Pew: 65% of independents say GOP is ‘out of touch’

2-26-13-1

From the Pew Research Center:

At a time when the Republican Party’s image is at a historic low, 62% of the public says the GOP is out of touch with the American people, 56% think it is not open to change and 52% say the party is too extreme….

Republicans are more critical of their party than Democrats are of theirs on most issues. For example, 36% of Republicans say the GOP is out of touch with the American people. Just 23% of Democrats say their party is out of touch. And while 30% of Republicans say their party is not open to change, just 10% of Democrats make the same criticism of their party.

However, Republicans overwhelmingly credit their party for having strong principles; 85% say the GOP has strong principles while 13% say it does not. And 80% of Republicans say their party is looking out for the country’s long-term future.

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Among independents, 65 percent say the GOP is out of touch with the American people, and just 39 percent say the party is open to change.

Meanwhile, in Washington, House Speaker John Boehner says that his party will refuse to consider any budget solution that includes increased revenue. “Higher tax rates are not the answers to our problems,” he told the Credit Union National Association. “Spending is the problem, and spending cuts are the solution.”

– Jay Bookman

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Common Sense isn't very Common

February 26th, 2013
4:55 pm

65% of independents say GOP is ‘out of touch’

It’s because they are :-)

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 26th, 2013
4:56 pm

Well, I don’t consider my party out of touch. Just touched a bit sometimes, but not out of touch.

Have a good night everybody.

Common Sense isn't very Common

February 26th, 2013
4:57 pm

BTW FIRST LOL

alex

February 26th, 2013
4:58 pm

Need to change with the times, exactly.Need to be critical of themselves which may lead to change, exactly, Need to realize that a general opinion may not translate into an opinion for a specific issue,EXACTLY….But Jay, back to the old stereotyping, will he EVER learn?,..”what you see is all there is” Feed the syncophants,….go ahead FEED it..

Common Sense isn't very Common

February 26th, 2013
4:59 pm

could be like Newt and reach out and touch Calista :-)

Look before I leap...

February 26th, 2013
5:00 pm

Funny how congressional salaries and other perks seem to be missing from Boehner’s list of stuff.

How about a 10% to the salaries we pay to the President and Congress critters?
How about asking them to pay a bit more towards retirement and their health care?
How about closing the congressional gym and removing all subsidies to the congressional dining room? Eliminate free parking at National Airport?

I know the dollars are trivial, but a little symbolism would go a long way.
I mean, let’s ALL share the pain Mr Speaker!

DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda

February 26th, 2013
5:01 pm

Meanwhile, in Washington, House Speaker John Boehner says that his party will refuse to consider any budget solution that includes increased revenue. “Higher tax rates are not the answers to our problems,” he told the Credit Union National Association. “Spending is the problem, and spending cuts are the solution.”

Well he’s right. Spending IS the problem!! Look at what Congress is spending money on:

Two Wars

Tax breaks for businesses that don’t pay ANY taxes and if they pay a minimal amount, they cry and scream like spoiled kids

Tax breaks for the Queen of Means of the world

Tax breaks for the Paris Hilton’s of the world

Subsidies for Big Oil

Subsidies for Big Pharma

No bid contracts for people like Haliburton who in turn charge the government $1K for 3 bullets

Farm subsidies for Big Food

Pay raises for themselves every year (while denying a pay raise for the “little fellows”)

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All this stuff costs money!! So, yeah, Spending IS a problem; and it’s about time Congress (and Mr. Tan Man), does something about it!

Common Sense isn't very Common

February 26th, 2013
5:03 pm

DDR

he is ORANGE not TAN.

:-)

Jefferson

February 26th, 2013
5:04 pm

They lack credibility.

DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda

February 26th, 2013
5:05 pm

could be like Newt and reach out and touch Calista

What evil person would say something like this and put that atrocity of a picture inside my head?

Its gonna take dynamite, 6 Jack & Cokes, 4 beers, and seeing Mr. Nude World doing the Cha Cha Slide with nothing on but a smile to get that image out of my head.

Evil thy name is Common………….

Doggone/GA

February 26th, 2013
5:06 pm

“85% say the GOP has strong principles while ”

Yeah? So does a mule

DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda

February 26th, 2013
5:07 pm

he is ORANGE not TAN.

But I thought you have to turn orange first (or bright red), THEN you turn tan.

If that’s so, then he’s just a few more sunlamps away from a true tan…………OR from cancer of the skin. Whichever comes first.

indigo

February 26th, 2013
5:07 pm

And, 100% of the cons here worship their Republican idols and trash Obama everyway they can.

A whiter White House just can’t get here too soon for them.

JamVet

February 26th, 2013
5:10 pm

Ouch!!

Another big boo boo for the right wing extremists.

Unlike the neocons, here is a great one!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xgjtm4_M20

Mick

February 26th, 2013
5:12 pm

Whose side are they on anyway? The rich have everything money can buy, up to an including a political party that does their bidding. How do they do it? I’m baffled how any middle class working stiff could lean so far right as to be willing accomplices to that ideology, they are depressing…

larry

February 26th, 2013
5:13 pm

To my Republican friends……….. enjoy!!!

I know its not FNM, but what the hay!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7fiQU0kFHs

Aquagirl

February 26th, 2013
5:15 pm

What evil person would say something like this and put that atrocity of a picture inside my head?

And Jay claims to have rules for this blog…yeah, right buddy. :)

alittlecommonsense

February 26th, 2013
5:15 pm

“Republicans are more critical of their party than Democrats are of theirs on most issues.”

Democrats often accuse republicans of a line of thinking that goes “stand by my country right or wrong”. There is some truth to that accusation, but Democrats tend to be more “stand by my party right or wrong”.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes, oh and -- FREE FRED!

February 26th, 2013
5:15 pm

…and 52% say the party is too extreme….

Didn’t Obama get close to 52% of the vote?

larry

February 26th, 2013
5:15 pm

They’re out of touch , and running out of time.

Doggone/GA

February 26th, 2013
5:18 pm

“Democrats often accuse republicans of a line of thinking that goes “stand by my country right or wrong”

When you have to like to prove your point, you have no point

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes, oh and -- FREE FRED!

February 26th, 2013
5:18 pm

Hagel confirmed as defense secretary

Doggone/GA

February 26th, 2013
5:19 pm

oops! “lie” not like!

Lord Help Us

February 26th, 2013
5:19 pm

The GOP is out of touch, because their base (as represented by a herd of doofuses here) is flippin’ crazy…

Common Sense isn't very Common

February 26th, 2013
5:19 pm

DDR

switch to scotch it will take all those pictures out of your head. ALSO some brain cells :-)

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 26th, 2013
5:20 pm

What evil person would say something like this and put that atrocity of a picture inside my head?

Well, thanx alot, Debbie Do Everybody, for putting a picture in my head of a hairy guy buck-nekkid going down a slide. Oh well, I wasn’t too hungry for supper anyway and I need to lose a couple pounds.

Doggone/GA

February 26th, 2013
5:20 pm

“Hagel confirmed as defense secretary”

yeah, after nearly 2 weeks of the babies in Congress stamping their feet and rubbing their eyes.

Common Sense isn't very Common

February 26th, 2013
5:22 pm

Aquagirl

Sorry about that but DDR deserves a head slap occasionally.

:-)

Not really she knows I still love her

Common Sense isn't very Common

February 26th, 2013
5:24 pm

RC

now you’re thinking about Newt

I’m starting to worry about you :-)

josef

February 26th, 2013
5:25 pm

So, this is where everybody went….

Well, there’s the table…our boy’s been at work…

As for the thread…

And…?

DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda

February 26th, 2013
5:27 pm

Well, thanx alot, Debbie Do Everybody, for putting a picture in my head

NP RC – I do it out of love for you. You didn’t need that steak anyway — red meat’ll kill ya!

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Booo Common!! Boooo!!! :winnk:

Lynnie Gal

February 26th, 2013
5:30 pm

Debbie DoRight is right about all that government spending on Bush tax breaks (for wealthy,) wars (driven by Republicans,) big oil, big pharma subsidies (who give primarily to Republicans.) Republicans want to cut food for the poor, education (for commoner’s children) healthcare, and any other program that supports and sustains life, including protecting the environment. To say they are out of touch is an understatement–they are the party of death.

TM

February 26th, 2013
5:30 pm

that is because 65% want the the other 35% to support their government benefits

JamVet

February 26th, 2013
5:33 pm

LHU, to your point about the state of our blogging cons, certainly more than a few are mental midgets, or willfully stupid as Jay has noted., But the biggest problem for the misnamed conservatives that I can see, is their disastrous identity problem. So bad now that they actually define themselves strictly by OUR positions on these challenges and issues.

By that, I mean that for forty years the GOP has not really been FOR much. They are just viciously AGAINST liberalism, progress of most kinds and the great ideals of liberal philosophy.

Take climate change for instance. The cons are clearly not huge lovers of the scientific method and at this point in their history, really seem to have very little respect for science at all. As noted by Jon Huntsman and others. Most are insanely ignorant (by choice), close-minded and utterly unable to speak intelligently on the matter. Further they have no actual rational explanations as to the cause of the problem itself. (At least any that are not laughed out of a ninth grade classroom and beyond.)

What forces them to take that position they have is nothing more than ANTI-liberalism, ANTI-academia and ANTI-intellectualism.

And in this regard, they now stand completely isolated in western civilization.

And as long as we keep them defining themselves by our positions, things are only going to get worse for them…

Doggone/GA

February 26th, 2013
5:33 pm

“that is because 65% want the the other 35% to support their government benefits”

Hey! We’re gaining ground! We’ve gone from 47% to 52% and now we’re all the way up to 65%. The plan is working!

saywhat?

February 26th, 2013
5:35 pm

The poll must be skewed. There is no way Republicans are that popular.

josef

February 26th, 2013
5:35 pm

Hagel confirmed?

By all means, Free Fred!

Doggone/GA

February 26th, 2013
5:36 pm

Is anyone else getting this: “See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/02/26/pew-65-of-independents-say-gop-is-out-of-touch/?cp=1#comment-1244233” tacked onto the end of their copy/pastes? ‘Cause it’s damned annoying.

tbs

February 26th, 2013
5:37 pm

Maybe they “oversampled” Democrats to get the results they wanted.

Heard this one a thousand times leading up to the election. Figured it might be valid for this poll as well.

:-)

TaxPayer

February 26th, 2013
5:38 pm

Cons want to go down looking like the extreme losers that they are. So be it.

Lord Help Us

February 26th, 2013
5:41 pm

‘What forces them to take that position they have is nothing more than ANTI-liberalism, ANTI-academia and ANTI-intellectualism.’

Jam, you give them more credit than I. I see a bunch of miserable, old, bitter, misinformed, closed-minded azzholes that are not able to deal with evidence that the world around them is changing (lots of it for the better, BTW), their ideology is a failure, their ‘leaders’ are hopeless and Obama’s approval numbers are the envy of GWB…

Mr Right

February 26th, 2013
5:42 pm

Sounds like about the same amount that was against Obamacare but I guess that didn’t matter!

Bernie

February 26th, 2013
5:42 pm

The Party of ” I want MUH, Country back!” is now the Party of “if, We could return to the OLD DAYS of MUH Party, I would be Happier”.

The Republican Party burial will be held in 2014, just after the mid term elections. Wearing Black is optional! come as you are!

Moderate Line

February 26th, 2013
5:42 pm

Interesting enough there is a downward trend for both parties. Since Jan 2009 the Dems have dropped from 67% to 47% favorable rating. Republicans have gone from 40 to 33. Both parties are not doing well. In 2001 the Dems had a favorable rating of 60% and the Republicans had a favorable rating of 56%.

http://www.people-press.org/2013/02/26/gop-seen-as-principled-but-out-of-touch-and-too-extreme/

saywhat?

February 26th, 2013
5:43 pm

“Republicans are more critical of their party than Democrats are of theirs on most issues”
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Possibly because they have much more about which to be critical?
Its like saying Alaskans complain about the cold weather in December more than do south Floridians. It has nothing to do with the virtue or insight of those doing the complaining, and everything to do with the environment they have chosen to inhabit.

Doggone/GA

February 26th, 2013
5:43 pm

“Cons want to go down looking like the extreme losers that they are. So be it.”

Personally, I think they have a goal: to get their approval numbers below that of Congress

JamVet

February 26th, 2013
5:44 pm

Doggone yes it is! Must be one of the AJC’s nine levels of blogging inferno!

Heard this one a thousand times leading up to the election.

The only thing worse that Karl & the Ostriches could have done is to send out a new version of the “Dewey Wins!” proclamation…

DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda

February 26th, 2013
5:47 pm

If republicans REALLY wanted to stop spending, they’d start with their “pay checks” first.

They don’t really need them anyway — they get much more money from their rich overlords than they’d ever get from the people who elected them.

So they should just stop pretending that they work FOR the people and forgo their paychecks. That money, their pension plans, and the healthcare can go back into the budget.

They want to cut government waste, they should lead the way — start with the wastefullness of paying people who don’t even work for you.

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 26th, 2013
5:48 pm

65% of independenats might think that the GOP is out of touch but………………100% of decent people are revolted at the Democrats adopting the GOP’s neo-con war mongering and war criminal behavior.
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lol.
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.Here lies a cool infrographic showing the political schisms…………..that even a progressive can understand.(although they mistake socialism with private charity.).
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http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/6653870_700b.jpg

Doggone/GA

February 26th, 2013
5:48 pm

“Doggone yes it is! Must be one of the AJC’s nine levels of blogging inferno – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/02/26/pew-65-of-independents-say-gop-is-out-of-touch/?cp=1#comment-1244261

Well, since it’s not just me…I hereby vow to stop being nice and removing it. If it clutters their blog they’ve got no one to blame but themselves.

TaxPayer

February 26th, 2013
5:49 pm

Personally, I think they have a goal: to get their approval numbers below that of Congress

Perhaps they want to be the first to achieve a negative approval rating.

Doggone/GA

February 26th, 2013
5:50 pm

“Perhaps they want to be the first to achieve a negative approval rating – See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/02/26/pew-65-of-independents-say-gop-is-out-of-touch/?cp=1#comment-1244265

It’ll be a tight race!

TaxPayer

February 26th, 2013
5:56 pm

We should sequester Congress and check on them every few months to see if they need a potty break and some more water.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes, oh and -- FREE FRED!

February 26th, 2013
5:58 pm

Well, since it’s not just me…I hereby vow to stop being nice and removing it. If it clutters their blog they’ve got no one to blame but themselves.

Test.

dixie normous

February 26th, 2013
5:59 pm

telling people what they want to hear is very popular. even if its a pack of lies.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes, oh and -- FREE FRED!

February 26th, 2013
5:59 pm

Well, since it’s not just me…I hereby vow to stop being nice and removing it. If it clutters their blog they’ve got no one to blame but themselves.

Doesn’t seem to be a problem for me. I’m using Firefox. Could it be a browser thing?

F. Sinkwich

February 26th, 2013
6:01 pm

Out of touch, eh?

So where do these “independents” get their information?

ABC, NBC, CBS CNN, MSNBC, etc. O’bozo stenographers all.

Just like a mom who tells her kid to take the medicine to get better, she is no where near as cool as the favorite auntie who gives the kid cotton candy and tells him all is good, knowing full well she’s not the one who has to pay the dentist.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes, oh and -- FREE FRED!

February 26th, 2013
6:01 pm

telling people what they want to hear is very popular. even if its a pack of lies.

The smoking gun is the mushroom cloud.

We will be greeted as liberators.

Soothsayer

February 26th, 2013
6:02 pm

Did I miss something? Is Fred in the penalty box?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes, oh and -- FREE FRED!

February 26th, 2013
6:02 pm

**O’bozo

**Witchie-poo spam. All rights reserved.

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 26th, 2013
6:04 pm

Moderate Line

February 26th, 2013
5:42 pm

Interesting enough there is a downward trend for both parties. Since Jan 2009 the Dems have dropped from 67% to 47% favorable rating. Republicans have gone from 40 to 33. Both parties are not doing well. In 2001 the Dems had a favorable rating of 60% and the Republicans had a favorable rating of 56%.

http://www.people-press.org/2013/02/26/gop-seen-as-principled-but-out-of-touch-and-too-extreme/
– See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/02/26/pew-65-of-independents-say-gop-is-out-of-touch/?cp=1#comment-1244264
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ssshhhhhhhh.
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lol.
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The Good guys always win.

Jay

February 26th, 2013
6:04 pm

“telling people what they want to hear is very popular. even if its a pack of lies.”

You can take that one to the bank, says Roger Ailes.

Aquagirl

February 26th, 2013
6:05 pm

I’m using Firefox. Could it be a browser thing?

I use FF and was getting it earlier, but now it’s gone. Bizarre.

Fred is obviously waging guerrilla warfare on the blogs. :)

F. Sinkwich

February 26th, 2013
6:05 pm

How are “independents” defined? Are these people who actually vote? Do these people know who the VP is? Their own congressman? Have a job?

From PEW:

“In addition to sampling error, one should bear in mind that question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of opinion polls.”

Duh.

josef

February 26th, 2013
6:05 pm

SOOTH

Again…

Brosephus™ - WiFi and mobile :)

February 26th, 2013
6:06 pm

Polls, such as these, don’t amount to a hill of beans. Regardless to how critical people are, there’s sizeable populations of both parties who will toe the line come election time. Gallup wouldn’t call me for something like this as I would drag all the numbers down.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 26th, 2013
6:07 pm

What does unskewed polls tell us about these independents? They must not have extremist principles, I guess. :lol:

Brosephus™ - WiFi and mobile :)

February 26th, 2013
6:08 pm

Kamchak @ 6:01

You forgot “Romney will win by a landslide.”

Orange13

February 26th, 2013
6:08 pm

No. Everybody is out of touch and everybody is running out of time.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Escaped from Emil Purgatory

February 26th, 2013
6:08 pm

Yet another blog from Bookman about the irrelevant GOP. With graphs and everything. Awesome!

Saver yourself the trouble, oh smirking one. All you gotta do is place this headline atop your latest copy-and-paste effort: The Party That Couldn’t Beat Obama In 2012.

That defines the ineptitude/futility of the current GOP in a far more concise manner.

MiltonMan

February 26th, 2013
6:09 pm

…and yet the GOP dominate here in Georgia.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes, oh and -- FREE FRED!

February 26th, 2013
6:10 pm

You forgot “Romney will win by a landslide.”

Even Elmer Fudd could defeat Obama.

MiltonMan

February 26th, 2013
6:10 pm

Dems are popular – sKerry was right when he said Americans have the right to be stupid

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes, oh and -- FREE FRED!

February 26th, 2013
6:12 pm

sKerry was right when he said Americans have the right to be stupid

Dittoheads say, “What?”

tbs

February 26th, 2013
6:16 pm

Milton

Was Jindal correct when he said the “Republicans should stop being the Stupid Party”?

Sink: Just like when several unnamed right leaning bloggers were posting about Democratic “oversampling” before the election. That one seemed to work out pretty well, huh?

Erwin's cat

February 26th, 2013
6:17 pm

50% of doctors finished in the bottom half of their graduating class..

JamVet

February 26th, 2013
6:21 pm

Frankie and dixie are the consummate Republicans.

Simply DENY the verifiable and repeatable facts, figures and reality that the rest of the planet uses.

Just pretend that the men who run the GOP know better and that everyone else is mistaken.

The peer-reviewed information that they don’t like and don’t want to know about is always dead wrong. (But don’t ask them why.)

There is this vast worldwide conspiracy against them and that belief is good enough to let them explain it all away.

Mountains of data, evidence and truths mean ZERO to these bats.

I LOVE THESE GUYS!

Erwin's cat

February 26th, 2013
6:22 pm

Even Elmer Fudd could defeat Obama

if only Elmer had run….

F. Sinkwich

February 26th, 2013
6:24 pm

“Sink: Just like when several unnamed right leaning bloggers were posting about Democratic “oversampling” before the election. That one seemed to work out pretty well…”

Don’t know what you’re talking about, tbs, nor why it matters.

Free Stuff won over the grown-up last November. You lib ilks may get away with it for any number of years from now, but sooner or later, you’re going to run out of someone else’s money.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 26th, 2013
6:25 pm

Jam, they can’t just rely on the men who rule the GOP. I mean only some of them understand how to stick to principles. That NJ guy, for example…can’t be trusted. Then there is the page guy in LA, obviously a RINO.

What we need here is more goldfish studies! :lol:

JamVet

February 26th, 2013
6:26 pm

At least Milite doesn’t simply DENY the truth. He just explains it by saying that everybody besides him and his GOP pals are stupid. (Especially those lazy black people on the Dem plantation getting their free stuff, right Frankie?)

Don’t change a thing, cons…

F. Sinkwich

February 26th, 2013
6:27 pm

“Just pretend that the men who run the GOP know better and that everyone else is mistaken.”

Who does that, Jammie? Surely you have some evidence of that.

Or not.

tbs

February 26th, 2013
6:29 pm

Sink

Before the election several bloggers were posting stories about the polls being incorrect because they oversampled Democrats. I noticed you posted an excerpt from the Pew Poll……

Same whining and deflection in my book.

As for free money, I have never been on any government assistance. While there is fraud and abuse I am thankful that it is there for those who needed. Your tired ass has never given me anything nor ever will, but you keep thinking that if it makes you feel better about yourself………. And also discussing it with the gas station guy.

tbs

February 26th, 2013
6:29 pm

“those who need it…………….”

F. Sinkwich

February 26th, 2013
6:30 pm

“(Especially those lazy black people on the Dem plantation getting their free stuff, right Frankie?)”

Jammie makes stuff up. Who knew?

JamVet

February 26th, 2013
6:30 pm

Keep, and let’s not forget one of Frankie’s new enemies of the Republican state – Chris Christie.

Good times in the lunatic fringe!

Get the Sodium pentathol, Pavulon and Potassium chloride ready, cons…

BSNBC

February 26th, 2013
6:32 pm

Fire people but don’t cut Obama’s salary and perks!

josef

February 26th, 2013
6:32 pm

Okay, I’ll play. A lot of folks kept harping on the GOP to take a cold, hard look at itself and where it was going. They have begun to. As their voices of moderation begin to ascend, the independents are paying attention. The more attention they pay, the stronger the voices of moderation become. The stronger they become, the more an alternative the GOP becomes. So be careful what you ask for, you just might get it. The Dems might want to take a cue and do the same thing…

Welcome to the Occupation

February 26th, 2013
6:35 pm

Boehner: “Spending is the problem, and spending cuts are the solution.”

And since Obama agrees, spending cuts is what we’re going to get. LOTS of them.

tbs

February 26th, 2013
6:36 pm

josef

That is very true, but they are both like huge ships that are slow to turn around. GOP will make real and cosmetic changes in attempts get the middle back as the Democrats wait and see. When that happens, the Democrats will say…. “we have to do something” and the viscous cycle and uneasy dance between the parties continues

nobodyouknow

February 26th, 2013
6:36 pm

I got news for you folks, THEY ARE ALL OUT OF TOUCH WITH THE COMMON PERSON. Visit Washington, go see where the politicans live, where they relax, the homes they live in, the cars they drive. Some years ago one network (don’t remember who) did a peice on the new gym facility these people go to at no charge to them. (but to us). It was beautiful and staffed with trainers, dietitians, and others. Mabey Jay can tell us if its true that they vote each other increases in pay. The Democrats like to boast they are the common peoples party. I know the Republicans don’t want to tax the wealthy. Thats true, but if one beleives the Democrats are so in touch with the poor and needy? I don’t buy it. I don’t trust ANY politican. Last time I commented on problems with both party’s some deep thinker named Keith called me a Republican (retard). I may be somewhat retarded but I’m no Republican.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes, oh and -- FREE FRED!

February 26th, 2013
6:36 pm

The stronger they become, the more an alternative the GOP becomes. So be careful what you ask for, you just might get it.

Good.

I hope they do.

Then, maybe we can put the center back where it should be.

Until then — I’ll believe it when I see it.

independent thinker

February 26th, 2013
6:39 pm

Out of touch? You got to be kidding, Jay. These people are brain dead.

First their two chosen clowns and party mouthpieces tell the big lie that Obama cut $716 billion from Medicare and granny will have to die from increased premiums and lower benefits with Lyan Ryan using his momma as a prop.Worse yet he cut Medicare Advantage – granny has to pay for her gym membership but actually the private insurers their imbecile president put in charge of Medicare can no longer make big profits and pay themselves bonuses off of granny.
Now the same buffoons claim Obama has done nothing to cut entitlements while Boner has the House in permanent recess and the Senate GOP has sent McCain and Graham to the White House to beg for forgiveness and try to work a deal with Obama after these two trashed Hillary and Hagel. Any idea why their own call them the stupid party?Yeah bring Romney to C-PAC to explain why he does not want his tax deductions or revenue from offshore cut to gin up the imbeciles in the base-great idea.They haven’t a clue.

josef

February 26th, 2013
6:40 pm

TBS

I agree. You would think that the Dems would see this, move and act now to be a step ahead when the time comes. But, that would require some forethought and that’s not either party’s strong point…

That Black Guy

February 26th, 2013
6:41 pm

indigo

February 26th, 2013
5:07 pm
And, 100% of the cons here worship their Republican idols and trash Obama everyway they can.
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What is it with you and your need to stuff people into boxes so *YOU* don’t actually have to think?

As a “lib/dem”, you are supposed to be for same sex marriage and against drug testing to receive welfare. That is, according to the *box stuffers*. :roll:

But you aren’t.

Kinda makes your “100% of the …” arguement, ummmm………sucking ftupid.

josef

February 26th, 2013
6:43 pm

K’CHAK

“Until then — I’ll believe it when I see it”

Not being one to predict the future myself, I tend to agree with that. But the signs are there and the liberal left might want to pay a little closer attention to what they may mean and not go dancing on the tomb of their opposition just yet…

F. Sinkwich

February 26th, 2013
6:44 pm

“Keep, and let’s not forget one of Frankie’s new enemies of the Republican state – Chris Christie.”

Linkee?

Look Jammie, I’m a proud conservative with a serious libertarian bent. Yet you’re an embarrassed to admit you’re a flaming liberal, just like most who post here. “Progressive” seems to be the new euphemism for pinko these days.

DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda

February 26th, 2013
6:46 pm

josef: As their voices of moderation begin to ascend,

Hiya josef!!

Well, josef — as SuperFly said in the movie, “Superfly” — Talk is cheap. Show me the money.

The GOP talk a good game, then they turn around and give tax breaks to people who own their own private aircrafts (or the company that makes them); and then cut education funds, Pre-K, and deny their citizens a chance to get matching funds from Obamacare.

Like I said, they TALK real nice and pretty and then SAY what they think you want to hear, but when it’s time to actually CHANGE what they’re doing, they somehow don’t change anything — just remain the same.

JamVet

February 26th, 2013
6:46 pm

The stronger they become, the more an alternative the GOP becomes.

True dat. Huntsman, Jindal (maybe), Christie.

And the now disgusted American voters threw out some of the most virulent and extreme of them like West, Akin, Walsh, Mourdock and Allen. (Bachmann survived, but barely, and in a district that she should have won, handily.)

But as of today? Moderate Republicans still have one helluva time winning their primaries and running the purity tested gauntlet.

So, as of today, that moderating wing of the GOP is as about strong as a ten minute old foal.

And there is some considerable debate as to whether that neocon mare will allow her newborn to suckle and live….. or not.

But to your point jonix, it would greatly help the nation if that party did generally return to positions of the reasoned and reasonable center and gave up their Christians only, whites only reactionary madness…

Welcome to the Occupation

February 26th, 2013
6:46 pm

Does Jay Bookman really think there is any real difference between Barack Obama and John Boehner?

Obama basically agrees with Boehner about spending. He agrees with Paul Ryan more or less, too. It’s just that because of his party affiliation, Obama can’t come right out and say he’s about dismantling the centerpieces of social welfare in America. So he offers the fig leaf of token tax rate increases. And if the Republicans only knew how to take yes for an answer, we would be swiftly on our way to where we’re headed anyway: Euro style austerity, with its concomitant social turmoil.