When the GOP’s tax myth collides with reality…

The myth:

“The revenue issue is now closed…. You’re talking about how much — you’re asking a question, how much more money do we want to steal from the American people to fund more government? I’m for no more.”

– House Speaker John Boehner, Feb. 28, 2013

The reality:

Share of income paid in total federal taxes, 1979-2009, by income group

Source: Tax Policy Center, http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=456

Source: Tax Policy Center, http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=456

The American people are being sold a story that is simply, factually untrue. These are the most recent data available, indicating that every single income group is paying less of their income in taxes than at any point in the last 30 years.

– Jay Bookman

505 comments Add your comment

Paul

March 1st, 2013
12:41 pm

keith

“I think tax rates should be what they were when President Clinton left office”

Now you’re sounding like Jay, you old RINO, you!

Cherokee

March 1st, 2013
12:41 pm

Good for you Woodstock Mike. But contrrary to what Boortz told you, no one hates you.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 1st, 2013
12:42 pm

Three points JAY !

1) It is my understanding that all the Repubs. want to do is reduce the INCREASE in spending by 2%. I repeat ………. we are only talking about a reduction in the INCREASE of spending.

2) There is enough in waste, fraud and abuse to make up for that 2% easily ! Force agencies to do that !

3) The Pentagon spends trillions and trillions of dollars and they can’t even audit or account for those funds. The next proposed date for an audit of the Pentagon is 2017 !!!!!

4) Enough is enough.

BOHICA

March 1st, 2013
12:42 pm

Hey everybody,
Repeat after me. I am not taxed enough!
thank you Jay for helping me see the light!

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 1st, 2013
12:43 pm

5) We will still spend more this year than last year !

JohnnyReb

March 1st, 2013
12:43 pm

ByteMe – the only thing stopping you from being a CEO is you. Don’t cry about what they make. It’s like a nurse complaining about the difference between what she makes versus a doctor. Be a doctor and shut up.

stands for decibels - Private Pyle has a full magazine that is locked and loaded

March 1st, 2013
12:44 pm

the private jets, the golf courses, the seminars and conventions.

not intended to be a factual statement

Jefferson

March 1st, 2013
12:44 pm

Reb, the GOP sold you out to keep others taxes from going up.

Union

March 1st, 2013
12:44 pm

i think part of the issue and frustration is that there is no accountability in washington.. from the fraud and abuse.. you can get busted taking money on camera then still say you didnt do it..

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 1st, 2013
12:45 pm

JAY:

How about a chart on this PLEASE ?

“INCOMES DROP MOST IN 20 YEARS…
Money left over after taxes biggest plunge since 1959…”

Joe Hussein Mama

March 1st, 2013
12:45 pm

I’m not hanging around in here today. Too much acid and agita in here today. IMO, it won’t end well.

I see the red cards comin’, they’re comin’ round the bend . . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folsom_Prison_Blues

stands for decibels - Private Pyle has a full magazine that is locked and loaded

March 1st, 2013
12:45 pm

Maybe Scouty McDigits will scamper off if I tell him that JFK wanted the top marginal rate set at 70%?

Voter

March 1st, 2013
12:45 pm

@Full Metal Jacket Quotes – I see the usual liberal crap, blame game. Don’t forget president obama promised 5 years ago and even a year ago, for balance budgets and spending cuts. You can’t blame the GOP or anyone else for the President not submitting a budget, that’s on him.

barking frog

March 1st, 2013
12:45 pm

DebbieDoRight – Going Over The Fiscal Cliff In A Barrel, With High Heels On
…………………………………………………………………….
Wow ! What a visual !

Arms Akimbo

March 1st, 2013
12:45 pm

Obama’s model is based on providing services to his constituents that are paid for by others. He demands an ever increasing piece of the American pie to pay for his posse. Obama’s fatal flaw is his disastrous economic platform. Bernanke spoke this week and predicted that unemployment will not reach 6% until 2016. Also this morning, the WSJ announced that take home pay for Americans had the largest annual reduction since 1959. If the economy was growing, business would be more tolerant of Obama’s wealth redistribution plays. Unfortunately, Obama is completely clueless about economic development. All you have to do is look at his humorous sequestration proposal that actually increases spending and does not define any meaningful cuts. The sequester is dangerous for Obama because he has been preaching that without Govt. spending, the nation will collapse. The reality is that Americans are about to see that a 2% reduction in Government spending is not fatal and in fact could be dramatically less painful if the President were to do his job and reallocate funding and cut bureacratic fat.

DownInAlbany

March 1st, 2013
12:45 pm

And, this proves what? That we should raise taxes on the top quintile? What the heck is your point? That the bottom quintile should pay more? They are only paying 1%!

indigo

March 1st, 2013
12:46 pm

Boehner is willing to let the middle class suffer from the sequester in order to protect his wealthy patrons from any further tax increases.

He’s counting on gullible cons to actually believe that asking the rich to pay a little more is “stealing from the American people”.

Unfortunately, America is full of such simple tools who eagerly believe anything their Republican idols tell them.

Jefferson

March 1st, 2013
12:46 pm

And the GOP will sell out more to save their defense contractor contributions.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 1st, 2013
12:46 pm

Good riddance !

Get Real

March 1st, 2013
12:47 pm

SPEND…SPEND…SPEND and then SPEND some more

BORROW…BORROW….BORROW and then BORROW some more

Don’t worry, DEFICITS don’t matter!!!

stands for decibels - Private Pyle has a full magazine that is locked and loaded

March 1st, 2013
12:47 pm

How about a chart on this

how about you read what Drudgey goodness your fellow wingnuts have already spammed us with?

JohnnyReb

March 1st, 2013
12:47 pm

Jefferson – I dont want anyone’s taxes to go up. Reduce spending. Stop the waste. Save SS and Medicare by transitioning people away from today’s programs. No more unemployment payment extenstions. Put a limit on food stamp payments. Put the cronically unemployed into government work programs.

DebbieDoRight - Going Over The Fiscal Cliff In A Barrel, With High Heels On

March 1st, 2013
12:48 pm

Let capitalism thrive America, and we will all prosper.

October 29, 1929 says “WTF?”

Jefferson

March 1st, 2013
12:48 pm

SPEND…SPEND…SPEND and then SPEND some more

BORROW…BORROW….BORROW and then BORROW some more

Don’t worry, DEFICITS don’t matter!!!

That’s the reason the GOP has no credibility

bman.

March 1st, 2013
12:49 pm

“I paid around 150K in federal income tax alone for 2012″

I’m looking for a career change. Please advise…

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 1st, 2013
12:49 pm

stands for decibels –
Private Pyle has a
full magazine that is
locked and loaded :

“Maybe Scouty McDigits will scamper off if I tell him that JFK wanted the top marginal rate set at 70%?”

Nope !

But I will post what he said about the reason for the 2nd Amendment ……….. :o )

“By calling attention to ‘a well regulated militia,’ the ’security’ of the nation, and the right of each citizen ‘to keep and bear arms,’ our founding fathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy. Although it is extremely unlikely that the fears of governmental tyranny which gave rise to the Second Amendment will ever be a major danger to our nation, the Amendment still remains an important declaration of our basic civilian-military relationships, in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of his country. For that reason I believe the Second Amendment will always be important.”

John F. Kennedy

NEXT ……………..

Marty Huggins'

March 1st, 2013
12:50 pm

ByteMe – Got ilk?
March 1st, 2013
12:34 pm

Really?
No?

We are discussing the graph we were given, there was no break down as specific as you now choose to use.

My point would still hold true we all need a tax increase.

Every single one of us has had a drop in tax rate unless we are in the top 20% we have seen our taxes dropped the most.

To make it clear for you:
Highest 1/5. 1979- 27.1—-
2009- 23.2—-
4th 1/5. 1979- 21.5—
2009- 15.1
Middle 1/5. 1979- 18.9
2009- 11.1
2nd. 1/5. 1979- 14.5
2009- 8.6
Lowest 1/5. 1979.- 7.5
2009- 1.0

DownInAlbany

March 1st, 2013
12:50 pm

Arms Akimbo

March 1st, 2013
12:45 pm

Personal income fell by 3.6% in January. The largest one month drop in 20 years. I guess some of that was the expiration of the Bush tax cuts. But, the feds can’t trim 2% from the expected increase in expenditures.

What is Obama’s latest plan? $300 billion in new “revenues” but are called “cuts.”

Soothsayer

March 1st, 2013
12:50 pm

“Obama’s model is based on providing services to his constituents that are paid for by others. He demands an ever increasing piece of the American pie to pay for his posse.”

Red State whites receive more “services” than any other constituency.

You know, that’s such a tired old argument that resurfaces here almost daily.

stands for decibels - Private Pyle has a full magazine that is locked and loaded

March 1st, 2013
12:50 pm

That we should raise taxes on the top quintile?

Yes, gradually, but we should also *pay* the bottom four more than we do.

We can start by raising the minimum wage. We can also put more people to work on all kinds of stuff that needs to be built/maintained, which would serve to increase wages since you’d have fewer people chasing more jobs, and employers would have to pay more to attract those workers.

Pretty straightforward stuff for a civilized nation, unless you’re a cant-do conservative.

clem

March 1st, 2013
12:50 pm

how does the ceo of genuine auto parts get a 30% compensation raise (nearly doubled during recession period) while laying offing 2000. sounds like his board is a bunch of back scratchers.

Paul

March 1st, 2013
12:51 pm

Jm 12:39

Thanks. So it’d be flatter – would the relative percentages paid by each quintile change?

Brosephus

“. Almost half of America legally have no fed income tax liability, which means they get to keep more of their money. Corporations are seeing more and more tax returns with zero liability as well. For some odd reason, they don’t want to recognize the overwhelming success of their efforts. I wonder why? ”

Because in conland, corporations are good and poor people are bad. It’s why they cheer no taxes for a corporation with a billion in taxes but heap scorn on a family making $30K a year who pays no federal income taxes.

Have you also noted how the evangelical/fundamentalist Republican Right is now using their religious philosophy to try to change the tax code? It all sounds like tithing. “You have this much, everybody pays the same percentage.”

Yet if a Muslim proposed that, they’d be all over him for trying to impose Sharia on us….

Get Real

March 1st, 2013
12:51 pm

Jefferson….you do not have the first clue. I am tired of being the wagon puller for half the country.

But you keep spouting your bull$hit…

Jefferson

March 1st, 2013
12:51 pm

Reb, I don’t think you can solve the problem that way. Everyone has to go back to the rates we had before. Spending cuts as small as 2% constitutes a crisis. The gov’t get ripped off daily by people who do business with the gov’t. Follow the money trail.

BSNBC

March 1st, 2013
12:51 pm

The Obama White House is just like the Nixon White House. Lies, coverups, bully the media, payoffs to friends and blinded by power!

Mr Right

March 1st, 2013
12:52 pm

And the GOP will sell out more to save their defense contractor contributions –

Blah blah, the libs would never do that! Blah blah!

DebbieDoRight - Going Over The Fiscal Cliff In A Barrel, With High Heels On

March 1st, 2013
12:53 pm

Hiya Frog!

I was trying to portray this — in a few succinct words! :)

Jefferson

March 1st, 2013
12:54 pm

Real after the wreck of 08 you still belive ? Easter is coming….

barking frog

March 1st, 2013
12:54 pm

I cannot understand how any rational mind can propose
that someone making 10,000.00 per year should pay
income tax.

Recon 0311 2533

March 1st, 2013
12:54 pm

These are the most recent data available, indicating that every single income group is paying less of their income in taxes than at any point in the last 30 years.

Of course Jay fails to mention that income has been shrinking for most Americans. The Obama White House have been lying to the American people. Obama stood before the press corps earlier and continued lying and later in that gathering walked it back by admitting that this 2.4% in reduced future spending wasn’t going to cause an Armageddon. Obama talks compromise but dances around offering specific compromise, while sticking to his theme for a balanced approach, which translates into higher taxes. The Republicans have offered him the means to prioritize this paltry reduction in spending but he refuses because he’s afraid to perform his duties as the chief executive and C-n-C. I wanted to vomit when Obama said that the Pentagon would have to figure a way to inform military families about lost income and benefits. Obama is the commander-n-chief why in the hell isn’t he the one finding solutions, which he has the capability to do. After all his highest priority is our national security and it seems that he prefers being AWOL from that responsibility.

stands for decibels - Private Pyle has a full magazine that is locked and loaded

March 1st, 2013
12:54 pm

Scout @ 12.49, thank you for reminding one and all that Presidential candidates tend to spout stupid crap while on the campaign trail, and JFK was no exception.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 1st, 2013
12:54 pm

If the economy was growing, business would be more tolerant of Obama’s wealth redistribution plays.

Really?

DJIA closed 20Jan2009 = 7949.09
DJIA trading now = 14098.60

Geez….

ByteMe - Got ilk?

March 1st, 2013
12:55 pm

ByteMe – the only thing stopping you from being a CEO is you. Don’t cry about what they make. It’s like a nurse complaining about the difference between what she makes versus a doctor. Be a doctor and shut up.

I own four companies, so I’m already there. But I’m also smart enough to know that just because I made it doesn’t mean it’s possible for everyone else to get there… and that if I overpay myself, somehow that’s going to make things better for those beneath me. Eventually, the masses rise up and take what they can’t get.

stands for decibels - Private Pyle has a full magazine that is locked and loaded

March 1st, 2013
12:55 pm

Of course Jay fails to mention that income has been shrinking for most Americans.

Aww. They’re so CUTE when they pretend to care about working Americans!

Get Real

March 1st, 2013
12:55 pm

Spending cuts as small as 2% constitutes a crisis.

More bull$hit…it is not even a cut, it is a decrease in the increase. My God man get you head out of your a$$!!!

Thomas Heyward Jr

March 1st, 2013
12:55 pm

Does that chart refer to the present generation or or children’s.
.
Regardlless………….this Opologism is starting to border on………………….phychosis.
It might be time to start rounding firearms up …………….from the Obama-Bots.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 1st, 2013
12:56 pm

“Our Only ‘Entitlement’ is Freedom”

Jefferson

March 1st, 2013
12:56 pm

Real, you are wrong. Sorry.

getalife

March 1st, 2013
12:57 pm

cons cheering for going back to a recession is just another of the million reasons why our country must marginilyze these self defeatists for our country.

getalife

March 1st, 2013
12:58 pm

“We want the EU recession” cons.

stands for decibels - Private Pyle has a full magazine that is locked and loaded

March 1st, 2013
12:59 pm

So, nobody disagrees with my prescription @ 12.50? Good. Write your congrefsbitch and tell them, then.

See ya, maybe ’round FNM-time…

/drive-by

Fred ™

March 1st, 2013
12:59 pm

I cannot understand how any rational mind can propose
that someone making 10,000.00 per year should pay
income tax.

There are no rational minds proposing that. only talk radio/FOXBOT puppets and their masters are proposing that. They sure as hell aren’t rational. Or intelligent for that matter. They keep spewing the same lies they have been spewing for years. The ones that America soundly rejected last November.

barking frog

March 1st, 2013
12:59 pm

Debbie Do
but I was visualizing…
DebbieDoRight –
Going Over The Fiscal Cliff In A Barrel, With (Nothing But)
High Heels On

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 1st, 2013
1:00 pm

stands for decibels –
Private Pyle has a
full magazine that is
locked and loaded :

“Scout @ 12.49, thank you for reminding one and all that Presidential candidates tend to spout stupid crap while on the campaign trail, and JFK was no exception”

Except the Supreme Court in Heller v. D.C. agreed with him ………….. :o )

Page 24

b. SECURITY OF A FREE STATE

“The phrase “security of a free state” meant “security of a free polity” not security of each of the several states.”

“There are many reasons why the militia was thought to be “necessary for the security of a free state” ……….. Third, when the
able bodied men of a nation are trained in arms and organized, they are better able to resist tyranny.”

Page 25

3. RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN PREFATORY CLAUSE AND OPERATIVE CLAUSE

“That history showed that the way tyrants had eliminated a militia consisting of all the able bodied men was not by
banning the militia but simply taking away the people’s arms, enabling a select militia or standing army to suppress
political opponents.”

Page 26

“It was understood across the political spectrum that the right helped to secure the ideal of a citizen militia, which might
be necessary to oppose an oppressive military force if the constitutional order broke down.”

clem

March 1st, 2013
1:00 pm

you may not like krugman, but the conservatives have not proven correct on war or the economy at federal level

gadem also known as Benghazi

March 1st, 2013
1:00 pm

Republicans are the true moochers….they want to pay ZERO taxes but use the infrastructure as if they had. So the Republicans are the true 47%!!!!

Did someone say Benghazi?

Mick

March 1st, 2013
1:00 pm

0311

That jfk quote has a limited shelf life…I think you’ve gone way past the expiration date…

Get Real

March 1st, 2013
1:00 pm

Jefferson…I guess we will agree to disagree, fair enough?

Paul

March 1st, 2013
1:00 pm

barking frog

“I cannot understand how any rational mind can propose
that someone making 10,000.00 per year should pay
income tax. ”

Yet that’s what we read here, day after day.

Recon

“These are the most recent data available, indicating that every single income group is paying less of their income in taxes than at any point in the last 30 years”

The data does seem to indicate that.

Do you believe it?

Paul

March 1st, 2013
1:03 pm

Scout

You keep glossing over that minor point Justice Scalia wrote for the majority wherein they decided the right to a handgun in one’s home for lawful purposes is an individual right, not connected to a militia.

Mick

March 1st, 2013
1:03 pm

paul

My girl out in plano just got transferred to orlando, she wasn’t making the money she did in miami…

Jeffrey

March 1st, 2013
1:05 pm

Woodstock mike. I read a piece in the wsj that proposed limiting personal deductions to 2 percent of income. According to that oped it raised rates only slightly, made filing taxes easier and did a nice job on the deficit sorry it took a while to get back to you but nobody ever comments on my comments and I was checking on a sick kid. Cheers.

Paul

March 1st, 2013
1:06 pm

Mick

Aw, nuts… I was looking forward to seeing you.

But I’ve two kids in Orlando who we see regularly, so we’ll connect there, okay?

Welcome to the Occupation

March 1st, 2013
1:06 pm

The Gee Ohh Pee is a lying fleabag of an outfit.

It’s a gang, not a party.

/ drive-by

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 1st, 2013
1:06 pm

“I cannot understand how any rational mind can propose
that someone making 10,000.00 per year should pay
income tax”

Hummmm ……………. well “GOD” required a tithe of 10% ………… from the richest all the way down to the poorest.

td

March 1st, 2013
1:06 pm

Brosephus™ -What is your major malfunction, numbnuts?

March 1st, 2013
12:41 pm

Jay

Will you please give td some attention and rub his belly. Talk about the dumbest crap to argue. Everybody knows that revenue will increase as long as GDP, incomes, and other things increase. That dude needs a red card for being stuck on stoopid. :lol:

Total BS.

1: GDP = the amount of money available in the entire nation.

2: Measuring the Federal governments take of that revenue available is an indicator as to what it cost each citizen for the services provided.

3: The more money the government takes out of the economy then the less is available to grow the economy.

4: All tax rates measure is the share of revenue provided by each subgroup or individual.

getalife

March 1st, 2013
1:06 pm

If you cons want a recession like the EU, move there.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 1st, 2013
1:08 pm

“WASHINGTON MOCKS WOODWARD…

Press turns on one of their own…

Andrew Sullivan: He’s ‘a liar’…

Reporter: ‘People Waiting For Woodward To Die’… ”

Well, it looks like old BOB is now realizing what conservatives have all along ………….. the liberal press out there will leave no stone unturned to protect their biases.

DannyX

March 1st, 2013
1:09 pm

Just wait everyone! The Bush tax cuts will send us into economic utopia! The midas tax cuts will turn everything into gold! All your dreams will come true! Its going to be awesome.

Jm

March 1st, 2013
1:09 pm

“ByteMe – Got ilk?
March 1st, 2013
12:21 pm

Marginal tax rates is how people make decisions

Really? I haven’t thought about mine in years.”

Byteme

As in your case, when you don’t pay taxes, you don’t need to worry about marginal rates

Moderate Line

March 1st, 2013
1:09 pm

When the GOP’s tax myth collides with reality…
+++++
My only problem with this is it only gives the “federal tax rate”. This doesn’t include state and local taxes.
According to the website I linked to in 1980
Year GDP-US $ billion nominal Population-US million Total Direct Revenue-total percent GDP
1980 2788.1 226.546 31.77 a
1981 3126.8 228.670 32.48 a
1982 3253.2 230.815 33.10 a
1983 3534.6 232.979 31.23 a
1984 3930.9 235.164 31.07 a
1985 4217.5 237.369 31.95 a
1986 4460.1 239.595 32.27 a
1987 4736.4 241.842 33.40 a
1988 5100.4 244.110 32.86 a
1989 5482.1 246.399 33.24 i
1990 5800.5 248.710 33.23 a
1991 5992.1 251.802 33.07 a
1992 6342.3 254.933 33.07 a
1993 6667.4 258.103 33.39 a
1994 7085.2 261.312 33.51 a
1995 7414.7 264.561 34.27 a
1996 7838.5 267.850 34.85 a
1997 8332.4 271.180 35.40 a
1998 8793.5 274.552 36.25 a
1999 9353.5 277.966 35.83 a
2000 9951.5 282.172 36.93 a
2001 10286.2 285.082 34.30 i
2002 10642.3 287.804 31.00 a
2003 11142.2 290.326 31.03 i
2004 11853.3 293.046 32.83 a
2005 12623 295.507 33.62 a
2006 13377.2 298.109 35.10 a
2007 14028.7 300.733 36.86 a
2008 14369.1 303.380 32.48 a
2009 13939 306.051 26.27 a
2010 14508.2 308.746 32.47 a
2011 14958.6 311.592 34.05 e
2012 15601.5 314.123 32.90 g

Legend:
a – actual reported
i – interpolated between actual reported values
e – estimated by usgovernmentspending.com
b – budgeted estimate in US fy13 budget
http://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/revenue_chart_1980_2015USp_13s1li011mcn_F0t#copypaste

Mick

March 1st, 2013
1:09 pm

paul

Yes, no problem my folks live in melbourne, get up that way quite a bit..

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 1st, 2013
1:10 pm

Mick:

“That jfk quote has a limited shelf life…I think you’ve gone way past the expiration date…”

Nope.

Guess what?

I will posts even older quotes in the future ………. you know, from people like Washington, Jefferson, Jesus …………… :o

td

March 1st, 2013
1:10 pm

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 1st, 2013
1:08 pm

“WASHINGTON MOCKS WOODWARD…

Press turns on one of their own…

Andrew Sullivan: He’s ‘a liar’…

Reporter: ‘People Waiting For Woodward To Die’… ”

Well, it looks like old BOB is now realizing what conservatives have all along ………….. the liberal press out there will leave no stone unturned to protect their biases.

“Liberal press”. We really do not have a liberal press any longer. It is now nothing more then the Obama propaganda machine.

DannyX

March 1st, 2013
1:11 pm

“WASHINGTON MOCKS WOODWARD…”

BENGHAZI!!

Mick

March 1st, 2013
1:11 pm

0311

Actually, woodward is learning that if you kiss up to the stupid party it makes you look, well stupid!!!

Progressive Humanist

March 1st, 2013
1:12 pm

For those complaining about Obama’s out of control spending- You might need a little 9th grade civics lesson. All spending bills originate in the House of Representatives, which has been controlled by Republicans for about 75% of the time over the last 20 years. So I guess all our spending problems stem from the 2 years when both the House and the White House were controlled by Democrats? Or could it be that you just hate Democrats and have a difficult time with cause and effect relationships?

East Lake Ira

March 1st, 2013
1:12 pm

I thought Jm was supposed to be somewhere in the Indan Ocean by now?

DannyX

March 1st, 2013
1:13 pm

“Jesus ……………”

0311, you got any good Jesus quotes on the rich people you love to worship?

middle of the road

March 1st, 2013
1:14 pm

“Seems we need to revisit the tax rate of everyone”

Marty – I would agree with you 100% there. If we want these services from the government, we have to pay for them.

Paul

March 1st, 2013
1:14 pm

Brosephus

Did you note that at 12:51 I posted, “Have you also noted how the evangelical/fundamentalist Republican Right is now using their religious philosophy to try to change the tax code? It all sounds like tithing. “You have this much, everybody pays the same percentage.”

Yet if a Muslim proposed that, they’d be all over him for trying to impose Sharia on us….”

And at 1:06

0311 posted: “Hummmm ……………. well “GOD” required a tithe of 10% ………… from the richest all the way down to the poorest. – “

Slick

March 1st, 2013
1:14 pm

What about the Dem lie that the GOP and rich have shifted the tax burden to the middle and lower classes. Not according to your chart. The American people are indeed being sold a story that is simply, factually untrue.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 1st, 2013
1:15 pm

Paul:

“Scout

You keep glossing over that minor point Justice Scalia wrote for the majority wherein they decided the right to a handgun in one’s home for lawful purposes is an individual right, not connected to a militia.”

Thank you …………. a “minor” point as you say and has nothing to do with WHY the 2nd Amendment was put there.

The American people are free through their elected representatives to draft new legislation regulating firearms. If the President signs it and the Supreme Court upholds it then it becomes the law of the land. If the Supreme Court rules the law is uncontitutional then the people are again free to alter, amend or even abolish the 2nd Amendment so as to make that law Constitutional.

That has NOTHING to do with why the Amendment was included in the first place which was to help ensure against tryrannical government.

levels of blackness

March 1st, 2013
1:16 pm

watched part of president phony photo oPs presser
can’t believe what a liar he is.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

March 1st, 2013
1:16 pm

Obama’s “Jedi mind meld” mixes up “Star Trek” and “Star Wars”

He failed the alien test. I guess he was born on this planet after all.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

March 1st, 2013
1:18 pm

0311, you got any good Jesus quotes

bumper sticker:
“Jesus is coming, look busy”

Recon 0311 2533

March 1st, 2013
1:18 pm

Do you believe it?

Paul, of course I believe it, after all we’ve removed about half from paying any income tax at all and in fact the bottom 20% is receiving refunds on income they didn’t earn. Add to that the 15% real unemployed along with the dramatic increase in those now receiving S.S. disability or other forms of government assistance. We have a federal government that borrows .40 cents for each dollar it spends. Do we have a revenue problem? Absolutely but its because of a shrinking tax paying base, shrinking earned income and spending that’s far out of balance with revenues coming in. We have to reign in spending, broaden our tax base and get this economy into high gear. The Obama formula just hasn’t worked.

td

March 1st, 2013
1:18 pm

Progressive Humanist

March 1st, 2013
1:12 pm

For those complaining about Obama’s out of control spending- You might need a little 9th grade civics lesson.

How about this civics lesson. When the US Senate has refused to take up a budget the House has passed and all appropriations bills are based off a budget then the House only has two choices of action: Continuing resolutions to keep the government running or 2: stop all spending and shut the government down.

Do you think the Republicans should shut the whole government down?

Jm

March 1st, 2013
1:19 pm

Paul 12:51

Not significantly

But what gets paid within quintiles by different taxpayers would change a lot

By design

middle of the road

March 1st, 2013
1:19 pm

“I cannot understand how any rational mind can propose that someone making 10,000.00 per year should pay income tax. ”
I propose that, and I believe I have a rational mind. Why should ANY group get a “free ride” and pay no income tax whatsoever? A minimum 2% (or 5%) income tax is not going to cause anyone to starve to death.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

March 1st, 2013
1:20 pm

THE TAX CODE IS MAKING US FAT

REPUBLICANS FOCUS ON LOWERING TAXES
LIBERALS WANT TO RAISE TAXES

THE SOLUTION IS TAX REFORM

WHY DOES AN UNHEALTHY HAPPY MEAL COST LESS THAN A PLATE OF BROCOLLI, ASPARUGUS AND OTHER HEALTY ITEMS???

BECAUSE THE TAX CODE SUBSIDIZES ALL THE PRODUCERS THAT ARE INVOLVED WITH THE MAKING OF A HAPPY MEAL………. AND THE PRODUCERS OF HEALTHY VEGETABLES GET NADA

TAX REFORM………..

Marty Huggins'

March 1st, 2013
1:20 pm

Quick numbers.

In 2010 there were 38 million people in America making $10,000 or less.
http://m.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/10/38-million-workers-made-less-than-10-000-in-2010-equal-to-californias-population/247146/

If each paid $50 per year or $4 per month it would equal $1.9 billion into the coffers.

That is less than 4- 20ounce sodas per month.

Everyone of us should pay income taxes. It is our duty to the nation for giving us a set of conditions that allow for our ability to be employed and earn a living.

Paul

March 1st, 2013
1:22 pm

Scout

You weren’t on the thread where Jay posted Scalia’s blunt dismissal that that reasoning is valid today?

He pointedly dismissed it.

So while you may like to stay a couple hundred years in the past with why something happened, you might want to think about coming into the present and seeing how that works in the present-day reality.

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By golly, I think I’ve just stated one of the impediments of our lalaland Republicans….

Bosch

March 1st, 2013
1:22 pm

Stands,

What’s even cuter is cons trying to do tax math.

DannyX

March 1st, 2013
1:22 pm

“The Obama formula just hasn’t worked.”

Wrong, if anything its the Bush tax cuts that didn’t work and didn’t do as promised.

middle of the road

March 1st, 2013
1:22 pm

I DO think that since we were looking at $85 billion in sequester cuts, that congress (both parties) should have set down and talked ONLY CUTS and at least decided where the cuts should have been made. Leave tax increases alone for right now. But they probably couldn’t agree even on WHERE to make the cuts.

barking frog

March 1st, 2013
1:23 pm

0311
I will posts even older quotes in the future ………. you know, from people like Washington, Jefferson, Jesus
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proceed, governor…..

Jm

March 1st, 2013
1:23 pm

Re $10k income earner paying taxes

I disagree

Low income taxpayers are highly likely to underreport earned income

Namely related to cash payments

Someone’s tax return may say $10k but they probably make much more

That’s why we should end the income tax and have a VAT

Among other reasons

Tax dodging becomes very difficult

They call me MISTER JamVet.

March 1st, 2013
1:23 pm

…how much more money do we want to steal from the American people…

STEAL???

What a disgusting excuse for an elected leader.

Not to excuse the mental torpidity, nor the gargantuan lack of honesty of many of our Republican bloggers here, but it is little wonder, given that the leader of that cancerous, anti-American gang is a blithering liar and fool, himself.

But it is still a free country and guppies are allowed to believe – and parrot – their head nitwit as they choose…

Paul

March 1st, 2013
1:25 pm

Thanks Recon.

I trust when you’re on other websites and people talk about their taxes under Obama are higher than they’ve ever been that you’ll point out the errors in their thinking?