Jeb Bush has a principled stand on immigration. Several, in fact.

Last summer, Jeb Bush was in favor of offering illegal immigrants a path to citizenship. As he told Charlie Rose:

“You have to deal with this issue. You can’t ignore it, and so either a path to citizenship, which I would support — and that does put me probably out of the mainstream of most conservatives — or a path to legalization, a path to residency of some kind.”

In his new book, “Immigration Wars: Forging an American Solution”, Bush comes out in stalwart opposition to citizenship.

“It is absolutely vital to the integrity of our immigration system that actions have consequences — in this case, that those who violated the law can remain but cannot obtain the cherished fruits of citizenship. To do otherwise would signal once again that people who circumvent the system can still obtain the full benefits of American citizenship.”

Today on “Morning Joe”, Bush was back to his initial position. Kind of … He repeatedly stressed that the book was written last year, as if something had happened recently to alter what in the book seems to be a strong, principle-based opposition to a path to citizenship. He also argued that a path to legalization would not create a magnet for future illegal immigration, while a path to citizenship somehow would.

“If you don’t have a difference between a path to citizenship or a path to legalization, you’re going to create a magnet going forward for more illegal immigration. So going forward — we wrote this last year — going forward, if there is a difference, if you can craft that in law where you can have a path to citizenship where there isn’t an incentive for people to come illegally, I’m for it. I don’t have a problem with that.”

A couple of points:

1.) The Bush flip-flop-flip has angered veterans of Mitt Romney’s campaign, which last year felt stranded on unpopular ground with the candidate’s “self-deportation” approach.

“Where the hell was this Jeb Bush during the campaign?” one advisor told the Miami Herald. “He spent all this time criticizing Romney and it turns out he has basically the same position. So he wants people to go back to their country and apply for citizenship? Well, that’s self deportation. We got creamed for talking about that. And now Jeb is saying the same thing.”

2.) The distinction that Bush attempts to draw between legalization and citizenship in fact has little real consequence. Those who have immigrated here illegally were drawn by jobs, the chance to escape Third World living conditions or greater opportunity for their children. Getting U.S. citizenship was way, way down on their list. A nice possibility, maybe, but hardly a deciding factor.

The notion that a path to legalization would be a less powerful magnet than a path to citizenship makes no sense, and Bush is smart enough to know it. But when you’re caught tacking to the right when the political winds are blowing left, and when you have ambitions of becoming the third consecutive Republican president named Bush, you have to scramble a bit.

– Jay Bookman

2,197 comments Add your comment

Peadawg

March 5th, 2013
3:04 pm

A politician flip-flops.

Yawn.

getalife

March 5th, 2013
3:05 pm

Just like romney.

stands for decibels

March 5th, 2013
3:06 pm

The Bush flip-flop-flip has angered veterans of Mitt Romney’s campaign

The mind boggles that we live in a world where the opinions of such people actually matter.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 5th, 2013
3:07 pm

WHAT PART OF ILLEGAL DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?!?!?!

There — that is now out of the way.

stands for decibels

March 5th, 2013
3:07 pm

the third consecutive Republican president named Bush

Vote Jeb. He couldn’t possibly f-ck things up worse than his brother.

getalife

March 5th, 2013
3:07 pm

The last thing our country needs is another bush disaster.

They call me MISTER JamVet.

March 5th, 2013
3:10 pm

The Bush flip-flop-flip has angered veterans of Mitt Romney’s campaign, who were left trying to deal with the aftermath of Willard’s endless flip-flop-flips.

Vacillation, thy name is Republican. (Not to be confused with Vaseline, which is in very short supply in the right wing!)

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 5th, 2013
3:11 pm

Jeb is still a “Bush”, and therefore tainted…sorry.

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 5th, 2013
3:11 pm

Stands,

That would make an excellent bumper sticker :lol:

Half Century Dawg

March 5th, 2013
3:11 pm

well I guess his position is evolving

getalife

March 5th, 2013
3:12 pm

“Graham: Bush Move ‘Undercuts What We’re Trying To Do’”

Time to flip flop again.

stands for decibels

March 5th, 2013
3:13 pm

I think the GOPers should continue running candidates who are embarrassed by their real first names.

Jay

March 5th, 2013
3:13 pm

On a programming note, I’ll be taking the rest of the week off, so posting will be sparse. I’ll leave commenting open, so try to restrain your inner Freds. Also, I’ll be sure to post a Friday music thread. Gotta keep the tradition alive as long as technology allows.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 5th, 2013
3:13 pm

Well, I’m sorry, but I hope Jeb don’t run. The reason is because his brother was so super-perfect as President that Jeb could never measure up. I mean, everybody’s calling GWB the bestest President ever. That is, everybody that likes wars and real low housing prices and real high unemployment.

I could go on and on but I think I see a shoe headed for my head.

Peadawg

March 5th, 2013
3:14 pm

Jay, any news on when the blog registration will start?

getalife

March 5th, 2013
3:14 pm

Unfortunately we are out of leaders so could see a Clinton vs bush in 16 with Hillary crushing bush.

Jay

March 5th, 2013
3:15 pm

Haven’t heard a word, Pea. I’ll have to be trained on the new software first, and that hasn’t been scheduled yet, so draw your own conclusions.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 5th, 2013
3:15 pm

On a programming note, I’ll be taking the rest of the week off, so posting will be sparse.

Dang! Bookman’s getting furloughed too?

stands for decibels

March 5th, 2013
3:16 pm

I’ll leave commenting open, so try to restrain your inner Freds

heh, heh, heh.

Brosephus™

March 5th, 2013
3:16 pm

Dumbasses don’t realize that the “path” already exists. I sometimes think that politicians should at least know ONE thing about the law they’re trying to talk about. Unless Conservatives are intent on a complete rewrite of the Immigration and Nationality Act, the pathway to citizenship will still be there.

They call me MISTER JamVet.

March 5th, 2013
3:17 pm

Unless Obama “decides” that the Icelanders bought yellowcake uranium from the Filipinos and invades them on a whim, I predict that there is NO WAY IN HELL, that the GOP can win the White House in 2016.

It barely matters who the Republican-lites run.

And the neocons?

The only suspense will be if the next slate of candidates is as absurd and laughable as the last two…

Granny Godzilla

March 5th, 2013
3:17 pm

Poor Jeb.

He’ll never be President, though he might have been marginally better that either George.

Stuff like this and his education foundation connections to ALEC, his involvement in the Savings and Loan debacle and his various “scandals” while Governor of Florida.

southpaw

March 5th, 2013
3:17 pm

Now that “illegal” is out of the way, a few more things to get out of the way:
Record Dow!
Those people!
Surrender!
Small manhood on men who like guns!
Small manhood on women who like guns!
Benghazi!
What?
Stupid!
Not intended to be a factual statement!

Now…let the games begin. I wonder how many future comments I’ve predicted in advance.

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Normal, Plain and Simple

March 5th, 2013
3:20 pm

One would think Jay has gone over to the dark side, given these last tow posts… :D

stands for decibels

March 5th, 2013
3:20 pm

Dumbasses don’t realize that the “path” already exists.

Remember: John Ellis Bush is the “smart” one.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 5th, 2013
3:21 pm

126 Highway 400 N, Dawsonville GA 30534

Well, Ryan’s is not really in Cumming, but it’s close.

Fly-On-The-Wall

March 5th, 2013
3:21 pm

Is Jeb having a Romney “I’m running for President for gosh sakes, I can’t have illegals working here” moment?

Soothsayer

March 5th, 2013
3:22 pm

“The last thing our country needs is another bush disaster.”

On the contrary. No one has done more the Democratic Party than King Dumbass the First.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 5th, 2013
3:23 pm

Those people!

Hey! What’s wrong with that as a response?

stands for decibels

March 5th, 2013
3:24 pm

>> Those people!

> Hey! What’s wrong with that as a response?

The “P” is supposed to be capitalized.

getalife

March 5th, 2013
3:24 pm

They decided this reality show called Jay Bookman’s blog is a hit so they will not change it yet.

I declare this blog a no lie zone while Jay is gone.

Brosephus™

March 5th, 2013
3:26 pm

Remember: John Ellis Bush is the “smart” one.

Well, I think dumbass is higher on the intelligence chart when compared to idiot savant. I’ll have to go to the chart to verify that though. :lol:

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 5th, 2013
3:27 pm

I declare this blog a no lie zone while Jay is gone.

Well, I say if you don’t like td’s stuff don’t read it. But don’t ban him from the whole blog.

stands for decibels

March 5th, 2013
3:27 pm

I declare this blog a no lie zone while Jay is gone.

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png

getalife

March 5th, 2013
3:28 pm

It is all about jeb today on the corporate news network.

He can’t make eye contact when he talks and looks shifty to me.

Pretty much like willard romney.

josef

March 5th, 2013
3:28 pm

I guess he could say” “I’m of mixed opinions on immigration.”

IMAM

So, where are you off to?

K’CHAK

Looks like the SCV gris-gris worked.

NORMAL

Answered you on Dred Scott downstairs…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 5th, 2013
3:29 pm

Over/under for how many days until Paul breaks the blog?

getalife

March 5th, 2013
3:30 pm

No banning while Jay is gone.

Fred’s drinking buddies can keep him in line.

We got this Jay.

Latrina

March 5th, 2013
3:30 pm

Folks no appreciates the contributions immigrant labor makes more than me. My roofers, painters and landscape guys are all Hispanic immigrants and I’d be lost without ‘em.

But the law’s the law. If we’re not going to deport the illegals then we need to change the law. This business of just looking the other way year after year is just nuts.

josef

March 5th, 2013
3:31 pm

Hopefully the two-toed cretins down to the tech dept at the Hubbard Daily News are getting the message. Some things that ain’t broke don’t need to be fixed…doubtful, of course, but hope still springs eternal…

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 5th, 2013
3:31 pm

Over/under for how many days until Paul breaks the blog?

Don’t know about days but I got dibs on 1292 posts. Like alot of people on here do, I pulled that one out of my rear end.

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 5th, 2013
3:32 pm

Josef,
I saw, thanks. I told Scout I was reading
“Empire of the Summer Moon: Quanah Parker and the Rise and Fall of the Comanches, the Most Powerful Indian Tribe in American History ”

Have you read it yet? It’s hard for me to put down

Jm

March 5th, 2013
3:32 pm

A. Yes jeb is running
B. do you have to attack him already? 2016 is still four years away.
C. Jay has been reason politico, the last invited reference

So whoever it was that accused politico of being a Fox News bull horn should probably point that out to jay as well

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 5th, 2013
3:32 pm

Fred’s drinking buddies can keep him in line.

I’ve had several beers with Fred and it’s safe to say that what you see is what you get.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jk7wiDGuiQ

DannyX

March 5th, 2013
3:33 pm

YIKES!!! Another Bush wants to be president.

Jeb’s plan:

1. Take out his Etch-a-Sketch and erase all his moderate views.

2. Become besties with the Limbaugh crowd.

3. Try to out clown the other Republican candidates during primary season.

4. Win Republican nomination.

5. Take out his Etch-a-Sketch again, shake real good and carve back in his moderate positions, in fact becoming even more moderate than before.

6. Lose in landslide to Hillary.

stands for decibels

March 5th, 2013
3:33 pm

B. do you have to attack him already?

I was going to say “Jm, those jokes ain’t gonna write themselves,” but maybe they will.

getalife

March 5th, 2013
3:34 pm

My friend from New York is back and he is doing some roof work.

He hired Latinos and they are working hard.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 5th, 2013
3:34 pm

Restrain your inner Fred? I talked with Ms. Fred and she said that ropes just make him mad and rancy. I suggest something in one of his sauces.

skipper

March 5th, 2013
3:34 pm

Jay, thank goodness you ain’t lettin’ us down Friday…..for all our disagreements, man you know your tunes!!!

JohnnyReb

March 5th, 2013
3:35 pm

Jeb can forget about being the Repub nominee. There is too much at stake to run a Bush for president.

I’m OK with a path to citizenship as long as illegals already here are not put in front of those legally waiting.

I’m NOT OK with illegals drawing welfare, being put on Obamacare, etc. Those benefits should only go to citizens. If that creates some self deportation, then so be it.

Brosephus™

March 5th, 2013
3:36 pm

I’ve had several beers with Fred and it’s safe to say that what you see is what you get.

I second the motion!!

josef

March 5th, 2013
3:36 pm

GETALIFE

“Fred’s drinking buddies can keep him in line.”

Oh, ye of too much faith!

LATRINA

“My roofers, painters and landscape guys are all Hispanic immigrants and I’d be lost without ‘em.”

“This business of just looking the other way year after year is just nuts.

I assume you’re posting from Bethlem? :-)

They call me MISTER JamVet.

March 5th, 2013
3:38 pm

If the Hubbard Daily News (LOL, I don’t even know what that means, but wtf?!) really does shut down the Music Man, I’m gonna go all ATF on ‘em and go down to their building and blast ‘em with endless AC/DC at about 130 dBs like they did that psycho in Waco!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2AC41dglnM

Cheesy Grits

March 5th, 2013
3:38 pm

It’s a new all-time high: Dow smashes through 14,198

Let the good times roll !!!!

Thank you Obama !!!!!

Brosephus™

March 5th, 2013
3:39 pm

I’m OK with a path to citizenship as long as illegals already here are not put in front of those legally waiting.

I’ve explained it a few times, and I’ll try again.

When it comes to the “line”, it’s not a matter of who the person is, it’s all about who’s petitioning for them to live here. If someone without status marries a Legal Permanent Resident, the LPR can apply for them to become an LPR as well. If the same thing happens at the same time with a US citizen spouse, then the US citizen’s petition takes precedence, regardless to who it is.

If you don’t want anybody jumping the line, then you would need Congress to change the entire Immigration and Nationality Act. As it currently stands, there is already a pathway to citizenship, complete with line jumping and all.

getalife

March 5th, 2013
3:40 pm

Hope springs eternal on Fred.

jm,

Yes, everything is politics these days so it is not too early to attack jeb.

josef

March 5th, 2013
3:40 pm

NORMAL

Yes. I’ve always found it interesting that in that standard list of “famous Indians every white/black person should know” (and don’t get me started on THAT) how seldom Quanah Parker appears.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 5th, 2013
3:41 pm

“We have to elect him to know what’s in his mind?” – Nancy Pelosi

Gawd forbid

Matti

March 5th, 2013
3:42 pm

“Jeb Bush. Because America needs someone w/the integrity of Mitt Romney & the genes of George W. Bush.” — LOLGOP

josef

March 5th, 2013
3:42 pm

ZamVet

I’ll go for that…! Oh, and Hubbard Daily News? Oh, just a reference to my favorite Leftie Steel Magnolia’s take on things here in Dixie… :-)

JohnnyReb

March 5th, 2013
3:42 pm

Brosephus – I yield to you on current law, but they are talking about a new law. And, what I hear from Rubio is that present illegals would have to go to the back of the line. That stated, there will likely always be political exceptions – they like to feel powerful.

JohnnyReb

March 5th, 2013
3:43 pm

I see you guys are having Fred fun. Where is Fred? Banned again?

alittlecommonsense

March 5th, 2013
3:45 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 5th, 2013
3:45 pm

Banned again?

Not that I know of.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 5th, 2013
3:45 pm

Johnny wants in the Fun with Fred fan club without paying his dues and going through initiation?

Jay

March 5th, 2013
3:46 pm

My father in law is a proud native of Quanah, Texas, named for the dreaded Parker. It is also the ancestral home of the Koch brothers…

Matti

March 5th, 2013
3:47 pm

Jm
March 5th, 2013
3:32 pm

A. Yes jeb is running
B. do you have to attack him already?
_____

Wait…. what? Is this the same “Jm” who attacked Rep. John Lewis for missing a vote when his WIFE passed away? Who then doubled down on the personal-character attack after being informed of this tidbit?

JohnnyReb

March 5th, 2013
3:47 pm

No desire to be in fun with Fred club. He and I have locked horns more than once.

josef

March 5th, 2013
3:48 pm

JohnnyReb

“Banned again?”
Not sure. What day is it? What time of that day is it? Gotta do the Fred check right along with the weather and the dow!

Brosephus™

March 5th, 2013
3:48 pm

JReb

That’s my point. To do what they’re expressing will take a complete rewrite of the INA. Something of that magnitude will take years, maybe even decades, based on the current idiocy that rules DC. I see the chances of a complete overhaul as slim to none.

josef

March 5th, 2013
3:49 pm

JAY

Nothing quite like Texas, is there? :-)

JohnnyReb

You ain’t nobody here until you’ve locked horns with Fred!

Normal, Plain and Simple

March 5th, 2013
3:50 pm

Jay, Josef,

They were some bad dudes! They pretty much singlehandedly stopped the northward advancement of the Spanish into southwest America.
—–

Off for home, if I don’t get back, have a great evening.

Adam

March 5th, 2013
3:51 pm

Stand on principle! Everyone must self deport! This will surely win more elections for conservatives! The real problem is that they aren’t EXPLAINING themselves well enough…. etc

JohnnyReb

March 5th, 2013
3:52 pm

“Nothing quite like Texas, is there?”

Glenn Beck agrees. He moved lock, stock, barrel and studio to Dallas.

AmericaShrugged

March 5th, 2013
3:53 pm

Jeb Bush would probably be the worst candidate since John Kerry.

getalife

March 5th, 2013
3:54 pm

Figures the koch’s are from Texas and said the cuts will help our economy.

That is total bs but all we will get from those two Texans.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

March 5th, 2013
3:54 pm

SO NOW EVEN ROMNEY IS BLAMING BUSH……… WHAT TOOK THEM SO LONG

TBS

March 5th, 2013
3:54 pm

“Glenn Beck agrees. He moved lock, stock, barrel and studio to Dallas.”

Well that was after he was dismissed from Fox, but all in all he is welcome to move where he thinks it is best for him.

They call me MISTER JamVet.

March 5th, 2013
3:54 pm

Latino vote in 2012:

BHO – 71%
WMR – 27%

But as horrific as that stat is, in and of itself, the news get even worse for the GOP.

Since 2008, the number of registered Latinos has increased by 26%. And the Latino voter turnout in 2008 was a record as they now represent about 9% of American voters.

This ain’t looking good for the once Grand Old Party.

Just as with portfolios, diversify or die…

getalife

March 5th, 2013
3:55 pm

beck’s cult going to be in Dallas?

Daedalus

March 5th, 2013
3:55 pm

Let’s tee it up!

Time for some golf.

getalife

March 5th, 2013
3:56 pm

He should move his cult to Waco.

Thomas Heyward Jr

March 5th, 2013
3:56 pm

From BreitBart———————

“Former Florida Governor Jeb Bush said he would strive to be like Lyndon Johnson, the Democrat famous for expanding the U.S. welfare state through the “Great Society,” if he were elected president.

According to the Miami Herald, Bush made those comments Wednesday night in San Antonio, Florida at Saint Leo University, while speaking about education, immigration, and energy policy.”
.
Bush 3.
I luagh out loud.
Then I think of Obama Opologists………………and I laugh out louder.

Adam

March 5th, 2013
3:56 pm

UNCLE SAMANTHA: SO NOW EVEN ROMNEY IS BLAMING BUSH…

The truth can only remain hidden for so long before even the naysayers start to accept it.

See: views on black people, gay people, evolution, and climate change.

These are my favorite examples of following a pattern of excuses for opposition until all the excuses run dry.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 5th, 2013
3:56 pm

Glenn Beck agrees. He moved lock, stock, barrel and studio to Dallas.

Dallas? You sure its not Wacko? If he is locked in his bunker, I suggest someone prop a chair under the handle.

Gold sales to Texas crazies are bound to increase.

TBS

March 5th, 2013
3:58 pm

Reb

You put your up your earnest money on a house or condo in Beck’s “Independence USA” utopia?

stands for decibels

March 5th, 2013
3:58 pm

beck’s cult going to be in Dallas?

I’d think maybe they’ll be about a hundred miles or so south of there, actually.

stands for decibels

March 5th, 2013
3:59 pm

Jinx! cubed.

GT

March 5th, 2013
3:59 pm

The memories are giving me a headache.

stands for decibels

March 5th, 2013
4:00 pm

Bush for President
Now 30% Less Chimpy

josef

March 5th, 2013
4:01 pm

Speaking of Texas…my nephew who lived for several years in China and married a Chinese woman, took her on a road trip across the United States to introduce her to her new home. She’s polite and largely non-judgmental. But when it comes to Texas, she just shakes her head and says, “what is it with THEM?” Of our Texas family she said, “they’re really nice…but, they’re different…” :-)

Hoof Hearted

March 5th, 2013
4:01 pm

Has anyone picked up on this new distinction offered by some Republicans between “legalization” and “citizenship?” In other words, the two are not the same. Hmmmmm, I wonder why republicans would consider “legalization,” where the folks are legal to work and pay taxes, but not “citizenship” where they could do those same things AND have the right to vote? It is puzzling. . .

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 5th, 2013
4:02 pm

stands, sometimes they just write themselves (or is that Jay controlling our fingers under the new system?)

Thomas Heyward Jr

March 5th, 2013
4:02 pm

Via FBI,

On Monday, March, 4, 2013, at approximately 1:15 p.m., the pilot of Alitalia Flight #608 spotted a small, unmanned aircraft while on approach to John F. Kennedy International Airport. The Alitalia flight was roughly three miles from runway 31R when the incident occurred at an altitude of approximately 1,750 feet. The unmanned aircraft came within 200 feet of the Alitalia plane.

The FBI is investigating the incident and looking to identify and locate the aircraft and its operator. The unnamed aircraft was described as black in color and no more than three feet wide with four propellers.

“The FBI is asking anyone with information about the unmanned aircraft or the operator to contact us,” said Special Agent in Charge John Giacalone. “Our paramount concern is the safety of aircraft passengers and crew.”

Anyone with information is asked to call the FBI at 212-384-1000. Tipsters may remain anonymous.
.
I bet they could get it…… ifn it wasn’t for that dang sequestor.
.
tards.
.
lol

Fred ™

March 5th, 2013
4:02 pm

so try to restrain your inner Freds

(f)RED CARD

Delusional lick spittle

ass hat

Who else has added so much new life in the blog lol.

josef

March 5th, 2013
4:04 pm

Y’all better be nice about Waco…I’ve got low friends in high places there who’ll be more than happy to defend their image! :-)

Brosephus™

March 5th, 2013
4:05 pm

They call me MISTER JamVet.

March 5th, 2013
4:05 pm

Jeb?

My goodness.

They might as well trot out Brownback, Keyes, Huckabee, Newt and Herman again.

Or better yet, Jimmy Hoffa.

DOA…