Foreign governments with U.S. writers on their payroll?

This is pretty damn scummy:

“A range of mainstream American publications printed paid propaganda for the government of Malaysia, much of it focused on the campaign against a pro-democracy figure there.

The payments to conservative American opinion writers — whose work appeared in outlets from the Huffington Post and San Francisco Examiner to the Washington Times to National Review and RedState — emerged in a filing this week to the Department of Justice. The filing under the Foreign Agent Registration Act outlines a campaign spanning May 2008 to April 2011 and led by Joshua Trevino, a conservative pundit, who received $389,724.70 under the contract and paid smaller sums to a series of conservative writers….

Trevino’s subcontractors included conservative writer Ben Domenech, who made $36,000 from the arrangement, and Rachel Ehrenfeld, the director of the American Center for Democracy, who made $30,000. Seth Mandel, an editor at Commentary, made $5,500. Brad Jackson, writing at the time for RedState, made $24,700. Overall, 10 writers were part of the arrangement.”

You take secret, undisclosed money from a foreign government to write hit pieces in U.S. media against a man, in this case Anwar Ibrahim, who is struggling to bring democracy to his country and was beaten and imprisoned for years for daring to challenge the dictatorial government? (Russia has apparently run similar pay-to-say operations.)

Much of Trevino’s work under the Malaysian contract has been removed by the outlets that published it. But you can get a taste of its amoral quality from this piece that was published as a rebuttal to a Trevino column.

And here’s a Rachel Ehrenfeld piece, condemning Ibrahim for “careless sexual behavior” among other things.

We already know of course that “you can’t believe everything that’s on the Internet.” But paid agents of foreign governments masquerading as American journalists takes things to a dangerous level and says a lot about the character of those involved.

UPDATE: Among those named as receiving money from Malaysia in Trevino’s belated filing as a foreign agent is Christopher Badeaux. Here’s a small sampling of his Malaysia-related work at RedState.com:

“Najib Razak, the Prime Minister of Malaysia, has been on a more or less singular crusade to convince the Muslim world — and the West — that there is a path for moderate Islam in the world, that Islam does not equal terror, and that the taking of a life is contrary to Islam and civilization. His speech at Oxford was of a piece with that….

The salient point here is not whether we agree with the prime minister’s theological assertions, but rather we can appreciate the extraordinary effort he is making here, and the importance for the United States of his efforts.”

And:

In Malaysia, Anwar Ibrahim, the leader of Malaysia’s opposition, has apparently been caught in adultery, with video evidence that Dartmouth scientists say nearly certainly implicates him. The major dailies are calling on him to resign. For three years, after failing to topple the governing party in the 2008 elections, he has crisscrossed the planet telling anyone and everyone who would listen how corrupt and evil the governing party is. And yet despite all of this — despite his stated certainty that his opposition coalition of socialists, Islamists, and yuppie liberals is the only chance his country has to avoid certain doom at the hands of the centrist coalition that has been re-elected time and again in Malaysia, he has refused to resign.”

– Jay Bookman

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indigo

March 3rd, 2013
8:40 am

Corbin – 8:17

These types you are describing are great at “how do I know, the Bible tells me so” and “it’s my Constitutional right to own a gun” thinking.

However, when it’s time to take full responsibility for this kind of thinking, morally and financially, the excuses will come pouring out like water over Niagra Falls.

Not surprisingly, almost all of them are fundamentalist Christians.

GT

March 3rd, 2013
8:45 am

I would have loved to be a fly on the wall for that Friday meeting at the White House. I wonder if the subject even came up.

Stevie Ray

March 3rd, 2013
8:49 am

Rightwing troll

March 3rd, 2013
8:53 am

“0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
March 2nd, 2013
10:44 pm

“THEY want to dictate what the woman does.”

You mean like when “they” (the government) sent thousands of men to their deaths against their will ?”

Scout finally speaks out against W’s war of choice based his lies?

Stevie Ray

March 3rd, 2013
8:53 am

WOW, BO is racking up the Pinocchios!

Meals on Wheels
Pink Slips for Teachers
Aforementioned Janitors

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker

kayaker 71

March 3rd, 2013
8:54 am

Stevie Ray, 8:49,

Just another Bozo lie. Does this clown know how to do anything else?

Welcome to the Occupation

March 3rd, 2013
8:56 am

Stevie Ray: “racking up the Pinocchios!

Meals on Wheels
Pink Slips for Teachers
Aforementioned Janitors”

That’s some pretty small-bore stuff, no, Stevie Ray? :)

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think

March 3rd, 2013
8:56 am

Liberal,
While I consider your question off topic, I will tell you this. If I had known my daughter was sexually active at the time, I would have provided her with all the contraceptives she would have ever needed. No ands, ifs, or buts. That would have been my duty as a parent.

Rightwing troll

March 3rd, 2013
8:59 am

So for the last 4 years we’ve lived on a steady stream of fantastical lies, and right wing histrionics about that uppity man in the whitehouse, but now he’s out of line for indulging in a little of the same over the sequester?

You lying wingnuts REALLY have no sense of shame do you?

Stevie Ray

March 3rd, 2013
9:00 am

Rightwing troll

March 3rd, 2013
8:53 am

The idea that anyone feels the moral superiority to tell a woman what to do with her body is asinine. Women are best to make decisions for themselves.

Also, the incessant suggestions about Bush’s push into Iraq should be caveated with the fact that many on the left including Bill Clinton, were convinced said weapons existed as well based on same intel….In retrospect, I have hard time laying Iraq debacle exclusively on Bush et al. He certainly does get my anger by not withdrawing as soon as intel was proven wrong. The data was bad for a long time for simple reasons…

When all is said and done, Iraq will return to it’s previously corrupt self as Afghanistan is already doing. What a waste of our troops, cash and goodwill. If fact, we haven’t lost a life since WWII that was lost for meaningful purposes…IMO

Stevie Ray

March 3rd, 2013
9:03 am

Rightwing troll

March 3rd, 2013
8:59 am

The point of this forum is certainly not to exhibit shame…if so, all sides are more guilty than not. What is unfair about challenging the president on his dishonest, disingenuous, and underhanded efforts to sway opinion regardless of facts? Should your particular detractors forgive this dishonest behavior?

Stevie Ray

March 3rd, 2013
9:05 am

Welcome to the Occupation

March 3rd, 2013
8:56 am

Predictably, outside of his beige appearance, he is clearly no better of worse than those before him…I think that’s what happens when the incentives are completed opposed to doing what is right for all of us.

Bush, Obama…your face, your arse…any real difference?:-)

Brosephus™ - Very good, but brick not hit back

March 3rd, 2013
9:09 am

what about the responsibility involved in not getting pregnant with a child that you don’t want?

So, how long have you been celibate, or do you just call it practice for making kids?

:lol:

Rightwing troll

March 3rd, 2013
9:10 am

Well gosh! Using this particular subterfuge we can say that many on the right accepted the sequester… The big diff here is the rightwing acceptance of the sequester was not based on a pack of institutionalized lies and fabrications.

Jm

March 3rd, 2013
9:10 am

David Gregory doesn’t get it

There will be no more tax increases

kayaker 71

March 3rd, 2013
9:12 am

Perhaps all of you liberal sheep are satisfied with all of the lies that this presidential imposter throws around with abandon. He’s lying to you the same as he is lying to me. Doesn’t this bother you? Are you so ideologically smitten by this arrogant narcissist that even your dignity and self respect are in the bucket? It has nothing to do with his race….. a black man can lie about as effectively as a white one. This doomsday scenario that Bozo put out a few days ago is mostly lies, conjured up to make the electorate feel that they have to blame someone for their supposed plight in life because of cutting 85B dollars from an already bloated budget. He knows that they are lies. That’s the worst part. He knows.

Jm

March 3rd, 2013
9:17 am

Great job by John Boehner

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think

March 3rd, 2013
9:17 am

Kayaker,

I don’t get you. President Obama said it wasn’t going to happen all at once. Wait until April, and we will talk about lies then. You just have to get over this fear you have for President Obama, it’s bad for your mental health. Give it a rest, sir…you will feel better.

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think

March 3rd, 2013
9:20 am

Luckovich nails it again…go see…

Jm

March 3rd, 2013
9:23 am

Spelrling: goalposts are for moving

Stevie Ray

March 3rd, 2013
9:29 am

Brosephus™ – Very good, but brick not hit back

March 3rd, 2013
9:09 am

Not sure if you saw it yesterday but I wanted again to clarify that my comments about sleepless nights had nothing to do with the topic or your corresponding commentary. Simple pointing out that sleepless nights make me ornery….not suggesting any of our posts resembled ornery.

Cherokee

March 3rd, 2013
9:29 am

Interesting interview in Salon this morning.

http://www.salon.com/2013/03/03/in_the_real_world_we_were_kidding_ourselves/

Newt makes the point that Republicans have to offer ideas to make the country better, not just be the anti-Obama party.

I always think of that when i see some of the oh-so-clever comments about “Obozo.”

You’re just not going to win people to your point of view with your sophomoric insults.

Stevie Ray

March 3rd, 2013
9:34 am

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am…I think

March 3rd, 2013
9:17 am

It’s a sad state of affairs when political incentive exists for scoring political points via anguish of all of us. Whatever pain any of this truly causes that are not justified by waste, is regrettable. but it seems thus far, many of BO’s childish scare tactics are being exposed as, to say the very least, based on bogus interpretation of whatever research they actually conducted.

Of course it doesn’t have to be this way. $85 billion is no big deal if BO spreads to include waste he already identified in entitlements and allowing department heads and employees the chance to identify simple waste. Anyone thinking that 10-15% or more of our tax dollars (used primarily as leverage for more borrowing) are not wasted is in denial…

Brosephus™ - Very good, but brick not hit back

March 3rd, 2013
9:39 am

Stevie Ray

I saw that and meant to respond. My post was only because you referenced a timed post that I made. Usually, such action indicates a response to that particular post. I misread your post then. It was my mistake l

Welcome to the Occupation

March 3rd, 2013
9:39 am

Stevie Ray: “Predictably, outside of his beige appearance, he is clearly no better of worse than those before him…I think that’s what happens when the incentives are completed opposed to doing what is right for all of us.”

That’s basically correct in my view, and that’s what I come on here day in and day out arguing just that. The rot in this system is entirely systemic, not simply a matter of one party or the other — like Jay Bookman implies — .or even one individual — as many a Obama liberal supporter wants to believe.

Barack Obama in his very person embodies the disease of our political life, just as George W. Bush did before him, and just as whoever succeeds Obama will.

Which is not, mind you, the same thing as to yield to an absolute fatalism, since this dynamic can always change, as for example we saw fundamental change when our greatest presidents (and we’ve only had two great ones: Lincoln and Roosevelt) stepped up. But they did it by recognizing that radical times call for embracing radicalism, not fleeing from it, an insight that the current president has nothing but contempt for, thus the crisis continues to fester and escalate.

Stevie Ray

March 3rd, 2013
9:40 am

Cherokee

March 3rd, 2013
9:29 am

GOP are certainly sophomoric. That being said, what about all the BS scare tactics used by your guy?

That is more freshman game than sophomoric…meanwhile his supporters seem to want all his allegations to be proved true simply to prove a point and provide futher fodder for supporters to think of new creative nouns and adjectives to repeat what generally compromises this and other forums…that the GOP are the root of all evils..

Stevie Ray

March 3rd, 2013
9:41 am

Welcome to the Occupation

March 3rd, 2013
9:39 am

Right on…

Stevie Ray

March 3rd, 2013
9:42 am

BRO

No big…I was vague.

Now that that is over with…your views remain generally all wrong..:-)

Cherokee

March 3rd, 2013
9:46 am

Nah Stevie I didn’t say the GOP are sophomoric – just people who think they’re clever by slurring a guy who, like it or not, is President of the United States.

I haven’t seen you do that. As far as I know you haven’t called him Obozo, Oblamo, or any of the other childish slurs that get tossed around.

As to BS scare tactics? I don’t agree – I think that if you take $85 billion dollars that you planned to spend, and don’t spend it, there is obviously going to be some pain somewhere. Even if the spending is cut from what you would call ‘waste’, someone is going to lose a job. Someone is going to have less income than they would have otherwise.

And all that together, accumulated, will have an effect on the economy.

Rightwing troll

March 3rd, 2013
9:48 am

Had you expressed any sort of outrage or indignation over W’s 8 year long spree of lies, spending, and disaster, your current feigned indignation might have a shred of credibility Yakker…

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think

March 3rd, 2013
9:48 am

Stevie Ray,
I don’t believe President Obama is not using scare tactics. I believe he is pointing out how it will be in the coming months. That said, President Obama has offered entitlement reform to go with his desire to get rid of tax loopholes for the rich. Nobody, wealthy or otherwise needs tax breaks on private yachts or air planes. Record profit companies, like the oil industries do not need subsidies, and neither does agriculture industries. When the GOP starts to say OK to those things, then I will believe they are serious. President Obama campaigned on no Social Service cuts without revenue increases, and he’s keeping his promise.

Brosephus™ - Very good, but brick not hit back

March 3rd, 2013
9:53 am

Stevie Ray @ 9:42

Considering you stated that you don’t consider yourself an intellectual, I’d have to say that your judgement is based on faulty analysis. ;)

YouLibs

March 3rd, 2013
10:00 am

cherokee

from your link @ 9:29

“First, there was a belief in economic determinism, that you couldn’t have that level of unemployment and have a president get re-elected. So people just sort of had a bias that as long as the economy stayed bad, he would lose”

Newt provides more evidence that the republicans used the entire population as pawns in their struggle to regain power. Any fool who isn’t wearing right-wing noise machine blinders could see that all of their policies of the past four years were designed to stall the recovery so they could retake the White House.

The right-wing has become a cancer on our collective political body.

They call me MISTER JamVet.

March 3rd, 2013
10:06 am

The dramatic and relatively sudden meltdown of the GOP has certainly been interesting, but It will be even bigger fun watching the unfolding Cannibalfest between the Rove Wing and the equally delusional Tea Stained Wing of the Segregationist Party.

Given that they unapologetically want to neuter Uncle Sam, our federal republic and our system of laws, maybe secession is their best option…

Doggone/GA

March 3rd, 2013
10:13 am

“what about the responsibility involved in not getting pregnant with a child that you don’t want? – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=10#sthash.oy6Q3r4M.dpuf

Your responsibilities AND chioces change when your circumstances change

They call me MISTER JamVet.

March 3rd, 2013
10:20 am

The other day i saw a C-130 flying overhead and chuckled at the memories of sitting in a jump seat, cold, tired and beyond fedup with the insane roar of the props on a seven hour flight.

But it struck me as how different Uncle Sam runs things vs. the free market, which just cant seem to do anything right.

To wit, that airplane was introduced in 1956 and still does yeoman’s work for us fifty seven years later!

Versus the morons who designed and built the stadium downtown. Twenty years old and it isn’t up to snuff anymore???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk83c7tpLUQ

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 3rd, 2013
10:38 am

Kayaker 71:

“Are you so ideologically smitten by this arrogant narcissist that even your dignity and self respect are in the bucket? ”

Why ……… yes they are.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 3rd, 2013
10:40 am

They call me MISTER JamVet. :

I didn’t know Lockheed was “Uncle Sam” ?

BTW ……. saw a B-17 fly over yesterday ………. what a distinctive sound. I think it had just taken off from Peachtree Dekalb.

Thomas

March 3rd, 2013
10:43 am

Yeah- Apple and IBM don’t hold a candle to the efficiency of ol’ Uncle Sam. Let’s fold it all in and call it a day.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 3rd, 2013
10:49 am

“The U.S. Department of Homeland Security has customized its Predator drones, originally built for overseas military operations, to carry out at-home surveillance tasks that have civil libertarians worried: identifying civilians carrying guns and tracking their cell phones, government documents show.”

In addition to the DNA case they are now considering, this will be the next big SCOTUS decision re: searches.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57572207-38/dhs-built-domestic-surveillance-tech-into-predator-drones/

They call me MISTER JamVet.

March 3rd, 2013
10:50 am

The paying customer is Uncle Sam. He forces the company to get it right. He demands compliance with the specs, performances, MTBFs, all of it.

And even then, the private enterprises steal from him as often as they can with virtual impunity. (You neocons have ensured that Uncle Sugar is a terrible landlord and protector of the people’s assets, rights and remedies.)

Wake up. Our government of the people, by the people and for the people is not your enemy.

And though you worship them, IBM and Apple are not our masters, they are our servants. (Or used to be…)

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 3rd, 2013
10:50 am

Thomas:

To my knowledge “Uncle Sam” doesn’t have a factory anywhere except maybe the Bureau of Ingraving and Printing and they don’t make the machines that are used there.

The government is a service industry.

Brosephus™ - Very good, but brick not hit back

March 3rd, 2013
10:53 am

Apple and IBM don’t hold a candle to the efficiency of ol’ Uncle Sam.

Efficiency does not automatically equal effective. When Apple and/or IBM get more than 225 years of continued operation under its belt, then they could compare themselves to the effectiveness of Uncle Sam.

Brosephus™ - Very good, but brick not hit back

March 3rd, 2013
10:56 am

Scout @ 10:49

Does that put you on record as being against DHS/CBP using unmanned drones to detect people illegally crossing our borders?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 3rd, 2013
10:58 am

1) “But it struck me as how different Uncle Sam runs things vs. the free market, which just cant seem to do anything right.”

2) “The paying customer is Uncle Sam.”

I see:

The business is Lockheed and the paying customer is Uncle Sam.

Thank you.

3) Wipe egg off face.

YouLibs

March 3rd, 2013
11:01 am

Does this Bureau of Ingraving license undertakers or something? Not familiar with them.

(Too weak, personally, to just walk away from that one, heh)

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 3rd, 2013
11:01 am

Bro:

“Does that put you on record as being against DHS/CBP using unmanned drones to detect people illegally crossing our borders?”

I simply mentioned that it would be an important SCOTUS case.

“In addition to the DNA case they are now considering, this will be the next big SCOTUS decision re: searches.”

How does that put me on record as to an opinion one way or the other about the legality of such an endeavor ?

They call me MISTER JamVet.

March 3rd, 2013
11:06 am

Ah yes, IBM, Big Blue. The company that not only coddled the Nazis they actually assisted them in tracking the people slaughtered at Dachau and elsewhere.

Great example there, Tom.

Corporal, and weren’t you a longtime union thug member of that “service industry”?

Step One: Admit that you cannot control your addiction or compulsion for self-hate and hatred of our government.

They call me MISTER JamVet.

March 3rd, 2013
11:09 am

BTW, how was church today, corporal? Lots of smiling (White only) faces there this morning? What was the sermon about? The US Government is the anti-Christ?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 3rd, 2013
11:11 am

“Corporal, and weren’t you a longtime union thug member of that “service industry”?”

A couple of points:

1) Yes, I was a member of one military and three different law enforcement agencies.

2) Regarding the military one we didn’t “make” anything ………. we destroyed things.

3) Regarding the law enforcement ones we didn’t “make” anything ……… we served.

4) In none of those were we allowed under federal law to unionize ………. thankfully so.

NEXT ?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 3rd, 2013
11:12 am

“BTW, how was church today, corporal? Lots of smiling (White only) faces there this morning? What was the sermon about? The US Government is the anti-Christ?”

Wow ! Lots of bitterness and hate in that one.

Sad …….. very sad.

Brosephus™ - Very good, but brick not hit back

March 3rd, 2013
11:14 am

Simply asked questions. I like to know things as opposed to relying on assumptions.

They call me MISTER JamVet.

March 3rd, 2013
11:15 am

So you were basically one of those useless, lazy, overpaid, incompetent, lifelong, mooching government workers.

Just wanted you to get real clear about that.

Step Two: Examining past errors with the help of a sponsor (experienced member)

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 3rd, 2013
11:18 am

They call me MISTER JamVet. :

Thanks for the exchange.

They call me MISTER JamVet.

March 3rd, 2013
11:21 am

Corporal, you really are the PERFECT neocon.

You took all of those paychecks and all of those benefits for decades on end and then you berate, belittle and condemn the organization that provided you your livelihood.

Classic…

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 3rd, 2013
11:26 am

Bro:

“Simply asked questions. I like to know things as opposed to relying on assumptions.”

No ………. you didn’t read my response carefully.

That said, I am off to the dog park but will leave you with this and we can discuss later this afternoon.

1) Regarding the DNA thing, I support a favorable law enforcement ruling on that. To me, modern day DNA identification is nothing more than the earlier “photograph” (when that’s all they had) or later fingerprints. In the future it may be something else like the “iris” identification.

2) Regarding the Drone situtation that is going to be very complicated and just one court ruling won’t do it.

For example:

Was the rifle being carried already in “plain view” but the drone coverage enabled more “eyes” ?

Was the handgun being carried concealed and therefore not in plain view?

Was said handgun discovered outside a secure perimeter (in a lawful area) or inside a secure perimeter (an unlawful area)?

These are all sticky wickets that the courts will have to decide and as you know it will take years and years and get more and more specific.

I will say in closing that I have no problem with drones on the border detecting anyone trying to cross our borders illegally as they are not citizens.

Check your responses later.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 3rd, 2013
11:36 am

td

March 3rd, 2013
12:01 pm

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am…I think

March 3rd, 2013
8:17 am

So in other words, you are trying throw your pain on others because you were not responsible two times. Once in not raising your daughter correctly and that sin made her not raise her son correctly. And the second for not taken the second chance you were given and raising your grandson correctly.

Those are your responsibilities and you much live with the guilt of your actions. We have all made mistakes and make them everyday. The difference is do we take responsibility for our mistakes and strive to make sure they are not repeated in the future.

The problem with the left in the debate on abortion and life in general is that they do not want to accept responsibility for their actions, for their lack of planing for the future and want the government (all the people) to bail them out for the choice they make.

Instead of blaming the nation for the mistakes you made your message would have a far greater impact and be much more powerful if you turned it into the message of what not to do as a parent and how to teach your children to take responsibility and to critically think before they act.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 3rd, 2013
12:02 pm

Brosephus™ - Very good, but brick not hit back

March 3rd, 2013
12:10 pm

No ………. you didn’t read my response carefully.

Yes, I did. Generally, people post things because they have an opinion one way or another on the subject. Rather than assume or try to state your opinion for you, I thought I would be a man and ask probing questions to find out your opinion. That’s what any good investigator does.

The DNA may well become the new fingerprint, but I’m not sold that society is ready for such a thing. Fingerprints don’t give up one tenth of the information that DNA does. There has to be serious safeguards in place to protect that information. At this point, I don’t think we have the capability to operate and protect such a database.

As to the drones, I think they will be allowed but with limitations on their use. I see them as more of a S.W.A.T. tool as opposed to everyday patrol and surveillance use.

Thank you for offering your opinion on the border use of drones.

indigo

March 3rd, 2013
12:17 pm

kayaker 71 – 9:12

If you’re finished with all that hyperbole, maybe you can now list all of Obama’s major lies, with verifiable evidence, of course.

Doggone/GA

March 3rd, 2013
12:23 pm

“maybe you can now list all of Obama’s major lies, with verifiable evidence, of course – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=10#comment-1249676

Countdown to “look it up for yourself” in 3….2….1

Paulo977

March 3rd, 2013
12:23 pm

Keep Up the Good
Fight………………………”trot out Fox which often has commentators who fail to disclose on air that they work for a person or organization that has an “agenda” in the commentary”
______________________________________________________________

Unfortunately the sheeple believe every word without really thinking and researching the ‘facts’ !!!

indigo

March 3rd, 2013
12:27 pm

Doggone/GA – 12:23

nothing comes up on that

Brosephus™ - Very good, but brick not hit back

March 3rd, 2013
12:28 pm

Keep

Check out the Wonkblog link that Jay posted last night.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 3rd, 2013
12:28 pm

Well, the Rev. Postlewaite give a pretty good sermon down at the Church of Holiness this morning. It was about this poor fellow in FL that was sleeping and all of a sudden a sinkhole opened up beneath his bed and he went in, never to be found again. We was asked to think about what would happen to our soul if that happened to us. I don’t know about you, but the first thing I would do is tell myself I got to wake up from this awful dream and get everything normal again. The only thing worse I could think of is to wake up and realize you’re married to Aquagirl or somebody like that.

Anyhow, we’re headed to Ryans shortly. Just thought I’d mention that in case any of you was thinking about going there.

Have a good Sabbath everybody.

Doggone/GA

March 3rd, 2013
12:30 pm

“nothing comes up on that”

Well, if you want to see the fun with “look it up yourself”…check out last night before about 12:30. The chorus was in full cry!

They call me MISTER JamVet.

March 3rd, 2013
12:35 pm

I think I’ve figured out what td stands for. And it ain’t touchdown.

(And anytime some one begins their diatribe with, “In other words,” you just know you are going to need hip waders.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWdgiFzpolA

Keep Up the Good Fight!

March 3rd, 2013
12:38 pm

Brosephus, interesting. we’ll never hear the ODS sufferers admit the truth.

Brosephus™ - Very good, but brick not hit back

March 3rd, 2013
12:40 pm

Keep

The “perfect” will never admit fault.

:)

kayaker 71

March 3rd, 2013
12:44 pm

indigo, 12:17,

Google is your friend. I listed them yesterday or the day before in response to a similar question. This clown is the biggest liar since FDR. and what amazes most of us is that you sheep believe him.

Doggone/GA

March 3rd, 2013
12:47 pm

“Google is your friend”

20 minutes!

barking frog

March 3rd, 2013
12:48 pm

How can you prove a self generated opinion ? Can you
even prove an opinion ‘plagiarized’ from someone else
by referring to that opinion or crediting that opinion ?

getalife

March 3rd, 2013
12:51 pm

So we raised taxes in the wealthy, cut across the board and now some tough politics on the President’s agenda.

Our President wants to leave a Dem majority as the last piece of his legacy.

I

Doggone/GA

March 3rd, 2013
12:53 pm

“How can you prove a self generated opinion ?”

Well, you can show the facts that led you to that opinion.

Apparently Mr. "Jedi mind meld" is not 'some people', or perhaps he mis-spoke aka lied???

March 3rd, 2013
12:55 pm

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am…I think @ 9:17 am
Kayaker,
I don’t get you. President Obama said it wasn’t going to happen all at once. Wait until April, and we will talk about lies then…

Perhaps you’ve had a jedi mind meld moment? From above March 2 —

February 19 — Obama decried this “meat-cleaver approach,” which he said will “jeopardize our military readiness” and “eviscerate job-creating investments in education and energy and medical research.” The ability of emergency personnel “to help communities respond to and recover from disasters will be degraded,” Obama declared. “Border Patrol agents will see their hours reduced. FBI agents will be furloughed. Federal prosecutors will have to close cases and let criminals go. Air traffic controllers and airport security will see cutbacks, which means more delays at airports across the country. Thousands of teachers and educators will be laid off. Tens of thousands of parents will have to scramble to find child care for their kids. Hundreds of thousands of Americans will lose access to primary care and preventive care like flu vaccinations and cancer screenings.”

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 3rd, 2013
1:00 pm

…or perhaps he mis-spoke aka lied???

The smoking gun is the mushroom cloud.

We will be greeted as liberators.

They call me MISTER JamVet.

March 3rd, 2013
1:01 pm

…the biggest liar since FDR.

I guess that Tricky Dick, who departed Washington a total disgrace, the actor, dunce and fabricator Reagan who employed more criminals by FAR than any other administration in history and GW Bush, who was the most incompetent POTUS and greatest American failure since Hoover apparently never even existed in the modern GOP’s collective memories.

And all were consummate liars that made FDR look like a saint…

71 is hysterical.

barking frog

March 3rd, 2013
1:01 pm

Well, you can show the facts that led you to that opinion.
…………………………………..
Not if your are basing your opinion on someone else’s opinion.
Nor if your opinion is based on a multitude of facts that you have
coalesced in your own mind. Thus the use of ‘trending’ in social
reporting. Also who gave anyone the authority to demand proof
of any opinion. The tricky little demand for ‘cite please’ is just a
‘gotcha’ to deflect from the inability of the demander’s inability
to voice a legitimate argument.

Leadership, community organizer style

March 3rd, 2013
1:01 pm

‘IT’S CALLED LEADERSHIP’

Critics said Obama should have held meaningful talks with congressional leaders long before Friday’s last-minute meeting at the White House, which failed to prevent the automatic cuts written into law during a previous budget crisis in 2011.

“The president should call the senior representatives of the parties together to Camp David – or any place with a table, chairs, and no TV cameras – for serious negotiations on replacing the sequester with firm, enforceable beginnings of a comprehensive long-term debt stabilization agreement,” said former Republican Senator Pete Domenici and fiscal expert Alice Rivlin.

The budget veterans, who lead the Bipartisan Policy Center’s Debt Reduction Task Force, called on Obama and congressional Republican leaders to “be willing to tell those on the polar extremes of their parties that a central majority consensus will govern. It’s called leadership.”

After months of silence on political issues, Obama’s Republican opponent in last November’s election resurfaced to take a swipe at the Democrat’s handling of the sequestration mess.

“No one can think that that’s been a success for the president,” Mitt Romney said in an interview to air on “Fox News Sunday.”

The former Massachusetts governor accused Obama of “flying around the country and berating Republicans and blaming and pointing,” instead of striking a budget deal.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/u-lurches-budget-crisis-spending-cuts-imminent-005547865–business.html

getalife

March 3rd, 2013
1:03 pm

You will have to wait 10 years to see the consequences of the cuts but congress can turn them off at any time. He lost that fight because government is too large and there is too much waste. He did win funding government for a year and probably win funding government for his second term.

Onto his agenda and some really tough politics and votes.

Doggone/GA

March 3rd, 2013
1:04 pm

“Not if your are basing your opinion on someone else’s opinion. – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=10#comment-1249720

then you can show a link to that opinion. Or you can just flat out say “that’s my opinion” and let your listeners decide how much credibility to give you. I don’t, for instance, give any credibility to the opinion on how to raise dogs to someone who has never owned a dog.

getalife

March 3rd, 2013
1:04 pm

Speaking of failed leaders, the romney’s are still blaming the media but they just suked big time.

Erwin's cat

March 3rd, 2013
1:05 pm

20 minutes!

that must have been the “over”

They call me MISTER JamVet.

March 3rd, 2013
1:05 pm

Oh, and how could I forget another GREAT Republican hero?!

William Jefferson Clinton…

barking frog

March 3rd, 2013
1:06 pm

my 1:01
sorry got involved and picked up at the wrong part of
my sentence. last sentence should be
The tricky little demand for ‘cite please’ is just
a ‘gotcha’ to deflect from the demander’s inability
to voice a legitimate argument.

Erwin's cat

March 3rd, 2013
1:07 pm

what did i miss?….spent the morning infusing olive oil….now i need to tend to my vinegars

Doggone/GA

March 3rd, 2013
1:09 pm

“The tricky little demand for ‘cite please’ is just
a ‘gotcha’ to deflect from the demander’s inability
to voice a legitimate argument – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=10#comment-1249727

Not neccessarily. You can’t always frame a legitimate response if you don’t know the background.

barking frog

March 3rd, 2013
1:12 pm

Doggone/GA
. I don’t, for instance, give any credibility to the opinion on how to raise dogs to someone who has never owned a dog.
……………………………………………………………………………………………..
This would cost you the information from someone who gathered
opinions from many dog owners and distributed that information.

Doggone/GA

March 3rd, 2013
1:12 pm

“spent the morning infusing olive oil….now i need to tend to my vinegars – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=10#comment-1249733

What do you do, sit and stare at them…willing them to infuse better? ‘-)

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 3rd, 2013
1:12 pm

Brosephus @ 12:10

“I thought I would be a man ……….. ”

You keep bringing that up. Most men who “are men” usually don’t do that.

Just sayin’.

They call me MISTER JamVet.

March 3rd, 2013
1:13 pm

cat, I have no idea what that 1:07 means, but it sounds like fun.

Reading up on the dolt Reagan, I also determined where the “opinion” that “anthropogenic climate change is a vast liberal hoax designed to destroy American economy” came from.

You want GOP stupid? Check these two insane assertions.

“Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do.”

He also said that the sulfur dioxide emitted from Mount St. Helens was greater than that emitted by cars over a 10-year period. (In one day, cars emit 40 times what Mount St. Helens released in a day even at its peak activity.)

The brainiac Ronnie must have tutored that equally esteemed vulcanologist, Rush Limbaugh…

Doggone/GA

March 3rd, 2013
1:14 pm

“This would cost you the information from someone who gathered
opinions from many dog owners and distributed that information – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/02/foreign-governments-with-u-s-writers-on-their-payroll/?cp=10#comment-1249735

and it’s far more likely to “cost” me the information from someone who has no clue how to judge that information and who has not tested it, because they can’t test it. And if they got it from “many dogs owners” then so can I.

Erwin's cat

March 3rd, 2013
1:17 pm

What do you do, sit and stare at them…willing them to infuse better? ‘-)

hardy ha ha….I use a little heat to get it started…did a rosemary/garlic and a red pepper/garlic..
the vinegars are red wine and champagne…talk about a long stare

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 3rd, 2013
1:19 pm

Well, here you go ………. more “Arab Spring”:

“A new al-Qaida “guidebook” for extremists aims to incite homegrown “lone wolves” into carrying out small-scale terrorist attacks inside the United States and other Western countries, using materials as easily obtainable as motor or cooking oil, sugar and matches to trigger massive traffic accidents, devastating fires and deadly explosions.”

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/03/17161026-new-al-qaida-terror-guidebook-urges-young-extremists-to-think-small?lite

barking frog

March 3rd, 2013
1:20 pm

Doggone/GA
And if they got it from “many dogs owners” then so can I.
………………………………………………….
I cannot disagree with this so, proceed guvnor….

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 3rd, 2013
1:20 pm

Only by opening the box may we determine if the oil is infused with cat.

barking frog

March 3rd, 2013
1:23 pm

Kamchak
Only by opening the box may we determine if the oil is infused with cat.
…………………………………………………………
you have my sympathy if you try to infuse the cat with oil…

getalife

March 3rd, 2013
1:26 pm

scout,

Are you still scared of a small gang ?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 3rd, 2013
1:27 pm

frog

It can be done.

Special equipment needed:

(1) Kevlar body suit.