When the GOP’s tax myth collides with reality…

The myth:

“The revenue issue is now closed…. You’re talking about how much — you’re asking a question, how much more money do we want to steal from the American people to fund more government? I’m for no more.”

– House Speaker John Boehner, Feb. 28, 2013

The reality:

Share of income paid in total federal taxes, 1979-2009, by income group

Source: Tax Policy Center, http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=456

Source: Tax Policy Center, http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=456

The American people are being sold a story that is simply, factually untrue. These are the most recent data available, indicating that every single income group is paying less of their income in taxes than at any point in the last 30 years.

– Jay Bookman

505 comments Add your comment

HDB

March 1st, 2013
11:59 am

Wonder will people actually know that government spending has also decreased over the past four years as compared to the past 30?? People are unwilling to learn the truth for themselves………….

getalife

March 1st, 2013
12:00 pm

“The American people are being sold a story that is simply, factually untrue.”

We expect that from the gop.

They have not changed and are self destructing.

Jm

March 1st, 2013
12:03 pm

A. Why does it stop in 2009? Might want to go get the 2010 and 2011 data.
B. You should probably do a pro-forma now that we have a 40% tax rate on the top income bracket. That data set will look very different after.
C. As always, you guys don’t separate out income taxes from Social Security and Medicare taxes. Those last two taxes pay for services received. If you strip those taxes out, for which a benefit (actually in excess of taxes paid) is received, then the picture looks very different.

http://taxfoundation.org/article/top-quintile-now-pays-94-income-taxes

In fact, the top quintile pay over 90% of income taxes.

There are lies, damn lies, and jaystistics.

JohnnyReb

March 1st, 2013
12:07 pm

What a spin, Jay. Who you trying to fool, excuse me, win over? The Moonbat regulars here already bought in hook, line, and sinker.

Income means nothing. How about adjusted gross income? Or, should all those “investments” your party wants to make be shuffled aside?

Jm

March 1st, 2013
12:08 pm

Jay, furthermore, the key point Republicans make that liberals ignore is this: the tax code is grossly unfair, absurd, and impossibly to comply with due to its complexity.

Republicans are advocating for a simpler, fairer, and ultimately lower rate tax code.

The dude who owns a bunch of show horses and yachts should pay as much in taxes as the Sam Waltons of the world who don’t blow all their dough on tax sheltered “investments”, which are really just lifestyle expenses.

Let capitalism thrive America, and we will all prosper. But first we have to wait out the end of the current occupant of the White House.

Brosephus™ -What is your major malfunction, numbnuts?

March 1st, 2013
12:09 pm

Didn’t take long for the water carriers and Mayflower Van drivers to start trying to move things around.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

JohnnyReb

March 1st, 2013
12:10 pm

One more thing –

My taxes just went up about 11%.

I totally don’t agree with the way Obama wants to use it.

He does not want and will not use it to pay down the debt. No, all he knows is spend, spend, spend. Give, give, give away.

Regnad Kcin

March 1st, 2013
12:11 pm

But, but, but, but, but…

Did sombody leave their motorboat running?

:D

Jm

March 1st, 2013
12:11 pm

impossibly = impossible

happy Friday

Brosephus™ -What is your major malfunction, numbnuts?

March 1st, 2013
12:12 pm

Republicans are advocating for a simpler, fairer, and ultimately lower rate tax code.

Jay’s chart shows that the share of taxes people are paying by income group is dropping. Is that NOT what the GOP strives for?

Hell, y’all conservatives should be shouting for joy, but I guess the reality of low taxes also includes the reality of soaring debt. Mofo’s can’t stop spending, and can’t control the growth of spending. As the population increases and technology advances, so will the costs of government. Anybody who thinks they can shrink spending in the long run is a fool.

Jm

March 1st, 2013
12:12 pm

“Didn’t take long for the water carriers and Mayflower Van drivers to start trying to move things around.”

Goalpost mover in chief occupies 1600 Penn Ave.

getalife

March 1st, 2013
12:13 pm

The gop are job killers so they want to kill thousands of more jobs and cut more pay.

cons call that winning to prove they are out of touch with reality.

I do enjoy watching the gop self destruct but hate that the American people have to pay for their ignorance.

It is time to end the gop party.

What good are they for the American people.

larry

March 1st, 2013
12:13 pm

Closing loopholes to raise revenue, i think that is what the president is proposing.

Funny, didnt Mitt Romney want to do the same thing and didnt most of the Republicans vote for him.

I guess its who is doing the proposing

Meanwhile, all of us who work for private companies who have government contracts have a meeting on Monday. I dont expect it to be pretty. Thanks, Mr. Boehner.

F. Sinkwich

March 1st, 2013
12:13 pm

Jay must have just gotten off his DNC conference call:

“Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said Thursday that the news media have an “obligation” to report that the Republicans are “unwilling to do what the American people want done” on looming automatic, across-the-board budget cuts.”

Which, of course, is raise taxes! So good soldier Jay trots out a chart demonstrating conclusively, undeniably, that all of us are under taxed.

Good job, Jay.

Jm

March 1st, 2013
12:13 pm

Bro. What the economic ignorants of the world fail to understand is there are significant differences between the impact of marginal tax rates and effective tax rates.

Marginal tax rates is how people make decisions.

Keep Up--Borderline Civility Fighter

March 1st, 2013
12:15 pm

I was hoping that Jay’s new blog system would block posting from GOP Narnia but obviously our conned are still living their fact-challenged myths.

barking frog

March 1st, 2013
12:16 pm

Now that taxes on the wealthy have been returned to
the Clinton rates we should raise taxes on the wealthy
to the Obama rates and, as Obama just said, cut entitlements.
This will allow the saving of Medicare once again.

ZoSo

March 1st, 2013
12:16 pm

Jour-no-lism

Keep Up--Borderline Civility Fighter

March 1st, 2013
12:17 pm

Marginal tax rates is how people make decisions

Well then, should be no problem closing the gap between the effective rate and the marginal rate since this is what is used for decision making anyway. :roll:

larry

March 1st, 2013
12:17 pm

Lets go ask the good people of Great Britan how austerity cuts and only austerity cuts are working.

Huh? They’re in another recession.

Oh. So certainly that will work here right?

Woodstock Mike

March 1st, 2013
12:18 pm

It’s so sad to see for the first time in America we have a president that could care less about the hard working Americans that actually drive this country. Business owners who employ Americans, the successful Americans that worked their way to the top. All you ever hear from him is middle class Americans are his priority. Over and over again. His interpretation of a middle class family is also so out of touch with reality. It’s a shame he never thanks the people who drive the economy, who continue to fight even though their own president is against them. Only demonizes them. And it’s working. Low income Americans hate successful people in America more than any time in our country. Bill Clinton didn’t do it this way. This president could be great but the strategy of making low information Americans believe successful people don’t deserve what they have is terrible.

ByteMe - Got ilk?

March 1st, 2013
12:18 pm

It’s “Reality” vs. “Republican”….

Reality Loses!!!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 1st, 2013
12:19 pm

Just goes to show that the faithful will argue with a chart.

Too funny

Jay

March 1st, 2013
12:19 pm

“Jay must have just gotten off his DNC conference call…”

That’s a pathetic little dodge to let you avoid having to deal with facts and reality, Sinkwich.

DEM

March 1st, 2013
12:19 pm

“These are the most recent data available, indicating that every single income group is paying less of their income in taxes than at any point in the last 30 years.”

Uh, not exactly, at least not until you account for changes in the definition of income over these years under IRS regs.

Brosephus™ -What is your major malfunction, numbnuts?

March 1st, 2013
12:19 pm

What the economic ignorants of the world fail to understand is there are significant differences between the impact of marginal tax rates and effective tax rates.

Marginal tax rates is how people make decisions.

Well, why not remove all those loopholes and make the EFFECTIVE tax rates equal the marginal rates? Marginal rates don’t mean jack sh*t and I think GE, Mitt Romney, and many of those who take full advantage of every single tax deduction, shelter, and loophole shows that.

Mick

March 1st, 2013
12:20 pm

Stiglitz, krugman, and many other esteemed economists tell us that while the deficit is a problem, it is not the #1 issue right now – unemployment is! I agree, this deficit pr hype is driven by billionaire pete peterson and why is that? They are not satisfied with what they have, no, they want it all. More jobs, less deficit. I mean really do not people carry a mortgage on their house with 30 years to pay it off? All of the deficit garbage as soon as obama walks thru the door – the people reject republican obstruction, the election proved it…

Aquagirl

March 1st, 2013
12:21 pm

I totally don’t agree with the way Obama wants to use it.

Oh, boo-hoo, you can’t run the country without being elected. UNFAIR!!!!!

This is why I don’t pay one iota of attention to Tea Potty types, they’re all upset because they have to live in a Republic and can’t get their way like dictators. They actually have to live with a consensus.

ByteMe - Got ilk?

March 1st, 2013
12:21 pm

Marginal tax rates is how people make decisions

Really? I haven’t thought about mine in years.

Fred ™

March 1st, 2013
12:21 pm

ZoSo

March 1st, 2013
12:16 pm

Jour-no-lism
+++++++++++++++++++++++

Oh Pin Yun Column

Dummy. Learn to read.

ZoSo

March 1st, 2013
12:22 pm

Kiss it Fred

Fred ™

March 1st, 2013
12:23 pm

What type of business do you own Woodstock Mike?

Paul

March 1st, 2013
12:23 pm

First three posts say it all-

I love data.

Jm

You might want to go to the Tax Policy Center website and read about the impact of SS and Medicare in those calculations.

“In fact, the top quintile pay over 90% of income taxes. ”

So are you saying the top 20% of households should pay 20% of income taxes?

Fred ™

March 1st, 2013
12:23 pm

Oh my the mystery meat alt is mad for having yet another irrelevant “point” blasted to smithereens.

Jefferson

March 1st, 2013
12:24 pm

Your fair share, Reb. You got your fair share of the income too I guess.

stands for decibels - Private Pyle has a full magazine that is locked and loaded

March 1st, 2013
12:24 pm

so they want to kill thousands of more jobs and cut more pay.

Well, basically they want more people chasing fewer jobs, but yeah, same thing basically.

Oh, and jm, the uppers pay more nowadays because they OWN and EARN more. As has been pointed out to you over and over again, and will continue to be, so long as you trot out those same WSJ talking points.

Woodstock Mike

March 1st, 2013
12:24 pm

How about this reality Jay? But hey, we are in a recovery, right? And none of this has anything to do with Obama, correct?

“Americans saw their income drop so dramatically in January that it marked the deepest one-month decline in 20 years.

Personal income decreased by $505.5 billion in January, or 3.6%, compared to December (on a seasonally adjusted and annualized basis). That’s the most dramatic decline since January 1993, according to the Commerce Department.”

keith

March 1st, 2013
12:24 pm

bookman/liberal approved leadership: Detroit faces a $327 million budget deficit, more than $14 billion in long-term debt and persistent cash flow issues.

Mick

March 1st, 2013
12:24 pm

woodstock

That is a crock, one thing about americans is that we want to make money and if someone is successful – more power to them! However, if the game is rigged for the wealthy, regarding taxes, then something has to give…

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

March 1st, 2013
12:25 pm

What’s wrong with letting the bridges collapse? Letting the poop run in the streets?

We want a first rate country? What’s wrong with our 4th rate country?

Peadawg

March 1st, 2013
12:25 pm

“demonstrating conclusively, undeniably, that all of us are under taxed”

Glad you agree!

td

March 1st, 2013
12:25 pm

Jay,

Could you please also post a table that shows the amount of revenue received by the Federal government since 1970? These numbers would make for a nice comparison.

Jeffrey

March 1st, 2013
12:25 pm

Wow just saw boehner on CNN Is it possible to do a recall on some of the house seats that just got elected? I bet there is enough buyers remorse with some of the yahoos that you could probably remove a few of these anti tax nut jobs.

ZoSo

March 1st, 2013
12:26 pm

For you Fred

JournoList (sometimes referred to as the J-List)[1] was a private Google Groups forum for discussing politics and the news media with 400 “left-leaning”[2] journalists, academics and others. Ezra Klein created the online forum in February 2007 while blogging at The American Prospect and shut it down on June 25, 2010 amid public exposure and controversy. He controlled the forum’s membership and limited it to “several hundred left-leaning bloggers, political reporters, magazine writers, policy wonks and academics”.[2] Posts within JournoList were intended only be made and read by its members.[3] Klein defended the forum structure saying that it ensures “that folks feel safe giving off-the-cuff analysis and instant reactions”.[2]

Woodstock Mike

March 1st, 2013
12:26 pm

Hi Mick,

That is where you need to do some research. No game is rigged for anyone. For instance, I come from a middle class family and have worked my way to become wealthy. Just got up every single day for the last 15 years and busted my butt. Now I am wealthy. Is that rigged?

Paul

March 1st, 2013
12:26 pm

It’s so usual, but still so amazing.

Not ONE single on-point response comparing the data with the Republican assertion that we’re taxed to death, that this soshulist prezident has raised taxes to unheard of levels in pursuit of his evil agenda.

Brosephus™ -What is your major malfunction, numbnuts?

March 1st, 2013
12:26 pm

Byte Me: Really? I haven’t thought about mine in years.

That’s because you don’t have to make decisions as a member of the Moocher Society of America.

:lol: :lol:

Voter

March 1st, 2013
12:27 pm

Question for Jay Bookman and others. is the Federal Wage Tax, (the table shown above), the only taxes the Federal Government taxes the American people on? Isn’t there others like Alcohol, Cigarettes, Gasoline, Capital Gains, etc.?

Jefferson

March 1st, 2013
12:27 pm

Pat your self on the back Mike, you are full.

Woodstock Mike

March 1st, 2013
12:27 pm

Jeffrey,

What do you think tax rates should be?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 1st, 2013
12:28 pm

INCOMES DROP MOST IN 20 YEARS…

Top left column drudgey spam.

Puppy piddle in 3…2…1….

keith

March 1st, 2013
12:29 pm

didnt obama promise the stimulus would fix all those infrastructure problems? remember his shovel ready jobs? now here he goes again and the ignorant fools on the left are groveling all over him. geez jay will you EVER learn?

Fred ™

March 1st, 2013
12:29 pm

WOODSTOCK MIKE? Can I deduct from your silence that in fact you DON’T own a business and as such really haven’t a clue as to what problems face a business owner small OR large?

JohnnyReb

March 1st, 2013
12:29 pm

Here’s reality – http://www.kiplinger.com/article/taxes/T054-C000-S001-where-do-you-rank-as-a-taxpayer.html

It’s on Adjusted Gross Income – AGI, and this was through 2010. The Top group will now pay even more than this.

Top 1% make 19% of all income and pay 37% of all income taxes

Top 5% make 34% of all income and pay 59% of all income taxes

Top 10% make 45% of all income and pay 71% of all income taxes

Top 25% make 68% of all income and pay 87% of all income taxes

Top 50% make 88% of all income and pay 98% of all income taxes

Bottom 50% make 12% of all income and pay 2% of all income taxes

And, the Left’s answer – tax the high income people more. Just how idioitc and selfishess.

ByteMe - Got ilk?

March 1st, 2013
12:30 pm

is the Federal Wage Tax, (the table shown above), the only taxes the Federal Government taxes the American people on? Isn’t there others like Alcohol, Cigarettes, Gasoline, Capital Gains, etc.?

Excise taxes are shown if you go to the link at the bottom of the chart Jay posted. Shows that the lower quintiles pay a higher excise tax rate than the higher quintiles (2-3 times higher).

Mick

March 1st, 2013
12:30 pm

woodstock

Congrats on your success, stop whining about your taxes. The more you make, the more they should take. Before you cry punishing success, what would you rather – make 500k at a higher tax rate or not make 500k at all? It’s a fairness issue and nobody wants to take it all. I applaud your success again…

Dang!

March 1st, 2013
12:30 pm

What is glaringly obvious is that the bottom three quintiles’ share has gone from 41% to 19%. The top four have gone from 63% to 35%. The top quintile is roughly the same as 1983. The question then is who is not paying this famous fair share we all hear about? Any objective observer would have to say that if there is a revenue problem, it’s because of the bottom 80%

Woodstock Mike

March 1st, 2013
12:31 pm

If we know that Americans have seen their biggest drop in income in almost 20 years how do you think taxing rich people more will make incomes rise?

Jefferson

March 1st, 2013
12:31 pm

I think tax rates should be what they were when President Clinton left office, maybe higher until the interest payments stop.

keith

March 1st, 2013
12:31 pm

jay, its 2013, not 2009. update yourself.

Brosephus™ -What is your major malfunction, numbnuts?

March 1st, 2013
12:31 pm

dB @ 12:24

Well, when your transmission is stuck on stupid, you keep repeating yourself. :lol:

————–

Paul @ 12:26

I’d have to add what I stated earlier to your post. Seems as though the GOP/Conservative people would be happy that their 30-40 year quest for people to “keep more of their own money instead of giving it to the government” has been so very successful. Almost half of America legally have no fed income tax liability, which means they get to keep more of their money. Corporations are seeing more and more tax returns with zero liability as well. For some odd reason, they don’t want to recognize the overwhelming success of their efforts. I wonder why?

Paul

March 1st, 2013
12:31 pm

td

Here.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals

Table 1.3

You will note receipts under Obama are less, in constant dollars, than it was under Bush.

Marty Huggins'

March 1st, 2013
12:32 pm

Seems we need to revisit the tax rate of everyone.

Not just the wealthiest Americans.

Look at the graph everyone has seen their tax rate drop by at least 6% point.
While the bottom 3 have all seen a more than 7% drop.

All while the wealthiest have seen their rate drop by less than 4%

With that information why is it the wealthiest who’s rates we discuss.

Any politicians on either side proposing raising everyone’s tax rates.

ByteMe - Got ilk?

March 1st, 2013
12:32 pm

Bottom 50% make 12% of all income and pay 2% of all income taxes

Also reality: bottom 50% own the same amount of assets as the top 400 families. That’s 170 million vs. 400. It’s idiotic to think that this level of inequality is how you sustain a stable society.

Peadawg

March 1st, 2013
12:32 pm

“tax the high income people more”

As opposed to what, tax the poor more? THAT’LL work! /sarc

Golden Boy

March 1st, 2013
12:32 pm

Jay

Go back and review JFK’s tax cut of 1963 and look at the effect on revenue. It increased when rates were reduced. This was what Reagan based his tax cut of 1981 on. So follow your party’s “Golden Boy” and help us balance the budget

AnotherCheerleaderInMedia

March 1st, 2013
12:32 pm

Jay, you have got to be kidding me? The reality is that our federal govt. has a massive spending problem and our country is going broke. I spent time in Spain recently, their unemployment is up over 26%. That is what socialist entitlement spending does to a nation and it’s economy.

What I want to know is, how can you sleep at night knowing you’re carrying water for this incredibly incompetent and now we find out, outright liar. At least guys like Woodward, Lanny David, and Fournier have the journalistic integrity to call out Obama and his admin on their lies and intimidation of reporters. You should be ashamed.

keith

March 1st, 2013
12:32 pm

I think tax rates should be what they were when President Clinton left office, maybe higher until the interest payments stop. – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/01/when-the-gops-tax-myth-collides-with-reality/?cp=1#comment-1248044

welfare payments, food stamps etc should STOP until the debt is paid off.

Woodstock Mike

March 1st, 2013
12:32 pm

Mick,

Again, you are blinded by your politics. I have no issue at all with my taxes. I paid around 150K in federal income tax alone for 2012. I feel like that is my fair share. What are your thoughts? I haven’t complained once about my tax rate. Wake up man, quit making things up.

Jefferson

March 1st, 2013
12:32 pm

It not what you pay that matters, it what you have left that matters and how much sweat it took to get it. Sweat ain’t equal either.

Brosephus™ -What is your major malfunction, numbnuts?

March 1st, 2013
12:33 pm

Any objective observer would have to say that if there is a revenue problem, it’s because of the bottom 80%

Any objective observer would say that the GOP has been quite successful at helping people keep more of their money, but it sounds as though you want to raise taxes on people.

MANGLER

March 1st, 2013
12:34 pm

It would be a lot easier if it simply read the same number across that board. But nooo … can’t do that. Poor people would still be poor and wealthy people would still be wealthy and taxes would be easier to understand. Can’t have that.

stands for decibels - Private Pyle has a full magazine that is locked and loaded

March 1st, 2013
12:34 pm

I think tax rates should be what they were when President Clinton left office, maybe higher until the interest payments stop.

How about until J-Reb stops crying about having to pay for them Union troops he imagines are still stationed outside his plantation?

ByteMe - Got ilk?

March 1st, 2013
12:34 pm

All while the wealthiest have seen their rate drop by less than 4%

You do understand that the graph shows quintiles, which are blocks of 20% of the population and that there’s a HUGE difference in tax rates between the top 5% and the top 0.1%, right?

F. Sinkwich

March 1st, 2013
12:35 pm

“That’s a pathetic little dodge to let you avoid having to deal with facts and reality, Sinkwich.”

Actually, Jay, I thought it was pretty good. But I’ll work on it.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

March 1st, 2013
12:35 pm

Johnny Reb wants the poorest people – those struggling to put food on their table and feed their kids – to pay more in taxes. Just don’t ask the “haves” to contribute more, right?

Johnny Reb is the Sheriff of Nottingham in the Robin Hood story.

JohnnyReb

March 1st, 2013
12:35 pm

ByteMe – our Country is based on equal opportunity, not equal outcome.

That’s Obama’s objective, to rob peter, give to paul, so outcome if more even. And, make no mistake, it is robbery.

Granny Godzilla

March 1st, 2013
12:35 pm

td

March 1st, 2013
12:35 pm

Revenue As Percent Of GDP
Fiscal Years 1900 to 2010Year GDP-US
$ billion nominal Population-US
million Total Direct Revenue -total
percent GDP
1900 20.567 76.212 7.89 i
1901 22.269 77.680 7.62 i
1902 24.062 79.176 7.04 a
1903 25.93 80.701 6.82 i
1904 25.681 82.255 7.09 i
1905 28.788 83.839 6.62 i
1906 31.037 85.453 6.62 i
1907 33.851 87.099 6.60 i
1908 30.133 88.776 7.47 i
1909 32.229 90.486 7.31 i
1910 33.423 92.229 7.66 i
1911 34.343 93.523 7.89 i
1912 37.384 94.836 7.55 i
1913 39.14 96.167 7.61 a
1914 36.479 97.516 8.68 i
1915 38.675 98.885 8.56 i
1916 49.638 100.273 7.31 i
1917 59.702 101.680 7.13 i
1918 75.835 103.107 9.77 i
1919 78.333 104.554 12.03 i
1920 88.393 106.022 13.02 i
1921 73.603 107.626 14.61 i
1922 73.432 109.254 12.69 a
1923 85.414 110.908 11.46 i
1924 86.947 112.586 11.85 i
1925 90.575 114.290 11.68 i
1926 96.949 116.019 11.69 i
1927 95.544 117.775 12.78 a
1928 97.365 119.557 13.10 i
1929 103.6 121.366 12.99 i
1930 91.2 123.203 14.77 i
1931 76.5 124.071 16.48 i
1932 58.7 124.945 17.53 a
1933 56.4 125.825 19.14 i
1934 66 126.712 17.12 a
1935 73.3 127.605 16.98 i
1936 83.8 128.504 16.21 a
1937 91.9 129.410 16.90 i
1938 86.1 130.321 20.31 a
1939 92.2 131.240 19.14 i
1940 101.4 132.165 17.56 a
1941 126.7 133.966 16.56 i
1942 161.9 135.792 17.51 a
1943 198.6 137.643 20.19 i
1944 219.8 139.519 29.47 a
1945 223 141.421 30.24 i
1946 222.2 143.349 27.69 a
1947 244.1 145.303 25.43 i
1948 269.1 147.283 24.90 a
1949 267.2 149.291 24.55 i
1950 293.7 151.326 22.70 a
1951 339.3 153.917 24.32 i
1952 358.3 156.552 27.98 a
1953 379.3 159.232 27.62 a
1954 380.4 161.958 28.46 a
1955 414.7 164.731 25.66 a
1956 437.4 167.551 27.35 a
1957 461.1 170.420 28.01 a
1958 467.2 173.337 27.91 a
1959 506.6 176.305 26.26 a
1960 526.4 179.323 29.08 a
1961 544.8 181.588 29.14 a
1962 585.7 183.881 27.54 a
1963 617.8 186.204 27.89 a
1964 663.6 188.555 27.74 a
1965 719.1 190.937 26.92 a
1966 787.7 193.348 27.34 a
1967 832.4 195.790 28.84 a
1968 909.8 198.263 27.85 a
1969 984.4 200.766 30.46 a
1970 1038.3 203.302 30.92 a
1971 1126.8 205.515 29.06 a
1972 1237.9 207.752 29.55 a
1973 1382.3 210.013 29.60 a
1974 1499.5 212.299 30.63 a
1975 1637.7 214.609 30.14 a
1976 1824.6 216.945 29.99 a
1977 2030.1 219.307 31.07 a
1978 2293.8 221.694 30.59 a
1979 2562.2 224.107 31.09 a
1980 2788.1 226.546 31.77 a
1981 3126.8 228.670 32.48 a
1982 3253.2 230.815 33.10 a
1983 3534.6 232.979 31.23 a
1984 3930.9 235.164 31.07 a
1985 4217.5 237.369 31.95 a
1986 4460.1 239.595 32.27 a
1987 4736.4 241.842 33.40 a
1988 5100.4 244.110 32.86 a
1989 5482.1 246.399 33.24 i
1990 5800.5 248.710 33.23 a
1991 5992.1 251.802 33.07 a
1992 6342.3 254.933 33.07 a
1993 6667.4 258.103 33.39 a
1994 7085.2 261.312 33.51 a
1995 7414.7 264.561 34.27 a
1996 7838.5 267.850 34.85 a
1997 8332.4 271.180 35.40 a
1998 8793.5 274.552 36.25 a
1999 9353.5 277.966 35.83 a
2000 9951.5 282.172 36.93 a
2001 10286.2 285.082 34.30 i
2002 10642.3 287.804 31.00 a
2003 11142.2 290.326 31.03 i
2004 11853.3 293.046 32.83 a
2005 12623 295.507 33.62 a
2006 13377.2 298.109 35.10 a
2007 14028.7 300.733 36.86 a
2008 14369.1 303.380 32.48 a
2009 13939 306.051 26.27 a
2010 14508.2 308.746 32.47 a

stands for decibels - Private Pyle has a full magazine that is locked and loaded

March 1st, 2013
12:36 pm

welfare payments, food stamps etc should STOP until the debt is paid off.

Keith, when was the last time the “debt was paid off?”

Do you even know the answer?

(dumb question, I know, but I can’t wait to hear how he handles this…)

larry

March 1st, 2013
12:36 pm

And, the Left’s answer – tax the high income people more. Just how idioitc and selfishess.

No just close their loopholes. Wasn’t that in the Republican platform last year?

I believe it was. And now they dont want no part of it.

Fred ™

March 1st, 2013
12:36 pm

Woodstock Mike is afraid to answer my question. How typical of the Republicans. Spew crap but never substantiate it.

Granny Godzilla

March 1st, 2013
12:37 pm

ROBBERYGHAZI!

Jefferson

March 1st, 2013
12:37 pm

If you get all the money why should you pay all the taxes. I’m talking money OVER what it takes to eat and live.

Voter

March 1st, 2013
12:38 pm

Dr. Ben Carson quoted it correct. Fixed percentages for income taxes, (10% for example, for easy math), for all wage earners. You make a $10 Billion a year, you pay $1 billion in taxes, you make $50 thousand a year you pay $5000 in taxes. Why complicate everything?, this is simple and everyone pays a fair share.

BlahBlahBlah

March 1st, 2013
12:38 pm

How come the sky didn’t fall this morning?

getalife

March 1st, 2013
12:38 pm

“Income Posts Largest Drop In 2 Decades”

The gop want to cut income more.

Americans are not self defeatists like you cons.

The gop are going down for good.

DebbieDoRight - Going Over The Fiscal Cliff In A Barrel, With High Heels On

March 1st, 2013
12:38 pm

JM: the tax code is grossly unfair, absurd, and impossibly to comply with due to its complexity.

Well, when the republicans controlled (for about 6 years), the Presidency, The House, and the Senate — why didn’t they take that opportunity to CHANGE it then?

Oh wait, Terri Schiavo! Sorry. I just answered my own question………. :roll:

django

March 1st, 2013
12:38 pm

Why are dems so dead set on raising taxes. They have already got one tax increase. I guess they can’t help themselves but to keep giving out those freebies to their sheep…

Jefferson

March 1st, 2013
12:39 pm

At least you get a politican in your pocket…

nobodyouknow

March 1st, 2013
12:39 pm

Mr. O’bama is a smooth talker. Thats why he’s president. I just don’t really understand all the figures and data sheets.Its way over my head. Its also hard for me to beleive the Republicans would want us to lose jobs and fall into a bad recesson. As far as taxing the wealthy, GO FOR IT, it sure will not be me. Besides the country is so deep in debt it will only be a drop in the bucket as far as cureing the trillions in debt we are in. In my many years on this earth I do know one thing, the more money we give Washington the more they spend. WASTE is a better word.

Jm

March 1st, 2013
12:39 pm

“So are you saying the top 20% of households should pay 20% of income taxes?”

No Paul. First I believe in a flatter simpler tax code than we have now. And I believe in a progressive tax code. Just not a stupid tax code like we have. Sheesh.

stands for decibels - Private Pyle has a full magazine that is locked and loaded

March 1st, 2013
12:39 pm

Can someone please explain the concept of “proportional spaced fonts” to our “td?”

(I’d have thought he’d grasped as much back in the “rathergate” days but I guess he was off on a bender that month.)

Paul

March 1st, 2013
12:39 pm

keith

“didnt obama promise the stimulus would fix all those infrastructure problems? remember his shovel ready jobs?”

No, he didn’t

“… geez jay will you EVER learn?”

geez keith will you EVER learn?

Mick

March 1st, 2013
12:39 pm

woodstock

What about your prejudices? I really hate being lumped in with all the folks you demonize daily. I’ve never collected one dime from the gov’t in over 45 years of working, yet I’m a taker? Damn straight I want that social security and all I hear is that it has to be cut. I don’t accept that, when it comes to paying creditors, the people should be first in line…

JohnnyReb

March 1st, 2013
12:39 pm

larry – Obama got his tax increase. Closing loopholes is, in effect, another increase. People would pay more tax dollars even though the rate would not go up.

No more tax increases. Reduce spending. It’s really simple. It’s just not wealth redistribution as Obama wants to do.

ByteMe - Got ilk?

March 1st, 2013
12:40 pm

ByteMe – our Country is based on equal opportunity, not equal outcome.

Agreed, but when those with the most tilt the table so that those with the least can’t get an equal outcome, then society eventually destabilizes. You think it’s an accident that the pay disparity between CEOs and common folks has widened dramatically over the past 30 years? The game has always been rigged in favor of the wealthy, but that rigging was kept in control through high tax rates on them… and once that disincentive was removed in the 1980’s, we’re seeing how well that’s worked out.

Brosephus™ -What is your major malfunction, numbnuts?

March 1st, 2013
12:41 pm

Jay

Will you please give td some attention and rub his belly. Talk about the dumbest crap to argue. Everybody knows that revenue will increase as long as GDP, incomes, and other things increase. That dude needs a red card for being stuck on stoopid. :lol:

Next, he’ll want to argue that water is wet and the sun is hot. :lol: :lol:

DebbieDoRight - Going Over The Fiscal Cliff In A Barrel, With High Heels On

March 1st, 2013
12:41 pm

td@ 12:35 — td just posted a bunch of numbers that he has no idea how to read.

Voter

March 1st, 2013
12:41 pm

@BlahBlahBlah – “How come the sky didn’t fall this morning?”

It did, for the Government Exclusive, the private jets, the golf courses, the seminars and conventions. Hopefully one day, the Government will stop wasting tax dollars. Not likely tho.