Ethics and gamesmanship in the Ga. Legislature

The words could almost be considered a threat, a warning shot across the bow from one legislative chamber to the other:

“If the speaker sends a bill that is a total ban (on gifts) and the House has … made a deliberation that they are willing to live under that, then they need to be prepared for that to become law,” Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle warned almost a month ago, referring to an almost total ban on lobbyist gifts proposed by House Speaker David Ralston.

Cagle’s message to the House was pretty clear: Do not posture on this issue and think that the Senate will save you from yourself. Do not assume that you can pass a strict ethics bill, making yourself look good in the process, and then expect the Senate to play the patsy by killing it.

If you pass it, we’ll pass it too. And then where will we all be?

Since that veiled warning, the House has indeed “made a deliberation” that it is willing to live under a gift ban. In fact, if the House is bluffing in its support for major ethics reform, as Cagle seemed to suggest, it is doing so with gusto. On Monday, it voted 164 to 4 in favor of House Bill 142, the centerpiece bill of Ralston’s gift-ban proposal.

It will be interesting to see what happens next. On the first day of the 2013 session, the Senate tried to cast itself as the more ethical body by adopting an internal rule banning its members from accepting lobbyist gifts worth $100 or more. Senate leaders, including Cagle, were quick to laud themselves for their “decisive action on this critically important issue.”

Then the inter-chamber rivalry began. Ralston declared himself unimpressed with the Senate gift limit, dismissing it as “more of a visor than a cap,” and doing so in Cagle’s presence. His subsequent proposal to ban almost all gifts regardless of value upped the ante considerably and made the Senate’s gesture seem meager by comparison.

So what does the Senate do now? The $100 gift limit is no longer a viable option, and any Senate bill that uses that approach as its standard will be seen by the public as a rejection of reform. The Senate’s institutional pride, not to mention Cagle’s ambition for higher office, will require that it at least match Ralston’s game-changing proposal. And there are certainly places where the Ralston bill can and should be tightened.

The situation would seem to have set up a virtuous cycle, with the two chambers trying to outdo each other in their enthusiasm for reform. But there’s a very real if hidden danger as well.

The nightmare scenario all along has been that the House passes a tough ethics bill, while the Senate passes a different but perhaps equally tough bill. In the final hours of the legislative session, the two chambers reluctantly pronounce themselves unable to come to agreement, which means that neither bill passes. Everybody gets to portray themselves as champions of reform, blaming failure on the other guy, while business as usual continues. A win-win outcome, except for the public.

Could that happen? It’s certainly worth watching. The Legislature has the same ratio of saints to sinners as the population at large, which is another way of saying that beneath the Gold Dome, no saints walk.

But that’s not to say that they have no saint-like attributes. Quite the contrary. As they posture and maneuver on ethics reform, they bring to mind a famous prayer by one of the greatest saints of all, Saint Augustine.

“Dear God,” Augustine prayed. “Please make me good and chaste. But not just yet.”

– Jay Bookman

318 comments Add your comment

TBS

March 1st, 2013
10:31 am

RB

From a personal standpoint, I hope you do well with your business

With that said, how much revenue did you generate by posting your diatribe @ 10:25?

Put some more irony on that bagel. After all, it is the new cream cheese.

GT

March 1st, 2013
10:33 am

MikeB ask me?

I really don’t think you are a liar on purpose you just too dumb to know better. I think God separates knowledgeable liars like FOX to dumb liars like you or the guy who thought he saw an UFO.

A man that can’t read, which I imagine Georgia leads the way, can’t expect to be truthful, he can only be expected to speak on what he knows. Since he has not traveled in groups outside his own, his language and knowledge can’t be expected to expand beyond the lies he hears and repeats. There you see your soul is saved as long as you don’t go hanging anybody, be very careful of that and incest and you should be fine.

pete

March 1st, 2013
10:35 am

What Woodward tried to tell folks is that it is Obama that keeps moving the goal posts. Obama doesn’t want compromise, he wants chaos. It is a shell game he is playing. That way the target is always moving. The Repubs cave and give Obama what he wants, then Obama demands more. There will NEVER be compromise because Obama is changing the rules as he goes along. This administration is pushing for these cuts to happen on purpose, and will blame the Repubs when disaster hits. David Gergan explained it perfectly last night. Obama’s plan is to continue moving the goal posts and blame Repubs. This is a game for Obama. Make folks suffer, then ride in on his white horse and claim to save everyone by increasing taxes and nationalizing healthcare for all.

Welcome to Communism comrades. It is too bad that Jay doesn’t have the ‘nads or knowlege to explain the truth to his minions.

Brosephus™ -What is your major malfunction, numbnuts?

March 1st, 2013
10:35 am

RB

Quit whining. YOU decided to own and run a business. Nobody here forced you do that. If you don’t like it, close shop and go work for somebody else. Mfer’s never want to take responsibility for their own decisions, yet want to blame everybody else for their sh*t.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 1st, 2013
10:35 am

D. DoRight — “Wow! Only Joe can come up with stuff like that!”

I must point out that I’m not the author, but I do recognize quality when I see it. :D

“Hey, so how do you say, “L.A. face with an Oakland Booty” in “cultured” tones?”

My Latin’s quite rusty and my grammar’s terrible (the first Mrs. JHM was far better than I am), but possibly something in the neighborhood of “un faciem L.A. cum clunes Oaklandium/Oaklandibus” (a face of LA with booty of Oakland).?

Hey, the Catholic Church is doing a lot of outreach these days; maybe a local priest could help you out with that? :D

Fred ™

March 1st, 2013
10:35 am

Am I lying Fred

Yes. You say “playing tit for tat” is not what youare about, yet that is ALL your first post is about. Jay’s article is on GEORGIA ehtics reform, yet that isn’t good enough for you because his tit, Georgia ethics, isn’t YOUR tat, the Federal level.

Don’t try changing the subject on me pal. I’m not talking about the federal level or at this point even a lack of ethics in the state level. I’m talking the lack of ethics and morals on a PERSONAL level, YOUR lack of ethics and morals. YOUR lies, evasdions, baits and switches and over all lack of intellectual and personal integrity or morals.

Stay on track, do evade, don’t lie, don’t move the goal posts, don’t practice any of the reprehensible behavior traits you have shown so far and are falsely attributing to others. I took YOUR statements and was talking about YOU. When you can take responsibility for your own despicable actions, THEN I’ll be happy to discuss the problems in the National level that you seem to want to use to excuse the crap going on here on the state level.

Lies don’t fly past me homie.
Changing the subject doesn’t fly past me homie.
Diversions and obfuscation doesn’t fly past me homie.
Answer for yourself without blaming others homie.

deegee

March 1st, 2013
10:39 am

How much revenue do you think I’ll be able to generate for my business while I’m on Bookman’s blog beeotching about how much work I have to do?

Fred ™

March 1st, 2013
10:41 am

How much revenue do you think I’ll be able to generate for my business while I’m filling out all these BS forms?

Sounds to me like you are totaly unsuited to own a business. Since you obviously lack the knowledge and experience to handle routine personel matters you should hire someone who actually knows what they are doing to help you out of the mess you have made. Hell, outsource it, privatize it as you are always preaching about. If you need some good companies that handle that sort of stuff chief let me know. They actually do it cheaper than you can hiore someone full time to do it.

But of course since you obviously do less harm to the smooth running of your business when you are screwing up time sheets maybe you should just stick to the way you are doing it. In my case it cost me more money to do the routine paperwork than to have a secretary do it, but then I’m probably more valuable to my business than you are to yours.

Mick

March 1st, 2013
10:42 am

pete

Yes…uh-huh we are definately on the path to communism, brilliant synopsis of how we are going to get there. Maybe then we could get 300 mph bullet trains like china!!!

stands for decibels - Private Pyle has a full magazine that is locked and loaded

March 1st, 2013
10:42 am

A coke or cup of coffee, thats all one should accept.

I’d be a little more generous. How much is a corn-dog, typically?

Let’s make it double the median price of a corn-dog. I double dog dare ‘em to set the limit there.

(Full disclosure: Mostly, I don’t want to miss fabulous photo ops involving the likes of Michelle Bachman, here at home.)

appleseed

March 1st, 2013
10:44 am

Believe Fred got up on wrong side today.

Generation EBT er

March 1st, 2013
10:44 am

Just went to the beer store & laid for the hooker…
…yea it’s still runnin’

RB from Gwinnett

March 1st, 2013
10:45 am

“With that said, how much revenue did you generate by posting your diatribe @ 10:25? – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/01/ethics-and-gamesmanship-in-the-ga-legislature/?cp=3#sthash.4X9RbvfU.dpuf

None. But I guess you and clown Brocephus think business owners should just happily comply with all this crap, don’t say anything about it, and be happy. You would be wrong.

BTW, I tried to call the department who sent me this crap to ask a question about it. They said their computers are down so they can’t help me with anything and then hung up on me. Do you suppose if I toss their effing paperwork in the trash can instead of spending more of my time calling them back they’ll waive those fines they say they’ll charge me for not doing this crap?

Fred ™

March 1st, 2013
10:46 am

GT

March 1st, 2013
10:24 am

The disease in Georgia is apathy. How many eligible people vote, 30%?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
Google is your friend. The CORRECT number would be 59.76%. Of 3,660,403 people of voting age (not necessarily eligible), 3,613,747 are registered. Of that 3,613,747, 2,159,624 voted in 2012.

http://www.idea.int/vt/countryview.cfm?id=79

stands for decibels - Private Pyle has a full magazine that is locked and loaded

March 1st, 2013
10:46 am

the Catholic Church is doing a lot of outreach these days

And the Vatican’s prayer-writing team isn’t doing much of late, so…

GT

March 1st, 2013
10:47 am

pete Obama was the first elected president with over 50% of the vote twice in decades. He has the right to move the goal post; he has the majority of the American people behind him. The right has verbally said they’re whole goal is to upset Obama’s, and in doing so the American people’s will, apple cart. O could cure cancer and these selfish people would veto it.

What you have is a guerrilla fighter holding out the last post of white male over 30 superiority, claiming the elected majority is gaming the minority. Why? You are the one lacking the numbers; you have to be the one gaming the system to exist. Any part of your game is to declare the other side gaming. And I say if they voice of the American people is gaming let the games begin.

kawasaki kid

March 1st, 2013
10:48 am

Sounds like the plan all along…What a shamless bunch of “public servants” we’ve given power to!

Joe Hussein Mama

March 1st, 2013
10:48 am

Brosephus — “Quit whining. YOU decided to own and run a business. Nobody here forced you do that. If you don’t like it, close shop and go work for somebody else. Mfer’s never want to take responsibility for their own decisions, yet want to blame everybody else for their sh*t.”

Totally agree.

For years, I did consulting work all over the US, and in all that time, I was *never* self-employed because it was too much freakin’ work. Filing taxes quarterly, incredibly complex multi-state tax bulldada, having to sell myself and chase new gigs down, price-shopping for my own health insurance — it was all too much considering the 50-60 hour weeks PLUS the weekly commutes by air back and forth AND having to constantly unpack and repack bags for the week’s trip.

So I simply made sure that I was always represented by a consulting firm that did the same work I did. Sometimes, I’d get sent out on a team (with a full-service firm) and sometimes I’d get sent out on my own (with a more boutique firm), but *never* did I get into that nightmare of having to do it all myself. That way lies madness IMO.

I sympathize with you, RB, but that’s part of being a business owner/manager. If you want those fat rewards for running the show, then you have to put up with the suck part of it like you’re doing now.

Fred ™

March 1st, 2013
10:49 am

Believe Fred got up on wrong side today.

Why/ Because I point out lies and expect truth? that’s the side of the bed I get out of everyday Mr. Mystery Meat.

RB from Gwinnett

March 1st, 2013
10:50 am

BTW, I went in to business to run a business I care about, not to fill out paperwork for every dam government agency that feels like it has the right to a piece of my business. I can’t move my business off shore, but I can dam sure see why people would to get away from this crap.

Fred ™

March 1st, 2013
10:54 am

LOL dB, you ALMOST got me. It’s funny how often I look at the material first and the source second. I wonder if I could get a job writing there. THAT would be fun:

“After sitting with his team of writers for approximately seven minutes and warmly reminiscing about a certain humorously botched sermon from 2009,……..”

I wonder how much wacky weed they go through a week :mrgreen:

TBS

March 1st, 2013
10:54 am

RB

You reap the rewards from the success of your business and that is good, but you also must do the work to get there. That work isn’t always tied directly to the product or service you are selling. Many people are doing the same thing as you and managing to make it work. You not some lone martyr.

You are welcome to do as you are doing, crying and whining on this blog about government paperwork, but I doubt it will get done any quicker nor will you generate any revenue but that is your choice.

If it is such a burden, do as Bro suggested, close shop and do something else. I doubt your whining is going to change anything regarding that paperwork you must fill out.

Maybe it would be more productive if you contacted local county and city officials to see if that gets you some traction and solve the problems that seem to ail you. I doubt they have any medicine for what ails you based on your usual chipper demeanor, but it might be worth a try.

Now go out and have a good day….. if you know how to do that

Brosephus™ -What is your major malfunction, numbnuts?

March 1st, 2013
10:54 am

But I guess you and clown Brocephus think business owners should just happily comply with all this crap, don’t say anything about it, and be happy. You would be wrong.

Life is full of choices, RB. Don’t whine to us about the reprecussions of the choices that YOU made for YOURSELF. I don’t wanna hear it, and it seems as though others may think the same way. How hard is that for you to understand?

Thug

March 1st, 2013
10:55 am

I wonder who Morgan Tukes’ sphere of influence voted for?

Brosephus™ -What is your major malfunction, numbnuts?

March 1st, 2013
10:58 am

RB

I’ll also state that I wish you no ill will and success in your business. My point is that, people like you preach the “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” stuff but never live by your own words. If/When I decide to go into business for myself, I have to live with that decision. Right now, I don’t have the time to put into such an endeavor.

We all choose what we want to do. If you made the wrong choice, you can always change directions. Whining won’t accomplish anything other than pissing those off who might otherwise be sympathetic and/or empathetic towards your issue.

Fred ™

March 1st, 2013
10:59 am

BTW, I went in to business to run a business I care about

No you didn’t. You went into business to make more money. And when/if you ever quit making money you will stop. Your little diatribes leave me personally unmoved as I have no problem making money any time I want to make money. I’m GOING to open up a restaurant, (notice I say GOING TO not WANT TO). I don’t have all the cash I need yet but I will get it. Talk about Gov’t regulations……. there are so many regs to running a joint like that I don’t even know what questions to ask…….. that’s why I’m hiring a very experienced pro. We’ll get her done though and NOT whine about Obama while we are doing it any more that I whined about Clinton or Bush while running this business. Heck, my long time accountant died in November, I didn’t even whine about that.

If you spent as much time DOING your business as you do whining about it, you would probably be a billionaire.

GT

March 1st, 2013
11:01 am

Actually for that election one of the biggest turnouts in the last few decades of state elections, the percentage was 47.8%. But the average percent is in the 30s.

When you have a black man running for anything Freddy you have a lot of white enthusiasm in this state, people come off the golf courses to vote. But in the one party system we have on most election days you know you are safe so you keep playing golf or whatever else you do. What percent of the total population did Newt get maybe 10% but he is worshiped by most in this confusion of voting against black people. What is different from here and old Russia except those people were made to stay home here we choice to not participate.

pete

March 1st, 2013
11:01 am

GT,

“Obama was the first elected president with over 50% of the vote twice in decades.”

All this proves is that there are now more moochers than produces in society. He grew up as a moocher himself, and still is. He just wants to pass it down to other moochers. Sad that you don’t recognize it.

Fred ™

March 1st, 2013
11:05 am

Dear pete: Obama didn’t get elected because people want free stuff, he got elected because YOUR IDEAS AND PHILOSOPHY SUCK.

Get over it hate monger. Your irrational fear and hate are not serving you well get rid of them.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 1st, 2013
11:07 am

pete — “All this proves is that there are now more moochers than produces in society. He grew up as a moocher himself, and still is. He just wants to pass it down to other moochers. Sad that you don’t recognize it.”

Loser says what?

pete

March 1st, 2013
11:08 am

Fred,

Stay ignorant, it fits you well.

Fred ™

March 1st, 2013
11:08 am

NEWSFLASH: Women are fatter now because they do less housework. Hear that DDR? Doggone?

http://shine.yahoo.com/healthy-living/does-less-housework-really-equal-larger-waistline-192700982.html

Erwin's cat

March 1st, 2013
11:09 am

“Obama was the first elected president with over 50% of the vote twice in decades.”

what a silly stat…39 of the last 47 had over 50%

Fred ™

March 1st, 2013
11:09 am

Stay ignorant, it fits you well.

You spew talk radio/FOXBOT lies and I’M the ignorant one? LOL you are too funny hate monger. Keep spewing the lies, they served you so well the last election.

Erwin's cat

March 1st, 2013
11:10 am

make that 29 of the last 47

GT

March 1st, 2013
11:11 am

Look at this list, wonder if the tourist know about Fla. I think they must have filled all those people on that list into the auditorium for the Republican Presidential debate.

http://felonvoting.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000287

Fred ™

March 1st, 2013
11:11 am

Who was it yesterday that pointed out that Mr. 47% of the Country are moochers Romney, in fact received 47% of the vote?

We see who the moocher are pete :lol:

GT

March 1st, 2013
11:16 am

pete how many moochers do you personal know?

Fred ™

March 1st, 2013
11:18 am

Damn GT, me and you ran them all off……….. do you think we need to bathe?

Fred ™

March 1st, 2013
11:19 am

F. Sinkwich

March 1st, 2013
11:19 am

RB,

You’ll get no sympathy here from the big-guv lefties who populate this board, as you can see.

In leftie world, the harder it is to do business, the better they like it. Taxes, regulations, permits, etc., are all a part of commerce in an advanced civilization, of course. But they enjoy carrying all that to the extreme, then revel in a businessman’s agony as he attempts to comply.

Complain about it? Then you’re the problem, they say.

Jefferson

March 1st, 2013
11:20 am

If the woodward deal was a threat what about the teddie dealeo ? Why is he not dead or in jail.

Both are just bs.

Fred ™

March 1st, 2013
11:21 am

What business do you own Sinkie? None? Why then shut the hell up while those of us who DO own businesses speak. :lol:

GT

March 1st, 2013
11:22 am

Fred I hope they never change, show their true feelings be hate mongers. It is when they start with the token speakers and God forbid justice of Supreme Court that really puts a kink into the system. They compromise their low standards for even lower standards. You are not going to find a black man with character in the GOP. You get the ones looking for an angle to use their race for a hired purpose.

Fred ™

March 1st, 2013
11:22 am

Is this a teddy dealo? Why would you throw this in jail?

http://www.cafepress.com/+dealeo+teddy_bears

stands for decibels - Private Pyle has a full magazine that is locked and loaded

March 1st, 2013
11:22 am

off topic, but according the Teh Mighty Google, the fifth most important news story in the “US” section is… [drum roll please]–

Video shows paid sex act by Maine Zumba teacher

Corporate media gives SO much and asks SO little in return.

Erwin's cat

March 1st, 2013
11:22 am

when being self employed I didn’t get a sense of overwhelming paper work, but I was the only employee so that likely makes a considerable difference

DownInAlbany

March 1st, 2013
11:24 am

F. Sinkwich

March 1st, 2013
11:19 am

Yeah, bow down to big government. Regulate the hell out of us. Can’t have those business owners making more than their fair share. Lefties want nothing more than to make business owners (big and small) miserable.

stands for decibels - Private Pyle has a full magazine that is locked and loaded

March 1st, 2013
11:28 am

In leftie world, the harder it is to do business, the better they like it

Do you pray to Jesus with that lying mouth of yours?

Seriously, why do so many schmucks imagine that “leftie world” loves, just to pick a few treasured beliefs, there are so many more — a) higher taxes, b) “bigger government”, c) more regs/hassles for businesses?

Hell’s bells, why do you think we want single-payer? Because we think it’d make businesses *less* competitive, less free to focus on what they actually do best?

And who wants to pay ANY taxes? if I thought we could get away with the richest, most powerful nation ever on earth just printing money and saying “it’s worth what we say it is because SHUT UP!”, and never collect a dime from *any* of our citizens in tax revenue, I’d say give it a shot.

Ya know, you might try actually getting to know a “leftie” before you lie like that, is all I’m sayin’.

/soapbox

HDB

March 1st, 2013
11:28 am

F. Sinkwich
March 1st, 2013
11:19 am

“In leftie world, the harder it is to do business, the better they like it. Taxes, regulations, permits, etc., are all a part of commerce in an advanced civilization, of course. But they enjoy carrying all that to the extreme, then revel in a businessman’s agony as he attempts to comply. ”

So…basically, you don’t believe in CORPORATE RESPONSIBILITY?? You conservatives cry about personal responsibility….but want to let business off the hook….and BTW, aren’t corporations PEOPLE now (as per Citizens United)???

Fred ™

March 1st, 2013
11:29 am

You are not going to find a black man with character in the GOP. You get the ones looking for an angle to use their race for a hired purpose.

A few years ago I would have taken you to task for that statement but not today. The Republican party has moved FAR away from being “conservative” to being the white scared man’s party.

Jay mentioned the log cabin Republicans yesterday and I researched them. Gay Republicans. Now why in the world would you want to be in a party that HATES you? I don’t get it. I’m not trying to join the Black Panthers or Radical Friends of Allah or MEChA.

There are MANY of us who are “conservative” who have no place in the Republican party. Those folks aren’t “conservative” they are total nut jobs. It’s crazy.

As much as I hate to agree with your statement I can’t disagree with it. Colin Powell left them. JC Watts left them. Any Black republican I have ever known or respected has left them……… there has to be a reason why right?

Joe Hussein Mama

March 1st, 2013
11:30 am

DIA — “Yeah, bow down to big government. Regulate the hell out of us. Can’t have those business owners making more than their fair share. Lefties want nothing more than to make business owners (big and small) miserable.”

“Corporations are people too, my friend.”

– Thomas Jefferson

GT

March 1st, 2013
11:30 am

I think one of the reasons bigotry has stayed so long in this country is we let them talk from a closed closet instead of debating the real disease they have and why they have it.

I think you start by saying Deal you hate black people and women and Jews, and the list goes on. And he says honestly I do. Then you have a debate, an honest debate. At the end there are no moochers just people, there are no liberals just people trying to survive this thing call life. We could actually help each other. Walking around with lies about things is not a good way to live.

F. Sinkwich

March 1st, 2013
11:32 am

“Why then shut the hell up…”

I tend to bring the best out in people.

It’s one of my charms.

F. Sinkwich

March 1st, 2013
11:33 am

“So…basically, you don’t believe in CORPORATE RESPONSIBILITY??”

Non sequitur ALERT!

HDB

March 1st, 2013
11:34 am

“You are not going to find a black man with character in the GOP. You get the ones selected AS the angle to use race for a hired purpose.”

Meant to be an accurate statement……….

Brosephus™ -What is your major malfunction, numbnuts?

March 1st, 2013
11:39 am

Erwin’s Cat: what a silly stat…39 of the last 47 had over 50%

I think what the poster was trying to say is that Obama was the first president in decades to win his election AND re-election by capturing more than 50% of the popular vote in both elections. I think there have only been 4 in the last century that eclipsed 51% in both elections, which would include Obama.

Erwin's cat

March 1st, 2013
11:39 am

“You are not going to find a black man with character in the GOP. You get the ones selected AS the angle to use race for a hired purpose.”

Meant to be an accurate statement……….

:roll:

Erwin's cat

March 1st, 2013
11:41 am

Bro – not since Reagan

Brosephus™ -What is your major malfunction, numbnuts?

March 1st, 2013
11:42 am

In leftie world, the harder it is to do business, the better they like it.

Good thing I live in the world of Brosephus, which is much more grounded in reality than the world of Sinkwich. If you make a decision, then you deal with the ramifications of your decision instead of crying to others about it.

GT

March 1st, 2013
11:42 am

Fred I love the south, born here, my entire family line is southern from Savannah. I was raised by good people who were handicapped by a war fought years ago and made romantic by people like my mother, who will be 100 in April. I know why they hate but it wasn’t the fault of black men or women, who only wanted what all men want, to be free. My folks hated Yankees far more than they hated blacks and gays never even entered our vocabulary though they were around then just as they are now. And they had some right to hate Yankees a lot more than they did blacks who should hate us. But as we sort all this out all we do is let life go on without us which is my point in all of this.

We tore a nation up for our petty purpose and labeled it state rights like that would cover up immoral behavior. In doing so we killed a part of the country that could have been beautiful and useful to the rest of this great nation. All for the worship of hate, pure and simple.

DebbieDoRight - Going Over The Fiscal Cliff In A Barrel, With High Heels On

March 1st, 2013
11:42 am

Hiya Fred! — Love the addition of the “boa” but alas…………….the boa is only brought out on special occasions and for special people. going over, yet again, the fiscal cliff is too passe for the boa!
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I think God separates knowledgeable liars like FOX to dumb liars like you or the guy who thought he saw an UFO.

UFOs are REAL my friend! Better recognize.

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Joe: a face of LA with booty of Oakland).?

Ha! Gotta love it!

Joe: Hey, the Catholic Church is doing a lot of outreach these days; maybe a local priest could help you out with that? :D

Joe! You.Are.Sooooooooooo.Bad! I kinda like that about you……

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Dear Fred — You are such a nice contemplative and receptive person. I feel that you and I have acquired a bond since blogging on B’s blog. Your intellect, stellar at the least of times, is sometimes tipping the point of BRILLIANCE with your posts! But then again, you go and post stuff like this:

NEWSFLASH: Women are fatter now because they do less housework. Hear that DDR? Doggone? -

And I wonder why Mrs. Fred hasn’t smothered you in your sleep yet. Seriously.

Signed,

Your friend Debs

PS; Give back the damn boa!!!

Fred ™

March 1st, 2013
11:43 am

Bro? have you ever seen this? It became such a cult hit that when they filmed the X-men movie that had the Juggernaut in it, they used the line. Probably don’t want to watch where your little one can hear though………. youtube forced them to take it down and folks kept putting it back up. It is definitely a youtube classic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSuvOVH0aSQ

Brosephus™ -What is your major malfunction, numbnuts?

March 1st, 2013
11:44 am

Jay mentioned the log cabin Republicans yesterday and I researched them. Gay Republicans. Now why in the world would you want to be in a party that HATES you? I don’t get it. I’m not trying to join the Black Panthers or Radical Friends of Allah or MEChA.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Jefferson

March 1st, 2013
11:46 am

President Reagan was the 1st to let the kid stay up late (you don’t have to pay taxes and I’ll throw a bone of the earned income credit for a passy), the 1st of the big spenders (just put it on the credit card) and the 1st of the brainwashers (gov’t is bad). A great parent.

Mick

March 1st, 2013
11:46 am

brosephus

Is the sequester going to affect you directly or indirectly at all?

Brosephus™ -What is your major malfunction, numbnuts?

March 1st, 2013
11:46 am

EC

I think it was originally put out as more than 51% in both elections, but I’d have to go google it to find out. There are 4 that meet that criteria, excluding Reagan as his first election was more than 50% but less than 51%.

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Fred

Yeah, I’ve seen that one. It’s a classic!!!!

Fred ™

March 1st, 2013
11:47 am

UFOs are REAL my friend! Better recognize

Damn DDR, where did you get that picture? I was DRUNK and didn’t know anyone had a camera…….

I take it you didn’t like my article? :lol: I though immediately of the women here on the blog when I came across it. I KNEW it would be received with great “joy” and “gratitude.”

If I make you a special meal can I keep the boa?

stands for decibels - Private Pyle has a full magazine that is locked and loaded

March 1st, 2013
11:48 am

Colin Powell left them. JC Watts left them. Any Black republican I have ever known or respected has left them……… there has to be a reason why right?

[Long, deep breath, here.]

While I devoutly believe that individual bigotry, stupidity, etc. knows no creed or color, I do think that Black Americans have been subjected to more highly-targeted bullsh-t and cycles of betrayal than any other large, identifiable group (save perhaps native Americans).

Basically, I think they have been far more sinned against than ever sinning themselves–collectively–and as such, they are collectively more careful about who they place their trust in than most other Americans.

(I hope that doesn’t sound as stereotypical in print as it kinda seems to me, as I’m proofing it, right now, but I wanted to post that^^.)

To expand a bit–African Americans were promised real-life glory via liberation by the Republican party in the 19th century, and they doggedly supported the GOP for decades even after they’d been betrayed in more ways than they could shake a stick at. It took FDR/Truman’s baby steps toward, and finally LBJ’s legitimate embrace of, civil rights guarantees that they even had a shot at that glory.

Nearly all I see from today’s GOP are one roadblock after another designed to make life more difficult and dangerous for ordinary Americans, and easier/safer for our best-off. Why, pray tell, would a group that has been, historically, more economically disadvantaged than most any other (again, with the arguable exception of our Native people), ever put their trust in such an outfit today, in anything beyond a few percentage points?

This is one’s livelihood we’re talking about here, not some stylin’ looking facade, or a cynically crafted social-values wedge issue.

So, that’d be the reason why, I would wager.

/again-with-the-soapbox

Fred ™

March 1st, 2013
11:49 am

Anyone want to go out to lunch?

Woodstock Mike

March 1st, 2013
11:50 am

Obama may be the worst leader we’ve ever had in the White House. He’s on TV now lying about the effect of taking 85 billion from a 3.6 trillion dollar budget. Basically in his own words we can never cut any government spending of any kind. We have to increase spending forever and can never cut spending. The world wants America to get their financial house in order. These cuts were agreed to by Democrats already. Now, they won’t follow through. The president is literally on TV blaming Republicans for absolutely everything. He says we need to increase the minimum wage so it’s one that families can live on, sorry Mr. President, raising pay from $7/hr to $9/hr isn’t going to be high enough for families to live on. Nobody can raise a familiy on minimum wage. This is an example of a blatant lie. When will Obama own up? And watching Democrats support this garbage is amazing. He claims tax loopholes are the only way to fix the issue. It’s so funny, my liberal friends and co-workers for the past month have been bragging to me how great their accountants are and how they made out like bandits this tax season. Talk about hypocrisy.

Fred ™

March 1st, 2013
11:51 am

Nice soapbox dB but it was a rhetorical question from me. :cool:

DannyX

March 1st, 2013
11:52 am

“In leftie world, the harder it is to do business, the better they like it. Taxes, regulations, permits, etc., are all a part of commerce in an advanced civilization, of course. But they enjoy carrying all that to the extreme, then revel in a businessman’s agony as he attempts to comply. ”

How about the righty world? Right here in Georgia.

Georgia Power has an army of lobbyists. Their lobbyists have struck gold. The new nuclear plants they are building are being paid for with a residential only surcharge, businesses aren’t contributing a dime. Residential customers are doing the job of investor but all the profits go to the company. All of the risk is on the residential customer. Guess who is paying for the huge cost overruns? Yep, the residential customers, by law. Guess who, also by law, is allowed to earn an 11% profit on the cost overruns? Yep, Georgia Power!

Funny how the other utility companies involved with the new power plants aren’t requiring their residential customers to do all the financing, if its such a good deal.

But of course its Obama who is the scary socialist/commie.

Georgia Power is laughing all the way to the bank as you cons scream BENGHAZI!

Mick

March 1st, 2013
11:53 am

**Obama may be the worst leader we’ve ever had in the White House**

No. That would be george w. bush.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 1st, 2013
11:53 am

Obama may be the worst leader we’ve ever had in the White House.

And yet, Romney still couldn’t defeat him.

Brosephus™ -What is your major malfunction, numbnuts?

March 1st, 2013
11:53 am

Mick

I’ve been on leave since the baby, but from what I’ve gathered, I’ll get an extra 14 days off between now and October. I don’t know how things are going to work. The agency has to send out notification first, and I think the furloughs start in April, one month after notice is given.

It won’t hurt me financially, but there are others who are not as lucky. I’ve been on different message boards, and there will be some people who are going to be in financial hell because of things like medical costs and such. Many people think we all make lots of money, but that’s far from reality. Many feds live from paycheck to paycheck like everyone else.

The f**ked up thing about it all is that, in a situation like this, the private sector worker can easily go and get a 2nd job to make up lost income. Many fed positions have restrictions as to 2nd jobs and such, so there are those who can’t go out to make up that lost income.

barking frog

March 1st, 2013
11:55 am

The difference between Georgia(all states actually) and DC is
just the dfference in t.v. time.

td

March 1st, 2013
11:56 am

Fred ™

March 1st, 2013
11:09 am

Stay ignorant, it fits you well.

You spew Main stream media and Obama propaganda lies and I’M the ignorant one? LOL you are too funny hate monger. Keep spewing the lies, they served you so well the last election.

Fixed the message to be more factually accurate for you.

Mick

March 1st, 2013
11:56 am

brosephus

Thanks and congrats on the little one or as jerry seinfeld calls them our replacements! Glad that they give you that time so you can feel like a human being and tend to your family…

East Lake Ira

March 1st, 2013
11:58 am

RB – sounds like you’ve got a problem with your LOCAL GOVERNMENT, which given your moniker and spewing of lies means you have an issue with REPUBLICANS.

Take it up with the county you frigging nitwit.

By the way, paying folks to take care of your mother while pounding keys and who knows what else in her basement is not really “running” a business.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

March 1st, 2013
11:58 am

You spew Main stream media and Obama propaganda lies…

Dittoheads say, “What?”

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

DannyX

March 1st, 2013
11:58 am

“Fixed the message to be more factually accurate for you.”

This coming from td?? The blog spokesman for unskewed polls!

:-)

Matti

March 1st, 2013
12:00 pm

“Georgia Power is laughing all the way to the bank as you cons scream BENGHAZI!”

Yup. Grandma is being forced to be a capital investor in a nuclear power plant for which she likely will not live long enough to receive any power, and if she does, instead of receiving dividends for her investment, she’ll be forced to pay FULL price for the power. Why do Georgia Republicans hate Grandma?

QE 4 EVAH?

March 1st, 2013
12:00 pm

Many fed positions have restrictions as to 2nd jobs and such, so there are those who can’t go out to make up that lost income.

Government restrictions.

moonbat betty

March 1st, 2013
12:01 pm

“Anyone want to go out to lunch?”

Fred, if you open a restaurant (you mentioned earlier), please open one that cooks with Green Eggs!

Fred ™

March 1st, 2013
12:02 pm

td shows once again that he is incapable of independent thought as he now uses MY words. I’m not sure if I should be flattered that I’m his new puppeteer or chagrined to be in the same group as his other puppeteers, Sean, Herman, Rush, Glenn, FOX etal………….

Next thing you know he’ll call me a Baptist………..

I think I need a shower now.

alex

March 1st, 2013
12:02 pm

Fred, fair warning, you are beginning to unhinge, again, don’t want you dropped from the blog, deep breath…

moonbat betty

March 1st, 2013
12:02 pm

Wow, RB really got ‘em stirred up.

That was hilarious!

td

March 1st, 2013
12:03 pm

Brosephus™ -What is your major malfunction, numbnuts?

March 1st, 2013
11:53 am

If Federal workers do not like what is going on then they always have the CHOICE of finding a job in the private sector that better fits their skill set and pay demands.

stands for decibels - Private Pyle has a full magazine that is locked and loaded

March 1st, 2013
12:03 pm

Government restrictions.

Hey, there’s your answer–let more LEOs freelance. Bros, I hear the Mexican drug cartels pay pretty good.

Brosephus™ -What is your major malfunction, numbnuts?

March 1st, 2013
12:05 pm

If Federal workers do not like what is going on then they always have the CHOICE of finding a job in the private sector that better fits their skill set and pay demands.

Oh yeah, dumbass, and where are they going to find these magical jobs right now?

MikeB

March 1st, 2013
12:06 pm

Fred… I would love to go out to lunch with you sometime…. There we can discuss the relationship of current situations( 3 branches of both state govts. and federal govts.) as opposed to “tit for tat” disparate situations/events seperated by large gaps of time…..

That is if you can control your militant insult laden anger and converse with people who don’t fall in line with your way of thinking/looking at the world……. I’m just a conservative who applauds real leadership when I see it….. No matter who it is…. I don’t see any at the Federal level and minimal here in GA….

Fred ™

March 1st, 2013
12:07 pm

moonbat betty; I AM. I’m thinking of starting with 1 ex large and 2 larges. I plan on doing the steaks, burgers and wings on the eggs. I also want to offer ribs and pulled pork, but am not sure if I should as I don’t want to become a BBQ place. There are also some Brazilian dishes that would be good cooked on a wood fire or Egg.

LOL You figured out my first “secret.”

Brosephus™ -What is your major malfunction, numbnuts?

March 1st, 2013
12:07 pm

dB

We’ve had our fair share over the years. That line of work generally doesn’t last too long.

:lol: :lol:

stands for decibels - Private Pyle has a full magazine that is locked and loaded

March 1st, 2013
12:07 pm

they always have the CHOICE of finding a job in the private sector

There’s some of that winning, can-do spirit I expect from conservatives.

Let’s make things as crappy as possible for public servants so that we lose the best/brightest to the private sector.

Hey, better yet, why are we paying them ANYTHING? We could have people PAY THE GOVERNMENT to work for it. Imagine the kind of deficit reduction that’d produce.

Could you crunch some numbers and make a wee model for us for further study, td? I think you’ve got a winner here.

Mick

March 1st, 2013
12:07 pm

td

I’m going to do my best fred here: what the hell does td stand for anyways, total dumbarse? Suits you well zipperhead, there ain’t one original thought up there or anywhere in your cliche ridden, propagandized putrid existence – go sit in a donut hole and soak up some coffee – black!

QE 4 EVAH?

March 1st, 2013
12:08 pm

Did Colin Powell and J.D. Watts join the (D) party?

No!

Both are still registered Republicans working within the GOP. Watts is recruiting minorities for the GOP.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/02/new-groups-goal-groom-minorities-on-hill-87737.html?hp=l2

DebbieDoRight - Going Over The Fiscal Cliff In A Barrel, With High Heels On

March 1st, 2013
12:08 pm

They compromise their low standards for even lower standards. You are not going to find a black man with character in the GOP. You get the ones looking for an angle to use their race for a hired purpose.

True. Sad. But true. They’re willing to sell out not only other people’s children for a little cash, but their children’s children’s future too. A good example? Look no further than Anthony Johnson.
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Corporate media gives SO much and asks SO little in return.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Fred: A few years ago I would have taken you to task for that statement but not today. The Republican party has moved FAR away from being “conservative” to being the white scared man’s party………… There are MANY of us who are “conservative” who have no place in the Republican party. Those folks aren’t “conservative” they are total nut jobs. It’s crazy.
As much as I hate to agree with your statement I can’t disagree with it. Colin Powell left them. JC Watts left them. Any Black republican I have ever known or respected has left them……… there has to be a reason why right?-

Word.

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I think one of the reasons bigotry has stayed so long in this country is we let them talk from a closed closet instead of debating the real disease they have and why they have it.

Double Word!

td

March 1st, 2013
12:08 pm

Fred ™

March 1st, 2013
12:02 pm

td shows once again that he is incapable of independent thought as he now uses MY words. I’m not sure if I should be flattered that I’m his new puppeteer or chagrined to be in the same group as his other puppeteers, Sean, Herman, Rush, Glenn, FOX etal………….

Next thing you know he’ll call me a Baptist………..

I think I need a shower now.

This coming from the person that spews nothing but Obama propaganda day after day after day. LMFAO

I am more then happy to invite you to attend my Southern Baptist church, and sit right next to you in the pew, anytime that you would like to come.

Fred ™

March 1st, 2013
12:10 pm

MikeB: That is a totally different conversation than the one I commented on. I just SERIOUSLY dislike someone doing something ands then saying, “I don’t do that.” It’s like my MIL (and many other asians): She changes the way she does something and when you ask her says says, “It same,’ like I am just too stupid to see the difference.

In order to have a rational, meaningful discussion one has to have intellectual integrity and truth form both sides. Without that there is no reason to talk. I can hear talk radio/FOXBOT lies on my radio, TV or stream them on my computer. I don’t need to have someone repeat them to me.