Ethics and gamesmanship in the Ga. Legislature

The words could almost be considered a threat, a warning shot across the bow from one legislative chamber to the other:

“If the speaker sends a bill that is a total ban (on gifts) and the House has … made a deliberation that they are willing to live under that, then they need to be prepared for that to become law,” Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle warned almost a month ago, referring to an almost total ban on lobbyist gifts proposed by House Speaker David Ralston.

Cagle’s message to the House was pretty clear: Do not posture on this issue and think that the Senate will save you from yourself. Do not assume that you can pass a strict ethics bill, making yourself look good in the process, and then expect the Senate to play the patsy by killing it.

If you pass it, we’ll pass it too. And then where will we all be?

Since that veiled warning, the House has indeed “made a deliberation” that it is willing to live under a gift ban. In fact, if the House is bluffing in its support for major ethics reform, as Cagle seemed to suggest, it is doing so with gusto. On Monday, it voted 164 to 4 in favor of House Bill 142, the centerpiece bill of Ralston’s gift-ban proposal.

It will be interesting to see what happens next. On the first day of the 2013 session, the Senate tried to cast itself as the more ethical body by adopting an internal rule banning its members from accepting lobbyist gifts worth $100 or more. Senate leaders, including Cagle, were quick to laud themselves for their “decisive action on this critically important issue.”

Then the inter-chamber rivalry began. Ralston declared himself unimpressed with the Senate gift limit, dismissing it as “more of a visor than a cap,” and doing so in Cagle’s presence. His subsequent proposal to ban almost all gifts regardless of value upped the ante considerably and made the Senate’s gesture seem meager by comparison.

So what does the Senate do now? The $100 gift limit is no longer a viable option, and any Senate bill that uses that approach as its standard will be seen by the public as a rejection of reform. The Senate’s institutional pride, not to mention Cagle’s ambition for higher office, will require that it at least match Ralston’s game-changing proposal. And there are certainly places where the Ralston bill can and should be tightened.

The situation would seem to have set up a virtuous cycle, with the two chambers trying to outdo each other in their enthusiasm for reform. But there’s a very real if hidden danger as well.

The nightmare scenario all along has been that the House passes a tough ethics bill, while the Senate passes a different but perhaps equally tough bill. In the final hours of the legislative session, the two chambers reluctantly pronounce themselves unable to come to agreement, which means that neither bill passes. Everybody gets to portray themselves as champions of reform, blaming failure on the other guy, while business as usual continues. A win-win outcome, except for the public.

Could that happen? It’s certainly worth watching. The Legislature has the same ratio of saints to sinners as the population at large, which is another way of saying that beneath the Gold Dome, no saints walk.

But that’s not to say that they have no saint-like attributes. Quite the contrary. As they posture and maneuver on ethics reform, they bring to mind a famous prayer by one of the greatest saints of all, Saint Augustine.

“Dear God,” Augustine prayed. “Please make me good and chaste. But not just yet.”

– Jay Bookman

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Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

March 1st, 2013
7:02 am

“The nightmare scenario all along has been that the House passes a tough ethics bill, while the Senate passes a different but perhaps equally tough bill. In the final hours of the legislative session, the two chambers reluctantly pronounce themselves unable to come to agreement, which means that neither bill passes. Everybody gets to portray themselves as champions of reform, blaming failure on the other guy, while business as usual continues. A win-win outcome, except for the public.”

This is the expected outcome. The GOP has no shame and the Georgia Congress has even less. Oh well, on to the next.

Vinny

March 1st, 2013
7:10 am

Jay – Are you going to change your column to the “Weenie – Post”?

TaxPayer

March 1st, 2013
7:12 am

If we put a circus tent over the state capitol, we could sell tickets and raise enough money to easily cover that Medicaid expansion.

Doggone/GA

March 1st, 2013
7:14 am

“Jay – Are you going to change your column to the “Weenie – Post”? – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/01/ethics-and-gamesmanship-in-the-ga-legislature/?cxntfid=blogs_jay_bookman_blog#sthash.oznaWkhx.dpuf

vinnie – are you going to change you blog name to Weenie Vinnie?

Doggone/GA

March 1st, 2013
7:24 am

If we put a circus tent over the state capitol, we could sell tickets and raise enough money to easily cover that Medicaid expansion. – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/01/ethics-and-gamesmanship-in-the-ga-legislature/?cp=1#comment-1247668

Or just paint the building to look like a clown car

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 1st, 2013
7:25 am

Happy Sequestration everybody!. Watch for those airliners falling out of the sky.

Madmax

March 1st, 2013
7:27 am

Oh my Gawwd, we went over the cliff, complete chaos reigns, planes are falling out of the sky, roads are crumbling, people are rummaging the trash cans for meals, looters are running wild and we have to declare marshall law and break out the militia all because the federal faucet has been tightened and jay wants to discuss ethics at the capital (is that a conundrum?).

stands for decibels - tagline available for rent

March 1st, 2013
7:27 am

The nightmare scenario all along

Ok, even I think you might be overstating things a tad, there. They’re already corrupt; failure to enact a bill would merely maintain the status quo, after all.

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 1st, 2013
7:27 am

“then they need to be prepared for that to become law ” – a warning, a threat

“you’ll regret it” – not a threat

southpaw

March 1st, 2013
7:29 am

Another prayer would also be good, in case they talk a great game and then end up doing nothing, as Jay describes.

“Lord, please help me make my words tender and sweet, for later I may have to eat them.”

stands for decibels - tagline available for rent

March 1st, 2013
7:29 am

…granted, I recognize that this is not only an issue you care about, but that you and Kyle and others have tried mightily to publicize, so the emotional investment is nontrivial.

Obviously, I do hope that they don’t slither out of this, as it appears they could do quite easily.

Brosephus™

March 1st, 2013
7:29 am

The word “ethics” in Georgia carries the same negative connotation as the word “liberal” to Georgia GOP members. I expect serious and meaningful ethics reform from them just as I expect to sprout wings and a feathery tail.

Jay

March 1st, 2013
7:30 am

Lame, heathen.

You do not honestly believe that Woodward was threatened. Yet you can’t bring yourself to acknowledge it, so you take solace in a weak potshot.

Sad.

stands for decibels

March 1st, 2013
7:31 am

Since that veiled warning

Soon as I read that line, I knew *some* weenie would try to play the Butthurt Booby Woodward card.

but… GH? et tu?

tisk, tisk, tisk.

stands for decibels

March 1st, 2013
7:31 am

Man, I hate when I get pre-empted with a good bit of righteous snark by the blog-host. Damn you Jay!

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 1st, 2013
7:32 am

A little touchy this morning, Jay?

stands for decibels - [insert Full Metal Jacket line here]

March 1st, 2013
7:33 am

Jay. You’ve posted some ugly, hateful stuff in the past, but…

The Legislature has the same ratio of saints to sinners as the population at large

That’s going to be hard to forgive.

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 1st, 2013
7:34 am

I think Woodward is a big boy and was playing the “incident” for publicity. I just thought the semantics was interesting.

Thomas Heyward Jr

March 1st, 2013
7:34 am

It is a good thing that our Reps are spending so much time trying to out-honest each other.
This leaves less time spent on legislating on who they’re going to pee-test next or who are they’re going to steal form next.
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Regardless, it’s a futile gesture.
Either one has morals or one dosn’t.
The answer is simple, it being
FULL DISCLOSURE and an easy way to access this info. …and vote accordingly.
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“I had taken a course in Ethics. I read a thick textbook, heard the class discussions and came out of it saying I hadn’t learned a thing I didn’t know before about morals and what is right or wrong in human conduct.”
Carl Sandburg

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 1st, 2013
7:36 am

AJC headline: Tampa area man swallowed by sinkhole

Sequestration strikes early.

Doggone/GA

March 1st, 2013
7:38 am

“Sequestration strikes early”

Now that was truly ugly. That man is DEAD and he died in a particularly horrible way. Pity you’re godless, otherwise I’d advise you to pray for forgiveness for making fun of a man’s death

They call me MISTER JamVet.

March 1st, 2013
7:39 am

Jack Abramoff said that Georgia is a “lobbyist Disneyland with a national reputation for loose regulation”.

“If I were a lobbyist here I would run through that bill in three seconds,” he said. At a later stop, Abramoff referred to his speaking tour and said, “Wherever I went people would reference Georgia as the worst place for ethics.”

Georgia – arguably the worst of the worst in terms of unethical state politicians.

EXACTLY the way the equally unethical GOP voters of Georgia want it…

Stevie Ray

March 1st, 2013
7:39 am

JAY

State governments are simply microcosms of our federal government…we are witnessing the efficacy of the latter…the ultimate statement of the fact that we simply are not a priority. None certainly respect our money…and the lies continue..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/sequester-spin-the-threat-to-free-meals-for-seniors/2013/02/28/daed6ee2-8211-11e2-b99e-6baf4ebe42df_blog.html

Thomas Heyward Jr

March 1st, 2013
7:39 am

In a letter to principal investigators and researchers, MIT’s vice president for research outlines the possible impact here.
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Most of us have been following the news regarding sequestration and wondering, if it happens, how it will impact our research programs.

At this point it appears highly unlikely that a budget deal will be struck by the Friday (March 1) deadline, and so across-the-board budget cuts, i.e., the sequester, will likely take effect. The across-the-board feature limits agency discretion and means all agency programs will be affected. Defense discretionary spending (including defense R&D) will be cut 7.3% and domestic discretionary spending (including non-defense R&D) will be cut 5.1% for FY13; sequestration continues for a decade. The federal government is currently operating on a six-month continuing resolution (CR), which funds the government through March 27. A budget must be passed by then to avert a complete government shut down.
We regret to announce that all 356,000 RATS involved with the BTBI Duke University /MIT collaboration will be furloghed and subsequently “loaned” to our Reptile Studies Unit .

They call me MISTER JamVet.

March 1st, 2013
7:41 am

Regarding my last observation in my last post, look no further than Max at 7:27.

Shameful…

Stevie Ray

March 1st, 2013
7:41 am

JAY

Woodward is not threatened…the words “don’t go down that road” or whatever are not threatening….especially to guy like him..

The WH is extremely threatened by Woodward. They won’t be able to do any damage to his credibility…the left doesn’t like what they are hearing…heaven forbid the WH engage in cutting corners to win a cowards blame game…

Bosch

March 1st, 2013
7:42 am

Well Doggone, he is a godless heathen, so……

Georgia Legislators pimping their “ethics” again. Yawn.

Doggone/GA

March 1st, 2013
7:43 am

“Well Doggone, he is a godless heathen, so”

Hi Bosch! yes, he is but that’s no excuse for being ugly

Stevie Ray

March 1st, 2013
7:44 am

Thomas Heyward Jr

March 1st, 2013
7:39 am

Don’t forget the 1000 homes that won’t get retrofitted for energy efficiency according to whoever is puppet energy secretary..

“their shooting the cans! We have to save the cans! ” NAVIN JOHNSON (aka The Jerk)

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 1st, 2013
7:45 am

Dog: The man is missing. Unfortunate, indeed. GOP’s fault.

Granny Godzilla

March 1st, 2013
7:45 am

Geez, some people apparently can’t walk and chew gum at the same time!

SEQUESTERGHAZI!

They call me MISTER JamVet.

March 1st, 2013
7:46 am

I strikes me that in addition to raging ODS, many (most?) of the cons also have USDS – Uncle Sam Derangement Syndrome…

Even attributing our state’s scumbag local pols to him.

Federal gub’mint overreach, I tells ya!

Brosephus™

March 1st, 2013
7:46 am

I see the ODS Crew have had their coffee this morning.

Brosephus™

March 1st, 2013
7:48 am

And the sinkhole comment wasn’t necessary. Doubling down on it is f**ked up.

stands for decibels - [insert Full Metal Jacket line here]

March 1st, 2013
7:48 am

oh, I see-the point of this comments thread is to deflecturbate to some topic you’d actually like to discuss. Lemme try my hand:

On Monday, it voted 164 to 4 in favor of House Bill 142

Kinda like how the vote went on re-authorizing the Voting Rights act just a few years ago. Senate went 98-0, House went 390-33. I guess they knew that the five sheet-wearing pricks on the SCOTUS would fix it for them in a reasonable amount of time.

…how’d I do?

Stevie Ray

March 1st, 2013
7:49 am

They call me MISTER JamVet.

March 1st, 2013
7:39 am

Your honor, may we present evidence to support your contention? I may be last to see this as usual..

http://247wallst.com/2012/03/22/americas-most-corrupt-states/3/

Thomas Heyward Jr

March 1st, 2013
7:49 am

Actually…………there IS fourth option.
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Due to SEQUESTATION………..all Ethics Legislation will be postponed.

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 1st, 2013
7:49 am

Bosch is back! Let me catch you up. Obama great. GOP sucks. That about covers the past 2 weeks.

Bosch

March 1st, 2013
7:49 am

Hi Doggone! Sometimes ugliness is all you have – and that’s sad.

southpaw

March 1st, 2013
7:50 am

Mr. Tibbs @7:39

And Jack Abramoff would NEVER say something that wasn’t true.

Bosch

March 1st, 2013
7:51 am

Godless, that covers the past four years. I know Obama is great and the GOP sucks.

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

March 1st, 2013
7:51 am

Bro: Shouldn’t you be down at the soup kitchen? The line is going to be long later.

Stevie Ray

March 1st, 2013
7:51 am

Can anyone tell me why the DEMs appear to be rooting for the worst case scenario outcomes of sequesters to prove a political point?

Not many of the revelation like BS appears to be considered possessing great validity…Don’t worry, who knows, some of it may come true.

Brosephus™

March 1st, 2013
7:51 am

dB

Based on some of the early comments, you should use “What is your major malfunction, numbnuts?” for your tagline.

Madmax

March 1st, 2013
7:51 am

Jammie – Why don’t you and Jay get off your GOP hate wagon for a bit. Georgia’s, for that matter, the entire South’s reputation for ethics has been where it is long before the relatively recent rise of the GOP. The GOP is no more unethical than the Dems. Gerrymandering, payoffs, favoritism, etc have been rampant at the capital, the airport and in the city of Atlanta for as long as I can remember and if I remember correctly, a fair number of the mayors of this fine city have had a D next to their name. So please don’t give me the BS that the Dems are saints.

Jay

March 1st, 2013
7:51 am

“The WH is extremely threatened by Woodward. They won’t be able to do any damage to his credibility

True, Stevie Ray. Woodward, on the other hand, can do and has done signifficant damage to his credibility. Put bluntly, he has been caught in a rather large, quite conscious and blatant lie.

Given his current trajectory, he may end his career as a right-wing crank, a more famous version of the late Robert Novak.

Doggone/GA

March 1st, 2013
7:51 am

“Dog: The man is missing”

The latest report said searches found no signs of life and even some of the equipment disappeared and cannot be retrieved.

Doggone/GA

March 1st, 2013
7:53 am

“Hi Doggone! Sometimes ugliness is all you have – and that’s sad.
– See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/01/ethics-and-gamesmanship-in-the-ga-legislature/?cp=1#comment-1247713

It is indeed

Granny Godzilla

March 1st, 2013
7:53 am

BOSCH!

Sweetie! How good to see you! How’s the family?

alex

March 1st, 2013
7:54 am

Jay, read your production this am, your usual syncophants will say something obnoxious, humor reserved for an anonymous blog about the GOP and the redundancy that is cynicism.Back to the cave for the former science writer at the AJC……Perhaps Sports is next….just give him a paycheck….

Brosephus™

March 1st, 2013
7:54 am

godless

I don’t think smartass looks good on you. I see where you’re going with your posts, but I would just leave it alone if I were you. The best way to make someone look foolish is NOT to look like an ass yourself.

Escaped from Email Purgatory

March 1st, 2013
7:55 am

“A win-win outcome [neither bill passes] except for the public.”

There’s a good reason why nobody likes politicians.

Doggone/GA

March 1st, 2013
7:56 am

“The best way to make someone look foolish is NOT to look like an ass yourself. – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/01/ethics-and-gamesmanship-in-the-ga-legislature/?cp=1#comment-1247714

Because you might end up making them look good by comparison

stands for decibels - Private Pyle has a full magazine that is locked and loaded

March 1st, 2013
7:57 am

Bros, I thought about that, but I like this one better.

stands for decibels - Private Pyle has a full magazine that is locked and loaded

March 1st, 2013
7:58 am

a more famous version of the late Robert Novak.

Has Booby taken to stuffing himself into shiny vests?

They call me MISTER JamVet.

March 1st, 2013
7:59 am

southpaw, so you disagree with his assessment? (This should be good…)

So please don’t give me the BS that the Dems are saints.

Do you always hang out there in your own reality, Max? Making up stuff out of thin air, does not exactly help your cause.

Thomas Heyward Jr

March 1st, 2013
7:59 am

They call me MISTER JamVet.

March 1st, 2013
7:46 am

I strikes me that in addition to raging ODS, many (most?) of the cons also have USDS – Uncle Sam Derangement Syndrome…
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Will that keep me from owning a firearm?

Brosephus™ -What is your major malfunction, numbnuts?

March 1st, 2013
7:59 am

dB

Ok. I’ll co-opt it for myself then as I honestly think it’s a relevant question this morning.

Stevie Ray

March 1st, 2013
8:02 am

Jay

March 1st, 2013
7:51 am

Has he retracted the subject statements?

GT

March 1st, 2013
8:06 am

Woodward reminds me of a tennis player in his prime beating everybody on the court but aging now and hanging around for the attention. The youth of America don’t follow Woodward don’t even know who he is, so if he is to get a following it has got to be old white guys, the Nixon like crowd of this century, who are the right, who think the world is a soap opera and love the drama of fear and threats.

As for our state legislature they won’t follow these rules anyway. We need to assign a drone that parks itself over each or at least the usual big dog spenders and follows them around after this is passed.

We spend billions of dollars lining up drug raids with swat guys dress up like action heroes; we could spend a few bucks following the real crooks around, the Ga. State Legislature, and actually get our money’s worth instead of losing a war for show. The corruption of private business even drug wars can be won and lost, but when you lose the war of corrupt government you have burnt through your last firewall of civilization.

Jay

March 1st, 2013
8:07 am

Stevie Ray, not that I’ve seen. He has attempted to say that he was misquoted in his Politico interview, which wasn’t taped. However, he said essentially the same thing, claiming that he was threatened, in his on-air CNN interview, so that particular defense doesn’t do much for him.

alex

March 1st, 2013
8:08 am

If some of you want to read something of interest that just may expand your horizons, read Chapter 19 of Thinking ,Fast and Slow. It is entitled” the illusion of understanding. Delay your obnoxious comment back to me, read the chapter, then fire away, if you can……

BSNBC

March 1st, 2013
8:09 am

Obama has become another Nixon!

They call me MISTER JamVet.

March 1st, 2013
8:09 am

Will that keep me from owning a firearm?

Another “overreaching federal gub’mint coming to take my guns away” nut, huh?

They have not yet passed it, but fortunately for you the only thing that would (and arguably should), would be a basic mental and emotional competency test.

Your Randian hold on reality seems a bit tenuous…

Thomas Heyward Jr

March 1st, 2013
8:13 am

OMG!
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This sequestation is…………is………..it’s………(gulp)……….cosmetic facial surgery with a ………………CHAINSAW!
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What will these guys do?
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/26/you-are-still-barely-free_n_2769194.html?utm_hp_ref=the-agitator

Stevie Ray

March 1st, 2013
8:13 am

JAY

I understand but when all is said and done, the distraction of opining on threats or not, he clearly unearthed a problem for the WH. He seemingly got across the “chicago moat” that none others have scaled and hit a nerve.

It doesn’t really matter one way or another. What matters is if the WH doesn’t implement the sequester adjustment to slow growth in fashion that avoid all the scare tactics….if they do, I’m sure they will claim savior status, at least that’s what the subject of his possible next round of “speeches” will pitch.

I’m frankly happy we go over cliff. Time to separate the wheat from the chaff…these adjustments can be implemented without panic as being sold….particularly if they somehow extend cuts into entitlements as BO already identified..Fun stuff.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 1st, 2013
8:13 am

Well, looks to me like folks got loaded up on smarta$$ pills with their Wheaties this morning. So I’m going to do what I always do when a fight breaks out at Billy Bob’s: find a quiet corner and watch.

Have a Good Friday everybody.

Stevie Ray

March 1st, 2013
8:15 am

Thomas Heyward Jr

March 1st, 2013
8:13 am

I don’t know about y’all but I’m taking morning off and buying up all the duct tape at local ACE. Staying out of the skies as well….I’m not sure if we are at a safe enough distance from closest nuclear facility but I’m gonna address that exposure as well.

Perhaps these doomsday preppers will turn out to be the real genius’s..

Road Scholar

March 1st, 2013
8:18 am

Madmax: ” The GOP is no more unethical than the Dems.”

Really? The same repubs who, when in the minority, complained about how the Dems abused the situation (items furnished by you) and then said things would be totally different when they became in charge. No Change. Same abuses…including tacking on a lie!

Stevie Ray

March 1st, 2013
8:18 am

GT

March 1st, 2013
8:06 am

So you don’t like what he says? You should probably build a better defense than the youth of america won’t trust him…they rank as one of the higher low information voters that like a rock star. None of them will go much further than the talking points such as yours..

They call me MISTER JamVet.

March 1st, 2013
8:19 am

Obama has become another Nixon!

This absurdity again, get real meat? I blew you up yesterday for posting it…

…when Tricky Dick had his “enemies list” submitted in evidence during the US Senate’s Watergate Committee trials.

Your melodrama needs work…

At a minimum your inane, wildly misinformed comparison between Nixon’s infamous criminality and Obama’s non-criminality leads me to conclude that you were not paying much attention at all to current events while in HS. Or now.

Peadawg

March 1st, 2013
8:21 am

For all the chicken little and sky falling talk the past few days…it looks pretty nice outside.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

March 1st, 2013
8:22 am

LAUGHABLE PHRASE OF THE YEAR

BOB WOODWARD MAY BECOME A RIGHT-WING CRANK

ONLY IN LIBERAL-LAND

Thomas Heyward Jr

March 1st, 2013
8:22 am

Stevie Ray

March 1st, 2013
8:15 am

Thomas Heyward Jr

March 1st, 2013
8:13 am

I don’t know about y’all but I’m taking morning off and buying up all the duct tape at local ACE. Staying out of the skies as well….I’m not sure if we are at a safe enough distance from closest nuclear facility but I’m gonna address that exposure as well.

Perhaps these doomsday preppers will turn out to be the real genius’s..
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I’m with ya Bro.
I’ve got plenty of water and milk (NOT RAW milk of course)………and I’m huckered down accordingly.
Kept my wife home from work…………what with the pot-holes and terrists and such.
I just hope the inner-nets hold out.

Stevie Ray

March 1st, 2013
8:22 am

Road Scholar

March 1st, 2013
8:18 am

Wait until meals on wheels doesn’t suffer after all…this is pretty serious pickle for WH and others using scare tactics to avoid being adults about our financial situation…

I’m not much of a fan for GOP, but if/when the sky doesn’t fall they can easily pin this disingenuous pitch to the people for what it is..

Funny how the last 2 presidents who got second term didn’t fare so well in final 4 years…could this be a trend.

Cherokee

March 1st, 2013
8:23 am

“Soon as I read that line, I knew *some* weenie would try to play the Butthurt Booby Woodward card.”

And they will keep bringing it up for the next four years, Stands….

Stevie Ray

March 1st, 2013
8:24 am

Thomas Heyward Jr

March 1st, 2013
8:22 am

Can one submit for unemployment benefits before the fact?

Simple Truths

March 1st, 2013
8:24 am

Jay, pretty lame with your attack on Woodward about the threat and his credibility.

Peadawg

March 1st, 2013
8:24 am

“while business as usual continues.”

Which is what’s probably going to happen. I’m not holding my breath on a cap/ban on lobbyest gifts.

southpaw

March 1st, 2013
8:24 am

JamVet

I’d suggest getting someone more trustworthy to make the same statement before believing it. Maybe I just spend my time with the wrong Georgians, but the ones I know are pretty ethical.

They call me MISTER JamVet.

March 1st, 2013
8:24 am

BTW, when I refer to BHO’s non-criminality I am referring only to his not having Nixonesque “hit lists” aimed at his “enemies”, who he targeted for tax audits or trailed by private detectives, among other notorious measures.

BSNBC/Get Real has ZERO idea what he is talking about when he makes the comparison…

GT

March 1st, 2013
8:25 am

BSNBC you ever worry about waking up one day and like a disease you can’t tell the difference between an Obama and a Nixon. Kind of like being color blind only you are slime blind.

You will find out some day if you ever mature that ethics is far more important than even a budget. When you lose total honesty to the point that you can afford a whole network that is dedicated to the filter of honesty and defends the mobster as a Christian as if that was a seal of approval, you well realize why some of us vote the way we do. You will find this family block that they claim to defend is far more represented by the middle that respects both halves of the marriage, which in the terms of the right trickles down to the children. These state legislatures don’t need to be out with lobbyist they need to be home with that family. Understanding what they need not some special interest in Washington.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

March 1st, 2013
8:26 am

OF ALL THE MEDIA OUT THERE

BOB WOODWARD IS ONE OF THE LAST WHO DOES NOT INTERJECT PERSONAL BIAS INTO HIS REPORTING

SO NOW BOTH SIDES ATTACK HIM WHENEVER HE REPORTS SOMETHING AGAINST THEIR SIDE THAT THEY DON’T LIKE

BUT PRAISE HIM WHEN HE REPORTS SOMETHING THAT MAKES THE OTHER SIDE LOOK BAD

SHAME
SHAME
SHAME

Stevie Ray

March 1st, 2013
8:26 am

Cherokee

March 1st, 2013
8:23 am

Whats wrong with using this, and possibly exposure to intentional scare tactics (if that’s the way they turn out) as fodder for the next 4 years?

Your guy exempt from mistakes and challenge?

They call me MISTER JamVet.

March 1st, 2013
8:26 am

southpaw, you did not answer a very simple question.

Why not? (which is a second question!)

DannyX

March 1st, 2013
8:26 am

“I’m not much of a fan for GOP”

When you express outrage at non-issues like the Woodward story you sure do seem like one, Stevie Ray.

Jay

March 1st, 2013
8:27 am

Simple, the plain, well-documented facts of the case give me all the support I might need.

MikeB

March 1st, 2013
8:28 am

Good morning Jay,
I must say, I had a great laugh at your expense this morning ……. This headline “Ethics and gamesmanship in the Ga. Legislature”

You are a scream! {ok.. Sarcasm voice off} Its funny how you get all riled up about what goes on in the Statehouse, but you completley condone, aid and contribute to the lack of ethics and overload of gamesmaship at the Federal level…. The 4 Estate is unfortunately a pharse in America today…. Just an extension of the Whitehouse Press Office…. That said, its hypocritical to the max for you to be considered objective when discussing state government….. Sure things could be improved there as well, but lets be real…. You are not the objective journalist that is going to point out what is going to be fixed…..

MikeB

March 1st, 2013
8:28 am

4th Estate… excuse the misspell….

Redcoat

March 1st, 2013
8:29 am

I can here it now…..It depends on what your definition of “gift” is……….

Doggone/GA

March 1st, 2013
8:29 am

“Its funny how you get all riled up about what goes on in the Statehouse – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/01/ethics-and-gamesmanship-in-the-ga-legislature/?cp=1#sthash.TwIGLG8P.dpuf

Give it to Mikey. He’ll eat anything!

Redcoat

March 1st, 2013
8:30 am

oops…..hear*

Union

March 1st, 2013
8:31 am

ethics – politics / oil – water. not just in ga.. but we all know this..

that being said.. jay.. ive been reading up on dr. nicolelis.. that is awesome..

Thomas Heyward Jr

March 1st, 2013
8:31 am

Stevie Ray

March 1st, 2013
8:24 am

Thomas Heyward Jr

March 1st, 2013
8:22 am

Can one submit for unemployment benefits before the fact?
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That depends on if you were a “necessary” or “un-necessary” government worker.
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See labor.gov…………………….IF that website is still up.
(we’re under a sequestor……ya know.)

TBS

March 1st, 2013
8:32 am

SR

Obama imo is a mediocre President and I have said as much several times.

With that said for a “non believer”(I’m not a “believer” either), you sure seem to do a lot of praying and hoping for the man’s downfall.

The irony to me is rather amusing, but do carry on.

Peace

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As for the GA legislature. Not holding my breath, but do hope they come up with some sort of reform.

The Democrat good ole boys of yesterday have been replaced by the Republican new ole boys of today. Some are the same politicians, so why would the voters think much was going to change?

stands for decibels - Private Pyle has a full magazine that is locked and loaded

March 1st, 2013
8:32 am

the last 2 presidents who got second term didn’t fare so well in final 4 years

arghhhh….

Some people need step-by-step directions, I guess.

1. Click this link.

2. Click on the pictures of Bill Clinton and GW Bush.

3. Drag the sliders to make sure you include both of these guys’ entire second terms in your timeline.

4. Have a look of how the public actually felt about one of those “didn’t do so well in his second term” guys.

(I know that conservatives love to cling to the notion that the House’s lame-duck session 1998 circle jerk actually hurt Clinton, but it most decidedly did not.)

Stevie Ray

March 1st, 2013
8:32 am

DannyX

March 1st, 2013
8:26 am

Pretzel logic my friend. I’m not standing with GOP as much as faulting the tactics BO chose to push himself and with his cabinet puppetry.

They all suck in my book but I’m actually taking sides of tax payers presently.

Great quote..

“The worst-case scenario for us,” a leading anti-budget-cuts lobbyist told The Post, “is the sequester hits and nothing bad really happens.”

Think about that. Worst case? That a government drowning in debt should cut back by 2.2 percent — and the country survives. That a government now borrowing 35 cents of every dollar it spends reduces that borrowing by two cents “and nothing bad really happens.” Oh, the humanity!

They call me MISTER JamVet.

March 1st, 2013
8:33 am

Union, true dat.

But it was interesting that the four worst states – Georgia, South Dakota, Wyoming and Virginia are all pretty much dead red GOP…

GT

March 1st, 2013
8:35 am

Danny X I imagine we will hear a lot of these guys telling us they were not fans of the losing side in the years to come. Like they tell the illegals they were not against them after they wanted to lynch a few in the South Carolina primary, or gay marriage and now want to make the record straight they weren’t throwing red meat in the Fla. primary.

It is like a bully abusive husband the morning after wanting to forget the whole matter as the wife sits with her black eye. You were a bully then and you are a bully now, who are selfish and want your way or the highway. Well buster the road is open keep moving.

southpaw

March 1st, 2013
8:35 am

JamVet

I’ll try again. I’m not buying Abramoff’s “people would reference Georgia” quote until he tells who they are. Jay aptly points out that the legislature has a mix of saints and sinners. I haven’t seen other state legislatures in actions, but they likely are not significantly more or less ethical than ours. They all consist of politicians. Need I say more?