Foreign governments with U.S. writers on their payroll?

This is pretty damn scummy:

“A range of mainstream American publications printed paid propaganda for the government of Malaysia, much of it focused on the campaign against a pro-democracy figure there.

The payments to conservative American opinion writers — whose work appeared in outlets from the Huffington Post and San Francisco Examiner to the Washington Times to National Review and RedState — emerged in a filing this week to the Department of Justice. The filing under the Foreign Agent Registration Act outlines a campaign spanning May 2008 to April 2011 and led by Joshua Trevino, a conservative pundit, who received $389,724.70 under the contract and paid smaller sums to a series of conservative writers….

Trevino’s subcontractors included conservative writer Ben Domenech, who made $36,000 from the arrangement, and Rachel Ehrenfeld, the director of the American Center for Democracy, who made $30,000. Seth Mandel, an editor at Commentary, made $5,500. Brad Jackson, writing at the time for RedState, made $24,700. Overall, 10 writers were part of the arrangement.”

You take secret, undisclosed money from a foreign government to write hit pieces in U.S. media against a man, in this case Anwar Ibrahim, who is struggling to bring democracy to his country and was beaten and imprisoned for years for daring to challenge the dictatorial government? (Russia has apparently run similar pay-to-say operations.)

Much of Trevino’s work under the Malaysian contract has been removed by the outlets that published it. But you can get a taste of its amoral quality from this piece that was published as a rebuttal to a Trevino column.

And here’s a Rachel Ehrenfeld piece, condemning Ibrahim for “careless sexual behavior” among other things.

We already know of course that “you can’t believe everything that’s on the Internet.” But paid agents of foreign governments masquerading as American journalists takes things to a dangerous level and says a lot about the character of those involved.

UPDATE: Among those named as receiving money from Malaysia in Trevino’s belated filing as a foreign agent is Christopher Badeaux. Here’s a small sampling of his Malaysia-related work at RedState.com:

“Najib Razak, the Prime Minister of Malaysia, has been on a more or less singular crusade to convince the Muslim world — and the West — that there is a path for moderate Islam in the world, that Islam does not equal terror, and that the taking of a life is contrary to Islam and civilization. His speech at Oxford was of a piece with that….

The salient point here is not whether we agree with the prime minister’s theological assertions, but rather we can appreciate the extraordinary effort he is making here, and the importance for the United States of his efforts.”

And:

In Malaysia, Anwar Ibrahim, the leader of Malaysia’s opposition, has apparently been caught in adultery, with video evidence that Dartmouth scientists say nearly certainly implicates him. The major dailies are calling on him to resign. For three years, after failing to topple the governing party in the 2008 elections, he has crisscrossed the planet telling anyone and everyone who would listen how corrupt and evil the governing party is. And yet despite all of this — despite his stated certainty that his opposition coalition of socialists, Islamists, and yuppie liberals is the only chance his country has to avoid certain doom at the hands of the centrist coalition that has been re-elected time and again in Malaysia, he has refused to resign.”

– Jay Bookman

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They call me MISTER JamVet.

March 2nd, 2013
1:11 pm

To how just how eaten up he is with the Republican cancer, td capitalizes the word conservative incorrectly. (Though reverently, I’m sure.)

One more time, it reminds me of those racist tracts I’ve seen from yesteryear where the word White is always capitalized and the word black is never capitalized.

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March 2nd, 2013
1:12 pm

“Foreign governments with U.S. writers on their payroll?”

Rule #1: If it’s a liberal writer ………. free speech !

Rule #2: If it’s a conservative writer ………….. damn scummy !

Translation: Hypocrisy

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March 2nd, 2013
1:13 pm

Fred ™

March 2nd, 2013
1:15 pm

Oh and Jam? That Rungren was awesome. I had never heard that before. I started to get one of those things back in that time period when I was jamming hard and playing in bands.

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March 2nd, 2013
1:15 pm

Recon:

This is halarious …………. re: the expertise of our V.P.

“Women Take Biden’s Shotgun Advice”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=Ia4csoQLvGY&NR=1

Peace

March 2nd, 2013
1:16 pm

Amen, td! You could add the names of most members of the current administration, from top to bottom.

“For you to not realize that the justice system in this country only sees the color of green shows how uninformed you are. OJ, Charlie Rangle and Michael Jackson have been kept out of prison only because of their money as well.”

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March 2nd, 2013
1:16 pm

They call me MISTER JamVet.:

You mean like soldier, sailor, airman or Marine ?

getalife

March 2nd, 2013
1:17 pm

The dems in the house will attack the gop on cuts the way the gop attacked the dems on ObamaCare.

barking frog

March 2nd, 2013
1:17 pm

td
“Republicans control the House of Representatives and will until at least 2022 – ”
………………………………………………………………………………
however, the type of Republicans may change for the better….

Fred ™

March 2nd, 2013
1:17 pm

Scout@1:13: I noticed that a couple of weeks ago when I was looking at something else. That guy caught up in the Petraeus scandal was a Marine as well. It seemed new to me that a Marine General would hold the position that he held.

Semper Fi.

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March 2nd, 2013
1:18 pm

Joseph Kennedy (mouthpiece for communist propaganda)

Al Gore (mouthpiece for radical Islamic propaganda)

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March 2nd, 2013
1:20 pm

Fred:

The Corps has been the last bastion of true warrior leadership (i.e., males & females still have separate bootcamps).

It has stood them well over the years but as time goes by they too will fall to poltical correctness.

Good people will die who didn’t need to because of it.

They call me MISTER JamVet.

March 2nd, 2013
1:20 pm

No 1811 etc, more like Occutard…

getalife

March 2nd, 2013
1:21 pm

however, the type of Republicans may change for the better.

No, they will not change.

barking frog

March 2nd, 2013
1:21 pm

0311
They call me MISTER JamVet.:

You mean like soldier, sailor, airman or Marine ?
………………………………………………………………………….
actually, more like a Warrant Officer…….

Fred ™

March 2nd, 2013
1:24 pm

Damn you scout I have to GO……. quit posting funny stuff. That Biden/Shotgun video was hilarious. When they did the story the other day on the news about that ditzy girl that shot herself at school they showed her gun, it was pink. My daughter commented on it. I told her I started to buy her a pink pistol but decided to wait til she was 12. She said that’s what she wants, a pink pistol lol.

Anyway, check out this video is you haven’t seen it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzBvREYEQ8Y

barking frog

March 2nd, 2013
1:25 pm

getalife
however, the type of Republicans may change for the better.

No, they will not change.
…………………………………………………………………………..
I will reserve judgment until 2015….

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March 2nd, 2013
1:26 pm

VIGILANCE !

This is why we will never trust liberals and we will fight “gun control”.

Headline (CBS): “Popular Standard Shotgun Could Be Banned Under Proposed Bill”

“A popular hunting shotgun could be banned under one of the bills moving through the state Capitol.

A pump or semi-automatic shotgun is the gun most hunters in Colorado use. It’s a gun state Sen. Greg Brophy, R-Wray, says could be banned under a bill that’s already passed the House and Gov. John Hickenlooper says he’ll sign.

“They’re coming after the standard shotgun,” Brophy told CBS4 Political Specialist Shaun ”

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/03/01/popular-standard-shotgun-could-be-banned-under-proposed-bill/

weetamoe

March 2nd, 2013
1:27 pm

I think it might be considered a personal attack if a couple of people you do not know use a common word that you yourself never heard and for that reason become targets of your willfully ignorant rage and you repeatedly call them liars.

TaxPayer

March 2nd, 2013
1:28 pm

Scummy people will do anything for a buck.

getalife

March 2nd, 2013
1:28 pm

frog,

Good luck with that.

td

March 2nd, 2013
1:29 pm

barking frog

March 2nd, 2013
1:17 pm

td
“Republicans control the House of Representatives and will until at least 2022 – ”
………………………………………………………………………………
however, the type of Republicans may change for the better….

I am not seeing any moderate Republican challenges to conservative Republican legislators.

Fred ™

March 2nd, 2013
1:31 pm

Scout: One last link. You will LOVE this guy. One of his partners was the guy who got shot about a month ago just north of Atlanta. He tests some really kick ass weapons.

http://www.youtube.com/user/FPSRussia

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March 2nd, 2013
1:32 pm

Fred:

Nothing lasts forever.

When the following can no longer be said about Marines then it will be time for them to furl their flag and turn it all over to the Army.

“We have two companies of Marines running rampant all over the northern half of this island, and three Army regiments pinned down in the southwestern corner, doing nothing. What the hell is going on?”

Gen. John W. Vessey Jr., United States Army, Chairman of the the Joint Chiefs of Staff; during the assault on Grenada, 1983

td

March 2nd, 2013
1:32 pm

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March 2nd, 2013
1:26 pm

Just read the article. Between the moves of the Progressives in CO to go along with NY, IL and MD it is very clear as to what the true progressive agenda is when it comes to the 2nd Amendment.

barking frog

March 2nd, 2013
1:33 pm

getalife
frog,

Good luck with that.
……………………………………………………………
It is the republicans that need the luck and I wish them well.

Fred ™

March 2nd, 2013
1:34 pm

Aw, how sweet. My stalker is here with one of his usual indecipherable posts. Hi Weetie. Don’t forget about the restraining order. I know you worship me but your love must remain unrequited……. but I feel your pain. Just for you sweetie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WISogScYNXA

td

March 2nd, 2013
1:35 pm

“Democrats are quick to attribute the Republican advantage in the House to gerrymandering. This is certainly a part of the story. Republicans benefited from having an extremely strong election in 2010, giving them control of the redistricting process in many states. (Although Democrats were no less aggressive about creating gerrymandered districts in states like Illinois.)”

“However, much or most of the Republican advantage in the House results from geography rather than deliberate attempts to gerrymander districts. Liberals tend to cluster in dense urban centers, creating districts in which Democrats might earn as much as 80 or 90 percent of the vote. In contrast, even the most conservative districts in the country tend not to give more than about 70 or 75 percent of their vote to Republicans. This means that Democrats have more wasted votes in the cities than Republicans do in the countryside, depriving Democrats of votes at the margin in swing districts. Eliminating partisan gerrymandering would reduce the G.O.P.’s advantage in the House but not eliminate it.”

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/26/did-democrats-get-lucky-in-the-electoral-college/

Look before I leap...

March 2nd, 2013
1:35 pm

“That is not my prediction. It belongs to Nate Silver.”

Nice of you to cite that as opposed to posting it as if you figured that out for yourself.

That said, I don’t recall seeing that in Silver’s blog. I’ve seen it in dailykos and John Kelly.

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March 2nd, 2013
1:35 pm

td:

Exactly !

getalife

March 2nd, 2013
1:35 pm

I hope they continue to lose for my country.

We know they can’t govern.

barking frog

March 2nd, 2013
1:36 pm

td
there are 4 elections til 2022.

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March 2nd, 2013
1:37 pm

Fred:

Good video but make sure you read my 1:26.

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March 2nd, 2013
1:37 pm

getalife:

Are you gong to give up your pump shotgun someday ?

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March 2nd, 2013
1:38 pm

“Scummy people will do anything for a buck.”

Yes ……… Al Gore ……. what was it ? $55 million ?

getalife

March 2nd, 2013
1:39 pm

I will let the cuts play out before opining on who will win in 14.

getalife

March 2nd, 2013
1:41 pm

scout,

I will not give up any of my guns unless I want to sell them for outrageous prices like I did already.

Fred ™

March 2nd, 2013
1:43 pm

Man it takes Jay a hell of a long time to get a cup of coffee. You reckon he had to grow the beans?

breckenridge

March 2nd, 2013
1:48 pm

TD make no mistake about it, the sun is rapidly setting on the religious right. Abortion, gay marriage, evolution, birth control, sex education – the GOP must get out of the filthy fundamentalist religion business or they are going to become irrelevant on a national basis. You just saw two examples of this last November in Indiana and Missouri.

And is there anything more foolish, stupid and childish than the belief that only born-again Christians can go to heaven? A belief held by the vast majority of the members of the two big cults in America, the Southern Baptists and the Pentecostals? If there is I don’t know what it would be.

RB from Gwinnett

March 2nd, 2013
1:49 pm

td, “Just read the article. Between the moves of the Progressives in CO to go along with NY, IL and MD it is very clear as to what the true progressive agenda is when it comes to the 2nd Amendment”

Did you see the proposed plan in WA that had citizens registering guns and giving the sherriff the right to make yearly home inspections? It’s pretty clear what they really want even if they aren’t willing to say it.

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March 2nd, 2013
1:53 pm

getalife:

You mean you would defy the law ????

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March 2nd, 2013
1:55 pm

RB from Gwinnett:

Exactly ………. and that’s why we should fight EVERY proposal they make on gun violence issue if it involves new laws on the guns/ammo/magazines themselves.

Don’t give in one iota !!

getalife

March 2nd, 2013
1:55 pm

scout,

There is no law in Louisiana and there will never be a law to take guns in Louisiana.

Everybody down here are armed to the teeth and they actually use AR’s for hunting.

td

March 2nd, 2013
1:57 pm

breckenridge

March 2nd, 2013
1:48 pm

“TD make no mistake about it, the sun is rapidly setting on the religious right.”

You really think so? If you are a student of history then you will find that the harder the times the more religious people become. What do you think is going to happen when interest rates start to rise again (and they will rise eventually), and Social security and Medicare are truly in the red and there has to be real austerity cuts in social programs spending? Do you think people will find religion again in huge numbers? What do you think will happen the next time Muslim extremist attack this country on our own soil (and it will happen again). Will the masses turn to religion or will they become more secular?

td

March 2nd, 2013
1:59 pm

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March 2nd, 2013
1:55 pm

RB from Gwinnett:

Exactly ………. and that’s why we should fight EVERY proposal they make on gun violence issue if it involves new laws on the guns/ammo/magazines themselves.

Don’t give in one iota !!

The Dems in states are proving the slippery slope arguments are real and true as to were guns are concerned. I agree with you 100%.

Recon 0311 2533

March 2nd, 2013
2:00 pm

It appears that Jay’s little hit piece on conservative pundits originated from a Cory Doctorow piece in Boing Boing. Both Doctorow and Boing Boing are far-left activists. We probably won’t see much more about this beyond Jay’s blog.

getalife

March 2nd, 2013
2:05 pm

The only thing that will pass in congress are better background checks so lets get real about guns.

td

March 2nd, 2013
2:05 pm

Peace

March 2nd, 2013
2:08 pm

Recon @ 2:00 p.m.

Jay has to get paid…

getalife

March 2nd, 2013
2:10 pm

You will probable see things passed that they agree on now.

Better background checks, immigration and gay marriage.

The gop will bend like they did on the violence against women to try to get some of those votes.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 2nd, 2013
2:11 pm

barking frog

March 2nd, 2013
2:16 pm

getalife
I believe they will limit magazines to 10 rounds if a bill passes.
Background checks will remain as they are.

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March 2nd, 2013
2:22 pm

“The only thing that will pass in congress are better background checks so lets get real about guns.”

Geez !

I didn’t realize getalife was such a gun nut.

Go figure ! Right Kammie ??

YouLibs

March 2nd, 2013
2:23 pm

M

Thanks for the link at 10:42. Good read and right on the money.

They call me MISTER JamVet.

March 2nd, 2013
2:26 pm

We probably won’t see much more about this beyond Jay’s blog.

Not sure who he means by we, but technically I suspect he is correct. (that old see no evil with the hands over the eyes thing, ya know…)

TD make no mistake about it, the sun is rapidly setting on the religious right.

Yep.

Christian conservatives, for more than two decades a pivotal force in American politics, are grappling with Election Day results that repudiated their influence and suggested that the cultural tide — especially on gay issues — has shifted against them.

They are reeling not only from the loss of the presidency, but from what many of them see as a rejection of their agenda. They lost fights against same-sex marriage in all four states where it was on the ballot, and saw anti-abortion-rights Senate candidates defeated and two states vote to legalize marijuana for recreational use.

It is not as though they did not put up a fight; they went all out as never before: The Rev. Billy Graham dropped any pretense of nonpartisanship and all but endorsed Mitt Romney for president. Roman Catholic bishops denounced President Obama’s policies as a threat to life, religious liberty and the traditional nuclear family. Ralph Reed’s Faith and Freedom Coalition distributed more voter guides in churches and contacted more homes by mail and phone than ever before.

Time to considering taking their tax exempt status away…

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March 2nd, 2013
2:29 pm

“I believe they will limit magazines to 10 rounds if a bill passes.”

You take three ten round mags and tape them together in a certain way (one in the middle and two outboard) and you have a 30 round capacity that will take about 2 seconds or less to change each magazine.

We taped our 20 round mags. in Nam that way so we had a quick 60 rounds available.

Geez !

getalife

March 2nd, 2013
2:29 pm

“I didn’t realize getalife was such a gun nut.”

I guess you read nothing about my views on guns but that is okay because I ignore most of your posts too.

Frog,

It is possible to limit the numbers of children slaughtered next time but doubt the gop would pass it.

They will probably add a mental health check to background checks and that will pass.

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March 2nd, 2013
2:35 pm

“Bias Bash: Media blames Woodward and defends Obama”

One thing good could come out of this Woodward thing. He may finally wake up and realize that he (and others) really screwed up in not venting Obama properly in the first place.

He and the mainstream media allowed the “stealth president” a free ride and now he (Woodward) is paying the “Chicago” price.

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March 2nd, 2013
2:36 pm

getalife:

Don’t take it so personal. We’ll take your vote on this one.

getalife

March 2nd, 2013
2:38 pm

scout,

I don’t take blogging personally.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 2nd, 2013
2:46 pm

It’s dark in the rabbit hole. It must be the stupidity that sucks the light of knowledge.

td

March 2nd, 2013
2:47 pm

getalife

March 2nd, 2013
2:38 pm

scout,

I don’t take blogging personally.

If you did then you would have probably went on a killing rampage by now.

They call me MISTER JamVet.

March 2nd, 2013
2:49 pm

…allowed the “stealth president” a free ride..

Classic.

Coming from the birther idiots in that inept cult who swore he was not an American citizen…

Dang!

March 2nd, 2013
2:51 pm

Jay is a liberal opinion writer.
Jay writes liberal propaganda.
Jay gets paid for this.
What’s the difference?

getalife

March 2nd, 2013
2:53 pm

“If you did then you would have probably went on a killing rampage by now.”

You win some and lose some but we are all Americans..

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March 2nd, 2013
3:05 pm

THE DEBT LIMIT !

THIS IS GREAT !!!

“A good illustration of what is happening in D.C.”

http://www.youtube.com/embed/Li0no7O9zmE

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March 2nd, 2013
3:08 pm

td @ 2:47

LOL !

Yes ……… we’re all Americans !

Some patriotic and some not so patriotic.

Fred ™

March 2nd, 2013
3:09 pm

Rush’s new parody about the sequester. LOL

DAMN you td. Don’t do that to me. When you use the word RUSH and SONG together I think you mean the REAL Rush, not the druggie ass clown.

REAL RUSH (plus Bubbles): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs4qn_bHQQ0

getalife

March 2nd, 2013
3:11 pm

Starting to see some red flags on economic numbers again.

One thing you can count on is the gop destroying our economy.

TaxPayer

March 2nd, 2013
3:16 pm

One thing you can count on is the gop destroying our economy.

A result of their lack of patriotism.

Fred ™

March 2nd, 2013
3:16 pm

I can’t tell if this is a waste of good scallops or a new decadent delight. After once making an awesome balsamic vinegar/red wine reduction one time to go over scallops I had an epiphany. The reduction was extraordinarily good, but so were the scallops and they didn’t need a damn thing except the sea salt and ground pepper I seared them in…….. the reduction was wasted. Anyway, check this out:

http://thebitesizedblog.com/blog/2010/07/28/scallop-blt/#.UTJdSVfTA1L

getalife

March 2nd, 2013
3:16 pm

We will see negative growth and unemployment rising for the short term so your 401k’s will drop again.

getalife

March 2nd, 2013
3:18 pm

Tax,

There will be a patriotic vote in the house as they try to welch on military cuts.

Stevie Ray

March 2nd, 2013
3:18 pm

Brosephus™ – If do right, no can defense

March 2nd, 2013
11:55 am

My comment regarding the type of sleep you got last night was appropos of nothing related to this thread or anything you posted. With a new infant, my experience was that sleep was at a premium and that I could be a bit surly as a result.

Sorry you took it that way. In the future I will make a note to make sure and preface….

Fred ™

March 2nd, 2013
3:24 pm

“Jay is a liberal opinion writer.
Jay writes liberal propaganda.
Jay gets paid for this.
What’s the difference? “

OK. I’ll bite. What?

Stevie Ray

March 2nd, 2013
3:27 pm

Fred ™

March 2nd, 2013
3:09 pm

Well good afternoon Fred. I did note your well thought out response several hours ago about the difference between name calling and labeling. It truly was a the work of a master wordsmith and I certainly could learn much from your deflecting greatness.

I find the more useful contributions here involve constructive response to whatever is posted. I suggest that like Jay, I find Kyle competent, particularly at the target of his specific commentary. Your reply is to increase your emotional volume and label me as a means of a successful shoutdown. Further to portray a guy who puts it out there everyday in derrogatory tones…that are childish and suggest an inability to remove emotions out of the way anytime someone disagrees with whatever you politics are…

Suggests incompetency at a minimum…yes that’s a label.

Doggone/GA

March 2nd, 2013
3:27 pm

“Jay writes liberal propaganda.”

Got proof?

BSNBC

March 2nd, 2013
3:29 pm

Do not slam our state media! Al Sharpton, Rachael Meadows and those other America haters helped get Obama elected!

Fred ™

March 2nd, 2013
3:30 pm

Do not slam our state media! Al Sharpton, Rachael Meadows and those other America haters helped get Obama elected!

Wow, every day we get more and more proof that there just isn’t any cure for stupid………

getalife

March 2nd, 2013
3:31 pm

At least Bernanke will keep easing 85 billion a month to help the markets but investors are saying don’t panic.

Income has dropped big and there is no help from government on jobs .

I think there is a big market correction coming because consumers have no money to buy things.

Stevie Ray

March 2nd, 2013
3:35 pm

TaxPayer

March 2nd, 2013
3:16 pm

So much for that old checks and balances eh? It’s really a trivial amount which is easily manageable if left up to department heads. Even BO suggested before that there is plenty of fat in entitlements that can be carved without impact on recipients.

Seems the gloom doom and despair BS is something liberals are wishing for simply to prove a political point. Expand the (not cuts) $85 billion slow in growth program to entitlement waste and its easy. Funny how BO extended Bush tax cuts because it was not the time…now things appear to be different.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 2nd, 2013
3:38 pm

Funny how BO extended Bush tax cuts because it was not the time…

Not intended to be a factual statement.

breckenridge

March 2nd, 2013
3:38 pm

TD – You are completely off in the weeds. Back in 2007 15% of Americans identified themselves as non-Christians. That had increased to 20% by 2012 and will be at 25% by 2017. And in 2020 the number of Americans that believe the Bible is word-for-word true will drop under 30%.

History? Yeah, let’s talk history, let’s talk about the greatest political thinker America has ever produced, the Father of the Constitution and the Father of the Bill of Rights, James Madison.

“That diabolical, hell-conceived principle of persecution rages among some; and to their eternal infamy, the clergy can furnish their quota of impas for such business.” James Madison, 1774.

“Ecclesiastical establishments tend to great ignorance and corruption, all of which facilitate the execution of mischievous projects.” James Madison, 1774.

“What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people.” James Madison, 1785.

Stevie Ray

March 2nd, 2013
3:40 pm

Is it just me but are all assumptions about the down trodden middle class seem to assume that all of them currently live beyond their means?

I realize living beyond means is our culture as reflected and confirmed by the fact that we have to borrow almost 40 cents on the dollar for government maintenance.

No way we make any headway out of our continued spending/revenue spiral with the current lot in DC unless everyone pitches in…we can’t get out of this leaning on the 1%….overrated as a solution..

TaxPayer

March 2nd, 2013
3:42 pm

Funny how Republicans were willing to implement those Bush tax cuts without introducing a single solitary spending cut as an offset. Funny how Republicans waged two wars without asking the tax payers for a single solitary dime to pay for them. Nah. Not really funny at all. Cowardly is more like it.

Stevie Ray

March 2nd, 2013
3:47 pm

kamchak

From the horses mouth:

“It’s a good deal for the American people. This is progress. And that’s what they sent us here to achieve. ”

The package breezed through the Senate earlier this week on a vote of 81 to 19, giving Obama his strongest bipartisan victory on a major initiative since he took office.

Of course that was the only bi partisan thing he has accomplished of merit. Funny how times change..wouldn’t you agree?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/16/AR2010121606200_2.html?sid=ST2011022703543

Of course who but you to judge the validity of factual statements…you rock!

Stevie Ray

March 2nd, 2013
3:48 pm

TaxPayer

March 2nd, 2013
3:42 pm

It is kinda….well 2013 which I trust even you would validate as a true statement. Got anything new?

td

March 2nd, 2013
3:49 pm

Fred ™

March 2nd, 2013
3:09 pm

Rush’s new parody about the sequester. LOL

DAMN you td. Don’t do that to me. When you use the word RUSH and SONG together I think you mean the REAL Rush,

You just gave the biggest belly roll laugh I have ever had on a blog by just imagining your surprise when you opened the Rush link.

Thank you

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 2nd, 2013
3:50 pm

Of course who but you to judge the validity of factual statements…you rock!

This particular bit of silliness has been addressed and debunked here numerous times.

Maybe you can borrow the notes from one of your classmates who was actually paying attention in class.

Fred ™

March 2nd, 2013
3:50 pm

I find the more useful contributions here involve constructive response to whatever is posted. I suggest that like Jay, I find Kyle competent, particularly at the target of his specific commentary. Your reply is to increase your emotional volume and label me as a means of a successful shoutdown. Further to portray a guy who puts it out there everyday in derrogatory tones…that are childish and suggest an inability to remove emotions out of the way anytime someone disagrees with whatever you politics are…

Suggests incompetency at a minimum…yes that’s a label.

I believe Shakespeare wrote a play the title of which could sum up your post. Much ado about nothing.

I’m sure you are prepared to show examples of this “emotional volume.” I see you are quite fond of your passive aggressive “emotional” argument. Perhaps you could show us all some evidence of it. Perhaps a clinical definition so that we all can see if your examples fit the parameters or if this is just something you spent several hours fabricating.

You allege many things in your P/A attacks yet you don;t really say anything of substance. I’ll go cut some veggies while I wait several hours for your to contrive your next reply.

You see sport, you are exposed. You don’t like that, but it is what it is. Now you are trying to get in a pissing contest with Brocephus. How long before you try this little “emotional” argument on him?

Your basic fallacy is your belief that I typically have ANY emotions on this message board other than amusement. Hell, I laugh over half the time I’m typing something out. You are so far from the truth and your inability to even begin to fathom the truths I type to you are quite amusing.

but thanks for playing.

getalife

March 2nd, 2013
3:50 pm

Basically, everyone is feeling the pain that had to come at some point.

The wealthy pay higher taxes and the rest suffer with cuts and no jobs plan.

The speaker said no more taxes and our President should say no more cuts and work on his agenda.

TaxPayer

March 2nd, 2013
3:52 pm

Stevie Ray,

Your lame attempt at ignoring the past is well… lame. Got anything not so lame.

Stevie Ray

March 2nd, 2013
3:52 pm

breckenridge

March 2nd, 2013
3:38 pm

I was watching a show on the physics surrounding the evolution of earth as a planet last evening. I’m far from a religious person so I was shocked to know how the Christian concept of the earth being 6,000 years old was calculated. Apparently, some religious guy added up the collective ages of certain Biblical scribes and came up with 4,000 or so. Ergo, if you add the 2,000 ACE, you arrive at 6,000 years old.

Mystifying.

Fred ™

March 2nd, 2013
3:53 pm

Oh and Stevie? Sorry I missed your post before. I don’t see how. In the interim I was reading a course I am taking. Perhaps you would like it or something else unless you are merely a pseudo intellectual. I offer you access to some of the finest minds on our planet:

https://www.coursera.org/course/aids (course I was working on)

https://www.coursera.org/ (gateway to untold knowledge)

Welcome to the Occupation

March 2nd, 2013
3:53 pm

Stevie Ray: “Is it just me but are all assumptions about the down trodden middle class seem to assume that all of them currently live beyond their means?”

Of course. The entire economic system since the 1970s has been based on the vast majority of consumers living “beyond their means”, namely on credit. The whole post-Bretton Woods system which started in the 70s and really got going under Reagan, which consisted of high budget deficits with heavy defense spending, was predicated precisely on boundless growth of consumer spending. And since at just the same time unions were being undermined, globalization was expanding and the incomes of working families were sagging even as productivity steadily increased, the result was an explosion of consumer debt, along with unrealistically expanding mortgage debt.

So, yeah, until the fundamental problem underlying it all — sagging incomes and increasing scarcity of good paying jobs — is dealt with, it will continue to worsen. But the problem is an economic system that is broken, not people living beyond their means.

Stevie Ray

March 2nd, 2013
3:57 pm

Fred ™

March 2nd, 2013
3:50 pm

Res Ipsa Loquitor there big man….I guess I will write what substantive points I submit in a more appropriate grade level. That way, you may actually have to stay on topic …in this example if we can go back to the beginning, was your emotional response to my compliment of Kyle…

They call me MISTER JamVet.

March 2nd, 2013
3:59 pm

Yeah, get real meat @3:29, keep trying to convince yourself how patriotic you are all the while you’re trying to drown Uncle Sam in a bathtub.

I’ve got real bad news for you – non-Republicans are not as stupid and blind as you want them to be…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 2nd, 2013
4:01 pm

But the problem is an economic system that is broken, not people living beyond their means.

Yep.

http://prospect.org/article/industrial-policy-road-not-taken

Stevie Ray

March 2nd, 2013
4:02 pm

Fred ™

March 2nd, 2013
3:53 pm

I regret getting into a flame throwing contest with you…I found the criticism of Kyle out of line. I don’t like all his politics but I find him thoughtful and bright. Same as Jay, George Will, and any number of pundits on either side. Whether I agree or not is not paramount. Learning something is the goal.

I am a mathmetician which in no way shape or form suggests I’m to be confused as an intellectual. I’m just curious and question everything…

Doggone/GA

March 2nd, 2013
4:04 pm

“But the problem is an economic system that is broken, not people living beyond their means. – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=3#comment-1249002

They aren’t mutually exclusive.