government thugs in Decatur are actually having to use their OWN PERSONAL STASH to frame fellow Obama-Bots.
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(They’re starting to eat their own)
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Dopes and Chains.
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=43094
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lol
stands for decibels
March 8th, 2013
8:20 am
Wish Jay would change the thread…
If Jay would simply hand the keys to someone else at the AJC, introduce that person as his Second In Command/Butt-boy Supremo, who could occasionally provide Fresh Threadies/Sheetz at times like these, that’d go a long way, I agree.
but let’s imagine for a moment, that you are managing a media company, and you’d like these a-holes who hang out at Jay’s to maybe sample some of the other goodies while Jay’s away. It wouldn’t be in your interest to do what we’re suggesting, now would it?
Stevie Ray
March 8th, 2013
8:21 am
Stands,
Jay Carney can’t even answer the tough questions BO avoids. If the presidents spokesman is your benchmark of truth…well that speaks volumes wouldn’t you agree? You believe everything you hear from all liberals or just select ones?
http://www.aim.org/don-irvine-blog/sequester-bluster-wapo-fact-checker-gives-obama-four-pinocchios/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/fact-checking-the-sequester-a-round-up/2013/03/06/8633f350-8688-11e2-9d71-f0feafdd1394_blog.html
Stevie Ray
March 8th, 2013
8:23 am
Normal, Plain and Simple
March 8th, 2013
8:17 am
I appreciate that…more sarcasm than anger…BO is beginning to provide more material than the GOP…..I’m starting to believe in climate change after all.
Starting my first cup of joe now….
Granny Godzilla
March 8th, 2013
8:23 am
Good Morning All
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“make a difference, think globally and act locally !! Make everyday International Women’s Day. Do your bit to ensure that the future for girls is bright, equal, safe and rewarding”
Love the ladies today guys……
DownInAlbany
March 8th, 2013
8:25 am
Matherbation, anyone?
Radio talk show host Ed Schultz…
SCHULTZ: It’s easy to say we gotta cut. We gotta cut! Let’s just cut! Cut more! Hell, let’s just cut everything! It’s easy to do that. But when you start affecting jobs and you start affecting people’s lives and you start affecting what people want, the people have to matter, OK? I mean, we have, we have to matter and the political element to all of this is, they want Obama to fail. Now you’ve got a budget of three and a half trillion dollars in this fiscal year. This will take $85 billion out of it. That’s damn near a third.
CALLER: Drop in the bucket.
SCHULTZ: Drop in the bucket? Really?
CALLER: Yeah.
SCHULTZ: OK, well, we can’t have this conversation then, because you’re not being honest to the facts. You can’t take 30, you can’t take 30 percent of operational money out and expect to have the same product. You can’t do it! It’s impossible!
Here’s the math problem: The federal government is spending between between $3.5 trillion and $4 trillion. No one knows precisely because Democrats haven’t created a budget since before the iPad was invented, if you can believe it.
Now substrate $85 billion from $3.5 trillion and you get a reduction of about 2 percent – not 30 percent and certainly not a third.
Or…
“We don’t need to be having something like sequestration that’s going to cause these jobs losses, over 170 million jobs that could be lost – and so he (Obama) made it very clear he’s not opposed to cuts, but cuts must be done over a long period of time and in a very planned way rather than this blunt cutting that will be done by sequestration,” said Maxine Waters. This woman has been serving in Congress for 22 years. How could she be so ignorant?
Worse yet, she serves as the ranking member of the House Committee on Financial Services and is part of the House Democratic leadership, serving as a member of the Steering and Policy Committee.
Stevie Ray
March 8th, 2013
8:26 am
Normal, Plain and Simple
March 8th, 2013
8:16 am
Could be worse…Newt, Akin, Boehner, Boxer, Pelosi…the list really is long…what is Jeb short for anyway?
Granny Godzilla
March 8th, 2013
8:26 am
Chaka Khan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8xuUdI1an0
Normal, Plain and Simple
March 8th, 2013
8:29 am
Stevie Ray,
Just a nickname… John Ellis “Jeb” Bush
Normal, Plain and Simple
March 8th, 2013
8:29 am
Enter your comments here
Looks like his initials
Welcome to the Occupation
March 8th, 2013
8:30 am
Just a reminder today to Thomas Heyward and others:
This is who the REAL parasites are:
Offshore Cash Hoard Expands by $183 Billion at Companies
The largest U.S.-based companies expanded their untaxed offshore stockpiles by $183 billion in the past year, increasing such holdings by 14.4 percent, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.
Microsoft Corp. (MSFT), Apple Inc. (AAPL) and Google Inc. (GOOG) each added to their non-U.S. holdings by more than 34 percent as they reaped the benefits of past maneuvers to earn and park profits in low- tax countries. Combined, those three companies alone plan to keep $134.5 billion outside the U.S. government’s reach, more than double the $59.3 billion they held two years earlier.
The build-up of offshore profits — totaling $1.46 trillion for the 83 companies examined — is increasing because of incentives in the U.S. tax code for booking profits offshore and leaving them there. The stockpiles complicate attempts to overhaul the tax system as lawmakers look for ways to bring the money home and discourage profit shifting.
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-08/offshore-cash-hoard-expands-by-183-billion-at-companies.html
stands for decibels
March 8th, 2013
8:30 am
If the presidents spokesman is your benchmark of truth
Will you please go get some kind of psychological counseling, Stevie?