Yawn … yet another budget crisis looms

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When a picture is worth a thousand words, go with the picture.

As my colleague Mike Luckovich depicts so well, the sequester is yet another in what is now seems like a never-ending series of artificial budget crises in Washington. What was once extraordinary has become ordinary.

The sequester, for example, is the bastard child of a previous crisis in 2011, when Republicans threatened to push the country into default by refusing to raise the debt ceiling. To get past that crisis, Washington created the sequester, timing the new crisis for after the election and designing it to be so painful to both parties that when the time came, Democrats and Republicans would surely be forced to compromise to avoid it.

They underestimated their own — or each other’s — intransigence. House Republicans have passed a plan to replace the sequester by gutting a series of government poverty and social service programs, in other words putting the burden entirely on those already suffering It contains no new revenue and no cuts in defense.

Democrats, on the other hand, propose a mixture of cuts and revenue increases, with President Obama committing publicly to a ratio of two dollars in cuts for one dollar in new revenue.

But never the twain shall meet, apparently.

Business Insider conducted an interesting poll, asking 550 people which of three proposed budget solutions they prefer. The plans were taken from proposals by House Republicans, the House Progressive Caucus and Senate Democrats, although those polled were not told where the plans originated.

Here’s what the poll found:

Surprisingly, the plan that polled the strongest was the House Progressive Caucus plan. More than half of respondents supported it compared to sequestration and just a fifth of respondents were opposed….

Shockingly, 47 percent of Republicans preferred the House Progressive plan to the sequester. This means that Republicans supported the House Progressive plan just as much as they supported their own party’s plan…. Opposition to the House Republican plan was strong, with 57 percent preferring the sequester to that plan.

– Jay Bookman

562 comments Add your comment

Maximum_Bob

February 28th, 2013
8:14 am

Republicans are committed to killing our government, one way or another.

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
8:15 am

I like Luck’s cartoon today. I found it to be appropriate.

Lord Help Us

February 28th, 2013
8:15 am

Until their base performs gets mass lobotomized or electro-shock therapy to rid themselves of fevered wingnut fantasies, the GOP will continue its descent.

The ‘base’ is flippin whacked out…

stands for decibels - Race Traitor!

February 28th, 2013
8:15 am

is the b-stard child of a previous crisis in 2011

ooh, I’m telling the bluenose!

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
8:15 am

What was the joke made the other day about reading the article before posting and NOT being “first” as a consequence lol?

stands for decibels - Race Traitor!

February 28th, 2013
8:17 am

Democrats, on the other hand, propose a mixture of cuts and revenue increases

friggin idiots that they are…

JKL2

February 28th, 2013
8:19 am

The evil Republicans are going to take away your health care, social security, food stamps, poison your water…Yawn.

obama and the Demwits should be called the “Chicken Little” party. Not to worry as the 47% sheeple eat it up.

stands for decibels - Race Traitor!

February 28th, 2013
8:20 am

Surprisingly, the plan that polled the strongest was the House Progressive Caucus plan

Not surprising to anyone who’s read issue polling over the past twenty years.

Thomas heyward Jr

February 28th, 2013
8:21 am

One shouldn’t really Yawn.
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Fake austerity ………….which seizes wealth to pay central Banksters ………….will touch you too.
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And it’s not gonna be a loving touch.

Vinny

February 28th, 2013
8:22 am

Que the bedwetters.

Obama – The boy who cried wolf …..

JKL2

February 28th, 2013
8:22 am

-Democrats, on the other hand, propose a mixture of cuts and revenue increases

Still waiting on anyone to explain to me how a tax increase is considered a budget cut?

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
8:23 am

obama and the Demwits should be called the “Chicken Little” party. Not to worry as the 47% sheeple eat it up.

Just as they parrot FOXBOT lies, JLK@ exhibits that they will steal others words as well. Not an original thought in their head.

Oh, I know, it’s just “coincidence” that he uses Chicken Little minutes after I use it downstairs……… it’s always a “coincidence” with them, their FOXBOT repetitions and plagiarism.

stands for decibels - Race Traitor!

February 28th, 2013
8:24 am

I’m going to go there again:

Shockingly, 47 percent of Republicans preferred the House Progressive plan to the sequester.

Why is it “shocking” that actual Americans are far, far more progressive, rational, and decent, than the horrible, horrible people who rule us?

Let’s review the “progressive” plan:

The House Progressive Caucus plan replaces the entire sequester with a new plan with equivalent savings. It accomplishes this by ending subsidies to fossil fuel companies, closing several tax loopholes, cutting the corporate meal and entertainment tax deduction at 25 percent, and enacting a 28 percent limit on certain tax deductions and extensions.

What kind of idiot opposes that? Who in their right mind DOESN’T think the stupid f-cking sequester needs to be repealed, taken out back and shot?

(Not that this makes me angry or anything.)

Stevie Ray

February 28th, 2013
8:24 am

JAY

Only and best option right now is to go off cliff. It will give BO more opportunities to bring the alledgedly downtrodden folks on the stage….possibly even on TV. It will give the GOP an opportunity to get flushed should the hysteria be remotely accurate.

We can afford 85 billion…you exaggerate with all those poor and hurting folks who would suffer. The waste in these programs alone will cover the proposed delay in increases in costs (not cuts). Heck your guy identified a bunch of waste in both entitlements and the like…did those evaporate?

Depsite all this sad sales tricks, we will increase spending next year regardless.

stands for decibels - Race Traitor!

February 28th, 2013
8:26 am

We can afford 85 billion…

And shooting yourself in the foot is fun! And f-ck the unemployed–they need to work for less, dammit.

Recon 0311 2533

February 28th, 2013
8:28 am

What lame spin and unadulterated B.S. The president has put forth nothing other than his call for a “balanced approach”. “Balance” is his code word for more tax revenue from those who the left believes provide an endless source. He hasn’t proposed any real spending cuts nor have the Senate Democrats. Obama is only playing politics to appease his base and hurting the country by doing so.

JohnnyReb

February 28th, 2013
8:29 am

I’m with Rush. Obama’s chicken little act is embarrassing.

BTW – it’s an easy poll that produces results to take the money from someone else, leave mine alone.
Even Repubs fall for that one.

stands for decibels - Race Traitor!

February 28th, 2013
8:30 am

Stevie Ray

February 28th, 2013
8:30 am

Will BO still require armed services to buy biofuels at costs several times more than conventional fuels?

Also lest we forget, BO et al have bogus accounting tricks to make any reductions in growth evaporate….same as 2011..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/many-2011-federal-budget-cuts-had-little-real-world-effect/2013/02/09/11938e3e-6bc6-11e2-a396-ef12a93b4200_story_3.html

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

February 28th, 2013
8:31 am

The next frame of Luckovich’s cartoon you don’t see is the one where the “elephant” shoots himself in the foot after the sequester happens. I am absolutely amazed at how stupid they think the general public is. It’s no wonder they want to shorten early voting time, split electorial college votes and do what ever else they can do to skew election results. Without that, I don’t believe there will be a GOP come 2014. They are laughable.

JAY, I guess you were right. It IS going to happen.

JohnnyReb

February 28th, 2013
8:31 am

I like Rove’s idea. Pass a bill to give agency heads authority to move the money around, then call them to the hill when they don’t or do stupid things.

An example is the agriculture secretary who has threatened to lessen/stop some food inspections while throwing around 4 billion on free cell phones where 40% receiving them don’t qualify.

indigo

February 28th, 2013
8:32 am

“putting the burden on those already suffering”

“Those already suffering” are people who cannot make any financial contributions to The Republican Party. Therefore, in the eyes of the Party, any Govt. funding going to these suffering would be better spent in Republican pockets.

Money – everything

Conscience – none

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

February 28th, 2013
8:32 am

Oh dear, where are my manners? Good morning to all y’all. Have a wonderful day…please…and do a good deed for a stranger…it surprises the hell out of them ;)

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
8:34 am

An example is the agriculture secretary who has threatened to lessen/stop some food inspections while throwing around 4 billion on free cell phones where 40% receiving them don’t qualify.

I’m sure you have a source for your allegations?

Stevie Ray

February 28th, 2013
8:34 am

stands for decibels – Race Traitor!

February 28th, 2013
8:26 am

If you believe that unemployment is going to be increased meaningfully by any of these measures to simply rein in (as opposed to cut), or slow growth of cost, you are mistaken. The spell of gloom doom and despair has you in its clutches.

Funny how you take the BO gimic as chosen reply..perhaps you can pull up some alledged future unemployed up on your stage and sing a song of woe..

JKL2

February 28th, 2013
8:34 am

fred- Oh, I know, it’s just “coincidence” that he uses Chicken Little minutes after I use it downstairs

Since I haven’t been “downstairs” I guess it’s a coincidence. The Republicans have been charged with “taking away” social security for at least the 30 years I’ve paid attention to politics. The only ones who are going to take it away are the Democrats who refuse to change and are going to bankrupt it.

I liked Bush’s plan to let you invest 4% and potentially double your payment at retirement, but the greedy Democrats refuse to let go of your money. Your too stupid to know what’s best for you.

southpaw

February 28th, 2013
8:34 am

“ratio of two dollars in cuts for one dollar in new revenue”

Are these cuts inside-the-Beltway style or outside-the-Beltway style? In other words, are they reducing an already planned increase, or are they going to decrease real dollars being spent in a year or other given time period?

Divide and Conquer

February 28th, 2013
8:35 am

@Maximum Bob

“Republicans are committed to killing our government, one way or another.”

I disagree. They are committed to growing the government, just in a different way than the Democrats; always have been.

Simple Truths

February 28th, 2013
8:35 am

“The House Progressive Caucus plan replaces the entire sequester with a new plan with equivalent savings – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/02/28/yawn-yet-another-budget-crisis-looms/#sthash.51CMAfjl.dpuf

If you define “savings” as higher taxes, then yes, that plan will work. Most people don’t define savings in that way. Most people think of savings as spending less money.

Stevie Ray

February 28th, 2013
8:36 am

JohnnyReb

February 28th, 2013
8:31 am

I couldn’t agree more….give department heads opportunity to find waste to complete. These lame relationship of slowing growth by an amount divided by headcount is simply disingenuous…

Cliff dive..best course..

JohnnyReb

February 28th, 2013
8:36 am

I dont want to be sent to the corner, so I won’t use names, but some posting here are so stupid when making remarks about Republicans not caring about the less fortunate.

Thomas

February 28th, 2013
8:36 am

Mike Luckovich is an embarrassment to an already embarrassing newspaper. Intellectual midget that cannot draw and has never been funny.

Gotta love a quote “the unemployed need to work for less”. Little early to get your brain cells around that one.

Anyway- keep changing the world one blog at a time people. Remember to hydrate.

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
8:37 am

Obama, Congress Must Reach Deal On Budget By March 1, And Then April 1, And Then April 20, And Then April 28, And Then May 1

http://www.theonion.com/articles/obama-congress-must-reach-deal-on-budget-by-march,31460/

Thomas heyward Jr

February 28th, 2013
8:37 am

Where does the “prog caucus” stand on giving the politically-connected Banks 85 billion PER MONTH via the Fed?
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It doesn’t.
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Sound and Fury signifying …………………..tardness.

JohnnyReb

February 28th, 2013
8:38 am

Fred – I’m not your personal research assistant. Look it up yourself.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 28th, 2013
8:38 am

Well, if the sequester don’t get you the continuing resolution will, and on and on till we find something the voters support us on. There’s got to be something we can win on. I feel downright sorry for The Boner. Poor guy, he wants to settle this but if he does his buddies will pull the gallows handle and he’ll find hisself setting in the back like that other GOP speaker. This Obama is mean, playing with the little mouse and deciding when to kill.

It’s like pointing one of them Polish pistols, the kind where the barrel is pointing back toward the guy holding it. I never seen such a mess.

Have a good Thursday everybody.

Welcome to the Occupation

February 28th, 2013
8:38 am

When you, of all people, yawn, Jay, well … the terrorists win a little bit.

Stevie Ray

February 28th, 2013
8:38 am

JAY

OMG heaven forbid the energy department has to eliminate 1000 homes from energy efficient retro-fits…book of revelations stuff..

Divide and Conquer

February 28th, 2013
8:38 am

“oh the sequestration…let’s begin.”
Sung to the tune of Mel Brooks Inquisition song….
:)

curious

February 28th, 2013
8:39 am

Somebody please list the taxes proposed to go higher.

stands for decibels - Race Traitor!

February 28th, 2013
8:40 am

If you believe that unemployment is going to be increased meaningfully by any of these measures to simply rein in (as opposed to cut), or slow growth of cost, you are mistaken.

ANY willful increase in our unemployment — and anything short of full repeal of this bloody abortion of a bill is going to do that — is a dereliction of duty to uphold the Constitution. These f-ckers should resign before they’d EVER willfully inflict suffering on the population like that.

The spell of gloom doom and despair has you in its clutches.

It is not “gloom and doom,” it is already gloomy and doomy for those who are ALREADY unemployed because stupid austerity measures already in place.

Funny how you take the BO gimic as chosen reply..perhaps you can pull up some alledged future unemployed up on your stage and sing a song of woe..

If you think I believe the President has handled this competently you have not been paying attention. Jeez, click my link @ 8.30–look at the second panel. That’s what I think of it.

Welcome to the Occupation

February 28th, 2013
8:42 am

“Surprisingly, the plan that polled the strongest was the House Progressive Caucus plan

Perfect! The ONE plan that is universally IGNORED by the Washington political class.and the ruling elite generally. THAT’s the one that polls strongest.

Could there possibly be a better illustration of the violent swing to the right of the ENTIRE political spectrum among the political class in this country?

Stevie Ray

February 28th, 2013
8:42 am

Thomas

February 28th, 2013
8:36 am

I like Lukovichs drawing ability. Too bad his by-lines are simply DEM talking points…no wonder those here adore him so much…he’s the guy drawing whatever the “progressives” want to hear..

JohnnyReb

February 28th, 2013
8:42 am

Here’s a fact for Obama and his supporters. Tax increases are over. He got it, that’s it, just one.

And, tinkering with the code where the rate does not change but the amount of taxes paid goes up – that’s a tax increase.

How do I know this? Because if the Repub House caves they are done with; turn off the lights and go home, they won’t be reelected, Boehner will be out, etc.

Recon 0311 2533

February 28th, 2013
8:43 am

JohnnyReb@8:31- Exactly.

stands for decibels - Race Traitor!

February 28th, 2013
8:44 am

Perfect! The ONE plan that is universally IGNORED by the Washington political class.and the ruling elite generally.

and isn’t really all that progressive, it just happens to be the most rational of the three.

They also had the most rational budget, universally ignored, during the debt ceiling stupidity.

and of course the only real means to provide affordable healthcare for all was via HR 676 (single payer), which was treated by our so-called liberal media like… well, nothing. You’d not even know the bill existed if you were following the news at the time.

Not that this makes me angry or anything.

Soothsayer

February 28th, 2013
8:45 am

Aquagirl

February 28th, 2013
8:46 am

Fred – I’m not your personal research assistant. Look it up yourself.

I see why Fred gets time-outs, with chew toys like this wrapping themselves in bacon.

Lord Help Us

February 28th, 2013
8:47 am

‘Tax increases are over.’

tee that one up with, ‘Romney in a landslide…”

Boehner will cave, rationalize, and GOP sheep will demand more Benghazi investigations. Your party is lost…

Stevie Ray

February 28th, 2013
8:47 am

stands for decibels – Race Traitor!

February 28th, 2013
8:40 am

Sorry about the last comment. You are of course correct I note your comments against the way this has been handled..my bad.

I disagree about loss of jobs. First the cuts are more more that 2% and as high as 5% and slightly higher for defense. If the DEMs agree, as BO has indicated, to cut some identified waste from entitlements, these attempts to slow growth will be spread across entire spending spectrum and very little if any, pain would be felt…even if not, the department heads will have incentive to get creative to find opportunities to get some waste out without sacrificing department objectives…

Brosephus™ - Always bet on Black.

February 28th, 2013
8:47 am

I think EJ Dionne summed it up best yesterday. While I don’t usually agree with him, I think he hit a note or two in the correct key yesterday.

The air of establishment Washington is filled with talk that Obama must “lead.” But Obama cannot force the House Republican majority to act if it doesn’t want to. He is (fortunately) not a dictator.

What Obama can do is expose the cause of this madness, which is the dysfunction of the Republican Party.

Journalists don’t like saying this because it sounds partisan. But the truth is the truth, whether it sounds partisan or not.

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One proposal Republicans are floating would give Obama more flexibility to administer the sequester. Thus, a party that says it can’t trust Obama enough to negotiate with him would trust him so much as to grant him exceptional power.

The contradiction is so glaring that Republicans are split on the idea, and it’s foolish anyway. As a senior administration official suggested, it’s like being told that two of your fingers will be cut off but you could choose which fingers. How is it a “concession” to ask Obama to organize the cuts he says would be a disaster?

Seems like the GOP forgot about their Constitution reading stunt. Congress owns the job of dealing with budgets and such, not the President. If Congress wishes to abdicate their Constitutional authority, then maybe they need to abdicate their positions altogether and let someone else figure things out.

Welcome to the Occupation

February 28th, 2013
8:48 am

Jay: “They underestimated their own — or each other’s — intransigence ”

What do you mean “each other’s” intransigence? There is no intransigence on both sides, only on the Republican side. The Democrats — CPC aside — has shown again and again that it is ready to bend over backwards to get a deal, that all it needs is a token tax rate/revenue raise as a fig leaf just so there’s some ever so minimal distance between the Democrats and the Republicans (since you have to have a magnifying glass to see any). Hell they even made 99% of the “Bush tax cuts” permanent without so much as a peep from the so-called “liberal base”, who evidently are to start struck with Mr. Obama to realize they’re being sold down the river .

curious

February 28th, 2013
8:49 am

Let’s pay some more farmers not to plant anything.

Exxon needs their subsidy; how else are they going to get by with their $30+B profit.

We need those F-35s that don’t fly and DOD doesn’t want.

I bird hunt for my general well being; I should be able to deduct that as a medical expense.

I drink Jack Daniels for medicinal purposes; is that another medical deduction?

There is plenty of waste.

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
8:50 am

JohnnyReb

February 28th, 2013
8:38 am

Fred – I’m not your personal research assistant. Look it up yourself.
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I knew that or something similar would be your response. It’s ALWAYS what liars say when they cant’ substantiate their wild assed claims.

gadem also known as Benghazi

February 28th, 2013
8:50 am

Did someone say Benghazi?

Keep Up--Borderline Civility Fighter

February 28th, 2013
8:50 am

Oh well, looks like our conned will continue their extremism and denial based on a set of lies and deceptions that they have convinced themselves exist. The deficit has declined every year since 2009 and the increase that year was of course to recover from Bush recession. The debt is being addressed and rather than being smart, the conned want to continue their stupidity and claim that they know their own truths. Benghanzi!

Peadawg

February 28th, 2013
8:51 am

“It contains no new revenue” – That’s b/c Obama got his tax increase back in December/January and the GOP is wanting to hold him to his promise of spending cuts.

I do wish they could hammer out a new plan though to cut wasteful programs and not stuff we actually need and close loopholes for the yacht owners.

Brosephus™ - Always bet on Black.

February 28th, 2013
8:53 am

BlahBlahBlah

February 28th, 2013
8:53 am

These cuts are so horrible to the economy that the Dow Jones Industrial Average is a whisker away from an all time high. Oh, the humanity!

Welcome to the Occupation

February 28th, 2013
8:53 am

You shouldn’t “yawn” when you hear of the latest crisis, Jay. You should reach for your revolver.

Metaphorically, of course.

Doggone/GA

February 28th, 2013
8:54 am

“If Congress wishes to abdicate their Constitutional authority, then maybe they need to abdicate their positions altogether and let someone else figure things out. – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/02/28/yawn-yet-another-budget-crisis-looms/#sthash.5nVLDrWN.dpuf

Well..they already abdicated on their responsibility to declare war, when W was President. So why NOT give away another Constitutional power?

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
8:54 am

Aquagirl: I see why Fred gets time-outs, with chew toys like this wrapping themselves in bacon.

That is freaking hilarious…………… and I just can’t resist can I? The tee them up and I get in trouble for driving them down range.

It’s a baited field. Hunting stupid in a sea of Republicans………….

TaxPayer

February 28th, 2013
8:55 am

Union

February 28th, 2013
8:56 am

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
8:56 am

Doggone (from downstairs):

Doggone:<i. (if you look before the thread changes):I refuse. It started yesterday and as far as I’m concerned, if they want it there so bad…they’re going to GET it there.

Ah. It makes sense now. I saw a little bit of that discussion yesterday but didn’t’ scroll back far enough to see what y’all were talking about. I now understand.

stands for decibels - Race Traitor!

February 28th, 2013
8:56 am

Just to meet you sorta halfway here–I agree that if one operates from the position that some cuts need to be made, then yes, the ones being proposed by the White House are likely the least stupid.

If the DEMs agree, as BO has indicated, to cut some identified waste from entitlements, these attempts to slow growth will be spread across entire spending spectrum and very little if any, pain would be felt…

But cuts do not need to be made. We need to build things, increase wages, get people back to work. Nothing should be done to put more people out of work.

History will judge the horrible, horrible people in charge very harshly, methinks, if this stupid bill isn’t outright repealed. I continue to hold out hope it will be.

but, back to the here and now:

even if not, the department heads will have incentive to get creative to find opportunities to get some waste out without sacrificing department objectives…

No more incentive than they already have. No, what will happen is, for a month or two, these departments will manage to shuffle money around and try to keep as many people as they possibly can before they start dropping the ax. The effects of these cutbacks won’t be immediately gloomy/doomy, but the GDP growth will slow, and who knows, we might actually get an outright recession as a result.

Not catastrophic–I never said that–just incredibly stupid, stupid, stupid.

/drive-by

JKL2

February 28th, 2013
8:57 am

Thomas- Gotta love a quote “the unemployed need to work for less”.

Used have a neighbor who got fired from his union job because he wouldn’t show the security what was inside his suitcase he was bringing into work (trinkets he wanted to show his friends).

Two years later I found a $17/hr job for him. He said he couldn’t afford the pay cut…

PS: He’s now happily surrounded by fellow union employees in prison.

Vinny

February 28th, 2013
8:58 am

Yawn…… Another bedwetting liberal diatribe

Keep Up--Borderline Civility Fighter

February 28th, 2013
8:58 am

Hunting stupid in a sea of Republicans

Well its not really hunting when you can swing a stick and knock over 10 or more at a time. ;)

Stevie Ray

February 28th, 2013
8:58 am

Brosephus™ – Always bet on Black.

February 28th, 2013
8:47 am

Are you suggesting that BO simply sit tight and allow congress to handle so he can Monday morning quarter back in terms of his most successful blame game?

Perhaps standing up and saying the for example, medicare growth slowing can be largely accomplished by cutting fat BO himself has identified….and that’s what he expects to see.

I get the impression (wrongly perhaps) that your footing holding Congress responsible for lack of leadership and functionality is paramount. I don’t disagree wholly but president holds veto power and can certainly step up and make the most of this opportunity he has to show public he is not completely DEM homer and is really interested in doing right by us. Lead a deal.

The senate hasn’t passed a bill for several years…any submitted by BO have been soundly defeated by both parties…pushing problems down the road is disrespectful to all of us..

Gotta run…catch back up to you later..

stands for decibels - Race Traitor!

February 28th, 2013
8:58 am

one more thing:

You should reach for your revolver.

Crank. it. up.

Bob

February 28th, 2013
8:58 am

Of course you blame repubs because nothing bad ever happens because of dems right ? Lets face it, Obama submitted budgets to the senate and not one senate dem voted in favor of Obama’s budget proposals. Why do dem senators want Obama to fail ? Had Obama’s budgets passed he would half cut the deficit in half by now and Harry Reids senate did not deliver one single vote for Obama. Maybe Harry Reid is a racist, for some reason he has not delivered for Obama.

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

February 28th, 2013
8:58 am

STANDS,

What’s with the “Race Traitor” bit? Did you cheat in the relay? :)

Doggone/GA

February 28th, 2013
8:59 am

“Let’s pay some more farmers not to plant anything”

You should educate yourself on the history of that program (hint: it has to do with the Great Depression)

Or just watch the series on “The Great Depresson” that show up periodically on PBS. It’s an eye opener.

williebkind

February 28th, 2013
8:59 am

“Republicans are committed to killing our government, one way or another.”

Not killing it but making it smaller and more accountable for spending.

Welcome to the Occupation

February 28th, 2013
8:59 am

I agree entirely, decibels.

There are certain ideas that are simply “out of the question”.

Single-payer health insurance is one of them. And with the Tories busy dismantling the beloved NHS system in the UK as we speak, hard to see how that ever changes. There’s simply no organized pressure.

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
8:59 am

Union: Thanks. As I read that article it shows that the Government DID tighten up and cut out the 41% (which isn’t what JohnnyReb indicated). Also the corporate welfare is STILL being paid to the phone companies.

Funny how JohnnyReb can twist facts into a lie……..

curious

February 28th, 2013
9:00 am

Let’s cut a few entitlements like tax loopholes and subsidies to corporations.

wahoo

February 28th, 2013
9:00 am

stands for decibels:

You asked what kind of idiot would appose the House Progessive Caucus Plan. While you term it rational, and certainly parts of it are rational, I would oppose other parts of their plan.

First, throughout our history, following the conclusions of our wars, we’ve reduced defense spending materially. I think more can be done here than either what is put forth by the Progressive Caucus or the Sequester.

Second, (as I recall understanding it) some of the loopholes for the “rich” targeted by the Progreessive Caucus impact charitable giving and the mortgage interest deduction. I would be stridently opposed to eliminating loopholes for charitable giving. Because people continue to be hurting in this tepid recovery, I think that charities need every advantage to keep their coffers as full as possible to help the destitute. Further, I am somewhat skeptical on eliminating or reducing the mortgage interest deduction for upper income earners. As is widely being documented, housing is finally making a recovery. I am reticent to rock the boat there.

Moderate Line

February 28th, 2013
9:01 am

They underestimated their own — or each other’s — intransigence. House Republicans have passed a plan to replace the sequester by gutting a series of government poverty and social service programs, in other words putting the burden entirely on those already suffering It contains no new revenue and no cuts in defense.
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From my perspective it shows that both parties are more about political calculation. If the Republicans really cared about defense that would propose somthing that would at least be a starting position for negotiation.

All of this shows the priorities of the Republicans:
1) No tax increase
2)budet deficit
3)Defense

They are allowing the first two to get in the way of the third. If the budget deficit was important they would be willing to raise taxes and cut defense.

Unfortunately, I don’t have any higher regard for Obama and the Dem. They seem unmotivated because they are going to win politically on this issue. The Dems just negotiated a tax increase if I was a Republican I would feel like idiot if I am being asked to look at another so soon.

Doggone/GA

February 28th, 2013
9:02 am

“Lets face it, Obama submitted budgets to the senate and not one senate dem voted in favor of Obama’s budget proposals – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/02/28/yawn-yet-another-budget-crisis-looms/?cp=1#comment-1246083

Got proof?

ATL Tiger

February 28th, 2013
9:02 am

Jay,

No mention of Rep Tom Price and Sen Marco Rubio’s bill that would cut $45 billion in unused funds as a way to offset some of the $85 billion sequester? Whether or not it’s for the sequester, it should still be rescinded and put down on our debt.

http://tomprice.house.gov/press-release/congressman-price-senator-rubio-introduce-bill-targeting-45-billion-unspent-money

Not to mention all the billions in waste our government seems to care nothing about. Just like the VA wasting $1 billion on medical e-records.

http://www.freep.com/usatoday/article/1952143?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE%7Cs

Doggone/GA

February 28th, 2013
9:03 am

Fred – thanks, I did see that on the previous blog…just didn’t get a chance to reply because the new one was up already

ZoSo

February 28th, 2013
9:03 am

The sequester is brilliant. Now whose idea was it?

Peadawg

February 28th, 2013
9:04 am

Stevie Ray

February 28th, 2013
9:04 am

stands for decibels – Race Traitor!

February 28th, 2013
8:56 am

Yup. I think we may disagree on objective. You say cut, I say slow growth…I think deep down we both know either way, we are going to get snookered once again..nothing will change but BO has great opportunity to step up here.

mm

February 28th, 2013
9:04 am

“you exaggerate with all those poor and hurting folks who would suffer.”

Yeah, who gives a sh*t about the 700,000 jobs that will be lost!

” “Balance” is his code word for more tax revenue from those who the left believes provide an endless source. ”

This tax revenue would be from closing tax loopholes, and there are plenty. You know, the same thing Romney was proposing.

TaxPayer

February 28th, 2013
9:04 am

Republicans prefer the Democratic plan so long as they do not know in advance that it is the Democratic plan and instead judge it on its content. That prettty much sums up the Republican efforts since 2008. The Party of No Good. The Petty Party. By the way cons, don’t change a thing. You’re unskewed data shows your plans are working just great.

JKL2

February 28th, 2013
9:04 am

Brosephus- The air of establishment Washington is filled with talk that Obama must “lead.” But Obama cannot force the House Republican majority to act if it doesn’t want to. He is (fortunately) not a dictator.

Use of “force” (an obama favorite) is not leadership. That’s the problem. He has zero people skills.

Doggone/GA

February 28th, 2013
9:04 am

“Yawn…… Another bedwetting liberal diatribe”

Yawn…… Another bedwetting con diatribe

independent thinker

February 28th, 2013
9:05 am

Someone please explain why under the current austerity conditions, the IRS is mailing big fat refund and tax credit checks to anyone who does not pay taxes including over 400 million to Facebook? (See Jay’s prior expose)??????????????? Does that make any sense – just like earned interest carryovers and tax write offs for relocating plants offshore, or costs of a dancing horse or moving corporate income offshore to avoid corporate taxes. Of course cons claim these considerations on the revenue side are taboo (due to their megadonors greed).But if Obama proposes a remedy he is labelled a Kenyan Marxist.

Keep Up--Borderline Civility Fighter

February 28th, 2013
9:05 am

OMG heaven forbid the energy department has to eliminate 1000 homes from energy efficient retro-fits…book of revelations stuff..

Well if are a family with elderly and young kids living in a home now facing frequently record snow storms and having to heat a single room with your oven or a space heater…. it does make a big difference. But as long as some don’t have to pay any more in taxes on their dividends, the massive incomes, etc, sure be proud. Fly that flag of ignorance and uncaring attitudes while trotting out your bible waving. :roll:

Joe Hussein Mama

February 28th, 2013
9:05 am

Fred — “Funny how JohnnyReb can twist facts into a lie……..”

Sometimes, you get a Con BINGO when the source they cite actually *contradicts* the claim they’re making. That most often happens when they cite news articles (as distinguished from opinion essays, which they often seem to think are actually hard news) or academic papers.

Aquagirl

February 28th, 2013
9:07 am

Funny how JohnnyReb can twist facts into a lie……

That’s giving him far too much credit. Rove types do the twisting, JohnnyRebs read it somewhere and re-squawk. That’s why you get the “google it yerself” line. They can’t even figure out how an idea got in their heads.

indigo

February 28th, 2013
9:08 am

JohnnyReb – 8:36

So, what do you call “putting the burden on those already suffering”?

Kind compassion for “the less fortunate”?

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

February 28th, 2013
9:08 am

williebkind

February 28th, 2013
8:59 am

“Republicans are committed to killing our government, one way or another.”

Not killing it but making it smaller and more accountable for spending

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Except in the rights of women and their bodies. And they want all the spending to go to the rich. Less government means less oversight. GOP things are better done in the dark, it seems..

No, The GOP aim is totalitarianism through financial control. Just another kind of Fascism…and y’all are falling for it.

Stevie Ray

February 28th, 2013
9:08 am

mm

February 28th, 2013
9:04 am

So you really believe that 700K jobs will be lost? If you choose to form your opinions on the over reaching predictions that amount to scare tactics, thats your thing. Spreading the plan to slow growth across all spending will make this work…

Doggone/GA

February 28th, 2013
9:09 am

“Doggone @ 9:02 – I think he’s talking about this”

And never mind that it CLEARLY STATES in the VERY FIRST sentence that the bill was NOT submitted by Obama.

“A budget resolution based on President Obama’s 2013 budget failed to get any votes in the Senate on Wednesday”

Moderate Line

February 28th, 2013
9:09 am

Obama and his political team appear confident a growing public backlash over the sequester will pressure GOP leaders to agree to raise taxes to prevent the across-the-board cuts.

Meanwhile, the White House is backing off its prior warnings that the sequester will strike a quick and devastating blow to the economy.

A senior GOP aide on Wednesday highlighted news reports that Obama’s political advisers now concede the cuts will not immediately disrupt federal services, managing public expectations in the wake of dire warnings.

Read more: http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/285419-sequester-here-to-stay#ixzz2MCcax8Mh

The Dems and the Reps are going to war and they both think they can win. Obama is hoping the sequester is bad enough so he can get tax increases.

Now we see that Obama is lower expectations of the impact.

I believe both are playing a game of chicken.

Right now I think the Dems will win but I think it can go either way.

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
9:13 am

Doggone: While I am too lazy to look it up and give an example, I seem to remember that Republicans in the Senate refused to vote for Obama’s plan because it included raising some taxes and cuts in the military budget (and of course because it was OBAMA’S plan lol) while Democrats refused to vote for Obama’s plan because it contained cuts to entitlements.

As I recall, it was a pretty damn good plan that had more cuts than any other plan as well as some common sense tax raises.

But like I said, I’m too lazy to look it up. I’m also not 100% sure that what I posted is accurate, it’s just what I recall. His Senate plan doesn’t get much press by either the “lying left wing mainstream media” OR from the talk radio FOXBOTS. Well except for the fact that it was rejected 99-0.

curious

February 28th, 2013
9:14 am

The way some of you oppose closing tax loopholes, you must either be a beneficiary of the loophole or a lobbyist.

Which is it?

UNCLE SAMANTHA

February 28th, 2013
9:14 am

those DOGGONE FACTS!!! they make a liberal cry

Senate rejects Obama budget in 99-0 vote

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/227857-senate-rejects-obama-budget-in-99-0-vote/

In the middle

February 28th, 2013
9:14 am

This is Obama’s speech. Just sayin.

“Mr. President, I rise today to talk about America’s debt problem. The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. government can’t pay its own bills.”

“It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our government’s reckless fiscal policies. Over the past five years, our federal debt has increased by $3.5 trillion to $8.6 trillion. That is ‘‘trillion’’ with a ‘‘T.’’ That is money that we have borrowed from the Social Security trust fund, borrowed from China and Japan, borrowed from American taxpayers.”

bookman parrot

February 28th, 2013
9:15 am

sir jay, bho already has received a tax revenue increase with the fiscal cliff garbage. now he want another … then another … then another…. he will talk a good game of cuts … but they will somehow never happen

alittlecommonsense

February 28th, 2013
9:16 am

When Obama was campaigning it was 3 or 4 dollars of spending cuts per dollar of new revenue. Now it’s two. And I guess that doesn’t count the round of new revenue that just happened.

And I don’t really even trust that he is cutting anything. Let’s see the bill. I could be wrong but I don’t think the Senate democrats have passed any bill to attempt to stop the sequester. The House Republicans have. Until someone inroduces a bill, it’s just all hot air and posturing.

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

February 28th, 2013
9:18 am

bookman parrot

February 28th, 2013
9:15 am

“he will talk a good game of cuts … but they will somehow never happen”

And you know this, how?

Union

February 28th, 2013
9:19 am

sigh.. the report of 700k jobs lost gives itself an out by saying it “could” happen. a lot of things “could” happen.

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
9:19 am

Oh and dB? I disagree that we can’t have cuts in programs. There is waste in EVERY program out there. While I would bet at LEAST 15% is waste, you of course can’t go and cut 15% from every program because you wouldn’t be getting the waste.

But there are common sense cuts that can be made just like there are common sense tax raises that can be made. If I am reading you correctly, you maintain that NOTHING can be cut. That is as unrealistic as saying NO new taxes or tax increases will solve our problems. We need both increases and cuts.

Class of '98

February 28th, 2013
9:20 am

“with President Obama committing publicly…”

Gosh liberals are stupid. After four+ years of his presidency, they still rely on the tired line of , “Well that’s what Obama SAID he is going to do!!!”, as if that is supposed to end the debate. Whether or not he can do something, or even INTENDS to do something he promises is irrelevant. Liberals see Obama as a faultless, perfect god, and if he SAYS something is going to happen, well, that is the gospel truth to them. Just two of my favorites:

“If you like your current health plan, you can keep it.”
“I will cut the deficit in half in my first term.”

He relies on the stupidity of the gullible sheeple who believe every word he says but are incapable of analyzing his actions. When Lincoln said you can’t fool all of the people all of the time, he didn’t foresee Obamabots.

Jay, unlike you, I don’t believe every precious word that comes out of his mouth. He wants to cut NOTHING, and you quoting him SAYING that intends to cut means less than zero to me.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 28th, 2013
9:22 am

alittlecommonsense — “I don’t think the Senate democrats have passed any bill to attempt to stop the sequester. The House Republicans have.”

The bill the House Republicans passed contained caps for medical malpractice lawsuits.

Tell me, what exactly, do medical malpractice lawsuits have to with the Federal budget and Federal spending?

Simple Truths

February 28th, 2013
9:22 am

I listened yesterday to the back and forth poutrage about only having one carrier task force in the Persian Gulf instead of two.

I have an idea: How about zero carrier task forces in the Persian Gulf? That would be a cost savings!

Welcome to the Occupation

February 28th, 2013
9:22 am

Sorry, had some cut-paste difficulties there. Here’s that Jeffrey Sachs passage again:

Obama has always planned to slash spending

To hear US President Barack Obama tell it this week, the budget sequestration – automatic spending cuts due to kick in on Friday March 1 – will decimate the government. Each party is blaming the other, as if something new and unexpected was about to begin. Many of the pending cuts are indeed ill-advised, but the surprising truth is that from the start of his presidency Mr Obama has planned a steep decrease in discretionary spending as a share of national income.

Each year he has put a budget on the table. Each year that budget has called for a sharp decline in discretionary spending as a share of gross domestic product in 2012 and later years. His rhetoric about increasing public investments in America’s future has always been contrary to the budgets he has presented, though most of his supporters have been unaware of this contradiction.

http://blogs.ft.com/the-a-list/2013/02/27/obama-has-always-planned-to-slash-spending/#axzz2M9Qe1Pzq

Common Sense is Uncommon

February 28th, 2013
9:22 am

The president managed to find 60 million dollars laying around the White House to give without any strings attached to Syrian rebels most of whom are Al Quaida thugs! The rip off continues. I suppose if Michelle would skip one vacation she could save more than 60 million of our dollars but don’t count on it. Can anyone remember Laura Bush taking her daughters on million dollar vacations in the eight years she was the first lady? No? Speaking of Syrian rebels, we are still waiting for that promised thorough investigation of and holding those responsible for the Benghazi murders. Four dead americans and no one in this administration has been held accountable. Can any one say cover up, perjury, liars?

Thomas heyward Jr

February 28th, 2013
9:24 am

0.1% GDP growth?
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LOL.
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And that 0.1% is probably just an accounting error or some federale Job program BS.
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GALT…………….baby………….GALT.
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Decent people are shrugging off the Progressive Federale parasites………….and it’s ABOUT TIME.
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Forward Liberty!

Doggone/GA

February 28th, 2013
9:24 am

“those DOGGONE FACTS!!! they make a liberal cry”

When you have to lie to make a point, you have no point. That “budget” was not submitted by Obama, therefore it was not HIS budget.

Erwin's cat

February 28th, 2013
9:24 am

yawn …. sequester already!

Simple Truths

February 28th, 2013
9:24 am

Corbin @ 9:18 “And you know this, how?”

I think bookman parrot has been studying history.

Arms Akimbo

February 28th, 2013
9:24 am

President Obama has the ability to move funds around to make the sequester less painful. He prefers to use the bully pulpit to try to inflict damage on the GOP for the upcoming election. Once again, Obama shows that he is more interested in partisan politics than the best interests of the country. The interesting trend with Obama right now is how he has blatantly put himself out for sale. The NYT’s revelation last weekend of Obama’s new super-pac Organizing for Action essentailly puts a for sale sign in the White House window. For only $500k, a donor can get quarterly meetings with the President. He did not even meet with the buisness development committee he created for over a year. Isn’t it interesting that Southern Company is finally getting a Federal government loan guarantee for its nuclear power plant projects only after becoming a corporate sponsor for Obama’s inauguration party? Al Capone, I mean President Obama, understands that you have to pay to play to get anything done in my town. It’s the Chicago way. The real tragedy is that despite all the defense of the middle class rhetoric, the only people benefiting from the Obama reign are Democratic insiders and Obama loyalists. The rest of us bear the burden of higher health insurance, energy prices, food prices, and a contraction of take home pay. All of this so an egomaniac can fill the coffers for himself and his cronies.

williebkind

February 28th, 2013
9:25 am

During a commerical, I changed the channel from FOX news to CNN. There was “Pierce” Morgan talking about gun control. I should say Morgan was filabustering the discussion and not allowing the the INVITED guest to respond to a question by taking one word of his guest’s response and unleashing a diatribe of statistics of gun ban controls in other countries. Of course being the progressive wacko liberal he is those statistics were shaped to report a desired outcome–typical liberal research. I did not know that other countries had a 2nd amd. I did not know that liberals do not have a definition of “arms”. I did know liberals have a reading comprehension such as “shall not infringe”. So once again we need 1st amd CONTROL. Ban news media from reporting opinions or as Morgan said, “I am passionate about gun control” which is a violation of constitutional rights. News medial should report facts and not associate or discuss those facts with political agendas. That is for the people to decide. So lets ban parts of the 1st amd because of the abuse and the damages and lives it has taken. Our forefathers, even if you are a recently arrived immigrant ment for the news to keep the public informed with facts and events not to shape the facts and use the event for politcal gain which usually creates chaos and debt. Pierce Morgan is a numpty first class.

Union

February 28th, 2013
9:26 am

medicare fraud costs between?? 60 – 80 billion a year depending on whose numbers you look at. funny thing though.. asking the govt to step in and doing something about it.. just doesnt work either. in 2008 the govt setup a medicaid fraud audit program.. it spent @ 120 million to find less than 20 million in over payments..

irs fraud another 5+ billion dollars..

Welcome to the Occupation

February 28th, 2013
9:29 am

Class of ‘98: “Gosh liberals are stupid. After four+ years of his presidency, they still rely on the tired line of , “Well that’s what Obama SAID he is going to do!!!”, as if that is supposed to end the debate”

See my post from Jeffrey Sachs at 9:22 for more on the cognitive dissonance.

One of the main reasons Obama gets away with that is that he has faithful defenders among his liberal supporters, in places like MSNBC for ex., who can’t see the historical forest for the moment-to-moment trees.

Union

February 28th, 2013
9:29 am

@williebkind.. i watched that interview last night.. that was funny.. morgan seemed like he was a little amped up..

Redcoat

February 28th, 2013
9:30 am

Does anybody really know what is real?…….what a game of misconception and deception going on from both sides.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

February 28th, 2013
9:30 am

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
9:19 am
Oh and dB? I disagree that we can’t have cuts in programs. There is waste in EVERY program out there. While I would bet at LEAST 15% is waste, you of course can’t go and cut 15% from every program because you wouldn’t be getting the waste.

But there are common sense cuts that can be made just like there are common sense tax raises that can be made. If I am reading you correctly, you maintain that NOTHING can be cut. That is as unrealistic as saying NO new taxes or tax increases will solve our problems. We need both increases and cuts.

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Fred, are you trying to say that the GAO reports that show areas programs can be cut and programs need to be increased but to but based on detailed accounting and effectiveness analysis means that its not CUTS OR INCREASE…………. but a more TARGETED APPROACH?

That can’t be done! Can it?

Jay

February 28th, 2013
9:31 am

” he will talk a good game of cuts … but they will somehow never happen

Then how do you explain this chart, Parrot:

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/02/13/so-this-is-obamas-fault/

Get Real

February 28th, 2013
9:32 am

Obama already has gotten his revenue Jay, now is the time for “real cuts”. BTW, I believe the public is finely wising up to the Campaigner-in-Chief especially with all the theatrical scare tactics that have been going on over the last 2-3 weeks… the well is running dry on public stupidity which is bad for your pal Obama

Simple Truths

February 28th, 2013
9:32 am

How many GSA Las Vegas benders need to be cancelled to cut the $85 Billion?

http://news.yahoo.com/more-questions-set-agencys-823k-vegas-parties-115824357.html

JF McNamara

February 28th, 2013
9:32 am

At this point, I don’t really care about the outcome. I just want this to be the last “made for TV” crisis.

Cosby

February 28th, 2013
9:32 am

Yawn….people support….but wait, only 550 perople were interviewed…damn what a sampling…the totally dumb thing is this is less than 2% ot the spending…less than 2%…it is similar to what I heard on the Sunday talk shows when the idiot from Maryland kept talikg about a balanced approached…that is we will not increase spending by 20%, but increase spending by 10% and then increase taxes to pay for it…conclusion..spending will not be cut and taxes will go up – for everyone. As for the programs to be cut…according to Jay only “The Poor” will pay the price…I am so sick and tired of hearing this lame excuse…first..most programs were not originally designed to be a life long take, but a short term cushion…second, there is so much fraud in them that – the old adage – you have a privalege, you abuse it, you loose it – and how about cutting stuff in the elite DC crowd…starting with grounding Air Force One and telling the King he needs to stay in the office and actually work in lieu of playing community oprganizer…last but not least, I understand that the king, Boehner, the Prince, the Princess and Mcconnel will be meeting tomorrow….just look at that picture and it is enough to make one throw up..if that is the best one has to offer for running the USA,. take the damn flag down and surrender…and how about the nut job in Gwinnett county yeasterday the community organizer saying punish business…shame the news even reported his stupidity..but then the news media loves community organizers….the USA the biggest third world country with bafoons running it with the biggest being the King…sad very sad!!!!!!

Thomas heyward Jr

February 28th, 2013
9:33 am

GAULT…………….baby …………GAULT.
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lol

UNCLE SAMANTHA

February 28th, 2013
9:33 am

OH THOSE DOGGONE FACTS!!!!!!!! MAKE A LIBERAL SCREAM

WHITE HOUSE DOESN’T AGREE WITH YOU………. EVEN PREPPED THEIR OWN FOR NOT VOTING FOR IT…………. CRAZY ISN’T IT

The White House sought to provide cover for Democrats to vote against the Obama budget resolution before the vote, arguing the resolution offered by Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) was different from Obama’s budget because it did not include policy report language.

Democrats made the same point on the floor Wednesday in explaining their votes.

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/227857-senate-rejects-obama-budget-in-99-0-vote/#ixzz2MCfR28eH
Follow us: @thehill on Twitter | TheHill on Facebook

Steve

February 28th, 2013
9:33 am

Wow, same $%it, different day, boring boring boring boring. None of the yapping in here can change the fact that most Americans are blaming the GOP in Congress for this mess.

Sorry.

alittlecommonsense

February 28th, 2013
9:36 am

I don’t get your point Hussein. Are you trying to say the Republican bill would not have stopped the sequester, or that it had things in it that you don’t think should have been there?

Republicans are at least doing something -
http://www.federaltimes.com/article/20120913/DEPARTMENTS01/309130001/Republican-backed-sequestration-bill-passes-House-unlikely-go-further

All I see is Dems doing is making hyper-partisan speeches to ensure Republicans get blamed for whatever happens. I don’t see that they have introduced any serious legislation that even the democratic Senate would pass.

Steve

February 28th, 2013
9:36 am

Just like you Einstein’s thought Romney would win, LOL… (why do you come in here and embarrass yourself day after day after day):

New poll: Two-thirds say GOP puts party before country

Just 29% of Americans polled have a positive view of the Republican Party, and 46% have a negative view.

64% of respondents say Republicans are pushing partisanship over national unity. Only 22 % think the GOP is advocating a unified approach.

Aquagirl

February 28th, 2013
9:37 am

Can anyone remember Laura Bush taking her daughters on million dollar vacations in the eight years she was the first lady? No?

Well, yes, but I was reading more than the Drudge report so I can see how you missed those trips. They were nothing to freak out over, some family vacations and some informal diplomacy to reinforce her husband’s policies. Pretty standard stuff for a First Lady.

Thomas heyward Jr

February 28th, 2013
9:37 am

•If you can get arrested for hunting or fishing without a license, but not for being in the country illegally … you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
•If you have to get your parents’ permission to go on a field trip or take an aspirin in school, but not to get an abortion … you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
•If the only school curriculum allowed to explain how we got here is evolution, but the government stops a $15 million construction project to keep a rare spider from evolving to extinction … you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
•If you have to show identification to board an airplane, cash a check, buy liquor, or check out a library book, but not to vote who runs the government … you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
•If the government wants to ban stable, law-abiding citizens from owning gun magazines with more than ten rounds, but gives 20 F-16 fighter jets to the crazy new leaders in Egypt … you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

Mike

February 28th, 2013
9:38 am

Funny how when talking to a group of business leaders, who knew better, Obama downplayed the effects of what will happen if these cuts actually start taking place. It’s like he is two different people depending on who is talking to. He knew these guys were smarter than him about what this would mean, so he talked about it calmly and rationally and said the effects would be slow and sometimes unnoticeable. When he’s talking to the “worker bees, on the other hand, he tries to scare them to death. He really is a great politician.

Steve

February 28th, 2013
9:38 am

Poll: Obama Leads GOP In Public Opinion

49% blame the Republicans for the Sequester, 31% (yep, Confederate White men) blame Obama

http://www.people-press.org/files/2013/02/2-27-13-1-update.png

JohnnyReb

February 28th, 2013
9:38 am

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
8:50 am

JohnnyReb

February 28th, 2013
8:38 am

Fred – I’m not your personal research assistant. Look it up yourself.
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I knew that or something similar would be your response. It’s ALWAYS what liars say when they cant’ substantiate their wild assed claims.
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Fred, seems you believe someone guilty until proven innocent. I thought you were a Liberal?

Steve

February 28th, 2013
9:39 am

So, yap away…nobody cares

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
9:39 am

Fred, are you trying to say that the GAO reports that show areas programs can be cut and programs need to be increased but to but based on detailed accounting and effectiveness analysis means that its not CUTS OR INCREASE…………. but a more TARGETED APPROACH?

That can’t be done! Can it?
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I don’t’ quite understand what you are saying Samantha. That some programs need to be cut and some increased is a given. Hell some programs need to be done away with altogether. Also some tax increases are needed.

I’m not being deliberately obtuse, I really don’t get your point.

mm

February 28th, 2013
9:41 am

“Obama already has gotten his revenue Jay”

For some reason, the GOP just cannot comprehend the fact that they are the minority.

Arms Akimbo

February 28th, 2013
9:41 am

I wonder how many layoffs could be avoided if Obama were to stop the Navy requirement of buying $27 per gallon biodiesel in a $4 market? I guess it is more important to pursue the Energy dept.’s green program than to employ Americans.

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
9:44 am

Fred, seems you believe someone guilty until proven innocent. I thought you were a Liberal?

Only to a jackass am I a liberal. Only to someone who thinks that anyone who doesn’t walk lock step with the foxbot lies or Rush Limbaugh lies am I a liberal.

As usual you actually DIDN’T think, you spouted. I’m an independent. I’m one of the thinking people who decide the election while you brainless far left nutcases and far right nutcases vote down stupid party lines. You use silly one size fits all labels to dehumanize those who don’t subscribe to your brand of lunacy. That is why you fail.

As I said yesterday, Obama didn’t win because people want free stuff, he won because your party ideas SUCK. Until you realize that you will continue to be marginalized……….

Well until the Democrats get as stupidly arrogant and filled with their own dookey as the Republicans currently are. I’m betting that will happen before the Republicans change their suicide course………

UNCLE SAMANTHA

February 28th, 2013
9:46 am

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
9:39 am
Fred, are you trying to say that the GAO reports that show areas programs can be cut and programs need to be increased but to but based on detailed accounting and effectiveness analysis means that its not CUTS OR INCREASE…………. but a more TARGETED APPROACH?

That can’t be done! Can it?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I don’t’ quite understand what you are saying Samantha. That some programs need to be cut and some increased is a given. Hell some programs need to be done away with altogether. Also some tax increases are needed.

I’m not being deliberately obtuse, I really don’t get your point.

==================================================================

Fred,
Was poking fun at the left extremist (increase taxes/ increase spending ONLY) and the right extremist (lower taxes / increase defense / cut everything else)

Obviously your approach is the most common sense and is done in the real world…… unfortunately DC and its 2 parties and followers don’t live in the real world.

OedipusTax

February 28th, 2013
9:47 am

Yes, a real yawner for Jay Bookman and other liberals. Don’t give a damn about future generations. Only care about massaging their own ego, spending other peoples’ money, and demanding more from government. All this, while the huge evil of today, borrowing from the future, is treated as a real yawner. Selfish liberalism, selfish socialism, is leading us to hell, while Jay Bookman yawns. Typical of what liberals think is compassion and love, while in reality, if the devil made a plan to destroy this country, Jay Bookman would yawn about that too.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 28th, 2013
9:48 am

alittlecommonsense — “I don’t get your point Hussein. Are you trying to say the Republican bill would not have stopped the sequester, or that it had things in it that you don’t think should have been there?”

My point is quite simple, which makes me wonder why you’re not getting it. Here, let me walk you through it.

1) Republicans propose ‘compromise’ legislation to halt the sequester and offer alternative package of cuts and tax changes.

2) Republicans lard up their ‘compromise’ legislation with bullspit provisions (e.g. malpractice award caps) that have nothing whatsoever to do with taxation, government spending OR the budget, but which will look good to their base and which will completely stink to Democrats.

3) Predictably, Democrats refuse to vote for tainted Republican ‘compromise’ legislation that wasn’t really a ‘compromise’ at all.

4) Republicans whine that Democrats, when offered a bite of the GOP Sh1t Sandwich, wouldn’t even take a bite.

5) Republican voters like you swallow the whole GOP narrative of “Republicans are at least doing something” when the entire Republican objective — from the outset — was simply to propose a ‘compromise’ package that was certain to fail and which wasn’t even a ‘compromise’ from the outset.

Does that make it more clear?

Next time, try leaving out the party-friendly red meat like the malpractice award caps (and I apply this to both sides) and see if you can cobble together more cooperation.

Simple Truths

February 28th, 2013
9:48 am

Donovan

February 28th, 2013
9:51 am

What happens when children are denied candy in a grocery store checkout line? They whine and cry about it. This is the same comparison with big spending Democrats and the likes of Luckovich.

You Democrats have no one else to blame but yourselves for the spending mess and the ramifications of such irresponsibility. Instead of throwing tantrums about being denied more candy, grow up and take the bitter pill of cost cutting. Your governing style once again has left you with disastrous results. Your national credit card is maxed out. Your spending habits are sinfully ruinous. Your over indulgence is morbid.

How are you represented in your crusade now? You have Jay Bookman propping up a water carrying DNC Luckovich illustrating the GOP as the bad guy trying to save this country and you have a Marxist president whose sequestration idea back firing on him.

Way to go libs. Keep spending and keep taxing.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 28th, 2013
9:51 am

alitlecommonsense, just so you know, the bill you referred to in your 9:36 doesn’t apply. Congressman Allen West proposed it, which meant that if it didn’t pass by the end of the LAST Congress, then it died. Your ‘at least they were doing something’ applies to *last* year, not this year.

All unpassed business left in either chamber expired on 3 JAN, when the new Congress was sworn in and seated. That includes West’s proposal.

DannyX

February 28th, 2013
9:52 am

“Poll: Obama Leads GOP In Public Opinion”

You know things are bad for the Republicans when they can’t even come up with one of their unskewed polls showing strong support for the Republican position.

I think I’ll be nice and help my Republican friends out. Maybe Drudge can pick it up.

BREAKING: Poll Finds Strong Support For Republican Sequester Plan.

Results from Republican Fantasy Polls

Question: Do you favor the plan from our commie/socialist evil President, or the plan from our freedom loving patriotic Republicans?

Favor Republican plan…88%
Favor Oblama’s plan…3%
Don’t know…9%

JohnnyReb

February 28th, 2013
9:52 am

So Fred, you consider yourself an independent. One of those people who don’t have the guts to plant themselves on one side or the other. You know, people that let the wind blow them around. People who are afraid of being criticized for their positions on things.

I suspect you are like a blue dog democrat – all BS when it comes to having any conservative roots.

Now, I suggest you ignore this post and not blow your top. Don’t want to get banned again. Besides, I have to do some work. I can’t stay on here all day like some.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 28th, 2013
9:54 am

J. Reb — “Fred, seems you believe someone guilty until proven innocent. I thought you were a Liberal?”

If you make an assertion, it’s incumbent upon *you* to prove that assertion when asked.

Here’s an example. I am the King of Neptune. I don’t have to prove it. Look it up if you don’t believe me, as I am not your research assistant.

See how that works?

St Simons - he-ne-ha

February 28th, 2013
9:55 am

2 out of 3 ‘merkuns correctly understand who is attempting to bring
down a govt, destroy an economy, commit economic terrorism,
to preserve a horribly spectacularly failed ideology.

and all the AM radio screeching in da world won’t change that mon.

Get used to that ratio, cons. Adapt, dinosaurs, etc..

Brosephus™ - Always bet on Black.

February 28th, 2013
9:56 am

Doggone: Well..they already abdicated on their responsibility to declare war, when W was President. So why NOT give away another Constitutional power?

You have a point there….

————–

Stevie Ray: Are you suggesting that BO simply sit tight and allow congress to handle so he can Monday morning quarter back in terms of his most successful blame game?

[...]

I get the impression (wrongly perhaps) that your footing holding Congress responsible for lack of leadership and functionality is paramount. I don’t disagree wholly but president holds veto power and can certainly step up and make the most of this opportunity he has to show public he is not completely DEM homer and is really interested in doing right by us. Lead a deal.

No, Obama should be leading the Executive Branch by ensuring that the legislation that Congress passed and he signed gets implemented to the letter of the law. By the Constitution, that is his job responsibility. I don’t care for all the theatrics and such, but that’s what politicians do.

The people with the power to stop this is Congress, not Obama. Obama shouldn’t have to lead Congress to take a dump. That’s not how our government is set up. You, and others who think that Obama needs to show leadership, need to go back and take Civics 101. Obama has nothing to do with Congress other than signing or vetoing legislation.

That’s my point, my opinion, and nothing or nobody will change it. I give a rat’s ass less who’s “fault” it is. There’s one corrective course spelled out by the Constitution. The ball is currently in the hands of the House. It’s all up to them how this turns out.

————–

JLK2: Use of “force” (an obama favorite) is not leadership. That’s the problem. He has zero people skills.

And logic flys right over your head. Obama has no authority in the Legislative Branch. How can one lead where one does not belong? Obama’s Constitutional authority is to lead the Executive Branch. Congress has their own established leadership. Why in the hell won’t they lead? Why in the hell won’t you and others bitch about them not leading?

Joe Hussein Mama

February 28th, 2013
9:56 am

A. Akimbo — “I wonder how many layoffs could be avoided if Obama were to stop the Navy requirement of buying $27 per gallon biodiesel in a $4 market? I guess it is more important to pursue the Energy dept.’s green program than to employ Americans.”

Imagine how much money the Air Force wasted in developing and buying stealth fighters and bombers when there were perfectly good non-stealth fighters and bombers already available.

:roll:

Doggone/GA

February 28th, 2013
9:56 am

“One of those people who don’t have the guts to plant themselves on one side or the other – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/02/28/yawn-yet-another-budget-crisis-looms/?cp=2#comment-1246127

Nope. Most intelligent people ARE “on one side of the other” … when a bill is good for the country they’re for it. When a bill is bad for the country they’re against it.

Please note: I said “bill” – NOT PARTY

Checking in after the dictator gets another 4 years

February 28th, 2013
9:58 am

Obama’s biggest problem. He hates the half of the country that didn’t vote for him ( feeling is mutual)………..But he needs their damn money……..all he can get. Watching this white house daily is borderline SNL skit material. Never seen blackmail so out in the open from an administration before. It’s normally done behind closed doors. It’s comical.

JohnnyReb

February 28th, 2013
9:59 am

Fred and JHM – I actually can’t post anything that proves the 40% receivng free cell phones don’t qualify. I heard it in the context of Rove’s suggestion on giving agency heads the authority to move money around and it was within that same post I stated it. It may or may not be factual, but more than one talking head has stated it. Yes, they are Right talking heads, but so am I.

DannyX

February 28th, 2013
9:59 am

“You Democrats have no one else to blame but yourselves for the spending mess and the ramifications of such irresponsibility.”

Hey Donovan, how do the Republicans plan on paying for their 2 unfunded wars? The unfunded socialist Medicare Part D drug plan? The unfunded Dept of Homeland Security? The massive post 9-11 defense spending increases? The earmark spending spree? All washed down with massive tax cuts.

Does the Republican sequester plan deal with theses issues?

Joe Hussein Mama

February 28th, 2013
10:00 am

Checking in — “Obama’s biggest problem. He hates the half of the country that didn’t vote for him ( feeling is mutual)………..”

Actually, the truth is that it’s Romney who hates those Americans who didn’t vote for him. We have it on tape.

And the notion that President Obama hates those who didn’t vote for him? I suspect your source for that is the voices in your head, when they’re not telling you to leap off tall buildings.

Aquagirl

February 28th, 2013
10:01 am

Besides, I have to do some work.

What kind of career pays so much for your expertise in passive-aggressive mincing? Harem Eunuch?

Checking in after the dictator gets another 4 years

February 28th, 2013
10:01 am

He’s printing 85 billion of worthless money a month, Just double it one month. Problem solved.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 28th, 2013
10:01 am

J. Reb — “Fred and JHM – I actually can’t post anything that proves”

(SNIP)

That’s right, you can’t.

weetamoe

February 28th, 2013
10:03 am

And the Obama (vote for revenge) bullying goes on. Gonna take my aircraft carrier and go home. Tell that mean old Bob Woodward we’ll *take care of him* if he keeps on reporting the facts .Lanny Davis (you have some very vicious people working for you Mr President) says *they threatened me, too. They do not like facts.* So what we see here from Luckovich is once again (*ooh some black kids sat next to my kids and we were so scared*) how pandering to power can eventually become cowardice.

Peadawg

February 28th, 2013
10:03 am

Fred ™
February 28th, 2013
9:44 am

VERY well said!

*polite gold clap*

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

February 28th, 2013
10:03 am

Joe Hussein Mama

February 28th, 2013
9:48 am

Excellent narration. Well done.

Checking in after the dictator gets another 4 years

February 28th, 2013
10:04 am

How did Woodward get off the reservation? He better look under his car before he starts it. State run media in shock as one of theirs goes rogue. Maybe some more will report the train wreck going on.

JohnnyReb

February 28th, 2013
10:04 am

Obama believes in radical black liberation theology and that redistribution will help fix all the wrongs he perceives to have been committed against blacks.

There is it, pure and simple. All one has to do is look at what he is doing. If he had inherieted a budget surplus, he would be pushing reparations.

Scooter

February 28th, 2013
10:05 am

Revenue increases were just granted after the President said there would be three dollars in cuts for every dollar of rev… tax increases. If I’m not mistaken, there were no corresponding spending cuts resulting from the tax increase. Now, he is offering two to one. Look, the man changed nothing in Chicago’s dirty political machine and seems to have brought it to the nation.

Oh yeah, I got poll that shows children don’t like to have their candy taken away. It even shows a majority of older more mature children still want to retain their candy.

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
10:05 am

So Fred, you consider yourself an independent. One of those people who don’t have the guts to plant themselves on one side or the other. You know, people that let the wind blow them around. People who are afraid of being criticized for their positions on things. – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/02/28/yawn-yet-another-budget-crisis-looms/?cp=2#comment-1246156

Ah so THAT is what you call having the ability to think for yourself, and not being a mindless FOXBOT, guts.

Just because I’m not so stupid as to let someone think for me I’m guttless? Really? How stupid is THAT? I mean you have made some really silly accusations in my time here, but that one beats them all. You mindlessly follow the lead dog in a party and see nothing but the smelly hole of the dog in front of you because you can’t think for yourself and I’M the gutless one? LOL I stand up for what is right. I make up my OWN mind on issues pal. I smell FRESH air, not passed gas.

I’m a wolf son, not a beaten pack dog. You revealed your weakness there more than any other time. You showed us all exactly WHY the scare tactics of talk radio work on the courage-challenged folks such as yourself. You be a pack animal pal, I’ll be ME.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW63lS9_MW4&list=PLAAB311D201999A9F&index=4

Joe Hussein Mama

February 28th, 2013
10:06 am

J. Reb — “Obama believes in radical black liberation theology”

Can a picture of the President with a bone in his nose be far behind? :roll:

JohnnyReb

February 28th, 2013
10:07 am

Aquagirl

February 28th, 2013
10:01 am

Besides, I have to do some work.

What kind of career pays so much for your expertise in passive-aggressive mincing? Harem Eunuch?
_______________

This little water girl is yet another example of you not knowing _hit from shinola.

I work for myself now, my second career with both being quite successful enough to put me in that group you so love to hate.

Redcoat

February 28th, 2013
10:07 am

and all those accounting tricks and redefining terms that goes on……….constant moving targets

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

February 28th, 2013
10:07 am

“SEQUESTERGATE”

What did the President propose and when did he propose it !

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
10:08 am

Thought you had to go “work” JReb. Lying AGAIN?

Checking in after the dictator gets another 4 years

February 28th, 2013
10:08 am

Detroit and Chicago…..Both a train wreck. Both run by Dems forever…….That’s your future America with that thinking and management. Not a con in site with their finger prints on those two places.

JohnnyReb

February 28th, 2013
10:09 am

Joe Hussein Mama

February 28th, 2013
10:06 am

J. Reb — “Obama believes in radical black liberation theology”

Can a picture of the President with a bone in his nose be far behind?

______

Not necessary. Anyone who has two grey cells to rub together knows it and that he spent 20 years firming it up listening to Jeremiah.

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
10:09 am

UNCLE SAMANTHA: I got ya. Unfortunately here it’s hard to tell what is said in satire and what is said in ignorance. I’m as guilty as everyone else of both lol.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

February 28th, 2013
10:10 am

Well, well ……….. what have we here this morning? Hey Jay, how about asking Luckovich to do a cartoon of Obama whispering threats into Woodward’s ear. That would be cute !!!

WATERGATE HERO MEETS CHICAGOL-THUG POLITICS

“Veteran journalist Bob Woodward is embroiled in an extraordinary public clash with the White House over his reporting on the sequester.

Woodward has been making the rounds to cable TV and print outlets accusing a “very senior person” in the administration of threatening him last week ahead of an op-ed he later published in the Washington Post attributing the idea for the automatic spending cuts to President Obama.

“It was said very clearly: ‘you will regret doing this,’” Woodward told CNN. “I’m not going to say [who], a very senior person. It makes me very uncomfortable to have the White House telling reporters you’re going to regret doing something you believe in.”

JohnnyReb

February 28th, 2013
10:11 am

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
10:08 am

Thought you had to go “work” JReb. Lying AGAIN?
_____________

No Fred, just stretching it. I do love you guys sooo much its difficult to break away.

Redcoat

February 28th, 2013
10:11 am

and such great stories they tell, just like Hollywood makes up……..

Checking in after the dictator gets another 4 years

February 28th, 2013
10:12 am

Woodard heard to be calling all the concrete companies in the DC area where their pours are happening as to avoid those places.

Lord Help Us

February 28th, 2013
10:12 am

‘Anyone who has two grey cells to rub together knows it and that he spent 20 years firming it up listening to Jeremiah.’

And…if you have more than two ‘grey cells to rub together’ you do not qualify as part of the GOP base…

AmericaShrugged

February 28th, 2013
10:12 am

70% will come from revenue increases, less loopholes and higher rates for the evil rich, their estates, and the evil corporations, and eliminating the cap on SS taxes. The other 30% comes from spending cuts, primarily defense spending. Sounds wonderful but I don’t see how the math works out. The projected totals are a $5.6T deficit reduction over ten year but we’re currently running about $12-13T over ten years and Medicare, Mediciad, and SS are projected to add many more trillions o the debt if benefits aren’t reduced.

St Simons - he-ne-ha

February 28th, 2013
10:13 am

ah, Joe’s here –
Joe, in your formidable statistician hat, do you think
it is possible to calculate the point (some data pt, Idk, maybe nat’l
approval rating) at which the Republicans can no longer gerrymander
themselves disproportionate false power? I read where some guy
anonymously named ‘gary’ at kos or somewhere was attempting
to find that point.
His thesis was, at that point the pahhty would cease to affect any
policy, and would disintegrate quickly thereafter.
Do you think it’s possible to find that number?

TaxPayer

February 28th, 2013
10:13 am

Stick with your unskewed polling results, cons. After all, they’ve served us so well up ’til now. Don’t change a thing. :lol:

weetamoe

February 28th, 2013
10:14 am

But of course two wars, medicare prescription, und so wieder, aber New York Times headlines:
2005-Sharp rise in tax revenue to pare US deficit
2006-Surprising jump in tax revenue is curbing deficit
I wonder if the congress that came to power at the beginning of 2007 had anything at all to do with the economy. Like, since it is not Obama’s fault, because it is the fault of congress… because but the republican house, not the democrat senate…. because Fox… because shut up.

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
10:15 am

No Fred, just stretching it. I do love you guys sooo much its difficult to break away.

Ah that’s so sweet. We have a soft spot for you as well……………. :mrgreen:

williebkind

February 28th, 2013
10:15 am

“No, Obama should be leading the Executive Branch by ensuring that the legislation that Congress passed and he signed gets implemented to the letter of the law.”

WAIT! HOLD IT! Did not THE KING tell the DOJ not to enforce the immigration laws? Obama the King has picks and chooses to enforce the laws that he wants and thinks American should follow–to hell with that pesky little constitution.

Brosephus™ - Always bet on Black.

February 28th, 2013
10:16 am

Obama believes in radical black liberation theology and that redistribution will help fix all the wrongs he perceives to have been committed against blacks.

“When you have to lie to make a point, you don’t have a point to make.”
–Doggone Jefferson

“When you’re going to make sh*t up, there’s no need to be half-assed about it.”
–Kamchak Jefferson

:roll:

Checking in after the dictator gets another 4 years

February 28th, 2013
10:16 am

After 4 years and a few weeks……………We learn Obama IS a thug

kayaker 71

February 28th, 2013
10:17 am

So, now the Bozo propaganda machine is again trying to blame Republicans for what was an original Bozo idea…… the sequestor. He initially said, that he would veto any legislation that would stand in its way then flip flopped and said that he would not support it. Democrats want additional taxes added to the mix, Republicans do not. We are not spending any less this year than last, eventually more. This sequestor is just a bunch of smoke and mirrors where money gets shuffled around between one source and another and through a bit of creative accounting, the mix returns to normal, minus the bullsh*t, However, Bozo can’t lose an opportunity to try to make the Republicans the goat in all of this. Republicans want dirty air and dirty water. Republicans don’t like women. Republicans want to take away your Medicare and Social Security. It never ends. Never pass up a crisis. Use it for all it is worth.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 28th, 2013
10:17 am

J. Reb — “Not necessary. Anyone who has two grey cells to rub together knows it”

Just FYI, “anyone knows it” isn’t proof of anything. Then again, with your failure to apprehend what actually constitutes ‘proving’ something, your lame reply isn’t surprising.

“and that he spent 20 years firming it up listening to Jeremiah.”

Oh, yes, the standard GOP calculus; to wit Associating with Objectionable Person X leads inexorably to 100% Agreement with Objectionable Person X’s Distasteful Opinion Y, meaning that if you hang out with someone cons don’t like, you automatically must agree with everything negative that person ever said or did.

You know, J. Reb, Operant Conditioning predicts this sort of behavior from cons. If you teach a rat to press a lever for food pellets and then take the food away, the rat will *increase* the frequency of its lever-pressing behavior.

At this point, y’all still haven’t figured out that the food pellets stopped coming sometime around the summer of 2008.

Redcoat

February 28th, 2013
10:17 am

Democrats/Liberals have no interest in what Bob Woodward is saying……….

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
10:18 am

Checking in after the dictator gets another 4 years

February 28th, 2013
10:16 am

After 4 years and a few weeks……………We learn Obama IS a thug
+++++++++++++++++++++++++

Wow and it only took us 1 post to know you were a jackass little bit truth challenged………..

Brosephus™ - Always bet on Black.

February 28th, 2013
10:19 am

JHM

You know that when Obama moved into the White House, he had all the presidential portraits put in storage and put up posters of the Original Black Panther Party, Public Enemy, Boogie Down Productions, X-Clan, and all that other radical “Black” stuff.

:)

Doggone/GA

February 28th, 2013
10:19 am

‘Anyone who has two grey cells to rub together knows it and that he spent 20 years firming it up listening to Jeremiah.’ – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/02/28/yawn-yet-another-budget-crisis-looms/?cp=2#comment-1246169

But fortunately, most of us have MORE than 2 brain cells AND know how to use them.

Checking in after the dictator gets another 4 years

February 28th, 2013
10:19 am

How much extra cash into the treasury did the payroll tax break expiring dump into Washington? How many hundreds of millions?

JamVet

February 28th, 2013
10:20 am

Luckovich nailed you Republicans today!

WHY do you hate Uncle Sam? And when did this cancer matastasize in you neocons?

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

February 28th, 2013
10:20 am

An interesting read…

First Thoughts: How we got here

With the clock ticking until the sequester cuts, explaining how we got here… Failed assumptions, failed Grand Bargains… Boehner to appear on “Meet”… When does the sequester take effect? Answer: Anytime before 11:59 pm ET on March 1… Senate confirms Lew as Treasury secretary, while John Brennan gets bumped to next week… And why Iowa is so important to 2014.
By Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, Domenico Montanaro, and Brooke Brower

*** How we got here: With Washington headed — inexorably — to Friday’s deadline when the automatic across-the-board spending cuts take effect, there’s a natural question to ask: How did we get here and why didn’t the sequester work as intended? Well, here’s our quick answer: First, Republicans, fueled by the Tea Party and their gains in the 2010 midterms on a message of cutting back the size of government, demanded that they would raise the debt limit only accompanied by equal spending cuts. (Prior to that, debt-ceiling increases had been fairly routine exercises for all past administrations.) Second, after agreeing to some spending cuts, the Obama White House and congressional Republicans couldn’t agree how to reduce the deficit by an additional $1.2 trillion over 10 years (to raise the debt limit by that much because the White House wanted to avoid another debt-ceiling showdown before Nov. 2012), so they created the sequester. That mechanism ($600 billion cuts in defense spending cuts that Republicans weren’t supposed to like; $600 billion in non-defense spending cuts that Democrats weren’t supposed to like) was intended to be so draconian that it would force the two parties to make a deal. As we know, it was the brainchild of Jack Lew, a veteran of the budget wars of the ‘80s, the first time the word “sequester” entered the Washington lexicon.
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*** Failed assumptions, failed Grand Bargains: Third, the assumption that the cuts would force a compromise turned out to be incorrect. Whether it was during the Super Committee, the fiscal-cliff negotiations, or now, those spending cuts — especially on defense — weren’t enough to strike a deal. As it turns out, the deficit-hawk wing of the GOP got only larger in both the House and Senate. Fourth, all attempts for a Grand Bargain failed: In 2011, both sides retreated to let the election decide the fiscal fight. And at the end of 2012, they dealt only with the expiring Bush-era tax cuts (and not the sequester or increasing the debt ceiling again). Fifth and finally, that fiscal-cliff deal on the Bush tax cuts created a TREMENDOUS amount of intra-party blowback for House Speaker John Boehner, which only made resolving this sequester standoff even more difficult. (After all, remember that it wasn’t too long ago when the big discussion in DC was whether Boehner would lose his speakership.) And just as importantly, folks like Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and Sen. John Cornyn — who are both up for re-election next year and both have colleagues from their states who have become Tea Party stars (Rand Paul, Ted Cruz) – are probably more reluctant to make a deal than ever before. Bottom line: The Senate escape hatch that saved the day during the fiscal-cliff fight isn’t there right now.

*** Sequester is here to stay: So ultimately, the big miscalculation on the White House’s part on sequester was that defense spending would be a forcing mechanism. It is not and will not be. And, as things stand right now, they are wrong to believe the Republicans are going to break like they did at end of 2012. The law was on the president’s ideological side at the end of 2012. That’s why the GOP broke on taxes. In this case, the law is on the Republicans’ ideological side. It is easier for them to defend the sequester at home because they can say, “We said we’d cut spending and the size of government, the president tried to stop us but we wouldn’t let him.” A bad spending cut for many Republicans is easier to defend than any supposed fair tax hike on anyone. So if the White House really wants to stop the sequester, they might have to come up with their own set of $85 billion in spending cuts for this year to replace it. In this political environment, there is no way Boehner, McConnell and Cornyn can politically survive doing anything short of that. The president can still get more revenue down the road on tax reform, but he may have to fold on sequester if he wants a chance at winning in the long run. But that’s also a hard thing to ask a president who just won re-election on this very issue.

getalife

February 28th, 2013
10:20 am

Good for Mike for documenting the unhinged behavior from the right.

Now the cons are cheering on woodward from the lame street media that took out their hero nixon.

Steve

February 28th, 2013
10:20 am

Sometimes when I read through these threads (I must be insane to do this) I wonder if this what a Klan meeting is like, with a few sane people thrown in for countermeasure.

You people are not grounded in reality. The GOP is going to get thrashed for this, and the polls show it.

But wait – YOU were dead sure Romney would clean Obama’s clock in the election. I read it here over and over and over…

Joe Hussein Mama

February 28th, 2013
10:20 am

SSI — “His thesis was, at that point the pahhty would cease to affect any
policy, and would disintegrate quickly thereafter.
Do you think it’s possible to find that number?”

I think that’s a bit beyond my capabilities, but I did read recently that Iowa seems to have a very good mechanism for preventing gerrymandering. Have a look.

http://www.timesunion.com/opinion/article/Gerrymandering-Not-in-Iowa-1336319.php

Granny Godzilla

February 28th, 2013
10:21 am

Black Liberation Theology a problem for some?

sounds to me like the only folks who would have a problem with that

are folks who think blacks should never have been given liberty.

Wowee Wow Wowser.

Doggone/GA

February 28th, 2013
10:22 am

“at which the Republicans can no longer gerrymander themselves disproportionate false power? – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/02/28/yawn-yet-another-budget-crisis-looms/?cp=2#comment-1246211

Be interesting to know. But if they alienate enough of the moderate Repulicans, on whose votes they still depend, even their “safe” districts might become not so safe anymore.

Brosephus™ - Always bet on Black.

February 28th, 2013
10:24 am

Granny

Everytime I hear someone bring up that Black Liberation stuff, I think of this one here…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZaVA3NS7zE

Steve

February 28th, 2013
10:24 am

ahem – But wait – YOU were dead sure Romney would clean Obama’s clock in the election. I read it here over and over and over…

Checking in after the dictator gets another 4 years

February 28th, 2013
10:24 am

The “master” plan after the election was that they felt they had the republicans on the ropes and the plan is to block everything ( other than tax increases) and use the power of the press to blame everything on the GOP congress and watch their ratings to continue to drop. I’ll admit, it’s a beauty and working……But reality may hit the road one day soon……And Americans will look at current management eventually.

A dad

February 28th, 2013
10:24 am

What does everyone think about the WH emailed Bob Woodard he’s “regret”publishing an article that BO was including a tax raise in his sequester “negotiations”where no such raise was included before. 2d Amendment under attack and now looks like the 1st Amendment only applies if you say something this administration likes. Anyone else smelling the coffee?

kayaker 71

February 28th, 2013
10:24 am

Joe, 10:17,

Most everyone is known by the company they keep. If you hang around with thugs, you usually become one. Bozo and Bozoette sat and listened to this Black Liberation clown for 20 yrs for some reason. Usually, if you don’t like what someone is saying in the pulpit, you find another pulpit to listen to. You don’t have him marry you and baptize your kids if you have that many disagreements with what he believes in.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 28th, 2013
10:25 am

Brosephus — “JHM

You know that when Obama moved into the White House, he had all the presidential portraits put in storage and put up posters of the Original Black Panther Party, Public Enemy, Boogie Down Productions, X-Clan, and all that other radical “Black” stuff.”

I hear he replaced the portraits of previous Presidents in the West Wing with oil paintings of the members of the Wu-Tang Clan. And he’s got a gilded statue of Ol’ Dirty B@st@rd in one of the upstairs hallways.

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
10:25 am

Brocephus: Don’t forget about the pic of 2Pak and the repeating soundtrack………

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=610vDBi3LgA

Arms Akimbo

February 28th, 2013
10:25 am

Seven things that cost the same as the Sequester:
1) The cost to bailout AIG.
2) 17% of what Americans spent on gas in 2012
3) $10 B LESS than Americans spent on beer in 2011
4) The defense budget in 1975
5) Twice the amount spent on the Beijing olympics
6) The total cost of improper payments from Medicare every two years.
7) 13% of what Americans spent on groceries last year.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

February 28th, 2013
10:26 am

EVEN BOB WOODWARD DEALS WITH CRAZY LIBERALS………

Journalist Bob Woodward Clashes With White House Over Sequester Report

http://news.yahoo.com/journalist-bob-woodward-clashes-white-073806745.html

====================================================================

MICHAEL SAVAGE WAS RIGHT! LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER

http://www.amazon.com/Liberalism-Mental-Disorder-Savage-Solutions/dp/1595550437

jhunt163

February 28th, 2013
10:27 am

Jay “Then how do you explain this chart, Parrot”

Jay isn’t 2010 when the spending baseline increased by $834 billion dollars? Of course it is going to stay flat after that.

TaxPayer

February 28th, 2013
10:27 am

It’s really sad watching these cons falling down a bottomless pit while continuing to proclaim that victory is theirs any moment now. :roll:

alex

February 28th, 2013
10:27 am

Yawn is right, the problem is we have NO leadership on right or left,The problem is we have 1 poll, “Business insider” and Jay makes claims based on 1 poll, next poll will be???. Consider regression to mean, consider what YOU said that Silver recognized that multiple polls are required to actually get a signal. But, NO the lazy left or right will blame the other side, no matter how flimsy is the evidence…Jay your severly biased AND lazy, which is getting to be more of a problem, pick your game up or I AM OUT OF HERE (dissappointed–no?) … Granny, you’ll miss me

Yawn is right, all of Obamas histrionics are ridiculous, the Budget talks in 3 weeks will supercede this dustup. Time to get serious in Washington..

Welcome back Fred, ….

Simple Truths

February 28th, 2013
10:28 am

Arms @ 10:25

Seven things that cost the same as the Sequester:
1) The cost to bailout AIG.
2) 17% of what Americans spent on gas in 2012
3) $10 B LESS than Americans spent on beer in 2011
4) The defense budget in 1975
5) Twice the amount spent on the Beijing olympics
6) The total cost of improper payments from Medicare every two years.
7) 13% of what Americans spent on groceries last year. – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/02/28/yawn-yet-another-budget-crisis-looms/?cp=all#comment-1246228

Shhh! Don’t tell Redneck about #3.

Brosephus™ - Always bet on Black.

February 28th, 2013
10:28 am

But if they alienate enough of the moderate Repulicans, on whose votes they still depend, even their “safe” districts might become not so safe anymore.

As long as those moderate Republicans still associate with the party, I think they’re safe. Only when those moderates get the fortitude to say enough is enough and depart from the crazy will things start to change. At the same time, there has to be a 2nd candidate that is a sane and obvious choice, whether it’s in the primary or a Democratic candidate in the general election.

Welcome to the Occupation

February 28th, 2013
10:29 am

Heyward : “GAULT…………….baby …………GAULT.”

Don’t you have spellcheck on that thing? :)

williebkind

February 28th, 2013
10:29 am

“WHY do you hate Uncle Sam? And when did this cancer matastasize in you neocons?”

We hate Uncle Same? We love the constitution and our countries traditions. It is you progressive liberals since 1912 that have tried to make the constittution a living document so you change it everytime you get an errection.

Granny Godzilla

February 28th, 2013
10:29 am

a dad

I think Woodward will regret the error in his reporting..
Grown ups regret making errors.

Of course, if one was a paranoid freak, one might think
it but him on that old white house enemies list that had folks
on like Paul Newman and Barbra….

Oh wait He was on Nixon’s enemies list!

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
10:29 am

I see what Herman was preaching the last half hour. We now have our THIRD recent reference to Bob Woodward.

Of course we discussed that downstairs in the 7 oclock hour……… but these folks hadn’t woke up from their nightly drunk yet………..

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

February 28th, 2013
10:30 am

Kayaker,

Is that all you have? Rev. Wright again? When all else fails bring out the Reverend. Oh yeah, THAT’LL divert ‘em… Good Gawd! What a hoot.

Granny Godzilla

February 28th, 2013
10:30 am

kayaker 71

February 28th, 2013
10:24 am

Joe, 10:17,

Most everyone is known by the company they keep. If you hang around with thugs, you usually become one. Bozo and Bozoette sat and listened to this Black Liberation clown for 20 yrs for some reason. Usually, if you don’t like what someone is saying in the pulpit, you find another pulpit to listen to. You don’t have him marry you and baptize your kids if you have that many disagreements with what he believes in.

.
.
.
.
DO YOU THINK BLACKS SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN GIVEN LIBERTY?

Bob

February 28th, 2013
10:30 am

Doggone/GA

February 28th, 2013
9:09 am

“Doggone @ 9:02 – I think he’s talking about this”
And never mind that it CLEARLY STATES in the VERY FIRST sentence that the bill was NOT submitted by Obama. “A budget resolution based on President Obama’s 2013 budget failed to get any votes in the Senate on Wednesday”
Doggone, are you really that gullible ? They were executive office budget proposals and they received zero democrat votes, why does Harry Reid want Obama to fail. ? If you want to say they were not Obama’s proposals then show us his budget proposals and show us how many dems voted for HIS proposals. You either have to agree that the proposals were from the exec office or show us the ones they did submit. Also, if thse proposals were not from the admin and were not from the house, who submitted them for a senate vote, the girl scouts ?

Brosephus™ - Always bet on Black.

February 28th, 2013
10:31 am

JHM & Fred

I’m glad I haven’t fixed my coffee yet. I’d be wiping down my monitor right about now.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I completely forgot about Pac and the Wu… Fred, you’re gonna have me listening to that all day now.

:)

Steve

February 28th, 2013
10:31 am

But but but …polls are skewed toward libruls!!

Joe Hussein Mama

February 28th, 2013
10:31 am

K71 — “Most everyone is known by the company they keep. If you hang around with thugs, you usually become one.”

Ever seen that picture of Don Rumsfeld shaking Saddam Hussein’s hand?

“Bozo and Bozoette sat and listened to this Black Liberation clown for 20 yrs for some reason. Usually, if you don’t like what someone is saying in the pulpit, you find another pulpit to listen to. You don’t have him marry you and baptize your kids if you have that many disagreements with what he believes in.”

Thank you for agreeing with what I said earlier. Cons think that being around someone long enough means that you completely agree with everything they ever said, did, thought or wrote.

Jefferson

February 28th, 2013
10:31 am

Reasonable people can come to reasonable conclusions under reasonable conditions unless you are a republican.

appleseed

February 28th, 2013
10:31 am

How do you want that cute cartoon? Mouth to ear,cheek to cheek.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

February 28th, 2013
10:32 am

“Luckovich nailed you Republicans today!”

Woodward nailed you Democrats today!

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
10:32 am

We love the constitution and our countries traditions. It is you progressive liberals since 1912 that have tried to make the constittution a living document so you change it everytime you get an errection.

Really? Explain to me exactly how President Bush’s Patriot act fits in with the US Constitution?
Guantanamo? Water Boarding?

I’ll wait.

Matt321

February 28th, 2013
10:32 am

Crazy world we live in, where the delusional fever dreams of right wing lunatic bloggers and radio gasbags (Obama’s a secret Kenyan Marxist) are treated seriously by the media and given endless screen time (we have to fix the deficit now or it will kill us!) but the solid proposals of the House Progressive Caucus (the largest Democratic caucus) are completely ignored. Forget about anything to the left of the Progressive Caucus (a real left wouldn’t be making any austerity plan right now, for example).

Granny Godzilla

February 28th, 2013
10:33 am

Mr. Digits

Nope, Woodward erred.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 28th, 2013
10:33 am

williebkind — “We hate Uncle Same? We love the constitution and our countries traditions. It is you progressive liberals since 1912 that have tried to make the constittution a living document”

Dude, the Founders *themselves* put ten Amendments in before the country was even 20 years old. There’s your proof positive that even the Founders considered the Consititution a living document.

If they didn’t want it to be changeable, then they wouldn’t have written an amendment procedure right into it. :roll:

St Simons - he-ne-ha

February 28th, 2013
10:34 am

Joe – I read it, I like the bias removal, like we do at USDA & UGA !
very appealing, but I couldn’t get my head around how he would find
that number with reliability, either.

Dog – I think the Republicans might find that number faster than we can
heheh

Brosephus™ - Always bet on Black.

February 28th, 2013
10:34 am

Fred and JHM

I bet you didn’t know Obama had one of these on the desk in the Oval Office to get his drink on…

http://peacemoonbeam.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451af9f69e2010535b3c5d9970b-320wi

All true pimps have their own pimp cup, but there’s only one pimp cup that has the eagle on it.

:lol:

alex

February 28th, 2013
10:35 am

@ a dad, personally, I think Woodward has been exceedingly full of himself since watergate and he has had some incredible contacts with the WH, how do you think he has those contacts? Just a dust up, all WHs’ want to control the press, this one just continues the trend. That’s my take. Whiney BW and whiney WH, YAWN-more of the same…kiss and make up—

Joe Hussein Mama

February 28th, 2013
10:36 am

Brosephus — “I completely forgot about Pac and the Wu… Fred, you’re gonna have me listening to that all day now.”

I heard that if the GOP wouldn’t go for Kerry and Hagel for State and Defense, that the President was going to nominate U-God and Inspectah Deck. :D

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
10:36 am

LOL Brocephus, I was going to post a sample of lyrics from that song but I had to X so many words out it made no sense………. I couldn’t express myself, can you EXPRESS YOURSELF:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmoC5cj8sw4

(I’d like to thank the Grand Theft Auto series and the US Army for my Rap knowledge).

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

February 28th, 2013
10:36 am

Hey Jay:

What did Luckovich say about doing a cartoon of Obama whispering threats in Woodward’s ear ?

stands for decibels - Race Traitor!

February 28th, 2013
10:36 am

Second, (as I recall understanding it) some of the loopholes for the “rich” targeted by the Progreessive Caucus impact charitable giving and the mortgage interest deduction.

I don’t like the former all that much, but I would need to see some kind of legitimate economic analysis that shows these organizations would take much of a hit if the deductability for such things were capped in such a way to only affect, say, the upper 5% or so of incomes (and the cap were pegged to inflation) My suspicion is that they wouldn’t—I think when you get to a certain lofty level of philanthropy, it’s more to do with ego and, yes, actual values, than filthy lucre.

If the real concern is that poor/afflicted folks served by these charities might feel the sting, how’s about raising everyone’s wages to a living one? How about providing better funding for Medicaid? How about LOWERING the eligibility for Medicare, if we can’t have single payer? How about operating like a civilized industrialized country instead of some loose gathering of backwoods hicks? but I digress.

Union

February 28th, 2013
10:36 am

Granny Godzilla
February 28th, 2013
10:33 am
Mr. Digits
Nope, Woodward erred.

“White House officials have downplayed Woodward’s account, saying that no threats were intended and that the original impetus for the email to Woodward was to apologize for an earlier heated phone conversation. And while the administration does not directly dispute Woodward’s reporting, officials believe he is focusing on a moot point.”

gg.. dont know how to bold and all that.. and i am sure i am behind.. but two things stick out.. one that the wh took the position that they were not disputing what he said.. just didnt like what he said.. and apparently when you tell someone you are going to “regret” what you said.. its not meant as a veiled threat when it comes from the wh..

Brosephus™ - Always bet on Black.

February 28th, 2013
10:37 am

JHM: Thank you for agreeing with what I said earlier. Cons think that being around someone long enough means that you completely agree with everything they ever said, did, thought or wrote.

That’s what happens when YOU do that very thing. You assume that everyone else does it because you do.

stands for decibels - Race Traitor!

February 28th, 2013
10:37 am

Digits, what are you, Bob Woodward’s mom?

He’s a big boy. He can cry for himself.

Welcome to the Occupation

February 28th, 2013
10:38 am

Believe me, Jay, we’re yawning with you.

/yawn

getalife

February 28th, 2013
10:38 am

woodward is washed up.

“‘GROWTH’: 0.1%…”:

Bad time for cuts but the gop does not care about your jobs.

The gop are job killers.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

February 28th, 2013
10:38 am

Obama: “I am not a crook !”

Bob

February 28th, 2013
10:38 am

Granny Godzilla,
kayaker 71
Most everyone is known by the company they keep. If you hang around with thugs, you usually become one. Bozo and Bozoette sat and listened to this Black Liberation clown for 20 yrs for some reason. Usually, if you don’t like what someone is saying in the pulpit, you find another pulpit to listen to. You don’t have him marry you and baptize your kids if you have that many disagreements with what he believes in. .
.
DO YOU THINK BLACKS SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN GIVEN LIBERTY
This statement shows grannys mentality, somone bashes Obama for lying about following rev Wright and leftist granny claims Kayaker does not want liberty for blacks, priceless and clueless in one statement ! Granny, if this was about liberty why did Obama run from Wright instead of embracing him in the name of liberty ? Obama told us he did not believe what Wright was spewing after the subject came up, siad he missed those sundays, maybe neither Obama and Kayaker do not want liberty for blacks since Obama told us that Wright was wrong.

Rightwing Troll

February 28th, 2013
10:39 am

Whats truly ironic is the fact that when you step back and look, more of the wingnuts here mewing on a daily basis get gubbimint checks than do the lib ilks… A large portion of the resident winguts are in fact 47%ers , yet they constantly lie and whine about some mythical part of society that doesn’t work and pays no taxes…

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

February 28th, 2013
10:39 am

Union:

Careful now or you will get threats from the liberals on “here” !

Union

February 28th, 2013
10:39 am

Brosephus™ – Always bet on Black.
February 28th, 2013
10:34 am

i heard this was in the presidential limo.. :)

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l254/lowrider25/ForSaleairfresheners001.jpg

alittlecommonsense

February 28th, 2013
10:40 am

Hussein “Does that make it more clear?

Next time, try leaving out the party-friendly red meat like the malpractice award caps (and I apply this to both sides) and see if you can cobble together more cooperation.”

Yes it does make it more clear. If you think the Republicans put out a bad bill then that may be a reasonable position. I haven’t read the bill. I doubt anyone on this blog has.

My point wasn’t that the Republican bill was great. My point is that the Republicans put out a bill. The Democrats have just put out rhetoric. If they are really serious they will pass a bill. Or at least introduce one – not just make speeches.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 28th, 2013
10:40 am

Brosephus — “All true pimps have their own pimp cup, but there’s only one pimp cup that has the eagle on it.”

Have you seen Key & Peele on Comedy Channel? One of them does a great President Obama.

Scene: urban streetcorner, with several young black men having an impromptu rap competition. They’re rapping about their street cred, how tough they are, how many women they get, etc.

While they’re rapping, a black limo pulls up and a distinguished looking black man in a suit gets out. It’s President Obama, and the rappers fall silent in surprise.

Without a word, the President holds out his hand for the mike, and is given it.

He says, into the mike, “I’m the leader of the free world.”

Then he wordlessly drops the mike on the sidewalk, gets back in his limo and leaves. :D

mm

February 28th, 2013
10:41 am

This is a never ending cycle. Republicans break the bank when they are in power, and claim “deficits don’t matter”.

Then when Democrats are in power, the cons scream about the deficits they created. We’re still paying for the sh*tty policies the cons put in place under George of the Bungle.

Granny Godzilla

February 28th, 2013
10:41 am

Union

I don’t really care about a tinkling contest between 2 polticos too much…

Woodwards original report, what started this tempest in a teapot, was wrong.

key words “deficit reduction”

Regret….I believe Bob will “regret” having been wrong in the first place.

I’m quite comfortable that it has nothing to do with black ops…..

Welcome to the Occupation

February 28th, 2013
10:42 am

stands: “I think when you get to a certain lofty level of philanthropy, it’s more to do with ego and, yes, actual values, than filthy lucre ”

That, and IDEOLOGY. (See Bill Gates)

Which ideology? The ideology of charity itself, namely.

Union

February 28th, 2013
10:43 am

gg.. didnt think the helicopters were going to swarm in.. :)

Joe Hussein Mama

February 28th, 2013
10:44 am

SSI — “I couldn’t get my head around how he would find
that number with reliability, either.”

We’ve seen *horrible* transient numbers even for highly-placed Republicans (I think Cheney once sported an 11% approval), but it’s not just the number itself — it’s the *timing* of the number relative to an election in which the person stands to lose their office. So even though Bush the Elder topped 90% right after Desert Storm, that number didn’t guarantee his reelection just as Cheney’s 11% didn’t guarantee anything.

bucket

February 28th, 2013
10:45 am

I wish I could be Bookman and just blame all the people I disagree with for all the problems in the world! But alas, some of us have to live in the real world. I guess Bookman doesn’t read his own paper’s stories:

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/national-govt-politics/white-house-tells-woodward-hell-regret-criticism/nWcYs/

Steve

February 28th, 2013
10:45 am

How does it feel to be a marginalized group of people, now, Cons? Seriously – you need to realize that your views are tinfoil hat/unabomber.

straitroad

February 28th, 2013
10:46 am

The federal budget will be larger next year than this year, even with a paltry two percent cut and in the opinion of the author, this constitutes “gutting”.

Tealiban Party

February 28th, 2013
10:46 am

JKL2
February 28th, 2013
8:34 am
Your too stupid…..

Haha! Sometimes insults have an opposite effect…. Haha!

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
10:46 am

Granny Godzilla

February 28th, 2013
10:46 am

Bob

Did I claim K71 didn’t want liberty for blacks or did I ask if he did or not?

Bottom line….

What is the problem with problem with Black Liberation Theology?

Are you willing to condemn it because you heard 20 seconds of one sermon?

Latrina

February 28th, 2013
10:46 am

I had barely recovered from the Rapture and the Mayan Calendar when that physical cliff thing came along which I am still upset about, so please Jay do not lay another crisis on us right now.

Union

February 28th, 2013
10:46 am

sequester already… gas will be at 4 dollars.. taxes are hitting the middle class.. its tough all over.. but as long as people can be distracted by all of this nonsense.. then they wont think about it.

Granny Godzilla

February 28th, 2013
10:47 am

Union

Didn’t mean to imply you did.

Brosephus™ - Always bet on Black.

February 28th, 2013
10:48 am

JHM: I heard that if the GOP wouldn’t go for Kerry and Hagel for State and Defense, that the President was going to nominate U-God and Inspectah Deck. :)

I heard through the grapevine that if the GOP filibusters the Interior pick, he’s going with Snoop Dog. He mentions something about Snoop’s love for trees…. :)

————–

Fred

Found Obama’s new photo and video with his Cabinet…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6twy639dNA0

Brosephus™ - Always bet on Black.

February 28th, 2013
10:50 am

Union @ 10:39

I haven’t seen those in ages!!!!! That’s a good one!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Doggone/GA

February 28th, 2013
10:51 am

“Only when those moderates get the fortitude to say enough is enough and depart from the crazy will things start to change – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/02/28/yawn-yet-another-budget-crisis-looms/?cp=3#sthash.fJDXhaoR.dpuf

that’s pretty much what I said, isn’t it? If they alientate enough of those moderate Republicans…they might find their “safe” districts not so safe anymore.

barking frog

February 28th, 2013
10:51 am

A crisis manufactured by both sides. Let them live with
their creation and reap the consequences.

alex

February 28th, 2013
10:51 am

Enter your comments here

Regnad Kcin

February 28th, 2013
10:51 am

“Regret….I believe Bob will “regret” having been wrong in the first place.

I’m quite comfortable that it has nothing to do with black ops…..”
===========

But Cain said “regret” means “I’m gonna git U sucka!”

Doggone/GA

February 28th, 2013
10:52 am

“They were executive office budget proposals and they received zero democrat votes, why does Harry Reid want Obama to fail – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/02/28/yawn-yet-another-budget-crisis-looms/?cp=3#comment-1246288

They were not submitted by Obama. They are not Obama’s budget proposals. Are YOU really that gullible?

Granny Godzilla

February 28th, 2013
10:53 am

Regnad

What can we say? He also sold icky pizza.

Get Real

February 28th, 2013
10:54 am

Luckovich has and always will be a complete and total douche…perhaps he and Jay are secret pals..

alex

February 28th, 2013
10:54 am

@ bark, unfortunately we, as a country, are saddled with their inadequacies…

Peadawg

February 28th, 2013
10:55 am

“Let them live with their creation and reap the consequences.”

The problem w/ that line of thinking is that politicians likely won’t feel a thing.

Granny Godzilla

February 28th, 2013
10:55 am

Did somebody really for for the nobody voted for the Obama bydget stunt AGAIN?

snicker

Granny Godzilla

February 28th, 2013
10:55 am

Get Real

Douche?

He’s clean, sanitary and smells fresh?

wahoo

February 28th, 2013
10:56 am

stands:

Thank you for your response. What I found somewhat interesting is that the Progressive Caucus, at least based on the examples I cited, seemed to be more interested in raising taxes on the wealthy than in reducing defense spending. I personally was surprised by that – I would have pegged their priority to be more on defense spending.

I can tell you from my own experience that since my taxes have gone up this year I am planning to reduce my charitable giving. I don’t do this out of spite, but more rather to reflect the added challenges of realizing the financial goals I have for my family. I don’t know how many others will fall into this camp, but it wouldn’t surprise me if there were others who are like-minded.

I would oppose “raising everyone’s wages to a living one”, as you state it. It would be near impossible to define. I also think you’ll find it is inflationary, and more likely to reduce employment, especially for individuals with limited or no concrete job skills. On the minimum wage topic that is implicit in any living wage discussion, I prefer a lower minimum wage that enables middle school and high school kids to get jobs and learn the experience of being in the labor force. As for some of your other suggestions, those are more likely to expand the deficit rather than reduce it. Just because sovereign borrowing rates are low today does not mean we should avail ourselves of it, nor should we assume that sovereign borrowing costs will always remain low into the future. Given what debt:GDP is forecasted to be in approximately ten years by the CBO, we need to be bringing the deficit down. We need our debt to be growing at less than GDP is growing in order to be freeing up debt capacity at the sovereign level to deal with the future borrowings that we expect to have from our large transfer programs.

Brosephus™ - Always bet on Black.

February 28th, 2013
10:58 am

Fred

I had not seen that one before. MAD TV had some funny skits!!!

barking frog

February 28th, 2013
10:58 am

Peadawg
When the people hurt, politics changes. Remember
Clinton feeling your pain?

Towncrier

February 28th, 2013
10:58 am

More of the same politburo propaganda, it seems. It would be nice to see Jay address problems with the “regime” sometimes, such as its clear hypocrisy on things such as 1) using drones against American citizens and alleged terrorists without any apparent oversight and Obama’s condemnation of water boarding by the Bush administration 2) Obama in 2007-8 likening borrowing by the Bush administration to fund the war to using “a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children” and calling it “unpatriotic” 3) campaigning on the promise of transparency and then apparently trying to control the mainstream media narrative in a number of ways, as we have seen with Woodward and others:

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/02/woodward-at-war-88212.html?hp=t1_3

http://www.wmal.com/common/page.php?pt=WMAL+EXCLUSIVE%3A+Woodward%27s+Not+Alone+-+Fmr.+Clinton+Aide+Davis+Says+He+Received+White+House+Threat&id=8924&is_corp=0

One could go on, but why bother here? All apparently is well in the state of Denmark in Jay’s eyes.

williebkind

February 28th, 2013
10:59 am

“Really? Explain to me exactly how President Bush’s Patriot act fits in with the US Constitution?
Guantanamo? Water Boarding?”

There we go again with liberal reading comprhension! I could respond with the already stated positions the government has in time of war and peace. But like Pierce Morgan you will go into filibuster because it is your passion.

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
10:59 am

Just damn GG. That was hilarious. But of course Get Real is an expert on the douche. He even made a video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20Xd6QOajuo

barking frog

February 28th, 2013
10:59 am

alex
a saddle we placed on ourselves and can remove at will….

Brosephus™ - Always bet on Black.

February 28th, 2013
11:00 am

Doggone: that’s pretty much what I said, isn’t it?

Oops… :oops: I misread your statement. We’re in agreement.

DannyX

February 28th, 2013
11:00 am

“One could go on, but why bother here?”

Or one could just go start their own damn blog and stop looking for entitlements to this one.

stands for decibels - Race Traitor!

February 28th, 2013
11:00 am

Luckovich has and always will be a complete and total douche…perhaps he and Jay are secret pals..

Two long-time AJC veterans, of somewhat similar vintage, might be “secret pals?”

I must say, that pipe and tweed hunting cap look smashing on you, Sherlock.

JamVet

February 28th, 2013
11:01 am

So Scout @10:32, you are acknowledging that the most virulent of the Republicans DO hate Uncle Sam.

(As if that were some big secret, huh? LOL!)

And the truth shall set you free…

Bob

February 28th, 2013
11:01 am

Granny Godzilla

February 28th, 2013
10:46 am

Bob

Did I claim K71 didn’t want liberty for blacks or did I ask if he did or not?

Bottom line….What is the problem with problem with Black Liberation Theology?

Granny, why ask me ? I was not the guy that sat in the pews for 20 years and then shun rev Wright by saying he did not agree with what the preacher had to say. It seems as though Obama chose to shun Black Liberation Theology instead of telling America he believed in it. Why does Obama have a problem with Black Liberation Theology should be the question.

Towncrier

February 28th, 2013
11:02 am

“My point wasn’t that the Republican bill was great. My point is that the Republicans put out a bill. The Democrats have just put out rhetoric. If they are really serious they will pass a bill. Or at least introduce one – not just make speeches.”

Apparently politicians – including Obama – don’t want us to see the details so they are loathe to put anything on paper. With Obama it may be more than that – he may just be flat out lying and manipulating.

barking frog

February 28th, 2013
11:02 am

Within the Democratic Party there is plenty of room
for a liberal to be elected in 2016.

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
11:02 am

LOL Today has been a classic example of the talk radio FOXBOTS and their rush to post the days thought as soon as someone tells them what to think. How many have comeon hear since Herman talked about Woodward?

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
11:03 am

LOL comeon hear? I’ll learn English tomorrow……

williebkind

February 28th, 2013
11:03 am

Since most of you like to explore the internet all day dont forget to look at,”In case you missed it, Michelle Malkin has made a video parodying Michelle Obama’s and Jimmy Fallon’s viral “The Evolution Of Mom Dancing.” I hope you have fun.

Brosephus™ - Always bet on Black.

February 28th, 2013
11:04 am

Fred @ 10:59

Curses on you for that…… Just damn…

DannyX

February 28th, 2013
11:05 am

“How many have comeon hear since Herman talked about Woodward?”

REGRETZI!

Skip

February 28th, 2013
11:05 am

I hear CNN is reporting a drone took out Woodward.

St Simons - he-ne-ha

February 28th, 2013
11:05 am

a native metaphor for your enjoyment –
my 5 & 2 yr old little injuns are ‘expanding’ – using con/AM radio logic,
if I just give them a leeeetle bit more food than i did when they
were 1 and 3, what’s the big deal? duh huh?

well, if i do that, they’re still malnourished. (for the for-profit-jaysus
school-educated – didn’t get enough food)

or as great granny more eloquently put it, “the bigger these b@stards
get, the more you hafta go out hunting”

Joe Hussein Mama

February 28th, 2013
11:05 am

Oh no! Does this mean the food will become even *more* crappy than it already is?

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/olive-garden-promises-cheaper-food-more-options-1C8595202

Doggone/GA

February 28th, 2013
11:06 am

“Most everyone is known by the company they keep”

WELCOME to the liberal side of the house!

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
11:07 am

Here since willie lacks the technological skill……… (actually I’m betting he never watched the video, he just heard about it on the radio):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=T1iRdUwnFWo

stands for decibels - Race Traitor!

February 28th, 2013
11:07 am

wahoo, you raise some very good / discussion worthy points, I wish I could get to ‘em all, but I’ll just do this one for now:

more interested in raising taxes on the wealthy than in reducing defense spending. I personally was surprised by that – I would have pegged their priority to be more on defense spending.

Not that I claim to speak for these congrefsfolk, but I am very sympathetic to the go-slow approach on defense cuts.

Yes, we have too many people in too many far-flung places, we spend too much on superexpensive bang-shoot things.

But if you just start taking a machete to this major economic component, you’re going to inflict horrific hardship on many Americans in the “food chain,” so to speak–the guy who doesn’t do a brake job on the defense contractor’s daughter’s car because he can’t afford to have ‘em done because the project hours got cut…

I’m as much of a peacenik as the next guy, but I’d do these cuts slowly and humanely as possible.

Granny Godzilla

February 28th, 2013
11:09 am

Bob

Why ask you?

Why’d you ask me?

I suspect Obama has no problem with black liberation theology – ya’ know being black and liberated and all….

I was saddened that he walked away from that fight myself, but understand the politics behind it.

I never saw Mitt Romney and Todd Akin on the same stage. Did that sadden you? Or did you understand the pragmatic reasons why it never happened?

barking frog

February 28th, 2013
11:10 am

If the Democrats can live with cutting food stamp increases
they can live with this.

Towncrier

February 28th, 2013
11:12 am

“Dude, the Founders *themselves* put ten Amendments in before the country was even 20 years old. There’s your proof positive that even the Founders considered the Consititution a living document…If they didn’t want it to be changeable, then they wouldn’t have written an amendment procedure right into it.”

Indeed…changeable through the amendment procedure, not by interpreting it in an illegitimate way because you have given yourself the power of judicial review or because you want to do something not really permitted (as an enumerated power) by it (as have Washington, Hamilton and other presidents, and the Congress numerous times). That is how standards become meaningless over time.

Redcoat

February 28th, 2013
11:13 am

Democrats/Liberals have no interest in what Lanny Davis is saying……….

stands for decibels - Race Traitor!

February 28th, 2013
11:14 am

DownInAlbany

February 28th, 2013
11:14 am

Brosephus™ – Always bet on Black.

February 28th, 2013
10:16 am

Obama believes in radical black liberation theology and that redistribution will help fix all the wrongs he perceives to have been committed against blacks.

I don’t know many people who attend a church for 20 years and doesn’t agree with the theology of same. Trinity United Church of Christ practices black liberation theology. There is no deflecting that truth.

Get Real

February 28th, 2013
11:14 am

Granny Godzilla

Not in the case of Luckovich……

Oscar

February 28th, 2013
11:14 am

A house devided against itself cannot stand.
— A. Lincoln

Brosephus™ - Always bet on Black.

February 28th, 2013
11:16 am

Doggone @ 11:06

Isn’t it funny how some people make those kinds of statements without realizing the self implications?

:lol:

Erwin's cat

February 28th, 2013
11:16 am

Oh no! Does this mean the food will become even *more* crappy than it already is?

Is that even possible? They’d have to dig a hole to lower the bar that much!

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
11:17 am

Obama believes in radical black liberation theology and that redistribution will help fix all the wrongs he perceives to have been committed against blacks.

I don’t know many people who attend a church for 20 years and doesn’t agree with the theology of same. Trinity United Church of Christ practices black liberation theology. There is no deflecting that truth.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++

So you church practices spreading lies, fear-mongering, hate, and America bashing?

Doggone/GA

February 28th, 2013
11:17 am

“I was not the guy that sat in the pews for 20 years – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/02/28/yawn-yet-another-budget-crisis-looms/?cp=3#sthash.uZlKgHc7.dpuf

yes, we know. So you have absolutely NO IDEA what he preached on for 20 years. You only know ONE sermon and then just ASSUMED they were all the same. And you know what they say about “assume”

barking frog

February 28th, 2013
11:20 am

DownInAlbany
I don’t know many people who attend a church for 20 years and doesn’t agree with the theology of same.
……………………………………………………………………………………………..
then you are unfamiliar with probably 95% of Christians…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 28th, 2013
11:21 am

In case you missed it, Michelle Malkin has made a video

I prefer this one.

Brosephus™ - Always bet on Black.

February 28th, 2013
11:22 am

I don’t know many people who attend a church for 20 years and doesn’t agree with the theology of same. Trinity United Church of Christ practices black liberation theology. There is no deflecting that truth.

I KNOW a few people who don’t understand the difference between sitting in a church each week for 20 years vs spotty attendance while being on the membership roll for 20 years.

I’ve been a member of the same church since getting baptized around 30 years ago. Although I’ve lived in different places, I never changed my membership. When I go home, I attend church at the same church. If someone did a background check, I’d be listed as a 30 year member even though I haven’t regularly attended in 20 years.

Seems as though some people focus on things as though life is a series of binary, and only binary, choices. In actuality, things are much more complicated and can not be accurately distilled down to an either/or choice. Somebody stated earlier that most everyone is known by the company they keep in reference to this Black Liberation stuff. If that’s the case, then most of y’all conservatives that come here on a daily basis are actually RINO’s or even liberals as you can’t seem to stay away from this place, even though you all swear Bookman is Liberal to the point where his blood type is L.

Towncrier

February 28th, 2013
11:22 am

“Isn’t it funny how some people make those kinds of statements without realizing the self implications?”

If one equates visiting a blog with “keeping company”. If so, I guess you are not the self professed independent you claim to be after all (though I have had my doubts for a long time).

Redcoat

February 28th, 2013
11:22 am

stands for decibels……….Before Obama, all golfing Presidents were uncaring wealthy people or how it was portrayed, but now……….?…….Funny

Escaped from Email Purgatory

February 28th, 2013
11:23 am

Gamesmanship prevails. Anybody with a political skin in the deficit fight is posturing for their constituency.

I agree with an earlier comment. Simpson – Bowles is a place to start if we’re finally serious about deficit reduction. Nobody likes it, so it must be fair.

And as long as our national leadership is accountable to their segment of a profoundly polarized electorate, we’ll never get our spending under control.

There’s a drastic measure out there someplace that just might work. Some higher power – above the fray – Oprah maybe – needs to decree that Simpson – Bowles is our salvation – our only chance for achieving and maintaining fiscal sanity.

The groundswell of public approval will imbue our elected leadership with new found integrity and courage – not to mention plausible deniability if S-B goes ka- flooey.

“It was Oprah’s fault!”

That’s quite a burden to put on OW. I would have suggested the Pope, but he… well, you know.

How about Lance Armstrong? Everybody loves and respects him. No?

wahoo

February 28th, 2013
11:24 am

stands:

An interesting view. Knowing my own political views and having read yours on the blog, I would hazzard a guess that you are to my political left overall. Interesting then, that I am more in favor of defense cuts than you appear to be.

I recognize that government spending is a critical component of GDP (Consumption+Investment+Goverment+Net Exports) but at the same time, I also believe that we spend far more than is necessary on defense, especially as we rotate into a time of peace (hopefully). It would be contrary to our history to not reduce government spending on defense. As I mentioned on the blog the other day, my thought would be to enact targeted stimulus that would be deficit neutral (or even deficit reducing) to deal with the Sequester cuts currently contemplated. I would enact the same approach to deal with defense cuts. In any period of austerity overall or belt-tightening on defense, we need expansionary policy in other areas to offset the natural decelaration on economic growth caused by the reduction in goverment spending.

Seriously Folks

February 28th, 2013
11:24 am

Why all the drama? I mean the SAME Republicans just 10 years ago were talking about how much revenue would be generated if we “unleashed” the “job creators” from those onerous taxes they had to pay… I mean all that revenue has to be SOMEWHERE!!!?? Right??? And OOHH the jobs!!!

JamVet

February 28th, 2013
11:25 am

Reb, black liberation theology?

Is that like the GOP’s stunningly successful southern strategy?

Or am I confusing that with separate but equal?

LOL at the quasi-Klanners.

No wonder your Segregationist Party is swirling down the toilet…

Doggone/GA

February 28th, 2013
11:25 am

“Isn’t it funny how some people make those kinds of statements without realizing the self implications? – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/02/28/yawn-yet-another-budget-crisis-looms/?cp=4#comment-1246335

It is indeed!

Brosephus™ - Always bet on Black.

February 28th, 2013
11:26 am

If so, I guess you are not the self professed independent you claim to be after all (though I have had my doubts for a long time).

Doubt all you want, my posts are on this blog, Kyle’s infrequently, and all over the Washington Post. When and where I decide to comment has no bearing on all that I read. I guess me reading Red State or Free Republic means I’m a die-hard Conservative too, huh? Or do you have your doubts about that too.

:roll:

Granny Godzilla

February 28th, 2013
11:27 am

Redcoat

February 28th, 2013
11:22 am

stands for decibels……….Before Obama, all golfing Presidents were uncaring wealthy people or how it was portrayed, but now……….?…….Funny
.
.
.
.
Before this all golfing presidents were…wait for it…..golfing presidents!

(except for the one who said he was quitting for the troops and got caught on the links afterwards)

getalife

February 28th, 2013
11:27 am

I don’t think they gave woodward any access after his last book of lies and rw bs so he has to write another one to get the cons to buy his bs.

No credibility.

Doggone/GA

February 28th, 2013
11:27 am

“Trinity United Church of Christ practices black liberation theology. There is no deflecting that truth. – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/02/28/yawn-yet-another-budget-crisis-looms/?cp=4#comment-1246345

Sure…because all he WHITE MEMBERS of that church are just SO deeply invested in that theology…right?

Brosephus™ - Always bet on Black.

February 28th, 2013
11:29 am

Towncrier

Also, Independent means not beholden to either party. I’ve posted several times that I’m more left leaning than right. It depends on the subject being discussed. When you get your ideology out of your eyes and realize that someone can be independent but have their own leanings, you’ll be much better off. Independent people do lean left/right.

Towncrier

February 28th, 2013
11:29 am

“I don’t know many people who attend a church for 20 years and doesn’t agree with the theology of same. Trinity United Church of Christ practices black liberation theology.”

Or is not smart enough to know what the theology really is or has become. But I don’t really think Obama falls into that category, so I would agree that his continued “membership” in that church is problematic to those who wish to be intellectually honest. It is interesting to see how liberals attempt to defend him on this issue and others like it. It’s like they really think he is a good man or something. I voted for Bush twice, but was never inclined to see him as a really good man (despite his faith claims).

Redcoat

February 28th, 2013
11:29 am

Seriously Folks……..It’s spending, for generations not yet conceived, the revenues that have yet to be sucked in……..

nobodyouknow

February 28th, 2013
11:30 am

It absolutely amazes me how anyone with common sense can see all this B.S. happening and not hold O’bama responsible for half of it. Yes the “CONS” are the hardheaded, stubbon ones, also. But you damn well know JAY O’bama has to take his share of responsibility. I know you and your coharts are opinionated collumist. Conservative or Liberal. But I just wish all journalist would start taking an interest in whats best for our country. If you and your peers don’t like a person you will not find ANYTHING positive he does. On the other hand it you are infatuated with them (as you are with O’bama) you will not point to anything negative they do.. But you folks do make for interesting conversation ifs thats you purpose.

stands for decibels - Race Traitor!

February 28th, 2013
11:30 am

we need expansionary policy in other areas to offset the natural decelaration on economic growth caused by the reduction in goverment spending.

Why, you dirty effing hippie, you.

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
11:30 am

If so, I guess you are not the self professed independent you claim to be after all (though I have had my doubts for a long time).

Rather than admit how stupid their original hypothesis is these folks want to double and triple down on the stupid.

Is anyone surprised?

deegee

February 28th, 2013
11:31 am

I had a recent experience with a priest of a major religion whose pontiff just got fired. The priest told me that church membership is a prerequisite when making any special requests of the clergy. It doesn’t matter that you go to church every week and throw money if the collection basket. If you don’t place your money in a proper church envelope carrying your name and number then the only person that knows that you’re giving is God and that’s just not good enough for the clergy.

Granny Godzilla

February 28th, 2013
11:32 am

February 28th, 2013
11:29 am

“I don’t know many people who attend a church for 20 years and doesn’t agree with the theology of same

HELLO

Catholics and birth control….

Duh.

Protestants and DIvorce……

Duh…..

Jews and BLT’s….

Duh

Redcoat

February 28th, 2013
11:33 am

Here comes the Woodward treatment…………cut him him to pieces……how dare he retaliate like that !

stands for decibels - Race Traitor!

February 28th, 2013
11:33 am

Before Obama, all golfing Presidents were uncaring wealthy people

Huh? Which Presidents DIDN’T golf? I kinda assumed that Billy-Jeff used to light up a spliff on the back nine, back in the day.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 28th, 2013
11:33 am

Towncrier — “Indeed…changeable through the amendment procedure”

Thank you for your agreement on that point.

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
11:34 am

I want a QT chili cheese dog w/ mustard and onions. One of those that you take home to eat so no one can see you as it slops all over you. One of those that is so full of fat and cholesterol that you would be better off taking a needle and mainlining it straight into your bloodstream to clog your arteries.

Damn I hate my diet……..

Brosephus™ - Always bet on Black.

February 28th, 2013
11:34 am

Fred

Give’em a break. They’ve been in panic mode going on 5 years now. Logic eludes many.

Keep Up--Borderline Civility Fighter

February 28th, 2013
11:36 am

Independent people do lean left/right.

Have you tried adjusting the heel height of your shoes to correct that lean? Of course in the virtual world, all you have to do is scream “independent” and it means you have no leaning. Screaming is the key to correction. :D

stands for decibels - Race Traitor!

February 28th, 2013
11:36 am

because all he WHITE MEMBERS of that church are just SO deeply invested in that theology

by the way, the overall denomination of which Trinity is a member, happens to be 91% white.

but yeah, it’s racity-racey-racist, I tells ya.

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
11:36 am

Redcoat

February 28th, 2013
11:33 am

Here comes the Woodward treatment…………cut him him to pieces……how dare he retaliate like that !
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I love you you talk radio/FOXBOTS come on here with 1/4 of the REAL story as you heard on Herman’s show and try to lecture those of us who know the whole story. Do you even CARE how stupid you look?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 28th, 2013
11:37 am

Fred

Two words — Mediterranean diet

wahoo

February 28th, 2013
11:37 am

stands: Why, you dirty effing hippie, you.

Bravo. Fair point, although if you met me in person you would likely conclude I’m the furthest thing from a hippie. While not an isolationist, I have a predisposition to follow Washington’s advice about not injecting ourselves into foreign conflict, and I recognize that there are many ways to achieve an expansionary policy. Perhaps, although I hope not, our methods would differ since I seek to achieve expansionary policy on a deficit-neutral basis. I believe this is achievable, just perhaps not with the current politicians in their respective seats.

Granny Godzilla

February 28th, 2013
11:38 am

The woodward treatment…..

From TPM

“Now that the correspondence between Bob Woodward and the White House has been revealed as tame and cordial, conservative commentators are reacting with disappointment to the veteran journalist’s claim that he was threatened over his sequestration reporting.”

snicker

Look before I leap...

February 28th, 2013
11:39 am

Just finished up my financial paperwork and sending off to my CPA for ye olde tax time.
Got to thinking:

People should pay taxes (U.S. Internal Revenue Service)
Corporations are people (Supreme Court of the United States – Citizen’s United)
Corporations should pay taxes (Aristotle)

Towncrier

February 28th, 2013
11:39 am

“I’ve posted several times that I’m more left leaning than right. It depends on the subject being discussed… Independent people do lean left/right.”

I get that. But most independents I know do not defend politicians or administrations. They instead support positions (which is perfectly acceptable – if not exactly right). Libertarians are a good example of this. Most people on the left and right defend their men and women in their party to the death, which leaves them in a very bad position when these politicians fail or do wrong. I am strongly conservative, but you won’t find me defending people like Bush or other prominent Republicans. I have doubted your claim of being an independent because you have appeared to defend Obama or his policies at times when I thought no defense is appropriate – it just didn’t make sense.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 28th, 2013
11:39 am

GG — “HELLO”

“Catholics and birth control….”

That’s the first thing I thought, too.

stands for decibels - Race Traitor!

February 28th, 2013
11:39 am

if you met me in person you would likely conclude I’m the furthest thing from a hippie.

& I generally shower every day, myself.

I believe this is achievable, just perhaps not with the current politicians in their respective seats.

Yeah. s’pose firing squads are out of the question.

Regnad Kcin

February 28th, 2013
11:40 am

“Damn I hate my diet……..”

Fred, a high point of my life was when my doctor determined my high cholesterol was genetic- and not diet-based, so I could quit eating garbage and go back to chili cheese dos (in moderation, of course). Thank goodness for lipitor!

Look before I leap...

February 28th, 2013
11:41 am

“Damn I hate my diet……..”

I live 4 blocks from The Varsity, can I pick up something for ya?

Brosephus™ - Always bet on Black.

February 28th, 2013
11:41 am

Keep

I simply shift the “Alabama Blacksnake” to one side and that straightens things out… :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyGOJ1_kcI8

Joe Hussein Mama

February 28th, 2013
11:41 am

Towncrier — “I have doubted your claim of being an independent because you have appeared to defend Obama or his policies at times when I thought no defense is appropriate – it just didn’t make sense.”

Emphasis mine.

Perhaps you should consider that people aren’t necessarily using your yardstick.

Granny Godzilla

February 28th, 2013
11:41 am

Y’all see the story about Marco McMillian in Mississippi?

I would hope Roberts, Scalia, Thomas and Alito have.

Save the VRA!

JamVet

February 28th, 2013
11:41 am

I absolutely love it when the Segregationist Party nuts here start whining about black Americans, their culture, religion, politics, etc.

If you want to see what America would look like if all blacks and other people of color mysteriously disappeared it would be REAL easy.

Just attend the next Republican National Convention.

Ouch! (That one’s gonna leave a mark!)

getalife

February 28th, 2013
11:41 am

If woodward told the truth, he would not sell his books of bs.

I doubt he will get any of his calls returned so he is washed up as a writer of fiction.

Towncrier

February 28th, 2013
11:42 am

“Thank you for your agreement on that point.”

No thanks needed. It is a fact – that’s why I used the word “indeed”.

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
11:42 am

stands:

An interesting view. Knowing my own political views and having read yours on the blog, I would hazzard a guess that you are to my political left overall.

LOL Stands is to the political left of MOST of the posters I would say. But we still like him :mrgreen:

Joe Hussein Mama

February 28th, 2013
11:44 am

Brosephus — “I simply shift the “Alabama Blacksnake” to one side”

+5 points for Full Metal Jacket reference. :)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/peeps-show-ii/2008/03/20/AFyo2EPD_gallery.html#photo=10

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
11:46 am

I have doubted your claim of being an independent because you have appeared to defend Obama or his policies at times when I thought no defense is appropriate – it just didn’t make sense.

That is because YOUR position was a far right wing fanatical position that makes no sense and you consistently refuse to listen to anyone or concede a point. You are right and everyone else is wrong is the attitude you present here.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 28th, 2013
11:46 am

WHITE HOUSE THREATENS WOODWARD: ‘YOU WILL REGRET DOING THIS’…
Watergate reporter blasts Obama ‘madness’…
‘It makes me very uncomfortable’…
POLITICO: Exclusive Details…
Left ramps up campaign to discredit…
Will Washington Stand Up for Woodward?
Plouffe: He’s getting old…

Top left column drudgey spam

Redcoat

February 28th, 2013
11:47 am

Is Woodward correct with his assessment of Obama?

Towncrier

February 28th, 2013
11:48 am

“Rather than admit how stupid their original hypothesis is these folks want to double and triple down on the stupid.”

Not intended to be an ironically self-defeating statement.

Welcome back, Fred. I see your verbal diarrhea has returned.

Brosephus™ - Always bet on Black.

February 28th, 2013
11:48 am

Towncrier: But most independents I know do not defend politicians or administrations… I have doubted your claim of being an independent because you have appeared to defend Obama or his policies at times when I thought no defense is appropriate – it just didn’t make sense.

I guess you haven’t figured it out yet that I’m not like most people. How many Black men do you know who are NASCAR , bull riding, and off roading fans? How many Black men do you know who can sing along with Metallica, Stone Temple Pilots, Soundgarden, or Tool and not miss a single word?

I pride myself on being different from everyone else around me. If you question my defense of Obama’s administration, you would have lost it to hear me defend Bush.

I give a rat’s ass less about the parties. I give a rat’s ass less about the ideologies. What I care about is my country, and I’ll do whatever it takes to defend it and ensure it’s survival. For better or worse, Obama’s president until our next election. Instead of complaining about the bitterness of lemons, why not make lemonade instead and enjoy yourself? Life is too damn short to harbor the kinds of anger and resentment we see thrown around here, and I have no use for that.

If you don’t like my kind of independence, then maybe you should try to separate yourself from the pack for once and see how refreshing it really is. I have no problem with defending my president when I think he needs defending, and I have no problem with calling him out when I think he’s wrong. THAT’s what being independent is all about, not simply being a mushy mouthed person trying to straddle the middle ground because they are incapable of forming their own views.

Keep Up--Borderline Civility Fighter

February 28th, 2013
11:49 am

Bro, I guess I need a new name. I was going with Dean Wormer. :D

Towncrier

February 28th, 2013
11:50 am

“That is because YOUR position was a far right wing fanatical position that makes no sense and you consistently refuse to listen to anyone or concede a point. You are right and everyone else is wrong is the attitude you present here.”

Not intended to be an ironically self-defeating statement.

And the hits keep on coming…

Regnad Kcin

February 28th, 2013
11:50 am

From Talking Points memo, about the Woodward “scandal”:

“Just yesterday, Red State’s Erick Erickson wrote a fantastic, thoughtful piece about how harmful and embarrassing this phenomenon is.

“Conservatives are trying so hard to highlight controversies, no matter how trivial, we have forgotten the basics of reporting,” he wrote. He used the Obamaphone “scandal” as an example, but it works just as well in this instance. Conservative writers were so thrilled to have a scandal to lay at Obama’s that they didn’t bother to verify it, and ended up owning themselves. ”

So we should expect to hear retractions from many posters today, admitting they were wrong…

barking frog

February 28th, 2013
11:51 am

Redcoat
Is Woodward correct with his assessment of Obama?
……………………………………………………………………..
Is Obama correct with his assessment of Woodward ?

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
11:51 am

Redcoat

February 28th, 2013
11:47 am

Is Woodward correct with his assessment of Obama?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

His assessment that Obama is a fool for not breaking the law? I dunno, tell me what YOU think?

Brosephus™ - She say you soul brother too beaucoup

February 28th, 2013
11:53 am

Towncrier: I am strongly conservative, but you won’t find me defending people like Bush or other prominent Republicans.

That’s your thing and do it as you must. I am strongly American, and I will remain that way until I become worm food. Where you see me as defending a person, I defend America. I refuse to let anybody else cheapen the Office of the President because their personal feelings are hurt. This country is about more than self. Too bad the selfish will never figure that out.

Looney Bin

February 28th, 2013
11:54 am

A George divided against itself cannot stand.

Redcoat

February 28th, 2013
11:54 am

barking frog……When an answer is a question, then you know…………..

TBS

February 28th, 2013
11:54 am

“Perhaps you should consider that people aren’t necessarily using your yardstick. ”

Or care to use it.

It is amusing how many times he works to put people in the box he wants them to be in then gets frustrated because that person laughs at his assertions.

Regnad Kcin

February 28th, 2013
11:55 am

“Is Woodward correct with his assessment of Obama?”

Redcoat – are you keeping up with the “scandal?” Have you heard Woodward’s latest response? I think not…

Brosephus™ - She say you soul brother too beaucoup

February 28th, 2013
11:55 am

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
11:56 am

Not intended to be an ironically self-defeating statement.

I realize you think Town Crier that stringing a few big words together makes you seem like an intellectual, but they have to GO together in a logic and grammatical manner for that to be the case.

That mish mash of crap is illogical, and says nothing other than a fool tried to string some big words together in order to sound intellectual.

Brosephus™ - She say you soul brother too beaucoup

February 28th, 2013
11:56 am

So we should expect to hear retractions from many posters today, admitting they were wrong…

I bet we’ll see one of Doggone’s dogs log on and post comments first.

barking frog

February 28th, 2013
11:57 am

I have come to the conclusion that we do not have bad Presidents
and we do not have good Presidents, we just have Presidents and
bad or good happens. Congress…..not so much.

Stevie Ray

February 28th, 2013
11:57 am

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 28th, 2013
11:57 am

Woodward = Benghazi = birth certificate = Frank’s Hot Sauce.

They put that sh*t on everything.

JKL2

February 28th, 2013
11:58 am

fred- Only to a jackass am I a liberal. Only to someone who thinks that anyone who doesn’t walk lock step with the foxbot lies or Rush Limbaugh lies am I a liberal.

Spoken like a true liberal too embarrassed to admit what he actually is…

Brosephus™ - She say you soul brother too beaucoup

February 28th, 2013
11:58 am

Stevie Ray

Saw it when it was posted long ago. You’re just now seeing it?

getalife

February 28th, 2013
11:58 am

Today cnn is the Catholic News Network as the gay pope has left the building.

I think they should allow gay marriage to lower molestations of the children.

barking frog

February 28th, 2013
11:59 am

Redcoat
barking frog……When an answer is a question, then you know…………..
………………………………………………………..
what?

TBS

February 28th, 2013
12:00 pm

As for the sequester, I see lack of leadership all over.

If Republicans were good with it when they overwhelmingly approved it then why haven’t they just washed their hands and walked away?

With that said, Obama didn’t do too damn good of a job negotiating because he signed the bill into law and now like the Republicans he doesn’t like it that much.

The excuses on both sides are both sad and amusing as well as tiresome.

TBS

February 28th, 2013
12:01 pm

JKL2

Read earlier where you were posting about 47%. Isn’t that about the percentage of the vote that Romney received.

oh the irony

Granny Godzilla

February 28th, 2013
12:01 pm

Didn’t Sean Hannity just tell Rep. Ellison that he was…wait for it….independent?

He protested virulantly that he was NOT a Republican.

Too embarrassed I wonder?

Brosephus™ - She say you soul brother too beaucoup

February 28th, 2013
12:01 pm

frog

I’ll agree with you on that. We don’t know whether a president is good or bad in our lifetime. It takes far too long for their advocated policies to be evaluated. We’re really just now getting to the point where Reagan’s Trickle Down Economics is truly being felt. The point that most everyone misses though, is that, the president can advocate for damn near anything they choose. If Congress doesn’t legislate and pass it, it will never come to pass.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 28th, 2013
12:02 pm

JKL — “Spoken like a true liberal too embarrassed to admit what he actually is…”

Spoken like a bully who expects others to knuckle under to him out of embarrassment.

Brosephus™ - She say you soul brother too beaucoup

February 28th, 2013
12:03 pm

TBS @ 12:01

That’s gonna leave a mark…

TBS

February 28th, 2013
12:03 pm

“I think they should allow gay marriage to lower molestations of the children. ”

Get: not sure if that is the answer. A pedophile is a pedophile. Married or not they will molest kids given the opportunity. That degenerate at PSU was married with kids. That didn’t seem to stop him one iota.

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
12:04 pm

JKL2

February 28th, 2013
11:58 am

fred- Only to a jackass am I a liberal. Only to someone who thinks that anyone who doesn’t walk lock step with the foxbot lies or Rush Limbaugh lies am I a liberal.

Spoken like a true liberal too embarrassed to admit what he actually is…
++++++++++++++++++++

Says a troll with nothing to ad but some trolling. i guess here is where I’m supposed to get all indignant or something I suppose. Why would I do that? i have a ten year old and so I’m current on juvenile “logic” or lack thereof.

you have shown once again JKL2 why your presence is not missed……. oh wait, you are ALWAYS here, it’s just a matter of which alt you post under lol.

TBS

February 28th, 2013
12:05 pm

Bro

My new term for those type posts is called a “blog slap”………

Towncrier

February 28th, 2013
12:05 pm

“Instead of complaining about the bitterness of lemons, why not make lemonade instead and enjoy yourself? Life is too damn short to harbor the kinds of anger and resentment we see thrown around here, and I have no use for that.”

Well, you sure get obviously angry a bit here on this blog (as in this very post) so I don’t know why you say you have no use for anger and resentment.

I stand by what I said about defending politicians rather than positions. That, I think, is why there is so much animus and inability resolve political problems in America today. A month or so ago, I criticized Obama and other liberal Democrats for pushing gun control measures that aren’t really going to do much to reduce gun violence such as we see in Chicago and said that it showed a far interest in banning guns than in solving the problem. And you jumped all over me in a very angry way, saying I had no business talking about the problems of Chicago when I don’t live there. Well, Obama (and most Democrats in Congress) doesn’t live in Newtown either. Your attack made NO sense at all, given the fact that over 80% of gun-related murders are committed with handguns, a good percentage of which are possessed illegally. I could only chalk it up to you being liberal. Why else do you fly off the handle at times in defense of Obama and Democrats? Show me where you have done the same with Bush or Republicans.

getalife

February 28th, 2013
12:05 pm

The sequester is waving the white flag and surrendering on growth.

Cuts means unemployment rises and we go back to a recession to lose thousands of more jobs.

The gop are job killers. Period.

Redcoat

February 28th, 2013
12:05 pm

So now the Woodward spin begins…….this is what I REALLY meant…..works every time

keith

February 28th, 2013
12:06 pm

obama comes up with lame brain ideas like the sequester, then when it bites him in the butt he goes on vacation. Then he starts campaigning against his own stupid idea. He is the blamer in chief, its always someone elses fault. Instead of running around the country crying like a 2 year old he should be DOING HIS JOB!!

JKL2

February 28th, 2013
12:06 pm

Sequestration is obama’s program. Funny how you Demwits are so busy blaming everything on the Republicans that you can’t get behind our president and support his program.

keith

February 28th, 2013
12:07 pm

The sequester is waving the white flag and surrendering on growth.

Cuts means unemployment rises and we go back to a recession to lose thousands of more jobs.

The gop are job killers. Period.
– See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/02/28/yawn-yet-another-budget-crisis-looms/?cp=5#comment-1246420

tHEN WHY DID OBAMA COME UP WITH THE SEQUESTER IDEA IN THE FIRST PLACE? aRE YOU ADMITTING HE WAS A FOOL?

keith

February 28th, 2013
12:08 pm

theres plenty of videos of obama on youtube praising his sequester idea. threatening to veto any legislation to overturn it. we are here BECAUSE OF ZERO

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
12:09 pm

Redcoat

February 28th, 2013
12:05 pm

So now the Woodward spin begins…….this is what I REALLY meant…..works every time
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

You didn’t mean anything and had no clue as to what to expect. You were merely posting your talk radio/FOXBOT talking point of the day. You don’t know what it means, you only know what Herman said.

keith

February 28th, 2013
12:09 pm

You crazy liberals voted for this. why arent ya happy?

getalife

February 28th, 2013
12:10 pm

The sequester is the what if congress failed to do their job.

congress is to blame since you cons play the blame game to give your failed gop party a free pass.

Towncrier

February 28th, 2013
12:10 pm

” A pedophile is a pedophile. Married or not they will molest kids given the opportunity.”

“Straight” married men do not molest boys. Bisexual or mostly gay ones do if their “orientation” is children.

BTW, a question for the liberals here: if a teenage girl can get contraceptives or an abortion without parental consent, why can she not also marry without consent? On what logical grounds should she not be able to do so?

Redcoat

February 28th, 2013
12:11 pm

Fred………Who’s Herman?……and what did he say?

TBS

February 28th, 2013
12:11 pm

keith

Good point, but if it was that easy why are Republicans in both the House and Senate working on a deal to change it and we wont even talking about the numerous Republican Governors who are crying about it?

Again, if Republicans were good with it, they would let Obama just talk and they would walk away.

keith

February 28th, 2013
12:11 pm

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
12:11 pm

Sock puppet troll time. How special. Must be lunchtime at the turd factory.

Jefferson

February 28th, 2013
12:11 pm

He already regrets it.

Rhapsody In Red

February 28th, 2013
12:11 pm

“Didn’t Sean Hannity just tell Rep. Ellison that he was…wait for it….independent?”

Uhm no, Granny. Get that info from an edited/doctored video on MSNBC or something? He said he was a Conservative. And I thoroughly enjoyed that exchange. Nothing like a liberal democrat name calling and hurling insults when facts are presented (and he couldn’t even name a lie that Hannity told when asked).

In any event, only in the land of liberal Oz does a decrease of 2.4% in an increase in spending warrant the release of illegal immigrants, more air pollution, airliners colliding mid-air, children and old people starving in the streets like Third World dwellers, blah blah yawn.

And let’s give it up for the White House regime and Dems going after Bob Woodward’s deep throat (geddit?) for speaking the truth about Obama! Got sequester? You can’t write stuff better than this. It’s like watching a Monty Python skit, I tell ya…

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
12:12 pm

Redcoat

February 28th, 2013
12:11 pm

Fred………Who’s Herman?……and what did he say?
+++++++++++++++++++++

Uh huh. Nice try sport.

Jefferson

February 28th, 2013
12:12 pm

keith is full again today.

Granny Godzilla

February 28th, 2013
12:12 pm

Towncrier

Re: Chicago’s gun safety laws

They are useless if the city’s around them have none.

From the NYT

More than a quarter of the firearms seized on the streets here by the Chicago Police Department over the past five years were bought just outside city limits in Cook County suburbs, according to an analysis by the University of Chicago Crime Lab. Others came from stores around Illinois and from other states, like Indiana, less than an hour’s drive away. Since 2008, more than 1,300 of the confiscated guns, the analysis showed, were bought from just one store, Chuck’s Gun Shop in Riverdale, Ill., within a few miles of Chicago’s city limit

TBS

February 28th, 2013
12:12 pm

You knew it wouldn’t take long for the closeted one to over compensate once again

Brosephus™ - She say you soul brother too beaucoup

February 28th, 2013
12:12 pm

Well, you sure get obviously angry a bit here on this blog (as in this very post) so I don’t know why you say you have no use for anger and resentment.

There was no anger in that post. Just because YOU perceive something doesn’t make it real or a fact.

Show me where you have done the same with Bush or Republicans.

Bush is no longer president. Did you not realize that? When Republicans do something worth defending, I will defend them. You are not my father, brother, uncle, boss, supervisor, or anybody else whom I need to “show” anything. I don’t post here to please you or anybody else. If you take that as some “angry” post that you seem to think I do often, then do what you must. When you and I have any kind of relationship where I have to show you something, then I will.

And you jumped all over me in a very angry way, saying I had no business talking about the problems of Chicago when I don’t live there.

No, I said that you, and everyone else using Chicago as a talking point, needed to stop using that if you were not doing anything to help them with their problem. I was and still am sick and tired of people trotting out the “victims” when it suits their talking point and then summarily dismissing them in the next sentence.

If you’re so concerned about Chicago and their gun violence, what have you done to help them? You’ve had more than enough time to do something, right?

keith

February 28th, 2013
12:13 pm

You liberals are nuts. obama supports sequester, you support sequester. he changes his mind, you change your mind. cant you think for yourselves. you are pathetic.

alex

February 28th, 2013
12:13 pm

@ TBS, agree with your noon post.

@ Getalife, angry?, was that necessary?, Were you molested by a priest? If so, I sure could understand that outburst. If not, you’re extremely cynical. Do you have a bumper sticker: “I Survived Catholic School”?

indigo

February 28th, 2013
12:13 pm

DownInAlbany – 11:14

Many people attend Church strictly for business, social and political reasons.

TBS

February 28th, 2013
12:14 pm

“ ‘Straight’ married men do not molest boys. Bisexual or mostly gay ones do if their “orientation” is children. – ”

And you know that how? It was taught to you in a program or do you teach that in a program?

getalife

February 28th, 2013
12:14 pm

The majority voted for our President’s approach on the deficit.

The gop are fighting against the majority as usual.

The Clinton team balanced our budget for the gop to explode it again.

Why should we balance it again if the gop can blow it again?

keith

February 28th, 2013
12:15 pm

If you’re so concerned about Chicago and their gun violence, what have you done to help them? You’ve had more than enough time to do something, right? – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/02/28/yawn-yet-another-budget-crisis-looms/?cp=5#comment-1246439

Chicago should be utopia. they had the world famous, nobel prize winning community organizer taking care of them. arent you happy with the job hes done?

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
12:15 pm

You are not my father, brother, uncle, boss, supervisor, or anybody else whom I need to “show” anything.

I liked MY way of putting that better. But my way gets you a (f)RED CARD. :lol:

barking frog

February 28th, 2013
12:16 pm

alex
does getalife have to be murdered to hate murderers?

Redcoat

February 28th, 2013
12:16 pm

Fred…..only Herman I can think of is Cain maybe……don’t listen to him……you must be……haha…..what did he say?

Joe Hussein Mama

February 28th, 2013
12:16 pm

Towncrier — “why can she not also marry without consent? On what logical grounds should she not be able to do so?”

Given your supposed extensive reading on legal subjects, you should have figured this out a long time ago.

Minors are legally incapable of entering into binding legal contracts. Marriage is, when stripped down to its legal ‘bones,’ a binding legal contract. Therefore, minors can’t get married without parental consent.

Brosephus™ - She say you soul brother too beaucoup

February 28th, 2013
12:16 pm

keith: Chicago should be utopia. they had the world famous, nobel prize winning community organizer taking care of them. arent you happy with the job hes done?

Until you answer the question I asked you a few nights back, you need not address anything in my direction.

TBS

February 28th, 2013
12:17 pm

“Many people attend Church strictly for business, social and political reasons. ”

As long as they are not attempting to convert you or condemn you (which does happen on this blog frequently), why worry about the reasons another person goes to church?

How does it impact your life?

Towncrier

February 28th, 2013
12:18 pm

“Where you see me as defending a person, I defend America. I refuse to let anybody else cheapen the Office of the President because their personal feelings are hurt. This country is about more than self. Too bad the selfish will never figure that out.”

We should all respect an office of authority, but we are NOT obligated to respect the person holding it. Respect is earned, not given blindly. And have you not said disrespectful things about people holding other offices (than the POTUS)? What is the difference?

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 28th, 2013
12:18 pm

Well, I’m kinda tired and every year those cases of PBR get heavier and heavier. It’s alot harder to get out of bed in the morning.

I watched some TV while I was eating.

I was just wondering if any of you would have a helicopter that could take me and the missus and little Nathan Zell George to a castle you own so I could live out my remaining years watching Fox News and being kinda quiet. Maybe give me a couple thousand a month for expenses while you buy my food and take care of my needs.

But then I think of the heavy responsibility I have. I know some of you couldn’t go two days without beer. You don’t even know how much you depend on me. So I reckon I’ll finish my meal and get back in the truck.

Have a good p.m. everybody.

indigo

February 28th, 2013
12:18 pm

keith – 12:07 “then why did Obama come up with the sequester idea in the first place”

Because he honestly thought, because of it’s dire consequences, that Republicans would COME TO THEIR SENSES and do the right things.

Boy, those Republicans sure showed him!!!

They haven’t done the right things in so long that they’ve forgotten what that even means.

Brosephus™ - She say you soul brother too beaucoup

February 28th, 2013
12:18 pm

But my way gets you a (f)RED CARD. :lol:

Well, I was accused earlier of being like you. Seems as one poster suggests that I have anger management issues too. Maybe I need to channel my inner Fred™ a bit more.

:lol:

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
12:18 pm

Fred…..only Herman I can think of is Cain maybe……don’t listen to him……you must be……haha…..what did he say?

The same thing you came on 5 minutes later saying. You and 5 others………..

Give DownInAlbany credit. HE talked about it first thing this morning, HOURS before Herman did and you came parroting it.

nice try.

alex

February 28th, 2013
12:18 pm

@ granny, were those seized guns used in a crime?

Dumb and Dumber

February 28th, 2013
12:19 pm

Funny, the failure of Congress and the President to deal with the crisis of our deficit/debt (and it is a crisis that dwarfs anything written about in this paper, unless a plague strikes the US real soon) is all Republicans’ fault? Harry “I’ve never seen a budget bill I like” Reid and Democrats have nothing to do with it? The President, who signs bills into law, has nothing to do with it? And Nancy “We don’t have a spending problem” Pelosi have nothing to do with it? (I loved Pelosi’s line, she must be off meds, stupidest line since you have to pass the bill to see what’s in it).

This is simple inaction by politicians on both sides of the aisle and particularly a do nothing President. Plain and simple. $85 billiion in a budget approaching $4 trillion is hardly a ‘crisis’. The crisis in leadership, however, is a different thing. Buck starts and stops at 1600 Pennsylvania for leadership. Been looking for something to come from there, other than a new haircut or dance steps, for a long, long time.

Keep Up--Borderline Civility Fighter

February 28th, 2013
12:19 pm

Well now if Doggone can have her dogs blog, I am going to work on training my dogs. Better watch out. Them dogs are getting real smart. Dog Shoots Owner in Leg, Then Claims Gun Was ‘Unloaded

The NRA has issued the statement that the only way to stop a bad dog with a gun is a good dog with a gun….. but you better not wear a hoodie.

Glad the dog wasn’t hurt–just sayin.”

“A clear cut case of ‘Stand Your Hound!’”

“Guns don’t kill people, dogs do!”

“Man’s best friend! Next time Spot barks for you to slow down you better listen.”

“NRA says that dogs have the right to ‘bear’ arms.”

“That why we have laws-like gun must be cased when in vehicle **** duh**** idiots shouldn’t have guns either.”

“Did anyone talk to the dog? Maybe he shot the idiot in the a** on purpose.”

“Hand over the Milk Bones and nobody gets hurt!!!”

JKL2

February 28th, 2013
12:19 pm

TBS- Again, if Republicans were good with it, they would let Obama just talk and they would walk away

Sorry for trying to keep our country for going over a cliff. Maybe they should be more like our President and go golfing in the face of a crisis.

They could follow the fine example of the WI Senate that has gwidely approved by the Left–just don’t show up to work. (then try to force as many recall elections as you can against the people who were actually doing their job.)

Look before I leap...

February 28th, 2013
12:19 pm

” if a teenage girl can get contraceptives or an abortion without parental consent, why can she not also marry without consent? On what logical grounds should she not be able to do so? – ”

With the exception of MS, teenage girl can get married in any state in the US.

indigo

February 28th, 2013
12:20 pm

TBS – 12:17

I was just making an observation.

getalife

February 28th, 2013
12:20 pm

alex,

I write the truth.

You can’t handle the truth and that is not my problem.

DownInAlbany

February 28th, 2013
12:21 pm

indigo

February 28th, 2013
12:13 pm

I can’t argue with that. I know a few like that…

In the middle

February 28th, 2013
12:21 pm

Talk is cheap. Exaclty what are the cuts? Be specific….

Democrats, on the other hand, propose a mixture of cuts and revenue increases, with President Obama committing publicly to a ratio of two dollars in cuts for one dollar in new revenue.

But never the twain shall meet, apparently
– See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/02/28/yawn-yet-another-budget-crisis-looms/?cp=5#sthash.enSanzC2.dpuf

Granny Godzilla

February 28th, 2013
12:21 pm

Rhapsody In Red

February 28th, 2013
12:11 pm

“Didn’t Sean Hannity just tell Rep. Ellison that he was…wait for it….independent?”

Uhm no, Granny
.
.
.
Thank you for correcting me. You are right I was wrong!

However..it remains that he claims he’s not a republican.

So, considering the context of the discussion above…

Is he embarrassed?

Stevie Ray

February 28th, 2013
12:22 pm

Brosephus™ – She say you soul brother too beaucoup

February 28th, 2013
11:56 am

Yeah, my bad. Too lazy to go back…seems in the words of mark knopfler, “two men say they’re jesus, one of them must be wrong…”

Sit back, relax and enjoy the ride..

alex

February 28th, 2013
12:22 pm

@ Frog, did you read the post by geta,…if the ? is guilt by association, Geta’s cynicism is extreme.I was asking for any possible motive for such extreme thought. Perhaps I should have discounted the response. As for your analogy, I’ll discount it…

Brosephus™ - She say you soul brother too beaucoup

February 28th, 2013
12:22 pm

And have you not said disrespectful things about people holding other offices (than the POTUS)? What is the difference?

The difference is that the Office of the President as well as the person occupying that office is in my direct chain of commandment. Congress is not. The governor of Georgia or it’s legislators are not. I respect my chain of command, and by being in that spot, Obama, and Bush prior to him, earned that respect from me.

As I told you earlier, I am different from most other people. You can’t use YOUR ideals and beliefs to explain MY thoughts and beliefs. You’ll never understand my perspectives as long as you try to view them from yours. That’s something that I can’t teach you to do. You have to learn to drop your biases on your own.

TBS

February 28th, 2013
12:23 pm

JKL2 @ 12:19

Based on that response, are you saying Republicans were not being too smart for overwhelmingly approving the bill?

On one hand, you want to whine about Obama walking it back after signing it. I think there is merit to stating that position. But on the other hand, you want to give the Republicans a pass for approving and now doing basically what the President is doing……. trying to walk it back.

If it is good law then walk away. It is that simple. Problem is that they know that like the President it wasn’t good law when they approved it and the President signed it.

DannyX

February 28th, 2013
12:24 pm

“I got 98 percent of what I wanted.”

-John Boehner

stands for decibels - Race Traitor love you long time

February 28th, 2013
12:24 pm

She say you soul brother too beaucoup

Ok, I just now saw that.

Ear to ear, man. Ear to ear.

DownInAlbany

February 28th, 2013
12:24 pm

In the middle

February 28th, 2013
12:21 pm

Talk is cheap. Exaclty what are the cuts? Be specific….

Democrats, on the other hand, propose a mixture of cuts and revenue increases, with President Obama committing publicly to a ratio of two dollars in cuts for one dollar in new revenue.

Funny, on the campaign trail, it was 4:1! Move them goalposts!

Brosephus™ - She say you soul brother too beaucoup

February 28th, 2013
12:24 pm

Stevie Ray

NO worries bro. Do you have an ID at the WaPo? I swear I thought I read a post from you on one of their editorials. Similar screen name and the thought style and ideology almost fit you to a tee.

Look before I leap...

February 28th, 2013
12:24 pm

“Minors are legally incapable of entering into binding legal contracts. Marriage is, when stripped down to its legal ‘bones,’ a binding legal contract. Therefore, minors can’t get married without parental consent. – ”

With some exceptions.
Here in the great state of GA for example, a minor female can get married without parental consent if she is knocked up. She has to go before a judge though.

Can’t have any bastErds running around now, can we? Except perhaps in the state house.

breckenridge

February 28th, 2013
12:24 pm

“Do you have a bumper sticker: “I Survived Catholic School”

Speaking of Catholics there’s a papal conclave coming up shortly. My favorite occurred way back in the year 236. That was when non-contender Pope Fabian won the papacy because a dove flew in and landed on his head. All the Cardinals stood up, pointed and yelled in unison “u da man!”

And a bit more about birds…….George W Bush claimed he was out for a walk one day, felt God tap him on the shoulder and told him to invade Iraq. I challenge anyone to disprove that it was actually a load from a low flying bird he felt on his shoulder.

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
12:24 pm

Keep: Yeah your article was amusing, but I’ve seen similar before. What was BETTER was a link I got FROM your article………..

http://www.fashionnstyle.com/articles/4902/20130206/miranda-kerr-victorias-secret-bridal-lingerie-sexy-photo.htm#page1

TBS

February 28th, 2013
12:25 pm

“You can’t use YOUR ideals and beliefs to explain MY thoughts and beliefs. – ”

Well give TC and his cornucopia of puppets some credit. They damn sure try to do just that each time they are on the blog.

Brosephus™ - She say you soul brother too beaucoup

February 28th, 2013
12:26 pm

dB

:lol: :lol:

I linked the clip from Full Metal Jacket earlier. Just couldn’t resist the tag line.

Dharma Bum

February 28th, 2013
12:26 pm

…and the blame game goes on… Democrats are just as culpable for this mess as Republicans Mr. Bookman. We have elected a bunch of spineless rats.

Lynnie Gal

February 28th, 2013
12:27 pm

Funny how the Republican parrots are running wild, claiming Obama is making up the whole “consequences of sequester” thing–the strategy just put forward by Fox & Cons. It works on the weak-minded ditto heads. I predict that when the “bogus” consequences start to hit the cons, they’ll then say, “Obama did it!”. This is the party of no-responsibility, no-heart and no-brains.

alex

February 28th, 2013
12:27 pm

@ getalife, question yourself, you’ll learn AND, in the end, know more! ” I write the truth”, ,so Jack N. how are the Lakers doing (? –(think, think, google…think)…..

Stevie Ray

February 28th, 2013
12:28 pm

In the middle

February 28th, 2013
12:21 pm

Question of the day? Better question and the one that we should be asking is “where are the commitments to reduce growth of future spending?”

Not cuts…simply and effort to stem out of control spending by all..

Brosephus™ - She say you soul brother too beaucoup

February 28th, 2013
12:28 pm

Keep @ 12:19

I read that last night and howled in laughter. That guy’s the poster child for gun control. He get’s shot with a loaded 9mm when he thought he had an unloaded .380 instead. But, he has the right to bear arms…

:lol:

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 28th, 2013
12:28 pm

Redneck Convert (R–and proud of it)

I just discovered Longboard Island Lager from Kona brewing co. out of Hawaii and I can’t seem to find it up here in this small hamlet in the N.C. Mtns.

Perhaps a good word from you can redress this oversight.

Thanks.

Towncrier

February 28th, 2013
12:29 pm

“Given your supposed extensive reading on legal subjects, you should have figured this out a long time ago.”

I was asking for a logical and not legal basis for it (please go and re-read my post), Sherlock. And it appears you have yourself not figured out that the legality of a number of things has shifted/developed and is shifting/developing rapidly. For example, abortions and gay marriage. I saw a report the other day that in the state of MA, TG students will be allowed to declare a different gender and use the restrooms of that sex. We are not in Kansas anymore, in case you haven’t noticed.

“Minors are legally incapable of entering into binding legal contracts. Marriage is, when stripped down to its legal ‘bones,’ a binding legal contract. Therefore, minors can’t get married without parental consent.”

They are certainly “capable” of entering into “binding legal contracts” – just not permitted in every case:

http://www.duhaime.org/LegalResources/Contracts/LawArticle-651/Contracts-With-Children.aspx

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
12:30 pm

How did I miss the Full Metal Jacket clip?

True story about that movie. I was just back from either Basic or Germany on leave when it came out. My brother and I saw it the first showing (afternoon) the first day. I am sitting there quoting the lines as gunny is eating butt. I can’t figure it out until the end………. based on the book, The Short Timers……….. I had read that book a million times as a teen lol. They actually followed it pretty well.

getalife

February 28th, 2013
12:30 pm

alex,

What are you mumbling about. It is very obvious the Catholic Church is gay so they should be consistent and come out for gay marriage.

barking frog

February 28th, 2013
12:31 pm

alex
be careful of discounting, it can raise the interest on your
loan…

Towncrier

February 28th, 2013
12:32 pm

“The difference is that the Office of the President as well as the person occupying that office is in my direct chain of commandment. Congress is not. The governor of Georgia or it’s legislators are not. I respect my chain of command, and by being in that spot, Obama, and Bush prior to him, earned that respect from me.”

Well, guess what? Not everyone works for the government. So we should all just shut up then?

Look before I leap...

February 28th, 2013
12:32 pm

“…and the blame game goes on… Democrats are just as culpable for this mess as Republicans Mr. Bookman. We have elected a bunch of spineless rats. – ”

Which is why I am a huge proponent of term limits.
Three 2 year terms for Congress
Two 4 year terms for the Senate
One 6 year term for President.

Muscles that don’t get decent circulation, weaken, whither and die.
I think that is what we are seeing in DC.

Ain’t gonna happen though. People don’t give up power easily and the voters who could force the issue all think THEIR guy is doing a great job.

DannyX

February 28th, 2013
12:32 pm

“I’ll give you my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead paws”

Brosephus™ - She say you soul brother too beaucoup

February 28th, 2013
12:32 pm

How did I miss the Full Metal Jacket clip?

I snuck it in earlier when nobody was watching. JHM caught it though. :)

I’ve been meaning to track down a hardcover copy of that book. I try to avoid buying paperbacks because I will wear them out. I’ve just been too lazy to get one.

alex

February 28th, 2013
12:34 pm

@ breckenridge, probably better than later elections when some of the popes were basically heads of controlling families, mabye a liitle better than contemporary mafiosa. As for Iraq, it appears to be heading into the swell of the earth again..”when will we ever learn” or perhaps it was the petrol bill from US gas guzzlers…??

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
12:34 pm

Well, guess what? Not everyone works for the government. So we should all just shut up then?

No, you should continue to give aid and comfort to the enemy by talking about your President and Country like they are particularly foul smelling pieces of dung. It’s SO American of you.

Keep Up--Borderline Civility Fighter

February 28th, 2013
12:34 pm

Fred, I am surprised she posted that so fast. I just took those photos last night at the Holiday Inn Express. :D

Bro, I am sure that our gun extremist can tell us how we can stop these dogs from getting into our schools.

DannyX

February 28th, 2013
12:35 pm

“So we should all just shut up then?”

“We”? As in all of our sock puppets?

Brosephus™ - She say you soul brother too beaucoup

February 28th, 2013
12:35 pm

Well, guess what? Not everyone works for the government. So we should all just shut up then?

Did I tell you to shut up? Nope, so why put words or suggestions in my mouth? You’re free to express your free speech, just as I am free to express mine. The right to free speech does not mean that your speech won’t get criticized though.

Seems as though you’re a bit angry there. Maybe you should take your own advice and calm down a bit. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

barking frog

February 28th, 2013
12:36 pm

Look before I leap
Which is why I am a huge proponent of term limits.
………………………………………………………………………………….
Why do you want to limit the people’s right to elect who
they want to represent them ? Remove Presidential term
limits and let the people decide freely.

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
12:36 pm

You must want that book REALLY bad Brocephus. I just googled it. I had no clue it was worth so much. That’s worth going down to see if I can steal it back from my brother…………

http://www.amazon.com/The-Short-Timers-Gustav-Hasford/dp/0060117826/ref=tmm_hrd_title_0/185-4037774-6529064

Bob

February 28th, 2013
12:37 pm

I can’t believe republicans think we should slow spending, how could we pay for stuff like this ?

The infamous Las Vegas bash held by the obscure General Services Administration wasn’t that unusual after all. The lavish 2010 conference, which cost over $800,000, had lawmakers fuming last year. But a new congressional report shows taxpayers picked up the tab for at least 894 conferences in 2012 — to the tune of $340 million.

Those figures only cover “big-ticket” conferences — or those that cost $100,000 or more — so the total figure is likely higher.”

We need to tax the rich, I heard they went to smaller size shrimp at these conferences.

Mick

February 28th, 2013
12:38 pm

Meet the sequester or the circular firing squad…

DownInAlbany

February 28th, 2013
12:38 pm

Lynnie Gal

February 28th, 2013
12:27 pm

This courtesy of the party that is STILL blaming Bush!

getalife

February 28th, 2013
12:39 pm

I think two terms is all a man or woman could handle because of the stress of the job.

Term limits on congress should have been demanded by the people after the collapse.

Doggone/GA

February 28th, 2013
12:39 pm

“Why do you want to limit the people’s right to elect who
they want to represent them ? Remove Presidential term
limits and let the people decide freely. – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/02/28/yawn-yet-another-budget-crisis-looms/?cp=5#sthash.1u3Kqdip.dpuf

I agree

Brosephus™ - She say you soul brother too beaucoup

February 28th, 2013
12:40 pm

Keep

:lol: :lol:
Next time I go to PetSmart, I may have to ask someone “Does my dog have the right to bear arms because he keeps trying to get my pistol?”

————–

“We”? As in all of our sock puppets?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPX7qleLtzc#t=00m20s

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Brosephus™ - She say you soul brother too beaucoup

February 28th, 2013
12:41 pm

Fred

That’s one of the reasons I’ve been lazy. I may have to check to see if I can get my hands on it via the public library.

Regnad Kcin

February 28th, 2013
12:41 pm

“Straight” married men do not molest boys. Bisexual or mostly gay ones do if their “orientation” is children.

There is so much wrong with that ^^^ I don’t know where to begin… :(

mm

February 28th, 2013
12:43 pm

“Get that info from an edited/doctored video on MSNBC or something? He said he was a Conservative.”

Hannity said he was a registered independant, but he was also a conservative.

Geez, cons hate facts.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 28th, 2013
12:43 pm

Towncrier — “I was asking for a logical and not legal basis for it (please go and re-read my post), Sherlock.”

Listen, Chimpleton, there’s nothing so magical about you or your writing that you always communicate your intent to all readers with 100% clarity, and there’s nothing so magical about your reasoning faculties that you automatically understand what everyone else here says or means with 100% accuracy.

So you can take that “Sherlock” garbage and shove it where the sun never shines.

“And it appears you have yourself not figured out that the legality of a number of things has shifted/developed and is shifting/developing rapidly.”

Irrelevant; you asked about marriage and minors. If you wanted to cast the net more widely, you need only have asked. Your snide and insulting response is unnecessary and unwarranted.

“For example, abortions and gay marriage. I saw a report the other day that in the state of MA, TG students will be allowed to declare a different gender and use the restrooms of that sex. We are not in Kansas anymore, in case you haven’t noticed.”

Irrelevant; you asked about marriage and minors. If you wanted to cast the net more widely, you need only have asked. Your snide and insulting response is unnecessary and unwarranted.

“They are certainly “capable” of entering into “binding legal contracts”

Since I was applying the word “capable” in its legal sense and usage and since you don’t have any formal legal education, your confusion and lack of understanding is expected and noted.

Towncrier

February 28th, 2013
12:43 pm

“Did I tell you to shut up? Nope, so why put words or suggestions in my mouth? You’re free to express your free speech, just as I am free to express mine. The right to free speech does not mean that your speech won’t get criticized though.”

That wasn’t my point. I was saying that you cannot really expect others (not in the military) to not be able to harshly criticize a person who is supposed to be working for them. The POTUS and Congress ultimately work for and should be serving the people who elected them. In other words, don’t get rankled when people criticize Obama just because you feel they should not disrespect him – they are not in the government like you are and have every right to call him on the proverbial carpet.

“Seems as though you’re a bit angry there. Maybe you should take your own advice and calm down a bit.”

Not really, though I can see why you might interpret it that way.

barking frog

February 28th, 2013
12:43 pm

getalife
President Roosevelt, suffering the results of polio, was elected
four times, and in a Depression and WW2, served ably.

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
12:45 pm

That’s one of the reasons I’ve been lazy. I may have to check to see if I can get my hands on it via the public library.

You are going to steal a book from the library? Are you SURE you aren’t a Republican?

Joe Hussein Mama

February 28th, 2013
12:46 pm

Brosephus — “Did I tell you to shut up? Nope, so why put words or suggestions in my mouth?”

Because that’s part of his regular routine. From what I can tell, he prefers to misrepresent the positions and arguments of others rather than asking them to clarify themselves. I personally believe that it belies a central lack of honesty on his part.

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

February 28th, 2013
12:46 pm

Why do you want to limit the people’s right to elect who
they want to represent them ? Remove Presidential term
limits and let the people decide freely.

I say no limit to the number of terms, just the number of successive terms. Say 2. There is no doubt an electoral advantage to being the incumbent. If the politician is any good, he/she can be re-elected after sitting out a term.

Doggone/GA

February 28th, 2013
12:47 pm

“You must want that book REALLY bad Brocephus”

Reminds me of a dog book I had. I was going to give it away, but after a while I realized it might be a long time before I say the person I was going to give it to, so I decdied to put in on eBay. I bought it for $10 and sold it for over $150!

mm

February 28th, 2013
12:48 pm

Well, the cons in the house got spanked again. They just passed the senate version of the VAWA.

Doggone/GA

February 28th, 2013
12:48 pm

“I think two terms is all a man or woman could handle because of the stress of the job. – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/02/28/yawn-yet-another-budget-crisis-looms/?cp=5#comment-1246515

then they don’t have to run for re-election, do they?

Stevie Ray

February 28th, 2013
12:49 pm

Brosephus™ – She say you soul brother too beaucoup

February 28th, 2013
12:24 pm

Guilty as charged….thats fun except seems very little give and take…at least I get my ya ya’s out as the rolling stones would say.

getalife

February 28th, 2013
12:49 pm

frog,

He did not have to deal with corporate media or a unhinged gop.

appleseed

February 28th, 2013
12:50 pm

Obama and congress don’t live in Chicago either(I would think they would have some interest there,but you just a mouthpiece have no interest there publicaly.Ha Cute cartoon……………

TiredOfIt

February 28th, 2013
12:50 pm

Get Real
February 28th, 2013
9:32 am
Obama already has gotten his revenue Jay, now is the time for “real cuts”. BTW, I believe the public is finely wising up to the Campaigner-in-Chief especially with all the theatrical scare tactics that have been going on over the last 2-3 weeks… the well is running dry on public stupidity which is bad for your pal Obama
++
And you got your cuts! The GOP ran political ads stating that the President cut 700+ billion from Medicare. They wouldn’t lie would they?

Doggone/GA

February 28th, 2013
12:51 pm

President Roosevelt, suffering the results of polio, was elected
four times, and in a Depression and WW2, served ably. – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/02/28/yawn-yet-another-budget-crisis-looms/?cp=5#sthash.2oF6hnWG.dpuf

And never mind that he visibly aged greatly, and died early in his 4th term.

JamVet

February 28th, 2013
12:51 pm

Sorry for trying to keep our country for going over a cliff.

RIIIIIGHT!

So says the rubes who voted for George “This sucker could go down!” Bush.

Too damn funny.

I’m just not sure if it is longstanding dementia or early Alzheimer’s…

getalife

February 28th, 2013
12:51 pm

mm,

Another accomplishment for President Obama.

The house should pass the Senate’s bill on cuts too.

barking frog

February 28th, 2013
12:51 pm

getalife
history of FDR will tell you that things are actually much better now.

Towncrier

February 28th, 2013
12:53 pm

“So you can take that “Sherlock” garbage and shove it where the sun never shines.”

Oh, oh. Someone got their “fee fees” (is that how you put it?) hurt.

“Irrelevant; you asked about marriage and minors.”

Sorry. I don’t agree. Before a legal argument can be made, there must be a position of some sort. That is why I was asking for a LOGICAL reason why minors should not be allowed to marry if they can have sex, procreate or have an abortion, drive (and possibly kill others in the process) or declare another gender. I don’t see any. I think in time we may see the LEGAL rationale change.

“If you wanted to cast the net more widely, you need only have asked.”

It has now been cast.

“Your snide and insulting response is unnecessary and unwarranted.”

Then, by definition, so must yours be.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

February 28th, 2013
12:53 pm

MORE CHICAGO THUGGERY !

Jay ……….. you had better have Luckovich check into this ……… somethings up !!

“A day after The Washington Post’s Bob Woodward insisted he was “threatened” by a senior White House official, a former Clinton aide turned columnist says his publication was once threatened by the Obama White House as well.

Lanny Davis, formerly a special counsel to President Bill Clinton, told WMAL’s Brian Wilson and Larry O’Connor that a White House official once threatened to have The Washington Times’ White House credentials revoked over columns Davis had written.

Davis says his editor “received a phone call from a senior Obama White House official who didn’t like some of my columns, even though I’m a supporter of Obama. I couldn’t imagine why this call was made.”

http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/28/former-clinton-aide-turned-columnist-says-white-house-threatened-his-publication-too-audio/

Look before I leap...

February 28th, 2013
12:54 pm

@barking frog

2 reasons and neither of them is based on a desire to limit anyone’s right to elect who they want (though that would be the result). I liken it to amputating a gangrenous limb. The goal is not to remove the limb, it is to save the patient by preventing the spread of infection.

My reasons:
1. Limit the fear factor that comes from constantly trying to get re-elected. Free the members up to actually get something done. If you know your time is limited, you may be likely to try and get more done in the time you have. Think “bucket list” Legacies should not be based on longevity.

2. Limit the decay that sets in and the entrenchment of ideological leadership that promotes centralization and establishment of power bases that come with mutual political hand-jobs.
I grew up in DC – both my parents were hip-deep in the machinations that constitute federal politics. It is (to my way of thinking) a fetid arena surrounded by well lit marble monuments. Stay around too long and one begins to stink.
I don’t think the founding fathers envisioned the concept of career politicians. They thought folks would come in, do the job, serve the republic and move onto something else.

stands for decibels - tagline available for rent

February 28th, 2013
12:55 pm

he visibly aged greatly

I guess I never realized he was only 63 when he died. Dang.

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godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

February 28th, 2013
12:59 pm

And never mind that he visibly aged greatly, and died early in his 4th term.

And about gave away the farm at Yalta.

getalife

February 28th, 2013
12:59 pm

wienie sheets.

Look before I leap...

February 28th, 2013
1:01 pm

““Straight” married men do not molest boys. Bisexual or mostly gay ones do if their “orientation” is children.

“There is so much wrong with that ^^^ I don’t know where to begin…”

Start with the fact that it is untrue and go from there.

ideasbm

February 28th, 2013
1:01 pm

First of the cartoon is wrong. The elephant should have been a donkey or as-. Funny how you can turn things around both Bookman and the cartoon wizard…..

Morality?

February 28th, 2013
1:01 pm

YAWN …. more lies from the Obama administration about cutting the deficit when all they do is EXPAND the deficit and the spending. Jay is going to yawn all the way over the CLIFF until he hits bottom – then MAYBE – just MAYBE he will realize that he has been betting on the wrong pony.

stands for decibels - tagline available for rent

February 28th, 2013
1:01 pm

wienie sheets.

Oh, I am so looking forward to this… Dish, Jay, dish!

barking frog

February 28th, 2013
1:01 pm

Look before I leap
I grew up in Tennessee where they had succession limits
for governor and where placeholders served often.
The founding fathers were highly conscious of power abuse
and chose to allow the people to decide who the office
holders would be at each election.

TiredOfIt

February 28th, 2013
1:02 pm

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 28th, 2013
12:53 pm
MORE CHICAGO THUGGERY !
Jay ……….. you had better have Luckovich check into this ……… somethings up !!
“A day after The Washington Post’s Bob Woodward insisted he was “threatened” by a senior White House official, a former Clinton aide turned columnist says his publication was once threatened by the Obama White House as well.
++
Woodward lied.

Doggone/GA

February 28th, 2013
1:02 pm

“My reasons:
1. Limit the fear factor that comes from constantly trying to get re-elected. Free the members up to actually get something done. If you know your time is limited, you may be likely to try and get more done in the time you have. Think “bucket list” Legacies should not be based on longevity.”

Or you can sit back on your ass, knowing that unless you break the law or something equally seriously, you’ve got a cushy job and paycheck for the rest of your term. Gives you the time and leisure to find a cushy job to go to once you’re out offfice

“2. Limit the decay that sets in and the entrenchment of ideological leadership that promotes centralization and establishment of power bases that come with mutual political hand-jobs.
I grew up in DC – both my parents were hip-deep in the machinations that constitute federal politics. It is (to my way of thinking) a fetid arena surrounded by well lit marble monuments. Stay around too long and one begins to stink.
I don’t think the founding fathers envisioned the concept of career politicians. They thought folks would come in, do the job, serve the republic and move onto something else.
– See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/02/28/yawn-yet-another-budget-crisis-looms/?cp=6#sthash.7ROQsJwR.dpuf

Considering that some of the Founding Fathers envisioned Washington being a President for LIfe, I think it’s safe to say they knew all they needed to know about career politicians.

I’m adamantly against term limits because it’s “throwing the baby out with the bathwater” – you are forcing the good ones to leave, as well as the bad ones.

Morality?

February 28th, 2013
1:04 pm

CUT CUT CUT …….. one way or the other Obama is going to be forced to reduce spending and he will scream and whine all the way.

Towncrier

February 28th, 2013
1:05 pm

“Because that’s part of his regular routine. From what I can tell, he prefers to misrepresent the positions and arguments of others rather than asking them to clarify themselves. I personally believe that it belies a central lack of honesty on his part.”

LOL. That is part of ALL or our “regular routine” – it’s called jumping to conclusions. I will admit I do that – who wouldn’t? And most of us here are operating to some extent upon impressions formed over time (just as you are in the above quoted post). I told Brosephus exactly why I took him for a liberal rather than an independent as he claimed. He admitted to being left-leaning (which is fine though I am not sure how left you can be and still be an “independent”) and explained his (to me) puzzling “defense” of the president at times. And most of us are blind to some extent to out own hypocrisy and failings – which is a lack of honesty – you included.

TiredOfIt

February 28th, 2013
1:06 pm

Morality?
February 28th, 2013
1:04 pm
CUT CUT CUT …….. one way or the other Obama is going to be forced to reduce spending and he will scream and whine all the way.
++
One more time: And you got your cuts! The GOP ran political ads stating that the President cut 700+ billion from Medicare.

BSNBC

February 28th, 2013
1:07 pm

Obama is getting a lot like Nixon now!

Joe Hussein Mama

February 28th, 2013
1:08 pm

Towncrier — “Oh, oh. Someone got their “fee fees” (is that how you put it?) hurt.”

Nope. Just giving you what you’re dishing out. Behave politely and I’ll treat you politely. Be a Richard, and I’ll deal Richard right back at you.

“Irrelevant; you asked about marriage and minors.”

“Sorry. I don’t agree.”

Let’s go to the tape! :D

BTW, a question for the liberals here: if a teenage girl can get contraceptives or an abortion without parental consent, why can she not also marry without consent? On what logical grounds should she not be able to do so?

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/02/28/yawn-yet-another-budget-crisis-looms/?cp=5#comment-1246427

Sorry, Punkin. Looks like that’s *exactly* what you were asking about.

“It has now been cast.”

Kindly ask *before* issuing the snide responses.

“Then, by definition, so must yours be.”

Denied. Once again, I’ll treat you the way you treat me. If you can’t play nicely and you don’t want to be addressed rudely by me, then I suggest you take a hike, shave off the rough edges and thorns you came in here with, and then return to give things another try.

Once again, TC, if you want a polite intellectual discussion from me, I am more than willing and capable of giving you one. However, you’re going to have to change your behavior. If someone misses a key provision in what you’ve said or asked, then *politely* draw them back to it instead of being a Richard. And if someone tells you that you’re missing or misstating their point, don’t be a Richard and stand your ground.

Polite, adult collegial conversation requires polite, adult and collegial behavior from all parties concerned. And if you’re not willing to put forth the effort to do that, then I see no reason why I should be expected to do so.

Towncrier

February 28th, 2013
1:08 pm

“I’m adamantly against term limits because it’s “throwing the baby out with the bathwater” – you are forcing the good ones to leave, as well as the bad ones.”

How do you feel about the (now rescinded) ability of states to “recall” (replace) Senators in mid term? Or is there any other mechanism besides our vote you would be comfortable with as a means of getting of bad and keeping the good?

Shine

February 28th, 2013
1:08 pm

I dont get all the “blaming” each other. To their credit, both sides agreed to this and Obama signed it. Finally, a good job. :-)

Joe Hussein Mama

February 28th, 2013
1:11 pm

Towncrier — “LOL. That is part of ALL or our “regular routine” – it’s called jumping to conclusions. I will admit I do that – who wouldn’t?”

You don’t just jump to conclusions. You *insist* that your misunderstanding is correct. And I have *never* seen you ask for clarification on a point, *even when you are directly TOLD* that you’ve missed someone’s point.

“And most of us here are operating to some extent upon impressions formed over time (just as you are in the above quoted post). I told Brosephus exactly why I took him for a liberal rather than an independent as he claimed.”

That’s fine; I have no quarrel with that.

“He admitted to being left-leaning (which is fine though I am not sure how left you can be and still be an “independent”) and explained his (to me) puzzling “defense” of the president at times.”

Whether his ‘defense’ is puzzling to you or not is irrelevant. It’s not necessary for *you* to understand *his* reasoning and motivations.

“And most of us are blind to some extent to out own hypocrisy and failings – which is a lack of honesty – you included.”

I’ve never been anything but honest here and I challenge you to prove otherwise.

Brosephus™ - She say you soul brother too beaucoup

February 28th, 2013
1:12 pm

I was saying that you cannot really expect others (not in the military) to not be able to harshly criticize a person who is supposed to be working for them.

I’ve never stated that I didn’t expect others to harshly criticize anybody. You started this yourself by accusing me of always defending Obama. I’ve never once said that I didn’t expect others to not criticize him. I go to work every day to defend people’s right to criticize him.

Seems as though you’re jousting windmills today. You’re debating things that I have not stated.

The POTUS and Congress ultimately work for and should be serving the people who elected them. In other words, don’t get rankled when people criticize Obama just because you feel they should not disrespect him

Notice that you, yourself, claim that the POTUS AND Congress work for the people. Then you go right back to focusing on Obama. My posts have been to suggest that Congress should be taking heat for this while everybody’s focused on whether or not it’s Obama’s fault. I guess that somehow, with twisted logic, you see that as a defense of Obama when it’s not. It’s to point out that one person didn’t cause this mess so one person should not be taking the blame.

Stevie Ray

February 28th, 2013
1:14 pm

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

February 28th, 2013
12:53 pm

Yup….Woodward is posing a credible, non partsan, and meaningful challenge to BO…Without challenge, what do we really know eh?

Morality?

February 28th, 2013
1:14 pm

The only thing that will reverse the fast approaching “GREAT DEPRESSION PART II” is TERM LIMITS for Congress and a BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT to the CONSTITUTION. The politicians (on both sides) in Disney World North, aka D.C., are PARTY LOYALISTS and put their party ahead of the FISCAL survival and loyalty of the USA. Time to throw out the long time bums with their hands out to lobbyists, kick backs and payoffs. Time for USA loyalists and what is best for the FISCAL survival of the USA. Time to put the USA front and center. Every thing else must wait – without the FISCAL survival of the USA there will be NO SOCIALIST social programs.

Look before I leap...

February 28th, 2013
1:15 pm

“I’m adamantly against term limits because it’s “throwing the baby out with the bathwater” – you are forcing the good ones to leave, as well as the bad ones. – ”

Perhaps, but color me cynical, term limits would force the good ones out before they turn into the bad ones. The amount of power and money concentrated in DC is so corrosive, it can tarnish even the saintliest of souls.

5 more minutes on the Death Star and even Luke Skywalker would have turned to the Dark Side.

JKL2

February 28th, 2013
1:16 pm

TBS-Problem is that they know that like the President it wasn’t good law when they approved it and the President signed it.

Nancy Pelosi says,”What?”.

You explained the President’s first term in one sentence.

Towncrier

February 28th, 2013
1:18 pm

“Denied. Once again, I’ll treat you the way you treat me. If you can’t play nicely and you don’t want to be addressed rudely by me, then I suggest you take a hike, shave off the rough edges and thorns you came in here with, and then return to give things another try.”

Fail. If it can be shown just once (which would be easy given the expansive blog record) that you acted uncivilly without provocation, your premise would be invalidated and claim shown to be hypocritical. This “you did it first!” defense of your behavior shows 1) you fail to see and acknowledge your own bad behavior and 2) you are a hypocrite. It’s almost amusing how you lecture me on civility when you yourself are often uncivil without any provocation. Do yourself a favor and try to deny this or I may be compelled to prove you wrong in a very big way.

Morality?

February 28th, 2013
1:18 pm

“Obama is going to cut billions from medicare” …….. not willingly for sure. The only thing Obama has cut since he has been in office is WIND….. and it still smells up there in D.C.

mm

February 28th, 2013
1:21 pm

“just MAYBE he will realize that he has been betting on the wrong pony.”

Cons are like Christians. Their goal in life is to convert everyone.

Morality?

February 28th, 2013
1:22 pm

Them DEMS are very thin skinned when it comes to constructive criticism. Squirm like worms in a fishing bucket when you mention CUTS or reducing the deficit. I would start cutting with the Congress by reducing their pay 10% every year until they pass a budget that will reduce the deficit.

Look before I leap...

February 28th, 2013
1:25 pm

“1) you fail to see and acknowledge your own bad behavior and 2) you are a hypocrite. -”

Regardless of Bro’s position or alleged attacks on you, give credit where credit is due. He posts here under only 1 name.

jarvis

February 28th, 2013
1:27 pm

If you step on a man’s while he’s down, he has more incentive to get up.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 28th, 2013
1:27 pm

Towncrier — “Fail.”

Rejected.

“If it can be shown just once (which would be easy given the expansive blog record) that you acted uncivilly without provocation, your premise would be invalidated and claim shown to be hypocritical.”

You just don’t get it, TC. You’re completely missing the point.

“This “you did it first!” defense of your behavior”

This is what you fail to understand. I’m not *defending* my behavior. I’m *explaining* it. If you don’t like it, too effing bad.

“shows 1) you fail to see and acknowledge your own bad behavior”

Denied. In fact, I freely acknowledge and and I tell you now that I’ll do it again if I see fit.

“and 2) you are a hypocrite.”

Impossible, given that I have made no promise of uninterrupted politeness. You really *are* quite bad at this, TC.

“It’s almost amusing how you lecture me on civility when you yourself are often uncivil without any provocation.”

Once again, young man, other people aren’t under any obligation to use your yardstick. *You* don’t get to determine what *I* find to be rude and/or uncivil.

“Do yourself a favor and try to deny this or I may be compelled to prove you wrong in a very big way.”

Son, you don’t even understand what I’m saying to you — and once again, you’re employing your speak-for-others methodology. You’re not going to be able to ‘prove me wrong’ because you don’t speak for me, TC. That said, bring. it. on.

Morality?

February 28th, 2013
1:30 pm

mm – I am a FISCAL conservative and did not vote “W” or Obama ’cause they are run- a – muck big spending FISCAL LIBERALS. Yes it is a Christian’s goal to bring anyone willing to listen to God and salvation in heaven. It is misleading for you to link Christians to “Cons” as you call them. Even if you don’t want to admit it there are plenty of Christians in the Dem party that voted Obama and there are Repubs that aren’t Christians. God gave you the free will to decide your own future – be it heaven or hell – or as atheists believe – nothing. Which would you prefer?

Morality?

February 28th, 2013
1:39 pm

Jay – down play the debt crisis if you wish by being an alarmist carrying out “smoke and mirrors” tactics like so called “immigration reform” and same sex marriage, etc, etc, etc…….. the fact still remains – we are in a world wide financial crisis headed toward the Obama “G P II” with no plan to slow this disaster down. Obama will go down in history as Herbert Hoover of the 21st Century.

Towncrier

February 28th, 2013
1:46 pm

“My posts have been to suggest that Congress should be taking heat for this while everybody’s focused on whether or not it’s Obama’s fault.”

I agree fully there. Anyone who thinks all of our 16T debt, or our economic woes are Obama’s fault is a partisan nut (just like those who felt Bush was responsible for everything).

I have come to strongly dislike Obama as a person because I have come, based on all of the evidence, to see him as sneaky and duplicitous. I think he is trying to bring about a lot of change to our country that I personally think will be deleterious and, because this change probably would not sit well with the majority in America, he is doing it as much as he can on the sly (such as bringing about national healthcare by pushing a bill that will eventually lead us there) and through deception. If you look at what he has said in the past and compare it to what he is doing now, you might begin to see what I am saying. He scares me because he was a winning way of talking – almost like a regular Joe at times – that beguiles people. Maybe that is why he relies so heavily upon campaigning even when he has already won the election. He is pushing his agenda publicly rather than solving problems. I mean, does anyone with real knowledge really think closing loopholes for “corporate jet owners” is going to do anything to solve our debt problems – it is a miniscule amount. But there he is, all of the time harping on an insignificant point to persuade unthinking people. I really think he is trying to win the House in 2014 so he can pass objectionable legislation he can’t now and that his stance on the Sequester (and so on) is all about painting the GOP in a bad light.

You should advise HIM to put our country first.

Arthur

February 28th, 2013
1:51 pm

The embarrasement that we now call Federal government has bankrupted our country with overspending of 6 trillion in the last 5 years, creating the USA as the largest debtor country on the planet and enslaving us to the now #2Economy China soon to surpass the USA as the undisputed world Economic Power by 2020. WE have followed the USSR into a country wracked by a war that cost 3 trillion over last 11 years and did abolutely nothing for our country other than to kill 10,000 of our young men and women for zero benefit. The USSR collapsed into Econmic ruin and a divided many nation ethnic mess after their disaster in Afghanistan and we are stepping into their footsteps exactly with a pending nightmare of rising prices then devalued dollar.. hyperinflation and complete collapse. The disgraceful no efforts by our elected officials are in fact treason to the US constitution and all elected officials in DC should be kicked out with zero pension or benefits..

Think about them when you go to store to pay 3.78.for a gallon of gas/ double what is what in 2008… Food cost now at 20% higher than 2 years ago medical care and insurance costs up by 15 % with unaffordable status for fully 1/3 of Americans and a permanent 50,000,000 people out of 315million now classified as below poverty level. Thanks alot to the incompetents that have run the USA into the ground!!

My parents were both Military officers and would turn over in their graves if they could see the Dont ask dont tell Gay love Military let sick Muslims shoot our men and women at Fort Hood Texas and cry poor babies! Prepeare for the pending collapse with Both East and West coast cities burning and the only US survivors in the Mid West and Mountain States .

guy

February 28th, 2013
1:56 pm

There is a huge ‘crisis” coming that will make this look like a walk in the park. Long overdue due to wasteful spending. This can’t continue,cons and crats!

Towncrier

February 28th, 2013
1:56 pm

“This is what you fail to understand. I’m not *defending* my behavior. I’m *explaining* it. If you don’t like it, too effing bad.”

It sure seemed like you were objecting to mine and then defending yours in the process. In any case, I guess mine is too bad for you as well – right?

“Impossible, given that I have made no promise of uninterrupted politeness. You really *are* quite bad at this, TC.”

Umm…a hypocrite is someone who condemns others for doing things they themselves do – not breaking a “promise”. Etymologically, it means to “judge beneath”. You knew that, right?

“Once again, young man, other people aren’t under any obligation to use your yardstick. *You* don’t get to determine what *I* find to be rude and/or uncivil.”

ROFL. So why do you continually try to determine what civility is for me, to get me to converse in a “civil” manner?

Well, I think this is a dead horse at this point. It has devolved into the ridiculous. I shan’t debate further.

Towncrier

February 28th, 2013
1:57 pm

Gotta go for a bit…

Markooo

February 28th, 2013
2:00 pm

But Jay, there’s a chance taxes might go up again and we all know how much you love tax increases. How can you be bored?

Brosephus™ - She say you soul brother too beaucoup

February 28th, 2013
2:04 pm

I have come to strongly dislike Obama as a person because I have come, based on all of the evidence, to see him as sneaky and duplicitous.

That’s your right. I’ve actually gained more respect for him over time. I still think he has the spine of a sour gummi bear, but for all the “boogeyman” qualities that people try to put on him (even by your national healthcare issue), he’s governed as a center-right president. He’s been pro-war. He’s the one that offered to put entitlements on the table, much to the chagrin to the Left that elected him. He’s advocated supply-sided economic policies with several different tax cuts.

When you focus on negative, you will get a negative view of a person. When you focus on positive, you will get a positive view. Only when you quit focusing on one thing and look at the totality of actions will you begin to see the true nature of a person.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 28th, 2013
2:21 pm

“It sure seemed like you were objecting to mine and then defending yours in the process.”

Let’s see if you can follow this simple if-then process, TC. IF you treat me politely, THEN I will be polite to you in return. However, IF you treat me rudely, THEN I will return that rudeness back to you.

Ever seen me post that before? How many dozens of times?

It’s very simple, and not hypocritical at all. In fact, in its essence, it says ‘I give what I get.’ It doesn’t say ‘I’ll put up with your s**t for a long time.’ THAT would be hypocritical IMO.

“In any case, I guess mine is too bad for you as well – right?”

You can behave however you please. And I’ve indicated how I will respond to behavior from others; you and others are free to treat me however you please and with full knowledge of what you are likely to receive from me in in turn. It’s as simple as that.

“Umm…a hypocrite is someone who condemns others for doing things they themselves do – not breaking a “promise”.

(laughing) :D

I’ve told you that *I’ll* treat *you* in the same way that *you* treat *me.* There’s no hypocrisy in there, son. I haven’t promised or sworn to be polite, and I haven’t *directed* you to be polite, either. I’ve simply told you that I’ll be polite when treated so, and rude when treated that way. There’s not a whit of hypocrisy in there. (giggling) :D

“Etymologically, it means to “judge beneath”. You knew that, right?”

Certainly! And be sure to tell me where there’s any ‘judging beneath’ when I say that I’ll treat you the same way you treat me! (laughing, pointing) :D

“ROFL. So why do you continually try to determine what civility is for me”

I’ve never done any such thing.

I’ve told *you* when *I* think you’ve been rude to me, and I’ve repeatedly invited *you* to tell *me* when you think I’ve been rude to you. In fact, I last did that during our discussion of the Second Amendment.

It has become quite clear to me that you will be rude and uncivil — whether you’re doing it intentionally or unintentionally, I can’t say — quite frequently when you become frustrated in discussions. Frankly, I don’t think you have it in you to be civil over the course of an extended discussion where significant differences of opinion remain.

“to get me to converse in a “civil” manner?”

If you *don’t* want to converse civilly with me, then don’t do so. It’s really that simple. But if that’s what you want, then don’t complain that you’re being treated rudely. Once again, with me, you’ll get what you give. But that being said, I’m not trying to *force* you to do anything. I simply don’t believe that I’m under any obligation to be pleasant and polite to people who are being Richards to me. You may, of course, have a different view, and if so, you’re certainly welcome to it. However, I think I’ve made it clear to you how I’ll handle such a situation.

Now, if you prefer that we go on being rude to each other, that’s fine. Simply say so, and I’ll stop mentioning your rudeness and suggesting that you behave with greater decorum. Then we can just kick the bulletin-board stuffings out of each other to our hearts’ content.

“Well, I think this is a dead horse at this point. It has devolved into the ridiculous. I shan’t debate further.”

Oh, come now. You hadn’t even *begun.* :D

Lt Col Razorback

February 28th, 2013
2:46 pm

Jay,

“To get past that crisis, Washington created the sequester,” isn’t exactly accurate. The quote should actually say, “To get past that crisis, President Obama created the sequester.” The refusal of the Democrat-lead Senate to pass a budget (which they haven’t done in four years) is only compounding the economic woes of the U S of A.

Politicians, be they donkeys or elephants, should be locked up in the Senate chamber and not let out without a passed budget in hand. Their salaries should also be the very first thing to be sequestered. Someone – anyone – should sue the Senate for dereliction of duty and the Supreme Court should throw every Democrat Senator out into the street! :) Maybe then they would realize the damage they have done – but I doubt it.

catlady

February 28th, 2013
2:53 pm

I would call it more than intrangidence

JKL2

February 28th, 2013
3:27 pm

LTC- Politicians, be they donkeys or elephants, should be locked up in the Senate chamber and not let out without a passed budget in hand

If we had a leader in the White House, he would have done that a long time ago. For someone known as a great orator, his interpersonal and communication skills suck.

Ben

February 28th, 2013
4:01 pm

It’s really the same budget crisis. Democrats have convinced America that all the emergency stimulus spending and bailout spending are part of the new spending baseline, and then make their changes from that inflated number.

You wanna see how they are spending like drunken sailors? Compare spending in 2007, the last year without stimulus spending and other emergency measures, to 2012. Skyrocketed, far, far faster than population growth plus inflation. And they’ve convinced the left wing to ignore the fact that those trillions were supposed to be one time additional spending measures, not every year bonus money for the left to flush down the toilet.

I see no reason other than intransigence that spending couldn’t be cut back to 2007 levels (plus additional equivalent to population growth plus inflation), but it will never happen. Obama and the Democrats would have to be honest first, and the left wing citizenry will have to see the truth instead of the lies about spending Obama has been allowing them to believe.

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (aka "Knuckle-Dragger")

February 28th, 2013
5:52 pm

It would be preferable to shut the government down, period. Give everybody a break from democrat shenanigans for a while. Maybe we can sell Washington, DC to the Chinese and pay down the debt some.

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