Ethics and gamesmanship in the Ga. Legislature

The words could almost be considered a threat, a warning shot across the bow from one legislative chamber to the other:

“If the speaker sends a bill that is a total ban (on gifts) and the House has … made a deliberation that they are willing to live under that, then they need to be prepared for that to become law,” Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle warned almost a month ago, referring to an almost total ban on lobbyist gifts proposed by House Speaker David Ralston.

Cagle’s message to the House was pretty clear: Do not posture on this issue and think that the Senate will save you from yourself. Do not assume that you can pass a strict ethics bill, making yourself look good in the process, and then expect the Senate to play the patsy by killing it.

If you pass it, we’ll pass it too. And then where will we all be?

Since that veiled warning, the House has indeed “made a deliberation” that it is willing to live under a gift ban. In fact, if the House is bluffing in its support for major ethics reform, as Cagle seemed to suggest, it is doing so with gusto. On Monday, it voted 164 to 4 in favor of House Bill 142, the centerpiece bill of Ralston’s gift-ban proposal.

It will be interesting to see what happens next. On the first day of the 2013 session, the Senate tried to cast itself as the more ethical body by adopting an internal rule banning its members from accepting lobbyist gifts worth $100 or more. Senate leaders, including Cagle, were quick to laud themselves for their “decisive action on this critically important issue.”

Then the inter-chamber rivalry began. Ralston declared himself unimpressed with the Senate gift limit, dismissing it as “more of a visor than a cap,” and doing so in Cagle’s presence. His subsequent proposal to ban almost all gifts regardless of value upped the ante considerably and made the Senate’s gesture seem meager by comparison.

So what does the Senate do now? The $100 gift limit is no longer a viable option, and any Senate bill that uses that approach as its standard will be seen by the public as a rejection of reform. The Senate’s institutional pride, not to mention Cagle’s ambition for higher office, will require that it at least match Ralston’s game-changing proposal. And there are certainly places where the Ralston bill can and should be tightened.

The situation would seem to have set up a virtuous cycle, with the two chambers trying to outdo each other in their enthusiasm for reform. But there’s a very real if hidden danger as well.

The nightmare scenario all along has been that the House passes a tough ethics bill, while the Senate passes a different but perhaps equally tough bill. In the final hours of the legislative session, the two chambers reluctantly pronounce themselves unable to come to agreement, which means that neither bill passes. Everybody gets to portray themselves as champions of reform, blaming failure on the other guy, while business as usual continues. A win-win outcome, except for the public.

Could that happen? It’s certainly worth watching. The Legislature has the same ratio of saints to sinners as the population at large, which is another way of saying that beneath the Gold Dome, no saints walk.

But that’s not to say that they have no saint-like attributes. Quite the contrary. As they posture and maneuver on ethics reform, they bring to mind a famous prayer by one of the greatest saints of all, Saint Augustine.

“Dear God,” Augustine prayed. “Please make me good and chaste. But not just yet.”

– Jay Bookman

318 comments Add your comment

southpaw

March 1st, 2013
8:37 am

Jam Vet
After further review, yes, I do need to say more. I didn’t answer your second question, “Why not?”

The answer is:
I figured I had.

MikeB

March 1st, 2013
8:37 am

Doggone/GA It is not I feeding at the trough of ignorance, govt. handouts in return for votes and propoganda…… Is that you? Not meaning to get personal about your situation…. Just want to understand you motivation to look the other way……..

Stevie Ray

March 1st, 2013
8:38 am

stands for decibels – Private Pyle has a full magazine that is locked and loaded

March 1st, 2013
8:32 am

Brilliant..

One spent most of his time defending against impeachment for taking advantage of a young woman in the WH (which appears to by OK with lefties) And the other well not need to document the metrics of his poor second term..

Both will be remembered more for failures and shortcomings than success. Defending Clinton (who I like in retrospect despite poor personal decisions..only one of which was admitted) is easy now but he will show up in history as one of the few presidents to get impeached..Bush won’t fare much better.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

March 1st, 2013
8:38 am

Jay

March 1st, 2013
7:30 am
Lame, heathen.

You do not honestly believe that Woodward was threatened. Yet you can’t bring yourself to acknowledge it, so you take solace in a weak potshot.

Sad.

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WHAT IS SAD IS JAY ACTS AS IF HE KNOWS THE DYNAMICS BETWEEN A DECADES LONG FRIENDSHIP BETWEEN SPURLING AND WOODWARD!

WITHOUT KNOWING THE RELATIONSHIP JAY CLAIMS HE KNOWS THE INTENTIONS OF THE DIALOGUE……… HE DOESN’T …….. ONLY WOODWARD AND SPURLING KNOW……… AND WOODWARD MAKES A CLAIM……

I IN KNOW WAY CAN KNOW IF IT WAS OR WASN’T A THREAT……..ONLY THEY DO.

BUT I AM NOT AS ARROGANT AS JAY TO SAY I KNOW……..

HE ALSO ASSUMES THAT WHEN SOMEONE SAYS THEY ARE THREATENED IT MUST MEAN THEY FEEL MORTAL DANGER

A PERSON CAN BE THREATENED FOR MANY THINGS
LAWSUITS
RETALIATION
BOYCOTT
MEDIA ATTACK
ETC

AND BEFORE ALL THE JAY-BOTS ATTACK……… ONCE AGAIN I AM NOT STATING THAT HE WAS THREATENED

I AM STATING I DO NOT KNOW BECAUSE I DO NOT KNOW EITHER MAN OR THEY DYNAMICS OF THEIR RELATIONSHIP

TBS

March 1st, 2013
8:39 am

SR

And as I said yesterday, the Woodward story will be gone this time next week. Folks like you will be on to the next “got ya Mr President” projection then come up with excused when the projection doesn’t play out…

I’m sure you have only seen this play out time after time in the last four years, but do carry on.

Your posts at times can be thought provoking and at others the same tired right leaning diatribes that can be heard or read being spewed on tv, radio or read on theblaze, wnd, dailycaller, etc.

DannyX

March 1st, 2013
8:40 am

“Bush won’t fare much better.”

There you go again Stevie. :-)

Stevie Ray

March 1st, 2013
8:40 am

More fun facts from the Kraut..

A 2011 Government Accountability Office report gave a sampling of the vastness of what could be cut, consolidated and rationalized in Washington: 44 overlapping job training programs, 18 for nutrition assistance, 82 (!) on teacher quality, 56 dealing with financial literacy, more than 20 for homelessness, etc. Total annual cost: $100 billion-$200 billion, about two to five times the entire domestic sequester..

stands for decibels - Private Pyle has a full magazine that is locked and loaded

March 1st, 2013
8:43 am

stands for decibels - Private Pyle has a full magazine that is locked and loaded

March 1st, 2013
8:44 am

One spent most of his time defending against impeachment

I’m sorry your memory is so faulty.

GT

March 1st, 2013
8:44 am

MikeB ethics go look up the definition. While you are educating yourself check the name out of Jack Allan Abramoff. You will find he made a mockery of federal ethics and drill his hole right into the same kind of wood you boys built the state legislature of Georgia on. Right wing bullies who strut around at night on the lobbyist expense account laughing at the rest of us as if we were suckers.

You know when you are representing the poor and disenfranchised you don’t get as many offers to go to a 200 dollar dinner, may show up at McDs a few times more than Hal’s. They call it a sense of duty; you might want to go look that up too.

jhunt163

March 1st, 2013
8:44 am

Jay,

Personally I could care less about perceived threats to journalists, but what about the Lannie Davis assertions? Are they BS as well?

TBS

March 1st, 2013
8:44 am

Ivan

March 1st, 2013
8:45 am

“Happy Sequestration everybody!. Watch for those airliners falling out of the sky.”

Don’t forget the cadavers you could trip over!

Stevie Ray

March 1st, 2013
8:45 am

TBS

March 1st, 2013
8:39 am

As I mentioned previously, this whole thing is irrelevant except to the extent if has the WH reeling for the first time…I’m coming down on the taxpayer side in this case. I think we need more real cuts (as opposed to slowing growth..which this really doesn’t do) as well as more revenue….bearing in mind that both will reach a point of diminishing returns…where we know not.

I have come to appreciate BO’s stance on our use of military overseas. gay rights, womens rights and the like. I think like those before him, his fiscal stewardship is deplorable…that goes for all in DC as well.

stands for decibels - Private Pyle has a full magazine that is locked and loaded

March 1st, 2013
8:46 am

and if you bothered to follow my directions, you’d realize that not only did Clinton outperform GW Bush, but he did a lot better than the second-term polling average. Include Reagan on the chart and it will become even clearer just how well regarded he was.

but yeah. He spent the most of his second term “defending against impeachment.” riiiight.

stands for decibels - Private Pyle has a full magazine that is locked and loaded

March 1st, 2013
8:47 am

anyway, hope you all enjoy your off-topic meanderings, I’m done here for awhile.

Stevie Ray

March 1st, 2013
8:47 am

stands for decibels – Private Pyle has a full magazine that is locked and loaded

March 1st, 2013
8:44 am

I guess I am wrong about the time away from governing that took place resulting from scandal.

Please accept my heartfelt apologies for my memory handicap..can I get one of those blue parking passes for my disability?

Bosch

March 1st, 2013
8:50 am

Hey Mrs G! Fam is good, pups are still getting fat. Speaking of, I gots to get them some kibble. As to Woodward, he was being a weenie, but got caught up in the sensationalism of this non-story, and the only regret he probably has is that it won’t last more than a day (or two, in blog world). I do hate to see a good journalist like him get trapped in a rabbit hole though.

The sequester? Meh, business as usual will continue-blame the poor for all the worlds woes, problem with that is there will just be more poor people; right wing nuts will continue on with this strategy, vote against their own interests and find someone to blame.

Stevie Ray

March 1st, 2013
8:51 am

stands for decibels – Private Pyle has a full magazine that is locked and loaded

March 1st, 2013
8:46 am

Of course he outperformed BUSH…pretty low bar. Both will have legacies that may be more defined by shortcomings….impeachment is a pretty big deal. He did somewhat perjure himself…

For the record, I can think of more capable pied pipers to bow to…no offense.

Stevie Ray

March 1st, 2013
8:52 am

JAY,

Speaking of corruption, I never got a reply to my unflattering message disguised in sarcasm to Jeff Mullins..you hear anything?

kayaker 71

March 1st, 2013
8:54 am

This whole Woodward fiasco points out something that is far more important than Mr. Woodward’s “threat”. For years, Woodward was a liberal darling, brought down Nixon, growing old as a liberal, professor emeritus of the gang, books and movies about him…….. However, just one reference to something against the Bozo gang and he is all of a sudden over the hill, aging into a wingnut, has no credibility, makes statements that enhance his whatever, no further access to anything from the WH, old friends warn him of his “mistakes” that he will “regret”making statements like this. Does this not once again prove beyond doubt that ANYONE who states that the Bozo gang is on the wrong track will be demonized, vilified and drawn and quartered, no matter what their history and affiliation. Take no prisoners and if a prisoner survives, make him out to be some kind of crazy nutcase who has no credibility. One day Woodward is a liberal saint emeritus….. the next day he is a hack. You figure it out.

TBS

March 1st, 2013
8:55 am

SR

I think we need phased in rates back to the Clinton era for all. Maybe even a tweaking of the EITC. As well as cuts. These cuts should not be even across the board because I doubt each agency / department can actually sustain the same amount of cuts and function properly. Cuts should be phased in as well.

For all the crying about how much the corporate tax rates, it is poppy cock and stupidity from the right. US corporate effective rates are very low when looking over the last 50 or 60 yrs. If tax rates were the panacea then how can the Bush rates which were extended until recently and the effective avg corp rates given us this slow job growth?

We can cry and moan all we like but until more people are back to work, I’m not going to get too caught up in the debt or deficit, even though I just expressed my opinion on what should be done.

MikeB

March 1st, 2013
8:57 am

GT….. For the record… While I am a conservative, I don’t condone looking the other way when it comes to ethics or gamesmanship….. It would be nice if more liberal observers could state/achieve their positions/goals, without looking “the other way” when deceptive, illegal and unconstitutional practices are used to achieve their objectives.

That is the only cure for what ills this country… Not me getting 100% of my position, or you getting yours…… A great deal of integrity must be restored to the process… Unfortunately our POTUS and his adminstration campaigned on that, but have not delivered…. Meanwhile Mr. Bookman and his ilk look the other way because “their guy” holds the office of POTUS and they are afraid to speak to power…. Afraid their access will be cut off… (I know… Jay has no access… But he gets his talking points from people in media who do….).

Its that simple……

Bosch

March 1st, 2013
8:59 am

I dunno kayaker, you’re the expert on demonizing the President, you tell us.

stands for decibels - Private Pyle has a full magazine that is locked and loaded

March 1st, 2013
8:59 am

one other thing:

Of course he outperformed BUSH…

…which is why I added, “he did a lot better than the second-term polling average”. but I didn’t describe how I cam to that conclusion, and I realize it might not have been self evident. The Gallup chart includes this information as a dotted line. Look at it and you’ll see that yes, throughout post-WWII presidential history, all presidents have tended to have a rougher go of it in their second terms.

But Clinton didn’t, not judged by this metric–he distinctly over performed.

/drive-by

jhunt163

March 1st, 2013
9:00 am

“He did somewhat perjure himself…”

He absolutely perjured himself and was even disbarred for it.

Thomas Heyward Jr

March 1st, 2013
9:01 am

Speaking of ethics……………………………meet Obama’s new Treasury Secretary————to replace the Tax-cheat————————–
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In June 2006, Lew was named chief operating officer of CITIGROUP’S Alternative Investments unit, a proprietary trading group. The unit he oversaw invested in a hedge fund “that bet on the HOUSING market to COLLASPE..” During his work at Citigroup, Lew had invested heavily in funds in Ugland House while he worked as an investment banker at Citigroup during the 2008 FINANCIAL MELTDOWN.. Lew also had oversight of Citigroup subsidiaries in countries including, Bermuda, the CAYMAN Islands, and Hong Kong; and during his time at Citigroup, Citigroup subsidiaries in the CAYMAN Islands increased to 500 percent.

Lew co-chaired the Advisory Board for City Year New York.[25] He is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, the Brookings Institution Hamilton Project Advisory Board, and the National Academy of Social Insurance.[26] Lew is also a member of the bar in Massachusetts and the District of Columbia.[27]
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sheeeeeeeesh

Bosch

March 1st, 2013
9:02 am

Mikeb, when Obama exposes Woodward’s wife as a CIA operative (or something equal), I’ll pay attention. Until then, arguing over poor word choices is stupid.

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

March 1st, 2013
9:03 am

I’m growing concerned that Uncle Samantha doesn’t know how to undo his/her “Cap Lock” key…

but technology never has been a bastion on the Right…

Simple Truths

March 1st, 2013
9:03 am

The AJC: Incredible. Uncompelling. Incomplete.

This blog meets the AJC’s credo each day.

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

March 1st, 2013
9:04 am

Bosch!

Great to see you back…you may remember me…I was the last “normal” guy here… ;)

Generation EBTer

March 1st, 2013
9:06 am

Before I crawl out of bed, just one question: Has president puppet master pulled the string on the check cutting machine?

OK one more: Is it doomsday yet?

Bosch

March 1st, 2013
9:07 am

Hi ya Normal! Been staying away from those ladders? I’m trying to get my liberal bonafides back. Hate to eat and run, but I’ll check back after lunch!

UNCLE SAMANTHA

March 1st, 2013
9:07 am

Thomas Heyward Jr

DIDN’T YOU KNOW?
ITS NOT OCCUPY WALL STREET

IT WALL STREET OCCUPY!

n

March 1st, 2013
9:09 am

“The Legislature has the same ratio of saints to sinners as the population at large, which is another way of saying that beneath the Gold Dome, no saints walk.”

I wish that was true, Jay, but I think the Georgia Legislature attracts the most venal and corrupt among us, with a meager few exceptions. These folks don’t run for office for the salary, which is among the lowest in the U.S. and should be raised to something reasonable. They run to line their pockets and those of their cronies. That is the major reason Georgia is sliding into Third World status.. There are few if any true public servants, or people showing the slightest interest in moving the state forward. They spend all their time posturing and trying to fool the electorate, while seizing every possible opportunity for self-enrichment.

AmericaShrugged

March 1st, 2013
9:15 am

Too bad the Demns aren’ in charge under the Dome. If they were, we wouldn’t have to worry about any of this gift limit and ethics reform stuff. When Murphy was Speaker, he and his cronies just stuffed their pockets day and night!

F. Sinkwich

March 1st, 2013
9:16 am

“OK one more: Is it doomsday yet?”

Well, almost around here. Layed off teachers, cops, and firefighters have been rioting and looting pretty much all morning. Fortunately an airliner fell from the sky scattering them, at least for the time being.

Rumor has it former meat inspectors are sharpening their cleavers to do some serious “inspecting” later today, so things could get dicey.

Occupy White House

March 1st, 2013
9:19 am

Harty har har, SINK or swim, baby!

kayaker 71

March 1st, 2013
9:22 am

Bozo’s and Bookman’s lame predictions will point out how ridiculous this whole fiasco has become. Both of them will look pretty foolish when none of this comes true.

TBS

March 1st, 2013
9:27 am

Kayaker

If it ends up looking as foolish as the “320 plus EC votes for Romney. Count on it” prediction you put forth numerous times… It will certainly look pretty bad.

Off topic but our neighboring state

March 1st, 2013
9:31 am

The board filed the lawsuit for declaratory judgment in Calhoun County Circuit Court against Consolidated Publishing Co., which owns The Star. Since RMC purchased Jacksonville Medical Center in December, The Star has requested the purchase price and other contract details under the state’s open records law, but has not filed any legal action.

http://www.annistonstar.com/view/full_story/21834790/article-RMC-files-lawsuit-to-block-The-Star%E2%80%99s-open-records-request?instance=home_lead_story

TaxPayer

March 1st, 2013
9:32 am

So. According to the latest con rants, the sky isn’t falling and it is all Obama’s fault. Right. :lol:

n

March 1st, 2013
9:32 am

From AJC Visitor Agreement:

” You also agree that we, and ANYONE AUTHORIZED BY US, may identify you as the author of any of your postings by name, email address or screen name, as we or they deem appropriate.” (Emphasis/CAPS added.)

No more anonymity. This is a real disincentive for open, vigorous debate and criticism of the status quo and the folks in power, who might, just might, take offense.
.

Joe Hussein Mama

March 1st, 2013
9:34 am

I’ve expressed my notion of a gift limit for legislators before, but here it is again.

You can have your Wild Hog Supper.

Done eating now? Good. NOW GET TO WORK, AND NO MORE FUGGIN’ GIFTS.

Accepting anything beyond the Wild Hog Supper should be a felony with a strict liability standard, so if you’re proven to have accepted another gift, you’re automatically guilty. Strict enough?

Our state leaders should be spending those 40 days busting their tails for us, not chasing and snagging goodies.

Thomas Heyward Jr

March 1st, 2013
9:34 am

Whenever one wants to study about ethics reform and such………one should always refer to Chicago……………………not.
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lol

Doggone/GA

March 1st, 2013
9:35 am

“No more anonymity. This is a real disincentive for open, vigorous debate and criticism of the status quo and the folks in power, who might, just might, take offense – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/01/ethics-and-gamesmanship-in-the-ga-legislature/?cp=2#sthash.bIDf6L7t.dpuf

There never was any real anonymity. They could always identify your IP address and give it to the authorities if, for instance, you made a threat against someone

Thomas Heyward Jr

March 1st, 2013
9:37 am

Or Detroit.
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If only Georgia ……………….

MikeB

March 1st, 2013
9:40 am

Bosch…. I agree with your Valerie Plame comment…. But playing the “tit for tat” game is not what I am about…..

Obama was the candidate who pledged on the campaign trail that he would be different than all that have come before him… His administration would be more “transparent” and all that……

Since then he has been anything but…. He has gagged the survivors of the Benghazi fiasco, he has signed into law restrictions on citizens 1st ammendment rights (with nary a comment from the liberal media that would go crazy if it were a Republican President doing similar)….

I would not be commenting so much, if Obama had not made those claims and sucked in so many idealistic voters… He is the only one who did. No other candidate tried to compete with those high ideals…. Its time he lives up to his promises….. Accountability is for Democrats as well as Republicans…. If the mainstream media would learn that we would be so much better off, no matter who is President…….

Joe Hussein Mama

March 1st, 2013
9:40 am

Doggone — “There never was any real anonymity. They could always identify your IP address and give it to the authorities if, for instance, you made a threat against someone”

Dynamic IP addressing somewhat mitigates that; most ISPs allocate users new IP addies at each logon.

Plus, there have been a number of cases in which it has been conclusively proven that IP addies are not a foolproof method of determining responsibility in computer crime cases. There have been at least two cases in the US that I know of in which a culprit downloaded kiddie pr0n thru a neighbor’s unsecured wireless network and successfully covered their tracks to the point where the owner of the unsecured wifi was arrested and tried. Fortunately for the accused, computer experts were able to find the *actual* offenders.

Find Muck

March 1st, 2013
9:40 am

Bush stole the election, it’s all his fault.

Keep Up--Borderline Civility Fighter

March 1st, 2013
9:41 am

No more anonymity. This is a real disincentive for open, vigorous debate and criticism of the status quo and the folks in power, who might, just might, take offense

Oh no, the AJC now has black ops helicopters and they are hovering above your neighborhood. If they drop a gossip columnists, hit the shelters!

St Simons - he-ne-ha

March 1st, 2013
9:41 am

yeah, fat chance.
If anything, traffic at the Cloistah & the Jekyll Island Club has picked up.

and why wasn’t that brain research done in Georgia? Why not here?
oh yeah, hahaha…

Duper

March 1st, 2013
9:42 am

Oswald shot Kennedy.

Brosephus™ -What is your major malfunction, numbnuts?

March 1st, 2013
9:44 am

So. According to the latest con rants, the sky isn’t falling and it is all Obama’s fault. Right. :lol:

That sounds about right for at least a quarter of the posts here. Sad thing is, it’s probably only 3-4 people doing it, but they’re doing it repeatedly. To hell with the zombie apocalypse, the CDC should have put out a warning about the ODS apocalypse. :lol:

Jefferson

March 1st, 2013
9:45 am

A coke or cup of coffee, thats all one should accept. Anything else is ying for yang.

Erwin's cat

March 1st, 2013
9:45 am

Pats by 3

I really don’t see the point on being critical of what “might” happen…what’s the point of spinning the wheel of anticipation?

Joe Hussein Mama

March 1st, 2013
9:48 am

Duper — “Oswald shot Kennedy.”

What about this photographic evidence? :D

http://scienceblogs.com/tfk/2008/11/24/the-oswald-bands-last-show/

DebbieDoRight - Going Over The Fiscal Cliff In A Barrel, With High Heels On

March 1st, 2013
9:49 am

State governments are simply microcosms of our federal government…we are witnessing the efficacy of the latter…

Stevie — quick question. How do you consistently post this drivel ^^ without falling out in laughter while you’re typing?

Erwin's cat

March 1st, 2013
9:49 am

I should have ended my 9:45 with “in politics”

Morality?

March 1st, 2013
9:52 am

It looks like the rats may have sequestered themselves in a corner this time. Sequester – a good “thang”?

DebbieDoRight - Going Over The Fiscal Cliff In A Barrel, With High Heels On

March 1st, 2013
9:52 am

To hell with the zombie apocalypse

The Zombie apocalypse is REAL.

You’d better recognize……………….

Morality?

March 1st, 2013
9:53 am

These guys look like they graduated from the Roy Barnes School of Ethics. S.O.S.O.

MikeB

March 1st, 2013
9:54 am

@Tax Payer I would not say “its all Obama’s fault”…. I would say he has to invest more time in working with Congress vs. spending time going around the country fear mongering….

Part of negotiating, is getting to know the people at the table on your side and on the opposite side….. The President does not seem to be interested in getting to know those people or their POV… Its a missed opportunity to be the transformational (in a forward moving, positive way) President he desires to be….

Brosephus™ -What is your major malfunction, numbnuts?

March 1st, 2013
9:54 am

Obama was the candidate who pledged on the campaign trail that he would be different than all that have come before him… His administration would be more “transparent” and all that……

People who believe such campaign rhetoric show they are completely clueless to how DC actually operates. There are very limited people who are in the upper circles of the political machine. From administration to administration, only the very top people change. Most of the rest of the machine stays the same. If you took the Titanic, painted it red, and gave it a new name, it would still be the same ship.

GT

March 1st, 2013
9:56 am

southpaw the proof ,as they say is in the pudding. Georgia is at the bottom of everything. Not only is the lack of ethical behavior a fat slope’s game, it is a loser’s game too. If you can show me one speck of evidence that this state has benefited from it I too will be a fat sloppy unethical selfish oblique bully. Who knew having selfish shallow fun could help anyone but myself.

Brosephus™ -What is your major malfunction, numbnuts?

March 1st, 2013
9:57 am

DDR

Something told me not to click that link. Even after putting the cursor on it and seeing the web addy, something told me not to click. Sometimes, I just don’t know when to leave well enough alone. I’m just glad that I haven’t poured my coffee yet because I could have burned myself just now.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Joe Hussein Mama

March 1st, 2013
9:58 am

Brosephus — “That sounds about right for at least a quarter of the posts here. Sad thing is, it’s probably only 3-4 people doing it, but they’re doing it repeatedly. To hell with the zombie apocalypse, the CDC should have put out a warning about the ODS apocalypse.”

Are you familiar with the memetics, the theory of memes as ‘thought viruses?’ Its ‘proponents’ point out that memes have many of the same criteria as actual infectious virii.

They self-replicate, they mutate/evolve over the course of generations, they’re transmissible from person to person, some persons show resistance to certain invidiual memes and in extreme cases, individuals can become so consumed with a meme’s central idea that they lose all sense of self-preservation and die (e.g. kamikazes, suicide bombers, nutso cult members).

Some years ago, Laurie Anderson released a song called Language is a Virus (From Outer Space) that touched on the same theory.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

March 1st, 2013
10:03 am

Ah …………. the one issue Jay and I seem to agree on.

NO GIFTS !

Doggone/GA

March 1st, 2013
10:03 am

“People who believe such campaign rhetoric show they are completely clueless to how DC actually operates – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/03/01/ethics-and-gamesmanship-in-the-ga-legislature/?cp=2#comment-1247815

Amen to that! I never pay much attention to politicians when they make claims to doing something I know perfectly well they wont have the power to do. Of course, if those are the ONLY kind of claims they make…that does have some influence on my ability to believe them!

MikeB

March 1st, 2013
10:06 am

Brosephus….. Thats why I did not vote for him…. But I was hopefull once he was elected, that he would at least attempt to be that positively transformational figure in American politics……. Instead, we have a more dysfunctional Federal Govt. than ever….. And that is on his shoulders alone…. He still has a chance, but he has to stop going down this road he’s on…. I personally am not optimistic he will, but that does not stop me from what I have to do to provide for my family…… All I want from Govt is to stay out of my personal life and let me keep what I work so hard for (I am getting taxed to hell, everywhere I turn…)….. Don’t think thats too much to ask…..

Brosephus™ -What is your major malfunction, numbnuts?

March 1st, 2013
10:07 am

JHM

Haven’t heard about that. Sounds like some good reading for me. Thanks for the info.

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Doggone

I’m the same way. I don’t put much stock in what politicians promise. I’m more concerned with the people they surround themselves with. You can get a good idea of what you’re going to get based on the advisor circle. There’s nobody that has the physical knowledge to deal with every aspect of running this country without assistance from advisors.

DebbieDoRight - Going Over The Fiscal Cliff In A Barrel, With High Heels On

March 1st, 2013
10:07 am

SoCoBro (you’ll always be SoCo to me..) – Please don’t thank me. I LOVE doing things like that! I do it out of love for my fellow man. Thank YOU SoCo for allowing me to bring some ummmmmmm……super duper scary as sh###t stuff into your life!

Please send all donations to: DDR For GA Congress!! My Motto Is: I May Not Do Anything; BUT I Will Limit My Thieving To $450K / Yearly!!!!
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I would not say “its all Obama’s fault”…. I would say he has to invest more time in working with Congress vs. spending time going around the country fear mongering….

I guess he sorta “got the hint” that his working with Congress wouldn’t be appreciated the second that he called Boner (I don’t care if its spelled wrong – I LIKE that name better), after the election to talk about the (at that time) Fiscal Cliff; and Boner was “too busy” to come to the phone.

As my old grand used to say, “Even a dog knows when he’s not wanted.”

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Our state leaders should be spending those 40 days busting their tails for us, not chasing and snagging goodies.

OMG! I almost died laughing when I read that!!! You are sooo funny sometimes! Keep up the good work!

guy

March 1st, 2013
10:07 am

If you want laughs,just read Jay’s column’s comments.It just keeps getting better and better. There are a whole lot more than “Three Stooges” out there. We are all insane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gator Joe

March 1st, 2013
10:09 am

Woodward showed his a** and when got it verbally kicked, he whined. No one should waste their smympathy on him, especially when he goes on Hannity to discuss it. I believed Woodward to be a serious jounalist, and he once was. If the sequester is the President’s idea, which is a dubious proposition, then the Republicans certainly liked it, voting for it, and now allowing it to go forward. By the way, if the Republicans say the President got all he is going to get on taxes, then the same should hold true for cuts. that is no more cuts.

Thomas Heyward Jr

March 1st, 2013
10:10 am

Enough of this Sequestionally Ethicatrel Doom-n-Gloom .
Herein lies some good news—————

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This just in from the Associate Press——————
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“In Kenya, half brother to Obama runs for governor ”
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Malik Obama – a half-brother of Barack Obama – is running for a governor’s position in the country’s nationwide elections on Monday, though he said he’s not sure what impact his relationship to the American president has on his campaign.
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The president’s relative even invokes the message that Barack Obama leaned on during his groundbreaking 2008 political campaign: Change. Malik Obama says his platform is poverty eradication, infrastructure development and industrialization.
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Obama is competing against candidates who are from well-funded parties, and the political newcomer may be in need of campaign cash. He asked an AP Television News freelance cameraman to contribute to his campaign. No contribution was given. Obama said he was asking for the individual to contribute, not for AP to contribute.
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That last paragraph was funny.
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deegee

March 1st, 2013
10:11 am

This situation with the Georgia legislature perfectly exemplifies what goes on in Congress at the federal level every day. Now that the sequester is here the word from the political right is that the failure is with the president because he didn’t put on his eye shade, sharpen his pencil and send congress a line by line directive on what to cut. So that’s the president’s job?!?!?!?! Why then do we need congress?

If we didn’t have such a corrupt governor then I would say to let Deal break the deadlock between the GA House and Senate and pass some ethics reform. Sung to the tune of Beautiful Dreamer.

GT

March 1st, 2013
10:12 am

kayaker 71 your crowd defended Nixon for crying out loud. And in that case Woodward was right by a preponderance of evidence. You people like being dirty, that is what keeps your message as you put it in the closet. The country doesn’t like unethical crooks, Georgia being an exception, mainly because they believe the lies. When you stop the ships at sea like Watergate did for the entire world to see how unethical our country’s right wing Republican leadership had become you got my full attention. When our president has declared war on the American people and all free people of this world, come see me. As of now the criminal record is on you, your president would have been the first to go to prison if your other president had not pardoned him. Damn near got a taste of the BOP first hand, might of done this country some good to see one of these unethical bullies go to prison, would have brought your unethical way back to reality. Nope instead the southern strategy invited by Harold Dent at the request of Nixon is still alive as well and the weak are bullied by the same DNA that controlled Nixon who found his political life renewed in the south.

The Supreme Court should visit this in this view while the rule on the voter’s rights act. You have sex perverts running the elementary school when you allow bigots from the right to run elections.

DebbieDoRight - Going Over The Fiscal Cliff In A Barrel, With High Heels On

March 1st, 2013
10:12 am

The President does not seem to be interested in getting to know those people or their POV…

Has the repub POV changed any since 1950? :roll:

St Simons - he-ne-ha

March 1st, 2013
10:13 am

“Some years ago, Laurie Anderson released a song called ‘Language
is a Virus (From Outer Space)’ that touched on the same theory.”

Yes, and an entire song cannot be wrong.

This is a repeatable scientific theorem.
I submit -
“I like big butts and I cannot lie….”

DownInAlbany

March 1st, 2013
10:14 am

The words could almost be considered a threat, a warning shot across the bow from one legislative chamber to the other:

“If the speaker sends a bill that is a total ban (on gifts) and the House has … made a deliberation that they are willing to live under that, then they need to be prepared for that to become law,” Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle warned almost a month ago, referring to an almost total ban on lobbyist gifts proposed by House Speaker David Ralston.

Interesting choice of words, particularly after deciding that “you’ll regret it” is not considered a threat by certain circles!

indigo

March 1st, 2013
10:15 am

If any such bill is actuall passed, you may be sure it will have loopholes big enough to drive a Mack truck thru.

Anyone who honestly thinks the Georgia Legislature will pass a fair and honest ethics bill is gullible beyond belief.

Erwin's cat

March 1st, 2013
10:16 am

I like big butts and I cannot lie….”

gee…thanks for the worm

alex

March 1st, 2013
10:16 am

MikeB 8:57—spot on..

Brosephus™ -What is your major malfunction, numbnuts?

March 1st, 2013
10:16 am

Thats why I did not vote for him…. But I was hopefull once he was elected, that he would at least attempt to be that positively transformational figure in American politics

I don’t buy that hopefulness. You didn’t vote for him. That’s like saying, I’m not going to cheer for the Falcons, but I hope they beat San Francisco in the NFC Championship. At least, that’s how it sounds to me.

Instead, we have a more dysfunctional Federal Govt. than ever….. And that is on his shoulders alone

Don’t you think it’s remotely possible that the party that campaigns on “Government is the problem” might have a bit of a hand at making government dysfunctional? Research Munchausen by Proxy Syndrome and see how closely the symptoms resemble a party that tries to control government by claiming that it’s the problem.

All I want from Govt is to stay out of my personal life and let me keep what I work so hard for (I am getting taxed to hell, everywhere I turn…)….. Don’t think thats too much to ask…..

Well, the government ain’t gonna be able to protect 300 million plus people for free. Not to mention playing police cop to the world. That costs money. If we’re too stupid to charge everyone else for protecting them, we have to pay for it ourselves. That’s just life. Government is not a business, doesn’t have a product to sell, and can not generate a profit to sustain itself as a result. The money to operate the government has to come from somewhere.

I loathe paying taxes. However, I will pay taxes until my last breath before I desire to live in 2nd or 3rd world conditions here at home.

Fred ™

March 1st, 2013
10:17 am

Bosch…. I agree with your Valerie Plame comment…. But playing the “tit for tat” game is not what I am about…..

Bullcrap, that is ALL you are about. Why do you folks act like your words AREN’T here for us all to see? Let’s go back……… Let’s go WAY back…….. all the way to your first post today………..

MikeB

March 1st, 2013
8:28 am
(speaking to Jay) ………Its funny how you get all riled up about what goes on in the Statehouse, but you completley condone, aid and contribute to the lack of ethics and overload of gamesmaship at the Federal level……..

You started with insults and tit for tat and then say that’s not what you are about? Really? You must be a regular on lil Kyle the liars board………….

MikeB

March 1st, 2013
10:17 am

Debbie….. That was Nancy Pelosi that did that to Obama….. Boehner stuck his kneck out of the Republican party to work with Obama many times and almost got crucified by his own party for it… Why? because they knew Obama was not interested in compromise….. As Bob Woodward put it, Obama “kept moving the goalposts”…

Negotiations cannot occur until its defined what is being negotiated…. Obama is a my way or I will smear your POV to the highway kind of President… At least that is how he appears… This sets no good example for politicians in D.C. or at the state level…

When the symbol of our country avoids responsibilities of governance and resplaces those efforts with salesmanship, hyperbole, and intimidation we have regressive breakdown….. Economically speaking this is dangerous… Nevermind how it plays on the world stage….

Winners always win tho…. Have a good day everyone….

Joe Hussein Mama

March 1st, 2013
10:18 am

SSI — “This is a repeatable scientific theorem. I submit -
“I like big butts and I cannot lie….”

And now for some CULTURE. :D

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
(Large buttocks are pleasing to me, nor am I able to lie concerning this matter.)
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur,
(For who, colleagues, would not admit,)
cum puella incedit minore medio corpore
(Whenever a girl comes by with a rather small middle part of the body)
sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos
(Beneath which is an obvious spherical mass, that it inflames the spirits)
virtute praestare ut velitis, notantes bracas eius
(So that you want to be conspicuous for manly virtue, noticing her breeches)
clunibus profunde fartas(*1) esse [--his footnotes are added below after the second translation--]
(Have been deeply stuffed with buttock?)
a! captus sum, nec desinere intueri possum.
(Alas! I am captured, nor am I able to desist from gazing.)
o dominola mea, volo tecum congredi
(My dear lady, I want to come together with you)
pingereque picturam tui.
(And make a picture of you.)
familiares mei me monebant
(My companions were trying to warn me)
sed clunes istae libidinem in me concitant.
(But those buttocks of yours arouse lust in me.)

http://benedictseraphim.wordpress.com/2004/12/06/first-there-was-sir-mixalot-then-latin-got-hold-of-im/

DebbieDoRight - Going Over The Fiscal Cliff In A Barrel, With High Heels On

March 1st, 2013
10:19 am

OMG St. Simons! Right on target as usual! :lol:

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Sung to the tune of Beautiful Dreamer.

OOh I’ve got one!! And after they’ve passed a “legitimate and accurate budget for the first time in about 10 years”; they can sing THIS song:

Back In Black!!!

Paul

March 1st, 2013
10:20 am

” In the final hours of the legislative session, the two chambers reluctantly pronounce themselves unable to come to agreement, which means that neither bill passes. Everybody gets to portray themselves as champions of reform, blaming failure on the other guy, while business as usual continues.”

For once, Georgia’s politicians and Georgia’s citizens are saying the same thing; “How did we ever come to this?”

Brosephus™ -What is your major malfunction, numbnuts?

March 1st, 2013
10:20 am

DDR

With a motto like that, I will vote for you simply for your honesty!!

:lol: :lol:

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St Simons @ 10:13

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ImZTwYwCug

I concur

Brosephus™ -What is your major malfunction, numbnuts?

March 1st, 2013
10:24 am

JHM

Thanks for that bit of culture. Bookmarked it!!!! ;)

GT

March 1st, 2013
10:24 am

The disease in Georgia is apathy. How many eligible people vote, 30%? A determine few could upset the devils on the right that use the church as their market. We actually get exactly what we deserve. Every time it rains in Georgia I worry that God may think so too.

Fred ™

March 1st, 2013
10:24 am

DDR: Your screen name is incomplete. You are missing a boa. It SHOULD say :D ebbieDoRight – Going Over The Fiscal Cliff In A Barrel, With High Heels and a Boa On.

That is all. Carry on.

RB from Gwinnett

March 1st, 2013
10:25 am

In case you worshipers of all things government are still looking for examples of governmental burdens on small businesses, I’m filling out 16 pages of BS for a single employee’s child support obligations. Of course, the documents come with a fine attached if I don’t do everthing they tell me to do in these 16 pages, including notifying their department in writing if the employee quits or is fired. So I guess I’m just supposed to remember that for this employee?????

And then I get to fill out 3 pages of BS on another employee who hasn’t worked for me for over a year after already filling out 20 pages of enemployment crap on them, filling out several pages of appeal documents on them, and doing it a third time just for the fun of it.

And then there’s the city my business is located in…. They decided to “update” their computer systems, so I get to fill out 12 pages of BS, pretty much all of which they already have, and list my home and company addresses on 4 separate forms just to keep my business license.

How much revenue do you think I’ll be able to generate for my business while I’m filling out all these BS forms?

Fred ™

March 1st, 2013
10:25 am

LOL too funny. I had a colon too close to the D and it gave you a smiley face name………

Paul

March 1st, 2013
10:25 am

BOSCH!!!!

A fine pagan “HI” to you!

Just the prior thread Jay and I were sending out good thoughts of concern for you. And here you are. Check out the thread’s topic: we put our minds together, the sum became more than the parts and… you were pulled it!

Welcome back from your sojourn, padawan.

Your wit and screen cleaner have been sorely missed.

We don’t kill fatted calves anymore (well, most of us, anyway…) but this calls for a celebration!

Welcome back with the 21st century version of feasting and making merry! (but don’t tell her boyfriend)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pT79×4qM4FE&list=PL549EB9DBB2FF8C24

MikeB

March 1st, 2013
10:26 am

Am I lying Fred… Do you condone the lack of ethics and the amount of gamesmanship at the Federal level? Be real……Just because its the one you voted for doing it, it does not make it right. Thats what I was saying. I’m not perfect and certainly not a professional blogger/post tracker like some here….

Hope folks can get past the rhetoric that allows politicians to screw us 6 ways from Sunday…. Time for our govt. to stop screwing people who do the right thing when NOBODY is looking is where I’m at….

Ok… Have a great one….

jhunt163

March 1st, 2013
10:26 am

“By the way, if the Republicans say the President got all he is going to get on taxes, then the same should hold true for cuts. that is no more cuts.”

And no more increases in spending if we don’t have the means to pay. I know discretionary spending was trimmed for future spending, but it got a 80% increase in 2009 due to the stimulus and it was included in the omnibus baseline. So basically we are shaving future peanuts off of an increase of over 80%

DebbieDoRight - Going Over The Fiscal Cliff In A Barrel, With High Heels On

March 1st, 2013
10:26 am

quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur,
(For who, colleagues, would not admit,)

Wow! Only Joe can come up with stuff like that!

Hey, so how do you say, “L.A. face with an Oakland Booty” in “cultured” tones?

Skip

March 1st, 2013
10:26 am

It’s been a few hours now, are the cuts to the military still in effect?