Yawn … yet another budget crisis looms

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When a picture is worth a thousand words, go with the picture.

As my colleague Mike Luckovich depicts so well, the sequester is yet another in what is now seems like a never-ending series of artificial budget crises in Washington. What was once extraordinary has become ordinary.

The sequester, for example, is the bastard child of a previous crisis in 2011, when Republicans threatened to push the country into default by refusing to raise the debt ceiling. To get past that crisis, Washington created the sequester, timing the new crisis for after the election and designing it to be so painful to both parties that when the time came, Democrats and Republicans would surely be forced to compromise to avoid it.

They underestimated their own — or each other’s — intransigence. House Republicans have passed a plan to replace the sequester by gutting a series of government poverty and social service programs, in other words putting the burden entirely on those already suffering It contains no new revenue and no cuts in defense.

Democrats, on the other hand, propose a mixture of cuts and revenue increases, with President Obama committing publicly to a ratio of two dollars in cuts for one dollar in new revenue.

But never the twain shall meet, apparently.

Business Insider conducted an interesting poll, asking 550 people which of three proposed budget solutions they prefer. The plans were taken from proposals by House Republicans, the House Progressive Caucus and Senate Democrats, although those polled were not told where the plans originated.

Here’s what the poll found:

Surprisingly, the plan that polled the strongest was the House Progressive Caucus plan. More than half of respondents supported it compared to sequestration and just a fifth of respondents were opposed….

Shockingly, 47 percent of Republicans preferred the House Progressive plan to the sequester. This means that Republicans supported the House Progressive plan just as much as they supported their own party’s plan…. Opposition to the House Republican plan was strong, with 57 percent preferring the sequester to that plan.

– Jay Bookman

562 comments Add your comment

Maximum_Bob

February 28th, 2013
8:14 am

Republicans are committed to killing our government, one way or another.

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
8:15 am

I like Luck’s cartoon today. I found it to be appropriate.

Lord Help Us

February 28th, 2013
8:15 am

Until their base performs gets mass lobotomized or electro-shock therapy to rid themselves of fevered wingnut fantasies, the GOP will continue its descent.

The ‘base’ is flippin whacked out…

stands for decibels - Race Traitor!

February 28th, 2013
8:15 am

is the b-stard child of a previous crisis in 2011

ooh, I’m telling the bluenose!

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
8:15 am

What was the joke made the other day about reading the article before posting and NOT being “first” as a consequence lol?

stands for decibels - Race Traitor!

February 28th, 2013
8:17 am

Democrats, on the other hand, propose a mixture of cuts and revenue increases

friggin idiots that they are…

JKL2

February 28th, 2013
8:19 am

The evil Republicans are going to take away your health care, social security, food stamps, poison your water…Yawn.

obama and the Demwits should be called the “Chicken Little” party. Not to worry as the 47% sheeple eat it up.

stands for decibels - Race Traitor!

February 28th, 2013
8:20 am

Surprisingly, the plan that polled the strongest was the House Progressive Caucus plan

Not surprising to anyone who’s read issue polling over the past twenty years.

Thomas heyward Jr

February 28th, 2013
8:21 am

One shouldn’t really Yawn.
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Fake austerity ………….which seizes wealth to pay central Banksters ………….will touch you too.
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And it’s not gonna be a loving touch.

Vinny

February 28th, 2013
8:22 am

Que the bedwetters.

Obama – The boy who cried wolf …..

JKL2

February 28th, 2013
8:22 am

-Democrats, on the other hand, propose a mixture of cuts and revenue increases

Still waiting on anyone to explain to me how a tax increase is considered a budget cut?

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
8:23 am

obama and the Demwits should be called the “Chicken Little” party. Not to worry as the 47% sheeple eat it up.

Just as they parrot FOXBOT lies, JLK@ exhibits that they will steal others words as well. Not an original thought in their head.

Oh, I know, it’s just “coincidence” that he uses Chicken Little minutes after I use it downstairs……… it’s always a “coincidence” with them, their FOXBOT repetitions and plagiarism.

stands for decibels - Race Traitor!

February 28th, 2013
8:24 am

I’m going to go there again:

Shockingly, 47 percent of Republicans preferred the House Progressive plan to the sequester.

Why is it “shocking” that actual Americans are far, far more progressive, rational, and decent, than the horrible, horrible people who rule us?

Let’s review the “progressive” plan:

The House Progressive Caucus plan replaces the entire sequester with a new plan with equivalent savings. It accomplishes this by ending subsidies to fossil fuel companies, closing several tax loopholes, cutting the corporate meal and entertainment tax deduction at 25 percent, and enacting a 28 percent limit on certain tax deductions and extensions.

What kind of idiot opposes that? Who in their right mind DOESN’T think the stupid f-cking sequester needs to be repealed, taken out back and shot?

(Not that this makes me angry or anything.)

Stevie Ray

February 28th, 2013
8:24 am

JAY

Only and best option right now is to go off cliff. It will give BO more opportunities to bring the alledgedly downtrodden folks on the stage….possibly even on TV. It will give the GOP an opportunity to get flushed should the hysteria be remotely accurate.

We can afford 85 billion…you exaggerate with all those poor and hurting folks who would suffer. The waste in these programs alone will cover the proposed delay in increases in costs (not cuts). Heck your guy identified a bunch of waste in both entitlements and the like…did those evaporate?

Depsite all this sad sales tricks, we will increase spending next year regardless.

stands for decibels - Race Traitor!

February 28th, 2013
8:26 am

We can afford 85 billion…

And shooting yourself in the foot is fun! And f-ck the unemployed–they need to work for less, dammit.

Recon 0311 2533

February 28th, 2013
8:28 am

What lame spin and unadulterated B.S. The president has put forth nothing other than his call for a “balanced approach”. “Balance” is his code word for more tax revenue from those who the left believes provide an endless source. He hasn’t proposed any real spending cuts nor have the Senate Democrats. Obama is only playing politics to appease his base and hurting the country by doing so.

JohnnyReb

February 28th, 2013
8:29 am

I’m with Rush. Obama’s chicken little act is embarrassing.

BTW – it’s an easy poll that produces results to take the money from someone else, leave mine alone.
Even Repubs fall for that one.

stands for decibels - Race Traitor!

February 28th, 2013
8:30 am

Stevie Ray

February 28th, 2013
8:30 am

Will BO still require armed services to buy biofuels at costs several times more than conventional fuels?

Also lest we forget, BO et al have bogus accounting tricks to make any reductions in growth evaporate….same as 2011..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/many-2011-federal-budget-cuts-had-little-real-world-effect/2013/02/09/11938e3e-6bc6-11e2-a396-ef12a93b4200_story_3.html

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

February 28th, 2013
8:31 am

The next frame of Luckovich’s cartoon you don’t see is the one where the “elephant” shoots himself in the foot after the sequester happens. I am absolutely amazed at how stupid they think the general public is. It’s no wonder they want to shorten early voting time, split electorial college votes and do what ever else they can do to skew election results. Without that, I don’t believe there will be a GOP come 2014. They are laughable.

JAY, I guess you were right. It IS going to happen.

JohnnyReb

February 28th, 2013
8:31 am

I like Rove’s idea. Pass a bill to give agency heads authority to move the money around, then call them to the hill when they don’t or do stupid things.

An example is the agriculture secretary who has threatened to lessen/stop some food inspections while throwing around 4 billion on free cell phones where 40% receiving them don’t qualify.

indigo

February 28th, 2013
8:32 am

“putting the burden on those already suffering”

“Those already suffering” are people who cannot make any financial contributions to The Republican Party. Therefore, in the eyes of the Party, any Govt. funding going to these suffering would be better spent in Republican pockets.

Money – everything

Conscience – none

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

February 28th, 2013
8:32 am

Oh dear, where are my manners? Good morning to all y’all. Have a wonderful day…please…and do a good deed for a stranger…it surprises the hell out of them ;)

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
8:34 am

An example is the agriculture secretary who has threatened to lessen/stop some food inspections while throwing around 4 billion on free cell phones where 40% receiving them don’t qualify.

I’m sure you have a source for your allegations?

Stevie Ray

February 28th, 2013
8:34 am

stands for decibels – Race Traitor!

February 28th, 2013
8:26 am

If you believe that unemployment is going to be increased meaningfully by any of these measures to simply rein in (as opposed to cut), or slow growth of cost, you are mistaken. The spell of gloom doom and despair has you in its clutches.

Funny how you take the BO gimic as chosen reply..perhaps you can pull up some alledged future unemployed up on your stage and sing a song of woe..

JKL2

February 28th, 2013
8:34 am

fred- Oh, I know, it’s just “coincidence” that he uses Chicken Little minutes after I use it downstairs

Since I haven’t been “downstairs” I guess it’s a coincidence. The Republicans have been charged with “taking away” social security for at least the 30 years I’ve paid attention to politics. The only ones who are going to take it away are the Democrats who refuse to change and are going to bankrupt it.

I liked Bush’s plan to let you invest 4% and potentially double your payment at retirement, but the greedy Democrats refuse to let go of your money. Your too stupid to know what’s best for you.

southpaw

February 28th, 2013
8:34 am

“ratio of two dollars in cuts for one dollar in new revenue”

Are these cuts inside-the-Beltway style or outside-the-Beltway style? In other words, are they reducing an already planned increase, or are they going to decrease real dollars being spent in a year or other given time period?

Divide and Conquer

February 28th, 2013
8:35 am

@Maximum Bob

“Republicans are committed to killing our government, one way or another.”

I disagree. They are committed to growing the government, just in a different way than the Democrats; always have been.

Simple Truths

February 28th, 2013
8:35 am

“The House Progressive Caucus plan replaces the entire sequester with a new plan with equivalent savings – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/02/28/yawn-yet-another-budget-crisis-looms/#sthash.51CMAfjl.dpuf

If you define “savings” as higher taxes, then yes, that plan will work. Most people don’t define savings in that way. Most people think of savings as spending less money.

Stevie Ray

February 28th, 2013
8:36 am

JohnnyReb

February 28th, 2013
8:31 am

I couldn’t agree more….give department heads opportunity to find waste to complete. These lame relationship of slowing growth by an amount divided by headcount is simply disingenuous…

Cliff dive..best course..

JohnnyReb

February 28th, 2013
8:36 am

I dont want to be sent to the corner, so I won’t use names, but some posting here are so stupid when making remarks about Republicans not caring about the less fortunate.

Thomas

February 28th, 2013
8:36 am

Mike Luckovich is an embarrassment to an already embarrassing newspaper. Intellectual midget that cannot draw and has never been funny.

Gotta love a quote “the unemployed need to work for less”. Little early to get your brain cells around that one.

Anyway- keep changing the world one blog at a time people. Remember to hydrate.

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
8:37 am

Obama, Congress Must Reach Deal On Budget By March 1, And Then April 1, And Then April 20, And Then April 28, And Then May 1

http://www.theonion.com/articles/obama-congress-must-reach-deal-on-budget-by-march,31460/

Thomas heyward Jr

February 28th, 2013
8:37 am

Where does the “prog caucus” stand on giving the politically-connected Banks 85 billion PER MONTH via the Fed?
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It doesn’t.
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Sound and Fury signifying …………………..tardness.

JohnnyReb

February 28th, 2013
8:38 am

Fred – I’m not your personal research assistant. Look it up yourself.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 28th, 2013
8:38 am

Well, if the sequester don’t get you the continuing resolution will, and on and on till we find something the voters support us on. There’s got to be something we can win on. I feel downright sorry for The Boner. Poor guy, he wants to settle this but if he does his buddies will pull the gallows handle and he’ll find hisself setting in the back like that other GOP speaker. This Obama is mean, playing with the little mouse and deciding when to kill.

It’s like pointing one of them Polish pistols, the kind where the barrel is pointing back toward the guy holding it. I never seen such a mess.

Have a good Thursday everybody.

Welcome to the Occupation

February 28th, 2013
8:38 am

When you, of all people, yawn, Jay, well … the terrorists win a little bit.

Stevie Ray

February 28th, 2013
8:38 am

JAY

OMG heaven forbid the energy department has to eliminate 1000 homes from energy efficient retro-fits…book of revelations stuff..

Divide and Conquer

February 28th, 2013
8:38 am

“oh the sequestration…let’s begin.”
Sung to the tune of Mel Brooks Inquisition song….
:)

curious

February 28th, 2013
8:39 am

Somebody please list the taxes proposed to go higher.

stands for decibels - Race Traitor!

February 28th, 2013
8:40 am

If you believe that unemployment is going to be increased meaningfully by any of these measures to simply rein in (as opposed to cut), or slow growth of cost, you are mistaken.

ANY willful increase in our unemployment — and anything short of full repeal of this bloody abortion of a bill is going to do that — is a dereliction of duty to uphold the Constitution. These f-ckers should resign before they’d EVER willfully inflict suffering on the population like that.

The spell of gloom doom and despair has you in its clutches.

It is not “gloom and doom,” it is already gloomy and doomy for those who are ALREADY unemployed because stupid austerity measures already in place.

Funny how you take the BO gimic as chosen reply..perhaps you can pull up some alledged future unemployed up on your stage and sing a song of woe..

If you think I believe the President has handled this competently you have not been paying attention. Jeez, click my link @ 8.30–look at the second panel. That’s what I think of it.

Welcome to the Occupation

February 28th, 2013
8:42 am

“Surprisingly, the plan that polled the strongest was the House Progressive Caucus plan

Perfect! The ONE plan that is universally IGNORED by the Washington political class.and the ruling elite generally. THAT’s the one that polls strongest.

Could there possibly be a better illustration of the violent swing to the right of the ENTIRE political spectrum among the political class in this country?

Stevie Ray

February 28th, 2013
8:42 am

Thomas

February 28th, 2013
8:36 am

I like Lukovichs drawing ability. Too bad his by-lines are simply DEM talking points…no wonder those here adore him so much…he’s the guy drawing whatever the “progressives” want to hear..

JohnnyReb

February 28th, 2013
8:42 am

Here’s a fact for Obama and his supporters. Tax increases are over. He got it, that’s it, just one.

And, tinkering with the code where the rate does not change but the amount of taxes paid goes up – that’s a tax increase.

How do I know this? Because if the Repub House caves they are done with; turn off the lights and go home, they won’t be reelected, Boehner will be out, etc.

Recon 0311 2533

February 28th, 2013
8:43 am

JohnnyReb@8:31- Exactly.

stands for decibels - Race Traitor!

February 28th, 2013
8:44 am

Perfect! The ONE plan that is universally IGNORED by the Washington political class.and the ruling elite generally.

and isn’t really all that progressive, it just happens to be the most rational of the three.

They also had the most rational budget, universally ignored, during the debt ceiling stupidity.

and of course the only real means to provide affordable healthcare for all was via HR 676 (single payer), which was treated by our so-called liberal media like… well, nothing. You’d not even know the bill existed if you were following the news at the time.

Not that this makes me angry or anything.

Soothsayer

February 28th, 2013
8:45 am

Aquagirl

February 28th, 2013
8:46 am

Fred – I’m not your personal research assistant. Look it up yourself.

I see why Fred gets time-outs, with chew toys like this wrapping themselves in bacon.

Lord Help Us

February 28th, 2013
8:47 am

‘Tax increases are over.’

tee that one up with, ‘Romney in a landslide…”

Boehner will cave, rationalize, and GOP sheep will demand more Benghazi investigations. Your party is lost…

Stevie Ray

February 28th, 2013
8:47 am

stands for decibels – Race Traitor!

February 28th, 2013
8:40 am

Sorry about the last comment. You are of course correct I note your comments against the way this has been handled..my bad.

I disagree about loss of jobs. First the cuts are more more that 2% and as high as 5% and slightly higher for defense. If the DEMs agree, as BO has indicated, to cut some identified waste from entitlements, these attempts to slow growth will be spread across entire spending spectrum and very little if any, pain would be felt…even if not, the department heads will have incentive to get creative to find opportunities to get some waste out without sacrificing department objectives…

Brosephus™ - Always bet on Black.

February 28th, 2013
8:47 am

I think EJ Dionne summed it up best yesterday. While I don’t usually agree with him, I think he hit a note or two in the correct key yesterday.

The air of establishment Washington is filled with talk that Obama must “lead.” But Obama cannot force the House Republican majority to act if it doesn’t want to. He is (fortunately) not a dictator.

What Obama can do is expose the cause of this madness, which is the dysfunction of the Republican Party.

Journalists don’t like saying this because it sounds partisan. But the truth is the truth, whether it sounds partisan or not.

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One proposal Republicans are floating would give Obama more flexibility to administer the sequester. Thus, a party that says it can’t trust Obama enough to negotiate with him would trust him so much as to grant him exceptional power.

The contradiction is so glaring that Republicans are split on the idea, and it’s foolish anyway. As a senior administration official suggested, it’s like being told that two of your fingers will be cut off but you could choose which fingers. How is it a “concession” to ask Obama to organize the cuts he says would be a disaster?

Seems like the GOP forgot about their Constitution reading stunt. Congress owns the job of dealing with budgets and such, not the President. If Congress wishes to abdicate their Constitutional authority, then maybe they need to abdicate their positions altogether and let someone else figure things out.

Welcome to the Occupation

February 28th, 2013
8:48 am

Jay: “They underestimated their own — or each other’s — intransigence ”

What do you mean “each other’s” intransigence? There is no intransigence on both sides, only on the Republican side. The Democrats — CPC aside — has shown again and again that it is ready to bend over backwards to get a deal, that all it needs is a token tax rate/revenue raise as a fig leaf just so there’s some ever so minimal distance between the Democrats and the Republicans (since you have to have a magnifying glass to see any). Hell they even made 99% of the “Bush tax cuts” permanent without so much as a peep from the so-called “liberal base”, who evidently are to start struck with Mr. Obama to realize they’re being sold down the river .

curious

February 28th, 2013
8:49 am

Let’s pay some more farmers not to plant anything.

Exxon needs their subsidy; how else are they going to get by with their $30+B profit.

We need those F-35s that don’t fly and DOD doesn’t want.

I bird hunt for my general well being; I should be able to deduct that as a medical expense.

I drink Jack Daniels for medicinal purposes; is that another medical deduction?

There is plenty of waste.

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
8:50 am

JohnnyReb

February 28th, 2013
8:38 am

Fred – I’m not your personal research assistant. Look it up yourself.
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I knew that or something similar would be your response. It’s ALWAYS what liars say when they cant’ substantiate their wild assed claims.

gadem also known as Benghazi

February 28th, 2013
8:50 am

Did someone say Benghazi?

Keep Up--Borderline Civility Fighter

February 28th, 2013
8:50 am

Oh well, looks like our conned will continue their extremism and denial based on a set of lies and deceptions that they have convinced themselves exist. The deficit has declined every year since 2009 and the increase that year was of course to recover from Bush recession. The debt is being addressed and rather than being smart, the conned want to continue their stupidity and claim that they know their own truths. Benghanzi!

Peadawg

February 28th, 2013
8:51 am

“It contains no new revenue” – That’s b/c Obama got his tax increase back in December/January and the GOP is wanting to hold him to his promise of spending cuts.

I do wish they could hammer out a new plan though to cut wasteful programs and not stuff we actually need and close loopholes for the yacht owners.

Brosephus™ - Always bet on Black.

February 28th, 2013
8:53 am

BlahBlahBlah

February 28th, 2013
8:53 am

These cuts are so horrible to the economy that the Dow Jones Industrial Average is a whisker away from an all time high. Oh, the humanity!

Welcome to the Occupation

February 28th, 2013
8:53 am

You shouldn’t “yawn” when you hear of the latest crisis, Jay. You should reach for your revolver.

Metaphorically, of course.

Doggone/GA

February 28th, 2013
8:54 am

“If Congress wishes to abdicate their Constitutional authority, then maybe they need to abdicate their positions altogether and let someone else figure things out. – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/02/28/yawn-yet-another-budget-crisis-looms/#sthash.5nVLDrWN.dpuf

Well..they already abdicated on their responsibility to declare war, when W was President. So why NOT give away another Constitutional power?

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
8:54 am

Aquagirl: I see why Fred gets time-outs, with chew toys like this wrapping themselves in bacon.

That is freaking hilarious…………… and I just can’t resist can I? The tee them up and I get in trouble for driving them down range.

It’s a baited field. Hunting stupid in a sea of Republicans………….

TaxPayer

February 28th, 2013
8:55 am

Union

February 28th, 2013
8:56 am

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
8:56 am

Doggone (from downstairs):

Doggone:<i. (if you look before the thread changes):I refuse. It started yesterday and as far as I’m concerned, if they want it there so bad…they’re going to GET it there.

Ah. It makes sense now. I saw a little bit of that discussion yesterday but didn’t’ scroll back far enough to see what y’all were talking about. I now understand.

stands for decibels - Race Traitor!

February 28th, 2013
8:56 am

Just to meet you sorta halfway here–I agree that if one operates from the position that some cuts need to be made, then yes, the ones being proposed by the White House are likely the least stupid.

If the DEMs agree, as BO has indicated, to cut some identified waste from entitlements, these attempts to slow growth will be spread across entire spending spectrum and very little if any, pain would be felt…

But cuts do not need to be made. We need to build things, increase wages, get people back to work. Nothing should be done to put more people out of work.

History will judge the horrible, horrible people in charge very harshly, methinks, if this stupid bill isn’t outright repealed. I continue to hold out hope it will be.

but, back to the here and now:

even if not, the department heads will have incentive to get creative to find opportunities to get some waste out without sacrificing department objectives…

No more incentive than they already have. No, what will happen is, for a month or two, these departments will manage to shuffle money around and try to keep as many people as they possibly can before they start dropping the ax. The effects of these cutbacks won’t be immediately gloomy/doomy, but the GDP growth will slow, and who knows, we might actually get an outright recession as a result.

Not catastrophic–I never said that–just incredibly stupid, stupid, stupid.

/drive-by

JKL2

February 28th, 2013
8:57 am

Thomas- Gotta love a quote “the unemployed need to work for less”.

Used have a neighbor who got fired from his union job because he wouldn’t show the security what was inside his suitcase he was bringing into work (trinkets he wanted to show his friends).

Two years later I found a $17/hr job for him. He said he couldn’t afford the pay cut…

PS: He’s now happily surrounded by fellow union employees in prison.

Vinny

February 28th, 2013
8:58 am

Yawn…… Another bedwetting liberal diatribe

Keep Up--Borderline Civility Fighter

February 28th, 2013
8:58 am

Hunting stupid in a sea of Republicans

Well its not really hunting when you can swing a stick and knock over 10 or more at a time. ;)

Stevie Ray

February 28th, 2013
8:58 am

Brosephus™ – Always bet on Black.

February 28th, 2013
8:47 am

Are you suggesting that BO simply sit tight and allow congress to handle so he can Monday morning quarter back in terms of his most successful blame game?

Perhaps standing up and saying the for example, medicare growth slowing can be largely accomplished by cutting fat BO himself has identified….and that’s what he expects to see.

I get the impression (wrongly perhaps) that your footing holding Congress responsible for lack of leadership and functionality is paramount. I don’t disagree wholly but president holds veto power and can certainly step up and make the most of this opportunity he has to show public he is not completely DEM homer and is really interested in doing right by us. Lead a deal.

The senate hasn’t passed a bill for several years…any submitted by BO have been soundly defeated by both parties…pushing problems down the road is disrespectful to all of us..

Gotta run…catch back up to you later..

stands for decibels - Race Traitor!

February 28th, 2013
8:58 am

one more thing:

You should reach for your revolver.

Crank. it. up.

Bob

February 28th, 2013
8:58 am

Of course you blame repubs because nothing bad ever happens because of dems right ? Lets face it, Obama submitted budgets to the senate and not one senate dem voted in favor of Obama’s budget proposals. Why do dem senators want Obama to fail ? Had Obama’s budgets passed he would half cut the deficit in half by now and Harry Reids senate did not deliver one single vote for Obama. Maybe Harry Reid is a racist, for some reason he has not delivered for Obama.

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

February 28th, 2013
8:58 am

STANDS,

What’s with the “Race Traitor” bit? Did you cheat in the relay? :)

Doggone/GA

February 28th, 2013
8:59 am

“Let’s pay some more farmers not to plant anything”

You should educate yourself on the history of that program (hint: it has to do with the Great Depression)

Or just watch the series on “The Great Depresson” that show up periodically on PBS. It’s an eye opener.

williebkind

February 28th, 2013
8:59 am

“Republicans are committed to killing our government, one way or another.”

Not killing it but making it smaller and more accountable for spending.

Welcome to the Occupation

February 28th, 2013
8:59 am

I agree entirely, decibels.

There are certain ideas that are simply “out of the question”.

Single-payer health insurance is one of them. And with the Tories busy dismantling the beloved NHS system in the UK as we speak, hard to see how that ever changes. There’s simply no organized pressure.

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
8:59 am

Union: Thanks. As I read that article it shows that the Government DID tighten up and cut out the 41% (which isn’t what JohnnyReb indicated). Also the corporate welfare is STILL being paid to the phone companies.

Funny how JohnnyReb can twist facts into a lie……..

curious

February 28th, 2013
9:00 am

Let’s cut a few entitlements like tax loopholes and subsidies to corporations.

wahoo

February 28th, 2013
9:00 am

stands for decibels:

You asked what kind of idiot would appose the House Progessive Caucus Plan. While you term it rational, and certainly parts of it are rational, I would oppose other parts of their plan.

First, throughout our history, following the conclusions of our wars, we’ve reduced defense spending materially. I think more can be done here than either what is put forth by the Progressive Caucus or the Sequester.

Second, (as I recall understanding it) some of the loopholes for the “rich” targeted by the Progreessive Caucus impact charitable giving and the mortgage interest deduction. I would be stridently opposed to eliminating loopholes for charitable giving. Because people continue to be hurting in this tepid recovery, I think that charities need every advantage to keep their coffers as full as possible to help the destitute. Further, I am somewhat skeptical on eliminating or reducing the mortgage interest deduction for upper income earners. As is widely being documented, housing is finally making a recovery. I am reticent to rock the boat there.

Moderate Line

February 28th, 2013
9:01 am

They underestimated their own — or each other’s — intransigence. House Republicans have passed a plan to replace the sequester by gutting a series of government poverty and social service programs, in other words putting the burden entirely on those already suffering It contains no new revenue and no cuts in defense.
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From my perspective it shows that both parties are more about political calculation. If the Republicans really cared about defense that would propose somthing that would at least be a starting position for negotiation.

All of this shows the priorities of the Republicans:
1) No tax increase
2)budet deficit
3)Defense

They are allowing the first two to get in the way of the third. If the budget deficit was important they would be willing to raise taxes and cut defense.

Unfortunately, I don’t have any higher regard for Obama and the Dem. They seem unmotivated because they are going to win politically on this issue. The Dems just negotiated a tax increase if I was a Republican I would feel like idiot if I am being asked to look at another so soon.

Doggone/GA

February 28th, 2013
9:02 am

“Lets face it, Obama submitted budgets to the senate and not one senate dem voted in favor of Obama’s budget proposals – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/02/28/yawn-yet-another-budget-crisis-looms/?cp=1#comment-1246083

Got proof?

ATL Tiger

February 28th, 2013
9:02 am

Jay,

No mention of Rep Tom Price and Sen Marco Rubio’s bill that would cut $45 billion in unused funds as a way to offset some of the $85 billion sequester? Whether or not it’s for the sequester, it should still be rescinded and put down on our debt.

http://tomprice.house.gov/press-release/congressman-price-senator-rubio-introduce-bill-targeting-45-billion-unspent-money

Not to mention all the billions in waste our government seems to care nothing about. Just like the VA wasting $1 billion on medical e-records.

http://www.freep.com/usatoday/article/1952143?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE%7Cs

Doggone/GA

February 28th, 2013
9:03 am

Fred – thanks, I did see that on the previous blog…just didn’t get a chance to reply because the new one was up already

ZoSo

February 28th, 2013
9:03 am

The sequester is brilliant. Now whose idea was it?

Peadawg

February 28th, 2013
9:04 am

Stevie Ray

February 28th, 2013
9:04 am

stands for decibels – Race Traitor!

February 28th, 2013
8:56 am

Yup. I think we may disagree on objective. You say cut, I say slow growth…I think deep down we both know either way, we are going to get snookered once again..nothing will change but BO has great opportunity to step up here.

mm

February 28th, 2013
9:04 am

“you exaggerate with all those poor and hurting folks who would suffer.”

Yeah, who gives a sh*t about the 700,000 jobs that will be lost!

” “Balance” is his code word for more tax revenue from those who the left believes provide an endless source. ”

This tax revenue would be from closing tax loopholes, and there are plenty. You know, the same thing Romney was proposing.

TaxPayer

February 28th, 2013
9:04 am

Republicans prefer the Democratic plan so long as they do not know in advance that it is the Democratic plan and instead judge it on its content. That prettty much sums up the Republican efforts since 2008. The Party of No Good. The Petty Party. By the way cons, don’t change a thing. You’re unskewed data shows your plans are working just great.

JKL2

February 28th, 2013
9:04 am

Brosephus- The air of establishment Washington is filled with talk that Obama must “lead.” But Obama cannot force the House Republican majority to act if it doesn’t want to. He is (fortunately) not a dictator.

Use of “force” (an obama favorite) is not leadership. That’s the problem. He has zero people skills.

Doggone/GA

February 28th, 2013
9:04 am

“Yawn…… Another bedwetting liberal diatribe”

Yawn…… Another bedwetting con diatribe

independent thinker

February 28th, 2013
9:05 am

Someone please explain why under the current austerity conditions, the IRS is mailing big fat refund and tax credit checks to anyone who does not pay taxes including over 400 million to Facebook? (See Jay’s prior expose)??????????????? Does that make any sense – just like earned interest carryovers and tax write offs for relocating plants offshore, or costs of a dancing horse or moving corporate income offshore to avoid corporate taxes. Of course cons claim these considerations on the revenue side are taboo (due to their megadonors greed).But if Obama proposes a remedy he is labelled a Kenyan Marxist.

Keep Up--Borderline Civility Fighter

February 28th, 2013
9:05 am

OMG heaven forbid the energy department has to eliminate 1000 homes from energy efficient retro-fits…book of revelations stuff..

Well if are a family with elderly and young kids living in a home now facing frequently record snow storms and having to heat a single room with your oven or a space heater…. it does make a big difference. But as long as some don’t have to pay any more in taxes on their dividends, the massive incomes, etc, sure be proud. Fly that flag of ignorance and uncaring attitudes while trotting out your bible waving. :roll:

Joe Hussein Mama

February 28th, 2013
9:05 am

Fred — “Funny how JohnnyReb can twist facts into a lie……..”

Sometimes, you get a Con BINGO when the source they cite actually *contradicts* the claim they’re making. That most often happens when they cite news articles (as distinguished from opinion essays, which they often seem to think are actually hard news) or academic papers.

Aquagirl

February 28th, 2013
9:07 am

Funny how JohnnyReb can twist facts into a lie……

That’s giving him far too much credit. Rove types do the twisting, JohnnyRebs read it somewhere and re-squawk. That’s why you get the “google it yerself” line. They can’t even figure out how an idea got in their heads.

indigo

February 28th, 2013
9:08 am

JohnnyReb – 8:36

So, what do you call “putting the burden on those already suffering”?

Kind compassion for “the less fortunate”?

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

February 28th, 2013
9:08 am

williebkind

February 28th, 2013
8:59 am

“Republicans are committed to killing our government, one way or another.”

Not killing it but making it smaller and more accountable for spending

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Except in the rights of women and their bodies. And they want all the spending to go to the rich. Less government means less oversight. GOP things are better done in the dark, it seems..

No, The GOP aim is totalitarianism through financial control. Just another kind of Fascism…and y’all are falling for it.

Stevie Ray

February 28th, 2013
9:08 am

mm

February 28th, 2013
9:04 am

So you really believe that 700K jobs will be lost? If you choose to form your opinions on the over reaching predictions that amount to scare tactics, thats your thing. Spreading the plan to slow growth across all spending will make this work…

Doggone/GA

February 28th, 2013
9:09 am

“Doggone @ 9:02 – I think he’s talking about this”

And never mind that it CLEARLY STATES in the VERY FIRST sentence that the bill was NOT submitted by Obama.

“A budget resolution based on President Obama’s 2013 budget failed to get any votes in the Senate on Wednesday”

Moderate Line

February 28th, 2013
9:09 am

Obama and his political team appear confident a growing public backlash over the sequester will pressure GOP leaders to agree to raise taxes to prevent the across-the-board cuts.

Meanwhile, the White House is backing off its prior warnings that the sequester will strike a quick and devastating blow to the economy.

A senior GOP aide on Wednesday highlighted news reports that Obama’s political advisers now concede the cuts will not immediately disrupt federal services, managing public expectations in the wake of dire warnings.

Read more: http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/285419-sequester-here-to-stay#ixzz2MCcax8Mh

The Dems and the Reps are going to war and they both think they can win. Obama is hoping the sequester is bad enough so he can get tax increases.

Now we see that Obama is lower expectations of the impact.

I believe both are playing a game of chicken.

Right now I think the Dems will win but I think it can go either way.

Fred ™

February 28th, 2013
9:13 am

Doggone: While I am too lazy to look it up and give an example, I seem to remember that Republicans in the Senate refused to vote for Obama’s plan because it included raising some taxes and cuts in the military budget (and of course because it was OBAMA’S plan lol) while Democrats refused to vote for Obama’s plan because it contained cuts to entitlements.

As I recall, it was a pretty damn good plan that had more cuts than any other plan as well as some common sense tax raises.

But like I said, I’m too lazy to look it up. I’m also not 100% sure that what I posted is accurate, it’s just what I recall. His Senate plan doesn’t get much press by either the “lying left wing mainstream media” OR from the talk radio FOXBOTS. Well except for the fact that it was rejected 99-0.