“A range of mainstream American publications printed paid propaganda for the government of Malaysia, much of it focused on the campaign against a pro-democracy figure there.
The payments to conservative American opinion writers — whose work appeared in outlets from the Huffington Post and San Francisco Examiner to the Washington Times to National Review and RedState — emerged in a filing this week to the Department of Justice. The filing under the Foreign Agent Registration Act outlines a campaign spanning May 2008 to April 2011 and led by Joshua Trevino, a conservative pundit, who received $389,724.70 under the contract and paid smaller sums to a series of conservative writers….
Trevino’s subcontractors included conservative writer Ben Domenech, who made $36,000 from the arrangement, and Rachel Ehrenfeld, the director of the American Center for Democracy, who made $30,000. Seth Mandel, an editor at Commentary, made $5,500. Brad Jackson, writing at the time for RedState, made $24,700. Overall, 10 writers were part of the arrangement.”
You take secret, undisclosed money from a foreign government to write hit pieces in U.S. media against a man, in this case Anwar Ibrahim, who is struggling to bring democracy to his country and was beaten and imprisoned for years for daring to challenge the dictatorial government? (Russia has apparently run similar pay-to-say operations.)
Much of Trevino’s work under the Malaysian contract has been removed by the outlets that published it. But you can get a taste of its amoral quality from this piece that was published as a rebuttal to a Trevino column.
And here’s a Rachel Ehrenfeld piece, condemning Ibrahim for “careless sexual behavior” among other things.
We already know of course that “you can’t believe everything that’s on the Internet.” But paid agents of foreign governments masquerading as American journalists takes things to a dangerous level and says a lot about the character of those involved.
UPDATE: Among those named as receiving money from Malaysia in Trevino’s belated filing as a foreign agent is Christopher Badeaux. Here’s a small sampling of his Malaysia-related work at RedState.com:
“Najib Razak, the Prime Minister of Malaysia, has been on a more or less singular crusade to convince the Muslim world — and the West — that there is a path for moderate Islam in the world, that Islam does not equal terror, and that the taking of a life is contrary to Islam and civilization. His speech at Oxford was of a piece with that….
The salient point here is not whether we agree with the prime minister’s theological assertions, but rather we can appreciate the extraordinary effort he is making here, and the importance for the United States of his efforts.”
And:
In Malaysia, Anwar Ibrahim, the leader of Malaysia’s opposition, has apparently been caught in adultery, with video evidence that Dartmouth scientists say nearly certainly implicates him. The major dailies are calling on him to resign. For three years, after failing to topple the governing party in the 2008 elections, he has crisscrossed the planet telling anyone and everyone who would listen how corrupt and evil the governing party is. And yet despite all of this — despite his stated certainty that his opposition coalition of socialists, Islamists, and yuppie liberals is the only chance his country has to avoid certain doom at the hands of the centrist coalition that has been re-elected time and again in Malaysia, he has refused to resign.”
– Jay Bookman
1,428 comments Add your comment
Welcome to the Occupation
March 2nd, 2013
9:33 am
And to think Treviño was this close to landing a high profile blogging post for The Guardian. Wait, that’s a leftie rag, how could that be?
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
9:47 am
“and it’s all the leftist media’s fault in 5….4……3……
Oh crap, too late. Already happened.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 2nd, 2013
9:56 am
Everyone has a point of view but responsible outlets at least try to present some neutrality (cue the con parade about MSNBC while they trot out Fox which often has commentators who fail to disclose on air that they work for a person or organization that has an “agenda” in the commentary). Being paid to play, without disclosure, is just offensive.
N-GA
March 2nd, 2013
10:01 am
Jay- Let’s not be naive. Rush Limbaugh and most of the others do what they do for the money. You can’t possibly think they do it to make America a better place for average Americans.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 2nd, 2013
10:03 am
Jay, had to make one tweak.
We already know of course that “you can’t believe everything that’s on the Internet, but you can, apparently, believe anything bad about Obama in any spam mail.”
Moderate Line
March 2nd, 2013
10:15 am
Welcome to the Occupation
March 2nd, 2013
9:33 am
And to think Treviño was this close to landing a high profile blogging post for The Guardian. Wait, that’s a leftie rag, how could that be?
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He was fired by the Guardian. However, many left wing and right wing papers have token representation from the other side.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/03/joshua-trevinos-malay-payday-158247.html
zeke
March 2nd, 2013
10:16 am
I am blown away, Jay! You actually are critical of some media morons! All the media, or at least 90% of it in this country are so far up the rears of liberals, democrats, socialist and Obama that they cannot see the light of day! The media in the USA is pathetic!
Moderate Line
March 2nd, 2013
10:17 am
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
9:47 am
“and it’s all the leftist media’s fault in 5….4……3……
Oh crap, too late. Already happened.
++++
Saying someone worked for a left wing paper does not constitute blaming the “left wing media”, however, it seems you had no problem with Jay linking the reporters to be conservative or putting words in their mouth.
Cherokee
March 2nd, 2013
10:25 am
First of all, Jay didn’t call them conservatives, he just reprinted part of the original article from Buzzfeed.
But more importantly, the folks he listed are conservatives. So why the fuss?
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
10:26 am
it seems you had no problem with Jay linking the reporters to be conservative or putting words in their mouth.
I would suggest you haven’t a damn clue as to what I have a problem with. When I need someone to speak for me, IE put words in my mouth, or teach me how to be a hypocrite I’ll let you know and you can send me your resume. Until then, hush with the things you know nothing about.
Sorry I offended you in your “other” name. I didn’t mean to out you.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
March 2nd, 2013
10:28 am
Well, I’m just flummoxed! Just because we got a bunch of journalists on the Chinese Commie payroll and shilling for the Kenyan Marxist President is no reason to blast a few Conservative writers that want to make a few bucks on the side. I bet they prayed hard before they wrote their stuff. That just happened to side with the gnu mint of Mayalsia.
Anyhow, with the butt-whomping we took in November, us Conservatives need all the help we can get. If the gunmint of Maylasia wants to chip in a few bucks then I say good for them. We’re dying out here, folks, and I say, Keep sending the money! Our press can’t be bought but they won’t quibble over getting a little rent.
That’s my opinion and it’s very true. Have a good Saturday everybody.
Jay
March 2nd, 2013
10:29 am
If anybody would care to dispute the fact that these are conservative writers, please, make your case while I get another cup of coffee….
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think
March 2nd, 2013
10:30 am
What do you expect? The greenback is the deity of the Right. It doesn’t matter how they get them, just as long as they do. Hollow victories…
M
March 2nd, 2013
10:37 am
The whole “ZOMG LIBRUL MEDIA” argument is SO tiresome…especially when conservative pundits and leaders have *admitted* using it as a scare tactic.
Moderate Line
March 2nd, 2013
10:38 am
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
10:26 am
it seems you had no problem with Jay linking the reporters to be conservative or putting words in their mouth.
I would suggest you haven’t a damn clue as to what I have a problem with. When I need someone to speak for me, IE put words in my mouth, or teach me how to be a hypocrite I’ll let you know and you can send me your resume. Until then, hush with the things you know nothing about.
Sorry I offended you in your “other” name. I didn’t mean to out you.
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No one needs to be taught how to be a hypocrite. We are all naturally hypocritical. We just don’t like when it is pointed out. I am not so self-righteous as to believe I am not hypocritical.
Also, personal attacks are usually are more of a reflection on the person making an attack than the person being attacked. The only defense you have is a personal attack.
Also, I pointed out to Occupation that someone writing for a left wing paper does not mean that they are left wing.
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
10:39 am
Bonnie Franklin died. I guess after finding out she had cancer she had to take it “One Day at a Time.”
I could be mistaken, but I think hers was the first show that depicted life as a single mother in a semi realistic way. RIP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8xgDgTBmtI
M
March 2nd, 2013
10:42 am
“The reaction of Southern conservatives to these news reports, however, was a little different. The problem, they said, isn’t segregation, it’s the way a Northern press infected with integrationist sympathies reports it. Of course, that was hogwash. Segregation was exposed and, eventually, ended. But in the embers of an ideological defeat, conservatives found a handy bit of linguistic Jujitsu. If the facts prove inconvenient, don’t argue them. Instead, shift the focus and question the integrity of the fact-finder. If you’re successful, then in one broad stroke you may be able to disqualify the facts without ever having to argue them on the merits.”
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/anson-kaye/2013/02/28/the-media-arent-a-liberal-conspiracy
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
10:47 am
Also, personal attacks are usually are more of a reflection on the person making an attack than the person being attacked. The only defense you have is a personal attack.
Bull crap. Your self righteous blather is just that. Self righteous blather. you talk about putting Jay putting words in someones mouth in the same sentence as you hypocritically put words in my mouth. I didn’t personally attack you ANYWHERE. I merely pointed out your reprehensible behavior.
I find that many people who have their noses rubbed in the blatant hypocrisy of their written word consider it a “personal attack.” I wonder why that is? Are we supposed to pretend that your blatant hypocrisy and misrepresentation of what we said is correct? I think not.
Perhaps you should brush up on your comprehension skills and your logic. Here let me help you with the logic part:
https://www.coursera.org/course/intrologic
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
10:47 am
Most of these “opinion” writers do it for the money. Even a$$hats like Ann Coulter do it for the money, simply because they know they can stoke the animosities of the feeble minded and get paid in return. It’s no different than paying a carnival barker for getting people to pay for tickets to the carnival.
If there’s no laws broken, then there isn’t much to be done in this case. We all know that ethics in media died, for the most part, a long time ago. Not a personal strike at you Jay, but all you have to do is look at the “centrist” dodge that the media have been employing in the whole sequester crap as proof. There have been very few who have actually laid out the Constitutional and real world reality of how all that started and how it has to be ended.
—————
“All the media, or at least 90% of it in this country are so far up the rears of
liberals, democrats, socialist and Obamatheir corporate ownership groups that they cannot see the light of day!”Somebody forgot to put both legs into their pants this morning. The “Flo Jo” aka Florence Griffith Joyner look faded out in the 80s, so don’t be afraid to put both pant legs on.
1811, etc.
March 2nd, 2013
10:55 am
“But paid agents of foreign governments masquerading as American journalists takes things to a dangerous level and says a lot about the character of those involved.”
1811, etc.
March 2nd, 2013
10:56 am
1811, etc.
“Joeseph Kennedy under fire for praising Chavez”
And I thought Jay might post a thread this morning on this sleeze !
Boy was I wrong !
1811, etc.
March 2nd, 2013
10:57 am
But, it’s better than MARTA or charter schools in Georgia.
pete
March 2nd, 2013
10:57 am
When Obama is mad, that makes me smile. How dare those mean old Republicans even mention the words ’spending cuts’.
Apparently Mr. "Jedi mind meld" is not 'some people', or perhaps he mis-spoke aka lied???
March 2nd, 2013
10:57 am
March 1 — “We will get through this,” he [Obama] told reporters. “This is not going to be an apocalypse as some people have said.
February 19 — Obama decried this “meat-cleaver approach,” which he said will “jeopardize our military readiness” and “eviscerate job-creating investments in education and energy and medical research.” The ability of emergency personnel “to help communities respond to and recover from disasters will be degraded,” Obama declared. “Border Patrol agents will see their hours reduced. FBI agents will be furloughed. Federal prosecutors will have to close cases and let criminals go. Air traffic controllers and airport security will see cutbacks, which means more delays at airports across the country. Thousands of teachers and educators will be laid off. Tens of thousands of parents will have to scramble to find child care for their kids. Hundreds of thousands of Americans will lose access to primary care and preventive care like flu vaccinations and cancer screenings.”
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
11:00 am
Brocephus: You can tell your WIFE you have that picture for the one legged pants style, but I know it’s so you can look at FloJo’s big butt……….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ImZTwYwCug
1811, etc.
March 2nd, 2013
11:02 am
And talk about selling your soul for money !
“Al Gore’s Current TV was purchased by Al-Jazeera Wednesday. Gore will now sit on the advisory board of the new channel: Al-Jazeera America.”
Reportedly $500 million.
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
11:03 am
1811ect……… Scout is that you?
1811, etc.
March 2nd, 2013
11:04 am
Conservative American opinion writers = bad.
Joeseph Kennedy, Al Gore, et al = good.
Translation: More hypocrisy from Jay.
1811, etc.
March 2nd, 2013
11:04 am
Fred:
Yes, that’s me.
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
11:04 am
Fred
1811, etc.
March 2nd, 2013
11:05 am
Here’s the full me:
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
11:05 am
1811ect……… Scout is that you?
Doesn’t the postings give that away???
M
March 2nd, 2013
11:06 am
Al-jazeera is way better than American news outlets at actually reporting news.
TM
March 2nd, 2013
11:07 am
Sounds like they are following the playbook written by George Soros- wait doe Soros disclose which liberal talkers he has given money to support???
M
March 2nd, 2013
11:08 am
Soros! Drink. (Coffee, it’s early)
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
11:09 am
I guess I shouldn’t be surprised, after all a wh0re’s gotta eat.
pete
March 2nd, 2013
11:10 am
I think the tables are beginning to turn on Obama. This sequester game is not going the way they pictured it going. A miserable Obama (and his supporters) is a good thing for our country.
TBS
March 2nd, 2013
11:11 am
Bro @ 11:05
A rabbit hole is a rabbit hole is a rabbit hole
Moderate Line
March 2nd, 2013
11:11 am
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
10:47 am
Also, personal attacks are usually are more of a reflection on the person making an attack than the person being attacked. The only defense you have is a personal attack.
Bull crap. Your self righteous blather is just that. Self righteous blather. you talk about putting Jay putting words in someones mouth in the same sentence as you hypocritically put words in my mouth.
Where did put any words in Jay’s mouth. Someone stated that Treveino worked for a left wing rag and you make a statement that someone is “blaming the left wing media” You put words in their mouth.
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
10:47 am
Also, personal attacks are usually are more of a reflection on the person making an attack than the person being attacked. The only defense you have is a personal attack.
Bull crap. Your self righteous blather is just that. Self righteous blather. Speaking of self-righteous blather. put words in my mouth, or teach me how to be a hypocrite I’ll let you know and you can send me your resume/I>. -
I admit we are all self-righteous and hypocrites but yet I am the one who is self-righteous and hypocritical.
I find that many people who have their noses rubbed in the blatant hypocrisy of their written word consider it a “personal attack.” I wonder why that is? Are we supposed to pretend that your blatant hypocrisy and misrepresentation of what we said is correct? I think not.
I agree with you which must be why you are so upset when I pointed out how you did not have problem with Jay’s comments about these writers being conservative but as soon as soon as someone links one to a liberal newspaper you have a problem. The problem I have with occupation statement is the Guardian actually fired him and even FOX has their token liberals so his statement really proves nothing.
I am not really sure where you really pointed out anything I said was hypocritical. You just merely called me hypocritical, however, I do admit to being hypocritical as we all are and actually appreciate when people point it out so if you have a specific problem with my logic instead of a general dismissal then let me know.
Thanks-
td
March 2nd, 2013
11:12 am
Can you say Open Society Foundations and all the money they spread to the media to ensure a progressive agenda is being well written about.
Bob Loblaw
March 2nd, 2013
11:13 am
This insubordination should be met with these writer’s immediate termination. I would bet that the IRS will be calling, too, to talk about these enormous amounts of money and whether or not their tax returns reflect that. The “adultery” story, if false or partially false is especially disgusting.
Again, if this is true, I would hope that whatever “Press Associations” are out there ought to do the equivalent of a disbarment for these writers. The forums that these writers put these articles/columns/blog entries on ought to be sued for negligence if they did not accurately check the facts in editing their writer’s work.
The fact that a lot of my conservative colleagues and I receive “news” from these writers is especially disturbing. After watching a fall where Fox News basically ran Romney Pep Rallies only to get beat and leave their viewers stunned at reality, the conservatives that are feeding the news are on thin ice.
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
11:14 am
Scout, Brocephus: Yeah but I wanted to be sure before I posted to him lol. I like the 4 numbers better than the six million lol.
So anyway scout………. I can’t find anything WRITTEN on Joe. When I googled it everything came back to the same video from ABC I think. Ihate watching videos and prefer to read. Did you find anything written? I loves to hate me some Chavez lol and don’t care much for those idiot Kennedy’s………
M
March 2nd, 2013
11:14 am
The sequester is going fine for Obama. He’s essentially gotten Republicans to admit that spending cuts will be bad for the economy, and he’s gotten at least a plurality of Americans to assign blame for any misery that comes from the cuts to the GOP.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
11:14 am
…and even FOX has their token liberals…
And the Harlem Globetrotters had the Washington Generals.
1811, etc.
March 2nd, 2013
11:16 am
Brosephus:
“M” at 11:06 makes my point but since he/she/it/both must be including the AJC it can’t be all bad
!!!
This thread topic is just more liberal bias by Jay with his blinders on for the Kennedys, Gore’s, et al .
Pretty pathetic.
Off and out into the cold to walk “Scout” my boxer …………..
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
11:18 am
I am not really sure where you really pointed out anything I said was hypocritical.
That is because in your self righteousness you REFUSE to see it. Everyone else can though. Thanks for playing. I lack time to talk to those who lack morals and intellectual integrity.
Also work on your html skills.That last post was indecipherable do to the scripting errors.
Welcome to the Occupation
March 2nd, 2013
11:20 am
pete: “second value is with the rear seat folded down and the vehicle loaded up to roof height).”
You actually think this sequester outcome is NOT what Obama wants? Wow. You’re very easily misled.
You remind me of the liberals, thinking this is such a big miscalculation for Obama and not what Obama wants when it’s obvious – this is EXACTLY what he wants. He wants HUGE cuts. And now he’s got them, but without the public knowing it’s what he wanted.
Where do you and the liberals get this idea Obama doesn’t want these cuts when it’s what he’s been saying he wants since he came into office?
Guess it’s because you have your own cardboard image of who Obama is supposed to be, just like liberals.
TBS
March 2nd, 2013
11:20 am
Scout
You do know that you are welcome to start you own blog and pick the topics.
Do you think Kyle Wingfield or any other right leaning Op Ed writer brings his political bias to the table or just Jay and the left leaning Op Ed writers?
“The ‘Scout’ doth protest too much”
TM
March 2nd, 2013
11:22 am
Jay -this is the better headline from TPM- Our Commander in Chief can’t tell the truth again–
“WaPo Fact Checker Gives Obama 4 Pinocchios For Janitor Claim”
CJ Savvy
March 2nd, 2013
11:24 am
What’s new? The Malaysian ruling regime is desperate to win the next general elections. Covert actions, such as paying journalistic mercenaries to write falsities about the opposition leader, will not change the electorate’s mind. They are done with the plunderers of the nation’s wealth. Democratic western governments, the USA included, should take a stand.
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
11:24 am
Brochephus @ 10:47: Well nicely put. LOL not just the FloJo pic. An opinion piece is an opinion piece, doesn’t matter which side writes it, it is SUPPOSED to be slanted.
BUT……. as soon as I read teh piece I says to myself……. how long before someone lacking brains will cry …… “but but but LEFT WING MEDIA or BENGHAZI” rather than take the time to point out what you did in a clear and concise manner. LOL lo and behold I found it in the first post which was by Moderate Line/Welcome to the Occupation.
Also, do you have any idea why those who use screen names that suggest neutrality are overwhelmingly anything BUT? It would be like me using the screen name Mr. Meek and Mild.
pete
March 2nd, 2013
11:24 am
Jay is nothing but a mouth piece and cheerleader for the liberal left. Everything in his world leans left. He has absolutely no balance to his writing.
Recon 0311 2533
March 2nd, 2013
11:24 am
Don’t know that much about Anwar Ibrahim other than he’s been an opposition party leader and evidently there’s been speculation about his sexual orientation but that could be just politics. Malaysia like Indonesia are both predominately Muslim have done a good job of controlling radical Islamic elements. Particularly the Malaysian government. Malaysia unlike Indonesia has a Muslim government but recognizes other religions. They have Sharia law for Muslims and civil laws for non-Muslims. Unlike many cities throughout Southeast Asia Kuala Lampur is clean, beautiful and safe. I’ve enjoyed visiting there and the people are friendly to Americans.
TBS
March 2nd, 2013
11:25 am
Scout
If you come back later, do you think “birther_central.com” (WND) that you have linked articles from numerous times is biased or fair reporting? If biased, how many emails have you sent to them or comments have you posted complaining about their bias?
Let me guess, you were going to post a comment once about their bias but you got busy and forgot…..
td
March 2nd, 2013
11:26 am
Top Journalists that Serve on Soros-Funded Boards of Directors or Advisers -
Center for Public Integrity
Board of Directors:
Christiane Amanpour – Anchor of ‘This Week with Christiane Amanpour,’ ABC’s Sunday morning political affairs program
Sheila Coronel – Director of The Toni Stabile Center for Investigative Journalism at Columbia University’s Graduate School of Journalism
Charles Eisendrath – Director of the Knight-Wallace Fellows and the Livingston Awards for Young Journalists at the University of Michigan
Arianna Huffington – President and Editor-in-Chief of Huffington Post Media Group, including: The Huffington Post, AOL Media and AOL Local properties
Jennifer 8. Lee – Author and nine-year veteran of The New York Times. She also serves on the Nieman Foundation advisory board
Charles Lewis -Founding executive editor of the new Investigative Reporting Workshop at American University’s School of Communication
Olivia Ma – News manager and part of the news and politics team at YouTube
Paula Williams Madison – Chairman and CEO of Madison Media Management LLC, recently retired from NBC Universal
Geneva Overholser – Director of the School of Journalism at the University of Southern California’s Annenberg School for Communication
Matt Thompson – Editorial product manager at National Public Radio and adjunct faculty member at the Poynter Institute
Advisory Council
Gustavo Godoy – Executive editor and publisher of Vista, a monthly magazine for Hispanic Americans
Kathleen Hall Jamieson – Walter H. Annenberg Dean of the Annenberg School for Communication of the University of Pennsylvania
Michele Norris – Host of NPR’s newsmagazine All Things Considered
Charles Piller – Senior investigative reporter for the Sacramento Bee
Ben Sherwood – ABC News president and former ‘Good Morning America’ executive producer
Center for Investigative Reporting
Board of Directors
Phil Bronstein – Director of Content Development & Editor-at-Large Hearst Newspapers
David Boardman – Executive Editor and Senior Vice President, The Seattle Times
Jon Funabiki – Professor of journalism at San Francisco State University
George Osterkamp – Producer for CBS News
Board of Advisers
Lowell Bergman – Producer/correspondent for PBS series ‘Frontline’ and professor of Investigative Reporting at University of California Berkeley’s Graduate School of Journalism
Sarah Cohen – Knight Professor of the Practice of Journalism and Public Policy at Duke University’s Sanford School of Public Policy. She is on the board of directors for Investigative Reporters and Editors
Len Downie – Vice president and former executive editor for The Washington Post
Elizabeth Farnsworth – Special correspondent for PBS ‘Newshour’
Seymour Hersh – Staff writer, The New Yorker
Dori Maynard – President, Maynard Institute
Bill Moyers – Host of ‘Bill Moyers Journal’ on PBS
Raul Ramirez – Executive Director, News and Public Affairs, KQED San Francisco
Orville Schell – Former dean of University of California Berkeley’s Graduate School of Journalism
Susan Stamberg – Special correspondent, National Public Radio
Mike Wallace – Recently retired from his work as a CBS ‘60 Minutes’ correspondent, is now a correspondent emeritus for CBS
Judy Woodruff – Co-anchor PBS ‘NewsHour’
ProPublica
Board of Directors
Alberto Ibargüen – President and CEO of the John S. and James L. Knight Foundation and former publisher of The Miami Herald and El Nuevo Herald
Journalism Advisory Board
Jill Abramson – New executive editor of The New York Times
David Boardman – Executive editor of the Seattle Times
John S. Carroll – Former editor of the Los Angeles Times and Baltimore Sun
L. Gordon Crovitz – Former publisher of The Wall Street Journal
David Gergen – Senior political analyst for CNN
Shawn McIntosh – Director of culture and change at The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Ellen Miller – Executive director of The Sunlight Foundation
Priscilla Painton – Editor-in-chief of Simon & Schuster
Allan Sloan – Senior editor-at-large for Fortune magazine
Kerry Smith – Senior vice president for editorial quality of ABC News
Cynthia A. Tucker – Editorial page editor for The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Business Advisory Council
William Pollak – CEO, ALM Media LLC
Free Press
Board of Directors
Maxie C. Jackson III – President and CEO for the National Federation of Community Broadcasters
Organization of News Ombudsmen
Officers and Directors
Jacob Möllerup – Danish Broadcasting Corporation and president of ONO
Debbie Kornmiller – Reader advocate of the Arizona Daily Star
Julie Miville-Dechene – Radio-Canada
Judi Whetstine – Gazette Communications
Investigative News Network
Board of Directors
Brant Houston – Chair of the Board & Knight Chair of Investigative Reporting, University of Illinois Journalism Dept.
Charles Lewis – Board Member & Executive Editor, The American University School of Communication Investigative Reporting Workshop
Robert Rosenthal – Center for Investigative Reporting Board Member & Executive Director
William Buzenberg – Executive Director, The Center for Public Integrity
Laura Frank – Executive Director, I-News, the Rocky Mountain Investigative News Network
Margaret Freivogel – Board Member & Editor, St. Louis Beacon
Soros-related organizations
This is a partial list of the media organizations that have staffers on the boards of Soros-funded media outlets.
Radio
KQED
NPR
Radio-Canada
Print
Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Arizona Daily Star
Associated Press
El Nuevo Herald
Fortune
Gazette Communications
Hearst Newspapers
Houston Chronicle
New York Times
The New Yorker
Sacramento Bee
Seattle Times
Simon & Schuster
Toronto Star
USA Today
Vista
See more at: http://www.mrc.org/business-and-media-institute/top-journalists-serve-soros-funded-boards-directors-or-advisers#sthash.t0MkUwW8.dpuf
pete
March 2nd, 2013
11:27 am
Welcome,
I hate liberals. I wouldn’t piss on them if they were on fire!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
11:28 am
He has absolutely no balance to his writing.
Michelle Malkin says, “What?”
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
11:29 am
TBS: Scout comes here because this is where the folks with the brains are. Kyle isn’t smart enough to pour urine out of a boot if the directions were on the heel and he’s the SMART one over there (well except for Bruno).
M
March 2nd, 2013
11:29 am
pete,
I bet you’re a hoot at parties.
Stevie Ray
March 2nd, 2013
11:30 am
JAY
Where do you suppose that tactic originated? I don’t know but this practice is not necessarily virgin concept here in good ole USA.
While not a good comparison, the stategy of avoiding mainstream press and punish those who dare challenge the current administration, the level of control our current administration bears by “marketing” issues as opposed to addressing them, certainly doesn’t leave a much better aftertaste..
TBS
March 2nd, 2013
11:30 am
pete
Sounds like you have deeper seeded problems than just politics. Not sure if this blog is going to be the place you will find the help you need. Attentions wh0res get boring real fast. Just saying
Recon 0311 2533
March 2nd, 2013
11:31 am
td@11:26, good post and points to some far-left hypocrisy.
Stevie Ray
March 2nd, 2013
11:31 am
pete
March 2nd, 2013
11:27 am
From the bottom of my heart, I want to thank you for such an intellectual contribution to this forum. What would we do without you?
TBS
March 2nd, 2013
11:32 am
Fred
I know. I just find Scout’s feigned outrage about a left leaning Op Ed writer to be amusing to say the least. If nothing else, he is good for some cheap belly laughs
td
March 2nd, 2013
11:34 am
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
11:28 am
He has absolutely no balance to his writing.
Michelle Malkin says, “What?”
I have got your Michelle Malkin. Funniest political video going right now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1iRdUwnFWo&feature=player_embedded#!
Stevie Ray
March 2nd, 2013
11:34 am
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
11:29 am
Despite the value to most here of his message, I think Kyle is actually a very bright guy treading successfully on a highwire of being a young, moderate conservative…
PETE
Since we’ve covered urine, do we now move on to the fecal matter?
Moderate Line
March 2nd, 2013
11:35 am
Bob Loblaw
March 2nd, 2013
11:13 am
This insubordination should be met with these writer’s immediate termination. I would bet that the IRS will be calling, too, to talk about these enormous amounts of money and whether or not their tax returns reflect that. The “adultery” story, if false or partially false is especially disgusting.
+++++
The Guardian fired Trevino, however, many parts of the media do not have a problem with this. For example Adrian Pabst who received money from Russia is still writing for many papers. In fact this is what the Huffington Post stated:
Huffington Post spokesman Rhoades Alderson said the site has a policy requiring bloggers to disclose any financial conflicts of interest related to the issue they are writing about, but Pabst did not violate the policy.
The job of our blog editors is to make sure all of our posts add value for our readers,” Alderson said in a statement. “Part of that is making judgment calls about the transparency of each blogger’s motive, even in cases when there is no technical violation of the disclosure policy. A submission by a PR firm raises flags but is not automatically disqualified if the blog adds value and is in keeping with our guidelines.”
I don’t agree with the term insubornation but I believe any episode like this erodes the publics trust of the media which isn’t very high anyway.
http://www.propublica.org/article/from-russia-with-pr-ketchum-cnbc
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
11:36 am
Jay is nothing but a mouth piece and cheerleader for the liberal left. Everything in his world leans left. He has absolutely no balance to his writing.
Thank you Captain Obvious. Here is obviously one of the SMARTER Right wing nutcase talk radio listening FOXBOTS.
He comes to a LEFT WING OPINION SITE and has just now figured out on his own that the host is left wing.
Can we get a round of applause, an amen and a group hug for little petey?
Here’s a kid who just saw pete:
http://notthebestoftimes.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/iseestupidpeople.jpg
alittlecommonsense
March 2nd, 2013
11:36 am
“Jay- Let’s not be naive. Rush Limbaugh and most of the others do what they do for the money. You can’t possibly think they do it to make America a better place for average Americans.”
Lol. Apparently N-GA thinks Jay does this blog “to make America a better place”, not for the paycheck.
Maximum_Bob
March 2nd, 2013
11:36 am
Hey td, how’s that tin-foil hat working out for you?
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
11:38 am
Despite the value to most here of his message, I think Kyle is actually a very bright guy treading successfully on a highwire of being a young, moderate conservative…
Of course you do. you are a right winger trying to disguise yourself as an independent so his lies, hypocrisy, and lack of ability are natural to you.
Do you go to Lil Davey Slagle’s church too?
Moderate Line
March 2nd, 2013
11:38 am
Whether liberal or conservative this practice is not very good for the media. It lowers the trust that people have in the media. It is not a good practice.
QE 4 EVAH?
March 2nd, 2013
11:39 am
SOP.
From Russia With PR
Several opinion columns praising Russia and published in the last two years on CNBC’s web site and the Huffington Post were written by seemingly independent professionals but were placed on behalf of the Russian government by its public-relations firm, Ketchum.
Public relations firms constantly peddle op-eds on behalf of politicians, corporations, and governments. Rarely if ever do publications disclose the role of a PR firm in placing an op-ed, so it’s unusual to get a glimpse behind the scenes and see how an op-ed was generated.
What readers of the CNBC and Huffington Post pieces did not know — but Justice Department foreign agent registration filings [2] by Ketchum show — is that the columns were placed by the public-relations firm working on a contract [3] with the Russian government to, among other things, promote the country “as a place favorable for foreign investments.”
http://www.propublica.org/article/from-russia-with-pr-ketchum-cnbc
Welcome to the Occupation
March 2nd, 2013
11:39 am
pete : “I hate liberals. I wouldn’t piss on them if they were on fire!”
Well maybe you ought to take a closer look at the things you apparently have in common with them, which seems to be a lot.
Stevie Ray
March 2nd, 2013
11:40 am
TD
Seriously? Seems to me that the answer to which side has more of a media advantage will never be resolved…certainly not here. IMO, the folks on the right feel that with exception to FOX all other TV mediums report stories with a left tint. The lefties feel that Fox news has such a big bullhorn (true) and so obliviously conservative, that that is were the conversation starts and ends.
Neither side will convince the other….why bother? The respective sides will simply continue to read that which supports other than challenges preconcieved notions..its all there.
Matti
March 2nd, 2013
11:42 am
And here I was feeling guilty about putting a little “romance” fiction together for an e-book to help pay for my kitchen renovation. Dang.
td
March 2nd, 2013
11:42 am
Maximum_Bob
March 2nd, 2013
11:36 am
Hey td, how’s that tin-foil hat working out for you?
I guess a tin-foil hat is better then having your head stuck so far up the but of the progressive movement that you can not see the light.
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
11:42 am
This thread topic is just more liberal bias by Jay with his blinders on for the Kennedys, Gore’s, et al .
Pretty pathetic.
Just as your posts are the usual conservative deflection, and that’s just as pathetic and expected.
I’m so looking forward to the first time any conservative here actually owns up to the shortcoming of their own brother-in-arms before they embark on the grand crusade of pointing out the shortcoming of liberals.
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
11:43 am
Apparently N-GA thinks Jay does this blog “to make America a better place”, not for the paycheck.
I would bet my bottom dollar that Jay DOES do it to make America a better place, or at least that part of America he can reach. I don’t always agree with him and have told him so many times when I didn’t, but I don’t doubt his motives. He truly IS altruistic to a fault.
Welcome to the Occupation
March 2nd, 2013
11:44 am
All these people here falling over themselves to get their knife in the back of their “liberal” or the “conservative” enemy. In reality, the liberal and conservative positions overlap in more ways than is commonly understood.
Stevie Ray
March 2nd, 2013
11:44 am
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
11:38 am
I’m often defined by whatever position I take on whatever issue. When I disagree with someone, my politics have a tendency to be labeled since a more, well thought out response is beyond reach.
The mere fact that your only response is name calling or labeling, speaks volumes once again.
Who are you with your insanely biased and apparently over emotionally charged writings to pass judgement in such a childish fashion. Please realize that name calling is submission….
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 2nd, 2013
11:44 am
So as usual the conned cannot make distinctions between being on a board of directors or having a viewpoint and getting PAID by an undisclosed source to write an article that is not labeled “opinion” or “paid advertisement”. But then the same clownish conned defend Fox daily for its “fair and [un]balanced” news that even Fox claims is skewed to offset their claims of “everyone else is librul”!
RB from Gwinnett
March 2nd, 2013
11:45 am
“It lowers the trust that people have in the media. It is not a good practice – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/#sthash.HNuMCIlA.dpuf”
People still have trust in the media? Why???
td
March 2nd, 2013
11:45 am
Stevie Ray
March 2nd, 2013
11:40 am
The problem is that besides Hannity there is not one true conservative show on Fox. The problem is the other media outlets have gone so far left that a moderate station is now considered far right.
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
11:45 am
I have got your Michelle Malkin. Funniest political video going right now.
No it’s not. It is quite stupid as a matter of fact. But then you aren’t exactly the brightest bulb in the knife drawer so I’m sure you find it amusing.
Bob Loblaw
March 2nd, 2013
11:45 am
@ Moderate Line:
Thanks for sharing that one media outlet (and that term is loose, in the case of many of the listed forums) stood up against paid-for “news” by foreign governments. Serving as a tool for propaganda for a foreign dictator should be insubordination as this is inherently dishonest behavior.
That weak excuse from Huffington is why someone needs to sue a blog for libel. There’s not enough money in blogging to go around so these folks loosen their standards below that of a reasonably responsible journalist. Someone needs to hold them accountable.
No more doubletalk! Or in this case, double-dip talk…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
11:46 am
I have got your Michelle Malkin. Funniest political video going right now.
Yeah I posted that back on the 25th when Wonkette was having a lot of fun at her expense:
http://wonkette.com/502893/wonket-cedes-political-humor-crown-to-michelle-malkin-worlds-most-hilarious-pundit
Still my all time favorite Michelle Maglalang vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mPkOberRCo
The cheesy 70s retro porno soundtrack is appropriate.
Stevie Ray
March 2nd, 2013
11:46 am
Brosephus™ – If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
11:42 am
Now you know I love nothing better than dancing with you, however I need to know in advance what kinda of sleep you got last night I have come to a general conclusion about small kids, the only time they are a problem is when you are tired and they are not…or otherwise are gripping for basic needs..
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
March 2nd, 2013
11:47 am
Well, I could always use a few bucks and I got some writting skills. Anybody got a few thousand they ain’t using that could pay me to write for them? I don’t care what side I’d need to be on. Heck, I’m flexible when it comes to money. Except, don’t ask me to take the side of this Obama. I got my principles, you know. And they’d never catch me. Lots of people around the AJC want to know who I am and they ain’t never found out. Unless Bookman rats me out.
Just drop me a line here on this blog or send a note to me out here at Simpsons Trailer Park, Cumming GA. I’ll be shilling for you lickety-split—that is, unless the check bounces.
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
11:47 am
Malaysia?!
It sounds like these are the kind of people who would have thrived under the dictator coddling, arming, aiding and abetting Reagan administration. And if they were far right wing murderous thugs that they got their dirty money from, all the better…
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
11:48 am
<i.And here I was feeling guilty about putting a little “romance” fiction together for an e-book to help pay for my kitchen renovation. Dang.
Remember, if you charge 2 bucks ($1.99) you get to keep a higher % of the cash than if you only charge $.99.
td
March 2nd, 2013
11:50 am
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 2nd, 2013
11:44 am
How much do those people on those BOD’s of Soros foundation receive in “Grants” for research purposes? Sure this does not influence the way they treat a story or better yet how they chose to not cover a story.
Stevie Ray
March 2nd, 2013
11:51 am
td
March 2nd, 2013
11:45 am
I’m not in position to agree or disagree but it seems to me that much definition comes from the guest commentators. Having Donald Trump or some religious zealot appear in any unfilled slot regardless of the show, also defines the context.
Of all on that network, I can’t even hear Sean Hannities, John Gibson’s voices without grimmace. Of course same examples on the left…they can be useful for defining the continuum of an issue…how far left or right can an issue reasonably be argued..
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
11:51 am
The problem is that besides Hannity there is not one true conservative show on Fox. The problem is the other media outlets have gone so far left that a moderate station is now considered far right.
Opinions are not facts. And in this case, this opinion is antithetical to the truth…
http://mediamatters.org/research/sundayshowreport/
DannyX
March 2nd, 2013
11:51 am
What a joke the conservative media is.
From “Fair and Balanced” Fox news to Oxycontin Rush. Add a little James O’Keefe and a dash of of Drudge. Lets not forget to mention unskewed polls.com! Or Karl Rove’s meltdown. Did I mention Fox and Friends?
Of course nothing compares to the Guckert/Gannon Talon News fiasco from a few years ago.
George W Bush used the same tactics as this case, he paid journalists to write good things about him.
No wonder you cons are deflecting so much today, this “conservative media” you love is a joke.
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
11:52 am
Stevie: Your incorrect charge of “name calling” because you lack the ability to discern the difference between using words to correctly identify something and name calling isn’t my fault. If One sees a big large piece of smelly fecal matter on the floor and calls it a piece of crap, that is correctly identifing something. If I call YOU a piece of crap that is name calling.
Please educate yourself on the correct uses of words in the English language before you falsely charge me again.
Deliberately using words incorrectly is called lying. Using words incorrectly because you know no better is called ignorance. In this instance one could reasonably conclude that you are either a liar or are ignorant. Neither term however could be even remotely construed, except by the simplest of minds, as name calling.
Just damn.
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
11:52 am
Also, do you have any idea why those who use screen names that suggest neutrality are overwhelmingly anything BUT? It would be like me using the screen name Mr. Meek and Mild.
DAMMITT!!!!!! That WAS a good mouthful of coffee that I had…
Recon 0311 2533
March 2nd, 2013
11:53 am
When you have Bob Beckel, Dennis Kucinich, Greta VanSusteren, moderate probable Democrats like Chris Wallace, Shephard Smith and Geraldo Rivera ( though he claims to be a moderate Republican but typically supports Obama) as paid regulars on Fox News along with many Democrats from Congress plus left leaning journalists you have to wonder about some on here who habitually rail at Fox. Is it keeping with the party line or just personal ignorance.
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
11:53 am
I was dead wrong.
The turtle did not cave yet so the cuts started.
You can shut up about cuts and our economy now cons.
Time to work on the President’s agenda.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
11:54 am
Jerome
If you’re around — that was a helluva strike by Mr. Potato-head in the 90th minute.
Welcome to the Occupation
March 2nd, 2013
11:54 am
Jay: “If anybody would care to dispute the fact that these are conservative writers, please, make your case while I get another cup of coffee”
C’mon, Jay, this is not a question of “conservative” vs “liberal” in the narrow sense. Propaganda of this sort has deep roots in the Cold War era. Just recall the sordid history of the Congress for Cultural Freedom, the infamous CIA front organization that throughout the Cold War had writers and hacks on its payrolls spanning the liberal-conservative spectrum and was certainly not above character assassination or smear tactics when a target was felt to be too “radical” from the standpoint of US imperialistic interests. These tactics have continued in various quarters in the post-CW years and good aspiring hacks like Trevino know where to get their bread placed so it can be buttered.
Stevie Ray
March 2nd, 2013
11:55 am
If anyone is interested, George Will released an interesting piece today suggesting “progressives”are really stuck in the past as it were..
Gotta admit its another in a series of interesting positions…not without some merit of truth..
Progressives are remarkably uninterested in progress. Social Security is 78 years old, and myriad social improvements have added 17 years to life expectancy since 1935, yet progressives insist the program remain frozen, like a fly in amber. Medicare is 48 years old, and the competence and role of medicine have been transformed since 1965, yet progressives cling to Medicare “as we know it.” And they say that the Voting Rights Act, another 48-year-old, must remain unchanged, despite dramatic improvements in race relations.
Classic..
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
11:55 am
Now you know I love nothing better than dancing with you, however I need to know in advance what kinda of sleep you got last night
What does that have to do with what I stated? When has any conservative here ever owned up to the shortcomings of their own before blasting Jay about his “liberalism”?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 2nd, 2013
11:57 am
How much do those people on those BOD’s of Soros foundation receive in “Grants” for research purposes?
Look I know you love to post buffoonish arguments. You have evidence of “those people” having grants and writing articles for which they “received” a grant and it was not disclosed? Only an idiot would try to claim that every person who receives a grant is going to slant the outcome. But I know its a typical conned mind melt.
td
March 2nd, 2013
11:58 am
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
11:45 am
I have got your Michelle Malkin. Funniest political video going right now.
No it’s not. It is quite stupid as a matter of fact. But then you aren’t exactly the brightest bulb in the knife drawer so I’m sure you find it amusing.
I am sure you thought this one about GWB was funny as hell.
http://politicalhumor.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=politicalhumor&cdn=entertainment&tm=26&f=20&su=p284.13.342.ip_p504.6.342.ip_&tt=3&bt=1&bts=1&zu=http%3A//www.funnyordie.com/videos/24dd4a855d
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
11:58 am
What does that have to do with what I stated? When has any conservative here ever owned up to the shortcomings of their own before blasting Jay about his “liberalism”?
LOL Bro, when have a majority even read the piece the current blog is about before they start?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
11:59 am
The obligatory weakly George Will shill.
I can set my watch by it.
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
12:00 pm
And here we have td trying to send people to a hacking site:
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Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
12:01 pm
Nice try td, but I secure my computer. I found THIS ONE about Obama to be funny as hell. It’s not a video though…….
http://twitpic.com/9jyrvh
You see td, unlike YOU I think for myself, I’m not a party puppet who mindlessly spams propaganda I don’t understand.
TBS
March 2nd, 2013
12:02 pm
Keep
Keep in mind you are talking to a blogger who wears two right shoes (thanks Bro for that one) on a daily basis and two right gloves when it is cold because he thinks he will lose his rw credentials
That right handers baseball glove on the right hand never never fit him to well either…………
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
12:02 pm
And they say that the Voting Rights Act, another 48-year-old, must remain unchanged, despite dramatic improvements in race relations.
NOT because of conservatives.
Otherwise how do explain an organization with over 30 million registered members that has 2% black and 5% Latino membership?
De facto segregation is how…
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
12:03 pm
If anyone is interested, George Will released an interesting piece today suggesting “progressives”are really stuck in the past as it were..
If it’s the voting column, I’ve already read it. Funny thing is, Will accuses “progressives” of something that is an inherent characteristic of a true “conservative”. Both are stuck in the past, but the one’s opining for things to be like the Founding Fathers intended word-for-word are much farther behind than those “progressives”. Just sayin…
————–
Fred
I’m beginning to believe that there are not many who read Jay’s column at all. They just see his name and their Pavlovian tendencies kick in. There are not many who read his links as well. I don’t always read them, but when I do, there tends to be interesting things to back him up.
Arms Akimbo
March 2nd, 2013
12:03 pm
Hmmmm. Wonder where foreign Governments got the idea that having the American press in their pockets could help hide the truth, push an agenda, and keep unqualified politicians in office?
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
12:03 pm
td
Whines about liberal influence in the media, yet he advocates for conservative bribery and ownership of government.
Laughable!!!!
http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2012/12/05/inside-the-koch-empire-how-the-brothers-plan-to-reshape-america/
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
12:03 pm
Hey Fred
Did you ever get that laundry room closet put back together again?
DannyX
March 2nd, 2013
12:05 pm
Best ever, White House correspondents video, Stephen Colbert
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSE_saVX_2A
TBS
March 2nd, 2013
12:05 pm
keep
he only takes right turns, yet wonders why he always winds up at the same place he started
larry
March 2nd, 2013
12:07 pm
And they say that the Voting Rights Act, another 48-year-old, must remain unchanged, despite dramatic improvements in race relations.
Really, after last year’s debacle about voter ID laws and the REASON they were passed , he says there is dramatic improvements in race relations.
What world was he living in?
td
March 2nd, 2013
12:07 pm
The problem is that besides Hannity there is not one true conservative show on Fox. The problem is the other media outlets have gone so far left that a moderate station is now considered far right.
Opinions are not facts. And in this case, this opinion is antithetical to the truth…
http://mediamatters.org/research/sundayshowreport/
LMAO!!! You are giving an article from the extreme leftest George Soros funded Media matters to talk about how conservative Fox is. My God, they would right that Lenin was a conservative.
Nero
March 2nd, 2013
12:09 pm
Nobody cares except you and your sheep Bookman. Make yourself a sandwich with that cup of joe.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 2nd, 2013
12:09 pm
TBS
well you know Soros apparently bought all the left shoes so what could the poor boy do.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
12:09 pm
… they would right[sic] that Lenin was a conservative.
Freudian slip much?
Bernie
March 2nd, 2013
12:10 pm
Jay, every now and then your YOUTH,UNDERSTANDING and Inexperience of worldly issues always rears its HEAD as a News worthy topic of discussion here. When actuality this issue is OLD and its process is as Old as the cat & mouse game of epsionage that goes on with every Nation on this EARTH. There is a WHOLE LOT MORE & worse that is going on and you are not even aware of this very moment.
So if you would please you would be better served and so would your limited number of readers if topics of discussion can be kept to the more important issues that we are MORE CONCERNED about. Like the New Stadium proposal, Healthcare coverage fo the uninsured, The local school systems and their problems. These issues are better left to the real PROFESSIONALS like those of the NEW YORK TIMES, who have the investigative skills and budets to delve deep into such complicated issues. The managment of the AJC will barely give you gas money to go across town to investigate why a MOSQUITO’s raincoat was stolen, during a Carjacking from a One LEgged COCKROACH!
indigo
March 2nd, 2013
12:12 pm
This is a perfect example of what has essentially become the bottom line for much of America, namely:
Money talks and BS walks
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
12:13 pm
So if you would please you would be better served and so would your limited number of readers if topics of discussion can be kept to the more important issues that we are MORE CONCERNED about.
1. Go to blogspot.com.
2. Create your own blog.
3. Choose the topics that you wish to discuss.
See how easy that is?
Your welcome.
TBS
March 2nd, 2013
12:14 pm
td
I’m not a mediamatters guy. With that said since you totally discounted it, is it ok to discount anything you post from the weeklystd, theblaze, hotair, wnd, dailycaller, etc etc?
I’m sure you don’t think those sites I listed are unbiased reporting, right?
indigo
March 2nd, 2013
12:15 pm
Bernie – 12:10
Take two asprins and go lie down now.
Theres a good boy.
GT
March 2nd, 2013
12:15 pm
FOX eats off that plate too. They hire legitimate journalist away from legitimate outlets and have them writing with just their right hands for great sums of money and they thought that was all that was needed to equal the reporting against their antiquated movements. The dream in the early years was to buy CBS and turn that into a FOX network but CBS was not the whore they thought they were. So they formed the network and found the reporters who were watching journalism turn into an entertainment industry and wanted some of that action over the dead end street of network journalism that had one anchor and the rest journalist without portfolio. It is like a great “has been” athlete playing his last days for money on a cellar dwelling team to get people to buy tickets.
What has really surprise me, but not Obama, is this money tainted reporting has not stopped the stream of honest consciences that exist in journalism. And Obama has outflanked the right which has never understood the digital age, in getting his message to the people. I just really wish O would govern the way he runs a campaign, he doesn’t try as hard to get his message out in peace time.
Thomas heyward Jr
March 2nd, 2013
12:18 pm
Regardless…………..there is nothing worse than an American writer trying to Opologize for an American war-criminal president.
.
Najib Rajkek has never murdered American citizens.
.
Sugar coat it………….all ya want.
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
12:19 pm
td: You basic problem is that you don’t think. You react. That video by Malkin is just STUPID. There is no humor in it. Maybe if someone who has some comedic sense had written and produced it, it could have been funny. But they didn’t and it wasn’t. YOU merely saw, making fun of Michele Obama. Ha Ha must be funny. Must laugh.
Will Farrell as George Bush? Freaking hilarious and I don’t like Will Farrell. Who was it back in the day on SNL that did Clinton? Classically funny. Have you seen the Obama impersonator? Dude had me rolling.
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
12:20 pm
Poor td, the man who wrote – and insanely and humiliatingly made a very public bet on – Romney was NOT going to get annihilated and who also wrote that the US Civil War was not primarily based on slavery.
A very, very tenuous grasp on reality, to say the least.
During this period, Republicans and conservatives had the advantage on every show (This Week, Face the Nation, Meet the Press, Fox News Sunday) in every category measured. All four shows interviewed more Republicans and conservatives than Democrats and progressives, interviewed more Republican elected and administration officials than Democratic officials, hosted more conservative journalists than progressive journalists, held more panels that tilted right than tilted left, and gave more solo interviews to Republicans and conservatives.
But for the empirically-challenged td and his fellow sheep, it might just as well all be written in Greek….
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
12:20 pm
The cons would be libs if the pay was right.
Are you just figuring this out?
Anyhoo, tax cuts and cuts are done.
I expect our economy to suk so don’t expect jobs.
Thomas heyward Jr
March 2nd, 2013
12:20 pm
As Bill Krystal says……………and evidence shows……………….you Obama-Bots are ALL neo-cons now.
kayaker 71
March 2nd, 2013
12:20 pm
If Bookman is trying to use this as some lame excuse that conservative writers are biased and do it for money, this is one small instance of someone doing exactly that. They are biased. So is most of the main stream media. Their bias shows every day of every week. Look what happened to Woodward when he strayed just a little bit out of the box. An avalanche of criticism including some liberal turd that says he can’t wait for Woodward to die so the truth will out. From being a liberal icon to a hack in one single day. It’s the liberal way. Don’t get in the way. Don’t voice an opinion different from ours. Don’t go against what we believe in. If you do, we will make it our express purpose in life to destroy you. Any way we can. Whether or not you are right or wrong, we really don’t care. Just don’t disagree with us. Do so at your own peril.
td
March 2nd, 2013
12:21 pm
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
12:01 pm
Nice try td, but I secure my computer. I found THIS ONE about Obama to be funny as hell. It’s not a video though…….
http://twitpic.com/9jyrvh
You see td, unlike YOU I think for myself, I’m not a party puppet who mindlessly spams propaganda I don’t understand.
How do you know I am a “party puppet”? That is a huge ASSumption on your part. I oppose many things that the Republican party does (example that dumba$$ amendment on Charter schools and the stupid ethics reform legislation). I am a Conservative first and foremost and would probably be more of a Libertarian (especially on social issues) if we could get the Democrats to accept the principle that people should take responsibility for their actions and suffer the consequences for those actions and not have the government take the consequences away from them.
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
12:22 pm
Nobody cares except you and your sheep Bookman. Make yourself a sandwich with that cup of joe.
Yet Nero very much cares what Bookman writes – he supports the cause by blogging here pretty much every single day
breckenridge
March 2nd, 2013
12:24 pm
“As Bill Krystal says….you Obama-Bots are ALL neo-cons now.”
The neo-con movment, whose goal was to export democracy at then end of a gun barrel, is dead. Isn’t it time for a new movement? The neo-neo-con movement.
Bill Krystal…….what a worthless sack of chit. A dirty filthy blight on this great nation.
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
12:24 pm
Entitlements are not touched and the gop will try to weasel out of the military cuts but do not expect growth.
DannyX
March 2nd, 2013
12:26 pm
“How do you know I am a “party puppet”?”
I loved it when the when the conservative media was pulling td’s strings during the last election. I hear next election td will be a dummy sitting on Karl Rove’s lap, a nice promotion for td.
Look before I leap...
March 2nd, 2013
12:26 pm
The same yahoos come on here on a daily basis and whine about Jay’s topic selection.
From experience they know that Jay is a left-leaning liberal who writes opinion pieces.
Yet they wake up grumpy and if they can’t find outrage in the current topic, they manufacture one by carping about what Jay DIDN’T write.
Ah well, it is a free country, do as you please and tilt at all the windmills you like. Just seems to me to be a pretty miserable way to live.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
12:26 pm
How do you know I am a “party puppet”?
Well, first and foremost, you publicly admitted that you started a let’s all get together and bob our dittoheads in unison listening to El Rushbo on the radio club in college.
Then you’ve bragged about getting the highest score in Newt Gingrich’s stroke his ego college course.
I’d say those two are pretty definitive of your lock step.
td
March 2nd, 2013
12:27 pm
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
12:19 pm
td: You basic problem is that you don’t think. You react. That video by Malkin is just STUPID. There is no humor in it. Maybe if someone who has some comedic sense had written and produced it, it could have been funny. But they didn’t and it wasn’t. YOU merely saw, making fun of Michele Obama
If you watched that video and did not see that it was making fun of the Democrats policies and not Michelle then you my friend are the one that is a little lacking in the intelligence department.
indigo
March 2nd, 2013
12:27 pm
Thomas heyward, Jr. “American war-criminal president”
That sort of hyperbole causes most of us to regard you as nothing more than a dimwitted 8th grade homeschooler.
Just saying
March 2nd, 2013
12:29 pm
If the Israeli government and AIPAC can own/control the US congress, what is the big deal with this. And lets also not forget that the US has bases in 150 countries and controls nearly all of their governments through bribery (foreign aid) and intimidation (the CIA).
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
12:29 pm
who also wrote that the US Civil War was not primarily based on slavery.
If the War was mainly about slavery why did the Emancipation Proclamation only apply to the slaves in “conquered” rebellion States and why was it issued 2 years AFTER Lincoln took office?
I’ll wait for your answer because I have always wondered that. I know States Rights were not an issue at all, it was all about the slaves because of revisionist history, but that one little thing has always puzzled me……..
Bernie
March 2nd, 2013
12:30 pm
indigo @ 12:15 pm – A sign of a touched nerve, your comment.
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
12:31 pm
How do you know I am a “party puppet”? I am a Conservative first and foremost and would probably be more of a Libertarian (especially on social issues) if we could get the Democrats to accept the principle that people should take responsibility for their actions and suffer the consequences for those actions and not have the government take the consequences away from them.
Look at that. I didn’t even have to answer. You asked a question and then provided the answer and the proof right after it.
Look before I leap...
March 2nd, 2013
12:31 pm
“Have you seen the Obama impersonator? Dude had me rolling. ”
Jay Pharoah – he has Obama down pretty damned pat.
Another was the late Steve Bridges who also did a terrific W. Now that’s versatility.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5DpKjlgoP4
TBS
March 2nd, 2013
12:33 pm
“How do you know I am a party puppet”
Let’s see
1. You bought hook line and sinker what Rove and Morris told you about the election
2. You posted all over the AJC blogs bogus bull$hit conspiracy stories about Democrat over sampling in the polls. You were so brainwashed by this crap that you stated Romney might be up by as many as 10% pts.
3. You came on one night talking smack about the Ohio vote totals and how this or that could have changed. Another blogger showed up with a bus and took you to school with numbers from the state of OH. When you knew your assertions were bogus you attempted to blame the article you read and not your own lack of homework and comprehension of those numbers.
I could go on, but you more than get the point
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
12:33 pm
breckenridge, everybody remotely associated with the disgusting PNAC should be sent to one of those CIA Black Sites…
Thomas heyward Jr
March 2nd, 2013
12:33 pm
breckenridge
March 2nd, 2013
12:24 pm
“As Bill Krystal says….you Obama-Bots are ALL neo-cons now.”
The neo-con movment, whose goal was to export democracy at then end of a gun barrel, is dead. Isn’t it time for a new movement? The neo-neo-con movement.
Bill Krystal…….what a worthless sack of chit. A dirty filthy blight on this great nation.
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Yes I agree…………..Krystal is a dirty filthy blight but…………….your Vice-God Hillary Clinton .out neo-conned even Krystal.
.You folling yourself if you think the neo-con idea is dead.
Obama and Hillary has ‘codified’ it……………but you bots will never admit it.
.
This whole article is a perfect example.
Bookman and crew espousing on some neo-cons being paid to WRITE trash about some foreign politico……………..while not speaking a squelch about Hillary/Obama HELLFIRING Libya’s duly-elected President’s convoy which enabled the crowd to tear him apart.
Remember what Hillary said?
“We came, we saw..he’s dead”.
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Neo-con is just another word for progressive.
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Pure evil.
.
QE 4 EVAH?
March 2nd, 2013
12:33 pm
Russia’s propoganda arm also works for our government.
Ketchum wins $7m federal health record accounts
http://www.prweekus.com/pages/login.aspx?returl=/ketchum-wins-7m-federal-health-record-accounts/article/254620/&pagetypeid=28&articleid=254620&accesslevel=2&expireddays=0&accessAndPrice=0
Savory.
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
12:33 pm
If you watched that video and did not see that it was making fun of the Democrats policies and not Michelle then you my friend are the one that is a little lacking in the intelligence department.
On;ly to the simple minded did it do that. To the rest of us it was just plain out stupid.
GT
March 2nd, 2013
12:34 pm
kayaker 71 it really doesn’t matter what Bookman thinks pal. FOX lost 25% of its revenue last quarter. Bookman was on the right side of this when FOX was the number one cable news channel and looked like the Roman Empire. Bookman didn’t jump the fence like the Democrats did in this state to Republicans when they couldn’t con or bully the Democrats. Nope he has been steady Eddie, telling all that would listen what was up and now he turns out to be right. Your party is toast, FOX is toast, maybe, you should hire people like Bookman to tell you’re the truth and get your money’s worth for once.
Nero
March 2nd, 2013
12:34 pm
Bottom line for America? Money has always talked. It’s the human condition. Been that way long before American and will be that way long after. Greed will always trump ideals of our better nature.
td
March 2nd, 2013
12:34 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
12:26 pm
How do you know I am a “party puppet”?
Well, first and foremost, you publicly admitted that you started a let’s all get together and bob our dittoheads in unison listening to El Rushbo on the radio club in college.
Then you’ve bragged about getting the highest score in Newt Gingrich’s stroke his ego college course.
I’d say those two are pretty definitive of your lock step.
You just proved as to how uninformed you really are. Rush is not a shill for the Republican party. He is a Conservative and bashes Republicans on a daily bases when they are not following Conservative philosophies.
As far as Newt goes, at the time that I took his class he was intellectually promoting a Conservative philosophy of how to “renew American civilization”. No one in the Republican party would even support his efforts until after he made the 1993 election a national movement and return the House of Reps back into the hands of Republicans for the fist time in 50 years on a Conservative philosophy.
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
12:35 pm
That sort of hyperbole causes most of us to regard you as nothing more than a dimwitted 8th grade homeschooler.
Shi………oot. I don’t consider him at all. I see his name and just scroll right past. Life is too short to waste 15 seconds reading his stupidity.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
12:36 pm
Rush is not a shill for the Republican party.
Not intended to be a factual statement.
Tmgotech
March 2nd, 2013
12:36 pm
So the point here is that paid journalists sometimes bring suspect, hidden agendas to the table when they are writing their columns? Never could have guessed that from reading the AJC!
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
12:38 pm
Fred,
http://tinyurl.com/byv6der
td
March 2nd, 2013
12:39 pm
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
12:33 pm
If you watched that video and did not see that it was making fun of the Democrats policies and not Michelle then you my friend are the one that is a little lacking in the intelligence department.
On;ly to the simple minded did it do that. To the rest of us it was just plain out stupid.
I thought you would change you tune about the video being a hack job on Michelle to just not liking it when I called your intelligence into question. If you do not like it fine (personal opinion) but to attempt to make it something that it is not then that shows intellectual dishonesty.
Nero
March 2nd, 2013
12:39 pm
Jamvet,
You’re missing all those choice fares. Go back to work hoss!
td
March 2nd, 2013
12:40 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
12:36 pm
Rush is not a shill for the Republican party.
Not intended to be a factual statement.
Intellectual capacity runs very shallow in this one.
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
12:40 pm
rush would be a lib for the money he makes now but he found the niche in the market so you are stuck with him.
TBS
March 2nd, 2013
12:41 pm
td
Hanitty just called. He asked me to tell you that he already coined the “I’m not a Republican but a conservative” shtick. Said it would be appreciated if you could be original for a change and come up with your own shtick. Said to tell you thank you and have a great day..
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 2nd, 2013
12:42 pm
You just proved as to how uninformed you really are. Rush is not a shill for the Republican party. He is a Conservative and bashes Republicans on a daily bases when they are not following Conservative philosophies.
Now that is FUNNY!!!!!!!!!
Is being a drug addict part of the being a “conservative”? How about the 4 marriages?
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
12:42 pm
So, we cut 85 billion a year for ten years but will continue easing 85 billion a month so what is the total savings from the cuts.
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
12:43 pm
Look: I had forgotten about that one.It has to be the funniest Presidential impression act ever. Side by side.
Unlike the far lefties here I don’t think Bush was “the worst President ever” or that 100 years from now he will be viewed as such. I didn’t care for him much nor do i think he was as effective as some other presidents, but the worst EVER? Naw. He deserves points just for the material he gave comedians lol if nothing else. PLUS as he showed in the video, the fact he could laugh at himself.
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
12:43 pm
Rush is not a shill for the Republican party.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
(He is the liberals, progressives, moderates and independent secret weapon.)
Many party members have aligned themselves with Limbaugh and his huge audience. There have been more than a few Republicans who have backed off of positions, primarily because Limbaugh was opposed. The conservative movement, and the Republican Party, has played up Limbaugh’s stardom. In some ways, they’ve allowed Limbaugh to become a spokesman for all things conservative and most things Republican.
That sort of strategy doesn’t work.
Do tell…
TBS
March 2nd, 2013
12:46 pm
td
Damn my phone is ringing of the hook.
Bill Oliely called and said make sure you don’t still his “strict constructionist” shtick….
Will let you know who else calls.
Don’t mention it.
TBS
March 2nd, 2013
12:47 pm
*steal
TBS
March 2nd, 2013
12:47 pm
“….don’t steal………..”
td
March 2nd, 2013
12:48 pm
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
12:40 pm
rush would be a lib for the money he makes now but he found the niche in the market so you are stuck with him.
Just saying there was a “niche” unfilled (Conservative point of view) and how much money Rush has made by filling it just proves how progressive the rest of the media really is.
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
12:48 pm
“but the worst EVER?”
and it’s NEVER possible to say that and be correct, because we don’t know what future Presidents will be like. The most we can ever say is “worst to date” – but it’s even difficult to be accurate about that because we weren’t alive through all the past Presidencies.
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
12:48 pm
For a guy who doesn’t care what JB or any of his bloggers think, you sure seem very interested in him and me.
Go ahead, it’s not gonna hurt much. Admit it. You do care.
And I, for one, am honored that you are so caring! (grin)
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
12:49 pm
I thought you would change you tune about the video being a hack job on Michelle to just not liking it when I called your intelligence into question.
Wow, you really are simple. I said from the getgo it just wasn’t funny. I realize YOU forget that one can scroll up and read what was posted when but the rest of us haven’t. Are you REALLY this dumb?
Here let me refresh you on what I said………
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
12:19 pm
td: You basic problem is that you don’t think. You react. That video by Malkin is just STUPID. There is no humor in it. Maybe if someone who has some comedic sense had written and produced it, it could have been funny. But they didn’t and it wasn’t.
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Just damn td. What a waste of time talking to you is.
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
12:50 pm
Now congress can go back to spending like drunks at the ATM at a strip club.
TBS
March 2nd, 2013
12:51 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS6aoz0xiBg
Thomas heyward Jr
March 2nd, 2013
12:51 pm
indigo
March 2nd, 2013
12:27 pm
Thomas heyward, Jr. “American war-criminal president”
That sort of hyperbole causes most of us to regard you as nothing more than a dimwitted 8th grade homeschooler.
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Lost Children, Bush/Obama Neo-Cons, and Hopium addicts may call it hyperbole.
Adults……….with a soul…….call it a fact.
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
12:51 pm
Now that is FUNNY!!!!!!!!!
Is being a drug addict part of the being a “conservative”? How about the 4 marriages?
It’s a must as is smoking. Just look at the other person the Conservatives worship, that meth ho Ayn Rand.
DannyX
March 2nd, 2013
12:52 pm
“Rush is not a shill for the Republican party.”
TBS
March 2nd, 2013
12:53 pm
“Now congress can go back to spending like drunks at the ATM at a strip club. – ”
Or RNC execs at S&M clubs
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
12:53 pm
I thought w was cursed because everything he touched turned to crap but Africans love him for his work for Africans
Americans agree he was a disaster but we had worse Presidents..
td
March 2nd, 2013
12:54 pm
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
12:43 pm
Rush is not a shill for the Republican party.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Republicans now control more governorships and state legislatures then they have ever in the history of the party but the conservative philosophy that Rush advocate is a failure.
Republicans control the House of Representatives and will until at least 2022 and the Conservative philosophy that Rush advocates is a failure.
Dream on my friend.
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
12:55 pm
The album is one of Rundgren’s most unusual in that every sound is the product of the artist’s voice. Rundgren employed overdubbing techniques and an E-mu Emulator (an early sampler), electronically manipulating the sound of his voice in order to mimic conventional rock instruments, hand claps, and other sounds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYPv5BiAnhg
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
12:55 pm
And if you want to see a President actually destroying his country, look at Syria.
Jayna
March 2nd, 2013
12:57 pm
OH MY GOD! The world is going to end! Writers are being paid for editorials supporting certain governments! What are we going to do??
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
12:57 pm
The only reason rush did not go to prison for his oxy addiction is his money.
td
March 2nd, 2013
12:57 pm
DannyX
March 2nd, 2013
12:52 pm
“Rush is not a shill for the Republican party.”
Rush is a shill for the Conservative movement. If politicians get off the reservation and want to give into progressive thought then Rush calls them out and they change their tune because politicians first and foremost want to be re elected and second they do not want a conservative primary challenge. I do not see how you can think this is being a shill for the party.
TBS
March 2nd, 2013
12:58 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6S9oqJRclo
barking frog
March 2nd, 2013
1:00 pm
I don’t have a problem with this since I have been aware
that writers, like gunslingers, shoot at who they are paid to
shoot at. Readers who accept blindly are the problem.
td
March 2nd, 2013
1:00 pm
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
12:57 pm
The only reason rush did not go to prison for his oxy addiction is his money.
No sh1t Sherlock. For you to not realize that the justice system in this country only sees the color of green shows how uninformed you are. OJ, Charlie Rangle and Michael Jackson have been kept out of prison only because of their money as well.
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
1:02 pm
Republicans control the House of Representatives and will until at least 2022… .
What happens then? The official death of American fascism?
You Republicans are corporatists, NOT conservatives.
Beginning with Reagan, you killed, murdered, slayed and executed actual American conservatism.
Invading crusaders, spending like drunken johns at a wh0re house, poisoning every living thing in sight for a few more dollars, treating minorities and women like it is still 1953, corporations are people, my friend and on and on and on.
You neocons have a lot of balls even calling yourselves conservatives…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft1K0LHyLmg
Look before I leap...
March 2nd, 2013
1:03 pm
“Republicans control the House of Representatives and will until at least 2022 – ”
You REALLY should stop with the predictions, because you really suck at it.
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
1:03 pm
td,
I am well aware of our justice system where money talks and the criminals walks.
I am pretty sure more broke criminals will hit the streets because of your cuts.
Enjoy.
GT
March 2nd, 2013
1:03 pm
I am totally convinced dumb people hear English differently than the more enlightened.
Michelle Obama is showing a healthy first lady. Where is the joke? Who is laughing, fat people? Because the rest of us see her being a example of how you show look and act. Hack job? In what life was a heathy active and hip woman married to the president of our country and being presented that way a hack job?
td
March 2nd, 2013
1:05 pm
TBS
March 2nd, 2013
12:46 pm
If you think Bill is a Conservative (right leaning moderate like a MItt Romney is more accurate) then it just proves how far to the left your thought process really is.
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
1:07 pm
…the justice system in this country only sees the color of green…
Ask the thousands of white collar criminals and banksters on Wall Street and elsewhere…
Besides we don’t need no stinking Uncle Sam to enforce any stinking laws, right?
We’ll just let the “free market” police itself!!!
And you neocons wonder why you are dying such a protracted and humiliating public death…
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
1:07 pm
Jam: Thanks for passing on my question as I now have to go and have decided I don’t want to talk about it lol. I’ll save it for another day. I have to get some more Marsala and celery for my Osso Buco
http://savoringtoday.com/2011/03/07/osso-buco-style-beef-short-ribs/
td
March 2nd, 2013
1:08 pm
Look before I leap…
March 2nd, 2013
1:03 pm
“Republicans control the House of Representatives and will until at least 2022 – ”
You REALLY should stop with the predictions, because you really suck at it.
That is not my prediction. It belongs to Nate Silver.
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
1:11 pm
To how just how eaten up he is with the Republican cancer, td capitalizes the word conservative incorrectly. (Though reverently, I’m sure.)
One more time, it reminds me of those racist tracts I’ve seen from yesteryear where the word White is always capitalized and the word black is never capitalized.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
1:12 pm
“Foreign governments with U.S. writers on their payroll?”
Rule #1: If it’s a liberal writer ………. free speech !
Rule #2: If it’s a conservative writer ………….. damn scummy !
Translation: Hypocrisy
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
1:13 pm
Recon:
Headline: “Marine generals showing rare dominance of top jobs”
http://www.livingstondaily.com/usatoday/article/1934129?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CFrontpage%7Cp
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
1:15 pm
Oh and Jam? That Rungren was awesome. I had never heard that before. I started to get one of those things back in that time period when I was jamming hard and playing in bands.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
1:15 pm
Recon:
This is halarious …………. re: the expertise of our V.P.
“Women Take Biden’s Shotgun Advice”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=Ia4csoQLvGY&NR=1
Peace
March 2nd, 2013
1:16 pm
Amen, td! You could add the names of most members of the current administration, from top to bottom.
“For you to not realize that the justice system in this country only sees the color of green shows how uninformed you are. OJ, Charlie Rangle and Michael Jackson have been kept out of prison only because of their money as well.”
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
1:16 pm
They call me MISTER JamVet.:
You mean like soldier, sailor, airman or Marine ?
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
1:17 pm
The dems in the house will attack the gop on cuts the way the gop attacked the dems on ObamaCare.
barking frog
March 2nd, 2013
1:17 pm
td
“Republicans control the House of Representatives and will until at least 2022 – ”
………………………………………………………………………………
however, the type of Republicans may change for the better….
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
1:17 pm
Scout@1:13: I noticed that a couple of weeks ago when I was looking at something else. That guy caught up in the Petraeus scandal was a Marine as well. It seemed new to me that a Marine General would hold the position that he held.
Semper Fi.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
1:18 pm
Joseph Kennedy (mouthpiece for communist propaganda)
Al Gore (mouthpiece for radical Islamic propaganda)
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
1:20 pm
Fred:
The Corps has been the last bastion of true warrior leadership (i.e., males & females still have separate bootcamps).
It has stood them well over the years but as time goes by they too will fall to poltical correctness.
Good people will die who didn’t need to because of it.
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
1:20 pm
No 1811 etc, more like Occutard…
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
1:21 pm
however, the type of Republicans may change for the better.
No, they will not change.
barking frog
March 2nd, 2013
1:21 pm
0311
They call me MISTER JamVet.:
You mean like soldier, sailor, airman or Marine ?
………………………………………………………………………….
actually, more like a Warrant Officer…….
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
1:24 pm
Damn you scout I have to GO……. quit posting funny stuff. That Biden/Shotgun video was hilarious. When they did the story the other day on the news about that ditzy girl that shot herself at school they showed her gun, it was pink. My daughter commented on it. I told her I started to buy her a pink pistol but decided to wait til she was 12. She said that’s what she wants, a pink pistol lol.
Anyway, check out this video is you haven’t seen it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzBvREYEQ8Y
barking frog
March 2nd, 2013
1:25 pm
getalife
however, the type of Republicans may change for the better.
No, they will not change.
…………………………………………………………………………..
I will reserve judgment until 2015….
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
1:26 pm
VIGILANCE !
This is why we will never trust liberals and we will fight “gun control”.
Headline (CBS): “Popular Standard Shotgun Could Be Banned Under Proposed Bill”
“A popular hunting shotgun could be banned under one of the bills moving through the state Capitol.
A pump or semi-automatic shotgun is the gun most hunters in Colorado use. It’s a gun state Sen. Greg Brophy, R-Wray, says could be banned under a bill that’s already passed the House and Gov. John Hickenlooper says he’ll sign.
“They’re coming after the standard shotgun,” Brophy told CBS4 Political Specialist Shaun ”
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/03/01/popular-standard-shotgun-could-be-banned-under-proposed-bill/
weetamoe
March 2nd, 2013
1:27 pm
I think it might be considered a personal attack if a couple of people you do not know use a common word that you yourself never heard and for that reason become targets of your willfully ignorant rage and you repeatedly call them liars.
TaxPayer
March 2nd, 2013
1:28 pm
Scummy people will do anything for a buck.
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
1:28 pm
frog,
Good luck with that.
td
March 2nd, 2013
1:29 pm
barking frog
March 2nd, 2013
1:17 pm
td
“Republicans control the House of Representatives and will until at least 2022 – ”
………………………………………………………………………………
however, the type of Republicans may change for the better….
I am not seeing any moderate Republican challenges to conservative Republican legislators.
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
1:31 pm
Scout: One last link. You will LOVE this guy. One of his partners was the guy who got shot about a month ago just north of Atlanta. He tests some really kick ass weapons.
http://www.youtube.com/user/FPSRussia
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
1:32 pm
Fred:
Nothing lasts forever.
When the following can no longer be said about Marines then it will be time for them to furl their flag and turn it all over to the Army.
“We have two companies of Marines running rampant all over the northern half of this island, and three Army regiments pinned down in the southwestern corner, doing nothing. What the hell is going on?”
Gen. John W. Vessey Jr., United States Army, Chairman of the the Joint Chiefs of Staff; during the assault on Grenada, 1983
td
March 2nd, 2013
1:32 pm
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
1:26 pm
Just read the article. Between the moves of the Progressives in CO to go along with NY, IL and MD it is very clear as to what the true progressive agenda is when it comes to the 2nd Amendment.
barking frog
March 2nd, 2013
1:33 pm
getalife
frog,
Good luck with that.
……………………………………………………………
It is the republicans that need the luck and I wish them well.
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
1:34 pm
Aw, how sweet. My stalker is here with one of his usual indecipherable posts. Hi Weetie. Don’t forget about the restraining order. I know you worship me but your love must remain unrequited……. but I feel your pain. Just for you sweetie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WISogScYNXA
td
March 2nd, 2013
1:35 pm
“Democrats are quick to attribute the Republican advantage in the House to gerrymandering. This is certainly a part of the story. Republicans benefited from having an extremely strong election in 2010, giving them control of the redistricting process in many states. (Although Democrats were no less aggressive about creating gerrymandered districts in states like Illinois.)”
“However, much or most of the Republican advantage in the House results from geography rather than deliberate attempts to gerrymander districts. Liberals tend to cluster in dense urban centers, creating districts in which Democrats might earn as much as 80 or 90 percent of the vote. In contrast, even the most conservative districts in the country tend not to give more than about 70 or 75 percent of their vote to Republicans. This means that Democrats have more wasted votes in the cities than Republicans do in the countryside, depriving Democrats of votes at the margin in swing districts. Eliminating partisan gerrymandering would reduce the G.O.P.’s advantage in the House but not eliminate it.”
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/26/did-democrats-get-lucky-in-the-electoral-college/
Look before I leap...
March 2nd, 2013
1:35 pm
“That is not my prediction. It belongs to Nate Silver.”
Nice of you to cite that as opposed to posting it as if you figured that out for yourself.
That said, I don’t recall seeing that in Silver’s blog. I’ve seen it in dailykos and John Kelly.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
1:35 pm
td:
Exactly !
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
1:35 pm
I hope they continue to lose for my country.
We know they can’t govern.
barking frog
March 2nd, 2013
1:36 pm
td
there are 4 elections til 2022.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
1:37 pm
Fred:
Good video but make sure you read my 1:26.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
1:37 pm
getalife:
Are you gong to give up your pump shotgun someday ?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
1:38 pm
“Scummy people will do anything for a buck.”
Yes ……… Al Gore ……. what was it ? $55 million ?
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
1:39 pm
I will let the cuts play out before opining on who will win in 14.
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
1:41 pm
scout,
I will not give up any of my guns unless I want to sell them for outrageous prices like I did already.
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
1:43 pm
Man it takes Jay a hell of a long time to get a cup of coffee. You reckon he had to grow the beans?
breckenridge
March 2nd, 2013
1:48 pm
TD make no mistake about it, the sun is rapidly setting on the religious right. Abortion, gay marriage, evolution, birth control, sex education – the GOP must get out of the filthy fundamentalist religion business or they are going to become irrelevant on a national basis. You just saw two examples of this last November in Indiana and Missouri.
And is there anything more foolish, stupid and childish than the belief that only born-again Christians can go to heaven? A belief held by the vast majority of the members of the two big cults in America, the Southern Baptists and the Pentecostals? If there is I don’t know what it would be.
RB from Gwinnett
March 2nd, 2013
1:49 pm
td, “Just read the article. Between the moves of the Progressives in CO to go along with NY, IL and MD it is very clear as to what the true progressive agenda is when it comes to the 2nd Amendment”
Did you see the proposed plan in WA that had citizens registering guns and giving the sherriff the right to make yearly home inspections? It’s pretty clear what they really want even if they aren’t willing to say it.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
1:53 pm
getalife:
You mean you would defy the law ????
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
1:55 pm
RB from Gwinnett:
Exactly ………. and that’s why we should fight EVERY proposal they make on gun violence issue if it involves new laws on the guns/ammo/magazines themselves.
Don’t give in one iota !!
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
1:55 pm
scout,
There is no law in Louisiana and there will never be a law to take guns in Louisiana.
Everybody down here are armed to the teeth and they actually use AR’s for hunting.
td
March 2nd, 2013
1:57 pm
breckenridge
March 2nd, 2013
1:48 pm
“TD make no mistake about it, the sun is rapidly setting on the religious right.”
You really think so? If you are a student of history then you will find that the harder the times the more religious people become. What do you think is going to happen when interest rates start to rise again (and they will rise eventually), and Social security and Medicare are truly in the red and there has to be real austerity cuts in social programs spending? Do you think people will find religion again in huge numbers? What do you think will happen the next time Muslim extremist attack this country on our own soil (and it will happen again). Will the masses turn to religion or will they become more secular?
td
March 2nd, 2013
1:59 pm
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
1:55 pm
RB from Gwinnett:
Exactly ………. and that’s why we should fight EVERY proposal they make on gun violence issue if it involves new laws on the guns/ammo/magazines themselves.
Don’t give in one iota !!
The Dems in states are proving the slippery slope arguments are real and true as to were guns are concerned. I agree with you 100%.
Recon 0311 2533
March 2nd, 2013
2:00 pm
It appears that Jay’s little hit piece on conservative pundits originated from a Cory Doctorow piece in Boing Boing. Both Doctorow and Boing Boing are far-left activists. We probably won’t see much more about this beyond Jay’s blog.
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
2:05 pm
The only thing that will pass in congress are better background checks so lets get real about guns.
td
March 2nd, 2013
2:05 pm
Rush’s new parody about the sequester. LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5hlHI12Pfc&feature=player_embedded
Peace
March 2nd, 2013
2:08 pm
Recon @ 2:00 p.m.
Jay has to get paid…
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
2:10 pm
You will probable see things passed that they agree on now.
Better background checks, immigration and gay marriage.
The gop will bend like they did on the violence against women to try to get some of those votes.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
2:11 pm
We probably won’t see much more about this beyond Jay’s blog.
Jay’s a day behind.
http://firedoglake.com/2013/03/01/late-night-former-third-world-nation-hires-third-rate-pundits/
http://wonkette.com/503837/heroic-right-wing-columnists-taking-malaysian-bribe-money-is-that-not-ok
barking frog
March 2nd, 2013
2:16 pm
getalife
I believe they will limit magazines to 10 rounds if a bill passes.
Background checks will remain as they are.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
2:22 pm
“The only thing that will pass in congress are better background checks so lets get real about guns.”
Geez !
I didn’t realize getalife was such a gun nut.
Go figure ! Right Kammie ??
YouLibs
March 2nd, 2013
2:23 pm
M
Thanks for the link at 10:42. Good read and right on the money.
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
2:26 pm
We probably won’t see much more about this beyond Jay’s blog.
Not sure who he means by we, but technically I suspect he is correct. (that old see no evil with the hands over the eyes thing, ya know…)
TD make no mistake about it, the sun is rapidly setting on the religious right.
Yep.
Christian conservatives, for more than two decades a pivotal force in American politics, are grappling with Election Day results that repudiated their influence and suggested that the cultural tide — especially on gay issues — has shifted against them.
They are reeling not only from the loss of the presidency, but from what many of them see as a rejection of their agenda. They lost fights against same-sex marriage in all four states where it was on the ballot, and saw anti-abortion-rights Senate candidates defeated and two states vote to legalize marijuana for recreational use.
It is not as though they did not put up a fight; they went all out as never before: The Rev. Billy Graham dropped any pretense of nonpartisanship and all but endorsed Mitt Romney for president. Roman Catholic bishops denounced President Obama’s policies as a threat to life, religious liberty and the traditional nuclear family. Ralph Reed’s Faith and Freedom Coalition distributed more voter guides in churches and contacted more homes by mail and phone than ever before.
Time to considering taking their tax exempt status away…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
2:29 pm
“I believe they will limit magazines to 10 rounds if a bill passes.”
You take three ten round mags and tape them together in a certain way (one in the middle and two outboard) and you have a 30 round capacity that will take about 2 seconds or less to change each magazine.
We taped our 20 round mags. in Nam that way so we had a quick 60 rounds available.
Geez !
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
2:29 pm
“I didn’t realize getalife was such a gun nut.”
I guess you read nothing about my views on guns but that is okay because I ignore most of your posts too.
Frog,
It is possible to limit the numbers of children slaughtered next time but doubt the gop would pass it.
They will probably add a mental health check to background checks and that will pass.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
2:35 pm
“Bias Bash: Media blames Woodward and defends Obama”
One thing good could come out of this Woodward thing. He may finally wake up and realize that he (and others) really screwed up in not venting Obama properly in the first place.
He and the mainstream media allowed the “stealth president” a free ride and now he (Woodward) is paying the “Chicago” price.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
2:36 pm
getalife:
Don’t take it so personal. We’ll take your vote on this one.
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
2:38 pm
scout,
I don’t take blogging personally.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 2nd, 2013
2:46 pm
It’s dark in the rabbit hole. It must be the stupidity that sucks the light of knowledge.
td
March 2nd, 2013
2:47 pm
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
2:38 pm
scout,
I don’t take blogging personally.
If you did then you would have probably went on a killing rampage by now.
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
2:49 pm
…allowed the “stealth president” a free ride..
Classic.
Coming from the birther idiots in that inept cult who swore he was not an American citizen…
Dang!
March 2nd, 2013
2:51 pm
Jay is a liberal opinion writer.
Jay writes liberal propaganda.
Jay gets paid for this.
What’s the difference?
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
2:53 pm
“If you did then you would have probably went on a killing rampage by now.”
You win some and lose some but we are all Americans..
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
3:05 pm
THE DEBT LIMIT !
THIS IS GREAT !!!
“A good illustration of what is happening in D.C.”
http://www.youtube.com/embed/Li0no7O9zmE
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
3:08 pm
td @ 2:47
LOL !
Yes ……… we’re all Americans !
Some patriotic and some not so patriotic.
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
3:09 pm
Rush’s new parody about the sequester. LOL
DAMN you td. Don’t do that to me. When you use the word RUSH and SONG together I think you mean the REAL Rush, not the druggie ass clown.
REAL RUSH (plus Bubbles): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs4qn_bHQQ0
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
3:11 pm
Starting to see some red flags on economic numbers again.
One thing you can count on is the gop destroying our economy.
TaxPayer
March 2nd, 2013
3:16 pm
One thing you can count on is the gop destroying our economy.
A result of their lack of patriotism.
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
3:16 pm
I can’t tell if this is a waste of good scallops or a new decadent delight. After once making an awesome balsamic vinegar/red wine reduction one time to go over scallops I had an epiphany. The reduction was extraordinarily good, but so were the scallops and they didn’t need a damn thing except the sea salt and ground pepper I seared them in…….. the reduction was wasted. Anyway, check this out:
http://thebitesizedblog.com/blog/2010/07/28/scallop-blt/#.UTJdSVfTA1L
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
3:16 pm
We will see negative growth and unemployment rising for the short term so your 401k’s will drop again.
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
3:18 pm
Tax,
There will be a patriotic vote in the house as they try to welch on military cuts.
Stevie Ray
March 2nd, 2013
3:18 pm
Brosephus™ – If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
11:55 am
My comment regarding the type of sleep you got last night was appropos of nothing related to this thread or anything you posted. With a new infant, my experience was that sleep was at a premium and that I could be a bit surly as a result.
Sorry you took it that way. In the future I will make a note to make sure and preface….
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
3:24 pm
“Jay is a liberal opinion writer.
Jay writes liberal propaganda.
Jay gets paid for this.
What’s the difference? “
OK. I’ll bite. What?
Stevie Ray
March 2nd, 2013
3:27 pm
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
3:09 pm
Well good afternoon Fred. I did note your well thought out response several hours ago about the difference between name calling and labeling. It truly was a the work of a master wordsmith and I certainly could learn much from your deflecting greatness.
I find the more useful contributions here involve constructive response to whatever is posted. I suggest that like Jay, I find Kyle competent, particularly at the target of his specific commentary. Your reply is to increase your emotional volume and label me as a means of a successful shoutdown. Further to portray a guy who puts it out there everyday in derrogatory tones…that are childish and suggest an inability to remove emotions out of the way anytime someone disagrees with whatever you politics are…
Suggests incompetency at a minimum…yes that’s a label.
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
3:27 pm
“Jay writes liberal propaganda.”
Got proof?
BSNBC
March 2nd, 2013
3:29 pm
Do not slam our state media! Al Sharpton, Rachael Meadows and those other America haters helped get Obama elected!
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
3:30 pm
Do not slam our state media! Al Sharpton, Rachael Meadows and those other America haters helped get Obama elected!
Wow, every day we get more and more proof that there just isn’t any cure for stupid………
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
3:31 pm
At least Bernanke will keep easing 85 billion a month to help the markets but investors are saying don’t panic.
Income has dropped big and there is no help from government on jobs .
I think there is a big market correction coming because consumers have no money to buy things.
Stevie Ray
March 2nd, 2013
3:35 pm
TaxPayer
March 2nd, 2013
3:16 pm
So much for that old checks and balances eh? It’s really a trivial amount which is easily manageable if left up to department heads. Even BO suggested before that there is plenty of fat in entitlements that can be carved without impact on recipients.
Seems the gloom doom and despair BS is something liberals are wishing for simply to prove a political point. Expand the (not cuts) $85 billion slow in growth program to entitlement waste and its easy. Funny how BO extended Bush tax cuts because it was not the time…now things appear to be different.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
3:38 pm
Funny how BO extended Bush tax cuts because it was not the time…
Not intended to be a factual statement.
breckenridge
March 2nd, 2013
3:38 pm
TD – You are completely off in the weeds. Back in 2007 15% of Americans identified themselves as non-Christians. That had increased to 20% by 2012 and will be at 25% by 2017. And in 2020 the number of Americans that believe the Bible is word-for-word true will drop under 30%.
History? Yeah, let’s talk history, let’s talk about the greatest political thinker America has ever produced, the Father of the Constitution and the Father of the Bill of Rights, James Madison.
“That diabolical, hell-conceived principle of persecution rages among some; and to their eternal infamy, the clergy can furnish their quota of impas for such business.” James Madison, 1774.
“Ecclesiastical establishments tend to great ignorance and corruption, all of which facilitate the execution of mischievous projects.” James Madison, 1774.
“What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people.” James Madison, 1785.
Stevie Ray
March 2nd, 2013
3:40 pm
Is it just me but are all assumptions about the down trodden middle class seem to assume that all of them currently live beyond their means?
I realize living beyond means is our culture as reflected and confirmed by the fact that we have to borrow almost 40 cents on the dollar for government maintenance.
No way we make any headway out of our continued spending/revenue spiral with the current lot in DC unless everyone pitches in…we can’t get out of this leaning on the 1%….overrated as a solution..
TaxPayer
March 2nd, 2013
3:42 pm
Funny how Republicans were willing to implement those Bush tax cuts without introducing a single solitary spending cut as an offset. Funny how Republicans waged two wars without asking the tax payers for a single solitary dime to pay for them. Nah. Not really funny at all. Cowardly is more like it.
Stevie Ray
March 2nd, 2013
3:47 pm
kamchak
From the horses mouth:
“It’s a good deal for the American people. This is progress. And that’s what they sent us here to achieve. ”
The package breezed through the Senate earlier this week on a vote of 81 to 19, giving Obama his strongest bipartisan victory on a major initiative since he took office.
Of course that was the only bi partisan thing he has accomplished of merit. Funny how times change..wouldn’t you agree?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/16/AR2010121606200_2.html?sid=ST2011022703543
Of course who but you to judge the validity of factual statements…you rock!
Stevie Ray
March 2nd, 2013
3:48 pm
TaxPayer
March 2nd, 2013
3:42 pm
It is kinda….well 2013 which I trust even you would validate as a true statement. Got anything new?
td
March 2nd, 2013
3:49 pm
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
3:09 pm
Rush’s new parody about the sequester. LOL
DAMN you td. Don’t do that to me. When you use the word RUSH and SONG together I think you mean the REAL Rush,
You just gave the biggest belly roll laugh I have ever had on a blog by just imagining your surprise when you opened the Rush link.
Thank you
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
3:50 pm
Of course who but you to judge the validity of factual statements…you rock!
This particular bit of silliness has been addressed and debunked here numerous times.
Maybe you can borrow the notes from one of your classmates who was actually paying attention in class.
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
3:50 pm
I find the more useful contributions here involve constructive response to whatever is posted. I suggest that like Jay, I find Kyle competent, particularly at the target of his specific commentary. Your reply is to increase your emotional volume and label me as a means of a successful shoutdown. Further to portray a guy who puts it out there everyday in derrogatory tones…that are childish and suggest an inability to remove emotions out of the way anytime someone disagrees with whatever you politics are…
Suggests incompetency at a minimum…yes that’s a label.
I believe Shakespeare wrote a play the title of which could sum up your post. Much ado about nothing.
I’m sure you are prepared to show examples of this “emotional volume.” I see you are quite fond of your passive aggressive “emotional” argument. Perhaps you could show us all some evidence of it. Perhaps a clinical definition so that we all can see if your examples fit the parameters or if this is just something you spent several hours fabricating.
You allege many things in your P/A attacks yet you don;t really say anything of substance. I’ll go cut some veggies while I wait several hours for your to contrive your next reply.
You see sport, you are exposed. You don’t like that, but it is what it is. Now you are trying to get in a pissing contest with Brocephus. How long before you try this little “emotional” argument on him?
Your basic fallacy is your belief that I typically have ANY emotions on this message board other than amusement. Hell, I laugh over half the time I’m typing something out. You are so far from the truth and your inability to even begin to fathom the truths I type to you are quite amusing.
but thanks for playing.
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
3:50 pm
Basically, everyone is feeling the pain that had to come at some point.
The wealthy pay higher taxes and the rest suffer with cuts and no jobs plan.
The speaker said no more taxes and our President should say no more cuts and work on his agenda.
TaxPayer
March 2nd, 2013
3:52 pm
Stevie Ray,
Your lame attempt at ignoring the past is well… lame. Got anything not so lame.
Stevie Ray
March 2nd, 2013
3:52 pm
breckenridge
March 2nd, 2013
3:38 pm
I was watching a show on the physics surrounding the evolution of earth as a planet last evening. I’m far from a religious person so I was shocked to know how the Christian concept of the earth being 6,000 years old was calculated. Apparently, some religious guy added up the collective ages of certain Biblical scribes and came up with 4,000 or so. Ergo, if you add the 2,000 ACE, you arrive at 6,000 years old.
Mystifying.
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
3:53 pm
Oh and Stevie? Sorry I missed your post before. I don’t see how. In the interim I was reading a course I am taking. Perhaps you would like it or something else unless you are merely a pseudo intellectual. I offer you access to some of the finest minds on our planet:
https://www.coursera.org/course/aids (course I was working on)
https://www.coursera.org/ (gateway to untold knowledge)
Welcome to the Occupation
March 2nd, 2013
3:53 pm
Stevie Ray: “Is it just me but are all assumptions about the down trodden middle class seem to assume that all of them currently live beyond their means?”
Of course. The entire economic system since the 1970s has been based on the vast majority of consumers living “beyond their means”, namely on credit. The whole post-Bretton Woods system which started in the 70s and really got going under Reagan, which consisted of high budget deficits with heavy defense spending, was predicated precisely on boundless growth of consumer spending. And since at just the same time unions were being undermined, globalization was expanding and the incomes of working families were sagging even as productivity steadily increased, the result was an explosion of consumer debt, along with unrealistically expanding mortgage debt.
So, yeah, until the fundamental problem underlying it all — sagging incomes and increasing scarcity of good paying jobs — is dealt with, it will continue to worsen. But the problem is an economic system that is broken, not people living beyond their means.
Stevie Ray
March 2nd, 2013
3:57 pm
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
3:50 pm
Res Ipsa Loquitor there big man….I guess I will write what substantive points I submit in a more appropriate grade level. That way, you may actually have to stay on topic …in this example if we can go back to the beginning, was your emotional response to my compliment of Kyle…
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
3:59 pm
Yeah, get real meat @3:29, keep trying to convince yourself how patriotic you are all the while you’re trying to drown Uncle Sam in a bathtub.
I’ve got real bad news for you – non-Republicans are not as stupid and blind as you want them to be…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
4:01 pm
But the problem is an economic system that is broken, not people living beyond their means.
Yep.
http://prospect.org/article/industrial-policy-road-not-taken
Stevie Ray
March 2nd, 2013
4:02 pm
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
3:53 pm
I regret getting into a flame throwing contest with you…I found the criticism of Kyle out of line. I don’t like all his politics but I find him thoughtful and bright. Same as Jay, George Will, and any number of pundits on either side. Whether I agree or not is not paramount. Learning something is the goal.
I am a mathmetician which in no way shape or form suggests I’m to be confused as an intellectual. I’m just curious and question everything…
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
4:04 pm
“But the problem is an economic system that is broken, not people living beyond their means. – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=3#comment-1249002”
They aren’t mutually exclusive.
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
4:05 pm
“The President does not particularly like the Washington press corps,” Gregory said. “And I think that feeling is mutual in a lot of respects. And so there’s not a great relationship between that Washington establishment and the President.” HP
Lets stop the mindless bs about the corporate media helping the President.
It is corporate media
Stevie Ray
March 2nd, 2013
4:07 pm
TaxPayer
March 2nd, 2013
3:52 pm
I’d have to disagree with you. I google “Obama blames” and got 8,780,000 hits. Granted a material amount are redundent but even you have to chuckle at that.
I googled “Bush blames..” and got 1,100,000 hits…
In retrospect, I like Bill Clinton…when I google “Clinton blames.” I get 228,000 hits….trend is not good.
If you are a true progressive, it might be time to move forward and focus what can be done as opposed to lamenting on the past and laying blame at every turn to protect you guy..
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
4:10 pm
About 7,250,000 results (0.25 seconds) on Bush blames
TaxPayer
March 2nd, 2013
4:11 pm
Stevie Ray,
I am unimpressed with your unscientific approach to determining who is to blame for something. And you call yourself a mathematician. You should demand a refund from that “school” you attended.
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
4:11 pm
Now he will blame the cuts.
TaxPayer
March 2nd, 2013
4:13 pm
P.S.
You got anything not so lame, Stevie Ray.
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
4:13 pm
Tax,
That is a very weak argument and he lied about Bush blames.
Do you think stevie is credible?
indigo
March 2nd, 2013
4:13 pm
It looks like the cons here are convinced liberals are just as guilty of
“scummy” behavior as conservatives.
They are taking great delight in pointing this out but, somehow, aren’t bothering to vigorously condemn the behavior itself.
I wonder why this is?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
4:15 pm
About 7,250,000 results (0.25 seconds) on Bush blames
Ruh, roh.
Mathematicians who lie about numbers should wear flame resistant pants.
TaxPayer
March 2nd, 2013
4:20 pm
Primary sources of our national debt (prior to the termination of a portion of the Bush temporary tax cuts).
barking frog
March 2nd, 2013
4:21 pm
Mathematicians who lie about numbers should wear flame resistant pants
………………………………………………………………………….
no mas pantalones….
TaxPayer
March 2nd, 2013
4:22 pm
Do you think stevie is credible?
Did you deliberately leave off the “in-” to throw me off.
Welcome to the Occupation
March 2nd, 2013
4:22 pm
Doggone: “But the problem is an economic system that is broken, not people living beyond their means” /
“They aren’t mutually exclusive.”
Not saying they are. I’m saying there is one explanation that is far more accurate as a description of our current predicament than the other. To say that the economic system is fundamentally broken means that both the global system is highly unstable and likely to become more so, and the political economy of the US is incompatible with the social expectations that have been nurtured in over a half century of unprecedented widespread prosperity and freedom, which is incompatible with the sort of oligarchic and increasingly authoritarian crony capitalism that has now taken hold. We are not Singapore. So there is going to be enormous social struggle.
Recon 0311 2533
March 2nd, 2013
4:28 pm
0311/8541@1:15
Yeah, old crazy Joe really knows his weaponry.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
4:28 pm
Liar, liar with your pants on fire
White spades hangin’ on the telephone wire
Gamblers reevaluate along the dotted line
You’ll never recognize yourself on Heartattack and Vine
td
March 2nd, 2013
4:40 pm
Welcome to the Occupation
March 2nd, 2013
4:22 pm
I think you should consider the relationship between single parent households, two parent households and education levels in each as compared to household income. I think that study would enlighten you a lot more to where the economics of the nation is doing.
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
4:40 pm
…an economic system that is broken…
I disagree.
Our economic system is functioning incredibly well.
Just not for the bottom 85% or so of us.
But yes, for a tiny percentage of Americans – the landed gentry – these are the best times in American history! And given the self-destructive stupidity of millions of our right wing serfs, they’ll never end!
Guy
March 2nd, 2013
4:41 pm
Liberal and conservative writers both insist they are always the ones with all the correct answers. Choose the ones who you want to follow and move on. No side knows all the answers anyway. Do your own thinking anyway! Opinions are like rear ends anyway. Everyone has one! Let the sarcastic remarks begin!
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
4:45 pm
“So there is going to be enormous social struggle.”
Yes, there may be…but maybe no in the way you are thinking. There are more and more low-wage people around the world who are beginning to see that they don’t HAVE to be low-wage. And that might lead to a lot of social struggle. Whether it’s peaceful or violent remains to be seen.
Welcome to the Occupation
March 2nd, 2013
4:50 pm
td : ” think you should consider the relationship between single parent households, two parent households and education levels in each as compared to household income”
Marriage has increasingly become a luxury status that is out of reach, or is at the very least a great struggle, for wide swaths of the population. The reason for that is the collapse of social institutions and political representation for working populations, who have been left to fend for themselves. The increasing stress and struggle of making ends meet takes a tremendous toll and largely explains the decline in social mores you mention.
JamVet: I largely agree of course. But that’s why I turn in my above post to the question of political economy, the interrelation between the economy and the social political norms underlying it. It’s one thing to set up an authoritarian oligarchic form of capitalism in a country like Singapore. It’s quite another thing to try to do it in a country like the US. That is not going to go well.
td
March 2nd, 2013
4:58 pm
Welcome to the Occupation
March 2nd, 2013
4:50 pm
td : ” think you should consider the relationship between single parent households, two parent households and education levels in each as compared to household income”
“Marriage has increasingly become a luxury status that is out of reach, or is at the very least a great struggle, for wide swaths of the population.”
That statement does not pass the common sense test. It is always easier to combine resources of two people then it is for each individual to try to make it on their own.
Welcome to the Occupation
March 2nd, 2013
5:12 pm
Doggone: ” There are more and more low-wage people around the world who are beginning to see that they don’t HAVE to be low-wage”
No that’s EXACTLY the kind of struggle I have in mind. That’s precisely what you’re beginning to see in China, for example, where worker militancy is on the rise. Under capitalism workers will be told that they HAVE to be low-wage for now, while they keep their nose to the grindstone and try to work up. When it becomes clear to them that only a small number will make the transition, they will either accept it, or not.
The US of course has a confusing, mixed history on this. On the one hand, as Toqueville said, the US has virtually zero inherent class consciousness in the sense of the old European nations. That’s one of the reasons that we’ve never had a truly left party of our own, a labor party, or even a decent vanilla social democratic party. On the other hand, if you go back a hundred years, the United States was right at the forefront of labor militancy, right up there with Russia and Germany. We don’t think of these things today, largely because labor militancy was ruthlessly and systematically decimated in this country.
But in the years to come, when it starts to become clear that the anemic growth we’ve seen IS the new normal, let alone when the next systemic world supercrisis hits (and it will hit), we might see a resurgence of the history of labor militancy in this country which has been dormant for so long.
dixie normous
March 2nd, 2013
5:13 pm
John Kerry said that you have the right to be stupid. These obama supporters exercise that right every day.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
5:14 pm
That statement does not pass the common sense test.
Yeah, it really does.
Not surprised that you don’t get it, though.
Guy
March 2nd, 2013
5:14 pm
I also think there will be tremendous social struggles ahead. Greed and lack of education will seal the deal.Maybe not!
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
5:15 pm
The end game will be socialism after the younger generation revolts against the establishment.
History repeating itself again.
TBS
March 2nd, 2013
5:16 pm
Scout
What exactly has the media not vetted out about Obama that millions of dollars in research and investigation from Republican and other sources have not found out?
I know it is great to believe everything you read at WND, but what exactly hasn’t been vetted?
django
March 2nd, 2013
5:16 pm
Jay your a paid shill fro the dem party and bash Republicans ever day. Whats the difference? You cover for the most inept pathetic President in our nation’s history….
TBS
March 2nd, 2013
5:17 pm
little dix
Why no comment on Jindal calling the Repubs the Stupid Party?
USA Patriot
March 2nd, 2013
5:17 pm
Okay, trivia question:
What do the Prime Minister of England, the President of the United States, and a kitchen have in common?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
5:18 pm
You cover for the most inept pathetic President in our nation’s history….
And yet, Romney still couldn’t defeat him.
Maybe y’all should gone with Elmer Fudd instead, huh?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
5:20 pm
What do the Prime Minister of England, the President of the United States, and a kitchen have in common?
They are both the subject of a mass email sent out to faithful conservatrolls that is about to be repeated here by one of our resident sock-puppets.
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
5:23 pm
“we might see a resurgence of the history of labor militancy in this country which has been dormant for so long. – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=4#comment-1249044”
And that might depend on which side “wins” the government “control” of the economy. Labor movements are only neccessary when business and government stand in opposition to labor. But if government wakes up and realizes that labor is where ALL of the money comes from…then government COULD (not neccessarily would) make a labor movement unneccessary.
After all, the goal of a labor movement is to make itself unneeded.
td
March 2nd, 2013
5:23 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
5:14 pm
That statement does not pass the common sense test.
Yeah, it really does.
Not surprised that you don’t get it, though.
Then please explain it to me?
USA Patriot
March 2nd, 2013
5:23 pm
Oh, come on Kam, Chill!
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
5:24 pm
“Jay your a paid shill fro the dem party and bash Republicans ever day – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=4#comment-1249060”
On the other hand, you are dumb enough to shill for the Republicans for free
USA Patriot
March 2nd, 2013
5:27 pm
Kam, just a trivia question with no political leaning one way or the other. Think my friend, think!
td
March 2nd, 2013
5:29 pm
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
5:23 pm
“After all, the goal of a labor movement is to make itself unneeded.”
The goal of the labor movement is to enrich itself as much as possible.
I was a member of a union at Lockheed that encouraged all its members to vote for Mondale even after he said he would cut defense spending if elected. But making the union stronger was more important then protecting the jobs of the members.
Welcome to the Occupation
March 2nd, 2013
5:30 pm
td: “Marriage has increasingly become a luxury status that is out of reach, or is at the very least a great struggle, for wide swaths of the population.” /
“That statement does not pass the common sense test. It is always easier to combine resources of two people then it is for each individual to try to make it on their own”:
How’s this for a common sense test: it is generally those of means who have “resources” to combine in a marriage. Which is why marriage has historically been such a big deal – like a business transaction – for the nobility and aristocrats.
Yes, in some societies and throughout much of history peasants and humble people of the land have been able marry and survive together under great material hardship. But again, under our current atomized social conditions and capitalist culture of acquisition predicated on a myth of individualism we are not going to be able to just conjure up the world of humble virtue you’re talking about and which conservatives like Charles Murray and his ilk breezily propagandize about at the snap of a finger. Not without a renewed social compact with solidarity across class lines. But to do that, you’d have to give up the fantasy of the humble peasant or virtuous worker who pulls himself up. So it’s a vicious circle.
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
5:33 pm
“But making the union stronger was more important then protecting the jobs of the members – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=4#comment-1249063”
Not my problem. I’m talking about the future, not not the past. So I don’t see the point of your story.
Welcome to the Occupation
March 2nd, 2013
5:35 pm
Doggone: “Labor movements are only neccessary when business and government stand in opposition to labor.”
Which they are doing right now as almost never before.
“But if government wakes up and realizes that labor is where ALL of the money comes from…”
Which it won’t without pressure from below. Pressure from worker organization.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
5:36 pm
Then please explain it to me?
I’d rather try to explain algebra to a termite.
USA Patriot
March 2nd, 2013
5:37 pm
Okay, forget the trivia question. Was trying to add a bit of levity and failed miserably. Carry on with your dribble.
Welcome – do ya think ya think too much? Sheesh!
td
March 2nd, 2013
5:37 pm
Welcome to the Occupation
March 2nd, 2013
5:30 pm
And what exactly would that “new social compact” look like that would encouage the peasants to join together and combine resources?
Guy
March 2nd, 2013
5:38 pm
Getalife, your last remarks said the truth,the whole truth,and nothing but the truth. Theywill learn nothing is free.
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
5:39 pm
“Which it won’t without pressure from below. Pressure from worker organization. – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=4#comment-1249067”
Certainly, I never said otherwise. The question is: how MUCH pressure will it take? And I suspect that will depend on who has the most control of the government
td
March 2nd, 2013
5:40 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
5:36 pm
Then please explain it to me?
I’d rather try to explain algebra to a termite.
In other words you are just running off at the mouth and do not know what you are talking about. Got it.
Note to self: Kam does not have the capacity to actually carry on an intellectual conversation.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
5:44 pm
In other words you are just running off at the mouth and do not know what you are talking about.
Thanks for proving my point, sport.
josef
March 2nd, 2013
5:46 pm
THE TOPIC DU JOUR
So? Where’s the news in that?
FRED
Bonjour, Buddy. Permette-moi de demander à toi quelque chose. Quand ce sera que tu vas apprendre que se disputer avec un athée militant est le même que d’essayer d’avoir une conversation sensée avec un prêtre fondamentaliste?
USA
Ciao bene. Com’è la vita a casa tua questa fine di settimana cazzo di freddo?
So, y’all what’s up for debate or smart assed comment?
Towncrier
March 2nd, 2013
5:47 pm
“You take secret, undisclosed money from a foreign government to write hit pieces in U.S. media against a man, in this case Anwar Ibrahim, who is struggling to bring democracy to his country and was beaten and imprisoned for years for daring to challenge the dictatorial government?”
And what motivates “writers” such as yourself to write “hit pieces”? Are you not being paid for that?
indigo
March 2nd, 2013
5:49 pm
django – 5:16 “you cover for the most inept pathetic President in our nation’s history”
Says the adolesent homeschooler who is still trying to make it to the 9th grade.
Towncrier
March 2nd, 2013
5:51 pm
Hmm…maybe Obama is helping the economy after all:
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/03/01/nh-gun-store-depicts-obama-as-firearms-salesman-of-the-year/
josef
March 2nd, 2013
5:52 pm
Django
Where did you get the handle? Do you know what it means?
Towncrier
March 2nd, 2013
5:55 pm
Bloomberg redefines stupidity:
http://politicker.com/2013/03/mayor-bloomberg-dont-panic-about-the-sequester/
josef
March 2nd, 2013
5:55 pm
indigo
One would think that if you’re going to take swipes at someone else’s educational level, you’d check your own spelling and grammar…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
6:00 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvExMnIPP4c
TBS
March 2nd, 2013
6:02 pm
indigo
Are you aware that everyone that doesn’t share you views on a particular issue are not all home schooled or evangelical Christians?
Some of our regulars could have been home schooled and certainly some are evangelicals, but that seems to be your tried and true put down when in fact the majority of the issues being discussed have nothing to with where the blogger went to school or their religious beliefs.
TBS
March 2nd, 2013
6:05 pm
Indigo
I hereby announce that the left leaning bloggers are putting you on waivers. Not sure if any other team will pick you up, but certainly wish you well.
Jay
March 2nd, 2013
6:05 pm
Crier, I am being paid, up front, to write what I believe.
I am not being paid under the table, by a foreign government, to perhaps alter what I claim to believe in order to support a dictatorial government.
If that distinction is not clear to you, I am unable to help you.
josef
March 2nd, 2013
6:05 pm
TBS
He’s what Dean Kuntz would call “a born again moron.”
josef
March 2nd, 2013
6:07 pm
Aw, shoot, here I came spoiling for a name calling and labeling brawl and here comes Big Daddy…now I gotta pretend to be nice and civil…
Towncrier
March 2nd, 2013
6:08 pm
Who was accepted at Yale, Harvard and Oxford and attended the latter as a Rhodes Scholar? Hint: it wasn’t a community organizer.
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/341834/president-obama-s-legacy-government-greed-gov-bobby-jindal
Welcome to the Occupation
March 2nd, 2013
6:09 pm
Doggone, trim your posts!
josef
March 2nd, 2013
6:18 pm
DOGGONE
My nephew sent me this headline
Homicide Victims Rarely Talk to Police
I thought of you…
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
6:19 pm
Josef..OMG, you’ve got to be kidding! And people get PAID to write stuff like that!
Towncrier
March 2nd, 2013
6:20 pm
“Crier, I am being paid, up front, to write what I believe.”
You are getting paid up front to write, but unless you are a lot less smarter than I imagine you to be, you cannot really believe all of the one-sided propaganda you serve up much of the time ( I certainly don’t buy a lot of what GOP leaders have said over the years and rarely defend any of them since most of them are self serving politicians). And that is why I can only conclude many of your columns are “hit pieces”. And from a moral standpoint, I don’t see all that much difference between supporting in writing a kind of infanticide (unlimited abortions) and supporting a dictator. If me saying that offends your sensibilities, I am sorry. But abortion is just sickeningly wrong.
Jay
March 2nd, 2013
6:23 pm
Then I’m stupid, Crier.
I’d rather be that than be selling stuff I know not to be true.
josef
March 2nd, 2013
6:24 pm
DOGGONE
I thought you’d like that one. The article was about how seldom victims had talked to police BEFORE they became victims, but….
One of his colleagues, a pathologist, took issue with his jocularity…
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
6:24 pm
“You are getting paid up front to write, but unless you are a lot less smarter than I imagine you to be, you cannot really believe all of the one-sided propaganda you serve up much of the time – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=4#comment-1249092”
Looks like Jay is right…you can’t see the difference
TBS
March 2nd, 2013
6:25 pm
You guys behave…….
Can’t deal with “closet” cases.
peace
MiltonMan
March 2nd, 2013
6:26 pm
Too bad Jay did not write a piece about the great democratic city of Detroit being taken over by the state of Michigan
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
6:26 pm
Josef, yeah…but.
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
6:28 pm
And even as I wander,
I’m keeping you in sight.
You’re a candle in the window,
On a cold, dark winter’s night.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuyWr7_Higo
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
6:29 pm
“Too bad Jay did not write a piece about the great democratic city of Detroit being taken over by the state of Michigan – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=4#comment-1249099”
blogspot.com is ready when you are
Jay
March 2nd, 2013
6:29 pm
All these lazy bloggers with all these supposedly great ideas for blog posts, but they want somebody else to write the pieces for them rather than do it themselves.
Milton Man, maybe you should write Josh Trevino and ask him to go with your idea. But you should probably include a check when you do.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think
March 2nd, 2013
6:31 pm
Hey everybody, having a good time?
Crier,
Yes, abortion is “sickingly wrong”, but so is trying to take away the right of a woman to own her own body…having said that, the lessening of abortions would be quite easy if contraception was more readily available. Get religion out of it and accept the fact that the human being is a sexually social animal. The Maker made us that way. It’s plain stupid to try to prevent what is a natural biological function. If you want to stop abortion, scream your loudest to your Congress Person to pass a good birth control bill paid for by medical insurance….simple as that.
josef
March 2nd, 2013
6:31 pm
IMAM
Did you catch Kerry’s little set-to with Erdogan? Looks like your boy Hagel’s got his work cut out for him!
Ray
March 2nd, 2013
6:31 pm
Webster’s:
“Philosophy of government that stresses the primacy and glory of the state, unquestioning obedience to its leader, subordination of the individual will to the state’s authority, and harsh suppression of dissent. Martial virtues are celebrated, while liberal and democratic values are disparaged. Fascism arose during the 1920s and ’30s partly out of fear of the rising power of the working classes; it differed from contemporary communism (as practiced under Joseph Stalin) by its protection of business and landowning elites and its preservation of class systems. The leaders of the fascist governments of Italy (1922–43), Germany (1933–45), and Spain (1939–75)—Benito Mussolini, Adolf Hitler, and Francisco Franco—were portrayed to their publics as embodiments of the strength and resolve necessary to rescue their nations from political and economic chaos. Japanese fascists (1936–45) fostered belief in the uniqueness of the Japanese spirit and taught subordination to the state and personal sacrifice. See also totalitarianism; neofascism”.
kayaker 71
March 2nd, 2013
6:31 pm
Bookman,
Most of us on the right would accept some of your blatant bias if, just once in a awhile, you would deviate a bit from the standard fare and present a thread where you took a middle of the ground type of stand and let the bloggers decide for themselves what was correct and what was not. But this incessant liberal bias, some of which has little to no credibility, is not only insulting to anyone’s intellect but serves no purpose but to keep you in a job with a liberal newspaper. Perhaps you have to do this to satisfy your leaders but after awhile, it gets pretty predictable. This clown in the WH has faults, lots of them, but to hear it from you, he has none. Woodward learned what it meant to deviate from the liberal message….. perhaps you might try it. They are not always right, you know.
Jay
March 2nd, 2013
6:32 pm
I’ve seen reports on it, Josef. But not any video.
Welcome to the Occupation
March 2nd, 2013
6:32 pm
Towncrier: “But abortion is just sickeningly wrong”
Well, some of us disagree.
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
6:32 pm
Play me one more song,
That I’ll always remember,
And I can recall,
Whenever I find myself too all alone,
I can sing me home.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWge0KIhkoE
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
6:32 pm
“All these lazy bloggers with all these supposedly great ideas for blog posts, but they want somebody else to write the pieces – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=4#comment-1249102”
Yeah, we’ve noticed..the more they spout about being “independent” the more likely they are to want someone else to do their work for them
josef
March 2nd, 2013
6:33 pm
I wouldn’t say Big Daddy can’t be bought, but he ain’t cheap.
josef
March 2nd, 2013
6:34 pm
JAY
I haven’t seen any video either…I would sure have liked to have been a fly on the wall for that one, though!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
6:35 pm
… but after awhile, it gets pretty predictable.
Do you need on of us to cal 911 for you?
Have you been kidnapped, held hostage and forced to read and respond to this blog against your will?
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
6:36 pm
“Towncrier: “But abortion is just sickeningly wrong” – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=4#comment-1249112”
Then take it up with your God. As long as there are natural abortions it can’t be all THAT “wrong” to your God.
josef
March 2nd, 2013
6:38 pm
K’CHAK
@ 6:35
And won’t anybody pay the ransom for Red Chief…
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
6:38 pm
Ask the man in your heart for the answers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSOaLugmdSY
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
6:41 pm
And it’s only my will that keeps me alive
I’ve been licked, washed up for years
And I merely survive because of my pride
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_8KpR49bFI
josef
March 2nd, 2013
6:41 pm
Lazy bloggers? I work hard at this, thank-you…
Towncrier
March 2nd, 2013
6:42 pm
Well, Jay, looks like you have your “marching orders” from no less a heroic figure than Harry Reid himself:
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/sen-reid-press-you-guys-have-obligation-report-democrats-are-right#
Now, do you REALLY think Reid is a good, honest, wise and honorable man? If not, why are you “in bed” with him and the other clowns in the Democratic party who bear just as much responsibility for where we are as a nation as the clowns in the GOP, by writing cheerleading pieces?
And, regarding the other day, why is a one of two year leveling off of spending and indication that spending is not increasing anymore (despite the obvious entitlement spending tsunami about to hit us) but a 15 or more year leveling off of global temperatures is not a sign that global warming has ceased?
DannyX
March 2nd, 2013
6:42 pm
“All these lazy bloggers with all these supposedly great ideas for blog posts, but they want somebody else to write the pieces”
Hey they’re not too lazy to copy and paste the latest crazy chain email, or post a silly Drudge headline.
Then there are those like Kayaker who has the energy to write a whiny post about the “incessant liberal bias,” but hasn’t posted anything that has ever strayed from his own far right bias, ever.
Crazy Cracker
March 2nd, 2013
6:44 pm
“Lazy bloggers? I work hard at this, thank-you…”
Buuurrrrpppp! I don’t know who he’s calling lazy. I get my own beers.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
6:46 pm
Well, Jay, looks like you have your “marching orders” from no less a heroic figure than Harry Reid himself
Sock-puppet drudgey spammers say, “What?”
josef
March 2nd, 2013
6:47 pm
CRAZY
Hey, I’m privileged elite. I’ve got my own live-in bartender…long’s I’m here with “that pack of social malcontents you hang out with on the blog,” he gets a break.
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
6:47 pm
It’s in every one of us to be wise
Find your heart
And open up both your eyes
We can all know every thing
Without ever knowing why
It’s in every one of us by and by
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCvWZoom_cA
kayaker 71
March 2nd, 2013
6:47 pm
Kamchak, 6:35,
No, I have not been held captive and been forced to read anything against my will. Perhaps the format for these threads have to fit a certain mode to allow the AJC to fulfill their aim in life to be a liberal rag. Perhaps Bookman is not really a journalist but just some kind of liberal mouthpiece that satisfies the needs of his liberal bloggers. It that is the case, why not just write a liberal column and do away with the predictable liberal comments, the needs of which I have yet to figure out.
One of the finest journalists that I have ever heard or witnessed was Tim Russert. He had the talent to take a discussion and get the very best from everyone out of it. He was not overly biased but could express an opinion so as not to look stupid and at the same time, he left most of the demonic rhetoric at the door. It takes a certain talent to do this. Bookman is stuck in a rut. He fulfills a function at the AJC but, when you walk away and look at it from a distance, there is not much there. Just a predictable diatribe which satisfies his liberal sheep but doesn’t come close to telling the whole story.
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
6:47 pm
Where is your blog crier?
bman.
March 2nd, 2013
6:48 pm
That was a short musical break. Did the youtube server crash or something?
Recon 0311 2533
March 2nd, 2013
6:49 pm
K71,
Jay’s a very far-left guy and he earns his living being one for the AJC who pays him to write about the far-left agenda. He’s not going to take conservative viewpoints and support us on his blog.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
6:50 pm
No, I have not been held captive and been forced to read anything against my will.
Well then, don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out.
Sport.
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
6:51 pm
Where is your blog kay?
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
6:52 pm
Cursum perficio.
Verbum sapienti:
quo plus habent,
eo plus cupiunt.
Post nubila, Phoebus.
Eternum.
I finish the course.
A word to the wise:
the more one has,
the more they want.
After the clouds, comes the sunlight.
Forever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiFTXckh0zU
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
6:53 pm
“Jay’s a very far-left guy”
Got proof?
josef
March 2nd, 2013
6:53 pm
K’YAKKER
Yeah, but the pay’s good even if the hours stink…
Wa-do Warrior
Jay’s “far left?” I guess that view from the cave closet does have its effect on perception…
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
6:55 pm
This forum is fantastic; that is why even the most hardcore Republicans can’t stay away once they find it.
Now it seems to me, some fine things
Have been laid upon your table
But you only want the ones that you can’t get
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE-U5e78WHc
josef
March 2nd, 2013
6:57 pm
DOGGONE
Has he “got proof?” Sure, he does, a whole bottle of the 100 proof stuff…
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
6:57 pm
(Just try)
Take a little time out of your busy day
To give encouragement
To someone who’s lost the way
(Just try)
Or would I be talking to a stone
If I asked you
To share a problem that’s not your own
We can change things if we start giving
Why don’t you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-7qCG2_aaA
josef
March 2nd, 2013
6:58 pm
ZamVet
“This forum is fantastic..”
Indeed, it is. In the truest sense of the word.
bman.
March 2nd, 2013
6:58 pm
“Jay’s a very far-left guy”….He’s left. The very far left are the DannyXXX and Welcome to the Occupation types.
kayaker 71
March 2nd, 2013
6:58 pm
getalife, 6:51.
I don’t have one and really don’t want one. However, I do enjoy holding liberal feet to the fire, including Bookman. Would this blog be more to your liking if it were just limited to incessant liberal rhetoric? Would it be better received if there were no conservative posters? It would then become more of a liberal love fest than it already is. You could all gather round in a circle and sing Kumbaya every day and stroke yourselves.
Welcome to the Occupation
March 2nd, 2013
6:58 pm
Recon: “Jay’s a very far-left guy …”
Oh really?
Oh REALLY?
Yeah, uh, you don’t know what you’re talking about obviously.
Recon 0311 2533
March 2nd, 2013
6:59 pm
Got proof?
Well Jay’s either a fraud and a liar or his commentaries support the left because he is what he is. I think it’s because he is what he is and no problem there. I and few others with differing views are what we are.
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
6:59 pm
“Has he “got proof?” Sure, he does, a whole bottle of the 100 proof stuff… – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=5#comment-1249135”
I wouldn’t be a bit surprised!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
7:00 pm
However, I do enjoy holding liberal feet to the fire, including Bookman.
You would actually have to discover fire first.
Maybe when you climb out of the trees….
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
7:01 pm
“March 2 (Reuters) – Las Vegas Sands Corp said it “likely” violated the federal Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, which outlaws the bribery of foreign officials, according to a Securities and Exchange Commission filing on Friday.
The filing marks the first disclosure by the casino operator, controlled by founder and billionaire Republican donor Sheldon Adelson, that is was under investigation.”
This is the new normal.
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
7:01 pm
“Well Jay’s either a fraud and a liar or his commentaries support the left because he is what he is – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=5#comment-1249145”
We accept your admission that you have NO proof that Jay is “far left” as you asserted
Towncrier
March 2nd, 2013
7:02 pm
“Then take it up with your God. As long as there are natural abortions it can’t be all THAT “wrong” to your God.”
Natural abortions? Miscarriages are almost always caused by there being something physiologically wrong with either the fetus or the mother. And most happen before the mother even knows she is pregnant.
God allows people to be born blind. Does that mean it’s okay to go around putting people’s eyes out?
“As he [Jesus] went along, he saw a man blind from birth. His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” “Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed through him.” – John 9:1-3
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
7:02 pm
Everyday it’s getting closer
Going faster than a roller coaster
A love like yours would surely come my way
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdA4RrYX4Jk
Recon 0311 2533
March 2nd, 2013
7:02 pm
Yeah, uh, you don’t know what you’re talking about obviously
Then obviously your head is up where the sun doesn’t shine because you can’t see the obvious.
josef
March 2nd, 2013
7:02 pm
” I do enjoy holding liberal feet to the fire,”
Fine by me. It’s frikken cold out there…
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
7:03 pm
“I do enjoy holding liberal feet to the fire”
You do? Well let us know when you start…haven’t seen anything like that yet, from you.
DannyX
March 2nd, 2013
7:04 pm
“This forum is fantastic..”
It really is. If agree or disagree with Jay you have a chance to express your own opinion.
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
7:05 pm
“Natural abortions? Miscarriages are almost always caused by there being something physiologically wrong with either the fetus or the mother – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=5#comment-1249153”
Got proof?
Upchuck
March 2nd, 2013
7:05 pm
“Sock-puppet drudgey spammers say, “What?””
That is quite a mouthful and reminds me that…[Lifts toilet seat] HUUUURGGEHH…
Towncrier
March 2nd, 2013
7:06 pm
“Got proof?”
Got any research skills?
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
7:06 pm
in this example if we can go back to the beginning, was your emotional response to my compliment of Kyle
I gave no emotional response on Kyle. There is a REASON he gets very few hits and even fewer comments. It’s not because he is good. As to him being a liar? He lied to me. Several times. He lied to me in email which I won’t share with you. I know his guru, lil Davey Slagle. He also is a liar. Liars seem to like each others company, I don’t know why.
I liked your hypocritical personal attack. You condemn me for perceived attacks yet you then do your P/A snarky “grade appropriate” comment. I’m not passive aggressive, I’m a man and say whta I mean. You lack the intelligence to get “grade appropriate” with me son. It’s not my fault. Talk to those who gave you your genes. I’ve spent almost 30 years chemically destroying my mind and I STILL think way beyond you. Go figure.
Next…….
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think
March 2nd, 2013
7:06 pm
Hey y’all…
A reminder that all things stay the same…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp6dsKleGpU
But what we really need is…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWuQRKG1nwI
TaxPayer
March 2nd, 2013
7:07 pm
Wow. Cons are so lazy they cannot even put forth the effort to support their own talking points.
Recon 0311 2533
March 2nd, 2013
7:08 pm
We accept your admission that you have NO proof that Jay is “far left” as you asserte
Okay then you dislike leftist views but like Jay and refuse to accept his far-left orientation. That’s okay if you prefer to believe it as many people are blinded by their likes.
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
7:09 pm
“Got any research skills?”
Just as I thought. No proof. No surprise.
DannyX
March 2nd, 2013
7:09 pm
Hey Towncrier, when are you going to say something good about abortion. Every single day you go off on one of your biased anti abortion speeches.
Why is it you get to express your own bias? I think its time for you to practice what you preach.
TaxPayer
March 2nd, 2013
7:09 pm
God also allows still-borns.
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
7:10 pm
For Brother Normal and the other Dusty Springfield fans…
I’m not as crazy as I used to be
Some of my devils upped and left me free
To find a quiet space
I’m not as out of place
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2_Mz6o1reA
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
7:11 pm
I am a mathmetician which in no way shape or form suggests I’m to be confused as an intellectual. I’m just curious and question everything…
really? How come then you are so devoid of logic? It is the BASIS of math. As to Lil Kyle? He deserves every bit of scorn and derision I place on his lying ass. I speak from personal experience of his lying. He did it directly to me. I was going to respond back to him but it got to the point of why bother. I know who he is, who he follows and idolizes and where he came from. It was pointless. Liars and hypocrites don’t change nor will they ever. They will always find “emotional” arguments to justify their lies and hypocrisy. Their minds are closed.
As to you questioning ANYTHING (much less everything)? Why bother? Your mind is closed to the answers.
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
7:11 pm
“Wow. Cons are so lazy they cannot even put forth the effort to support their own talking points – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=5#comment-1249162”
Since there’s no defense to be found, there’s no need to expend any energy on trying.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think
March 2nd, 2013
7:11 pm
If you haven’t figured it out yet, I’ve been going through my Kingston Trio collection, making an MP3 music download. I’ll leave you all y’all with this one…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ril0NLMzQTo
Have a great night…
Prometheus
March 2nd, 2013
7:11 pm
“You would actually have to discover fire first.”
And I sacrificed my liver for μωρός like these?
Recon 0311 2533
March 2nd, 2013
7:12 pm
I like Kyle, he’s an American patriot.
Welcome to the Occupation
March 2nd, 2013
7:12 pm
Recon: “Then obviously your head is up where the sun doesn’t shine because you can’t see the obvious”
Nothing really very left about Jay Bookman at all. Quite down the line centrist.
If you want to defend the claim that someone is “far left”, that generally means citing some sort of a theory of what the “left” is, which you haven’t done.
Calling Republicans mean things day in and day out doesn’t count, I’m afraid.
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
7:13 pm
“his far-left orientation”
Got proof?
josef
March 2nd, 2013
7:13 pm
Wado-Warrior
“… refuse to accept his far-left orientation.”
Well, you ARE the expert herebouts on refusing to accept one’s orientation…
Recon 0311 2533
March 2nd, 2013
7:15 pm
Got proof?
Of course…can you prove otherwise?
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think
March 2nd, 2013
7:16 pm
Jam,
Thanks for Dusty…Back at you with The Byrds..remember this one. Read the lyrics…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FUGzwUTN80
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
7:16 pm
Aw, shoot, here I came spoiling for a name calling and labeling brawl and here comes Big Daddy…now I gotta pretend to be nice and civil…
Instigator.
td
March 2nd, 2013
7:16 pm
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
7:01 pm
“Well Jay’s either a fraud and a liar or his commentaries support the left because he is what he is – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=5#comment-1249145”
We accept your admission that you have NO proof that Jay is “far left” as you asserted
Just go back for the past 6 months and read his comments on his blog post. Sometimes you just look so intellectually shallow.
Jay
March 2nd, 2013
7:17 pm
Fred, cease the namecalling….. :>)
josef
March 2nd, 2013
7:18 pm
PROMETHEUS
@ 7:11
The born again ones?
Welcome to the Occupation
March 2nd, 2013
7:19 pm
These days there are plenty of people who are ex-Republicans or semi-Republicans like David Frum who are saying mean things about the GOP, just like Jay Bookman. But that hardly makes them “far left”, Recon.
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
7:19 pm
“Of course…can you prove otherwise?”
Just as I thought. No proof. No surprise.
Always wanting someone else to do your work for you. Well, sorry Buster…that doesn’t work on me, I’m not that dumb.
Bill Wilson
March 2nd, 2013
7:19 pm
“Liars and hypocrites don’t change nor will they ever. They will always find “emotional” arguments to justify their lies and hypocrisy. Their minds are closed.”
Thanks for that bit of personal sharing. You may proceed to the fourth step.
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
7:19 pm
Holy poop on a stick. That Osso Buco took more time to get going than (then? help josef or OREP)) I expected. I got it done a few minutes ago and NOW it has to go for four hours……. well four hours from when I tossed it in the oven. I tasted the broth before I tssed it in the oven and it was great. I still need to add the Israeli cous cous when it comes out but just damn. It was tasty.
For any who haven’t seen me spam this recipe lol here it is again. So far it is phenomenal.
http://savoringtoday.com/2011/03/07/osso-buco-style-beef-short-ribs/
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
7:21 pm
“Just go back for the past 6 months and read his comments on his blog post – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=5#comment-1249181”
No need, I’ve read them all.
Recon 0311 2533
March 2nd, 2013
7:21 pm
Well, you ARE the expert herebouts on refusing to accept one’s orientation
josef, I presume that’s directed to me. It’s not that I don’t accept someones orientation, it’s just that I don’t accept the practical application of said orientation. I can accept an alcoholic or the hard drug addicted, I just don’t accept their destructive behavior.
josef
March 2nd, 2013
7:21 pm
FRED
Well, you weren’t doing your job…and, yeah, what Big Daddy said…don’t forget I AM his Little Prince..
BTW
Enjoying the tunes breaks…some good stuff…
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
7:22 pm
Thanks, buddy. I LOVED that band. And Dylan’s lyrics.
I mentioned the other night that McGuinn was the reason that the second guitar I ever bought was a 12-string.
To say they had a huge impact on modern music would be a huge understatement…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWQEUzOACm4
td
March 2nd, 2013
7:22 pm
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
7:11 pm
“really? How come then you are so devoid of logic? It is the BASIS of math. As to Lil Kyle? He deserves every bit of scorn and derision I place on his lying ass.”
If I remember right you are permanently banned from is blog because you do not play well with others and have no respect for others opinions.
I totally disagree with most everything Jay says but I do not act like a total a$$ to him in his own home.
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
7:23 pm
Wow Jya, really? Ask him yourself next time you have coffee. Report back to me. I saved his emails. We can compare data and see if I am calling names or correctly identifying someone who is fictionally proned. (Can I say TAHT instead of the correct term Liar?)
He IS after all a public figure. If folks can call Obama a liar why can’t I correctly identify lil Kyle as such? I’m confused here………
Or are you referring to me joking with josef? If it’s that then just damn………
Jay
March 2nd, 2013
7:24 pm
I meant “instigator”, Fred.
It was a joke, son.
josef
March 2nd, 2013
7:24 pm
Wa-do Warrior
Aw, now why would you assume that was directed toward you?
Recon 0311 2533
March 2nd, 2013
7:24 pm
I’m not that dumb.
I don’t think you’re dumb either, so it’s unbecoming that you choose to act that way.
Jack ®
March 2nd, 2013
7:25 pm
Give Fred a tum. And give one to Bookman also.
td
March 2nd, 2013
7:25 pm
Fred ™,
You are barely hanging on a blog where most of the participants agree with you. Attitude and respect my friend means a great deal.
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
7:25 pm
josef: Here is a “tune break’ for you. I discovered this band a few months ago. I think they need a “hoppin’” tune in their repertoire but other than that I think I like them. The video I’m linking is best is you WATCH it lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW63lS9_MW4
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
7:26 pm
BTW, you’re welcome for that Rundgren I played earlier and thanks for the thanks. I really do try to not play him all the time, but damn! So much of his music is so sweet, so smart and so righteous…
What are riches untold in a life without compassion?
For there’s no winter as cold
As a life without compassion.
There’s no prescription that’s sold
That can heal you like compassion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rtvl8aVxgc
josef
March 2nd, 2013
7:26 pm
IMAM
So what’s with the name calling? I thought he was just giving me a compliment!
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
7:27 pm
“I don’t think you’re dumb either, so it’s unbecoming that you choose to act that way. – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=5#comment-1249184”
Act? Act what? Because I’m smart enough to not do you work for you…I’m “acting dumb”? Have you actually looked in the mirror lately? There’s where you’ll find “dumb” – can’t even defend your own statements. THAT is dumb.
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
7:27 pm
You are barely hanging on a blog where most of the participants agree with you. Attitude and respect my friend means a great deal.
How would you know? No one here has ANY respect for you and your attitude sucks.
Recon 0311 2533
March 2nd, 2013
7:28 pm
Aw, now why would you assume that was directed toward you?
Because you quote my posts. It’s not a problem for me but you seem obsessed.
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
7:28 pm
Freddy, baby, it was kinda obvious that Jay was just razzin’ ya. (Not like I have ever misread harmless posts!)
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
7:28 pm
LOL Jay. Sorry. I gave an “emotional response”
barking frog
March 2nd, 2013
7:29 pm
Exactly what beliefs or actions constitute far-left nowadays ?
Towncrier
March 2nd, 2013
7:29 pm
“Hey Towncrier, when are you going to say something good about abortion.”
Well, let’s see…um…hmm…it may have helped lower our fertility rates (with about 60 million performed since Roe v. Wade):
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323375204578270053387770718.html
Jonathan Last doesn’t think that is a good thing at all, but you may.
“Every single day you go off on one of your biased anti abortion speeches.”
Every single day, huh? I guess math isn’t your forte. Too bad English doesn’t appear to be, either.
Recon 0311 2533
March 2nd, 2013
7:30 pm
I’m “acting dumb”? Have you actually looked in the mirror lately?
Every morning when I shave. Calm down, your excitement is showing.
Norman Vincent Peale
March 2nd, 2013
7:31 pm
“So what’s with the name calling? I thought he was just giving me a compliment!”
I like your attitude!
josef
March 2nd, 2013
7:31 pm
FRED
I really liked that video…thanks….
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
7:31 pm
Jam, I went to catch up but I saw that before anything else. I stand chagrined. I am wearing on my head my ass which would currently make me an…….. well I can’t type that here……… but I have a Presidential presentation:
http://tinyurl.com/ajwvg4n
Prometheus
March 2nd, 2013
7:33 pm
“The born again ones?”
No…they are averse to fire and much prefer water.
td
March 2nd, 2013
7:36 pm
A little Rush for those that missed it earlier.
http://dailyrushbo.com/rush-let-the-skyfall-sequester-parody-song/
josef
March 2nd, 2013
7:36 pm
FRED
Well, sure you can…you just have to choose your language carefully…
ᎠᎵᏍᏇᏚᏬ ᏫᏍᎽᏫᎢ ᎤᎧ
IMAM
Oh, goody, President Obama has said it’s okay…will you take it off the verboten list now? I mean, after all, according to some hereabouts, you think he does no wrong…
Towncrier
March 2nd, 2013
7:37 pm
“Just as I thought. No proof. No surprise.”
So maybe THIS is to whom Jay was referring as “lazy bloggers”.
josef
March 2nd, 2013
7:37 pm
PROMETHEUS
barking frog
March 2nd, 2013
7:38 pm
Ass seems to be acceptable throughout the media, Hat,
not so much..
josef
March 2nd, 2013
7:38 pm
FRED
Now if we can just get the President to call somebody a delusional lickspittal.
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
7:39 pm
“Every morning when I shave. Calm down, your excitement is showing – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=5#comment-1249198”
You need to get a refund on that mind-reading class you took. They’ve done a bad job of teaching you.
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
7:39 pm
Man was I had. You got me Jay. If I EVER meet you, beware the whoopie cushion……..
Reminds me of the time I golfed against Tiger Woods……………
So me and Tiger go golfing. I bet him 100 buck straight up on the game. Straight score no handicap or anything like that. I told him I get 2 gotcha’s though. He said Ok.
So as he’s teeing up at the first hole, dead into his backstroke, just as he pauses I come up behind him with my putter, stick it between his legs and tap him on his jewels and scream GOTCHA!!!!!!!!!!!
Of course I won. Have YOU ever played a round of golf waiting for the second gotcha?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
7:40 pm
DELUSIONAL LICKSPITTLE!
Just thought I’d throw that out there.
Seeing that we’re going off the rails and all….
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
7:40 pm
More awesome JT…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tydSHv9ak8E
Recon 0311 2533
March 2nd, 2013
7:41 pm
You need to get a refund on that mind-reading class you took. They’ve done a bad job of teaching you.
Me thinks the lady doth protest too much.
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
7:41 pm
“So maybe THIS is to whom Jay was referring as “lazy bloggers”. – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=5#comment-1249218”
Yep, the lazy ones like you…who expect others to prove their points for them.
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
7:42 pm
Ass-hat, reminds me of that delightful phrase used in the move Office Space…
http://www.hark.com/clips/zstsmzqznb-no-talent-ass-clown
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
7:42 pm
LOl td, you almost got me again. I was THIS close to clicking. Oh, and BTW I was kidding in my 7:27. Imeant to add the green man.
I hate when I do that. I’m caustic enough without doing it inadvertently.
barking frog
March 2nd, 2013
7:42 pm
Still not accurate, it was ‘delusional lickspittle wannabe’ a much
more derogatory term than delusional lickspittle…..
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
7:44 pm
“Me thinks the lady doth protest too much”
Nope. You were completely wrong about my “excitement” – though I guess it’s possible to describe hilarious amusement as “excitement” if you’re inclined that way.
josef
March 2nd, 2013
7:46 pm
FROG
@ 7:42
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
7:46 pm
Jam, that is too funny. i’ve been using ass clown now every time I want to say ass…….. well you know. You might get away with the hyphen thing but I’m not pushing my luck.
MY favorite JT, (hope you didn’t play it and I missed it). Stupid me actually thought I WOULD see her again.
Oh and I picked this version after seeing your last JT just to remind folks that he DID once have hair lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOIo4lEpsPY
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
7:48 pm
Not gonna get distracted away from my mission to change the blogging world with music (LOL!), but I have zero patience with people who make claims and then always produce nada, nothing, zero, zilch to bolster them. Even when they are asked.
A complete credibility buster for this kid…
If there’s doubt and you’re cold,
don’t you worry what the future holds.
We’ve gotta have heroes to teach us all
to never give up on a dream.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZSU6nWOgeY
Welcome to the Occupation
March 2nd, 2013
7:48 pm
Oh, and on that earlier discussion:
“Anyone who lives within his means suffers from a lack of imagination” – Oscar Wilde
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
7:50 pm
Still not accurate, it was ‘delusional lickspittle wannabe’ a much
more derogatory term than delusional lickspittle…..
Y’all ain’t NEVER gonna forget that one are you? I still never figured out why I was banned for that one…………….
josef: I fund thta song when my daughter wanted me to right her a play for her and her friends to perform for her birthday party last year. She said the title was to be “Being Me.” I typed that into Youtube to see what came up. That nice song did. Help that band out. Share it with everyone you know. Check out their youtube home page.
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
7:51 pm
“but I have zero patience with people who make claims and then always produce nada, nothing, zero, zilch to bolster them. Even when they are asked – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=5#comment-1249227”
But it is, at least, funny!
Recon 0311 2533
March 2nd, 2013
7:51 pm
if you’re inclined that way.
And so if you’re both excited and amused by you’re excitement, enjoy if it helps you get through the evening.
josef
March 2nd, 2013
7:51 pm
Temme sumpin…
What does it mean when you go in and find the bed made up with freshly laundered linens and the floor’s been vacuumed? I keep fergettin…
Towncrier
March 2nd, 2013
7:51 pm
“Yes, abortion is “sickingly wrong”, but so is trying to take away the right of a woman to own her own body…having said that, the lessening of abortions would be quite easy if contraception was more readily available. Get religion out of it and accept the fact that the human being is a sexually social animal. The Maker made us that way. It’s plain stupid to try to prevent what is a natural biological function. If you want to stop abortion, scream your loudest to your Congress Person to pass a good birth control bill paid for by medical insurance….simple as that.”
I don’t begrudge a woman wanting to have an abortion when she did not choose to engage in sexual activity leading to a pregnancy (such as with rape and molestation). But I do mind her wanting to essentially take a life because a pregnancy is inconvenient or unwanted after FIRST CHOOSING to engage in intercourse. That to me is like a drunken person wanted to “abort” a car accident he caused and which resulted in fatalities. One may safely and reliably avoid pregnancy by various inexpensive methods (condoms, fertility awareness, withdrawal during fertile days and so on) if one wanted to. You seem to prefer the convenience of abortions above the inconvenience of using such contraceptives (infanticide over a little hassle) and condemn me for claiming that is sick and immoral. What has this world come to we people reason like that?
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
7:53 pm
The Divine Miss M…
I say love, it is a flower,
and you it’s only seed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR6okRuOLc8
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
7:53 pm
Damn Jamvet, not only do you post some awesome tunes, but the “suggested” tunes to the right of them are awesome as well. Here is one such:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7fuQ116QSg
td
March 2nd, 2013
7:53 pm
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
7:42 pm
Just for you since you are such a Rush fan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnxkfLe4G74
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
7:54 pm
“enjoy if it ”
You can trust me on this: I DO enjoy it. And I especially enjoy it when the victim can’t even see that they’ve put their own foot in the trap.
josef
March 2nd, 2013
7:54 pm
FRED
Let you forget it? How could we possibly ev-uh do that? That’s one of the best ones to come up here yet and that it put a wad in Big Daddy’s jockeys? THAT was even bettuh!
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
7:56 pm
“But I do mind her wanting to essentially take a life because a pregnancy is inconvenient or unwanted after FIRST CHOOSING to engage in intercourse. – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=6#comment-1249240”
Guess what? It’s NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. When YOU get pregnent YOU get to make the choices available to you. You don’t get to make them for anyone else.
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
7:56 pm
Saw the ghost of Elvis
On Union Avenue
Followed him up to the gates of Graceland
Then I watched him walk right through
Now security they did not see him
They just hovered ’round his tomb
But there’s a pretty little thing
Waiting for the King
Down in the Jungle Room
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFEB9xLeLmY
Recon 0311 2533
March 2nd, 2013
7:57 pm
You can trust me on this: I DO enjoy it. And I especially enjoy it when the victim can’t even see that they’ve put their own foot in the trap.
Oh my, Femme Fatale.
Welcome to the Occupation
March 2nd, 2013
7:57 pm
“That to me is like a drunken person wanted to “abort” a car accident ..”
Wait, if a pregnancy is like an accident, then why shouldn’t it be able to be aborted?
td
March 2nd, 2013
7:59 pm
Something to make us forget the weather today in Georgia.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwIGZLjugKA
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
7:59 pm
“Oh my, Femme Fatale.”
Gettin’ kind of deep into that bottle, are you?
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think
March 2nd, 2013
8:00 pm
Back for a mo…
For all you anarchists out here…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C03hCHiEWGM
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
8:00 pm
td at 7:53, there we go!
Music has charms to soothe the savage breast.
A time to gain, a time to lose
A time to rend, a time to sew
A time for love, a time for hate
A time for peace, I swear it’s not too late
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6jxxagVEO4
josef
March 2nd, 2013
8:01 pm
ZamVet
Ah! The queen of the JAP-MOTS
Was there, saw it. don’t remember where I left the t-shirt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Obffoc9UEE
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
8:01 pm
Dammit josef: I am racking my tiny little mind but I can’t remember the punch line for that one.
td:Thanks. One of my favorites. Here is one only a true Rush head likes lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAvQSkK8Z8U
Recon 0311 2533
March 2nd, 2013
8:02 pm
Gettin’ kind of deep into that bottle, are you?
Nope not yet but if it were a bit warmer outside I could smoke my weekend cigar and probably get there.
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
8:02 pm
JamVet…you do know that’s a reworking of a quote from the Bible, don’t you?
Towncrier
March 2nd, 2013
8:02 pm
“Yep, the lazy ones like you…who expect others to prove their points for them.”
I wasn’t aware that one needed to prove what should be common knowledge and so I resist doltish requests for information in these cases – especially when couched in a two word grunt: (Duhhh) Got proof?
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
8:04 pm
Jamvet: Walking in Memphis. Nice. Does music get any better than that tune?
Corbin: I got your Outlaws, (turn it up)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R82OM5tzcrk
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
March 2nd, 2013
8:05 pm
Well, it’s two for 1 night up here at Billy Bob’s. Well, not really. It’s against GA law to have specials on drinks. So what happens is, I go to the bar and order a PBR. Then the bartender gives me a PBR and when I turn my back there’s another PBR at the end of the bar. So I mosey over and pick it up when the bartender ain’t looking. We’re law-abiding folks up here.
I see I got on here just in time to watch Fred to do hisself in. Oh, he’ll be real careful after Bookman’s warning. But sooner or later somebody will set him off and out he’ll go. It’s kinda fun to watch.
Have a great Saturday night everybody and don’t forget to get up and go to church tomorrow morning, even if you’re still hung over.
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
8:05 pm
“I wasn’t aware that one needed to prove what should be common knowledge – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=6#comment-1249253”
Well, now you know different. You make the claim, be prepared to prove if you’re challenged…because what “should be commone knowledge” isn’t neccessarily the TRUTH.
After all, it was once “common knowledge” that the earth was flat and the sun revolved around the earth.
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
8:08 pm
Corbin, smokin’ Outlaws. That band flat out killed it…
Yep Doggone, even back in the 1960s I knew it came from Ecclesiastes…
http://www.bartleby.com/108/21/3.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8×7e6ZctLaI
Towncrier
March 2nd, 2013
8:09 pm
“Wait, if a pregnancy is like an accident, then why shouldn’t it be able to be aborted?”
Can you abort a car accident, Sherlock? How about a jump from a plane after you’ve made it? But perhaps that is just how women feel about the unborn children whose life they terminate – mere accidents.
josef
March 2nd, 2013
8:10 pm
ZamVet
A lot of folks don’t know it, but he was a MOT…and a Tsa-la-gi one at that!
bman.
March 2nd, 2013
8:12 pm
This music could make cheeseburgers and cigarettes popular again…I love piano
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dZY1C9RyiQ
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
8:12 pm
“Can you abort a car accident, Sherlock”
I did once. Got distracted by something to my right and looked back up just in time to see I was about to hit a school bus. Turned a hard right turn into the ditch and missed the bus by inches. Accident aborted.
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
8:12 pm
I see I got on here just in time to watch Fred to do hisself in. Oh, he’ll be real careful after Bookman’s warning. But sooner or later somebody will set him off and out he’ll go. It’s kinda fun to watch.
I know right? i KNOW I shouldn’t bite but it’s just SO tasty, one little nibble won’t hurt……. then another, then a bite, then hot damn before ya know I done et the whole thing……….
Towncrier
March 2nd, 2013
8:12 pm
“Well, now you know different. You make the claim, be prepared to prove if you’re challenged…because what “should be commone knowledge” isn’t neccessarily the TRUTH.”
Sorry…but if you are too dumb to do a little research then stop whining like a bad mannered child. If you really thought I was mistaken and had half a brain, you’d make the effort to disprove me. I am not going to spoon feed dolts like you.
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
8:13 pm
“Sorry…but if you are too dumb to do a little research then stop whining like a bad mannered child – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=6#comment-1249262”
Nope. I’m not dumb enough – as I’ve already said – to fall for the “you do my work for me” bit. If you can’t be bothered to prove your assertions…we’ll all know…as we do…that you CAN’T prove them.
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
8:15 pm
(turn it up)
That’s like saying take your wallet and keys out of your pockets before you jump in the lake!
Hell yeah, you turn it up!!!
And the lyrics are just as fine as the incredible musicianship!
In a place you only dream of, where your soul is always free
Silver stages, golden curtains, filled my head plain as could be
As a rainbow grew around the sun, all my stars above,
who died Came from somewhere beyond the scene you see
These lovely people played just for me
Now if I let you see this place where stories all ring true
Will you let me past your face to see what’s really you
It’s not for me I ask this question as though I were a king
For you have to love, believe and feel
Before the burst of tambourines take you there
Green grass and high tides forever
Castles of stone, soul and glory
Lost faces say we adore you
As kings and queens bow and play for you
Those who don’t believe me, find your souls and set them free
Those who do, believe and know that time will be your key
Time and time again I’ve thanked them for a peace of mind
That helped me find myself amongst the music and the rhyme
That enchants you there
Green grass and high tides forever
Castles of stone, soul and glory
Lost faces say we adore you
As kings and queens bow and play for you
Yeah they play just for you
Recon 0311 2533
March 2nd, 2013
8:16 pm
Good night y’all…time for the Red box Saturday night movie. Be nice now.
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
8:18 pm
“Yep Doggone, even back in the 1960s I knew it came from Ecclesiastes – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=6#comment-1249265”
I just wondered, because I knew some people back then who didn’t know it!
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
8:21 pm
Doggone, I dug reading the Bible and have read many parts of it more than once. I had a great college class called The Bible as Literature.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEvy8mROAj0
TaxPayer
March 2nd, 2013
8:21 pm
I see Towncrier is having another of his meltdowns. Poor kid.
Welcome to the Occupation
March 2nd, 2013
8:22 pm
Towncrier: “Can you abort a car accident, Sherlock? ”
No, usually not. (That very failure usually constituting the “accident’ itself.)
But a pregnancy? You can abort that.
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
8:22 pm
Did you ever get into this one Jam?
Hush now don’t you cry
Wipe away the teardrop from your eye
You’re lying safe in bed
It was all a bad dream
Spinning in your head
Your mind tricked you to feel the pain
Of someone close to you leaving the game
Of life
So here it is, another chance
Wide awake, you face the day
Your dream is over…
Or has it just begun?
There’s a place I like to hide
A doorway that I run through in the night
Relax child, you were there
But only didn’t realize
And you were scared
It’s a place where you will learn
To face your fears, retrace the years
And ride the whims of your mind
Commanding in another world
Suddenly, you’ll hear and see
This magic new dimension
I
Will be watching over you
I am gonna help you see it through
I
Will protect you in the night
I am smiling next to you
In silent lucidity…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LniY0pDQGaE
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
8:24 pm
“Doggone, I dug reading the Bible and have read many parts of it more than once – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=6#comment-1249268”
I could never get anything out of it until I discovered the New International version. The King James version has too much blank verse in it and I have NO “ear” for blank verse.
Towncrier
March 2nd, 2013
8:26 pm
“Guess what? It’s NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. When YOU get pregnent YOU get to make the choices available to you. You don’t get to make them for anyone else.”
Sorry, but the killing of other human beings IS MY BUSINESS as a member of society. And if I can help it, I will help decide if YOU have the legal right to take another life. It was legal to whip, brand and even kill black human beings in this country at one time. So apparently you think just because you can legally abort a baby it is right. So don’t give me that idiotic schtick about “it’s my body so I can do whatever I want with it” Can you intentionally lay on an infant and legally suffocate it with your body? Can you legally ingest heroin into your body? Can you legally ingest a 20 ounce soda in NYC?
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
March 2nd, 2013
8:27 pm
Well, long as people are playing music I reckon I can give you one by a band I don’t understand but my nephew—my sister’s boy—is the lead singer in it. I mean, who can understand a band named Lo Pan. They’re all over the place—New York, California, and everywhere in between.
http://www.myspace.com/lopandemic/music/songs/dragline-78126666
Towncrier
March 2nd, 2013
8:29 pm
“If you can’t be bothered to prove your assertions…we’ll all know…as we do…that you CAN’T prove them.”
Got proof?
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
8:30 pm
crier wants them to starve to death on the streets.
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
8:33 pm
Remember the hair bands? They ALL had one really ass kickin’ song, but after that? meh, not much. Tesla did a good cover of Five Man Electric band but this one was their best. Yeah IO know they had another that charted higher, but this is the one that showed talent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nLWsfehW-Y
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
8:33 pm
“Sorry, but the killing of other human beings IS MY BUSINESS as a member of society – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=6#comment-1249273”
Quite right, as it is for all of us. But abortion is not the killing of another human being…so it’s none of your business. If you don’t like it that women are given control over what happens to their own bodies…take it up with your God. Or Mother Nature, which ever you prefer. It’s not the law that gives women that control, it’s how we are made. Too bad, so sad for you. When YOU get pregnent then YOU can make the decision that best suits YOU.
TaxPayer
March 2nd, 2013
8:34 pm
God created the abortion so Towncrier thinks he knows better than God.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
8:35 pm
Oh dear, cry baby’s in melt-down mode.
Whatever will he/she do under the new format when there’s no sock–puppet to hide behind?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhcflDSUMvc
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
8:35 pm
“Got proof?”
Yep, since you provided no proof you were correct…you’ve proven that you can’t.
Towncrier
March 2nd, 2013
8:36 pm
“But abortion is not the killing of another human being…so it’s none of your business.”
Got proof?
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
8:36 pm
But of course with this crowd of right wingers an old school tune is best…..
Really don’t mind if you sit this one out.
My words but a whisper — your deafness a SHOUT.
I may make you feel but I can’t make you think……..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV-ASc0qkrM
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
8:36 pm
Fred
The ultimate hair band
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gcj34XixuYg
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
8:38 pm
“Got proof?”
Yep. Abortion is legal. Killing another human being is not.
Towncrier
March 2nd, 2013
8:39 pm
“Yep, since you provided no proof you were correct…you’ve proven that you can’t.”
It proves no such thing. And you supposing it does shows you do not reason very well – as evidenced in your other posts.
Doggone/GA
March 2nd, 2013
8:41 pm
“It proves no such thing”
Then all you have to do is provide the proof you were asked for…and that will prove me wrong. Go ahead, where’s your proof?
St Simons - he-ne-ha
March 2nd, 2013
8:41 pm
“This is pretty damn scummy”
Rush & Beck took a $million apiece from DICK armey
to puff Freedumwerks and the Teapotty.
So we’ve clearly defined what they are, good.
Welcome to the Occupation
March 2nd, 2013
8:45 pm
Towncrier: “Sorry, but the killing of other human beings IS MY BUSINESS as a member of society ”
You’re right about that. About the principle, that is.
Where you’re wrong is in attributing full human status to an embryo.
josef
March 2nd, 2013
8:45 pm
He-ne-ha
I’m still waiting on my five bucks, Pete…and where are my car keys…
So, how’s de weh-thu on de Island… ?
Towncrier
March 2nd, 2013
8:47 pm
“Yep. Abortion is legal. Killing another human being is not.”
FAIL. Just as an example, it was legal in Rome for some time as the father to kill anyone in your household, including slaves. So, just because abortion is currently permitted by law, does not mean that it is not the taking of life. Logic 101.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pater_familias
Like I said, you don’t reason very well.
td
March 2nd, 2013
8:53 pm
Did someone mention hairbands of the 80’s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gin-l4LDdXQ
josef
March 2nd, 2013
8:55 pm
Just ran a check…even if Obama does say it’s okay, al Shariff Imam Torquemada the Unrighteous still says it’s not. So, y’all are wrong. He’s not a blind follower…
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
8:55 pm
Yes, Fred, great song from a band I’m not very familiar with…
Hitler was able to do it, but abortion is never, ever, ever, ever gonna be illegal in this country again.
It is in the following: Afghanistan, Egypt, Iran, Lebanon, Libya, Oman, Sudan, Syria, United Arab Emirates, Yemen, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Laos and Myanmar
Back to the tunes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj6xkMl0yyg
DoggoneGA
March 2nd, 2013
8:58 pm
“it was legal in Rome for some time as the father to kill anyone in your household, – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=6#sthash.CHAVnDfi.dpuf”
This isn’t Rome
josef
March 2nd, 2013
8:58 pm
“…is legal. Killing another human being is not”
Oh? What about the military and capital punishment. Legal or not, the target is just as dead….either that or they weren’t human beings to begin with…
St Simons - he-ne-ha
March 2nd, 2013
8:59 pm
josef, dam its cold, i can’t take any more of this 45 degrees crap.
i’m gonna get to “eve” this weekend, great spirit willing.
annnd (drum roll) if i don’t change my mind by Monday, I’m gonna
quit being an accountant. Change is in the air.
kayaker 71
March 2nd, 2013
8:59 pm
92% of the abortions in this country, that is a little over 116M/yr, are performed due to “societal reasons”, ie birth control. Someone didn’t wear a condom, an IUD, take the appropriate measures to prevent the killing of another human being. Is is too much to ask of those involved to take some precautions? Most of these precautions are free….. don’t cost a dime. Most everyone knows the risks of unprotected sex. If abortions were not so freely available, you would see a dramatic drop in the killing of the unborn. I have no issue with women being the final arbiter in determining whether or not to keep the fetus. I do have issue with the attitude that many have about pregnancy and the consequences of making bad decisions. Having sex has it’s consequences. If you are not able to face these consequences, you should abstain.
DoggoneGA
March 2nd, 2013
9:00 pm
“What about the military and capital punishment”
What about it? I don’t see the relevence to what you quoted.
td
March 2nd, 2013
9:00 pm
Forgot about this video from Whitesnake.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loM99T_XEyk
bman.
March 2nd, 2013
9:04 pm
“92% of the abortions in this country, that is a little over 116M/yr”
116 Million?? Are you sure about that number?
moonbat betty
March 2nd, 2013
9:06 pm
Jam/Fred,
Queensryche was very under rated – I don’t think they stayed together very long.
This one still holds true today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSTct2FFamw
TaxPayer
March 2nd, 2013
9:07 pm
Actually you can not only abstain in order to avert an unwanted pregnancy, you can use a condom or an IUD or a spermicide or birth control pills or the day after pill or wait and see if God wants to abort the little bugger for you or you could even expose yourself to any number of environmental influences…
Peace
March 2nd, 2013
9:09 pm
Good grief. Jay opened a subject for discussion that he’s not prepared to defend!
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
9:10 pm
Jay @ 6:29
All these lazy bloggers with all these supposedly great ideas for blog posts, but they want somebody else to write the pieces for them rather than do it themselves.
Followed by…
kayaker @ 6:31
Most of us on the right would accept some of your blatant bias if, just once in a awhile, you would deviate a bit from the standard fare and present a thread where you took a middle of the ground type of stand and let the bloggers decide for themselves what was correct and what was not.
Moochers by any other name are still moochers. I can’t understand how people can come here, rail about people not doing things for themselves, and ask Jay to write what THEY want. Last time I checked, Jay is/was an opinion writer. The opinion writer loses his credibility when he writes the opinions of others and not his own. People fail to realize that an opinion can be valid, even under false pretenses as that opinion belongs to the person expressing it. It doesn’t have to be factual or correct for the person’s opinion to be valid.
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
9:10 pm
If abortions were not so freely available, you would see a dramatic drop in the killing of the unborn.
Really?
LONDON – Abortion rates are higher in countries where the procedure is illegal and nearly half of all abortions worldwide are unsafe, with the vast majority in developing countries, a new study concludes.
Experts couldn’t say whether more liberal laws led to fewer procedures, but said good access to birth control in those countries resulted in fewer unwanted pregnancies.
The global abortion rate remained virtually unchanged from 2003 to 2008, at about 28 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15 to 44, a total of about 43.8 million abortions, according to the study. The rate had previously been dropping since 1995.
About 47,000 women died from unsafe abortions in 2008, and another 8.5 million women had serious medical complications. Almost all unsafe abortions were in developing countries, where family planning and contraceptive programs have mostly leveled off.
Abortion rates were lowest in Western Europe — 12 per 1,000 — and highest in Eastern Europe — 43 per 1,000. The rate in North America was 19 per 1,000. Sedgh said she and colleagues found a link between higher abortion rates and regions with more restrictive legislation, such as in Latin America and Africa. They also found that 95 to 97 percent of abortions in those regions were unsafe.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/story/health/story/2012-01-18/Higher-abortion-rates-where-its-illegal/52641546/1
Nope, no more coathangers and back alley abortions in America ever again…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv-knusIj0w
St Simons - he-ne-ha
March 2nd, 2013
9:10 pm
abortion? really? really? who thread-jacked that?
This thread is about your failed ideology, cons. It is SO failed,
you have to pay people to eat it, like at the Chum Bucket.
make our day, cons. hell, make our century.
Overturn Roe v Wade. Cmon, you won’t do it. You’re chicken bockbock.
Towncrier
March 2nd, 2013
9:10 pm
“Where you’re wrong is in attributing full human status to an embryo.”
Well, I am not God so I am loathe to arrogantly say where life begins (if not at conception). Hence, I think it best to assume it begins at conception. If I did not believe in God, we would not be having this discussion. I would be fine with any and all abortions, with infanticide, euthanasia and other legalized ways of ending life (even Death Race 2000s and gladiator games). I mean, in the end, what does it really matter? An asteroid may hit our planet in the next decade and destroy most life. Or global warming (if it is man-made) might. Or a nuclear WWIII. We all become senseless matter in a godless universe.
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
9:11 pm
Jam: I never cared that much for Neil Youngs voice. But despite that two of my favorite songsof all time are his and I like him singing them. They just fit his style so well (well duh, right?). Here is the first one. I think given my cynicism that the lyrics:
“Doesn’t mean that much to me
To mean that much to you.
I’ve been first and last
Look at how the time goes past.
But I’m all alone at last”
struck a chord in me at an early age. I’ve always had a dark side a mile wide:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=221mohEolWc
josef
March 2nd, 2013
9:11 pm
DOGGONE
As I’ve said repeatedly here, I have no friends on either “side” in the abortion “debate.” The comment was that killing is illegal. And it manifestedly is not as the military and capital punishment attest. Just being EOI.
He-ne-ha
Will be interested in the take on Eve…and, change is in the air? Taking the beads and hitting the high road, eh? Can I interest you in a deal on blankets?
Just got an e-mail from down home kvetching about the temps in the 40s.
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
9:13 pm
Sorry, but the killing of other human beings IS MY BUSINESS as a member of society. And if I can help it, I will help decide if YOU have the legal right to take another life. It was legal to whip, brand and even kill black human beings in this country at one time.
So, now you want to control the lives and bodies of women instead of Blacks. Ok, but there’s this whole thing called “freedom” that kinda gets in the way of that.
DoggoneGA
March 2nd, 2013
9:14 pm
“Jam: I never cared that much for Neil Youngs voice”
Fred…the funny thing is, neither do I…yet every time I chance upon him singing I feel almost compelled to listen. Been that way since I was a teenager.
DoggoneGA
March 2nd, 2013
9:16 pm
“The comment was that killing is illegal.”
Yes, you’re correct. I should have said “murder” not “killing”
josef
March 2nd, 2013
9:16 pm
DOGGONE
On Neil Young…me, too!
Jay
March 2nd, 2013
9:17 pm
“What does it mean when you go in and find the bed made up with freshly laundered linens and the floor’s been vacuumed? I keep fergettin…
I once made the honest mistake of changing the sheets while my wife was out of town.
“You did WHAT? Why?!”
moonbat betty
March 2nd, 2013
9:18 pm
This one still holds true today also.
If you don’t like metal, don’t click on this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umeZtszNShk
Towncrier
March 2nd, 2013
9:18 pm
“Really?”
Isn’t Maria Cheng a Salon writer? And isn’t the “study” she cites one produced by Guttmacher Institute, which seeks “to advance reproductive health including abortion rights”? Come one…I grow weary of partisan groups trying to buttress their positions with pseudo-scientific “studies”.
josef
March 2nd, 2013
9:18 pm
DOGGONE
@ 9:16
That really was my point. Thanks for seeing it.
Jay
March 2nd, 2013
9:19 pm
This is quite telling:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/03/02/this-is-why-obama-cant-make-a-deal-with-republicans/
Towncrier
March 2nd, 2013
9:20 pm
“So, now you want to control the lives and bodies of women instead of Blacks.”
Dumb de dumb dumb…
josef
March 2nd, 2013
9:20 pm
IMAM
Shoulda told her, “I was missing you, Suguh, and wanted to have things ready when you got back!”
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
9:21 pm
Looks like Obama’s “in bed with” press honeymoon may really be over !!!
Washington Post: “This is a warning shot over the bow of the White House press corps …. ”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2013/02/28/obama-white-house-and-the-media-an-integrity-problem/
DoggoneGA
March 2nd, 2013
9:22 pm
Josef – I’ve never been able to explain why I find his voice so compelling. Here’s another piece I’ve always found compelling. It used to be in an ad for some airline and I’d ALWAYS have to stop what I was doing to listen! It’s from Yanni at the Acropolis and I don’t know who the singers are, but they are AMAZING.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMkHO0NzFy0
moonbat betty
March 2nd, 2013
9:24 pm
That’s hilarious Jay @9:17.
No good deed goes unpunished…
Towncrier
March 2nd, 2013
9:25 pm
“Moochers by any other name are still moochers.”
And dummies by any other name are still dummies.
moonbat betty
March 2nd, 2013
9:25 pm
Neil Young is a god!
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
March 2nd, 2013
9:26 pm
. . . or you could even expose yourself to any number of environmental influences
Well, I hope you know you can get arrested for that. Just ask my buddy Joe Bill. He was on the way home and needed to take a leak real bad and he was so far from any bathroom he decided to pull over on the highway and . . . well, expose hisself to environmental influences. Anyhow, along come a cop and Joe Bill was in the county jail in Cumming for exposing hisself. And they never even said anything about environmental influences.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
9:27 pm
“Foreign governments with U.S. writers on their payroll?”
Hey Jay:
Don’t forget to add Rodman:
1) Joe Kennedy (mouthpiece for communists)
2) Al Gore (mouthpiece for radical Islam)
3) Dennis Rodman (mouthpiece for two-bit dictators)
Headline: “Leaving NKorea, Rodman calls Kims ‘great leaders’ …”
http://www.ajc.com/ap/ap/top-news/leaving-nkorea-rodman-calls-kims-great-leaders/nWdTB/
P.S. How the heck did he ever get a name like “Dennis” ??
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
9:28 pm
Doesn’t mean that much to me
To mean that much to you.
I’ve been first and last
Look at how the time goes past.
But I’m all alone at last”
struck a chord in me at an early age.
Me too…
His voice? On Zuma it is almost insufferable on Stupid Girl, yet from that same album, this stunner….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9cHkX5Ng2o
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
9:29 pm
And dummies by any other name are still dummies.
And sock-puppets are still sock-puppets.
Milkweed
March 2nd, 2013
9:30 pm
How did the native americans address the situation of the unwanted pregnancy?
Okay, that was a bit of a rhetorical query. The endless droning about prove this and prove that does, in fact, tend to prove one thing. The matter of life and when it begins is an “affair of the conscience” and as James Madison was known to say that laws should not invade such affairs of the conscience.
So, believe upon your faith, and practice it. But allow others to believe upon theirs and leave them alone to do so.
Look before I leap...
March 2nd, 2013
9:32 pm
“Nope not yet but if it were a bit warmer outside I could smoke my weekend cigar and probably get there. – ”
My wife used to let me smoke my stogies in the den when it was cold outside. Then we got new furniture and I was banished to the balcony permanently. Bought a table top propane heater – add in my fleece-lined boots and a sweater and I am in Montecristo heaven. The added benefit? My bourbon stays at cellar temp without the need for ice.
Towncrier
March 2nd, 2013
9:32 pm
“This is quite telling”
Thanks for the link, Jay. The author provides a link to an outline of Obama’s “proposal” – the first time I have ever seen it in writing. I wonder how long it has been there? I believe something much greater needs to be done to deal with the entitlement spending on retiring baby boomers that is about to ramp up. Getting the economy rolling again would, of course, be a big help.
bman.
March 2nd, 2013
9:32 pm
Richard Marx @richardmarx
“@Jonfrom1942 What song of yours can I drunkenly butcher at karaoke that would offend you the least?” Cuts Like A Knife
hahaha
Look before I leap...
March 2nd, 2013
9:33 pm
BTW
The answer to the trivia question from way back is:
They all 3 have cabinets.
Towncrier
March 2nd, 2013
9:34 pm
“And sock-puppets are still sock-puppets.”
And regurgitators are still regurgitators.
DoggoneGA
March 2nd, 2013
9:34 pm
“The matter of life and when it begins is an “affair of the conscience” – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=6#comment-1249325”
It isn’t to me. Anti-abortionists are overly fond of saying that “libs” won’t “admit” that a foetus is alive. I’ve never had a problem “admitting” that. To me it’s not a matter of of life, it’s a matter of humanity. At the age at which abortion is legal, a foetus is not a human being…to me THAT is the matter. It is a flat out lie to say that abortion kills babies. It does not.
td
March 2nd, 2013
9:38 pm
And now for a small trip down memory lane and one of the bands that put MTV on the map.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nZniMYCZp4
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
9:38 pm
And regurgitators are still regurgitators.
Serial drudgey spammers say, “What?”
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
9:41 pm
These cons are fighting for traitors that will leave our country to not pay taxes.
Like that ugly french traitor.
Look before I leap...
March 2nd, 2013
9:42 pm
““What does it mean when you go in and find the bed made up with freshly laundered linens and the floor’s been vacuumed? I keep fergettin… ”
In the case of my wife and I, it means the housekeeper has been there. We both spend an average of 15-18/nights a month in hotels. We’ve gotten a bit spoiled by that. She does get a bit peeved when I call the hotel she in which she is booked and bribe the housekeeping staff to short-sheet her bed.
Towncrier
March 2nd, 2013
9:46 pm
“At the age at which abortion is legal, a foetus is not a human being…to me THAT is the matter. It is a flat out lie to say that abortion kills babies. It does not.”
Well, let’s once again examine your reasoning. Roe allows abortions up to the 28th week or pregnancy, but it is a medical fact that prematurely born fetuses are viable before then – even the 21st or 22nd week. Granted, medical assistance in is often needed in the earliest weeks of the viability spectrum to support the infants’ lives, but they do live and grow to adulthood. But, by your reasoning, they are not human beings. I, on the other hand, am saying that a WHOLE LOT of such “human beings” have been killed since 1973. Hence, abortion does in fact kill babies.
bman.
March 2nd, 2013
9:47 pm
“It is a flat out lie to say that abortion kills babies. It does not.”
Let Freedom Ring!
DoggoneGA
March 2nd, 2013
9:50 pm
Your description of the Roe v Wade “allowance” is disingenuous:
“The Court later rejected Roe’s trimester framework, while affirming Roe’s central holding that a person has a right to abortion until viability.[1] The Roe decision defined “viable” as being “potentially able to live outside the mother’s womb, albeit with artificial aid”, adding that viability “is usually placed at about seven months (28 weeks) but may occur earlier, even at 24 weeks.”[2]”
If the foetus is viable then it is not an abortion, it is an induced delivery.
TaxPayer
March 2nd, 2013
9:51 pm
Of course abortion is not killing.
josef
March 2nd, 2013
9:51 pm
DOGGONE
Pretty similar feelings here about Yanni
MOONBAT
Where the hell have you been?
Towncrier
March 2nd, 2013
9:51 pm
“Serial drudgey spammers say, “What?”
Serial regurgitators ask “What?”
FYI, “sport”, it is ungrammatical to insert a comma between “say” and “what” in the sentence you spam. But don’t let my “passive-aggressive” tip alter your writing habits in the least.
moonbat betty
March 2nd, 2013
9:51 pm
Ahhh, abortion debate on a Sat. night…
happy happy…joy joy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1LOWEufAH0
moonbat betty
March 2nd, 2013
9:52 pm
OREP says, “What?”
lol
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
9:53 pm
And dummies by any other name are still dummies.
So sayeth the one with 300 screen names and one personality…
I would say takes one to know one, but comparing you to a dummy is very demeaning to true dummies.
DoggoneGA
March 2nd, 2013
9:53 pm
“Of course abortion is not killing.”
Can’t agree with that. Josef and I hashed it out. Abortion is not murder, but it IS killing.
breckenridge
March 2nd, 2013
9:54 pm
Towncrier – It’s been 40 years since the Supreme Court ruled on the legality of abortion. The belief that all abortion is murder is based on the idea that life begins at the moment of conception, which is a religious precept. And as we all know our Founding Fathers were completely against mingling religion with government policy.
“An alliance or coalition between government and religion cannot be too carefully guarded against……Every new and successful example therefore of a perfect separation between ecclesiastical and civil matters is of importance……..religion and government will exist in greater purity, without (rather) than with the aid of government.” James Madison, author of the Bill of Rights, 1822.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
9:55 pm
FYI, “sport”, it is ungrammatical to insert a comma between “say” and “what” in the sentence you spam.
Yes, I know, sport.
And you fall for the bait every time.
Sport.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
TaxPayer
March 2nd, 2013
9:55 pm
Abortion is not killing of a human life given that is the context of the argument.
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
9:56 pm
OREP says, “What?”
lol
Milkweed
March 2nd, 2013
9:56 pm
This from the “Society for the Prevention of Infanticide” website:
“The colonists brought infanticide to America from England while at the same time finding that the Indians practiced it as well. As was the case in Germany extreme discipline characterized family life in puritanical colonial America and parents were given extensive liberty to punish their children, even to the point of death. In 1646 the General Court of Massachusetts Bay had enacted a law where “a stubborn or rebellious son, of sufficient years and understanding, ” would be brought before the Magistrates in court and “such a son shall be put to death.” “Stubborn child laws” were also enacted in Connecticut in 1650, Rhode Island in 1668, and New Hampshire in 1679.’
Interesting how societal mores ebb and flow.
DoggoneGA
March 2nd, 2013
9:56 pm
“The belief that all abortion is murder is based on the idea that life begins at the moment of conception, which is a religious precept – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=7#comment-1249357”
And there is no law that compels ANYONE to GET an abortion. So if you don’t believe you should have one, then don’t get one.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
9:57 pm
“If the foetus is viable then it is not an abortion, it is an induced delivery.”
1) Unless the doctor puts the scizzors into its skull then it is called “death”.
2) Unless you can’t determine the EXACT second of viability (and you can’t) then you are putting thousands and thousands of viable babies to death each year. Under the law that should be at least “negligent” homicide.
DoggoneGA
March 2nd, 2013
9:58 pm
“Abortion is not killing of a human life given that is the context of the argument. – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=7#comment-1249363”
Yes, I agree with that.
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
9:59 pm
Jay
Thanks for that Wonkblog link. That’s why I say that Obama needs to grow a spine and let the chips fall where they may. The only way the GOP will agree to anything is if they get their version of “compromise” which is getting everything they want and denying Dems everything they want.
It doesn’t even matter that most of the public, when polled, want something totally different. A jackass by any other name is still stubborn as hell, braying loud, and doing absolutely nothing at all.
TaxPayer
March 2nd, 2013
10:00 pm
Birth control pills do not abort a viable fetus.
bman.
March 2nd, 2013
10:00 pm
“FYI, “sport”, it is ungrammatical to insert a comma between “say” and “what” in the sentence you spam.”
People here, on this board, will, at times, use too many commas, and in too many places. Moreover, and however, sometimes, most times, and even many other times, they don’t use commas, in broadcast news.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
10:01 pm
getalife:
“These cons are fighting for traitors that will leave our country to not pay taxes.”
Headline: “Americans renouncing citizenship to become British… ”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/9904314/Americans-renouncing-citizenship-to-become-British-thanks-to-tax-rise.html
HECK getalife ! More than half of Georgia fought to STAY British !
http://www.toriesfightingfortheking.com/ToryArmy.htm
Welcome to the Occupation
March 2nd, 2013
10:02 pm
“The bourgeoisie has torn away from the family its sentimental veil, and has reduced the family relation to a mere money relation.”
moonbat betty
March 2nd, 2013
10:02 pm
TP, it depends on what you consider “alive” or “life”. That’s why there will never be an agreement, thus pointless to argue.
Roe/Wade will never be turned over by Republicans.
It’s an old liberal urban legend.
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
10:03 pm
After they are born, cons cut their funding so they starve to death.
Post term abortions with starvation, freezing to death on the streets and wars.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
10:03 pm
Excuse me @ 9:57
“can determine”
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
10:05 pm
moonbat betty:
Just saw the movie “Lincoln” today.
As we all know it took 250 years to rid ourselves of the evil of slavery.
Time is on our side regarding the rights of the unborn.
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
10:05 pm
Bman
That, was one funny, hilarious post, one that will remain, in my head, until I likely pass out, from lack of oxygen, because of my unstoppable laughter.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
10:06 pm
getalife:
Don’t forget accidental gun deaths.
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
10:06 pm
scout,
How many kids did you adopt?
TaxPayer
March 2nd, 2013
10:06 pm
Moon at,
Cons cannot even define conception much less determine when it has occurred.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
10:06 pm
It’s an old liberal urban legend.
Bloody Mary, bloody Mary, bloody Mary says, “What?”
Welcome to the Occupation
March 2nd, 2013
10:07 pm
“People here, on this board, will, at times, use too many commas, and in too many places. Moreover, and however, sometimes, most times, and even many other times, they don’t use commas, in broadcast news.”
This is, hands down, one of the vilest, most offensive, most truly cretinous, heart-rending things I’ve ever seen posted on these boards.
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
10:07 pm
get, Carlin said it perfectly about them…
http://tinyurl.com/68l8839
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
10:07 pm
Come to Georgia ……… right getalife ??
“One of the largest producers of magazines, other firearm accessories in US, Magpul, is suddenly in middle of Colorado’s gun control debate, as it issues ultimatum to lawmakers — if bill is passed restricting ammunition magazine size, it is moving out of state.”
TaxPayer
March 2nd, 2013
10:08 pm
Darn this iPad. It changed moonbat to moon at!
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
10:08 pm
“Time is on our side regarding the rights of the unborn. ”
There is a pill now for unwanted pregnancies so you are losing badly.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
10:08 pm
getalife:
“How many kids did you adopt?”
How many kids did I not murder ?
bman.
March 2nd, 2013
10:09 pm
Bro .. .. Don’t encourage me !
moonbat betty
March 2nd, 2013
10:11 pm
“After they are born, cons cut their funding so they starve to death.
Post term abortions with starvation, freezing to death on the streets and wars.”
Sure, getalife, it wouldn’t have anything to do with the parent’s:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR3wSz-r1SU
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
10:11 pm
Mabe the Obama’s will name their next dog Sequester.
Has a nice ring to it.
TaxPayer
March 2nd, 2013
10:11 pm
Scout thinks time is on his side. Meanwhile reality continues to elude him.
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
10:11 pm
bman.
That one was seriously funny!!! Listening to all this partisaned crap makes one need laughter even more than normal.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
10:12 pm
moonbat betty:
Did you know that getalife is a real honest to goodness gun nut?
I’m not kidding.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
10:12 pm
“Scout thinks time is on his side.”
No ……… I’ve only got about 20 left.
It’s on the side of the future unborn.
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
10:13 pm
Jam,
Carlin is hilarious.
For you abortion nuts, go adopt some children and put your money where you mouth is.
appleseed
March 2nd, 2013
10:13 pm
When will women stop these abortions?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
10:14 pm
“Here Sequester, here Sequester, here Sequester. Michelle, that dog is getting too fat. Cut back on his food !”
TaxPayer
March 2nd, 2013
10:14 pm
“Sure, getalife, it wouldn’t have anything to do with the parent’s: – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=7#comment-1249389”
That depends on whether their attempt to abort was denied by some holier than thou con.
bman.
March 2nd, 2013
10:14 pm
Bro .. .. I think it’s Sequester Stress.
Towncrier
March 2nd, 2013
10:14 pm
“If the foetus is viable then it is not an abortion, it is an induced delivery.”
Clearly, fetuses that were in fact viable have been and still are being aborted.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
10:14 pm
appleseed:
“Equal rights for unborn women”.
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
10:15 pm
Did you know that getalife is a real honest to goodness gun nut.
I am more of a gun opportunist.
I saw the fear in the cons eyes, bought cheap and sold high.
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
10:15 pm
bman
Nah, some of these people were PMSing long before this stuff.
DoggoneGA
March 2nd, 2013
10:15 pm
“When will women stop these abortions?”
When will God stop spontaneous abortions?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
10:15 pm
Towncrier:
And if the nice sounding “induced delivery” is in the form of the child being torn apart then that’s kind of a moot point.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
10:16 pm
When will women stop these abortions?
Any time now.
It was only just recently that they discovered they had this anti-rape vagina chaff thingie.
TaxPayer
March 2nd, 2013
10:16 pm
The unborn have no future by definition.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
10:16 pm
“It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish.”
Mother Teresa
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
10:17 pm
crier,
How many children did you adopt?
moonbat betty
March 2nd, 2013
10:18 pm
Ipads can be a b-itch, TaxPayer.
When I saw the ultrasound of my daughter’s heart beating at 4 weeks, that had a profound effect on me.
What others want to do with their life is their problem and they will have to deal with that themselves.
As long as it’s not funded by taxpayer money, it’s on them.
DoggoneGA
March 2nd, 2013
10:18 pm
“Clearly, fetuses that were in fact viable have been and still are being aborted. – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=7#comment-1249402”
That is not the fault of Roe v Wade. If it is true, then there should have been a trial for murder. Was there?
Towncrier
March 2nd, 2013
10:18 pm
“Yes, I know, sport.”
ROFL. Now there is a cover-up of sizable proportions. You evidently don’t know much at all, “sport”. If you did, you would have at some point demonstrated said knowledge.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
10:18 pm
Liberals have no future by definition.
When will God stop all death.
DoggoneGA
March 2nd, 2013
10:19 pm
““Equal rights for unborn women”.”
But not for unborn men
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
10:19 pm
crier:
How many children did you not murder ?
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
10:20 pm
Put your money where your mouth is and adopt unwanted children to give credibility to your argument.
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
10:20 pm
Meanwhile reality continues to elude him.
Yep, as much as the cons value the similarities with them, America is not gonna join in with the Iranians, Saudis, Libyans, Egyptians, Yemenis and Afghanis in crushing the rights of women.
Those days are done forever in this land.
Hallelujah, abortion is legal and safe now. And the fascists can’t do a damn thing about it…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwcKwGS7OSQ
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
10:21 pm
The wealthy that you are fighting for are leaving our country over taxes so you are fighting for traitors that are no longer Americans.
Josef
March 2nd, 2013
10:21 pm
Gets life
@ 10:06
Me and Unmentionable? One. We DO have a leg to stand on there. And you know what? Neither “side” wants to hear what we have to say. That’s why I tend to stay out of this “discussion.” it’s Paracelsus’ “two wh*res discussing chastity” imeoiauo.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
10:21 pm
“But not for unborn men”
Nope ………. not right now. They still have to register for the draft wherein the state can take control of their bodies for two years and send them to a place they don’t want to go in a war they disapprove of where they will possibly be killed or maimed physically or emotinally for life.
Women don’t have to register.
There are no female draftees on the Vietnam Wall.
DoggoneGA
March 2nd, 2013
10:22 pm
“When will God stop all death.”
When God outlaws death, only criminals will die
TaxPayer
March 2nd, 2013
10:22 pm
But the sound of a child being blown apart by the war mongering cons is one they just cannot get enough of. And the sound of the ar15 blowing children apart is second only to the bomb for a con. I wonder what sort of sound a fertilized egg blocked by birth control makes. Does it yell out in agony like the child getting blown away. It would need nerve endings and a vocal cord to start with.
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
10:22 pm
Liberals have no future by definition.
Must be that book of made up cr@p in which Christianity is not a religion…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPKrDPmdNdw
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
10:23 pm
“Yep, as much as the cons value the similarities with them, America is not gonna join in with the Iranians, Saudis, Libyans, Egyptians, Yemenis and Afghanis in crushing the rights of women.”
Islamaphobe !
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
10:23 pm
Now there is a cover-up of sizable proportions.
Funny, that’s what Catrinel Menghia said.
Sport.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
10:23 pm
LOL !
DoggoneGA
March 2nd, 2013
10:24 pm
“Put your money where your mouth is and adopt unwanted children to give credibility to your argument – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=7#comment-1249419”
It has to start before then. They need to be willing to hire the pregnant woman to bear her child, be willing to pay all expenses related to the pregnancy and delivery, and THEN adopt the resulting child. They want a living child, why should the pregnant woman have to bear all the expense for them?
bman.
March 2nd, 2013
10:25 pm
Bro .. .. It’s tough for guys like me. I’m not for abortion (I don’t know how anyone could be), but I think it’s the choice of the individual. It’s hard for me to relate it to a crime & that the person should do the time. Who didn’t fool around during their younger years?
If I weren’t shooting blanks, I’d have 15 kids right now.
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
10:25 pm
josef,
I want to hear what you have to say because you have credibility in the argument.
Do tell.
td
March 2nd, 2013
10:27 pm
There is not a progressive on this blog that wants to even consider the term personal responsibility.
Welcome to the Occupation
March 2nd, 2013
10:29 pm
TaxPayer: “The unborn have no future by definition.”
Interesting logical paradox.
DoggoneGA
March 2nd, 2013
10:31 pm
“There is not a progressive on this blog that wants to even consider the term personal responsibility. – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=7#comment-1249425”
Sure we do, that’s why most of us support a woman’s right to choose. And that is SO damn funny coming from all the times we’ve been asked to do the work of cons and prove their points for them!
td
March 2nd, 2013
10:32 pm
TaxPayer
March 2nd, 2013
10:22 pm
But the sound of a child being blown apart by the war mongering cons is one they just cannot get enough of. And the sound of the ar15 blowing children apart is second only to the bomb for a con. I wonder what sort of sound a fertilized egg blocked by birth control makes. Does it yell out in agony like the child getting blown away. It would need nerve endings and a vocal cord to start with.
Huge difference. The young person in a war chose to join the military with knowledge that they may have to go to war and there is a chance that you will give your life for your country. The unborn is a human being with no choice at all and 99% of the time is there because of the irresponsible actions of the parents.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
10:33 pm
There is not a progressive on this blog that wants to even consider the term personal responsibility.
Oxycontin addicted El Rushbo says, “What?”
DoggoneGA
March 2nd, 2013
10:34 pm
“The young person in a war chose to join the military with knowledge that they may have to go to war and there is a chance that you will give your life for your country – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=7#comment-1249430”
Yeah, because there are just SO MANY toddlers out there that chose to go to war. It isn’t just soldiers who die in war. I refer you to “collateral damage”
breckenridge
March 2nd, 2013
10:35 pm
It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish.” Mother Teresa
Mother Teresa was a good lady, although according to the nonsensical beliefs of born-again Christians she’s not in heaven due to the fact that she was Catholic. Such stupidity…all one can do is shake his head.
However Mother Teresa is not relevant to the abortion discussion in America. Not is the Bible relevant. What is relevant is the Constitution, and the interpretation the Supreme Court thereof.
moonbat betty
March 2nd, 2013
10:35 pm
TaxPayer done got all hysterical.
Towncrier
March 2nd, 2013
10:36 pm
“That is not the fault of Roe v Wade. If it is true, then there should have been a trial for murder. Was there?”
George Tiller was charged with not murder but misdemeanors, as I recall. I don’t know who else has been charged off the top of my head. BTW, as I am sure you are aware, fetal movement can be felt as early as the fourth month of pregnancy – before an unborn child’s legally defined “viability”.
TaxPayer
March 2nd, 2013
10:36 pm
Td,
Not everyone blown up in a war chose to be there. No more so than a child chooses to be shot with an ar15.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
10:36 pm
In case someone on here missed this earlier:
“You don’t need an AR-15. It’s harder to aim; it’s harder to use.
And in fact, you don’t need 30 rounds to protect yourself. Buy a shotgun. Buy a shotgun.” — Joe Biden
Funny, especially the gal with the semi-auto…Our Veep is brilliant.
Women Take Biden’s Shotgun Advice:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=Ia4csoQLvGY&NR=1
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
10:37 pm
……….. and this one on the DEBT LIMIT:
You owe it to yourself to watch the SUPRISE ENDING !
http://www.youtube.com/embed/Li0no7O9zmE
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
10:38 pm
Iraqi children are still getting blown up and Iraqis are giving up on their government.
But cons ignore that fact.
There is an opportunity for you pro lifers in gay marriage because they will adopt unwanted born children but you don’t care about born children.
There is no pro life arguments for born children except on the left.
TaxPayer
March 2nd, 2013
10:38 pm
Moonbat,
Hysterics are the domain of the cons especially given their inability to do math or science. What else do they have left.
Josef
March 2nd, 2013
10:39 pm
Getalife
Okay, the Readers Digest version. We are opposed to abortion as a means of birth control. When we were presented with the case of a woman who shared our belief but was in no position to raise her child, we put our money, time, effort and energy where our mouths were. It was a blessing. A similar thing when our boys were left orphaned.
DoggoneGA
March 2nd, 2013
10:40 pm
“George Tiller was charged with not murder but misdemeanors, as I recall. I don’t know who else has been charged off the top of my head – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=7#comment-1249433”
Then what you are saying is that when the law IS broken there can be a case to be proven. So the law works as it should.
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
10:41 pm
bman.
It’s not tough at all. Do as I do and just laugh at the idiocy on display. For example…
“Conservative” posts: “There is not a progressive on this blog that wants to even consider the term personal responsibility.”
When the “progressives” here all support “choice” which actually requires the pregnant woman to take responsibility for herself and decide whether or not she’s going to give birth and raise the child, give birth and put the child up for adoption, or abort the pregnancy. If that’s not advocating personal responsibility, then I’m not Brosephus. However, once the word “abort” enters the picture, that one word blocks out any and everything else in the conservative mind causing them to actually advocate the opposite of personal choice because THEY want to dictate what the woman does.
I’m in the same boat as you, which is why I simply laugh my ass off at the idea of the “party of personal responsibility” openly and actively advocates trampling on someone’s personal responsibility while they’re claiming that people need to be more responsible. They’re wanting to create moochers for the sake of berating them.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
10:41 pm
When the V.P. said he had told his wife if she thought something was amiss just to take a double barreled shotgun and go out on the deck and shoot a couple of “blasts” ………… I assume he knows his wife has 24/7 Secret Service protection.
But then maybe he doesn’t know.
Towncrier
March 2nd, 2013
10:41 pm
“How many children did you not murder?”
You mean of the unborn kind? Since I am not a female or a medical doctor, none. I never have had the opportunity to murder an unborn child, so there are none that I elected not to murder.
appleseed
March 2nd, 2013
10:42 pm
If its the choice of the individual,then its the responsibility of the individual,All kinds of BC exist,free or cheap why does it need end in death?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
10:42 pm
……………. then you’re not Brosephus.
td
March 2nd, 2013
10:43 pm
TaxPayer
March 2nd, 2013
10:38 pm
Moonbat,
Hysterics are the domain of the cons especially given their inability to do math or science.
Now I laughed so hard I almost peed in my pants over that ridiculous statement when it is the left that does not understand the math of borrowing 40 cents on every dollar we spend is not good for the nation and does not understand the basic biological knowledge as to when life actually begins.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
10:43 pm
Towncrier:
Exactly. Thank you.
St Simons - he-ne-ha
March 2nd, 2013
10:43 pm
if you are against the right to terminate a pregnancy AND against
free birth control, a) you don’t have 3 daughters, and b) you should
be entitled to 2 yrs of therapy for your sexual repression issues.
(idk the psych term, mrsstsimons is at a snob party right now)
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
10:44 pm
Hysterics are the domain of the cons especially given their inability to do math or science. What else do they have left.
Birtherism.
Skewerism.
Skeeterism.
Benghazi-ism.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
10:44 pm
“THEY want to dictate what the woman does.”
You mean like when “they” (the government) sent thousands of men to their deaths against their will ?
moonbat betty
March 2nd, 2013
10:45 pm
geez,
TaxPayer and getalife need to get a room and have a waaaaa waaaaaa party.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOgv-UuTgac
G Mare
March 2nd, 2013
10:45 pm
td@10:27, re ‘personal responsibility,’ it seems to me that most progressives/liberals believe in responsibility beyond what is merely personal & selfish.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 2nd, 2013
10:46 pm
…when it is the left that does not understand the math…
Election night Karl Rove says, “What?”
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
10:46 pm
……………. then you’re not Brosephus.
Ok wise one, explain it then. How is YOU enforcing YOUR beliefs and ideas onto a stranger with whom you’ll never meet equate to her taking personal responsibility for herself and her actions?
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
10:48 pm
You mean like when “they” (the government) sent thousands of men to their deaths against their will ?
Nope. Not hardly. Your attempt to deflect is duly noted though.
DoggoneGA
March 2nd, 2013
10:48 pm
“You mean like when “they” (the government) sent thousands of men to their deaths against their will ? – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=8#sthash.W4tNVnQy.dpuf”
They had a choice. They could have left the country to avoid being drafted.
TaxPayer
March 2nd, 2013
10:49 pm
Td,
I am sure you were laughing when bush and the cons cut taxes without cutting any spending and thus had to borrow to keep their scam going. And then again when they started two wars without providing the first additional tax dollar to pay for them. Then there was their prescription drug company benefit funded with more borrowed money…
td
March 2nd, 2013
10:49 pm
Brosephus™ – If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
10:41 pm
What is so hard to understand that taking an innocent human life is not taking responsibility for ones actions but rather is reliving oneself of the responsibility of taking care of what one created. No spin can get you out of that fact. You can call it choice or use legal terms about life but the bottom line is it is a human being and one choice to get rid of their responsibility and kill a human being when one chooses abortion.
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
10:49 pm
You mean like when “they” (the government) sent thousands of men to their deaths against their will ?
Nope. I mean like when “they” (private citizens) stick their noses into the personal and private affairs of private citizens where they have absolutely NO business getting into them in the first place.
Towncrier
March 2nd, 2013
10:49 pm
“Then what you are saying is that when the law IS broken there can be a case to be proven. So the law works as it should.”
I don’t know that I would agree with your understanding of what I said. Tiller was acquitted of the charges. I don’t know how many doctors have NOT been charged with terminating the live of a “viable” fetus. I don’t think any in Canada, since there are now no restrictions on abortions there. If you look at international law, you will find that we allow abortions later than most countries (except Canada, China and Vietnam). Given that, I am not sure how you can be so confident that Roe is necessarily right.
Are you an agnostic or atheist?
moonbat betty
March 2nd, 2013
10:49 pm
“inability to do math or science”
Apparently, if you have children, you did not have an ultrasound early in the pregnancy.
It doesn’t take math or science…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
10:51 pm
Headline: “Cleared of Rape, Former Montana QB Wants Back in the Game”
“Former University of Montana star quarterback Jordan Johnson hopes to return to the sport he loves after being acquitted of sexual assault charges, the football player’s family said today.”
“Despite the prosecutions’ attempts to prove Johnson, 20, of Eugue, Ore., had raped a classmate and former acquaintance last February after she invited him over to watch a movie, evidence showed Johnson had consensual sex with the 21-year-old alleged victim.”
But the defense countered her claim with text messages the alleged victim sent to a friend, writing “I don’t think he did anything wrong.”
http://gma.yahoo.com/cleared-rape-former-montana-qb-wants-back-game-190515844–abc-news-topstories.html
Now let’s see if she is charged with perjury, filing a false police report, etc.
I doubt it.
TaxPayer
March 2nd, 2013
10:51 pm
Moonbat tries to deflect. She is getting hysterical.
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
10:52 pm
What is so hard to understand that taking an innocent human life is not taking responsibility for ones actions but rather is reliving oneself of the responsibility of taking care of what one created.
What is so hard about minding YOUR own business and staying out of the business of others? You can couch your stuff in religion or whatever you choose, but you can’t fix your mouth to claim that people need to be responsible for their actions, as you have claimed numerous times about welfare when you’re trying to push your beliefs onto people where you have absolutely NO business getting into their personal affairs.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
10:53 pm
They had a choice. They could have left the country to avoid being drafted.
And so could the women have left to have their babies killed in another country.
Towncrier
March 2nd, 2013
10:53 pm
“You mean like when “they” (the government) sent thousands of men to their deaths against their will?”
Or perhaps when “they” wanted to disarm the people “they” had displaced off from their own lands:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wounded_Knee_Massacre
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
10:53 pm
Josef,
That is what I am talking about.
Thank you.
No wonder you saw the light.
DoggoneGA
March 2nd, 2013
10:54 pm
“What is so hard to understand that taking an innocent human life is not taking responsibility for ones actions but rather is reliving oneself of the responsibility of taking care of what one created – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=8#comment-1249459”
And it’s not your body, and not your pregnancy, and it’s none of your business. It’s a pity we aren’t like sea horses, where the male carries the young to term. That would give a whole new meaning to “If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament”
moonbat betty
March 2nd, 2013
10:54 pm
Yeah TP, I’m deflecting and flying off the handle here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ESHjYat9rk
lol
DoggoneGA
March 2nd, 2013
10:55 pm
“Are you an agnostic or atheist?”
Why do you ask?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
10:55 pm
Brosephus:
You’re in law enforcement. You know better.
Every law ever passed is based on the WILL of one segment of society (through their elected representatives) to enforce those beliefs/will on others. That’s just the way it is.
The only arguement here is not WILL but whose side is morally right.
moonbat betty
March 2nd, 2013
10:56 pm
Great thing you did, josef.
And for anyone else that has adopted as well.
God bless you.
TaxPayer
March 2nd, 2013
10:56 pm
Moonbat does not understand the limitations of the ultrasound. It does not detect conception or the day after or the day after that, etc. Cons want to eliminate condoms and birth control pills and the morning after pill and the IUD and spermicide,etc.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
10:57 pm
Excuse me:
“argument”
td
March 2nd, 2013
10:59 pm
Brosephus™ – If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
10:52 pm
What is so hard to understand that taking an innocent human life is not taking responsibility for ones actions but rather is reliving oneself of the responsibility of taking care of what one created.
What is so hard about minding YOUR own business and staying out of the business of others? You can couch your stuff in religion or whatever you choose, but you can’t fix your mouth to claim that people need to be responsible for their actions, as you have claimed numerous times about welfare when you’re trying to push your beliefs onto people where you have absolutely NO business getting into their personal affairs.
So if my beliefs say that a my child is not behaving in a manner that I feel is appropriate then the government should not interfere when I punish them in a manner that I think is right?
The bible says that wives must “submit” to their husbands. So if my wife has a headache and says no and I force her anyway then the government should stay our of my affairs?
If you want to use the progressive thought about viability outside the womb then why is it a crime to kill your child before it is 2 or 3 years old because that child can not live on its own without a parent?
moonbat betty
March 2nd, 2013
11:00 pm
TaxPayer,
You ignore my original post in the matter and continues to deflect.
“What others want to do with their life is their problem and they will have to deal with that themselves.
As long as it’s not funded by taxpayer money, it’s on them.”
Period.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
11:00 pm
td:
Careful there …………. you might make them think.
TaxPayer
March 2nd, 2013
11:01 pm
And it took quite a bit of science to provide that ultrasound, moonbat. More than you apparently are aware of. In fact, science has given us the ability to saves millions of lives that would have otherwise died due to natural causes.
moonbat betty
March 2nd, 2013
11:02 pm
ewww an extra “s” in there somewhere..
big ammo…
DoggoneGA
March 2nd, 2013
11:02 pm
“If you want to use the progressive thought about viability outside the womb then why is it a crime to kill your child before it is 2 or 3 years old because that child can not live on its own without a parent? – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=8#comment-1249473”
Poor argument. It does not require the birth parents for a delivered child to survive. It only requires that someone take the place of the Mother and raise the child.
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
11:02 pm
You’re in law enforcement. You know better.
Every law ever passed is based on the WILL of one segment of society (through their elected representatives) to enforce those beliefs/will on others. That’s just the way it is.
And you took an oath to defend the Constitution. You know better. Abortion has been ruled Constitutional. The right to privacy has been upheld as Constitution in certain aspects. Why you and others like you want to trample over a woman’s right to privacy just because of YOUR morals is beyond me.
I bet if there were a group trying to instill “moral” laws based on Islam, you’d be having a Grand Mal seizure trying to stop it. That’s why this is a secular country, where people have the freedom to practice their beliefs in whatever they choose, as long as it is legal. That’s how it is in America. If you want religious rule, then go to a theocratic country. America ain’t one and will not be one.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
11:03 pm
“Analysis: For the first time in half a century, there is the real possibility that a person who did not fight in the Cuban Revolution will lead the country.”
How about Joseph Kennedy ? Or Dennis Rodman ?
TaxPayer
March 2nd, 2013
11:03 pm
Moonbat,
It also takes taxpayer money to deny people the opportunity to get an abortion. You seem to be all for that though.
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
11:03 pm
“Cons want to eliminate condoms and birth control pills and the morning after pill and the IUD and spermicide.”
Counterproductive to their argument . Inconsistent and weird.
td
March 2nd, 2013
11:04 pm
DoggoneGA
March 2nd, 2013
10:54 pm
Why is it considered child abuse if the mother is a drunk or drug addict and delivers a child addicted or the child has fetal alcohol syndrome?
breckenridge
March 2nd, 2013
11:04 pm
“Every law ever passed is based on the WILL of one segment of society (through their elected representatives) to enforce those beliefs/will on others. That’s just the way it is.”
Fair enough. But it is also the Constitutionally defined job of the Federal courts to do away with such laws if they step on individual liberties.. American law is designed to protect the rights of the majority, its purpose is to protect the rights declared in the Constitution of every American.
Their inability to control the courts like they can control some brain-dead worthless loser members of Congress (Inahofe, Bachmann) has always been the bane of the religious right.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
11:04 pm
Brosephus:
Have you been drinking tonight?
You know better.
Respecting the law/Constitution and trying to change it in legal ways are two different things.
I can respect the 55 mph speed limit and yet work legally to change it to 70 mph.
Geez !
breckenridge
March 2nd, 2013
11:05 pm
Should have read “not designed to protect the rights of the majority.”
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
11:06 pm
So if my beliefs say that a my child is not behaving in a manner that I feel is appropriate then the government should not interfere when I punish them in a manner that I think is right?
As long as it’s legal, then do what you feel is right.
The bible says that wives must “submit” to their husbands. So if my wife has a headache and says no and I force her anyway then the government should stay our of my affairs?
As long as what you do is legal, that’s between you and your wife.
If you want to use the progressive thought about viability outside the womb then why is it a crime to kill your child before it is 2 or 3 years old because that child can not live on its own without a parent?
Why should I use thought that I don’t think? That’s where you go off the rails. Study the laws. Abortion is legal up to a point. That’s why we have laws. Scout’s worried about you making somebody think, but you should try to think first.
TaxPayer
March 2nd, 2013
11:06 pm
Oh well. y’all have a pleasant evening.
DoggoneGA
March 2nd, 2013
11:06 pm
“Why is it considered child abuse if the mother is a drunk or drug addict and delivers a child addicted or the child has fetal alcohol syndrome? – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=8#comment-1249483”
I have no idea what the point of your question is. What does that have to do with a discussion on abortion?
Josef
March 2nd, 2013
11:07 pm
Getalife
Thanks for the vote, but it boils down to practicing what you preach, and that’s why I said that neither “side” wants to hear what we have to say. For us even to try to bring this into the “dialog” carries with it a note of piety which we detest. That’s why we tend to stay out of it. We didn’t do it out of any piety, but simply because we were presented with a situation where we could do something we were obliged to do. That obligation carried with it the blessing. I wish I could say it was the blessing that was the motivation, but iit wasn’t. It was the obligation. The blessing was the payback for living up to the obligation.
bman.
March 2nd, 2013
11:07 pm
“Or Dennis Rodman ?” Rodman’s Rainbow Obamaburger. Weird, but true.
http://deadspin.com/5927478/dennis-rodmans-father-had-29-children-by-16-women-and-is-actually-named-philander
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
11:07 pm
breckenridge:
I say again the law and morality are two different things. We all know that from Nazi Germany.
The law may be good/moral or it may be bad/immoral and courts (as they did slavery for years) may uphold it.
Upholding it does NOT make it necessarily moral. It just makes it the law.
td
March 2nd, 2013
11:07 pm
Brosephus™ – If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
11:02 pm
“And you took an oath to defend the Constitution. You know better. Abortion has been ruled Constitutional. The right to privacy has been upheld as Constitution in certain aspects. Why you and others like you want to trample over a woman’s right to privacy just because of YOUR morals is beyond me.”
And slavery was part of the Constitution and declared legal by the SCOTUS in the Dread Scott decision. Did that make it morally right?
moonbat betty
March 2nd, 2013
11:07 pm
“And it took quite a bit of science to provide that ultrasound, moonbat.”
TP,
Yes, I am aware there are one or two technical aspects of ultrasound. lol
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
11:07 pm
Human beings will have sex.
It is human nature.
You can’t change that.
DoggoneGA
March 2nd, 2013
11:08 pm
“American law is designed to protect the rights of the majority – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=8#comment-1249494”
That is not correct. American law is designed to protect the rights of us ALL, not just the majority
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
11:08 pm
Well said Bro.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
11:09 pm
For example, some of you libs. felt that when the SCOTUS upheld the 2nd Amendment that that was an “immoral” ruling.
That’s your right to believe that ……………. and we have our beliefs on the morality of other rulings.
And all sides will work to have their way.
That’s the way it has always been.
Now ……….. dismount from your “high horse”.
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
11:09 pm
Have you been drinking tonight?
Ask yourself that. You’re not trying to change the law. YOu’re butting your nose into the affairs of others. I don’t understand why y’all can’t get it through your head that it’s legal. It’s been taken to the Supreme Court.
You can try to increase the speed limit. If there are people who don’t want to do so, then you can’t “moral” them into trying get what YOU want. All these little petty attempts at insults don’t change the fact that you’re being nosy as hell in the private affairs of people where you have no right to interfering with their affairs.
Josef
March 2nd, 2013
11:10 pm
Moonbat
Believe me, H- has. Far more than we deserve.
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
11:10 pm
And slavery was part of the Constitution and declared legal by the SCOTUS in the Dread Scott decision. Did that make it morally right?
At that time, I think Christians used the Holy Bible to justify slavery. Doesn’t that make it morally right at that time?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
11:11 pm
td @ 11:07
Thank you !!!!!
td
March 2nd, 2013
11:11 pm
DoggoneGA
March 2nd, 2013
11:06 pm
“Why is it considered child abuse if the mother is a drunk or drug addict and delivers a child addicted or the child has fetal alcohol syndrome? – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=8#comment-1249483”
I have no idea what the point of your question is. What does that have to do with a discussion on abortion?
- See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=8#comment-1249498
The point is that you made the claim (paraphrase) that it is the woman’s body and the government should stay out of the decisions she makes with regards to said body.
Not a true sentiment.
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
11:12 pm
For example, some of you libs. felt that when the SCOTUS upheld the 2nd Amendment that that was an “immoral” ruling.
Why do y’all insist on this generic “you libs” thing all the time when you want to paint your thoughts onto others? Why don’t you be a man and ASK the person their beliefs? Are you too intimidated and not man enough to ask a simple question?
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
11:12 pm
Cons are fools for carrying on with their faux piety on this subject.
Obviously their
War on WomenFull Scale Legislative Assault on Women’s and Children’s Rights is working wonders for them.Just ask Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock among others about it.
It’s not just Democrats or liberals or women who outright reject the Republican Party’s goal of a constitutional ban on all abortions; such an amendment doesn’t even find support among Republicans (20 percent), conservatives (25 percent), or tea partiers (28 percent).
And yet it is in the party platform.
The leaders of this party have become too extreme even for their own base. For all the threats and hyperbole and dozens of failed bills in the House and hundreds of bills introduced around the country, this is not what Americans want. It’s not even what Republicans want.
You fanatics are fighting a lost battle…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
11:13 pm
“At that time, I think Christians used the Holy Bible to justify slavery. Doesn’t that make it morally right at that time?”
No ………. because they misinterpreted or ignored the clear teachings of the scriptures. Paul actually condemned the slave trade. Look it up.
And ……….. you make our point.
The law is the law ……….. but that does not mean it is moral or that it shouldn’t be changed when immoral.
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
11:14 pm
They should use that probe to check the prostrate for the pols that passed it.
Just sick.
Towncrier
March 2nd, 2013
11:14 pm
“Nope. I mean like when “they” (private citizens) stick their noses into the personal and private affairs of private citizens where they have absolutely NO business getting into them in the first place.”
What a bunch of malarkey. So, if a father is “privately” molesting his children in his own house and you suspect as much, it is none of your business? Here’s what liberals like yourself don’t really get: what was illegal in the past may be legal now and vice versa. Legality is NOT the measure of whether something is right or wrong – that depends instead upon a external moral standard. Abortion is right or wrong not because of what the SC says, but because of what an objective moral code says. Segregation, in the eyes of the SC, was once “constitutional” but now is not. Who really knows how things will develop in the future? No one in Germany in 1920 ever thought they would be divided as a country after a horrendous war brought on by someone who rose to power in a period of less than 10 years. The Wright brothers never imagined in 1906 that the very vehicle they were proving flight worthy would be used to drop nuclear devices on two cities not four decades later. It is a fool who doesn’t understand from history that very unexpected things can happen in a very short amount of time, who thinks that such-and-such could never happen here to to us.
td
March 2nd, 2013
11:14 pm
Brosephus™ – If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
11:10 pm
And slavery was part of the Constitution and declared legal by the SCOTUS in the Dread Scott decision. Did that make it morally right?
At that time, I think Christians used the Holy Bible to justify slavery. Doesn’t that make it morally right at that time?
And your point? If it was not for religious institutions then slavery may not have even been an issue.
G Mare
March 2nd, 2013
11:14 pm
bman@10:00, thank you for the commas post! I am a big fan of commas. My daughter gave me a mug that says, “Lets eat Grandma/Let’s eat, Grandma/Punctuation saves lives!”
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
11:15 pm
Brosephus:
You misquoted me ……… get off your high horse.
I said “some of you libs.”
“you libs.” does not equal “some of you libs.”
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
11:15 pm
Your party passed the violence against women.
The war is over.
Stop attacking them.
Move on.
moonbat betty
March 2nd, 2013
11:17 pm
After the teacher’s union meeting of ‘76 in Vegas, getalife has a child in every state.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4GZFbCqx18
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
11:18 pm
Our courts are replete with rulings that were later deemed illegal and/or immoral and thankfully they were changed.
That will continue.
Until a law is changed (i.e., illegal immigration law) it should be respected and enforced ………. correct Brosephus ??
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
11:18 pm
moonbat,
They said they were on the pill.
DoggoneGA
March 2nd, 2013
11:21 pm
“So, if a father is “privately” molesting his children in his own house and you suspect as much, it is none of your business? – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=8#comment-1249501”
Another poor example. The Father is molesting a CITIZEN of this country and breaking the law, of course it’s “our” business.
Towncrier
March 2nd, 2013
11:21 pm
“Why you and others like you want to trample over a woman’s right to privacy just because of YOUR morals is beyond me.”
Code for a license to kill: “a woman’s right to privacy”. Let’s turn that around: why you and others want to permit the taking of life just because of YOUR morals is beyond me.
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
11:23 pm
No ………. because they misinterpreted or ignored the clear teachings of the scriptures. Paul actually condemned the slave trade. Look it up.
And you’re applying today’s morals to yesterday’s problems. The fact that you can’t see that says more about your ability to think than you’ll ever know.
You misquoted me ……… get off your high horse.
I said “some of you libs.”
“you libs.” does not equal “some of you libs.”
“You libs” is still a part of “some of you libs” is it not? I didn’t misquote you. You simply show that you lack the testicular fortitude to be a man and ask a person what they actually think. You’d rather debate what YOU think for them instead.
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Towncrier
So, if a father is “privately” molesting his children in his own house and you suspect as much, it is none of your business?
Isn’t molestation ILLEGAL? Isn’t abortion LEGAL? You’re the one spewing malarkey. You need to learn what’s legal and illegal before you try to make a point. As it stands now, you’re shooting yourself in the foot.
Here’s what liberals like yourself don’t really get: what was illegal in the past may be legal now and vice versa. Legality is NOT the measure of whether something is right or wrong – that depends instead upon a external moral standard.
While not a liberal, if making me one means I’m opposite you, I’ll take that as a badge of honor. What Conservatives like you don’t understand is that this country is not a theocratic country. Legality is what it’s all about. Why should YOUR morals dictate everyone’s lifestyles when we don’t all share the same religious beliefs, religions, or even ideologies?
All that other crap ain’t even worth noting or responding to. That stuff reads like nothing but bandwidth killer.
————–
td: And your point?
You asked a question, and I answered. That’s my point.
breckenridge
March 2nd, 2013
11:23 pm
Earlier this week an Al Qaeda publication blasted Obama over his support for same sex marriage. The full article is on Mother Jones.
Al Qaeda…..Tony Perkins…….whatever.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
11:23 pm
O.K. It’s suddenly gotten a little quiet on here. I think “SOME” (repeat SOME) libs. painted themselves in a corner tonight and have decided to excuse themselves.
Everyone who stays be nice ……………..
TAPS !
DoggoneGA
March 2nd, 2013
11:24 pm
“why you and others want to permit the taking of life just because of YOUR morals is beyond me – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=8#comment-1249521”
If you don’t like the fact that God gave women sole control over their pregnancies, take it up with him. I’ve said it before: when you can prove to me that no spontaneous abortions EVER happen, I’ll join you on the barricades to end voluntary abortion.
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
11:25 pm
Bro won so leave the women alone now.
The gun bills will be your new memo.
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
11:26 pm
Until a law is changed (i.e., illegal immigration law) it should be respected and enforced ………. correct Brosephus ??
Ummm, just what do you think I do at work, Scout? Geez. Record deportations and you still think laws are not being enforced? The ideology is strong with you. You should learn how to think on your own.
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Towncrier: Code for a license to kill: “a woman’s right to privacy”. Let’s turn that around: why you and others want to permit the taking of life just because of YOUR morals is beyond me.
Let’s try this little exercise here. Answer a simple question for me. What is MY personal belief about abortion? Not what you THINK, but what I think? Answer that, and then we can get on to your “code” crap.
Cherokee
March 2nd, 2013
11:26 pm
“No ………. because they misinterpreted or ignored the clear teachings of the scriptures”
So the founders of the Southern Baptist Church misinterpreted Scripture,. but today’s Christians never do?
td
March 2nd, 2013
11:27 pm
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
11:23 pm
O.K. It’s suddenly gotten a little quiet on here. I think “SOME” (repeat SOME) libs. painted themselves in a corner tonight and have decided to excuse themselves.
Everyone who stays be nice ……………..
TAPS !
Some of these libs can not handle the debate when there is more then a couple conservatives on here blowing holes in their philosophy so they go away.
G Mare
March 2nd, 2013
11:27 pm
And as for you anti-choicers, My body, My choice. If you have a penis, you do not have the proverbial dog in this fight, so please shut up, go away, & take that government mandated vaginal probe with you!
Cherokee
March 2nd, 2013
11:29 pm
Or, td, perhaps, just perhaps, we have lives to lead, away from the AJC blogs….
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
11:30 pm
aq took your position on gay marriage.
Are you aiding the enemy?
Towncrier
March 2nd, 2013
11:30 pm
“Another poor example. The Father is molesting a CITIZEN of this country and breaking the law, of course it’s “our” business.”
The point went altogether over your head. A parent molesting his children is not wrong because it is illegal. Pedophilia has, IN FACT, been legal in human history. It was wrong then, even though it was legal. And it is wrong now and not because it is illegal. Abortion is not right because it is legal. It is permitted because it is legal. Likewise, computer generated child pornography is not right because it is legal. It is wrong because it violates the moral code and order established by God himself. If there is no God, then I am not sure that anything is really “wrong” in an absolute sense.
DoggoneGA
March 2nd, 2013
11:30 pm
“TAPS !”
Declare victory and leave. We are SO used to that!
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
11:30 pm
Some of these libs can not handle the debate when there is more then a couple conservatives on here blowing holes in their philosophy so they go away.
Yep, that’s why Scout called it quits instead of manning up and asking me my personal beliefs on whatever he chooses to debate instead of couching his answers as “some of you libs think”.
td
March 2nd, 2013
11:32 pm
DoggoneGA
March 2nd, 2013
11:24 pm
“If you don’t like the fact that God gave women sole control over their pregnancies, take it up with him. I’ve said it before: when you can prove to me that no spontaneous abortions EVER happen, I’ll join you on the barricades to end voluntary abortion.”
What in the h3ll does spontaneous abortion (nature or God terminating a pregnancy) have to do with intentional abortion (human taking a life)? Are you saying women should be looked at in the same light as God?
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
11:32 pm
Doggone
Don’t you get it??? It’s all about Christianity, nevermind the fact that this is not a theocratic country where Christianity is the official language. This is coming from people that associate with the same crowd that bleats the “creeping Sharia” stuff. Priceless!!!!!
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DoggoneGA
March 2nd, 2013
11:33 pm
“A parent molesting his children is not wrong because it is illegal – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=8#comment-1249535”
It is illegal. Whether or not *I* consider it immoral is beside the point. It is breaking the law. And it is against the law, not because it’s “immoral” but because it is a harmful to another citizen of this country.
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
11:33 pm
GMare, you old biddy. Your vagina your choice my ass. You can no more get preggers than I can lol.
Welcome back. You doing ok? Health good or at least getting better?
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
11:33 pm
The GOP’s anti-women extremism means that this seven election losing streak – in terms of women voters – is just cranking up.
And at this rate, I’m not certain that they will ever again be able to earn a majority of female voters in this country.
Which is awesome…
I had NO idea that Rundgren was on this song…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaUkTaIegLQ
DoggoneGA
March 2nd, 2013
11:35 pm
“What in the h3ll does spontaneous abortion (nature or God terminating a pregnancy) have to do with intentional abortion (human taking a life)? – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=8#sthash.Qcn8cGNr.dpuf”
If voluntary abortion is taking a human life, then so is spontaneous abortion. Either way, the pregnancy is ended
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
11:36 pm
I do not agree with abortion. It is against my religion. As such I will NEVER get an abortion. The rest of you can bite me.
bman.
March 2nd, 2013
11:36 pm
Doggone .. .. You’re up an hour later than usual. Hanging in there?
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
11:38 pm
I don’t think government should be in our bedrooms.
It is creepy so we should cut that.
bman.
March 2nd, 2013
11:39 pm
“I don’t think government should be in our bedrooms”
Unless there are guns in the bedrooms, right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_YTM_eAWnQ
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
11:39 pm
Fred
I’m still waiting on any one of these “conservatives” here to man up and actually ask me my beliefs instead of trying to paint my beliefs on me. All I’ve gotten so far is the customary “you libs think” crap, yet they haven’t conjured up the testicular fortitude to ask what my beliefs are. Hell, even bman and I traded a few posts on that very thing. If they were smart enough to actually read things for comprehension, they would already know my beliefs.
DoggoneGA
March 2nd, 2013
11:40 pm
“Doggone .. .. You’re up an hour later than usual. Hanging in there? – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=9#comment-1249542”
Yeah for a change. I wasn’t feeling well yesterday and I slept really late today, so now I’m having trouble getting sleepy. And if I go to bed and can’t get to sleep, I’ll just get mad and that will make it even harder to get sleepy. I’m constantly fighting the fact that my body seems to think that getting up early in the morning means getting up at 11:30 am!
td
March 2nd, 2013
11:40 pm
DoggoneGA
March 2nd, 2013
11:35 pm
God or nature takes human life everyday be it abortion or the end of life, human beings are not allowed to just take another human life.
Like I said earlier you think you are equal to God.
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
11:40 pm
Unless there are guns in the bedrooms, right?
Nope. If one is abiding by the law, then the government needs to leave them alone. Period.
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
11:41 pm
“Unless there are guns in the bedrooms, right?”
I am pro gun.
appleseed
March 2nd, 2013
11:41 pm
If a girl gets knocked up,knows the father,and decides to get an abortion.Does the father have any say in the decision to abort?Now if she decides to have the baby,does he have to provide support?
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
11:41 pm
Brocephus: Unless I’m VERY mistaken, your beliefs on abortion are the same as mine. With the same results. We probably share the same beliefs on the “gay issue.” I’ll ask you next time I see you lol.
DoggoneGA
March 2nd, 2013
11:43 pm
“God or nature takes human life everyday be it abortion or the end of life, human beings are not allowed to just take another human life. – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=9#comment-1249548”
And again, a foetus is not a human life.
“Like I said earlier you think you are equal to God. – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=9#comment-1249548”
Back at you. It’s not ME trying to force my religious beliefs on others.
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
11:43 pm
If a girl gets knocked up,knows the father,and decides to get an abortion.Does the father have any say in the decision to abort?Now if she decides to have the baby,does he have to provide support?
No and yes. Sucks don’t it? Get over it.It’s the law of the land. You won’t change it, so use a condom.
breckenridge
March 2nd, 2013
11:44 pm
“What in the h3ll does spontaneous abortion (nature or God terminating a pregnancy) have to do with intentional abortion (human taking a life)”
Oh boo hoo, intentional abortion is the taking of life…….that’s nothing but liberal clap-trap.
If you want to pay to raise the child of some half-baked 16 year old high school dropout from Appalachia or some big city ghetto, who has no way of ever possibly paying to raise a child themselves, knock yourself out. Start a charity, take up a collection. But leave taxpayer dollars out of it.
Tom Middleton
March 2nd, 2013
11:44 pm
I think it’s safe to say, Jay, that conservatives are only democratic when the money is flowing up to them, not down. Real (full-time) democracy belongs to the Dems, but then we already know that from our watching this last election!
moonbat betty
March 2nd, 2013
11:44 pm
So, what’s next?
Evolution?
j/k.
This is the first and last time I ever chime in on a abortion debate.
It’s always the SSDD…
Chicken Train
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSkN9m7kh9A
Towncrier
March 2nd, 2013
11:44 pm
“Let’s try this little exercise here. Answer a simple question for me. What is MY personal belief about abortion? Not what you THINK, but what I think? Answer that, and then we can get on to your “code” crap.”
Let’s not play guessing games. If you want to tell me what it is, then do so.
DoggoneGA
March 2nd, 2013
11:45 pm
“Does the father have any say in the decision to abort?”
No, if he wanted to woman involved to agree with him that the pregnancy should continue he should be more choosy in his partner.
“Now if she decides to have the baby,does he have to provide support? – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=9#comment-1249554”
Yes, he was equally responsible for the pregnancy existing. Why should he have the fun, but not the expense?
Look before I leap...
March 2nd, 2013
11:45 pm
Does anyone here think that it is a bit odd that those who post on this blog who are rabidly pro-gun are the same ones who are rabidly anti-abortion?
The idea of being able to own a gun to protect oneself (or one’s family) and therefore use deadly force to to do so indoicates that is possible to believe that human life is sacrosanct but only to a point. Then it follows that the idea that the justification for taking a life is only a matter of degree and perhaps perspective.
That we as a society can condemn, then put to death, some members who have legally been judged unfit to continue life within our midst but proclaim it is unjust to terminate a pregnancy, just boggles my mind.
We can decry the death of the innocent, but in the grand scheme, if one believes that the the afterlife is paradise and the innocent will be heralded and welcomed into heaven, is that not better than condemning that soul to a life on this mortal coil where they are unwanted, unwelcome and unloved?
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
11:46 pm
If a girl gets knocked up,knows the father,and decides to get an abortion.Does the father have any say in the decision to abort?
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/02/texas-teen-wins-right-to-give-birth-over-parents-objections/
moonbat betty
March 2nd, 2013
11:47 pm
“Unless there are guns in the bedrooms, right?”
bman, good point!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1XESnVLszs
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 2nd, 2013
11:47 pm
Yep, ever since Ronnie let the religious nutjobs into the inner sanctum, Eddie Meese and the sex police have been peeking into our bedrooms and keeping score.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaUkTaIegLQ
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
11:49 pm
Let’s not play guessing games. If you want to tell me what it is, then do so.
You’ve been playing this game all night. You have been telling me what I believe and then arguing against that. Not once have you actually asked. I’m simply asking you to be man enough to ask what I really believe. If you’re really interested in debating, then don’t you think you should know my actual beliefs instead of relying on this “you libs” or “you progressives” stuff? After all, we’re talking to each other and not talking to groups or about groups.
If you’re not man enough to ask what my beliefs are or find out what they are, then you’re obviously not man enough to engage in a serious and reasonable debate.
moonbat betty
March 2nd, 2013
11:49 pm
“Does anyone here think that it is a bit odd that those who post on this blog who are rabidly pro-gun are the same ones who are rabidly anti-abortion?”
Protection of the innocent and law-abiding.
Look before I leap...
March 2nd, 2013
11:49 pm
“Like I said earlier you think you are equal to God. – ”
Just as you would if you emptied a Glock into an intruder in your house.
Josef
March 2nd, 2013
11:50 pm
Breckenridge
@ 11:44
ESAD….you’re not worth the powder it’d take to blow you to hell.
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
11:51 pm
This is the first and last time I ever chime in on a abortion debate
Amen sister. You won’t ever change anyone’s mind and you will ALWAYS get sht from one side or the other. I won’t talk about it either except to close friends in a very casual setting.
getalife
March 2nd, 2013
11:52 pm
“Eddie Meese and the sex police have been peeking into our bedrooms and keeping score”
It is creepy and not freedom to choose.
I don’t want to know about other American’s sex life.
TMI.
Towncrier
March 2nd, 2013
11:52 pm
“That we as a society can condemn, then put to death, some members who have legally been judged unfit to continue life within our midst but proclaim it is unjust to terminate a pregnancy, just boggles my mind.”
Well, abortions are not problematic when the fetus pulls a knife on its mother. Those suckers need to be put down – plain and simple.
Just a thought there, buddy, but might it not have something to do with the culpability of the person being killed?
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
11:53 pm
Fred @ 11:51
Boy, do we have conversation material for the next get together or what?
Josef
March 2nd, 2013
11:53 pm
Moonbat
Evolution? Apparently it’s still a theory, judging from the slugs hereabouts…
Towncrier
March 2nd, 2013
11:54 pm
“I’m simply asking you to be man enough to ask what I really believe.”
I’ll bite: what are your beliefs respecting abortion?
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
11:54 pm
you tell him josef.
I still owe you that email of thanks lol. It will come……… I never forget those who stand by me.
DoggoneGA
March 2nd, 2013
11:55 pm
“ou won’t ever change anyone’s mind”
You don’t know that for sure. You might not change the mind of the people answering back, you will never know what effect you might be having on the people who come here and read but who never post.
Look before I leap...
March 2nd, 2013
11:55 pm
“Protection of the innocent and law-abiding.”
Protection of the innocent has some merit as an argument
Law-abiding – not so much.
If we (as in the state) execute someone, it is either revenge or deterrence.
In either case, it is taking a life.
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
11:57 pm
Boy, do we have conversation material for the next get together or what?
Yeah we do, but I gotta tell you, when it comes to junk in the trunk I am ALL white boy. I want the little ass…………….. me and brother O argue about that all the time. LOL I think I made him mad last time arguing about that although I don’t know why. We all “like” what we like…….
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
11:57 pm
That we as a society can condemn, then put to death, some members who have legally been judged unfit to continue life within our midst but proclaim it is unjust to terminate a pregnancy, just boggles my mind.
“All lives are equal, but some lives are more equal than others.”
–Thomas “Orwell” Jackson
Oscar
March 2nd, 2013
11:59 pm
Abortion and capital punishment are separate issues and have no connection to each other.
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 2nd, 2013
11:59 pm
I’ll bite: what are your beliefs respecting abortion?
Thank you.
I do not believe in abortion. If I help to create a child, I want to raise that child.
Towncrier
March 3rd, 2013
12:00 am
“I do not believe in abortion.”
Why?
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 3rd, 2013
12:03 am
Why?
Because, if God has granted me the opportunity to be a father, I take that as his will. My wife and I were married for 8 years with no kids or any hint at pregnancy. When God saw fit for us to be parents, we became parents. I didn’t question his judgement.
moonbat betty
March 3rd, 2013
12:03 am
“Evolution? Apparently it’s still a theory, judging from the slugs hereabouts…”
Well we could always skip to “global warming” then…
Look before I leap...
March 3rd, 2013
12:04 am
“Just a thought there, buddy, but might it not have something to do with the culpability of the person being killed?
Your post was amusing but you made my point for me.
Life is either sacred or it’s not. It’s right to kill in some cricumstances or its not
When you start to make exceptions to suit your personal view of the world, then it is open for others to make their own exceptions.
getalife
March 3rd, 2013
12:05 am
I found the women a little crazier in Georgia.
I had one that told me she was pregnant, decided to get abortion but took my money to buy drugs and was never pregnant.
I got played so I laughed and thought I just paid for sex.
G Mare
March 3rd, 2013
12:08 am
Hi, Fred. I see you are the same old woman hater you always were – must say I feel sorry for your mama & grandma. As for my health, it has been a long, slow recovery (well I am OLD, ya know). Thanks for asking, you young whippersnapper you!
Towncrier
March 3rd, 2013
12:09 am
“Because, if God has granted me the opportunity to be a father, I take that as his will.”
Okay. Do you think He approves of premarital, extra-marital or homosexual sex? Do you think He approves of people terminating pregnancies in any or all cases? If you think he does or does not, why?
moonbat betty
March 3rd, 2013
12:09 am
“I got played so I laughed and thought I just paid for sex.”
True – Was probably cheaper than dating her.
Fred ™
March 3rd, 2013
12:10 am
I believe in abortion. It happens every day, how can I NOT “believe” in it? Whether I am in favor of it or not is a different question. Whether or not my opinion matters or not is yet another question. And whether or not I condemn those who do not believe as I do is yet a third question. And whether or not I will EVER share with the folks here my EXPERIENCE with abortion is a fourth question.
I have a feeling Brocephus that you will get away with your 11:59 because there are few folks here lol. Otherwise, youwould be having folks put all KINDS of crap in your mouth because of that one simple statement. I know you. I know who you are. I know what you mean there. I know that others don’t and will read all kinds of sht into it. I also know you don’t care because you are a MAN. (Chest bump lol).
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 3rd, 2013
12:10 am
Towncrier
The reason I asked you that is because, the entire night you’ve been debating me as though I am advocating abortion. I am actually advocating freedom. It doesn’t matter whether the topic is abortion, gun control, or anything else. My position is that if our laws say it’s legal and you have the freedom to do so, then express your freedom.
I even made the point of explaining that as a means of personal responsibility, but that point flew right over the head of both Scout and td.
Look before I leap...
March 3rd, 2013
12:10 am
“Abortion and capital punishment are separate issues and have no connection to each other.”
If you are anti-abortion, both involved terminating a life – that is the connection.
getalife
March 3rd, 2013
12:12 am
“True – Was probably cheaper than dating her.”
She had tattoos on her back and I was hammered.
The sex was not that good so it was not worth it.
Fred ™
March 3rd, 2013
12:13 am
Hi, Fred. I see you are the same old woman hater you always were
Just damn. LAST time you said I was an old fart hater. Will you decide who it is I hate and give me a list so I can keep up dammit?
But all in all I’m glad that whether it’s a woman hater, or an OLD woman hater that I am, that you are still around to be hated on. If you need anything let me know.
Towncrier
March 3rd, 2013
12:14 am
“Your post was amusing but you made my point for me. Life is either sacred or it’s not. It’s right to kill in some cricumstances or its not.”
I think you are engaging in an either-or fallacy. Let’s go down the path you are leading us. Is human life the only life that is sacred? How about the life of a squirrel or fish? How about that of an ant? That of a one cell organism? What would you say?
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 3rd, 2013
12:14 am
Okay. Do you think He approves of premarital, extra-marital or homosexual sex? Do you think He approves of people terminating pregnancies in any or all cases? If you think he does or does not, why?
Yes to all. If he didn’t, he wouldn’t give us the free will to have the option to engage in such things or not. If nobody ever sinned, there would be no need to repent for anything, and one has to repent of their sins and accept God in order to be saved.
Does he give us the knowledge to know right from wrong? Yes he does. Not using that knowledge, however, does not automatically doom a person to eternal damnation as they can repent of their sins. If they are sincere in their asking for forgiveness, then forgiveness is given.
moonbat betty
March 3rd, 2013
12:14 am
Hi G Mare,
Hope you are gettin better every day:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oISIMqIBmaQ
appleseed
March 3rd, 2013
12:16 am
She tell you that you was the father?Took your money.bought drugs,and she was crazy.
bman.
March 3rd, 2013
12:16 am
“She had tattoos on her back and I was hammered.
The sex was not that good so it was not worth”
lol
Look before I leap...
March 3rd, 2013
12:17 am
“Okay. Do you think He approves of premarital, extra-marital or homosexual sex?”
Not gonna answer for Bro – but will weigh in with my opinion.
Yes, No, Yes
1. Marriage is a pretty recent societal construct. Humans were walking and making babies LONG before the idea of marriage ever was conceived.
2.Only because when you marry, you take a vow (usually) to forsake all others. I think God expects people to honor their promises.
3. I don’t think God intended gay people to be miserable and miss out on one His greatest gifts.
Fred ™
March 3rd, 2013
12:17 am
<i.If you are anti-abortion, both involved terminating a life – that is the connection.
That’s pretty weak chief. I don’t support murder but if I come in and find you raping my 10 year old daughter I WILL kill you or die trying.
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 3rd, 2013
12:18 am
I know that others don’t and will read all kinds of sht into it. I also know you don’t care because you are a MAN. (Chest bump lol).
You know me so well!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg
Those are my personal beliefs. That said, I don’t have the right to force my beliefs on anybody who does not share them. That’s the good thing about being American. We actually have the freedom to NOT have to believe the same stuff all the time.
DoggoneGA
March 3rd, 2013
12:18 am
Bro “Does he give us the knowledge to know right from wrong? – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=9#comment-1249576”
I would make a different argument. I would say that he gives us the ABILITY to know right from wrong, but we have to get the knowledge of WHAT is right and wrong from the society around us, to start. But ultimately, it is up to each of us to decide what we view as right and wrong. Then, if we are deeply at odds with our society, it is up to the society to determine if we are “off” enough that society needs to be protected from us.
getalife
March 3rd, 2013
12:21 am
“She tell you that you was the father?Took your money.bought drugs,and she was crazy ”
She lied about being pregnant to get the money.
Fred ™
March 3rd, 2013
12:23 am
Bro!!!!!!!!!!!! I love the honey badger video. I have posted that a million times at 2 million places lol. Believe it or not but the first time I saw that video it had less that 200 hits.
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 3rd, 2013
12:24 am
Doggone
I can accept that argument. It might not change my belief system, but I can see the logic behind it. The reason being that it isn’t always society that teaches us right from wrong. You could be alone in the woods with no contact with anybody and learn not to put your hand in fire. I know that’s not quite germane to the conversation, but just an example that doesn’t rely on society teaching or determining things. Some things are left to nature.
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 3rd, 2013
12:25 am
Fred
His other videos are a hoot too…
Fred ™
March 3rd, 2013
12:28 am
But ultimately, it is up to each of us to decide what we view as right and wrong. Then, if we are deeply at odds with our society, it is up to the society to determine if we are “off” enough that society needs to be protected from us.
That is a VERY deep thought and I need to ponder upon it before I can comment on it. I’m talking Marianas Trench deep. I’m not kidding. I think that is the most thought provoking thing I have ever read. It is the point where morals, religion, civil liberties, and rational thought all collide.
Wow.
Fred ™
March 3rd, 2013
12:29 am
I’m out. Y’all be chilly. Someone get Gmare’s dialup working faster lol.
Look before I leap...
March 3rd, 2013
12:29 am
@TC
Well you hit the nail on the head there, the question of sanctity of life is an “either or fallacy”.
Human survival depends on the sacrifice of life, for sustenance, for protection, for a variety of reasons.
The question therefore is, what constitutes “human survival”? That answer gets murky in a hurry.
Towncrier
March 3rd, 2013
12:30 am
“The reason I asked you that is because, the entire night you’ve been debating me as though I am advocating abortion. I am actually advocating freedom. It doesn’t matter whether the topic is abortion, gun control, or anything else. My position is that if our laws say it’s legal and you have the freedom to do so, then express your freedom. I even made the point of explaining that as a means of personal responsibility, but that point flew right over the head of both Scout and td.”
Alright, thanks for sharing your views. I can’t speak fro Scout or td, but I can say for myself that I don’t understand how someone who wants to be a Christian would ever advocate for things that God would disapprove of. That’s why I was pressing you with further questions. I can understand having to accept laws that have been enacted despite God’s wishes or one’s own, but not ever condoning them in one’s heart. Thus, I think that those who murder “abortion doctors” in the name of God are really doing the will of Satan. But I think anyone who advocates for (instead of speaking against) an abortion law (if they believe it is contrary to God’s wishes) is likewise doing the will of Satan: “He who is not for me is against me”.
The reason I don’t think abortion is generally in the wishes of God is because 1) many are the result of what He would deem immoral sexual activity 2) He views children as a blessing from Him and married couples should not despise a pregnancy and 3) pregnancies can easily be avoided by inexpensive means of contraception.
The fact is, sex is but icing on the cake of what should be a wonderful and intimate relationship. But in America and other Western countries, it is sold as almost the reason for living. And so we have all of these problems now related to sex.
DoggoneGA
March 3rd, 2013
12:31 am
“he reason being that it isn’t always society that teaches us right from wrong. You could be alone in the woods with no contact with anybody and learn not to put your hand in fire. – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=9#comment-1249604”
Well, I would differentiate between what is physically wrong and what is morally wrong. Being alone in the woods you have no need for “morals” because there is only you. So you would learn physical wrongs from rights, but not moral ones.
But if you come in contact with others, then you better learn moral rights from wrongs pretty quick or their society will make sure you know what the punishments are for not knowing!
Look before I leap...
March 3rd, 2013
12:36 am
“That’s pretty weak chief. I don’t support murder but if I come in and find you raping my 10 year old daughter I WILL kill you or die trying.”
And I’d do the same Fred.
And I think most anyone who committed such an act would expect such an outcome if discovered.
To take it one step further, if I missed the chance to kill your ass in such a situation, I’d make it my life’s work to see that you died while I still was able to draw breath.
DoggoneGA
March 3rd, 2013
12:36 am
“I think that is the most thought provoking thing I have ever read – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=9#comment-1249613”
Thanks Fred. It took me a long time to come to that. For instance, I no longer think of jail terms or even execution as punishment for crimes. Especially for horrific crimes. It’s not possible for us to adequately punish someone for a horrific crime without doing something equally horrific. But we CAN protect society from such criminals by locking them up.
My concept of Christianity leads me to be against the death penalty, because I view it as depriving the criminal of the chance to truly repent his crime…but at the same time, I understand that sometimes society simply says that a person can be so horrible that the only way to be sure we are protected from them is to put them to death.
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 3rd, 2013
12:37 am
I can say for myself that I don’t understand how someone who wants to be a Christian would ever advocate for things that God would disapprove of.
So, you don’t think God would want us to have the ability to think and reason for ourselves? He’s given us the things that he approves and disapproves of, but it is up to us to determine our path to righteousness. If things were pre-ordained, we wouldn’t have to deal with any negative or bad things as they would all be right and good.
I can see your points, and I have no problem with them, as they are your views. My whole reason for taking this road in the debate was to show that not everybody who’s pro-choice is pro-abortion. People get the two confused when they are not one and the same.
My belief on religion is that it’s a personal relationship between the believer and God. Nothing I can say, think, or believe will have an impact on a person’s beliefs. I can give information and/or direction, but if the person doesn’t believe as I do, I can’t make them do so. That’s why I think God gave us the ability to think and reason for ourselves.
Gotta run for the night, but I’ll say that you’re much easier to talk with when you’re not spoiling for a fight.
Brosephus™ - If do right, no can defense
March 3rd, 2013
12:39 am
Doggone
Gotcha loud and clear!!! I’m gonna think long and deep on that one. Like Fred, I think you’ve hit on something that I haven’t contemplated that deeply.
bman.
March 3rd, 2013
12:41 am
I’m 126.5% for the death penalty.
DoggoneGA
March 3rd, 2013
12:41 am
Thanks Bro! And I’m out too, finally getting sleepy.
Towncrier
March 3rd, 2013
12:44 am
“Yes to all. If he didn’t, he wouldn’t give us the free will to have the option to engage in such things or not.”
I will agree that He approves of us having free will but not that we use it for evil. So I don’t think He “approves” of the things I asked you about, but that He allows us to do them if we wish.
“If nobody ever sinned, there would be no need to repent for anything, and one has to repent of their sins and accept God in order to be saved.”
He doesn’t want us to sin at all. But, because of our sinful natures, we do. But once we are saved, we should be striving the rest of our lives not to sin. Grace is not a license for sin. I generally strive to not sin except in coming here. My intentions are good – to persuade people to repent but my methods are not at all. In fact, I am simply unable to refrain from sinning by impugning people’s intelligence or their character when I come here. This place is a mud wrestling pit. So in a little while I think I will need to give up on political blogging altogether (”If your eye causes you to sin…”).
“Does he give us the knowledge to know right from wrong? Yes he does. Not using that knowledge, however, does not automatically doom a person to eternal damnation as they can repent of their sins. If they are sincere in their asking for forgiveness, then forgiveness is given.”
The great thing is that if one is alive, one can repent. But repentance is not asking for forgiveness (though that winds up being part of it), but in changing one’s mind (that is what the word means in Greek) and, as a result, changing one’s behavior. It is not being sorry (though it can involve that and often does). It is being like Scrooge in A Christmas Carol. He saw the light, changed his mind about things and became a wonderful person.
St Simons - he-ne-ha
March 3rd, 2013
12:50 am
These highly principled cons should overturn Roe v Wade,
so my 3 yr old can ask me in 5 yrs “Daddy what was a Republican?”
Look before I leap...
March 3rd, 2013
12:53 am
@TC 12:30
You make reasoned arguments.
And in general I agree with much of what you say – but…
Much of that is predicated on how you ( and I and ..well…everyone else) perceives God and His will.
My relationship with God is (for reasons I won’t go into right now) very complicated.
There is an inherent paradox between the concept of free-will and the concept of destiny.
Towncrier
March 3rd, 2013
12:58 am
“So, you don’t think God would want us to have the ability to think and reason for ourselves? He’s given us the things that he approves and disapproves of, but it is up to us to determine our path to righteousness. If things were pre-ordained, we wouldn’t have to deal with any negative or bad things as they would all be right and good.”
He does want us to reason for ourselves. But I think the difference between you (as well as a lot of “religious” people here) and me is that I take the Bible very seriously. Probably unlike many here, I think it is inerrant and inspired by the Holy Spirit. The Bible clearly condemns homosexuality. I therefore cannot advocate for gay marriage or gay rights generally. I may not be able to stop laws granting gay rights being passed, but at least I spoke out against them. The same with abortion, pornography, adultery and so on. It would be morally wrong for me to advocate for such laws permitting these things, in my view. There is not much else I can do apart from voting and contacting those in Congress. So I try to persuade others to consider things differently. But here people are pretty hardened in their views.
Towncrier
March 3rd, 2013
1:03 am
Dang! It’s late. I gots to git. Goodnight all.
Look before I leap...
March 3rd, 2013
1:12 am
“and me is that I take the Bible very seriously”
And that may be part of the problem.
First – try reading the Bible in Latin – which I have done.
Then think that much of it existed in Greek, Assyrian, Aramaic, Ancient Hebrew and a whole host of other languages prior to that, then it was translated into Old English and now in many forms, Modern English.
THAT is the Bible you know. Through the years and the translations and the influence of society at any given point, it has been edited and corrupted. It is NOT as you say inerrant.
G Mare
March 3rd, 2013
1:44 am
Yo, Fred, dial up? That is SO last century….
Orange13
March 3rd, 2013
6:37 am
Well, this is going to be three times I lose money since this guy has been in office. Thanks Obama!
Fred ™
March 3rd, 2013
7:11 am
Well, this is going to be three times I lose money since this guy has been in office. Thanks Obama!
You need to take responsibility for your own actions. But since I know you Republicans need to have someone else do everything for you I’ll help you out.
http://www.ncpgambling.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=1
Orange13
March 3rd, 2013
7:24 am
“You need to take responsibility for your own actions”
Pretty lame retort Fred. Political party doesn’t come in to play on this subject. I feel confident there are many people who vote the Democratic ticket that feel the same way I do. If money was being taken out of welfare checks there would be an uproar like this country has never heard before.
Orange13
March 3rd, 2013
7:28 am
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
When this reverses itself, then and only then will I think Obama is sticking it to the taxpayer with good reason.
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 3rd, 2013
7:44 am
Dread Scott?
Hysterical.
For the worst in today’s Segregation Party that landmark legislation that overturned separate but equal probably is dreaded!
After all, which organization has a 2% black membership, is comprised of men who are highly xenophobic, negrophobic, homophobic, misogynistic and intolerant of other faiths and cultures? Which organization is essentially a whites only, Christians only gang whose great strength in numbers and power lies in the Deep South?
The comparisons are uncanny as to which other infamous organization that sounds like, huh?
The stark and ugly reality is that this gang is not THAT far removed from that other one. And it shows up in their words and policies.
Things that make you go hmmmmm on a Sunday morning….
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 3rd, 2013
7:56 am
Excuse me, in my last, I conflated Dred Scott with Topeka v. Board of Education. (And similarities to bloggers who know what they are writing about is purely coincidental!)
Don Abernethy
March 3rd, 2013
7:57 am
American writers are probably the best at taking a lie and twisting it into sounding like the truth.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think
March 3rd, 2013
8:17 am
Good, good Sunday morning to all y’all
I see the night crew ran the gambit from religion through abortion. Good subjects both. I also saw where a blogger said it was the gun nuts who were so anti abortion, or something like that. I’ve often wondered about that particular mind set too.
One blogger asked about a minor girl getting pregnant and if her father could force an abortion. Texas said no on that one I think was the conclusion, but this brings up a personal story.
I’ve said this before here and some will remember, but bear with me. When my daughter was a Senior in high school, she got pregnant. Long story short, I said no to an abortion. Being pro choice, I bet you wondered why I would take such a stand. The truth is, there is an old Chinese Proverb, that basically says if you save a life, you are responsible for that life the rest of its life. I figured that I would always be around to help raise the child, so I accepted that responsibility. Time and tides, as they say, passed on and I lost contact with my daughter and her son and therefore I forfeited my responsibility. The child is in jail now for raping two, an possibility more, minor children. I feel absolutely responsible for the pain those children suffered because, 1. I didn’t allow there wishes of all concerned and let the abortion happen, and 2. neglected my duty to the child in question. I never should have let my daughter leave my sphere of influence without keeping the boy with me.
I explain all of this because, while most of you anti abortion types want to “save the child”, you don’t want the responsibility that goes with it. You do not supply any aid and comfort to the mother and child, produce no programs to educate it, or to keep it healthy and provide a loving stable home life for it. You just see that it is born and send it on its way. No responsibility….and if you ever noticed, you are dismayed when that child ends up being a felon. It’s your highly emotional, without thought, knee jerk reaction to the word abortion and all it means that drive you. That is all.
I believe in Karma too, and you “Pro Lifer’s” have a lot to make up for. If you are really pro life then you are against everything related to death. Wars, executions, and death by any other means than natural. You should be for stem cell research and all of the other life saving and prolonging programs out there, but as far as the kids are concerned, you should be demanding the State and Federal Government to provide assistance for that unaborted child so that it can take its place in society as a boon and not a burden. But you do not. I wonder why, I really do.
Liberal Pariah
March 3rd, 2013
8:30 am
Corbin, what about the responsibility involved in not getting pregnant with a child that you don’t want? You stated the problem was not anti-abortion types but how the people around the child handled the situation. Can’t blame that on us.
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 3rd, 2013
8:30 am
Corbin, god bless you. Your sharing that pain makes us all stronger.
Keith, Charlie, Bill and two Micks…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lNP-x94-SE&feature=player_embedded
GT
March 3rd, 2013
8:31 am
Seems to me that both parties want these cuts and are looking for political coverage. O as usual is cleverer, he has no reelection, and the guys in Congress will take most of the heat.
I think the state of Georgia is ripe for more moderate leadership. Between this and the Medicare that Deal denied the state, we have got something to put our teeth into. Of course the right can say you are suffering for a cause, the private sector has to suffer to fix this country, but that is not a good staging area. The public does not like to suffer, black or white. And if they do the goal for suffering better be obtainable which in this state is very questionable.
Welcome to the Occupation
March 3rd, 2013
8:36 am
GT : “Seems to me that both parties want these cuts and are looking for political coverage”
And you would be correct! Points to you, GT, for the correct answer.
indigo
March 3rd, 2013
8:40 am
Corbin – 8:17
These types you are describing are great at “how do I know, the Bible tells me so” and “it’s my Constitutional right to own a gun” thinking.
However, when it’s time to take full responsibility for this kind of thinking, morally and financially, the excuses will come pouring out like water over Niagra Falls.
Not surprisingly, almost all of them are fundamentalist Christians.
GT
March 3rd, 2013
8:45 am
I would have loved to be a fly on the wall for that Friday meeting at the White House. I wonder if the subject even came up.
Stevie Ray
March 3rd, 2013
8:49 am
I wonder how the janitors feel about being used as one of a series of BO’s scare tactics..
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/sequester-spin-obamas-incorrect-claim-of-capitol-janitors-receiving-a-pay-cut/2013/03/01/3407535c-82a9-11e2-b99e-6baf4ebe42df_blog.html
Rightwing troll
March 3rd, 2013
8:53 am
“0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
10:44 pm
“THEY want to dictate what the woman does.”
You mean like when “they” (the government) sent thousands of men to their deaths against their will ?”
Scout finally speaks out against W’s war of choice based his lies?
Stevie Ray
March 3rd, 2013
8:53 am
WOW, BO is racking up the Pinocchios!
Meals on Wheels
Pink Slips for Teachers
Aforementioned Janitors
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker
kayaker 71
March 3rd, 2013
8:54 am
Stevie Ray, 8:49,
Just another Bozo lie. Does this clown know how to do anything else?
Welcome to the Occupation
March 3rd, 2013
8:56 am
Stevie Ray: “racking up the Pinocchios!
Meals on Wheels
Pink Slips for Teachers
Aforementioned Janitors”
That’s some pretty small-bore stuff, no, Stevie Ray?
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think
March 3rd, 2013
8:56 am
Liberal,
While I consider your question off topic, I will tell you this. If I had known my daughter was sexually active at the time, I would have provided her with all the contraceptives she would have ever needed. No ands, ifs, or buts. That would have been my duty as a parent.
Rightwing troll
March 3rd, 2013
8:59 am
So for the last 4 years we’ve lived on a steady stream of fantastical lies, and right wing histrionics about that uppity man in the whitehouse, but now he’s out of line for indulging in a little of the same over the sequester?
You lying wingnuts REALLY have no sense of shame do you?
Stevie Ray
March 3rd, 2013
9:00 am
Rightwing troll
March 3rd, 2013
8:53 am
The idea that anyone feels the moral superiority to tell a woman what to do with her body is asinine. Women are best to make decisions for themselves.
Also, the incessant suggestions about Bush’s push into Iraq should be caveated with the fact that many on the left including Bill Clinton, were convinced said weapons existed as well based on same intel….In retrospect, I have hard time laying Iraq debacle exclusively on Bush et al. He certainly does get my anger by not withdrawing as soon as intel was proven wrong. The data was bad for a long time for simple reasons…
When all is said and done, Iraq will return to it’s previously corrupt self as Afghanistan is already doing. What a waste of our troops, cash and goodwill. If fact, we haven’t lost a life since WWII that was lost for meaningful purposes…IMO
Stevie Ray
March 3rd, 2013
9:03 am
Rightwing troll
March 3rd, 2013
8:59 am
The point of this forum is certainly not to exhibit shame…if so, all sides are more guilty than not. What is unfair about challenging the president on his dishonest, disingenuous, and underhanded efforts to sway opinion regardless of facts? Should your particular detractors forgive this dishonest behavior?
Stevie Ray
March 3rd, 2013
9:05 am
Welcome to the Occupation
March 3rd, 2013
8:56 am
Predictably, outside of his beige appearance, he is clearly no better of worse than those before him…I think that’s what happens when the incentives are completed opposed to doing what is right for all of us.
Bush, Obama…your face, your arse…any real difference?:-)
Brosephus™ - Very good, but brick not hit back
March 3rd, 2013
9:09 am
what about the responsibility involved in not getting pregnant with a child that you don’t want?
So, how long have you been celibate, or do you just call it practice for making kids?
Rightwing troll
March 3rd, 2013
9:10 am
Well gosh! Using this particular subterfuge we can say that many on the right accepted the sequester… The big diff here is the rightwing acceptance of the sequester was not based on a pack of institutionalized lies and fabrications.
Jm
March 3rd, 2013
9:10 am
David Gregory doesn’t get it
There will be no more tax increases
kayaker 71
March 3rd, 2013
9:12 am
Perhaps all of you liberal sheep are satisfied with all of the lies that this presidential imposter throws around with abandon. He’s lying to you the same as he is lying to me. Doesn’t this bother you? Are you so ideologically smitten by this arrogant narcissist that even your dignity and self respect are in the bucket? It has nothing to do with his race….. a black man can lie about as effectively as a white one. This doomsday scenario that Bozo put out a few days ago is mostly lies, conjured up to make the electorate feel that they have to blame someone for their supposed plight in life because of cutting 85B dollars from an already bloated budget. He knows that they are lies. That’s the worst part. He knows.
Jm
March 3rd, 2013
9:17 am
Great job by John Boehner
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think
March 3rd, 2013
9:17 am
Kayaker,
I don’t get you. President Obama said it wasn’t going to happen all at once. Wait until April, and we will talk about lies then. You just have to get over this fear you have for President Obama, it’s bad for your mental health. Give it a rest, sir…you will feel better.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think
March 3rd, 2013
9:20 am
Luckovich nails it again…go see…
Jm
March 3rd, 2013
9:23 am
Spelrling: goalposts are for moving
Stevie Ray
March 3rd, 2013
9:29 am
Brosephus™ – Very good, but brick not hit back
March 3rd, 2013
9:09 am
Not sure if you saw it yesterday but I wanted again to clarify that my comments about sleepless nights had nothing to do with the topic or your corresponding commentary. Simple pointing out that sleepless nights make me ornery….not suggesting any of our posts resembled ornery.
Cherokee
March 3rd, 2013
9:29 am
Interesting interview in Salon this morning.
http://www.salon.com/2013/03/03/in_the_real_world_we_were_kidding_ourselves/
Newt makes the point that Republicans have to offer ideas to make the country better, not just be the anti-Obama party.
I always think of that when i see some of the oh-so-clever comments about “Obozo.”
You’re just not going to win people to your point of view with your sophomoric insults.
Stevie Ray
March 3rd, 2013
9:34 am
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am…I think
March 3rd, 2013
9:17 am
It’s a sad state of affairs when political incentive exists for scoring political points via anguish of all of us. Whatever pain any of this truly causes that are not justified by waste, is regrettable. but it seems thus far, many of BO’s childish scare tactics are being exposed as, to say the very least, based on bogus interpretation of whatever research they actually conducted.
Of course it doesn’t have to be this way. $85 billion is no big deal if BO spreads to include waste he already identified in entitlements and allowing department heads and employees the chance to identify simple waste. Anyone thinking that 10-15% or more of our tax dollars (used primarily as leverage for more borrowing) are not wasted is in denial…
Brosephus™ - Very good, but brick not hit back
March 3rd, 2013
9:39 am
Stevie Ray
I saw that and meant to respond. My post was only because you referenced a timed post that I made. Usually, such action indicates a response to that particular post. I misread your post then. It was my mistake l
Welcome to the Occupation
March 3rd, 2013
9:39 am
Stevie Ray: “Predictably, outside of his beige appearance, he is clearly no better of worse than those before him…I think that’s what happens when the incentives are completed opposed to doing what is right for all of us.”
That’s basically correct in my view, and that’s what I come on here day in and day out arguing just that. The rot in this system is entirely systemic, not simply a matter of one party or the other — like Jay Bookman implies — .or even one individual — as many a Obama liberal supporter wants to believe.
Barack Obama in his very person embodies the disease of our political life, just as George W. Bush did before him, and just as whoever succeeds Obama will.
Which is not, mind you, the same thing as to yield to an absolute fatalism, since this dynamic can always change, as for example we saw fundamental change when our greatest presidents (and we’ve only had two great ones: Lincoln and Roosevelt) stepped up. But they did it by recognizing that radical times call for embracing radicalism, not fleeing from it, an insight that the current president has nothing but contempt for, thus the crisis continues to fester and escalate.
Stevie Ray
March 3rd, 2013
9:40 am
Cherokee
March 3rd, 2013
9:29 am
GOP are certainly sophomoric. That being said, what about all the BS scare tactics used by your guy?
That is more freshman game than sophomoric…meanwhile his supporters seem to want all his allegations to be proved true simply to prove a point and provide futher fodder for supporters to think of new creative nouns and adjectives to repeat what generally compromises this and other forums…that the GOP are the root of all evils..
Stevie Ray
March 3rd, 2013
9:41 am
Welcome to the Occupation
March 3rd, 2013
9:39 am
Right on…
Stevie Ray
March 3rd, 2013
9:42 am
BRO
No big…I was vague.
Now that that is over with…your views remain generally all wrong..:-)
Cherokee
March 3rd, 2013
9:46 am
Nah Stevie I didn’t say the GOP are sophomoric – just people who think they’re clever by slurring a guy who, like it or not, is President of the United States.
I haven’t seen you do that. As far as I know you haven’t called him Obozo, Oblamo, or any of the other childish slurs that get tossed around.
As to BS scare tactics? I don’t agree – I think that if you take $85 billion dollars that you planned to spend, and don’t spend it, there is obviously going to be some pain somewhere. Even if the spending is cut from what you would call ‘waste’, someone is going to lose a job. Someone is going to have less income than they would have otherwise.
And all that together, accumulated, will have an effect on the economy.
Rightwing troll
March 3rd, 2013
9:48 am
Had you expressed any sort of outrage or indignation over W’s 8 year long spree of lies, spending, and disaster, your current feigned indignation might have a shred of credibility Yakker…
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think
March 3rd, 2013
9:48 am
Stevie Ray,
I don’t believe President Obama is not using scare tactics. I believe he is pointing out how it will be in the coming months. That said, President Obama has offered entitlement reform to go with his desire to get rid of tax loopholes for the rich. Nobody, wealthy or otherwise needs tax breaks on private yachts or air planes. Record profit companies, like the oil industries do not need subsidies, and neither does agriculture industries. When the GOP starts to say OK to those things, then I will believe they are serious. President Obama campaigned on no Social Service cuts without revenue increases, and he’s keeping his promise.
Brosephus™ - Very good, but brick not hit back
March 3rd, 2013
9:53 am
Stevie Ray @ 9:42
Considering you stated that you don’t consider yourself an intellectual, I’d have to say that your judgement is based on faulty analysis.
YouLibs
March 3rd, 2013
10:00 am
cherokee
from your link @ 9:29
“First, there was a belief in economic determinism, that you couldn’t have that level of unemployment and have a president get re-elected. So people just sort of had a bias that as long as the economy stayed bad, he would lose”
Newt provides more evidence that the republicans used the entire population as pawns in their struggle to regain power. Any fool who isn’t wearing right-wing noise machine blinders could see that all of their policies of the past four years were designed to stall the recovery so they could retake the White House.
The right-wing has become a cancer on our collective political body.
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 3rd, 2013
10:06 am
The dramatic and relatively sudden meltdown of the GOP has certainly been interesting, but It will be even bigger fun watching the unfolding Cannibalfest between the Rove Wing and the equally delusional Tea Stained Wing of the Segregationist Party.
Given that they unapologetically want to neuter Uncle Sam, our federal republic and our system of laws, maybe secession is their best option…
Doggone/GA
March 3rd, 2013
10:13 am
“what about the responsibility involved in not getting pregnant with a child that you don’t want? – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=10#sthash.oy6Q3r4M.dpuf”
Your responsibilities AND chioces change when your circumstances change
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 3rd, 2013
10:20 am
The other day i saw a C-130 flying overhead and chuckled at the memories of sitting in a jump seat, cold, tired and beyond fedup with the insane roar of the props on a seven hour flight.
But it struck me as how different Uncle Sam runs things vs. the free market, which just cant seem to do anything right.
To wit, that airplane was introduced in 1956 and still does yeoman’s work for us fifty seven years later!
Versus the morons who designed and built the stadium downtown. Twenty years old and it isn’t up to snuff anymore???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk83c7tpLUQ
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 3rd, 2013
10:38 am
Kayaker 71:
“Are you so ideologically smitten by this arrogant narcissist that even your dignity and self respect are in the bucket? ”
Why ……… yes they are.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 3rd, 2013
10:40 am
They call me MISTER JamVet. :
I didn’t know Lockheed was “Uncle Sam” ?
BTW ……. saw a B-17 fly over yesterday ………. what a distinctive sound. I think it had just taken off from Peachtree Dekalb.
Thomas
March 3rd, 2013
10:43 am
Yeah- Apple and IBM don’t hold a candle to the efficiency of ol’ Uncle Sam. Let’s fold it all in and call it a day.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 3rd, 2013
10:49 am
“The U.S. Department of Homeland Security has customized its Predator drones, originally built for overseas military operations, to carry out at-home surveillance tasks that have civil libertarians worried: identifying civilians carrying guns and tracking their cell phones, government documents show.”
In addition to the DNA case they are now considering, this will be the next big SCOTUS decision re: searches.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57572207-38/dhs-built-domestic-surveillance-tech-into-predator-drones/
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 3rd, 2013
10:50 am
The paying customer is Uncle Sam. He forces the company to get it right. He demands compliance with the specs, performances, MTBFs, all of it.
And even then, the private enterprises steal from him as often as they can with virtual impunity. (You neocons have ensured that Uncle Sugar is a terrible landlord and protector of the people’s assets, rights and remedies.)
Wake up. Our government of the people, by the people and for the people is not your enemy.
And though you worship them, IBM and Apple are not our masters, they are our servants. (Or used to be…)
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 3rd, 2013
10:50 am
Thomas:
To my knowledge “Uncle Sam” doesn’t have a factory anywhere except maybe the Bureau of Ingraving and Printing and they don’t make the machines that are used there.
The government is a service industry.
Brosephus™ - Very good, but brick not hit back
March 3rd, 2013
10:53 am
Apple and IBM don’t hold a candle to the efficiency of ol’ Uncle Sam.
Efficiency does not automatically equal effective. When Apple and/or IBM get more than 225 years of continued operation under its belt, then they could compare themselves to the effectiveness of Uncle Sam.
Brosephus™ - Very good, but brick not hit back
March 3rd, 2013
10:56 am
Scout @ 10:49
Does that put you on record as being against DHS/CBP using unmanned drones to detect people illegally crossing our borders?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 3rd, 2013
10:58 am
1) “But it struck me as how different Uncle Sam runs things vs. the free market, which just cant seem to do anything right.”
2) “The paying customer is Uncle Sam.”
I see:
The business is Lockheed and the paying customer is Uncle Sam.
Thank you.
3) Wipe egg off face.
YouLibs
March 3rd, 2013
11:01 am
Does this Bureau of Ingraving license undertakers or something? Not familiar with them.
(Too weak, personally, to just walk away from that one, heh)
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 3rd, 2013
11:01 am
Bro:
“Does that put you on record as being against DHS/CBP using unmanned drones to detect people illegally crossing our borders?”
I simply mentioned that it would be an important SCOTUS case.
“In addition to the DNA case they are now considering, this will be the next big SCOTUS decision re: searches.”
How does that put me on record as to an opinion one way or the other about the legality of such an endeavor ?
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 3rd, 2013
11:06 am
Ah yes, IBM, Big Blue. The company that not only coddled the Nazis they actually assisted them in tracking the people slaughtered at Dachau and elsewhere.
Great example there, Tom.
Corporal, and weren’t you a longtime union thug member of that “service industry”?
Step One: Admit that you cannot control your addiction or compulsion for self-hate and hatred of our government.
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 3rd, 2013
11:09 am
BTW, how was church today, corporal? Lots of smiling (White only) faces there this morning? What was the sermon about? The US Government is the anti-Christ?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 3rd, 2013
11:11 am
“Corporal, and weren’t you a longtime union thug member of that “service industry”?”
A couple of points:
1) Yes, I was a member of one military and three different law enforcement agencies.
2) Regarding the military one we didn’t “make” anything ………. we destroyed things.
3) Regarding the law enforcement ones we didn’t “make” anything ……… we served.
4) In none of those were we allowed under federal law to unionize ………. thankfully so.
NEXT ?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 3rd, 2013
11:12 am
“BTW, how was church today, corporal? Lots of smiling (White only) faces there this morning? What was the sermon about? The US Government is the anti-Christ?”
Wow ! Lots of bitterness and hate in that one.
Sad …….. very sad.
Brosephus™ - Very good, but brick not hit back
March 3rd, 2013
11:14 am
Simply asked questions. I like to know things as opposed to relying on assumptions.
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 3rd, 2013
11:15 am
So you were basically one of those useless, lazy, overpaid, incompetent, lifelong, mooching government workers.
Just wanted you to get real clear about that.
Step Two: Examining past errors with the help of a sponsor (experienced member)
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 3rd, 2013
11:18 am
They call me MISTER JamVet. :
Thanks for the exchange.
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 3rd, 2013
11:21 am
Corporal, you really are the PERFECT neocon.
You took all of those paychecks and all of those benefits for decades on end and then you berate, belittle and condemn the organization that provided you your livelihood.
Classic…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 3rd, 2013
11:26 am
Bro:
“Simply asked questions. I like to know things as opposed to relying on assumptions.”
No ………. you didn’t read my response carefully.
That said, I am off to the dog park but will leave you with this and we can discuss later this afternoon.
1) Regarding the DNA thing, I support a favorable law enforcement ruling on that. To me, modern day DNA identification is nothing more than the earlier “photograph” (when that’s all they had) or later fingerprints. In the future it may be something else like the “iris” identification.
2) Regarding the Drone situtation that is going to be very complicated and just one court ruling won’t do it.
For example:
Was the rifle being carried already in “plain view” but the drone coverage enabled more “eyes” ?
Was the handgun being carried concealed and therefore not in plain view?
Was said handgun discovered outside a secure perimeter (in a lawful area) or inside a secure perimeter (an unlawful area)?
These are all sticky wickets that the courts will have to decide and as you know it will take years and years and get more and more specific.
I will say in closing that I have no problem with drones on the border detecting anyone trying to cross our borders illegally as they are not citizens.
Check your responses later.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 3rd, 2013
11:36 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARKNTDuNmk8
td
March 3rd, 2013
12:01 pm
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am…I think
March 3rd, 2013
8:17 am
So in other words, you are trying throw your pain on others because you were not responsible two times. Once in not raising your daughter correctly and that sin made her not raise her son correctly. And the second for not taken the second chance you were given and raising your grandson correctly.
Those are your responsibilities and you much live with the guilt of your actions. We have all made mistakes and make them everyday. The difference is do we take responsibility for our mistakes and strive to make sure they are not repeated in the future.
The problem with the left in the debate on abortion and life in general is that they do not want to accept responsibility for their actions, for their lack of planing for the future and want the government (all the people) to bail them out for the choice they make.
Instead of blaming the nation for the mistakes you made your message would have a far greater impact and be much more powerful if you turned it into the message of what not to do as a parent and how to teach your children to take responsibility and to critically think before they act.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 3rd, 2013
12:02 pm
But what follows from there, for these maroons, is a worldview that literally presents as a symptom of mercury poisoning. To their minds, the reason that the GOP has turned into a gang of dedicated, febrile refuseniks is because Obama has not shown sufficient “leadership.” By which they mean that he has not unleashed upon the world words of such unrelenting sentimental force, or committed himself to some awesome display of Shatnerian histrionics, to soften his enemies’ hearts and spur them forth from their trenches to join in some sort of Up With People musical number about bipartisan deficit reduction.
Greg Sargent refers to this brand of magical thinking as “the centrist dodge”:
Self-styled “centrist” columnists have a perennial problem on their hands. They have built reputations by calling for middle-of-the-road solutions to our problems. Yet they can’t acknowledge that Obama and Democrats are the ones who are offering solutions that are genuinely centrist, because that would constitute “taking sides.” This would imperil their “brand,” which rests heavily on transcending partisanship, and on their ongoing insistence that the future depends on following a middle ground between the parties.
Brosephus™ - Very good, but brick not hit back
March 3rd, 2013
12:10 pm
No ………. you didn’t read my response carefully.
Yes, I did. Generally, people post things because they have an opinion one way or another on the subject. Rather than assume or try to state your opinion for you, I thought I would be a man and ask probing questions to find out your opinion. That’s what any good investigator does.
The DNA may well become the new fingerprint, but I’m not sold that society is ready for such a thing. Fingerprints don’t give up one tenth of the information that DNA does. There has to be serious safeguards in place to protect that information. At this point, I don’t think we have the capability to operate and protect such a database.
As to the drones, I think they will be allowed but with limitations on their use. I see them as more of a S.W.A.T. tool as opposed to everyday patrol and surveillance use.
Thank you for offering your opinion on the border use of drones.
indigo
March 3rd, 2013
12:17 pm
kayaker 71 – 9:12
If you’re finished with all that hyperbole, maybe you can now list all of Obama’s major lies, with verifiable evidence, of course.
Doggone/GA
March 3rd, 2013
12:23 pm
“maybe you can now list all of Obama’s major lies, with verifiable evidence, of course – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=10#comment-1249676”
Countdown to “look it up for yourself” in 3….2….1
Paulo977
March 3rd, 2013
12:23 pm
Keep Up the Good
Fight………………………”trot out Fox which often has commentators who fail to disclose on air that they work for a person or organization that has an “agenda” in the commentary”
______________________________________________________________
Unfortunately the sheeple believe every word without really thinking and researching the ‘facts’ !!!
indigo
March 3rd, 2013
12:27 pm
Doggone/GA – 12:23
nothing comes up on that
Brosephus™ - Very good, but brick not hit back
March 3rd, 2013
12:28 pm
Keep
Check out the Wonkblog link that Jay posted last night.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
March 3rd, 2013
12:28 pm
Well, the Rev. Postlewaite give a pretty good sermon down at the Church of Holiness this morning. It was about this poor fellow in FL that was sleeping and all of a sudden a sinkhole opened up beneath his bed and he went in, never to be found again. We was asked to think about what would happen to our soul if that happened to us. I don’t know about you, but the first thing I would do is tell myself I got to wake up from this awful dream and get everything normal again. The only thing worse I could think of is to wake up and realize you’re married to Aquagirl or somebody like that.
Anyhow, we’re headed to Ryans shortly. Just thought I’d mention that in case any of you was thinking about going there.
Have a good Sabbath everybody.
Doggone/GA
March 3rd, 2013
12:30 pm
“nothing comes up on that”
Well, if you want to see the fun with “look it up yourself”…check out last night before about 12:30. The chorus was in full cry!
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 3rd, 2013
12:35 pm
I think I’ve figured out what td stands for. And it ain’t touchdown.
(And anytime some one begins their diatribe with, “In other words,” you just know you are going to need hip waders.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWdgiFzpolA
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 3rd, 2013
12:38 pm
Brosephus, interesting. we’ll never hear the ODS sufferers admit the truth.
Brosephus™ - Very good, but brick not hit back
March 3rd, 2013
12:40 pm
Keep
The “perfect” will never admit fault.
kayaker 71
March 3rd, 2013
12:44 pm
indigo, 12:17,
Google is your friend. I listed them yesterday or the day before in response to a similar question. This clown is the biggest liar since FDR. and what amazes most of us is that you sheep believe him.
Doggone/GA
March 3rd, 2013
12:47 pm
“Google is your friend”
20 minutes!
barking frog
March 3rd, 2013
12:48 pm
How can you prove a self generated opinion ? Can you
even prove an opinion ‘plagiarized’ from someone else
by referring to that opinion or crediting that opinion ?
getalife
March 3rd, 2013
12:51 pm
So we raised taxes in the wealthy, cut across the board and now some tough politics on the President’s agenda.
Our President wants to leave a Dem majority as the last piece of his legacy.
I
Doggone/GA
March 3rd, 2013
12:53 pm
“How can you prove a self generated opinion ?”
Well, you can show the facts that led you to that opinion.
Apparently Mr. "Jedi mind meld" is not 'some people', or perhaps he mis-spoke aka lied???
March 3rd, 2013
12:55 pm
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am…I think @ 9:17 am
Kayaker,
I don’t get you. President Obama said it wasn’t going to happen all at once. Wait until April, and we will talk about lies then…
Perhaps you’ve had a jedi mind meld moment? From above March 2 —
February 19 — Obama decried this “meat-cleaver approach,” which he said will “jeopardize our military readiness” and “eviscerate job-creating investments in education and energy and medical research.” The ability of emergency personnel “to help communities respond to and recover from disasters will be degraded,” Obama declared. “Border Patrol agents will see their hours reduced. FBI agents will be furloughed. Federal prosecutors will have to close cases and let criminals go. Air traffic controllers and airport security will see cutbacks, which means more delays at airports across the country. Thousands of teachers and educators will be laid off. Tens of thousands of parents will have to scramble to find child care for their kids. Hundreds of thousands of Americans will lose access to primary care and preventive care like flu vaccinations and cancer screenings.”
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 3rd, 2013
1:00 pm
…or perhaps he mis-spoke aka lied???
The smoking gun is the mushroom cloud.
We will be greeted as liberators.
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 3rd, 2013
1:01 pm
…the biggest liar since FDR.
I guess that Tricky Dick, who departed Washington a total disgrace, the actor, dunce and fabricator Reagan who employed more criminals by FAR than any other administration in history and GW Bush, who was the most incompetent POTUS and greatest American failure since Hoover apparently never even existed in the modern GOP’s collective memories.
And all were consummate liars that made FDR look like a saint…
71 is hysterical.
barking frog
March 3rd, 2013
1:01 pm
Well, you can show the facts that led you to that opinion.
…………………………………..
Not if your are basing your opinion on someone else’s opinion.
Nor if your opinion is based on a multitude of facts that you have
coalesced in your own mind. Thus the use of ‘trending’ in social
reporting. Also who gave anyone the authority to demand proof
of any opinion. The tricky little demand for ‘cite please’ is just a
‘gotcha’ to deflect from the inability of the demander’s inability
to voice a legitimate argument.
Leadership, community organizer style
March 3rd, 2013
1:01 pm
‘IT’S CALLED LEADERSHIP’
Critics said Obama should have held meaningful talks with congressional leaders long before Friday’s last-minute meeting at the White House, which failed to prevent the automatic cuts written into law during a previous budget crisis in 2011.
“The president should call the senior representatives of the parties together to Camp David – or any place with a table, chairs, and no TV cameras – for serious negotiations on replacing the sequester with firm, enforceable beginnings of a comprehensive long-term debt stabilization agreement,” said former Republican Senator Pete Domenici and fiscal expert Alice Rivlin.
The budget veterans, who lead the Bipartisan Policy Center’s Debt Reduction Task Force, called on Obama and congressional Republican leaders to “be willing to tell those on the polar extremes of their parties that a central majority consensus will govern. It’s called leadership.”
After months of silence on political issues, Obama’s Republican opponent in last November’s election resurfaced to take a swipe at the Democrat’s handling of the sequestration mess.
“No one can think that that’s been a success for the president,” Mitt Romney said in an interview to air on “Fox News Sunday.”
The former Massachusetts governor accused Obama of “flying around the country and berating Republicans and blaming and pointing,” instead of striking a budget deal.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/u-lurches-budget-crisis-spending-cuts-imminent-005547865–business.html
getalife
March 3rd, 2013
1:03 pm
You will have to wait 10 years to see the consequences of the cuts but congress can turn them off at any time. He lost that fight because government is too large and there is too much waste. He did win funding government for a year and probably win funding government for his second term.
Onto his agenda and some really tough politics and votes.
Doggone/GA
March 3rd, 2013
1:04 pm
“Not if your are basing your opinion on someone else’s opinion. – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=10#comment-1249720”
then you can show a link to that opinion. Or you can just flat out say “that’s my opinion” and let your listeners decide how much credibility to give you. I don’t, for instance, give any credibility to the opinion on how to raise dogs to someone who has never owned a dog.
getalife
March 3rd, 2013
1:04 pm
Speaking of failed leaders, the romney’s are still blaming the media but they just suked big time.
Erwin's cat
March 3rd, 2013
1:05 pm
20 minutes!
that must have been the “over”
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 3rd, 2013
1:05 pm
Oh, and how could I forget another GREAT Republican hero?!
William Jefferson Clinton…
barking frog
March 3rd, 2013
1:06 pm
my 1:01
sorry got involved and picked up at the wrong part of
my sentence. last sentence should be
The tricky little demand for ‘cite please’ is just
a ‘gotcha’ to deflect from the demander’s inability
to voice a legitimate argument.
Erwin's cat
March 3rd, 2013
1:07 pm
what did i miss?….spent the morning infusing olive oil….now i need to tend to my vinegars
Doggone/GA
March 3rd, 2013
1:09 pm
“The tricky little demand for ‘cite please’ is just
a ‘gotcha’ to deflect from the demander’s inability
to voice a legitimate argument – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=10#comment-1249727”
Not neccessarily. You can’t always frame a legitimate response if you don’t know the background.
barking frog
March 3rd, 2013
1:12 pm
Doggone/GA
. I don’t, for instance, give any credibility to the opinion on how to raise dogs to someone who has never owned a dog.
……………………………………………………………………………………………..
This would cost you the information from someone who gathered
opinions from many dog owners and distributed that information.
Doggone/GA
March 3rd, 2013
1:12 pm
“spent the morning infusing olive oil….now i need to tend to my vinegars – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=10#comment-1249733”
What do you do, sit and stare at them…willing them to infuse better? ‘-)
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 3rd, 2013
1:12 pm
Brosephus @ 12:10
“I thought I would be a man ……….. ”
You keep bringing that up. Most men who “are men” usually don’t do that.
Just sayin’.
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 3rd, 2013
1:13 pm
cat, I have no idea what that 1:07 means, but it sounds like fun.
Reading up on the dolt Reagan, I also determined where the “opinion” that “anthropogenic climate change is a vast liberal hoax designed to destroy American economy” came from.
You want GOP stupid? Check these two insane assertions.
“Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do.”
He also said that the sulfur dioxide emitted from Mount St. Helens was greater than that emitted by cars over a 10-year period. (In one day, cars emit 40 times what Mount St. Helens released in a day even at its peak activity.)
The brainiac Ronnie must have tutored that equally esteemed vulcanologist, Rush Limbaugh…
Doggone/GA
March 3rd, 2013
1:14 pm
“This would cost you the information from someone who gathered
opinions from many dog owners and distributed that information – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=10#comment-1249735”
and it’s far more likely to “cost” me the information from someone who has no clue how to judge that information and who has not tested it, because they can’t test it. And if they got it from “many dogs owners” then so can I.
Erwin's cat
March 3rd, 2013
1:17 pm
What do you do, sit and stare at them…willing them to infuse better? ‘-)
hardy ha ha….I use a little heat to get it started…did a rosemary/garlic and a red pepper/garlic..
the vinegars are red wine and champagne…talk about a long stare
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 3rd, 2013
1:19 pm
Well, here you go ………. more “Arab Spring”:
“A new al-Qaida “guidebook” for extremists aims to incite homegrown “lone wolves” into carrying out small-scale terrorist attacks inside the United States and other Western countries, using materials as easily obtainable as motor or cooking oil, sugar and matches to trigger massive traffic accidents, devastating fires and deadly explosions.”
http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/03/17161026-new-al-qaida-terror-guidebook-urges-young-extremists-to-think-small?lite
barking frog
March 3rd, 2013
1:20 pm
Doggone/GA
And if they got it from “many dogs owners” then so can I.
………………………………………………….
I cannot disagree with this so, proceed guvnor….
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 3rd, 2013
1:20 pm
Only by opening the box may we determine if the oil is infused with cat.
barking frog
March 3rd, 2013
1:23 pm
Kamchak
Only by opening the box may we determine if the oil is infused with cat.
…………………………………………………………
you have my sympathy if you try to infuse the cat with oil…
getalife
March 3rd, 2013
1:26 pm
scout,
Are you still scared of a small gang ?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 3rd, 2013
1:27 pm
frog
It can be done.
Special equipment needed:
(1) Kevlar body suit.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
March 3rd, 2013
1:29 pm
Most men who “are men” usually don’t do that
How funny that the FTroopers who bring up their chest thumpin manli-less daily about how others are “kept” and similar stupidity and demand to see the “papers” of anyone who challenges them now resort to childish retorts about how they are “manly” now apparently for not bringing up how manly they are.
Oh well, what can you expect from someone who buffoonishly claims that they cannot give in “one iota” on an issue because they are afraid.
Doggone/GA
March 3rd, 2013
1:30 pm
“you have my sympathy if you try to infuse the cat with oil… – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=10#comment-1249738”
OR the oil with cat!
Erwin's cat
March 3rd, 2013
1:37 pm
(1) Kevlar body suit.
(2) leather welder’s gloves
Fred ™
March 3rd, 2013
1:38 pm
Jamvet: My dad flew 130’s for over 30 years. When I told him I was going to jump school he told me not to tell anyone he knew since only assho… and bird crap fell from the sky lol.
He did all kinds of interesting stuff. Flew into hurricanes, refueled helicopters…….. They had a brilliant idea during VietNam. They took C-130’s and put lights all over them so they could fly low over a battlefield at night and light it up for our soldiers………..
Needless to say, they didn’t last long before being shot down, I think 10 minutes was the longest. My dad was scheduled to fly the “next” mission when they figured out how stupid they were. He went to the briefing where they told him the missions were cancelled.
He walked out to his plane to tell the crew the good news, the suicide mission was called off and there was the crew chief with a BFH (Big F’ing Hammer) just beating hell out of something on one of the engines.
“Is something broken chief?” he asked.
“Not yet sir but I only need another minute.”
He did SAR, dropped troops, covert inserts, you name it. He retired when he busted his flight physical. He didn’t want to fly a desk.
Doggone/GA
March 3rd, 2013
1:41 pm
“(1) Kevlar body suit.
(2) leather welder’s gloves
(3) fencing mask
Fred ™
March 3rd, 2013
1:43 pm
what did i miss?….spent the morning infusing olive oil….now i need to tend to my vinegars
++++++++++++++++++++++++++
If you wouldn’t buy that cheap crappy store brand junk you wouldn’t need to doctor them up………
Fred ™
March 3rd, 2013
1:46 pm
Yo cat, i hit enter too soon. Did you make your own vinegar?
barking frog
March 3rd, 2013
1:48 pm
Does Popeye like olive oil on spinach ?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 3rd, 2013
1:48 pm
Good Fight:
You need to work on your reading comprehension.
The phrase always used is “kept by better MEN (emphasis added) than themselves.”
Note: Both may be “men” but one is willing to let other “men” fight on their behalf and of course accept the rewards of their sacrifice. Our history is replete with that from the Revolution through today.
Here’s the full quote for your edification:
“A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.”
John Stuart Mill
NEXT ?
Erwin's cat
March 3rd, 2013
1:49 pm
If you wouldn’t buy that cheap crappy store brand junk you wouldn’t need to doctor them up……… ,
nothing but the best ….Wesson
Erwin's cat
March 3rd, 2013
1:50 pm
Fred – yes on the vinegar…takes about 3 months of the red wine and about 6 mo on the champagne
They call me MISTER JamVet.
March 3rd, 2013
1:51 pm
Fred, great stuff.
Watching some of It’s a Mad Mad Mad Mad World, which has the greatest comedic cast ever assembled.
Spencer Tracey, Milton Berle, Sid Caesar, Buddy Hackett, Ethel Merman, Mickey Rooney, Phil Silvers, Jonathan Winters, Jim Backus, Peter Falk, Buster Keaton, Don Knotts, Carl Reiner the Three Stooges (!), Jimmy Durante, Jack Benny and Jerry Lewis.
One of a kind…
Fred ™
March 3rd, 2013
1:53 pm
Too cool EC. I want to try that some time. Right now though I’m busy taking free courses on line ( https://www.coursera.org/ ), trying to get my tree hugger huge garden project going, and learning how to bake. Plus the wife wants me to remodel the whole house………. all this while trying to lose a hundred pounds lol. I see a failure at SOMETHING looming………….
Moderate Line
March 3rd, 2013
1:54 pm
Fred ™
March 2nd, 2013
11:18 am
I am not really sure where you really pointed out anything I said was hypocritical.
That is because in your self righteousness you REFUSE to see it. Everyone else can though. Thanks for playing. I lack time to talk to those who lack morals and intellectual integrity
And you are calling me self-righteous. LOL
I don’t refuse to see anything. I admit to being self righteous and hypocrite like everyone else. The only person that seems to REFUSE to admit is you.
barking frog
March 3rd, 2013
1:54 pm
0311
John Stuart Mill ? The liberal philosopher who was godfather
to Bertrand Russell ? Really ?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
March 3rd, 2013
1:58 pm
“He’s got… Wessonality.”
– Thomas “Florence Henderson” Jefferson
Brosephus™ - Very good, but brick not hit back
March 3rd, 2013
1:58 pm
You keep bringing that up. Most men who “are men” usually don’t do that.
Most men who are men usually act like one too. Obviously, you missed my post to you last night about manning up.
Doggone/GA
March 3rd, 2013
1:59 pm
Fred – “trying to get my tree hugger huge garden project going – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=11#comment-1249752”
Check out mulch gardening. It can save you a LOT of time and trouble, and it helps improve your garden soil over time. I’ve told this here before, not sure if you were here then…but my sister and I tried it and in a garden that was only about 3 feet x 6 feet (using miniature vegetables) we grew corn, bush peas, runner beans, watermelon, cantelope, radishes, cucumbers, carrots, lettuce, bell peppers, and tomatoes
And all without having to do any weeding and must minimal watering.
Fred ™
March 3rd, 2013
2:00 pm
i THOUGHT my daughter was sitting around the corner reading a book, (well she was earlier), but it seems she is working on a project for school with a friend via her phone and nook. Gotta love modern technology. What I’m proud of though is that she doesn’t go back to school for another week. Next week is their spring break. This same girl spent the night a couple of weeks ago and when I came down to check on them they were STUDYING not giggling and cutting up.
Wow. I didn’t teach her this. I teach her how to cuss, chew tobacco, spit, fart, belch, shoot snot rockets……. you know the IMPORTANT stuff………
Erwin's cat
March 3rd, 2013
2:02 pm
Fred all you need is a container (ceramic with a spigot)
http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Your-Own-Vinegar
some braggs organic vinegar (about 1/2 cup for a mother starter) a cool dark storage and left over wine…and time
I’d love a good garden but i’m just not that dedicated…tomatoes, peppers, and, herbs is about all i can manage….good luck with the projects
barking frog
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