When the GOP’s tax myth collides with reality…

Wonder will people actually know that government spending has also decreased over the past four years as compared to the past 30?? People are unwilling to learn the truth for themselves………….

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A. Why does it stop in 2009? Might want to go get the 2010 and 2011 data.
B. You should probably do a pro-forma now that we have a 40% tax rate on the top income bracket. That data set will look very different after.
C. As always, you guys don’t separate out income taxes from Social Security and Medicare taxes. Those last two taxes pay for services received. If you strip those taxes out, for which a benefit (actually in excess of taxes paid) is received, then the picture looks very different.

http://taxfoundation.org/article/top-quintile-now-pays-94-income-taxes

In fact, the top quintile pay over 90% of income taxes.

There are lies, damn lies, and jaystistics.

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Jay, furthermore, the key point Republicans make that liberals ignore is this: the tax code is grossly unfair, absurd, and impossibly to comply with due to its complexity.

Republicans are advocating for a simpler, fairer, and ultimately lower rate tax code.

The dude who owns a bunch of show horses and yachts should pay as much in taxes as the Sam Waltons of the world who don’t blow all their dough on tax sheltered “investments”, which are really just lifestyle expenses.

Let capitalism thrive America, and we will all prosper. But first we have to wait out the end of the current occupant of the White House.

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One more thing –

My taxes just went up about 11%.

I totally don’t agree with the way Obama wants to use it.

He does not want and will not use it to pay down the debt. No, all he knows is spend, spend, spend. Give, give, give away.

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impossibly = impossible

happy Friday

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“Didn’t take long for the water carriers and Mayflower Van drivers to start trying to move things around.”

Goalpost mover in chief occupies 1600 Penn Ave.

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Closing loopholes to raise revenue, i think that is what the president is proposing.

Funny, didnt Mitt Romney want to do the same thing and didnt most of the Republicans vote for him.

I guess its who is doing the proposing

Meanwhile, all of us who work for private companies who have government contracts have a meeting on Monday. I dont expect it to be pretty. Thanks, Mr. Boehner.

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Bro. What the economic ignorants of the world fail to understand is there are significant differences between the impact of marginal tax rates and effective tax rates.

Marginal tax rates is how people make decisions.

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Now that taxes on the wealthy have been returned to
the Clinton rates we should raise taxes on the wealthy
to the Obama rates and, as Obama just said, cut entitlements.
This will allow the saving of Medicare once again.

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Marginal tax rates is how people make decisions

Well then, should be no problem closing the gap between the effective rate and the marginal rate since this is what is used for decision making anyway.

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It’s so sad to see for the first time in America we have a president that could care less about the hard working Americans that actually drive this country. Business owners who employ Americans, the successful Americans that worked their way to the top. All you ever hear from him is middle class Americans are his priority. Over and over again. His interpretation of a middle class family is also so out of touch with reality. It’s a shame he never thanks the people who drive the economy, who continue to fight even though their own president is against them. Only demonizes them. And it’s working. Low income Americans hate successful people in America more than any time in our country. Bill Clinton didn’t do it this way. This president could be great but the strategy of making low information Americans believe successful people don’t deserve what they have is terrible.

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Just goes to show that the faithful will argue with a chart.

Too funny

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“These are the most recent data available, indicating that every single income group is paying less of their income in taxes than at any point in the last 30 years.”

Uh, not exactly, at least not until you account for changes in the definition of income over these years under IRS regs.

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Stiglitz, krugman, and many other esteemed economists tell us that while the deficit is a problem, it is not the #1 issue right now – unemployment is! I agree, this deficit pr hype is driven by billionaire pete peterson and why is that? They are not satisfied with what they have, no, they want it all. More jobs, less deficit. I mean really do not people carry a mortgage on their house with 30 years to pay it off? All of the deficit garbage as soon as obama walks thru the door – the people reject republican obstruction, the election proved it…

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Marginal tax rates is how people make decisions

Really? I haven’t thought about mine in years.

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Kiss it Fred

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First three posts say it all-

I love data.

Jm

You might want to go to the Tax Policy Center website and read about the impact of SS and Medicare in those calculations.

“In fact, the top quintile pay over 90% of income taxes. ”

So are you saying the top 20% of households should pay 20% of income taxes?

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Your fair share, Reb. You got your fair share of the income too I guess.

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How about this reality Jay? But hey, we are in a recovery, right? And none of this has anything to do with Obama, correct?

“Americans saw their income drop so dramatically in January that it marked the deepest one-month decline in 20 years.

Personal income decreased by $505.5 billion in January, or 3.6%, compared to December (on a seasonally adjusted and annualized basis). That’s the most dramatic decline since January 1993, according to the Commerce Department.”

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woodstock

That is a crock, one thing about americans is that we want to make money and if someone is successful – more power to them! However, if the game is rigged for the wealthy, regarding taxes, then something has to give…

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“demonstrating conclusively, undeniably, that all of us are under taxed”

Glad you agree!

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Wow just saw boehner on CNN Is it possible to do a recall on some of the house seats that just got elected? I bet there is enough buyers remorse with some of the yahoos that you could probably remove a few of these anti tax nut jobs.

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Hi Mick,

That is where you need to do some research. No game is rigged for anyone. For instance, I come from a middle class family and have worked my way to become wealthy. Just got up every single day for the last 15 years and busted my butt. Now I am wealthy. Is that rigged?

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Byte Me: Really? I haven’t thought about mine in years.

That’s because you don’t have to make decisions as a member of the Moocher Society of America.

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Pat your self on the back Mike, you are full.

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INCOMES DROP MOST IN 20 YEARS…

Top left column drudgey spam.

Puppy piddle in 3…2…1….

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WOODSTOCK MIKE? Can I deduct from your silence that in fact you DON’T own a business and as such really haven’t a clue as to what problems face a business owner small OR large?

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is the Federal Wage Tax, (the table shown above), the only taxes the Federal Government taxes the American people on? Isn’t there others like Alcohol, Cigarettes, Gasoline, Capital Gains, etc.?

Excise taxes are shown if you go to the link at the bottom of the chart Jay posted. Shows that the lower quintiles pay a higher excise tax rate than the higher quintiles (2-3 times higher).

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What is glaringly obvious is that the bottom three quintiles’ share has gone from 41% to 19%. The top four have gone from 63% to 35%. The top quintile is roughly the same as 1983. The question then is who is not paying this famous fair share we all hear about? Any objective observer would have to say that if there is a revenue problem, it’s because of the bottom 80%

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I think tax rates should be what they were when President Clinton left office, maybe higher until the interest payments stop.

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dB @ 12:24

Well, when your transmission is stuck on stupid, you keep repeating yourself.

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Paul @ 12:26

I’d have to add what I stated earlier to your post. Seems as though the GOP/Conservative people would be happy that their 30-40 year quest for people to “keep more of their own money instead of giving it to the government” has been so very successful. Almost half of America legally have no fed income tax liability, which means they get to keep more of their money. Corporations are seeing more and more tax returns with zero liability as well. For some odd reason, they don’t want to recognize the overwhelming success of their efforts. I wonder why?

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Seems we need to revisit the tax rate of everyone.

Not just the wealthiest Americans.

Look at the graph everyone has seen their tax rate drop by at least 6% point.
While the bottom 3 have all seen a more than 7% drop.

All while the wealthiest have seen their rate drop by less than 4%

With that information why is it the wealthiest who’s rates we discuss.

Any politicians on either side proposing raising everyone’s tax rates.

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“tax the high income people more”

As opposed to what, tax the poor more? THAT’LL work! /sarc

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Jay, you have got to be kidding me? The reality is that our federal govt. has a massive spending problem and our country is going broke. I spent time in Spain recently, their unemployment is up over 26%. That is what socialist entitlement spending does to a nation and it’s economy.

What I want to know is, how can you sleep at night knowing you’re carrying water for this incredibly incompetent and now we find out, outright liar. At least guys like Woodward, Lanny David, and Fournier have the journalistic integrity to call out Obama and his admin on their lies and intimidation of reporters. You should be ashamed.

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Mick,

Again, you are blinded by your politics. I have no issue at all with my taxes. I paid around 150K in federal income tax alone for 2012. I feel like that is my fair share. What are your thoughts? I haven’t complained once about my tax rate. Wake up man, quit making things up.

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Any objective observer would have to say that if there is a revenue problem, it’s because of the bottom 80%

Any objective observer would say that the GOP has been quite successful at helping people keep more of their money, but it sounds as though you want to raise taxes on people.

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I think tax rates should be what they were when President Clinton left office, maybe higher until the interest payments stop.

How about until J-Reb stops crying about having to pay for them Union troops he imagines are still stationed outside his plantation?

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“That’s a pathetic little dodge to let you avoid having to deal with facts and reality, Sinkwich.”

Actually, Jay, I thought it was pretty good. But I’ll work on it.

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ByteMe – our Country is based on equal opportunity, not equal outcome.

That’s Obama’s objective, to rob peter, give to paul, so outcome if more even. And, make no mistake, it is robbery.

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Revenue As Percent Of GDP
Fiscal Years 1900 to 2010Year GDP-US
$ billion nominal Population-US
million Total Direct Revenue -total
percent GDP
1900 20.567 76.212 7.89 i
1901 22.269 77.680 7.62 i
1902 24.062 79.176 7.04 a
1903 25.93 80.701 6.82 i
1904 25.681 82.255 7.09 i
1905 28.788 83.839 6.62 i
1906 31.037 85.453 6.62 i
1907 33.851 87.099 6.60 i
1908 30.133 88.776 7.47 i
1909 32.229 90.486 7.31 i
1910 33.423 92.229 7.66 i
1911 34.343 93.523 7.89 i
1912 37.384 94.836 7.55 i
1913 39.14 96.167 7.61 a
1914 36.479 97.516 8.68 i
1915 38.675 98.885 8.56 i
1916 49.638 100.273 7.31 i
1917 59.702 101.680 7.13 i
1918 75.835 103.107 9.77 i
1919 78.333 104.554 12.03 i
1920 88.393 106.022 13.02 i
1921 73.603 107.626 14.61 i
1922 73.432 109.254 12.69 a
1923 85.414 110.908 11.46 i
1924 86.947 112.586 11.85 i
1925 90.575 114.290 11.68 i
1926 96.949 116.019 11.69 i
1927 95.544 117.775 12.78 a
1928 97.365 119.557 13.10 i
1929 103.6 121.366 12.99 i
1930 91.2 123.203 14.77 i
1931 76.5 124.071 16.48 i
1932 58.7 124.945 17.53 a
1933 56.4 125.825 19.14 i
1934 66 126.712 17.12 a
1935 73.3 127.605 16.98 i
1936 83.8 128.504 16.21 a
1937 91.9 129.410 16.90 i
1938 86.1 130.321 20.31 a
1939 92.2 131.240 19.14 i
1940 101.4 132.165 17.56 a
1941 126.7 133.966 16.56 i
1942 161.9 135.792 17.51 a
1943 198.6 137.643 20.19 i
1944 219.8 139.519 29.47 a
1945 223 141.421 30.24 i
1946 222.2 143.349 27.69 a
1947 244.1 145.303 25.43 i
1948 269.1 147.283 24.90 a
1949 267.2 149.291 24.55 i
1950 293.7 151.326 22.70 a
1951 339.3 153.917 24.32 i
1952 358.3 156.552 27.98 a
1953 379.3 159.232 27.62 a
1954 380.4 161.958 28.46 a
1955 414.7 164.731 25.66 a
1956 437.4 167.551 27.35 a
1957 461.1 170.420 28.01 a
1958 467.2 173.337 27.91 a
1959 506.6 176.305 26.26 a
1960 526.4 179.323 29.08 a
1961 544.8 181.588 29.14 a
1962 585.7 183.881 27.54 a
1963 617.8 186.204 27.89 a
1964 663.6 188.555 27.74 a
1965 719.1 190.937 26.92 a
1966 787.7 193.348 27.34 a
1967 832.4 195.790 28.84 a
1968 909.8 198.263 27.85 a
1969 984.4 200.766 30.46 a
1970 1038.3 203.302 30.92 a
1971 1126.8 205.515 29.06 a
1972 1237.9 207.752 29.55 a
1973 1382.3 210.013 29.60 a
1974 1499.5 212.299 30.63 a
1975 1637.7 214.609 30.14 a
1976 1824.6 216.945 29.99 a
1977 2030.1 219.307 31.07 a
1978 2293.8 221.694 30.59 a
1979 2562.2 224.107 31.09 a
1980 2788.1 226.546 31.77 a
1981 3126.8 228.670 32.48 a
1982 3253.2 230.815 33.10 a
1983 3534.6 232.979 31.23 a
1984 3930.9 235.164 31.07 a
1985 4217.5 237.369 31.95 a
1986 4460.1 239.595 32.27 a
1987 4736.4 241.842 33.40 a
1988 5100.4 244.110 32.86 a
1989 5482.1 246.399 33.24 i
1990 5800.5 248.710 33.23 a
1991 5992.1 251.802 33.07 a
1992 6342.3 254.933 33.07 a
1993 6667.4 258.103 33.39 a
1994 7085.2 261.312 33.51 a
1995 7414.7 264.561 34.27 a
1996 7838.5 267.850 34.85 a
1997 8332.4 271.180 35.40 a
1998 8793.5 274.552 36.25 a
1999 9353.5 277.966 35.83 a
2000 9951.5 282.172 36.93 a
2001 10286.2 285.082 34.30 i
2002 10642.3 287.804 31.00 a
2003 11142.2 290.326 31.03 i
2004 11853.3 293.046 32.83 a
2005 12623 295.507 33.62 a
2006 13377.2 298.109 35.10 a
2007 14028.7 300.733 36.86 a
2008 14369.1 303.380 32.48 a
2009 13939 306.051 26.27 a
2010 14508.2 308.746 32.47 a

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And, the Left’s answer – tax the high income people more. Just how idioitc and selfishess.

No just close their loopholes. Wasn’t that in the Republican platform last year?

I believe it was. And now they dont want no part of it.

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ROBBERYGHAZI!

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Dr. Ben Carson quoted it correct. Fixed percentages for income taxes, (10% for example, for easy math), for all wage earners. You make a $10 Billion a year, you pay $1 billion in taxes, you make $50 thousand a year you pay $5000 in taxes. Why complicate everything?, this is simple and everyone pays a fair share.

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“Income Posts Largest Drop In 2 Decades”

The gop want to cut income more.

Americans are not self defeatists like you cons.

The gop are going down for good.

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Why are dems so dead set on raising taxes. They have already got one tax increase. I guess they can’t help themselves but to keep giving out those freebies to their sheep…

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Mr. O’bama is a smooth talker. Thats why he’s president. I just don’t really understand all the figures and data sheets.Its way over my head. Its also hard for me to beleive the Republicans would want us to lose jobs and fall into a bad recesson. As far as taxing the wealthy, GO FOR IT, it sure will not be me. Besides the country is so deep in debt it will only be a drop in the bucket as far as cureing the trillions in debt we are in. In my many years on this earth I do know one thing, the more money we give Washington the more they spend. WASTE is a better word.

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Can someone please explain the concept of “proportional spaced fonts” to our “td?”

(I’d have thought he’d grasped as much back in the “rathergate” days but I guess he was off on a bender that month.)

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woodstock

What about your prejudices? I really hate being lumped in with all the folks you demonize daily. I’ve never collected one dime from the gov’t in over 45 years of working, yet I’m a taker? Damn straight I want that social security and all I hear is that it has to be cut. I don’t accept that, when it comes to paying creditors, the people should be first in line…

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ByteMe – our Country is based on equal opportunity, not equal outcome.

Agreed, but when those with the most tilt the table so that those with the least can’t get an equal outcome, then society eventually destabilizes. You think it’s an accident that the pay disparity between CEOs and common folks has widened dramatically over the past 30 years? The game has always been rigged in favor of the wealthy, but that rigging was kept in control through high tax rates on them… and once that disincentive was removed in the 1980’s, we’re seeing how well that’s worked out.

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td@ 12:35 — td just posted a bunch of numbers that he has no idea how to read.

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keith

“I think tax rates should be what they were when President Clinton left office”

Now you’re sounding like Jay, you old RINO, you!

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Three points JAY !

1) It is my understanding that all the Repubs. want to do is reduce the INCREASE in spending by 2%. I repeat ………. we are only talking about a reduction in the INCREASE of spending.

2) There is enough in waste, fraud and abuse to make up for that 2% easily ! Force agencies to do that !

3) The Pentagon spends trillions and trillions of dollars and they can’t even audit or account for those funds. The next proposed date for an audit of the Pentagon is 2017 !!!!!

4) Enough is enough.

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5) We will still spend more this year than last year !

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the private jets, the golf courses, the seminars and conventions.

not intended to be a factual statement

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i think part of the issue and frustration is that there is no accountability in washington.. from the fraud and abuse.. you can get busted taking money on camera then still say you didnt do it..

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I’m not hanging around in here today. Too much acid and agita in here today. IMO, it won’t end well.

I see the red cards comin’, they’re comin’ round the bend . . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folsom_Prison_Blues

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@Full Metal Jacket Quotes – I see the usual liberal crap, blame game. Don’t forget president obama promised 5 years ago and even a year ago, for balance budgets and spending cuts. You can’t blame the GOP or anyone else for the President not submitting a budget, that’s on him.

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Obama’s model is based on providing services to his constituents that are paid for by others. He demands an ever increasing piece of the American pie to pay for his posse. Obama’s fatal flaw is his disastrous economic platform. Bernanke spoke this week and predicted that unemployment will not reach 6% until 2016. Also this morning, the WSJ announced that take home pay for Americans had the largest annual reduction since 1959. If the economy was growing, business would be more tolerant of Obama’s wealth redistribution plays. Unfortunately, Obama is completely clueless about economic development. All you have to do is look at his humorous sequestration proposal that actually increases spending and does not define any meaningful cuts. The sequester is dangerous for Obama because he has been preaching that without Govt. spending, the nation will collapse. The reality is that Americans are about to see that a 2% reduction in Government spending is not fatal and in fact could be dramatically less painful if the President were to do his job and reallocate funding and cut bureacratic fat.

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Boehner is willing to let the middle class suffer from the sequester in order to protect his wealthy patrons from any further tax increases.

He’s counting on gullible cons to actually believe that asking the rich to pay a little more is “stealing from the American people”.

Unfortunately, America is full of such simple tools who eagerly believe anything their Republican idols tell them.

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Good riddance !

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How about a chart on this

how about you read what Drudgey goodness your fellow wingnuts have already spammed us with?

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Let capitalism thrive America, and we will all prosper.

October 29, 1929 says “WTF?”

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“I paid around 150K in federal income tax alone for 2012″

I’m looking for a career change. Please advise…

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ByteMe – Got ilk?
March 1st, 2013
12:34 pm

Really?
No?

We are discussing the graph we were given, there was no break down as specific as you now choose to use.

My point would still hold true we all need a tax increase.

Every single one of us has had a drop in tax rate unless we are in the top 20% we have seen our taxes dropped the most.

To make it clear for you:
Highest 1/5. 1979- 27.1—-
2009- 23.2—-
4th 1/5. 1979- 21.5—
2009- 15.1
Middle 1/5. 1979- 18.9
2009- 11.1
2nd. 1/5. 1979- 14.5
2009- 8.6
Lowest 1/5. 1979.- 7.5
2009- 1.0

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“Obama’s model is based on providing services to his constituents that are paid for by others. He demands an ever increasing piece of the American pie to pay for his posse.”

Red State whites receive more “services” than any other constituency.

You know, that’s such a tired old argument that resurfaces here almost daily.

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how does the ceo of genuine auto parts get a 30% compensation raise (nearly doubled during recession period) while laying offing 2000. sounds like his board is a bunch of back scratchers.

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Jefferson….you do not have the first clue. I am tired of being the wagon puller for half the country.

But you keep spouting your bull$hit…

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The Obama White House is just like the Nixon White House. Lies, coverups, bully the media, payoffs to friends and blinded by power!

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Hiya Frog!

I was trying to portray this — in a few succinct words!

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I cannot understand how any rational mind can propose
that someone making 10,000.00 per year should pay
income tax.

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Scout @ 12.49, thank you for reminding one and all that Presidential candidates tend to spout stupid crap while on the campaign trail, and JFK was no exception.

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ByteMe – the only thing stopping you from being a CEO is you. Don’t cry about what they make. It’s like a nurse complaining about the difference between what she makes versus a doctor. Be a doctor and shut up.

I own four companies, so I’m already there. But I’m also smart enough to know that just because I made it doesn’t mean it’s possible for everyone else to get there… and that if I overpay myself, somehow that’s going to make things better for those beneath me. Eventually, the masses rise up and take what they can’t get.

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Spending cuts as small as 2% constitutes a crisis.

More bull$hit…it is not even a cut, it is a decrease in the increase. My God man get you head out of your a$$!!!

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“Our Only ‘Entitlement’ is Freedom”

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cons cheering for going back to a recession is just another of the million reasons why our country must marginilyze these self defeatists for our country.

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So, nobody disagrees with my prescription @ 12.50? Good. Write your congrefsbitch and tell them, then.

See ya, maybe ’round FNM-time…

/drive-by

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Debbie Do
but I was visualizing…
DebbieDoRight –
Going Over The Fiscal Cliff In A Barrel, With (Nothing But)
High Heels On

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you may not like krugman, but the conservatives have not proven correct on war or the economy at federal level

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0311

That jfk quote has a limited shelf life…I think you’ve gone way past the expiration date…

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barking frog

“I cannot understand how any rational mind can propose
that someone making 10,000.00 per year should pay
income tax. ”

Yet that’s what we read here, day after day.

Recon

“These are the most recent data available, indicating that every single income group is paying less of their income in taxes than at any point in the last 30 years”

The data does seem to indicate that.

Do you believe it?

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paul

My girl out in plano just got transferred to orlando, she wasn’t making the money she did in miami…

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Mick

Aw, nuts… I was looking forward to seeing you.

But I’ve two kids in Orlando who we see regularly, so we’ll connect there, okay?

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“I cannot understand how any rational mind can propose
that someone making 10,000.00 per year should pay
income tax”

Hummmm ……………. well “GOD” required a tithe of 10% ………… from the richest all the way down to the poorest.

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If you cons want a recession like the EU, move there.

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Just wait everyone! The Bush tax cuts will send us into economic utopia! The midas tax cuts will turn everything into gold! All your dreams will come true! Its going to be awesome.

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When the GOP’s tax myth collides with reality…
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My only problem with this is it only gives the “federal tax rate”. This doesn’t include state and local taxes.
According to the website I linked to in 1980
Year GDP-US $ billion nominal Population-US million Total Direct Revenue-total percent GDP
1980 2788.1 226.546 31.77 a
1981 3126.8 228.670 32.48 a
1982 3253.2 230.815 33.10 a
1983 3534.6 232.979 31.23 a
1984 3930.9 235.164 31.07 a
1985 4217.5 237.369 31.95 a
1986 4460.1 239.595 32.27 a
1987 4736.4 241.842 33.40 a
1988 5100.4 244.110 32.86 a
1989 5482.1 246.399 33.24 i
1990 5800.5 248.710 33.23 a
1991 5992.1 251.802 33.07 a
1992 6342.3 254.933 33.07 a
1993 6667.4 258.103 33.39 a
1994 7085.2 261.312 33.51 a
1995 7414.7 264.561 34.27 a
1996 7838.5 267.850 34.85 a
1997 8332.4 271.180 35.40 a
1998 8793.5 274.552 36.25 a
1999 9353.5 277.966 35.83 a
2000 9951.5 282.172 36.93 a
2001 10286.2 285.082 34.30 i
2002 10642.3 287.804 31.00 a
2003 11142.2 290.326 31.03 i
2004 11853.3 293.046 32.83 a
2005 12623 295.507 33.62 a
2006 13377.2 298.109 35.10 a
2007 14028.7 300.733 36.86 a
2008 14369.1 303.380 32.48 a
2009 13939 306.051 26.27 a
2010 14508.2 308.746 32.47 a
2011 14958.6 311.592 34.05 e
2012 15601.5 314.123 32.90 g

Legend:
a – actual reported
i – interpolated between actual reported values
e – estimated by usgovernmentspending.com
b – budgeted estimate in US fy13 budget
http://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/revenue_chart_1980_2015USp_13s1li011mcn_F0t#copypaste

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Mick:

“That jfk quote has a limited shelf life…I think you’ve gone way past the expiration date…”

Nope.

Guess what?

I will posts even older quotes in the future ………. you know, from people like Washington, Jefferson, Jesus ……………

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“WASHINGTON MOCKS WOODWARD…”

BENGHAZI!!

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For those complaining about Obama’s out of control spending- You might need a little 9th grade civics lesson. All spending bills originate in the House of Representatives, which has been controlled by Republicans for about 75% of the time over the last 20 years. So I guess all our spending problems stem from the 2 years when both the House and the White House were controlled by Democrats? Or could it be that you just hate Democrats and have a difficult time with cause and effect relationships?

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“Jesus ……………”

0311, you got any good Jesus quotes on the rich people you love to worship?

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Brosephus

Did you note that at 12:51 I posted, “Have you also noted how the evangelical/fundamentalist Republican Right is now using their religious philosophy to try to change the tax code? It all sounds like tithing. “You have this much, everybody pays the same percentage.”

Yet if a Muslim proposed that, they’d be all over him for trying to impose Sharia on us….”

And at 1:06

0311 posted: “Hummmm ……………. well “GOD” required a tithe of 10% ………… from the richest all the way down to the poorest. – “

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Paul:

“Scout

You keep glossing over that minor point Justice Scalia wrote for the majority wherein they decided the right to a handgun in one’s home for lawful purposes is an individual right, not connected to a militia.”

Thank you …………. a “minor” point as you say and has nothing to do with WHY the 2nd Amendment was put there.

The American people are free through their elected representatives to draft new legislation regulating firearms. If the President signs it and the Supreme Court upholds it then it becomes the law of the land. If the Supreme Court rules the law is uncontitutional then the people are again free to alter, amend or even abolish the 2nd Amendment so as to make that law Constitutional.

That has NOTHING to do with why the Amendment was included in the first place which was to help ensure against tryrannical government.

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Obama’s “Jedi mind meld” mixes up “Star Trek” and “Star Wars”

He failed the alien test. I guess he was born on this planet after all.

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Do you believe it?

Paul, of course I believe it, after all we’ve removed about half from paying any income tax at all and in fact the bottom 20% is receiving refunds on income they didn’t earn. Add to that the 15% real unemployed along with the dramatic increase in those now receiving S.S. disability or other forms of government assistance. We have a federal government that borrows .40 cents for each dollar it spends. Do we have a revenue problem? Absolutely but its because of a shrinking tax paying base, shrinking earned income and spending that’s far out of balance with revenues coming in. We have to reign in spending, broaden our tax base and get this economy into high gear. The Obama formula just hasn’t worked.

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Paul 12:51

Not significantly

But what gets paid within quintiles by different taxpayers would change a lot

By design

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THE TAX CODE IS MAKING US FAT

REPUBLICANS FOCUS ON LOWERING TAXES
LIBERALS WANT TO RAISE TAXES

THE SOLUTION IS TAX REFORM

WHY DOES AN UNHEALTHY HAPPY MEAL COST LESS THAN A PLATE OF BROCOLLI, ASPARUGUS AND OTHER HEALTY ITEMS???

BECAUSE THE TAX CODE SUBSIDIZES ALL THE PRODUCERS THAT ARE INVOLVED WITH THE MAKING OF A HAPPY MEAL………. AND THE PRODUCERS OF HEALTHY VEGETABLES GET NADA

TAX REFORM………..

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Scout

You weren’t on the thread where Jay posted Scalia’s blunt dismissal that that reasoning is valid today?

He pointedly dismissed it.

So while you may like to stay a couple hundred years in the past with why something happened, you might want to think about coming into the present and seeing how that works in the present-day reality.

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By golly, I think I’ve just stated one of the impediments of our lalaland Republicans….

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“The Obama formula just hasn’t worked.”

Wrong, if anything its the Bush tax cuts that didn’t work and didn’t do as promised.

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0311
I will posts even older quotes in the future ………. you know, from people like Washington, Jefferson, Jesus
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proceed, governor…..

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…how much more money do we want to steal from the American people…

STEAL???

What a disgusting excuse for an elected leader.

Not to excuse the mental torpidity, nor the gargantuan lack of honesty of many of our Republican bloggers here, but it is little wonder, given that the leader of that cancerous, anti-American gang is a blithering liar and fool, himself.

But it is still a free country and guppies are allowed to believe – and parrot – their head nitwit as they choose…

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Have you also noted how the evangelical/fundamentalist Republican Right is now using their religious philosophy to try to change the tax code? It all sounds like tithing. “You have this much, everybody pays the same percentage.”

Yet if a Muslim proposed that, they’d be all over him for trying to impose Sharia on us….

Paul

I guess that’s one of those “it’s ok when WE force our religious beliefs on others” scenarios. Nevermind the whole do unto others advice that was given long ago.

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“Low income taxpayers are highly likely to underreport earned income

Namely related to cash payments

Someone’s tax return may say $10k but they probably make much more”

Is this typical Jm assertion and hyperbole or based on a factual study that will present in your next post?

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Jay, time to move on you’ve stepped in it in so many ways that you can’t or haven’t defined with this chart, cover your former SCIENCE self and move on (ex. #1 define the income limits for the Quintiles for the last 30 years and as usual you deal with “relative” numbers , what are the absolute numbers, mabye a lower % of a much higher number comes out to an absolute increase, FACT, you have NO idea of what you are even thinking). Personally, I don’t want the lowest Quintile in 2013, paying the % they did in 1979. You really never did read the Noise and the SIgnal did you?……Gotta go the NOISE is killing me!!

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so obama didnt say his stimulus was going to fix all the infrastructure problems just like sequester wasnt his idea. how can anybody take these liberals seriously when they are blithering idiots?

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“I spent time in Spain recently, their unemployment is up over 26%. That is what socialist entitlement spending does to a nation and it’s economy.”

Actually, this is what happens when tax avoidance becomes a national sport second only to futbol.
See also Greece and Italy.

Nations with vastly more entitlements than we have and center-left governments (Germany, Denmark, Sweden, the Netherlands, Norway, Finland) aren’t doing badly at all. But then, their citizen actually pay for what they get, and don’t grouse about it.

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Capital gains is counted as income and taxed in this country but Child Support, EITC, Food Stamps, TANF and section 8 housing supplements are not counted as income.

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Ahead of sequester, GOP open to closing tax loopholes

http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/03/01/ahead-of-sequester-gop-open-to-tax-loopholes-but-not-entitlements/

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BOSCH! Left this for you downstairs:

BOSCH!!!!

A fine pagan “HI” to you!

Just the prior thread Jay and I were sending out good thoughts of concern for you. And here you are. Check out the thread’s topic: we put our minds together, the sum became more than the parts and… you were pulled it!

Welcome back from your sojourn, padawan.

Your wit and screen cleaner have been sorely missed.

We don’t kill fatted calves anymore (well, most of us, anyway…) but this calls for a celebration!

Welcome back with the 21st century version of feasting and making merry! (but don’t tell her boyfriend)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pT79×4qM4FE&list=PL549EB9DBB2FF8C24

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obama told us his stimulus was going to keep unemployment below 8 percent. LIES. Said shovel ready jobs were ready to go, just pass stimulus. LIES. obama said sequester was a congessional idea. LIES. He lies all the time and people are on here supporting that liar. why???

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Wrong, if anything its the Bush tax cuts that didn’t work and didn’t do as promised.

I don’t know how far you go back but Bush inherited an economy going into recession largely due to the burst of the dot.com bubble. Bush reduced taxes and we weathered the economic hits to the nation caused by 9-11 and later Katrina. The economy did well and unemployment was low through much of Bushes two terms until the housing bubble burst causing the 08 crash. We haven’t recovered sufficiently and Obama’s policies once again haven’t worked as we’re still teetering on the brink of another recession.

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Liberals cant even keep up with obamas lies so they simply deny it. heads in the sand or elsewhere syndrome.

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http://www.marketplace.org/topics/life/irs-keeping-tabs-restaurant-bar-tips

Seems the IRS is concerned about a group who traditionally reports near the $10,000 mark that they feel are under reporting their income.

As someone who worked years in this field during college and from my experience it most certainly happens.

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Scout

“Again …………. we are free to pass new legislation and alter or abolish Amendments.

Is that current enough for you ??”

Just pointing out that whenever you go down your militia rabbit hole, the Supremes have declared it irrelevant in the current second amendment discussion.

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“That jfk quote has a limited shelf life…I think you’ve gone way past the expiration date… – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/01/when-the-gops-tax-myth-collides-with-reality/?cp=2#sthash.nREKDxWT.dpuf”

And the more you say that, the more he’ll post it. Just scroll on by and ignore it.

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“The economy did well and unemployment was low through much of Bushes two terms until the housing bubble burst causing the 08 crash”

The Titanic was doing great, too bad people focus on the crash.

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**The Titanic was doing great, too bad people focus on the crash.**

Good one, mate

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BOSCH I would post links to videos of obama saying exactly that but you wouldnt believe it even if you say him say it. you could watch barack obama rape a child and you would swear it never happened.

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keith

You have a cite for Pres Obama’s executive order to close Gitmo?

Any idea why it wasn’t closed?

A whole bunch of us here are really, really interested to hear why it’s still open.

Can you please enlighten us?

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The Titanic was doing great, too bad people focus on the crash.**
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it was the iceberg’s fault……..

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Wow did we just get a rape a child comment?

I have seen some things on here that may take the award!

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“…paradoxically,it is easier to construct a coherent story when you know little,when there are few pieces to fit into the puzzle.Our conforting conviction that the world makes sense rest on a secure foundation:our almost unlimited ability to ignore our ignorance”
D. Kahneman nobel prize winner in economics.
Thinking, fast and slow

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keith

You have a cite for Pres Obama’s executive order to close Gitmo?

Any idea why it wasn’t closed?

A whole bunch of us here are really, really interested to hear why it’s still open.

Can you please enlighten us?
– See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/01/when-the-gops-tax-myth-collides-with-reality/?cp=3#comment-1248230

king barry never intended to close it. he made a promise to his idiot supporters because thats what you wanted. he was elected, made a big deal about signing the XO then forgot about it and you.

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Paul! I chuckle to myself everytime I hear someone saying to “stop frakking!”

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“BOSCH I would post links to videos of obama saying exactly that”

Then please do.

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i am very happy with sequestration. glad its going forward. just wish it were bigger cuts. MUCH BIGGER

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Good Lord! Gitmo? Seriously?

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keith

Saw your 1:42 after I posted my 1:44

I believe the proper phrase is… “You don’t have a frakking clue, do you?”

oh, Hi Bosch!

That’s one of the few times I’ll get personal, but the frakking situation was too good to leave alone.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skAOLejB4BA

SHOVEL READY JOBS. OOOPS Shovel ready wasnt as shovel ready as we expected. his own words.

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“He lies all the time and people are on here supporting that liar. why???”

Possibly because some of us understand the difference between a projection based on incomplete economic data and a “promise”, and are also capable of recognizing economic improvement when we see it.

That’s just my speculation, though

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QE 4 EVAH

We’ve heard from cons that his executive orders are illegal, he’s violating the Constitution, etc etc etc.

So why wasn’t Gitmo closed after he issued the order, hmmmm? What stopped him, hmmmm?

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…by using his power to jam his ideals down our throats…

I have found that those who complain the most about having something jammed down their throats, are the same ones who will swallow anything.

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Boehner is half right. If we fail to INCREASE taxes, we are stealing from America’s children, grandchildren and children not yet born.

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I was trying to figure out the costs for the taxpayers for the 85 billion a month on QE but it looks like it is ongoing for our President’s second term since the gop are fixated on cuts and not jobs.

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Boehner is half right. If we fail to INCREASE taxes, we are stealing from America’s children, grandchildren and children not yet born – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/01/when-the-gops-tax-myth-collides-with-reality/?cp=3#comment-1248256

from the children and grandchildren of whom? Increasing taxes is govt theft of money we work for in order to give it to those like you too sorry to work. why steal from my kids and grandkids to give to yours just because you are too lazy to earn for yourselves?

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truth is such a relative term……….

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Recod numbers of people on welfare is not economic improvement. liberals have proven how well they lead in places like Detroit, Atlanta, California, Chicago. And they are using what they have learned in those places and are going national. The utter destruction of this country will happen if we follow their example.

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Mick…….of course it was…..and since you knew that and they knew that……what happened?

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One other thing, cat. Do you favor taxes be voluntary in this country?

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Paul:

“Just pointing out that whenever you go down your militia rabbit hole, the Supremes have declared it irrelevant in the current second amendment discussion.”

Irrelevant because the “individual right” is even more sacred than the “milita right” !!!

The “militia” was just another purpose. The “individual right” operates outside of the purpose.

That doesn’t change the historical fact as to why the militia was used in the 2nd Amendment as a “purpose”.

Following is a good synopsis of the ruling and the entire text if you wish to read them:

http://www.lawnix.com/cases/dc-heller.html (Synopsis)

http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/07-290.pdf (Full Opinion)

“The prefatory clause “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State” merely announces a PURPOSE (emphasis added). It does not limit or expand the scope of the operative clause “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” The operative clause’s text and history demonstrate that it connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms.

The militia consisted of all males capable of acting together for the common defense. The Antifederalists feared that the Federal Government would disarm the people in order to disable citizen militias, thereby enabling a politicized standing army or a select militia to rule. The Antifederalists therefore sought to preserve the citizens’ militia by denying Congress the power to abridge the right of individuals to keep and bear arms.

This interpretation is confirmed by analogous arms-bearing rights adopted in state constitutions immediately preceding and following the Second Amendment. Furthermore, the drafting history reveals three proposals that unequivocally referred to an individual right to bear arms. Interpretation of the Second Amendment by scholars, courts, and legislators from ratification through the late 19th century also supports the Court’s interpretation.

No precedent forecloses this interpretation. United States v. Miller limits the type of weapons to which the right applies to those in common use for lawful purposes, but does NOT LIMIT (emphasis added) the right to keep and bear arms to militia purposes.”

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They do take a lot of my money Jay.

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And that’s the thing QE, it wasn’t him that failed to close it, it was the weenies in Congress. Democrats don’t vote lock step with their party.

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anyone remember bush and mccain telling us fannie mae was in trouble? it was barney frank that denied it and prevented anything from stopping their collapse.

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Uneducated American Public Sinks Economy-
So tragic that we don’t know our true economic history and the taxation policies that made us great.
Here’s a great site to learn the truth…
Patriotic Economics-
http://PatrioticEconomics.blogspot.com/

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Geez my laptop is FREAKING out!

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obama never intended to close gitmo. it was a show for the dumbest of his supporters. many are on here now.

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Eventually, the masses rise up and take what they can’t get.

Its happened time and time again throughout history. I’m amazed that the people who are advocating for more riches for an oligarchy can’t see that.
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Yet if a Muslim proposed that, they’d be all over him for trying to impose Sharia on us.

Case in point, Bobby Jindal’s making public schools “voucher schools” and the giving out of 90% of Christian School vouchers — with 0% of Muslim schools getting in on the act.

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Y’all know keith is just trolling. Stop feeding the trolls.

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anyone remember bush and mccain telling us fannie mae was in trouble?

And part of economic security is owning your own home. (Applause.) Part of being a secure America is to encourage homeownership. So somebody can say, this is my home, welcome to my home.

Fannie Mae will establish 100 partnerships with faith-based organizations that will provide home buyer education and help increase homeownership for their congregations. I love the partnership.

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Sorry pea,

No lies on this blog so keith will be destroyed by facuts.

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“obama never intended to close gitmo. it was a show for the dumbest of his supporters”

keith is the most amusing poster we’ve got! You go, keith!

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“obama never intended to close gitmo”

He tried but they can’t be tried legally because of torture.

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Of course you can use Jay’s numbers to point out that the lower income groups have received most of the benefits of this reduction:
1st quintile 86% reduction in taxes
2nd quintile 54% reduction in taxes
3rd quintile 41% reduction in taxes
4th quintile 30% reduction in taxes
highest quintile 14% reduction in taxes

The result of this is while taxes have been lowered for all, the largest beneficiaries of this has been the lower end of the scale. I believe it was 2/3 of the “Bush/Obama” tax cuts were returned to the middle class and below which is why Obama embraced them. And this has been a significant part of the reason for our reduced revenues. We are pulling revenue from a shrinking taxpayer base so the impact of recessions on that upper level is more exaggerated than in the past. Putting 1 millionaire to work/out of work is more profitable/costly (from a revenue side analysis only) to the government that putting 1,000 people to work/out of work at $20,000 each. You can then form your argument around the benefits of each course of action (reductions in the cost/size of government, the compounding impact of the money from circulation, etc) depending upon your viewpoint. The fact remains that with a shrinking taxbase, we are more vulnerable as a society when we have this type of “progressive” taxation as we become dependant on the few.

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What makes you nervous is always the question are these people on the right that stupid or are they liars. Either way they are dangerous, but you keep hoping there is a better explanation than what it looks like.

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Myth or Reality?………the USA has an infinite amount of money

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“obama never intended to close gitmo”

got proof?

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“What makes you nervous is always the question are these people on the right that stupid or are they liars. Either way they are dangerous, but you keep hoping there is a better explanation than what it looks like.”

I believe conservatism is a mental defect in their dna they were born with. I believe the minds of these cons should be studied so our President listened and they will map the brain to find the defect and sell some pills for it.

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…the USA has an infinite amount of money…

Sounds like that prosperity theology that that charlatan Tilton preaches…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me2H7Ja93Wg

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Top of the chart specifies federal taxes. Bookman conclusion/interpretation below chart is simply taxes-no modifier. The chart source is tax policy center. What sort of organization is that?
Just asking because I heard Obama say during the q&a after his speech today that he wants to avoid clarity when answering questions. That lack of clarity (like lack of transparency) seems to be the standard operating procedure of this administration and its operatives .

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redcoat

Yes, in theory we do and as long we keep getting to write the rules everybody plays by…

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Bro,

Here is where your future furlough days are coming from:

“While the White House operatives may think this attack is clever, it betrays an astonishing elitism: the federal government is perfect and requires no reform. That is why they have no plan to make our government leaner and more efficient. The President had 18 months to develop reforms to improve the government, but instead he announced furloughs of federal workers as a political cudgel. Yet, his golf weekend at the yacht club with Tiger Woods cost taxpayers over a million dollars—enough money to save 341 federal workers from furlough,” Sessions writes. – See more at: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/senator-obamas-golf-weekend-tiger-cost-much-341-federal-workers-furloughed_704915.html#sthash.i4qGFH0B.dpuf

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keith

March 1st, 2013
2:06 pm

Many will do their crawfish imitation and say, “…well, that was on the campaign trail. I never expected him to close gitmo…or cut the deficit in half…or provide shovel ready jobs…or make the admin the most transparent in history…it was all just campaign rhetoric…not to be taken seriously…”

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“It depends on how long,” Mr. Bloomberg said on his weekly WOR radio show with John Gambling. “If it lasts a few weeks, no. If it does, yeah. We get 10 or 12 percent of our budget from the federal government, not all of that is going to be cut back, but there would be effects–not good effects. But in the context of, ‘Is anything going to change tomorrow? Are we going to run out of money tomorrow?’ I’m sure I’ll get that question at the [next] press conference. No.” Bloomberg

He bought into the government is run like a household budget but it is more complicated than that.

Household budgets do use credit to buy cars, houses, college, vacations, etc… and very middle class few pay cash .

The global economy is dependent on bank lending and revenue from the banks. If you learned anything from the collapse you should know this fact.

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Deficit?

Did someone just mention deficit?

Which brings us to the economic level. The deficits that Bush ran up in the years in which the country was teetering on the verge of a serious recession had the beneficial effect of righting the economy. In that sense, deficits not only didn’t matter, but were a force for economic good.

Translation: IOKIYAR

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“No. We just have a credit card with no limit”

Not true. Our “credit card” is limited by the ability to sell our bonds. If other countries and companies stop buying, that’s when our limit hits.

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“Ooops this is a Obama supporting corporation so it must be good for them to horde their cash. ”

Someone on this blog or elsewhere said that or is this one of your many, typical ASSumptions?

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If the government can “borrow” as much as they want……..why don’t they “borrow enough to make everybody rich?

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Has anyone lost their job today? I read somewhere that we could lose 170 Million jobs…i’m trying to keep count and charting it

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red,

That would be mooching.

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getalife………so it would be ok by you then?

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and how much has been eroded away due to inflation and over spending?

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Mick

March 1st, 2013
2:34 pm

td

I guess once you become president you should just be a shut in and no vacations allowed??? Ridiculous…

Is it not true that the President had just come off of a 2 week vacation in Hawaii? President’s should take vacations but when they are out talking about how many Federal employee’s are going to be furloughed then maybe they should make a few sacrifices themselves?

If I remember correctly, when Georgia was furloughing employees then the Governor, legislature and all the Department heads also took them to show shared sacrifice.

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bman.

March 1st, 2013
2:35 pm

Ask Maxine Waters, I bet she’ll know! She really seems to have a grasp of the numbers!

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“No one in their right mind believes that the biggest spending President in our nations history – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/01/when-the-gops-tax-myth-collides-with-reality/?cp=4#comment-1248321”

The President can only spend what Congress approves. So what you are REALLY saying is “the biggest spending CONGRESS in our nations history”

You just don’t know it and won’t admit it.

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TBS – Someone on this blog or elsewhere said that or is this one of your many, typical ASSumptions?

or maybe not…I can’t speak for the source though

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57503053-38/microsoft-google-folks-are-top-sources-for-obama-funds/

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“getalife………so it would be ok by you then?”

No but you cons are moochers.

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Bosch – is that really you? I want a full report.

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td

Hey it’s a tough job, it was presidents day weekend and besides the presidency is a 24/7 job, thats what they said when the previous guy was shuttling back to texas every other weekend…

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“The Federal Reserve Bank can buy an unlimited amount of Treasury
Securities – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/01/when-the-gops-tax-myth-collides-with-reality/?cp=4#comment-1248339”

Buy them from whom? Federal Treasury Securities are bought and sold on. Someone has to buy them for them to be worth anything.

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Mick

March 1st, 2013
2:45 pm

td

Hey it’s a tough job, it was presidents day weekend and besides the presidency is a 24/7 job, thats what they said when the previous guy was shuttling back to texas every other weekend…

Hey, he should have known that when he applied for the job! Don’t whine about its rigor, now.
Isn’t that basically what RB was told this morning, in no uncertain terms?

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Doggone/GA
Buy them from whom?
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From the US Treasury.

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“If I remember correctly, when Georgia was furloughing employees then the Governor, legislature and all the Department heads also took them to show shared sacrifice.”

I do remember correctly, both Sonny Perdue and Nathan Deal have spent almost half their time in office traveling to foreign countries. Perdue should have bought a Bejing apartment he was in China so much, most likely making connections for his shipping business.

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EC

td’s assertion was that it was ok for Google to horde money because they were an Obama supporting company. I didn’t challenge the fact that they donated to Obama, but who asserted that it was ok because of blah, blah, blah. It was td who asserted it. No one else.

As for donations. You can go to opensecrets. Google gives more money to Democrats as a company. Through their various PACs they give about an equal amount to both parties

So I ask you, who asserted that it was ok because of blah, blah, blah?

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So I ask you, who asserted that it was ok because of blah, blah, blah?

td?

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“thats what they said when the previous guy was shuttling back to texas every other weekend… ”

Previous guy is off limits. He is only to be brought up if it is by someone on the right and in a favorable light.

Just an FYI: if those same people want to bring up any past Democrat President then it is a ok.

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Someone please explain how California sends so many female whacko’s to Congress?

Nancy, Barbra, Dianne, Maxine, Henry (OK, I’m not sure about Henry’s true sexual orentation, but he acts like a girl).

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Yeah, 48 billion can bribe pols globally.

Don’t hate the player, hate the legal bribery system.

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“the Dems in the Senate have refused to pass a budget or appropriation bills then it is either continuing resolutions – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/01/when-the-gops-tax-myth-collides-with-reality/?cp=4#comment-1248360”

A budget has no force of law, does not require the President’s signatur and is, essentially, a bit of “feel good” legislation that means NOTHING.

And they HAVE passed appropriations bills or the government would ALREADY be shut down. It isn’t, it’s still being funded.

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Marty @ 1:49

I honestly have no idea of the number. Let that be my first statement.

If they are eligible then wouldn’t that mean many (this is the # I don’t know) would not be paying taxes on food?

That’s one possibility. You may also wish to consider that you may have multiple people with small incomes sharing the same living space. Together, their incomes might be enough to keep them off welfare as it currently stands although they might qualify if they used their own incomes. If you take additional money, that might be the point that pushes them onto the welfare rolls.

It’s not something that’s black and white, cut and dry. There are too many different variables to catch every single possibility into such a small statement. I appreciate your honesty at the beginning of your statement. Far too many make themselves appear to be the “subject matter expert” when they don’t really know stuff. I’m probably guilty of the same thing, although I have no problem at admitting I don’t know everything about everything.

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Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 1st, 2013
2:51 pm

Hey, I’m just repeating one of the looney left. Take it up with Maxine!

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Well, it’s a shame when the guvmint steals so much from us. Why, I heard the other day about a rich man that showed up at Whole Foods wearing just a pair of flip-flops and a cap. He paid so much in taxes he couldn’t even afford a towel to cover up his You Know What, which was drawing alot of stares from other people. I just hope he don’t run into that welfare queen with the six kids wearing Gucci loafers and Guess jeans and riding in a new Cadillac.

Anyhow, the boss down at the warehouse says we don’t need to worry about no sequester. People keep right on drinking beer even if they can’t afford it. They drink it to sellabrate and they drink it to drown their sorrows and they drink it for everything in between. I bet you half of the people on this blog have beer bottles piled up in the trash can next to their PCs. Got to have. It’s the only thing that could explain some of the posts I read.

Have a good p.m. everybody.

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reb,

Still attacking women?

Your party passed the violence against women act so you can stop attacking women con.

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For example; Treasury issues a bond. Federal Reserve buys with a credit.
On this government asset the Federal Reserve can issue Notes(dollars)
and monetize the debt. This can be done infinitely. It is why Ron Paul hates
the Fed – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/01/when-the-gops-tax-myth-collides-with-reality/?cp=4#comment-1248367

It’still like any other such kinds of bonds, it’s all paper until someone actually pays money for it. I’m very well aware of some of the fancy bookkeeping done in Washington, but the Fed is just one way to do it. If the Fed didn’t exist…alal RP…they’d just find another way.

Check into the history of the last “sequestration” bill passed and how they danced around to keep from actually have to “sequester” anything.

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Reb,

Yeap, me in the flesh! I’m back Jack! Well, for now, but I’m thinking a map sounds good about now!

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I think I posted this the other day, but what the heck it’s worth repeating.

Pinocchio, Snow White, and Superman are out for a stroll one day. As they walk, they come across a sign: Beauty contest for the most beautiful woman in the world. I am entering said Snow White. After half an hour she comes out and they ask her, Well, how’d ya do? First Place, said Snow White

They continue walking and see a sign: Contest for the strongest man in the world. I’m entering, says Superman. After half an hour he returns and they ask him, How did you make out? First Place, answers Superman. Did you ever doubt?

They continue walking when they see a sign: Contest! Who is the greatest liar in the world? Pinocchio says, This is mine. Half an hour later, he returns with tears in his eyes.

What happened they ask? Who the hell is Obama, asks Pinocchio.

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“Check into the history of the last “sequestration” bill passed and how they danced around to keep from actually have to “sequester” anything.”

I doubt the cons will do any research but it is interesting and informative.

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QE,

So you gonna tell me next that “they” was born in Kenya? Because that’s what I’ve heard.

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The President can only spend what Congress approves. So what you are REALLY saying is “the biggest spending CONGRESS in our nations history”

You just don’t know it and won’t admit it.
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td: I guess that means you are for a total shutdown of the government?
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That td – a master of con logic…why do so many cons reason in this way (and I use the term “reason” loosely)?

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Hey, I’m just repeating one of the looney left.

Really? Let’s go to the WABAC machine then and verify that, shall we?

But, Rove only missed it by a couple million! Waters on the other hand put the entire nation out of work! Say what?

Now, in what part of that post are you “just repeating one of the looney left”, sport?

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Obama has continually warned us that the catastrophe of sequestration included cutting Meals on Wheels, Head Start, meat inspections, air traffic controllers, police, fire and 911 operators if the government reduces the rate of increase of federal spending by 2 percent. Since this two percent obviously covers all esential government spending, let’s cut the other 98 percent!

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getalife – glad you enjoyed it.

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Doggone/GA………doesn’t the President sign those bills? They all want to be re-elected and spending is the easiest way.

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reb

That was quite juvenile and not worthy for even that age group…stick to what you know and that is?

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The cons still swallow every word from failed rw media and a failed party.

It cracks me up when td cites Jeff Sessions, like the good Senator actually sat down with a calculator and figured up costs on Federal workers.

More likely it was Sen. Session’s Chief of Staff, or Assistant Chief of Staff, or one of his two office assistants, or his Communication Director. But then they probably delegated the task to the Scheduler, Executive Assistant, or one of his several other various Assistants.

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Don’t whine about its rigor, now.

Unless I am wildly mistaken, Obama is not whining about it, or anything else that I’m aware of.

The Obama haters however are endlessly whining about him. As in everything about him, his wife, his children, his past, present and future, what he does, what he doesn’t do, his vacations, wishing he went on more vacations, his appearances, his non-appearances, his speaking out, his not speaking out, his every sleeping and waking moment and of course that he had nothing to do with killing Osama bin Laden.

That doesn’t even begin to cover the derangement syndrome, but you get the idea!

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Liberals have no sense of humor.

Which explains why 99% of the world’s most favorite comedians are………………..?

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“That doesn’t even begin to cover the derangement syndrome, but you get the idea!”

BENGHAZI!!!

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getalife…….you defined mooching as taking “borrowed” money from the government….so it must be ok then…….to be a moocher……right?

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Danny, Ben Gazi is the ODS gang’s new Fast and Frumious Bandersnatch…

(Wasn’t he the guy in the Lewis Carrol poem Jabberwocky who dressed up like BHO and sold guns to the Mexican narcoterrorists? Or am I mistaken about that?)

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“EUROZONE JOBLESS HITS ANOTHER RECORD…

Italy hits 21-year high…

26.2% in Spain…

Britain slides toward new recession..” drudgey.

This is what the cons want.

They are self defeatists.

Never ever listen to a con and take them seriously.

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The Obama haters however are endlessly whining about him. As in everything about him, his wife

A.k.a. the “first battle axe”

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“What happened to that “taking it one line at a time” talk I recall our President lured us with – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/01/when-the-gops-tax-myth-collides-with-reality/?cp=5#sthash.3TLfUqCl.dpuf”

If you were dumb enough to believe that, I can’t help you. The President does not have any sort of “line-item” control and if you read the Constitution, he won’t ever have without a Constitution amendment.

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i before s

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So you gonna tell me next that “they” was born in Kenya? Because that’s what I’ve heard.

No, I’m telling you what the dem reps said. Obama and his advisors did not push to close Gitmo. Obama bit off more than he could chew. Now he and those who believed him will have to choke on it.

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stands, regarding “Moochele”, most of our cons are pigs.

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The gop know austerity failed in Europe but want it anyway.

The gop are country last.

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in the middle
http://paidtoblogdaily.com -this may help…

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Finally, he suggested that austerity in a depressed economy may well be self-defeating even in purely fiscal terms: “Besides having adverse effects on jobs and incomes, a slower recovery would lead to less actual deficit reduction in the short run for any given set of fiscal actions.”

“So the deficit is not a clear and present danger, spending cuts in a depressed economy are a terrible idea and premature austerity doesn’t make sense even in budgetary terms. Regular readers may find these propositions familiar, since they’re pretty much what I and other progressive economists have been saying all along. But we’re irresponsible hippies. Is Ben Bernanke? (Well, he has a beard.) ” Krugman on Bernanke.

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My bad…

That’ll do, pig. That’ll do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjQtzV9IZ0Q

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“but does NOT LIMIT (emphasis added) the right to keep and bear arms to militia purposes.”

Oh, all right, Scout. Sigh… I’ll ask…

What are you going to do with this militia you keep on about?

March into a VA Hospital, yell Semper Fi and kill a bunch of doctors working for the tyrannical federal government?

Shoot up a control tower because the feds are taking over the airspace?

Break into a Centers for Disease Control research lab and kill the doctors because they’re working on germ warfare to let loose on the population when the tyrants give the orders?

or hopefully, you’ll just put on camo and pretend they’re BDUs and you’ll limit your guerrilla activities to running around the woods with a paintball gun -

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http://blogs.ajc.com/mike-luckovich/2013/02/28/0301luckovich-cartoon-best-seller/?cxntfid=blogs_mike_luckovich

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In the middle, are you one of those in the middle rabid Republicans?

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Paul- I plan on using my to repel zombie invaders. and……..if ever necessary, defend myself and my family which I pray never happens.

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They call me MISTER JamVet. – Not rabid at all, just have my values and beliefs, sometimes they go left and sometimes they go right. Depends on the topic.

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MUSIC PLEASE!!!!

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CONS will cave ….LOSERS…

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Revenue means nothing if wasteful and unnecessary spending is not stopped. Is that so hard to understand?

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I became a fiscal conservative during my professional career. Started at the lowest level in a company and worked my way up the ol’ corporate ladder. I became furious when I saw how exec’s spent money without regard to the hard work that went into generating that money. I felt that the guys at the top had no consideration for the effort that the guys at the bottom went through, working overtime, weekends, holidays,bithdays and on and on while the top echelon spent the money that resulted from that work as if it were nothing. I have no respect for anybody that doesn’t appreciate the effort it takes to get money for the company or money for the governemnt.

If this makes me a rabid republican, than so be it.

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16.5 TRILLION IN DEBT,47 MILLION ON FOOD STAMPS,REAL UNEMPLOYMENT 10.6 % MINORITIES 25%,1 TRILLION MORE DEBT IN 2013 WITH MORE ON THE WAY.
Jay,Stop with the fictional numbers game.
Anyone really interested in the truth should go to all the empty strip centers around this town and this country to find out the dismal condition our economy is in.
As long as you and your cohorts continue carry Obama’s water you’ll be considered by many as just another group of “useful idiots” and flunkies for the Democrat Party.

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“If this makes me a rabid republican, than so be it. – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/01/when-the-gops-tax-myth-collides-with-reality/?cp=5#comment-1248447”

Well, I’m a “rabid Democrat” and I agree with everything you said. But I learned a long, LONG time ago that there’s nothing I can do about it. I’m working right now for a company I despise, but you know what? They pay me well and I do a good job for them because they do. How I feel about them has nothing to do with that. Time’s too short to waste it worrying about what I can’t control. Been there, done that. Never got a T-Shirt…but I have much greater peace of mind since I stopped that kind of worrying.

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“Be careful conservatives you might get a an email stating you will REGRET talking bad about Obama.”

REGRETZI!!!

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He keeps saying this. Who, exactly, is he trying to convince?

kinda like “I am not a crook”…or “I did not have relations with that woman”

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weeniebkind, Woodward’s histrionics are old news…

You guys need a new, even more impotent, poutrage about the leader of the free world that you despise…

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youze guys know there are BOOZIE MUSIC SHEETZ up, right?

just checkin’.

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‘I am not a dictator’…Barack Obama on 3/1/13 COMPLAINING

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Now that the Pope has stepped down, Obama is the only one who is infallible.

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kinda like “I am not a crook”…or “I did not have relations with that woman”

Which would be great if Obama weren’t about the furthest thing from a dictator.

Whereas, well, Bill really did have sexual relations with that woman, and Nixon really was a crook.

headin’ back upstairs for a bit.

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TM
If you do the math every one but the rich got a substantial tax break over the years, The bottom rate was reduced by 85%. Who paid for their tax breaks? ,
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government cutbacks…

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JamVet -freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose…

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td @ 2:28

Wow! Talk about looking for affirmation in an echo chamber… A right leaning paper has a quote from a right leaning congressman and you believe it with every cell of your body.

Did Sessions also acknowledge that Congress had 18 months to write and pass debt reduction legislation for Obama to sign? Had they given him such legislation that only needed his signature, then he would have room to point fingers. As it stands now, Congress has not done their job, so any blame resides with 535 jackasses, both right and left. If Sessions actually knew anything about the Constitution, he would not have pointed fingers. If you knew anything about the Constitution, you would not have quoted him.

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Liberal Pariah

March 1st, 2013
4:13 pm
Now that the Pope has stepped down, Obama is the only one who is infallible.
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When asked after his first term if he had made any mistakes, Obama said he couldn’t think of any. Oh wait, that was Bush.

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frog,

For me, this song still has a mountain of emotional power connected to it…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3JnexsN4oc

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We should sequester Congress and make them watch reruns of ‘Keeping Up WIth The Kardashians’ until they do their job.

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say…good one

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Obama is certainly a screw up. As noted a couple of days ago, he is a better Republican than George was. Bush was a screw up times 10. (But you already knew that!)

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Mick

March 1st, 2013
12:39 pm
woodstock

What about your prejudices? I really hate being lumped in with all the folks you demonize daily. I’ve
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Mick, honestly, don’t you do that to “cons” everyday?

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