When the GOP’s tax myth collides with reality…

The myth:

“The revenue issue is now closed…. You’re talking about how much — you’re asking a question, how much more money do we want to steal from the American people to fund more government? I’m for no more.”

– House Speaker John Boehner, Feb. 28, 2013

The reality:

Share of income paid in total federal taxes, 1979-2009, by income group

Source: Tax Policy Center, http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=456

Source: Tax Policy Center, http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=456

The American people are being sold a story that is simply, factually untrue. These are the most recent data available, indicating that every single income group is paying less of their income in taxes than at any point in the last 30 years.

– Jay Bookman

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Brosephus™ -What is your major malfunction, numbnuts?

March 1st, 2013
1:25 pm

Have you also noted how the evangelical/fundamentalist Republican Right is now using their religious philosophy to try to change the tax code? It all sounds like tithing. “You have this much, everybody pays the same percentage.”

Yet if a Muslim proposed that, they’d be all over him for trying to impose Sharia on us….

Paul

I guess that’s one of those “it’s ok when WE force our religious beliefs on others” scenarios. Nevermind the whole do unto others advice that was given long ago.

td

March 1st, 2013
1:26 pm

Do not forget to add the $15 trillion in transfer payments (the great society) that has been taken from the top 4 quintile’s and given to the bottom quintile since 1964 in our “war on poverty”. The results of those transfer payments have not cut the poverty rate any over the past 50 years.

TBS

March 1st, 2013
1:26 pm

“Low income taxpayers are highly likely to underreport earned income

Namely related to cash payments

Someone’s tax return may say $10k but they probably make much more”

Is this typical Jm assertion and hyperbole or based on a factual study that will present in your next post?

DannyX

March 1st, 2013
1:27 pm

“I propose that, and I believe I have a rational mind.”

“the best anti-poverty, the best pro-family, the best job creation measure to come out of Congress.”

-President Reagan on the Earned Income Tax Credit

alex

March 1st, 2013
1:28 pm

Jay, time to move on you’ve stepped in it in so many ways that you can’t or haven’t defined with this chart, cover your former SCIENCE self and move on (ex. #1 define the income limits for the Quintiles for the last 30 years and as usual you deal with “relative” numbers , what are the absolute numbers, mabye a lower % of a much higher number comes out to an absolute increase, FACT, you have NO idea of what you are even thinking). Personally, I don’t want the lowest Quintile in 2013, paying the % they did in 1979. You really never did read the Noise and the SIgnal did you?……Gotta go the NOISE is killing me!!

Paul

March 1st, 2013
1:28 pm

Jm

“Not significantly. But what gets paid within quintiles by different taxpayers would change a lot. By design”

I asked if the relative percentages paid by each quintile would change significantly.

You said no, but each quintile would see a change.

To more or less taxes paid?

keith

March 1st, 2013
1:28 pm

so obama didnt say his stimulus was going to fix all the infrastructure problems just like sequester wasnt his idea. how can anybody take these liberals seriously when they are blithering idiots?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 1st, 2013
1:29 pm

Paul:

“So while you may like to stay a couple hundred years in the past with why something happened, you might want to think about coming into the present and seeing how that works in the present-day reality.”

Thank you and my point stands as to WHY is was put there THEN …………. just like why “freedom of speech” was put in. The reasons THEN don’t change. How both are interpreted now obviously does.

Again …………. we are free to pass new legislation and alter or abolish Amendments.

Is that current enough for you ??

Mr_B

March 1st, 2013
1:29 pm

“I spent time in Spain recently, their unemployment is up over 26%. That is what socialist entitlement spending does to a nation and it’s economy.”

Actually, this is what happens when tax avoidance becomes a national sport second only to futbol.
See also Greece and Italy.

Nations with vastly more entitlements than we have and center-left governments (Germany, Denmark, Sweden, the Netherlands, Norway, Finland) aren’t doing badly at all. But then, their citizen actually pay for what they get, and don’t grouse about it.

DannyX

March 1st, 2013
1:30 pm

“so obama didnt say his stimulus was going to fix all the infrastructure problems just like sequester wasnt his idea.”

Talk about blithering idiots…

td

March 1st, 2013
1:30 pm

Capital gains is counted as income and taxed in this country but Child Support, EITC, Food Stamps, TANF and section 8 housing supplements are not counted as income.

Moderate Line

March 1st, 2013
1:31 pm

Tax on personal income in the US is below average but not by much.
The US collects 8.1% of GDP while the average is 8.4%.

http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/docserver/download/191500041e1t004.pdf?expires=1362163426&id=id&accname=freeContent&checksum=7B37F459611006DF454556E3E47B552F

QE 4 EVAH?

March 1st, 2013
1:31 pm

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 1st, 2013
1:31 pm

Finn McCool
(The System isn’t Broken; It’s Fixed) :

“0311, you got any good Jesus quotes”

“If they hated Me they will hate you”

“Except you believe in Me you are dead in your sins”

Paul

March 1st, 2013
1:31 pm

BOSCH! Left this for you downstairs:

BOSCH!!!!

A fine pagan “HI” to you!

Just the prior thread Jay and I were sending out good thoughts of concern for you. And here you are. Check out the thread’s topic: we put our minds together, the sum became more than the parts and… you were pulled it!

Welcome back from your sojourn, padawan.

Your wit and screen cleaner have been sorely missed.

We don’t kill fatted calves anymore (well, most of us, anyway…) but this calls for a celebration!

Welcome back with the 21st century version of feasting and making merry! (but don’t tell her boyfriend)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pT79×4qM4FE&list=PL549EB9DBB2FF8C24

They call me MISTER JamVet.

March 1st, 2013
1:32 pm

…so obama didnt say his stimulus was going to fix all the infrastructure problems…

That’s right, dreamer, he did not.

keith

March 1st, 2013
1:32 pm

obama told us his stimulus was going to keep unemployment below 8 percent. LIES. Said shovel ready jobs were ready to go, just pass stimulus. LIES. obama said sequester was a congessional idea. LIES. He lies all the time and people are on here supporting that liar. why???

DannyX

March 1st, 2013
1:33 pm

“If they hated Me they will hate you”

“Except you believe in Me you are dead in your sins”

FAIL!

Recon 0311 2533

March 1st, 2013
1:33 pm

Wrong, if anything its the Bush tax cuts that didn’t work and didn’t do as promised.

I don’t know how far you go back but Bush inherited an economy going into recession largely due to the burst of the dot.com bubble. Bush reduced taxes and we weathered the economic hits to the nation caused by 9-11 and later Katrina. The economy did well and unemployment was low through much of Bushes two terms until the housing bubble burst causing the 08 crash. We haven’t recovered sufficiently and Obama’s policies once again haven’t worked as we’re still teetering on the brink of another recession.

barking frog

March 1st, 2013
1:33 pm

middle of the road
“I cannot understand how any rational mind can propose that someone making 10,000.00 per year should pay income tax. ”
I propose that, and I believe I have a rational mind. Why should ANY group get a “free ride” and pay no income tax whatsoever? A minimum 2% (or 5%) income tax is not going to cause anyone to starve to death.
……………………………………………………………………..
to answer your question, Because they are too poor to pay.
the imposition of any tax should not be whether or not the
taxpayer will starve to death if the tax is imposed, due to the
fact that is not a rational way to tax. affordability has always
been a part of the US tax code and both republicans and
democrats have assisted low income earners with tax credits.

keith

March 1st, 2013
1:34 pm

Liberals cant even keep up with obamas lies so they simply deny it. heads in the sand or elsewhere syndrome.

Peadawg

March 1st, 2013
1:34 pm

“obama told us his stimulus was going to keep unemployment below 8 percent. LIES.”

You’re right; that is a lie. Obama never said that.

Marty Huggins'

March 1st, 2013
1:35 pm

http://www.marketplace.org/topics/life/irs-keeping-tabs-restaurant-bar-tips

Seems the IRS is concerned about a group who traditionally reports near the $10,000 mark that they feel are under reporting their income.

As someone who worked years in this field during college and from my experience it most certainly happens.

Bosch

March 1st, 2013
1:35 pm

keith,

Sorry, but repeating s lie as truth doesn’t make it happen. Just because YOU think something happens or somebody said something doesn’t make the words come out of their mouth.

Geez, haven’t y’all straightened out these cons yet, or are they new?

Paul

March 1st, 2013
1:36 pm

Scout

“Again …………. we are free to pass new legislation and alter or abolish Amendments.

Is that current enough for you ??”

Just pointing out that whenever you go down your militia rabbit hole, the Supremes have declared it irrelevant in the current second amendment discussion.

TBS

March 1st, 2013
1:36 pm

Jm

How about that study? I hope your assertion that I pointed out can be validated slightly more than your foreclosure crap you were selling a few months back

Doggone/GA

March 1st, 2013
1:36 pm

“That jfk quote has a limited shelf life…I think you’ve gone way past the expiration date… – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/01/when-the-gops-tax-myth-collides-with-reality/?cp=2#sthash.nREKDxWT.dpuf

And the more you say that, the more he’ll post it. Just scroll on by and ignore it.

keith

March 1st, 2013
1:36 pm

i bet you dont remember obama supporting sequester either. or his exec order to close gitmo. or his shovel ready jobs claims. or saying sequester came from a congressional idea. i know you dont recall any of that. STUPID LIBERALS.

DannyX

March 1st, 2013
1:36 pm

“The economy did well and unemployment was low through much of Bushes two terms until the housing bubble burst causing the 08 crash”

The Titanic was doing great, too bad people focus on the crash.

Moderate Line

March 1st, 2013
1:37 pm

Here are comparisons to OCED averages:
Property US 3.2% OCED 1.8
Income US 8.1 OCED 8.4
Goods and Services US 4.5% OCED 11
Corporate Income US 2.7 OCED 2.9

Mick

March 1st, 2013
1:38 pm

**The Titanic was doing great, too bad people focus on the crash.**

Good one, mate :lol:

Brosephus™ -What is your major malfunction, numbnuts?

March 1st, 2013
1:38 pm

td: 3: The more money the government takes out of the economy then the less is available to grow the economy.

This is the best representation of that statement that I could find online. Unlike a corporation, the government does not horde money. What the government takes in, it spends and then some. When you have to lie to try to prove a bogus point, you should realize that it’s bogus. I’m begining to think that you CAN’T tell the truth, even when you want to.

It’s common knowledge that the government spends every last penny that’s allocated for spending, so why you would sit here and lie that money taken by the government is taken out of the economy is beyond me. Every single penny that the government takes goes right back either through labor costs, contracting, or purchases. The stoopids is really strong with you today.

————–

Paul @ 1:14

:lol: :lol: :lol:

You called it!!!

keith

March 1st, 2013
1:39 pm

BOSCH I would post links to videos of obama saying exactly that but you wouldnt believe it even if you say him say it. you could watch barack obama rape a child and you would swear it never happened.

Mick

March 1st, 2013
1:39 pm

keith

**STUPID LIBERALS.**

Feel better now? As if your hypocrisy is any better…

Paul

March 1st, 2013
1:39 pm

keith

You have a cite for Pres Obama’s executive order to close Gitmo?

Any idea why it wasn’t closed?

A whole bunch of us here are really, really interested to hear why it’s still open.

Can you please enlighten us?

Redcoat

March 1st, 2013
1:39 pm

Bloomberg said don’t worry, the USA has an infinite supply of money……..

barking frog

March 1st, 2013
1:39 pm

The Titanic was doing great, too bad people focus on the crash.**
…………………………………………………………………
it was the iceberg’s fault……..

They call me MISTER JamVet.

March 1st, 2013
1:40 pm

Capital gains is counted as income

And taxed at a fraction of the rate for earned income. The type that the makers (LOL) in this country earn.

We should heavily tax wealth/unearned income instead of heavily taxing human labor…

Marty Huggins'

March 1st, 2013
1:40 pm

Wow did we just get a rape a child comment?

I have seen some things on here that may take the award!

keith

March 1st, 2013
1:40 pm

The economy did well and unemployment was low through much of Bushes two terms until the housing bubble burst causing the 08 crash”

The Titanic was doing great, too bad people focus on the crash.
– See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/01/when-the-gops-tax-myth-collides-with-reality/?cp=3#comment-1248223

and the crash was democrats taking over congress.

alex

March 1st, 2013
1:41 pm

“…paradoxically,it is easier to construct a coherent story when you know little,when there are few pieces to fit into the puzzle.Our conforting conviction that the world makes sense rest on a secure foundation:our almost unlimited ability to ignore our ignorance”
D. Kahneman nobel prize winner in economics.
Thinking, fast and slow

Brosephus™ -What is your major malfunction, numbnuts?

March 1st, 2013
1:41 pm

I propose that, and I believe I have a rational mind. Why should ANY group get a “free ride” and pay no income tax whatsoever? A minimum 2% (or 5%) income tax is not going to cause anyone to starve to death.

You’re right about that middle of the road. However, you also might want to consider that those $10k earners also pay gas, food, shelter, and all other living costs WITH the associated taxes. Taking another 2% will likely do nothing but increase the welfare rolls.

“Be careful of what you ask for because you just might get it.”
–Thomas Jefferson

keith

March 1st, 2013
1:42 pm

keith

You have a cite for Pres Obama’s executive order to close Gitmo?

Any idea why it wasn’t closed?

A whole bunch of us here are really, really interested to hear why it’s still open.

Can you please enlighten us?
– See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/01/when-the-gops-tax-myth-collides-with-reality/?cp=3#comment-1248230

king barry never intended to close it. he made a promise to his idiot supporters because thats what you wanted. he was elected, made a big deal about signing the XO then forgot about it and you.

Erwin's cat

March 1st, 2013
1:43 pm

These are the most recent data available, indicating that every single income group is paying less of their income in taxes than at any point in the last 30 years.

How does this address Bohner’s comment? He didn’t cite individual taxes or tax rates, just that the govt has enough. Let’s see a list of the total revenues over the years collected by the fed…

Bosch

March 1st, 2013
1:43 pm

Paul! I chuckle to myself everytime I hear someone saying to “stop frakking!”

Paul

March 1st, 2013
1:44 pm

keith?

Gitmo?

I’m going to lunch so you should have plenty of time to tell us why it’s still open after [Obama issued an executive order to close it]

Peadawg

March 1st, 2013
1:44 pm

“BOSCH I would post links to videos of obama saying exactly that”

Then please do.

QE 4 EVAH?

March 1st, 2013
1:44 pm

• “Guantanamo will be closed no later than one year from now.”

This comes from comments to reporters after signing an executive order on his third day in office.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/81895_Page3.html

keith

March 1st, 2013
1:44 pm

i am very happy with sequestration. glad its going forward. just wish it were bigger cuts. MUCH BIGGER

Recon 0311 2533

March 1st, 2013
1:44 pm

The Titanic was doing great, too bad people focus on the crash. –

Continuing with that analogy who built the Titanic that crashed in 08. Now if you’re going to tell me that it was all GWB and the Republicans don’t waste your time responding.

Bosch

March 1st, 2013
1:45 pm

Good Lord! Gitmo? Seriously?

They call me MISTER JamVet.

March 1st, 2013
1:46 pm

…Boehner’s comment… that the govt has enough.

Not quite true, cat.

He said that the government has stolen enough.

Among honest adults, that is a significant distinction.

The man is an embarrassment.

Paul

March 1st, 2013
1:46 pm

keith

Saw your 1:42 after I posted my 1:44

I believe the proper phrase is… “You don’t have a frakking clue, do you?”

oh, Hi Bosch!

That’s one of the few times I’ll get personal, but the frakking situation was too good to leave alone.

203k man

March 1st, 2013
1:47 pm

Obama and Boehner are both idiots. With all of Obama’s pretty words, he doesn’t know how to negotiate. Reagan and Clinton were masters at it. Obama has created class warfare by using his power to jam his ideals down our throats and now the kneejerk reaction by Repubs is to fight. any and everything he presents…no matter how good the idea/solution may be. How did the fiscal cliff get solved? Getting Obama and Boehner out of the process, they are toxic together and dividing America. I’m a mod Repub and I’ll pay more in tax to help my fellow man, but I expect the other side to make concessions too.

keith

March 1st, 2013
1:48 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skAOLejB4BA

SHOVEL READY JOBS. OOOPS Shovel ready wasnt as shovel ready as we expected. his own words.

getalife

March 1st, 2013
1:49 pm

Bosch,

Some of these cons think w was a great President so they are a lost cause.

Mr_B

March 1st, 2013
1:49 pm

“He lies all the time and people are on here supporting that liar. why???”

Possibly because some of us understand the difference between a projection based on incomplete economic data and a “promise”, and are also capable of recognizing economic improvement when we see it.

That’s just my speculation, though

Marty Huggins'

March 1st, 2013
1:49 pm

Brosephus™ -What is your major malfunction, numbnuts?
March 1st, 2013
1:41 pm

I honestly have no idea of the number. Let that be my first statement.

But wouldn’t anyone making 10k be eligible for “food stamps”?

If they are eligible then wouldn’t that mean many (this is the # I don’t know) would not be paying taxes on food?

If so is 2%-5% likely to put that many new members to “welfare” if many are already on the rolls?

Paul

March 1st, 2013
1:49 pm

QE 4 EVAH

We’ve heard from cons that his executive orders are illegal, he’s violating the Constitution, etc etc etc.

So why wasn’t Gitmo closed after he issued the order, hmmmm? What stopped him, hmmmm?

Erwin's cat

March 1st, 2013
1:50 pm

Jam I hear ya…..but as a good friend, I think you’ll regret not voluntarily paying your taxes… he should have said “extorted” instead of “stolen”

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 1st, 2013
1:50 pm

…by using his power to jam his ideals down our throats…

I have found that those who complain the most about having something jammed down their throats, are the same ones who will swallow anything.

QE 4 EVAH?

March 1st, 2013
1:50 pm

The one theme that repeatedly emerged in interviews was a belief that the White House never pressed hard enough on what was supposed to be a signature goal. Although the closure of Guantanamo Bay was announced in an executive order, which Obama signed on Jan. 22, 2009, the fanfare never translated into the kind of political push necessary to sustain the policy.

“Vulnerable senators weren’t going out on a limb and risk being Willie Hortonized on Gitmo when the White House, with the most to lose, wasn’t even twisting arms,” said a senior Democratic aide whose boss was one of 50 Democrats to vote in 2009 against funding to close Guantanamo. “They weren’t breathing down our necks pushing the vote or demanding unified action.”

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2011-04-23/world/35230210_1_guantanamo-policy-guantanamo-bay-military-detention-center

Words, just words.

N-GA

March 1st, 2013
1:51 pm

Boehner is half right. If we fail to INCREASE taxes, we are stealing from America’s children, grandchildren and children not yet born.

keith

March 1st, 2013
1:51 pm

funny how the economy crashed shortly after democrats were elected to lead congress. also funny how back then its Presidential policy that drives the economy and today its congressional policy. liberal fools just turn 180s according to elections. its quite pathetic.

getalife

March 1st, 2013
1:52 pm

I was trying to figure out the costs for the taxpayers for the 85 billion a month on QE but it looks like it is ongoing for our President’s second term since the gop are fixated on cuts and not jobs.

Redcoat

March 1st, 2013
1:52 pm

I going out to eat catfish tonight……before midnight

keith

March 1st, 2013
1:54 pm

Boehner is half right. If we fail to INCREASE taxes, we are stealing from America’s children, grandchildren and children not yet born – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/01/when-the-gops-tax-myth-collides-with-reality/?cp=3#comment-1248256

from the children and grandchildren of whom? Increasing taxes is govt theft of money we work for in order to give it to those like you too sorry to work. why steal from my kids and grandkids to give to yours just because you are too lazy to earn for yourselves?

Bosch

March 1st, 2013
1:54 pm

Gitmo. What next? A secret Obama army that’s gonna get their guns? Oh, I know, Obama was born in Kenya.

Redcoat

March 1st, 2013
1:55 pm

truth is such a relative term……….

Mick

March 1st, 2013
1:56 pm

keith

Very silly logic going on there…the dems took control of the house on 1/2007, the bubble was well on its way to burst before they walked thru the door…

keith

March 1st, 2013
1:58 pm

Recod numbers of people on welfare is not economic improvement. liberals have proven how well they lead in places like Detroit, Atlanta, California, Chicago. And they are using what they have learned in those places and are going national. The utter destruction of this country will happen if we follow their example.

getalife

March 1st, 2013
1:58 pm

The buck stops with w on the collapse.

He was right, the sucker went down.

Redcoat

March 1st, 2013
1:58 pm

Mick…….of course it was…..and since you knew that and they knew that……what happened?

They call me MISTER JamVet.

March 1st, 2013
1:58 pm

…he should have said “extorted” instead of “stolen”.

A silly, silly, silly non-difference.

Extortion (also called blackmail*, shakedown, outwresting, and exaction) is a criminal offense of unlawfully obtaining money, property, or services from a person, entity, or institution, through coercion.

We are a nation of laws. Violate the law, such as not paying your lawfully owed taxes, get prosecuted, convicted and you are a criminal. It is called being held accountable to the rule of law and American justice. (Unless of course you have enough money, then forget all that passe stuff about accountability and justice!)

They call me MISTER JamVet.

March 1st, 2013
2:00 pm

One other thing, cat. Do you favor taxes be voluntary in this country?

QE 4 EVAH?

March 1st, 2013
2:00 pm

Gitmo. What next?

Can’t handle the truth?

“Vulnerable senators weren’t going out on a limb and risk being Willie Hortonized on Gitmo when the White House, with the most to lose, wasn’t even twisting arms,” said a senior Democratic aide whose boss was one of 50 Democrats to vote in 2009 against funding to close Guantanamo. “They weren’t breathing down our necks pushing the vote or demanding unified action.”

He campaigned on ending the war and closing Gitmo. While the Iraq war raged on, he doubled down on the war in Afghanistan. Gitmo remains open thanks to his failure to convince 50 democrats.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 1st, 2013
2:00 pm

Paul:

“Just pointing out that whenever you go down your militia rabbit hole, the Supremes have declared it irrelevant in the current second amendment discussion.”

Irrelevant because the “individual right” is even more sacred than the “milita right” !!!

The “militia” was just another purpose. The “individual right” operates outside of the purpose.

That doesn’t change the historical fact as to why the militia was used in the 2nd Amendment as a “purpose”.

Following is a good synopsis of the ruling and the entire text if you wish to read them:

http://www.lawnix.com/cases/dc-heller.html (Synopsis)

http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/07-290.pdf (Full Opinion)

“The prefatory clause “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State” merely announces a PURPOSE (emphasis added). It does not limit or expand the scope of the operative clause “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” The operative clause’s text and history demonstrate that it connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms.

The militia consisted of all males capable of acting together for the common defense. The Antifederalists feared that the Federal Government would disarm the people in order to disable citizen militias, thereby enabling a politicized standing army or a select militia to rule. The Antifederalists therefore sought to preserve the citizens’ militia by denying Congress the power to abridge the right of individuals to keep and bear arms.

This interpretation is confirmed by analogous arms-bearing rights adopted in state constitutions immediately preceding and following the Second Amendment. Furthermore, the drafting history reveals three proposals that unequivocally referred to an individual right to bear arms. Interpretation of the Second Amendment by scholars, courts, and legislators from ratification through the late 19th century also supports the Court’s interpretation.

No precedent forecloses this interpretation. United States v. Miller limits the type of weapons to which the right applies to those in common use for lawful purposes, but does NOT LIMIT (emphasis added) the right to keep and bear arms to militia purposes.”

getalife

March 1st, 2013
2:02 pm

They can’t close gitmo because of torture.

Sam

March 1st, 2013
2:02 pm

They do take a lot of my money Jay.

DannyX

March 1st, 2013
2:03 pm

“funny how the economy crashed shortly after democrats were elected to lead congress”

Funny how Republicans didn’t let W get within 50 miles of the the Republican Convention arena last summer. Why?

Bosch

March 1st, 2013
2:04 pm

And that’s the thing QE, it wasn’t him that failed to close it, it was the weenies in Congress. Democrats don’t vote lock step with their party.

Bosch

March 1st, 2013
2:04 pm

And that’s the thing QE, it wasn’t him that failed to close it, it was the weenies in Congress. Democrats don’t vote lock step with their party.

keith

March 1st, 2013
2:04 pm

anyone remember bush and mccain telling us fannie mae was in trouble? it was barney frank that denied it and prevented anything from stopping their collapse.

getalife

March 1st, 2013
2:04 pm

Because w and cheney are toxic assets for the gop.

Chip Shirley

March 1st, 2013
2:04 pm

Uneducated American Public Sinks Economy-
So tragic that we don’t know our true economic history and the taxation policies that made us great.
Here’s a great site to learn the truth…
Patriotic Economics-
http://PatrioticEconomics.blogspot.com/

Regnad Kcin

March 1st, 2013
2:05 pm

“If each paid $50 per year or $4 per month it would equal $1.9 billion into the coffers.’

One point nine billion dollars! Wer’e saved!

Marty, I see your point (i think) – the “skin in the game” argument, right? Paying more taxes is supposed to influence the way poorer folks look at government? With all respect, I suspect that’s just silly.

Bosch

March 1st, 2013
2:05 pm

Geez my laptop is FREAKING out!

Erwin's cat

March 1st, 2013
2:05 pm

One other thing, cat. Do you favor taxes be voluntary in this country?

Hadn’t really considered it, but maybe…It’s sorta like when the bill due at the local eatery and they have already included a tip….100% of the time, my voluntary tip would have been considerably more then what they added…but if they include it, I’m not more adding to it (out of principle)…so in that instance they lose

keith

March 1st, 2013
2:06 pm

obama never intended to close gitmo. it was a show for the dumbest of his supporters. many are on here now.

getalife

March 1st, 2013
2:06 pm

The economy collapsed on w’s watch because he was a horrible President.

No spin can bury that fact cons.

DebbieDoRight - Going Over The Fiscal Cliff In A Barrel, With High Heels On

March 1st, 2013
2:08 pm

Eventually, the masses rise up and take what they can’t get.

Its happened time and time again throughout history. I’m amazed that the people who are advocating for more riches for an oligarchy can’t see that.
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Yet if a Muslim proposed that, they’d be all over him for trying to impose Sharia on us.

Case in point, Bobby Jindal’s making public schools “voucher schools” and the giving out of 90% of Christian School vouchers — with 0% of Muslim schools getting in on the act.

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Mick

March 1st, 2013
2:10 pm

keith

Please…blame it all on barney??? Ownership society anyone? Regulators looking the other way under whose watch? You live in a fantasy propagandized vacuum suking it all up! Snap out of it…

Peadawg

March 1st, 2013
2:11 pm

Y’all know keith is just trolling. Stop feeding the trolls.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 1st, 2013
2:11 pm

Some of you may be interested in this little known slice of our history. For example, more Georgians fought for King George during our Revolution than those who fought for George Washington.

Most people have no idea about how fractured our Revolution was or how narrowly we won. If it hadn’t been for the French we would all be British Citizens and part of the Commonwealth.

Following is a great list of the Tory units (Americans) that fought along side the British. After the war, many fled to Canada.

http://www.toriesfightingfortheking.com/ToryArmy.htm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 1st, 2013
2:11 pm

getalife

March 1st, 2013
2:11 pm

“Eventually, the masses rise up and take what they can’t get.

Its happened time and time again throughout history. I’m amazed that the people who are advocating for more riches for an oligarchy can’t see that.”

And we get socialism so the cons are making that happen.

getalife

March 1st, 2013
2:12 pm

Sorry pea,

No lies on this blog so keith will be destroyed by facuts.

Bosch

March 1st, 2013
2:13 pm

go ahead and posts those links keith. And don’t be so quick to assume.

Regnad Kcin

March 1st, 2013
2:13 pm

“obama never intended to close gitmo. it was a show for the dumbest of his supporters”

keith is the most amusing poster we’ve got! You go, keith!

St Simons - he-ne-ha

March 1st, 2013
2:14 pm

whoa, had a tax ‘mergency. I SAID i wasn’t doing taxes this year.
but nobody listens to me.
i like friday. Yall are some funny somb**es on here on Fri.

of course, taxes are currently unsustainably low for the operation of a
first world country, anybody knows that duh