On gay marriage, the GOP monolith crumbles a bit

JAY

Well the idea these homophobes are starting to see they have no business in our bedrooms is a good start. The resistent GOP’s are happy because it reduces the amount of competition for the christian right wingnuts cash..

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Amazing how quickly the country came aboard…now if only the rest of the country would get on board with colorado and washington, we would be in for some high times and shrinking state deficits!!!

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Good morning to all y’all…

“Some 70 percent of Americans under 30 support gay marriage”… Well, I’m more than a few degree’s north of 30, but I agree that all people have the right to marry whomever they choose. Pursuit of happiness is a right granted to ALL Americans.

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The court thwarting the will of the people likely won’t happen. 30+ states support marriage as between one man and one woman with constitutional amendments.

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Maybe Rupaul should contribute $500k to Obama’s super-pac Organizing for Action. With quarterly access to the President through his new pay to play program, Rupaul might be able to influence this legislation and pick up some fashion tips from Michelle at the same time.

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I think there are a handful of relatively sane Republicans left who can see that if they don’t enter the 21st century they’ll become a comical 3rd party.

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wait, I thought all republicans were neanderthals per standard liberal doctrine

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Liberal Mess

February 26th, 2013
9:10 am

The court thwarting the will of the people likely won’t happen. 30+ states support marriage as between one man and one woman with constitutional amendments.
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Those will fall.

It will be the law of the land.

And it is wonderful.

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ATL Born and Raised

@Liberal Mess They supported marriage as between one white man and one white woman, too. The Supreme Court put the kabosh on that.

The Supreme Court hasn’t ruled yet.

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Jm

Your first mistake was thinking.

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Nothing to see here. Just the latest instance of the rightwing pandering for votes in 2014. Same with immigration.

In the end, the cons will do nothing.

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Cool.

Now Manti Te’o can marry the “girl” of his dreams.

How precious…

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‘The homosexual lifestyle is just as dangerous.’

How’s life in 1952?

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or perhaps liberals are full of cr-p

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There’s a whole African continent to scramble for, Jay Bookman. You really think these leaders, Dem or GOP, are going to sit around on their hands and let those goodies go to the Chinese?

If so, you are one cheap date man.

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The “high court” also claims that marijuana is a schedule one dru(equal to heroin) , that a person doesn’t have the right to end their own life,that Corporations are People, and that torture is permitted.
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The People……….(the decent ones)………….say otherwise.
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One day…………you subserviant metro/federos will get a clue.
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I seriously doubt our founding fathers ever had any intention of having the Constitution interpreted to mean that “gay people have a constitutional right to marry”.

Social experiments are, along with other things, going to eventually be our downfall.

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Calling homosexuality a natural trait of humanity is not a form of progress. It is a progressive form of liberal nonsense.

Linking such out-of-the-closet pride with modern acceptance is nothing more than liberal propaganda that attempts to alienate natural moral standards. It might seem to support the validity of basic human rights, but is far from the idea that homosexuality is a natural behavior.

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L. Mess — “The Supreme Court hasn’t ruled yet.”

Fortunately, they’re going to find that creating a ’separate but equal’ status via civil partnerships is unConstitutional and gay marriage will become legal nationwide.

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@indigo That was exactly the same arguement people were throwing out before the Virgina v. Love ruling.

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Among items mentioned thus far:
RuPaul is cuter then either Obama.
My favorite part of MacFarlane’s Oscar performance was the LA Gay Men’s chorus singing *I Saw Your Boobs.* According to the NYT some angry, bitter, hostile old white actresses were not amused. I don’t know any actresses.
But I do know a number of old white folks, gay and straight. Not a one of them is bitter or hostile.

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@Donovan Considering homosexual behavior is documented and observed across many different species seems to prove that it is indeed a very natural behavior.

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Marx said that communism can not come until the government breaks the churches hold on the people and the people look to the government for their belief system.

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donovan

Ever conjure up a thought or two what it must be like to be born different in that sense? Yes, we need to procreate to carry on humanity but why punish those who are born different? Just let it go and move on to more anti obama rants if that’s what makes your day… we are all equally human, like it or not…

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Why is it not surprising that fighting against denying people equality and rights is considered by those who are the ones denying those rights to be exploitation? I can assure you that the LGBT community is not the ones complaining that the Dems are exploiting them. But I am sure we’ll hear more exploitation stupidity.

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Right on time that ..9:33.
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An Opologist……………trying to look in the mirror.

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THJ – That is indeed a scary proposition. Makes one wonder about the Fourth Amendment. Just wrong, no matter your party affiliation.

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Who care about this topic! This group has become another minority class that feels they need special treatment(s)!!!! Politically incorrectness is for the spineless! GOP is standing on the biblical beliefs that this country is founded on and hopefully want be forgotten by the masses!!!

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Two Republican Texas lawmakers have filed bills that would cut funding for schools and universities that have policies supporting their LGBT students and staff.

More exploitation by Dems?

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If you’re gonna carp about teh AIDZ and other STD’s, lesbians have the lowest rate of anyone, including heterosexual women.

Aquagirl, I seriously doubt our “liberal mess” has any problem with female same-sexers…

when he watches his pr0n.

(As long as they’re hawt and not, you know, real-life same-sexers, but rather hetero actresses who really want “liberal mess” to join in the fun, really, they do! Right, “liberal mess?”)

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Interesting cases. But the Court is leaving itself some wiggle room.

In the Prop 8 case the Court directed the attorneys to address “Whether petitioners have standing under Article III, Section 2 of the Constitution in this case.” as well as the
“Question presented:
Whether the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment
prohibits the State of California from defining marriage as the union of a man and
a woman. ”

The 14th Amendment reads: “No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

I would love to hear the oral arguments.

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Jerome: That is indeed a scary proposition. Makes one wonder about the Fourth Amendment. Just wrong, no matter your party affiliation.

A canine search, outside your vehicle, does not run afoul of the 4th Amendment. There is no expected right to privacy when you’re on a public road, which is where a checkpoint would be set up. “Mr. Ron Paul’s Shadow” tends to get a bit excited when freedom stuff comes up.

He might wanna go help out is fellow Libertarian, Glenn Beck though. Seems as though the Iron Sheik is about to open a can of whoop as on him for running his mouth.

https://twitter.com/the_ironsheik/status/305490867299442688

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“promote the anti-family agenda”

Newt Gingrich already did that.

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Seems as though the Iron Sheik is about to open a can of whoop as[s] on him for running his mouth.

What a long, strange trip it’s been.

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The GOP may not “Go Gay” anytime soon … but sooner or later they’ll have to come to grips with the fact that vilifying Gay Americans is no longer a vote-getter for them. Back in 2009 a CBS News survey found that while only 18% of Americans over the age of 65 supported marriage equality for Gay couples, 41% of American under the age of 45 supported it. That was FOUR YEARS AGO, and the generational shift in attitudes among young people toward their Gay friends and family members is accelerating.

Even conservative columnist Andrew Stuttaford grudgingly acknowledged this: “I fully understand (even if I do not agree with) the idea that same-sex unions are a threat to conventional marriage and I fully understand those who argue that opposition to gay marriage is a fundamental principle too important to be abandoned for reasons of political expediency, but these findings should, I reckon, at least be some sort of warning to those who assume that the GOP’s current position on this issue will continue to be a vote-winner.”.

30 years ago most Americans were not aware of any Gay friends, family members, or co-workers. Today most Americans ARE aware, and they have become dramatically more accepting and supportive of the Gay people and Gay couples in their lives. And social networking sites like Facebook have made the proverbial “closet” virtually obsolete. The Republican Party ignores this growing acceptance at their own peril. The economy is important, yes… but your friends are PERSONAL.

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A married friend of mine says he all for gay marriage. Says everyone should have the right to be as miserable as the rest of us!

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“Those who continue to throw themselves across the path of history in an attempt to block that progress do themselves, their party and their legacy a disservice.”

Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

- Isaiah 5:20

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td

Exactly how do gays getting married constitute a “war against the church”?

Not sure if you realize this but we do not live in a theocracy and “the church” will have no legal mandate to marry gay folks

But do blather on as if this would somehow impact your daily life and how you believe and worship.

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DG – The government needs to get out of the marriage business altogether.

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“the church” will have no legal mandate to marry gay folks

I really, truly, do wish that someone would sponsor a reputable polling outfit to learn just what percentage of regular churchgoers actually believe that it will.

Because given the crazed vociferousness I continue to see by some, I really think that percentage is significant. (Nothing like a majority, but probably 20-25%, and among self-identifying conservative Christians, probably a lot higher.)

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alittlecommonsense — “The government should get out of the marriage business entirely. Let everyone gay or straight have a legal contract that can vary from state to state. Call it a civil union or whatever. If someone wants to get “married” with a ceremony, fine.”

Many European nations do something like this already. Everyone goes down to City Hall or whereever and executes the legal documents, which makes them married.

Then, them what wants to go have a big wedding ceremony in a church can do that. And them what don’t want to, don’t do it. But either way, folks are legally married.

I think this would be best for everyone, especially if churches weren’t under any obligation or threat of penalty for not marrying couples for some religious reason or other. The couple could still get married and the church wouldn’t have to violate any of its tenets.

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Lord Help Us

‘The homosexual lifestyle is just as dangerous.’

Do you ‘know’ this from experience?

Absolutely not. I know it from being informed and looking at statistics.

http://www.cdc.gov/

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“I really, truly, do wish that someone would sponsor a reputable polling outfit to learn just what percentage of regular churchgoers actually believe that it will.”

http://blogs.phillymag.com/bridal_bulletin/2012/10/23/discrimination-lawsuit-wedding-venue-filed-same-sex-marriage-legal-york/

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Gays are certainly allowed to marry like everyone else — no special treatment there.

Just like black people could marry black people and white people could marry white people, and then those crazy folk had to go cry discrimination and special rights and stuff.

Now look what happened, we have a black guy in the White House. Now THAT’s unnatural, why do you think God made the darn house WHITE? Huh?!?!

[insert your own random Bible verse here for bonus self-righteousness points]

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ATL Born and Raised

@Liberal Mess I was merely pointing out that the SC has “thwarted the will of the people” on a similar issue before.

When? I’ve never heard of them striking down a ballot measure. I could understand if they strike down DOMA but not state constitutional amendments voted on and supported by the people.

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Thanks for the clarification Bro……….. Don’t like it, but, that’s my problem. Just seems a little too much Big Brother to me. I’m big on Civil Liberties and this appears to be a random search. Now, if I fall out of a van followed by a cloud of funny smelling smoke ala Fast Times At Ridgemont High I’d expect the drug dog. But, I’d like to think they need a reason. Again thanks for the clarification.

And I’m staying clear of the Iron Shiek. ANd enjoy your daughters – the first twelve years are great, the teenage years are horrible, and then they return in their twenties. Like the prior poster I have first hand experience.

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Augagirl:”.What’s your next trick Mr. Mess, shrinking the Republican tent to the size of a Yugo?”

But but…Newt’s ego would not fit in the tent/Yugo!

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Will there be more gays if they are allowed to marry?

Hahahahaahah

One of you needs to come out of the closet, but I will keep from getting banned and hold that thought..

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The republicans mentioned above are shrewd politicians. There has been substantial movement among young adults in America away from traditional Christianity. Per Pew Research: in 2007 15% of Americans identified themselves as non-Christians. In 2012 it was 20% and is expected to rise to 25% by 2017. Also: in 1980 51% of Americans believed the Bible is word-for-word true. In 2010 that had dropped to 34% and is expected to dip under 30% by the end of the decade.

Religious trends in America are moving quickly away from the born-again evangelicalism of the GOP. Case in point: last November two religious right extremists were defeated in US Senate elections (Missouri and Indiana).

If the GOP is to remain relevant nationally is had to dump the perverted religious right agenda. I say perverted because it is a true perversion of the message of Jesus Christ.

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“But do blather on as if this would somehow impact your daily life and how you believe and worship.”

Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

- Isaiah 5:20

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Theophilus @ 9.57, I don’t really need to distinguish for you the various legal difference between a publicly-accessed place of for-profit business and a place of worship, do I?

also, people bring lawsuits all the time. They don’t win ‘em all the time, though. Did you ever bother to follow up on that one (1) 4-month-old story you’ve linked?

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Aquagirl

February 26th, 2013
9:57 am

too funny…

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Aquagirl

The homosexual lifestyle is just as dangerous.

What exactly is unhealthy? If you’re gonna carp about teh AIDZ and other STD’s, lesbians have the lowest rate of anyone, including heterosexual women.

Jamming so much homophobia, misogyny, and garden variety ignorance in one small sentence is quite a feat…..What’s your next trick Mr. Mess, shrinking the Republican tent to the size of a Yugo?

No homophobia here. People are free to do what they want. Just pointing out facts. Here’s great read on the dangers of homosexuality.

http://downloads.frc.org/EF/EF10F01.pdf

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Here’s great read on the dangers of homosexuality

The Family Research Council needs to be droned.

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“The vitriol on here towards from conservatism is astonishing!!”

That’s how it goes down here. Not from all conservatives though. There is the group that actually engages their brain before releasing the brake.

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Hey, Theopolis, another question–

can you tell me when the Catholic Church was mandated to recognize legal divorce?

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Family Research Council!! Thanks Mess, I needed a good laugh today!

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Bro – Knew about the border crossing angle from personal experience. Back in the 80’s we were coming back into the US from Canada. The Border Patrol (or appropriate LE official) took one look at us – long hair, faded jeans, really nice car – and thought he hit the jackpot. Went thru the whole car – tapping all the hollow spots. Best he could do was find some prescription travel meds for our dog.

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MAYBE IF LIBERALS SPENT MORE TIME FOCUSING ON HELPING PEOPLE THAN WORRYING ABOUT WHAT REPUBLICANS ARE OR AREN’T DOING IN THEIR PARTY………..

THEN SOME PROBLEMS COULD BE SOLVED

BUT I GET IT………. ITS NOT ABOUT HELPING PEOPLE…… OR SOLVING PROBLEMS…….. ITS ABOUT BEING RIGHT

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Peadawg

Where are the statistics? That goes to the CDC home page.

I always knew libs were lazy but this is ridiculous.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/basic.htm#exposure

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Every day the AJC/CNN has something about homosexuals and homosexuals getting married. Everyday! Now is that reporting news or is it shaping the news to change the minds of the uninformed.
I think we should change the 1st amd. We should put some CONTROL over it. I mean people really dont need that kind of power to live their lives.

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Theophilus it is never appropriate to quote the Bible during a political discussion. The Constitution? Yes. The Bible? No.

“An alliance or coalition between Government and religion cannot be too carefully guarded against……Every new and successful example therefore of a perfect separation between ecclesiastical and civil matters is of importance……..religion and government will exist in greater purity, without rather than with the aid of government.”

James Madison, author of the Bill Of Rights, 1822.

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td

February 26th, 2013
9:30 am

This effort is just the next step in the progressive war against the church.

For real?! what war and just which church IS that? This country is based on the principle of SEPARATION of church and state…so per your logic, we were doomed to Marxizm from the get-go.
If people are allowed to practice their FAITH unbridled by a single group’s religious doctrines, the government will reflect the decency of its peoples…all of its peoples. It is arrogant and wrong-headed to believe that only the Christian religion can keep America from tyranny. Most Christians ARE tyrannical in their own governing, and suspicious and dismissive even of each other. As a Christian, I object to “Christians” who want to rule my government and my personal life. “Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s and unto God, the things that are God’s”. Tend to your personal faith and stay out of others’ lives, please.

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fedup

‘The homosexual lifestyle is just as dangerous’

So is working in the coal mines for those who hate govt. safety regulation.

Perhaps but do we prop it up as if it something great to do. Wise up folks. Its a fact that homosexuals have an extremely high risk for STD’s. Why does the Red Cross ask you questions before they draw your blood? They simply realize the risk..

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“Marriage should be a religious matter. Let the churches fight out who can get married.””

Nope. Churches should stay out of marriage. It’s a legal contract, not a religous one.

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Tbone — “I am not going to actively seek a means to stop those hell bent on succumbing to the flesh. It’s called free will and we will all be held accountable soon enough.”

By whom?

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So much wrong

Just call me Wrongo Starr.

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“I think we should change the 1st amd. We should put some CONTROL over it. I mean people really dont need that kind of power to live their lives.”

willieb – there are many countries extant where you may be happier. Free speech is controlled in may places that have major airports…

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TBS
“The question before the SC is not what the majority of Dems, Repubs or anyone thinks but if gay marriage should be legal?”

No it is not. It is a guise to change the definition of marriage. Marriage is between one man and one woman. Unions are for the homosexuals. Hopefully the SC is moral enough to allow unions to have the same benefits but does not change the definition of marriage.

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Jerome

I apologize on behalf of my brothers. That’s why I don’t like profiling.

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stands for decibels – I got your “debt crisis” right here

Here’s great read on the dangers of homosexuality

The Family Research Council needs to be droned.

That really helps your cause. And Bookman is nowhere to be found.

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Aquagirl:

I guess facts are hard to accept when they don’t conform to what you believe. That’s fine your entitled to your opinion….

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That really helps your cause.

It would help a bit–we would be rid of some radical clerics operating within a domestic terror organization. Of course the collateral damage is always difficult to explain away.

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“Wise up folks. Its a fact that homosexuals have an extremely high risk for STD’s”

In Africa the highest incidence of AIDS is among heterosexuals.

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“Compelling a business person to marry gays in violation of his conscience would prohibit the free exercise of his religion. A similar rationale lies behind protection for conscientious objectors.”

Nobody is forced to marry anyone.

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POOR JAY
HE MUST NOT BE CHRISTIAN……… HE SPENDS ALL HIS TIME WORRYING ABOUT WHAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS DOING AND LESS ABOUT HIS OWN PARTY

MAKES ME THINK OF THE PARABLE BY JESUS

Matthew 7:5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye

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Compelling a business person to marry gays in violation of his conscience would prohibit the free exercise of his religion. A similar rationale lies behind protection for conscientious objectors.

Nobody’s being compelled to do jack sh*t!!! Legalizing something doesn’t mean that you automatically have to do it. Geez… It’s too early in the morning for the stooopids>.

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I love all the straight people with opinions about whether gay peoples relationships are worthy or not of marriage. When the f*** do gay people get to vote on whether straight peoples relationships are worthy?

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L. Mess — “There’s a higher incidence of everything on that unhealthy continent.”

I’m sure Doggone appreciates your surrender on that particular point.

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Liberal Mess, your silence indicates assent with my assertion that you’re ok with the lesbians in your hetero porn. Thanks!

Somewhere, there’s a chimpanzee getting a whipping.

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“Really, that 26 page PDF is chock-full of the dangers of homosexuality? What exactly are these gays doing that takes 26 pages to document? I’ve done a few wild things in my life and ran out of energy long before 26 pages worth.

Maybe it’s like those religious anti-gay videos, an hour and more of nearly naked men, writhing their sweat-covered, muscular, firm bodies in godless ecstasy. A few minutes just doesn’t get the point across so homophobes force themselves to watch hours and hours. All for godly purity, of course.”

Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! – Isaiah 5:20

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Nobody is forced to marry anyone.

this friggin’… person, seems to think that renting a publicly available facility for a wedding = “forcing a businessman to marry gays.”

Still no answer, I see, on when the RCC was forced to accept legal divorce.

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Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil

I also got your “Woe” right here. For the record.

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“Somewhere, there’s a chimpanzee getting a whipping.”

Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked or stand in the way of sinners or sit in the seat of mockers. – Psalm 1:1

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jewcowboy

February 26th, 2013
10:21 am
They are the ones who are attempting to make the changes to thousands of years of culture not the straight ones as you say. Is that toooooooooo deep for you.

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Atl – 9:31

Was that case about gay marriage? If not, it has nothing to do with what’s being discussed here.

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TBS:

Well perhaps all that will be introduced into testimony in support of your side. LOL…

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“I guess facts are hard to accept when they don’t conform to what you believe”

I guess faith is hard to justify when the facts don’t conform to what you believe.

Homosexuality is no more, and no less, “dangerous” than is heterosexuality. Pity you don’t like THAT fact.

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JohnnyReb

February 26th, 2013
10:24 am
Good post. It goes to the heart of the matter.

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williebkind,

“They are the ones who are attempting to make the changes to thousands of years of culture not the straight ones as you say. Is that toooooooooo deep for you”

I would suggest you do a little research and see what “traditional” marriage through the centuries has really meant…and it isn’t just the little wifey and hubby fallin in love.

http://www.upworthy.com/the-top-8-ways-to-be-traditionally-married-according-to-the-bible

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Interesting Jay- why not say “I got nothing”. Kind of like reading about Super Bowl VII.

Let’s all tune in to Bernanke as he describes again about the fragile economy, the need for more stimulus (don’t we all!), and don’t you little people worry about oil (gas) and food inflation. You can buy computers and other plastic stuff on the cheap!

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“wishes of the state ”

JohnnyReb someone with a moniker such as yours should understand that states have done all kinds of things to improperly restrict the rights of free Americans.

And yeah, sometimes the courts are the only option.

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fedup – 10:14 “a lot of Baptist preachers who covet their neighbor’s wives”

And some of these Baptist preachers covet their neighbor’s husbands. And some covet their neighbor’s children.

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What does this have to do with MARTA or charter schools in Georgia ????

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“And some of these Baptist preachers covet their neighbor’s husbands. And some covet their neighbor’s children.”

Only a vile disgusting person thinks like that.

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“the wish to apply the “fairness doctrine” to squelch the 1st amendment rights of conservative talk show hosts”

When you have to lie to prove your point, you have no point.

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No, the significance is yet another case where states, the majority in this case, have voted against an issue, the Left won’t accept that outcome, and takes the court route.

Sounds like the same thing cons did about the ACA, yet I didn’t hear you griping about that. I guess it’s ok to use the courts when you agree with the group, huh?

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Liberal Mess – It is not a coincidence that the US states with the lowest high school gradation rates are also the states with the highest per capita percentage of evangelical Christians.

Evangelical Christianity and the belief in Biblical inerrancy are the domain of inferior minds.

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““if you don’t have a REAL point, yom the ou can always quote the Bible.” – Thomas Jefferson”

- from the proface to his bowdlerized version of the NT.

I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.

- Revelation 22:18-19

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your typical dog MAY be smarter than a Federale

I’ve always wondered who among us actually finds those sad[1] “My dog is smarter than your honor student” bumper stickers to be remotely funny.

(they might have been, for about five minutes, twenty years ago, but I forgot if I ever laughed.)

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1. Sad not because of the original intent, which was to wisecrack at the expense of the then-popular “My Kid Is an Honor Student At Richardbreath Elementary!” stickers. But seriously, how often do you even see such things these days? It’s not a joke any more when the object of ridicule doesn’t even exist.

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Voter — “Homosexuality is a sin, heterosexuality is not.”

“Sin” is irrelevant to legality.

“THAT is why the liberal left and gays don’t like it and try to justify their sin by saying it’s bigotry or hate. Sin is sin.”

Fortunately, as an atheist, I am immune to the notion of sin. So now what?

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Homosexuality is a sin

So believe an ever-dwindling percentage of devout Christians. So what?

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Gays should be able to experience the full spectrum of being in love: gay marriage, gay affairs with the pool boy, gay divorce, gay spousal support, gay property division, gay visitation of the adopted kids, and lastly the former gay spouse claiming a social security benefit of 50% of their former spouse. Go ahead and live the dream if you dare.

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“Homosexuality is a sin, heterosexuality is not. THAT is why the liberal left and gays don’t like it and try to justify their sin by saying it’s bigotry or hate. Sin is sin.”

Divorce is also a sin. Why aren’t you crying out that divorce/re-marriage be outlawed?

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“When you have to lie to prove your point, you have no point.”

Precisely. So why do you do it?

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“Homosexuality is a sin, heterosexuality is not”

Then don’t do it. End of problem. What others do is not up to YOUR religious precepts.

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“According to Jesus, Voter, divorce and remarriage is a sin.”

Yep.

Divorce is a CHOICE! God created “Adam and Eve,” not “Adam and Eve, then Adam and Suzy, then Adam and Calista!”

Its “Until death do you part.”…NOT…”Until the next bimbo.”

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Cherokee:

“According to Jesus, Voter, divorce and remarriage is a sin.
Get back to me when you start tossing divorced people out of your church.”

You would be correct except for the one exception Jesus gave and that was if one partner was unfaithful in the marriage the other was allowed to divorce and remarry.

That said ……….. divorced people are not “tossed out of the church”, or gay people, or people living with someone not their spouse, or liars, or cheaters, or drug addicts or whatever. A church is a hospital for people who are sick spiritually.

God does not discriminate based on “worth” ! He does discriminate based on “roles”. For example, the Bible is clear that pastors and deacons should NOT be divorced.

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ON RIGHT TO LIFE, THE DEMOCRAT MONOLITH CRUMBLES A BIT

Democrats for Life website:

http://www.democratsforlife.org/

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“Fortunately, as an atheist, I am immune to the notion of sin. So now what?”

Cast your vote for any and all abortions, gay marriage, free speech that encompasses pornography and so on. Then hope like the Dickens you are not wrong about there being a God as the Bible attests.

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Voter,

“You missed the point entirely. His point was States have the right, by majority, to vote in certain laws.”

You missed the point entirely. States cannot enact something that goes against the basic tenants of the Constitution.

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“Precisely. So why do you do it?”

Physician, heal thyself

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“A church is a hospital for people who are sick spiritually.”

I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

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I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues

Little known fact: the Revelation of John was actually the first-ever chain letter.

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@Doggone/GA – “Then don’t do it. End of problem. What others do is not up to YOUR religious precepts.”

I didn’t say it did. God did.

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“Let me add that sin is between the person sinning and God. Not you or anybody else.”

Phineas asks “What”?

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There are religions who believe women to be inferior, but they are not permitted to strip away hiring protections for women. Why are religions allowed to strip away the marriage rights of gays?

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williebkind – 10:31

Take off your blinders, son.

There’s a whole world out there called “reality”.

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POOR LIBERALS

THEY DONT UNDERSTAND JESUS………… OTHERWISE THEY WOULD HEED HIS WISE WORDS

Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

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Where is Bookman? The vitriol coming form homosexual marriage supporters towards traditional marriage supporters on this blog is very enlightening. It truly shows he has no control of the of his rabid followers. It also shows how he only seems to patrol and punish those who voice opposition to him and his ilk. I’ll see that his boss’s are notified of this….

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@jewcowboy – “You missed the point entirely. States cannot enact something that goes against the basic tenants of the Constitution.”

I agree with that. Ant the Constitution doesn’t provide for gay marriage.

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“Gays should be able to experience the full spectrum of being in love: gay marriage, gay affairs with the pool boy, gay divorce, gay spousal support, gay property division, gay visitation of the adopted kids, and lastly the former gay spouse claiming a social security benefit of 50% of their former spouse. Go ahead and live the dream if you dare.”

They want gay marriage but will claim the need for special treatment in the courts for divorce and property division. It is not about being treated equally, it is about being treated specially.

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Theophilus, what are your own sins that society needs protection from?

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“Ant the Constitution doesn’t provide for gay marriage.”

I suggest you do a little research into something called the Equal Protection Clause.

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Liberals are statists by nature; I think it’s in their DNA. They don’t always win on a local level and turn to big brother to plead their case.

Liberals are trying to make gay marriage a human rights issue. They are convinced it is. The majority of states have already said no it is not.

Marriage is traditionally controlled by states; each has its law that requires certain prerequisites to obtain a marriage license necessary before the legal binding.

The Feds have no business, right or Constitutional authority to over rule states when it comes to marriage.

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“I didn’t say it did. God did”

Did you get the in writing, straight from the hand of God?

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“Homosexuality is a sin, heterosexuality is not.”

Right, and there should never be an abortion in America, even in the case of rape.

But how does that message play with voters? Ask Mr. Akin in Missouri and Mr. Mourdoch in Indiana. I’m sure they both have plenty of time to answer, being that their religious extremism cost the GOP 2 Senate seats last November.

It’s time for the religious right to take their idiocy and get the hell out of the republican party. You are not wanted.

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“ake off your blinders, son.

There’s a whole world out there called “reality”.”

Oh I dont have blinders, I see the behavior in movies, in the AJC, in CNN and in any liberal broadcast. You are confusing understanding with nonacceptance. The latter is where I stand with my eyes wide open.

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“Ant the Constitution doesn’t provide for gay marriage”

Where does it ban gay marriage?

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Voter — “I agree with that. Ant the Constitution doesn’t provide for gay marriage.”

It also doesn’t provide for air travel or telephone service, either.

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Oink for me Mess baby, I love it when you squeal like that guy in Deliverance. It’s the sound of your pink flesh being pounded into submission by the 21st century.

Well, this is the reason why I say any man thinking about getting married ought to be forced to spend three days getting cut to ribbons by Aquagirl.

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“Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.”

Give a man a free phone, the promise of free healthcare, welfare, a gay lover, all while trampling the constitution and he will vote democrat for life. You gotta learn how the Coo koo -man crowd thinks.

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Scout – 10:41

Any hospital that had the same treatment results as churches, would have it’s doors closed by the authorities and be facing an avalanche of lawsuits.

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“Ant the Constitution doesn’t provide for gay marriage.”

Oh…and for the record it doesn’t say anything about straight marriage. So under the Equal Protection Clause, if gays can’t marry…I guess all straight marriages are invalidated.

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February 26th, 2013
10:41 am

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HE/SHE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN SHALL CAST THE FIRST STONE!

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STICKS AND STONES MAY BREAK MY BONES BUT OBAMACARE WILL REALLY COST ME

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@Doggone/GA – “Did you get the in writing, straight from the hand of God?”

Yes, got that in writing. Would you like some Bible verses to read? He also said some Commandments about idols, coveting, murder, adultery and the consequences. Look at what has happened to the nations who have failed to heed His words. Not necessarily judgements from God but destroyed from within. Sin is corrupt and will destroy everything in it’s path.

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“The Feds have no business, right or Constitutional authority to over rule states when it comes to marriage.”

Of course they do. For example Loving vs Virginia.”

was a landmark civil rights decision of the United States Supreme Court which invalidated laws prohibiting interracial marriage.

There you go again comparing race to sexual behavior. How ignorant can you really become?

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“I guess faith is hard to justify when the facts don’t conform to what you believe.”

Prove that statement.

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Google “guess.”

Then google “statement.”

Always glad to help!

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“but will claim the need for special treatment in the courts for divorce and property division”

got proof?

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“throw themselves across the path of history”……lovely prose. Good start, the GOP needs to shed the severe social conservatism and quickly they will gain traction with the independents. This does nothing to dissuade the far left, but that is impossible anyway, mabye not 47%, but a large number of people. There never was a monolith,that is a left wing interpretation of the far right wing, just as “welfare babies” is in the opposite direction. Stereotyping is lazy,unless acutely necessary for survival.

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“There you go again comparing race to sexual behavior.”

Not in the least, willie! I made the very specific point that the Supreme Court does indeed decide marriage issues.

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Theophilus

“Since you cannot prove there is not such a being, there is clearly the possibility that there is.”

Put an ace bandage on that jerking knee, Mec, That’s pretty much my point. And, BTW, I’m a somewhat religious believer…not pious, mind you, just religious…

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“Yes, got that in writing. Would you like some Bible verses to read”

I said “straight from the hand of God” – the Bible books were written by men, not by God. The only thing attributed to “straight from the hand of God” is the 10 Commandments…and even THEY are in 2 versions.

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The late, great Surgeon General Koop was one of the very first in a GOP administration to fight back – with knowledge and compassion – against the fascistic, homophobic American right wing on the matter of gays, AIDS, etc.

Alas, the religious nutjobs and other xenophobes over there have taken two steps back on these matters…

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Theophilus — “That is immaterial to my point: if there is a Biblical God, you will be one unhappy camper upon your “passing”. Since you cannot prove there is not such a being, there is clearly the possibility that there is.”

Piffle. Since you cannot prove that I am not the Emperor of Venus, then clearly it is possible that I actually am.

You need to take a few courses in Philosophy there, “Theophilus.” Ask your prof to go over Russell’s Teapot, because clearly you’ve never heard of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot

(laughing)

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I’m not in the mood to chase rabbits today.

Awww…poor widdle Mess. I’m sure you’re not in the mood to get your @$$ verbally kicked either, yet you’re still here. As long as you lie and tap dance we’re free to smack you like a mid-season CW replacement show.

Now, why again are you claiming homosexuality is unhealthy when according to your own standards and statistics it’s clearly MORE healthy for the majority of the population?

Lack of literacy? Don’t understand women are people? Too homophobic?

Please continue running and dodging, as you’ve noticed watching ignorant people, misogynists and homophobes get flushed is a pastime here, so you’re already providing a nice fat slow-moving target.

Add in cowardly dodger and it just provides another point of contact on your pincushioned butt. Perhaps you’re here promoting the masochistic lifestyle…uh, not that there’s anything wrong with that.

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“Homosexuality is a sin,”

For the Bible tells me so. Geez.

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“…and mommy and daddy paying for the man’s kids to go to the fundamentalist Christian school. As long as we’re getting all familiar and personal”

Nice rebuttal – NOT. I can only assume this is some pathetic attempt to ride the Cookman train regarding vouchers. Dead issue, the abuse is not as rampant as advertised and pales in comparison to the abuses of your liberal kin at the welfare office.

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It’s not exactly comparing sexual behavior to race, it’s comparing the VIEWS on sexual behavior now vs. race in the 60s.

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JHM – Piffle. Since you cannot prove that I am not the Emperor of Venus, then clearly it is possible that I actually am.

I always knew you were royalty

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Off topic:
But if you haven’t watched this excellent series, now’s your chance to see all 4 seasons in order

http://social.entertainment.msn.com/tv/blogs/tv-buzz-blogpost.aspx?post=c859e625-41b7-4010-a686-b285dc2eaa73

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Let people be who they are, mon.

Das what we do here on de island

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Didn’t prezbo PROMISE to cut the deficit in half in his first term? Yea, I think he did. In fact, he also said that if he didn’t, he would be a 1 term president. Hmmm…and didn’t the dems run the whole thing for the first 2 years? Yea, they sure did. But, the deficit went higher, and is still climbing. I wonder what happened?

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Its sad how the liberal masses on here attack religion as if its the only reason to not support homosexual marriage. There’s numerous reasons. Many of which have been mentioned. Still the left reverts back to Christian bashing..

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I can only assume this is some pathetic attempt to ride the Cookman train regarding vouchers.

No, “Liberal Nightmare,” it is about what you’ve owned up to here in these pages, about your own parents paying for your kids’ tuition.

(And if that was another d-bag calling himself “Liberal Nightmare” who’d made that claim a few weeks ago, well, it’s just your tough luck that you’ve got a stupid screen name.)

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TBS

Stop exposing puppets!!!

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Liberal Mess

February 26th, 2013
10:47 am

Where is Bookman? The vitriol coming form homosexual marriage supporters towards traditional marriage supporters on this blog is very enlightening. It truly shows he has no control of the of his rabid followers. It also shows how he only seems to patrol and punish those who voice opposition to him and his ilk. I’ll see that his boss’s are notified of this….
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That’s about the silliest and most ironic post I’ve seen here in a while.

Weak and Whiny and Wimpy…Is that the new heterosexual male ?

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pete
February 26th, 2013
11:07 am

What’s the word…deflecterbation??

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UNCLE SAM

So, there’s some law on the books that says African Americans can’t be dumb sh*ts with their melanin enhanced pointy l’il haids buried in the sand, too?

Equality. Ain’t it grand!

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Liberal Mess once again you are referring to the wrong source for making determination on gay marriage.

It is the Constitution that sets the law of the land, not the Bible.

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Bro

I’d bet a hefty sum in Vegas that this particular one has more than just puppets in the “closet”

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there’s some law on the books that says African Americans can’t be dumb

It’s in the Bible, right next to the “teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime” parable.

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sin is a manufactured crisis.

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(1) Public opinion polls are notoriously variable and unreliable, often depending on the way the question is asked (e.g., “Should same-sex marriage be banned?” vs. “Should marriage continue to be defined as between one man and one woman?”);
(2) Principled conservatives are not abandoning the opposite-sex nature of marriage because the health and survival of our society depends on the institution of marriage;
(3) There are good reasons to think that the institutions of marriage and family will not survive redefinition, which would inevitably lead to legally protected polygamy (including opposite-sex, same-sex, and bisexual vaieties) and incestuous marriage; and
(4) If marriage is redefined, the new definition will be taught to five-year-olds in kindergarten as good and acceptable–leading to the death of marriage.

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AQUAGIRL

Right up there with the Get Out of Leviticus Free card?

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Conservatives are better than Liberals, end of story. If you would like to be sucessful and happy, take responsibility for yourself and you will see the light. Get your hand out of my pocket, Liberal! Are Liberals more smug than Conservatives, you bet? To borrow a line from South Park, “these people are so smug they like the smell of their own farts”. Yep, that is a Liberal. Everyone else pays for their moral debauchery and destructive lifestyle. Think like a winner, think like a conservative! Try it, you’ll like it!

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“Piffle. Since you cannot prove that I am not the Emperor of Venus, then clearly it is possible that I actually am.”

A dumb example. I think I could to the satisfaction of most people. You, however, would have a much harder time proving to people that the orderliness and complexity of the universe is all a result of countless random and highly improbable (actually infinitesimally small) chances.

“You need to take a few courses in Philosophy there, “Theophilus.” Ask your prof to go over Russell’s Teapot, because clearly you’ve never heard of it.”

Russell stupidly didn’t even believe in the historicity of Jesus. And you are citing him?

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SOOTH

Me? Marry you? The rabbi would have a duck fit!

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“Because no matter the number of facts presented your mind will not change.”

What “facts” are those, Mess?

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Some folks require nine weirdo government workers wearing black robes to determine if gays can marry, your give up all rights on public roads, and/or torture is good or bad.
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The smarter (and more decent) folks ……………… don’t.
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I’m out.

Shorter: When I’ve had my ass handed to me by a “federalie”, I haul ass!!!

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““these people are so smug they like the smell of their own farts”

I enjoy striking a match and watching it flare up.

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All I know is, there would be a lot more tolerance, understanding and acceptance in this world if there was a lot less religion.

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TBS

I’m with you on that. Obviously overcompensating for something.

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josef

February 26th, 2013
10:55 am
So true…and sad.

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Brosephus™ – Desktop but still Multitasking

February 26th, 2013
9:58 am

Heyward

Just remember that when you decide to go all Ruby Ridge, the police are carrying more than just handguns now.
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It’ll give new meaning to the song “You light up my life”

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CORBIN

Me? I think the world could probably use a little more religion and a lot less theocratic piety…

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“It’s interesting, and completely puzzling, how you religious here take pure opinion from the Bible and treat it as though it’s a PROVEN FACT.”

What facts do you know? The consensus of a particular group favoring your lifestyle is fact right?

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“There are good reasons to think that the institutions of marriage and family will not survive redefinition”

And they are?

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Russell stupidly didn’t even believe in the historicity of Jesus

You’ve found a contemporaneous historical account of His life? Cool!

share with the class, won’t you? I’ve been wanting to see such a thing pretty much my whole life.

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Historicity? Niiice word, meat!

There can be no doubt that Jesus lived 2,000 years ago.

The part about him rising from the dead after three days and ascending into heaven is HIGHLY doubtful.

You want him to be your savior? Fine, by me.

But the days of you forcing all of our kids to pray to him in public schools, as if he were theirs too, are over. FOREVER.

Get used to it. There is no going back to that madness…

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Liberal Mess has it right above- you can’t give blood if you engaged in homo behaviour. What a**holes at the Red Cross, making homosexuals feel bad just because they may taint the blood supply. Doesn’t the Red Cross know that a Liberals feelings are way more important than society as a whole? Please do not make a Liberal feel bad about their poor choices in life, that is not FAIR! Whine, whine, whine goes the Liberal.

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Gay marraige and other equal rights for LGBT Americans will come about no matter how the Supreme Court rules this time around. We will always have bigotry and ignorance as long as there are people among us who obtain their information from sources that are not based in facts. People who rely on Fox, Limbaugh, Beck and the like, will continue to operate in a parallel universe where misinformation and outright falsehoods are presented as truth.

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Why will the Red Cross turn you away if you say you’ve participated in homosexual behavior

No, they won’t. There is no such restriction.

Are you now promoting the compulsive liar lifestyle?

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I know those who have sexual deviations cannot believe in the bible or accept the Word of God. I know this and I am willing to challenge your ideals at every opportunity. Under the constitution of the United St

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I have absolutely nothing against gay marriage, neither do any of my republican friends. Please don’t lump us in with homophobes and bible thumpers. We just want a responsible government that nurtures individual liberty, equal treatment for all, not preferential treatment for some. Not too much to ask, but for some reason, that message is lost to stories about Sandra Fluke…

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josef — “You can, but you don’t. That “imaginary friend,” etc. are from your mouth to either the ears of G-d or the great eternal vacuum, whichever the case may be.”

If someone tells me I’m going to be ‘judged,’ then perhaps they need to address their *own* bashing before they complain about bashing they perceive in others.

I’m perfectly happy to converse politely with religious posters on religious topics *until* they commence with the judging. Once that begins, they’ll reap from me what they’ve sown with me.

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I propose a “Baby Daddy Law” that each father (if the Mother knows who he or it is) that limits less than 12 spouses & not more than 12 children to the same Baby Daddy. Enforcement of law could save billions of dollars but would have an affect on the number of future Liberal voters.

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“The devil is laughing because he wants you to join him in his prison. Hell is his prison not his kingdom.”

Have you considered that devil laughter you hear is just in your head because you’ve been off your meds recently?

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Let’s protect marriage

February 26th, 2013
11:17 am

That is the funniest. convoluted pile of illogic I have read in forever! How long did it take for you to come up with that claptrap?? Actually, if there ever is such a thing as the “end of marriage”, it will be caused by a general attitude that marriages are “disposable”. In case you hadn’t noticed, the divorce rate -among heterosexuals is 50%. What Johnny has been learning is that when Daddy and Mommy get tired of each other, they throw each other out and he gets separated homes, new mommy, new daddy, and new siblings…sometimes more than once. THAT is what you should be concerned about…NOT that a loving , committed gay couple wants to make a success of something so many can’t (or is that what really worries you…?).

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“The part about him rising from the dead after three days and ascending into heaven is HIGHLY doubtful.”

Not a stretch at all if one believes in a God who created the universe:

Why should any of you consider it incredible that God raises the dead? – Acts 26:8

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ohnnyReb

February 26th, 2013
11:28 am

I was raised in a family where half were Catholic and the other half baptist, and I’d much rather believe that our “Maker” was E.T. At least I could believe then that he would come back to fetch us.

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I have a Thrombolin 3 deficiency that resulted in nearly fatal, massive blood clots. I take Coumadin every day of life.

What a**holes at the Red Cross, making me feel bad just because I may taint the blood supply. Doesn’t the Red Cross know my feelings are way more important than society as a whole? Please do not make me feel bad about my poor choices in life, that is not FAIR!

Whine, whine, whine goes JamVet.

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Granny Godzilla

February 26th, 2013
11:31 am
Piffle…Understanding one is breaking the law is not breaking the law.

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Now if we can just get some people within the Democratic Party to ‘break from the ranks’ and not require membership to mean that you have to endorse abortion on demand, the abolition of religious freedoms, cutting of the bloated federal government and its thousands upon thousands of programs, and just allow some good old individual thinking and common sense, we might actually get something accomplished this Tuesday.

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Oh geez, somebody left the sock puppet closet door open.

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““the church” will have no legal mandate to marry gay folks” I don’t know a single gay person who wants churches to be forced to marry gay couples if the church doesn’t want to do that. There are plenty of them that will marry gays today even though it’s purely a religious ceremony with no legal standing except for in those states where gays have marriage equality. For gay people it’s not about religion at all, but equal treatment under CIVIL laws.

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JohnnyReb

@ 11:28

Yep. It’s sorta like the old adage, if there were no G-d, we’d have to invent H-m.

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“Why should any of you consider it incredible that God raises the dead? – Acts 26:8″

“I certainly don’t believe in any of that miracle malarkey, I cut them all out of the Bible.”

-Thomas Jefferson, founding father of the War on Christmas.

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“I suspect that somewhere in your lineage religion played a part in forming the morals and character to which you bond.”

I agree – most children benefit from a healthy dose of Jesus. Also the Easter Bunny and Santa.

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greetings josef and best wishes. I think you know, but I’ll write it anyhow. If gay marriage wins the day, I’ll be OK with it. I just don’t support the Feds over-riding the states.

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“It’s pretty obvious you are confusing “attributed” with “proven”

It’s pretty obvious you are confused. You use textual evidence you disallow to “show” that most of the Bible was written by men and not God while ignoring other textual evidence that indicates that such men were being guided by the spirit of God. Why is some of that evidence good in your eyes, but not other evidence? You are out of your depth on this subject, I would say.

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gtfan — ““Being Gay” is still a sin and will send you to hell…..and yes hell is real and no judge, media, liberal or Obama can change it.”

As my wife says, “it’s *your* hell, so YOU go there.”

“If you think you can change God’s Law your a fool. The devil is laughing because he wants you to join him in his prison. Hell is his prison not his kingdom.”

Mr. Mather? Cotton Mather? Is that you?

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“There can be no doubt that Jesus lived 2,000 years ago.”

Well if He did and the GOP had existed back then, I am sure they would have demanded to see His long form birth certificate.

Given than Jesus was viewed as a rabble-rouser who was upsetting what was then conventional thinking at the time, so much so that the state executed Him, in today’s terms, the wing-nuts would classify Jesus as a progressive liberal.

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As my wife says, “it’s *your* hell, so YOU go there.”

What was she talking about? Poker night or guys-night-out or something? Man-room?

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“The clergy believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly; for I have sworn upon the altar of god, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.” Thomas Jefferson, founding father of the war on stupidity.

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gtfanfrom1951,

““Being Gay” is still a sin and will send you to hell”

Have you ever wondered how good gay sex must be if they’re willing to go to hell for it? I bet you have…and on many occasions. Just like Ted Haggard, and all those good ole GOP bible-thumpin Congress critters…

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“The truth is, this minority issue is just that, a minority issue pandered to by the liberal media. It has no real political or social relevance. – None It is a blog topic – live with it.”

“This coming from someone posting on a Cookman blog – talk about a parallel universe”

See the Bible about planks and splinters

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JohnnyReb

February 26th, 2013
11:37 am

Johnny,
If you need a deity to help you do the morally right thing, then by all means, go for it. I choose to do the right things because I want to and not because I’m afraid of the “fires of hell”.

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for the accuser{devil} of the brothers. and sisters has been thrown down to earth………………. and you are of your father the devil because the truth was not in him

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“I think vital religion has always suffered when orthodoxy is more regarded than virtue. The scriptures assure me that at the last day we shall not be examined on what we thought but what we did.”

Ben Franklin, 1737, founding father of the war on irratationality.

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These people quoting bible versus remind me of Carrie’s mother.

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Corbin – my statements were in relation to your formative years, anyone’s formative years. I further suggest the reason you don’t need a deity now is because of your upbringing.

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I don’t care what you do in your bedrooms and government should stay out of our bedrooms.

Today, military leaders told the gop no on the sequester but big business remains awol.

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JohnnyReb

February 26th, 2013
11:50 am

I know you won’t believe this, but I am what I am in spite of my upbringing.

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” I can *disagree* with a religious person without bashing them.”

You can, but you don’t. That “imaginary friend,” etc. are from your mouth to either the ears of G-d or the great eternal vacuum, whichever the case may be.

I realize JHM has already addressed this, but as someone who considers himself to be christian (note the small “c”, but I still self-identify that way, firmly on the side of Brother Jesus), I am sick and tired of hearing whiny, thin-skinned conservatives complaining that an entire belief system is being “bashed” simply because some refuse to tiptoe about its more foolish adherents.

If I’m giving some dumb sexist/homophobe jerks what-fo’, and those jerks happen to self-ID as “Christian,” I am not “bashing Christianity,” fercryinoutloud.

If JHM refers to a supreme being as an “imaginary friend” in hopes of getting a wee rise out of his target, he isn’t, either, IMHO.

(And given some of the things God seems to tolerate in this world, I think “imaginary friend” is one of the nicer things you could call him, frankly.)

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“Ah-HA!”

I have a different take on it. I don’t think a church official, of any persuasion, should be deputed to perform legal marriages. All that “separation” stuff, you know? I think if a couple wants to be married in a church, they should have 2 presiding officials…one legal to pronounce them legally married and to sign the marriage license…and on religious to give their own brand of relgious blessing.

So, my take on it is that IF we continue to allow church officials to do LEGAL marriages…then they should be bound by the same requirements as any other person legally able to marry couples. HOWEVER, that does NOT mean they should have to do it in their church, or give their relgions blessing. But they should be required to perform secular mariages, just like…for example…a Justice of the Peace.

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NO question that Christianity has some awesome aspects to it, that have shaped me and my worldview, for the better.

That so many frauds and charlatans now abound and actually have become the tacit and de facto leaders of that group – Falwell, Robinson, et al come to mind – is reprehensible.

Even worse is how virtually NO Christian conservative – other than RINOs like McCain (LOL!) – seem to ever call them out for their bigoted and hateful depravity.

Lord be praised…

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Corbin – I know you won’t believe this, but I am what I am in spite of my upbringing

you’re Popeye?

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Are you sure you didn’t mean to say “My beers will get better after a spell”?

Yes,and the ladies will get better looking too! Except the bad part of that is they will want me to put a bag on my head.

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If you’re not transporting anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about.

And if you don’t have anything illegal in your house, you have nothing to fear from a little poking around by the authorities.

Dogs sniff air all the time, whether it’s around your car or not. Nobody’s trying to squash or impede your rights.

Just blew coffee all over my keyboard.

Actually I’m OK with a full search based on a dog’s hunch. As long as Deputy Dawg puts it in writing.

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Drug-tested SHEETZ.

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josef
do I detect a hint of fear that once JoeHusseinMama finishes
bashing Christians he may start on Jews ?

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We need to be welcoming any support we can find from people supporting marriage. People who are worried about the gay spouse collecting benefits can more than offset that number with the straight legally married spouse walking out the door or never getting to the door in this modern time. 30% of the white couples (only say that because all I hear is how bad the black people are) marrying now will not be married in 30 years from now. Surely we can find some loose change for the very few in this country who care about this institution anymore.

I think the church would serve its interest better keeping their nose out of it or at best putting the same heat on a divorced couple. Argue all you want, it is you who is losing this battle. What good has your self righteousness served you if you don’t have a church to be self righteous in.?

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Whew,I need to have a beer now! Dang.

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My “problem” with the discussion of belief and non belief is the same as my “problem” with discussing race. The former is almost exclusively bound in terms of the Judeo-Christian tradition and the latter in a black-white dichotomy. The idea that there’s a whole world of perspectives beyond that limited framework is beyond the capacities of those doing the yammering.

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josef — “JHM Just my opinion, but in this case if you ever had an original thought, it’d die of loneliness…”

You’re right; that’s just your opinion.

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Tbone — “@ Joe Hussein … Sounds like you have figured it all out by yourself. Good for you, better hope you’re right.”

So should you.

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godless: Actually I’m OK with a full search based on a dog’s hunch. As long as Deputy Dawg puts it in writing.

You’re looking for something like this?

When members of the Crown Prosecution Service in West Midlands, England (responsible for prosecuting criminal cases in England and Wales), asked the police department for a statement from a witness named PC Peach, they were told that would be difficult because Peach, while intelligent, was actually PD Peach—and “PD” stands for “police dog.”

But the CPS continued to insist on hearing from “the witness.” So, one of Peach’s handlers wrote a statement in the character of the dog. The statement reads: “I chase him. I bite him. Bad man. He tasty. Good boy. Good boy Peach.” It was then “signed” with a large black paw print.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/uk-police-issue-witness-statement-character-peaches-dog-203049574.html

And here’s a photo of the actual report.

http://dogblog.dogstuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/police-dog-statement.jpg

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What’s the definition of democracy? As a proud American I’ve always been facinated with the idea that we all claim we live in a free society but yet we don’t want to give certain rights to those folks whose lifestyle we don’t agree with.. folks that’s not and idea of a free society.

So you can have all of the freedoms our country have to offer if:

1. You speak English
2. You’re straight
3. You believe in GOD (not Allah or any other faith – Chirstian faith only).
4. You don’t want an abortion
5. You don’t deviate or have any ideas that fall outside of the “normal” majority – a.k.a. “Stepford Wife” syndrom.

Wow – is this what you call a free socieity??????????

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Can someone explain to me what a homosexual “lifestyle” is exactly? I’m gay, in a committed relationship of 21.5 years, and don’t do anything that my heterosexual friends and family don’t do nor have I been able to identify any behavior in gay people that isn’t also seen in heterosexual people.

And while you’re at it I’d like a link to the gay “agenda” too because I can’t find one using google, yelp, Ask Jeeves, or any other search engine. Just a bunch of anti-gay comments about said agenda that no one can seem to produce.

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The Gun lovers all quote the 4th amendment as their right to bear arms – but they also know there’s nothing in this sacred document that would deny gays from getting married…they have thier rights too…

But no since they don’t believe in that lifestyle – they are willing to change our constitution to deny gays the right to marry…

And you say we live in a free society….

WOW

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You can’t pick and choose which rights you’re going to grant and which rights you’re not going to grant.

People quote the Bible all the time..but he who is without sin let him/her cast the first stone….

Stop the hate….

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“Some 70 percent of Americans under 30 support gay marriage”

Jay simply cannot resist the urge to cite some poll, ANY poll (even when he doesn’t provide the name of actual poll).

You know Jay, polls show that the favorability rating of slavery was over 50% of the nation as a whole in 1864.

Maybe that whole Civil War thing would have never happened if people were then were as obsessed with polls are you are.

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Quick to judge, quick to label, and quick to denigrate others.

Yes, it seems I was right.

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Granny Godzilla:

Scroll Granny. That’s all you have to do to read the vitriol… Its sad and pathetic that since there’s absolutely no basis in fact to argue for homosexual marriage personnel attacks is all they got….

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@ Joe Hussein … Arrogance is quite becoming on you. Ain’t that the sin of pride?

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Hypocrite …….

This nation was brought together as a single entity at the Constitutional Convention of 1787, and the passage of the Constitution by each of the 13 colonies thereafter. Whatever government experiments that may have preceded that agreement are irrelevant to United States law.

And do keep in mind that the Biblical Law experiment has already been tried, and already failed, on these shores. For more on this topic feel free to research New England Puritanism.

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Love is a beautiful thing. Honoring and recognizing a commitment to love through marriage is one of the best things we do in a life that otherwise all too often is nasty, brutish, and short. Why should issues of gender or sexual preference be an impediment to love? And why would a loving, caring god be against love?

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The problem is that homosexuality IS NOT NORMAL, BUT, PERVERTED! The complete destruction of the moral fiber of this country is at full court press by those who would destroy the country as the moral, economic light of a free world!

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Aquagirl
February 26th, 2013
11:30 am

Why will the Red Cross turn you away if you say you’ve participated in homosexual behavior

No, they won’t. There is no such restriction.

Are you now promoting the compulsive liar lifestyle?
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He wants to be like Romney.

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Netbanker: It’s very simple. The Gay Agenda is as follows: to spread a cancer throughout all “real” marriages so that it corrupts the rest of the world into becoming gay. After infiltrating the Republican party and introducing personhood bills to make IVF’s illegal, it will end humanity. So basically, gays want to end the human race and is therefore a collective anti-Christ. That makes a lot of sense right?

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stands for decibels – I got your “debt crisis” right here

February 26th, 2013
11:25 am
What’s your over/under for this poll in the NOT so conservative Black church?

Honestly? No clue whatsoever.

I would hope that devout members of any congregation in America would understand that if (say) the existence of legal divorce didn’t mandate that the Roman Catholic Church automatically had to recognize such divorces and change their annulment procedures as a result, then the existence of legal same sex marriage didn’t mandate individual pastors to perform wedding ceremonies that conflicted with their own conscience…
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Well said and I agree.

Off topic:

Has anyone seen the HBO doc Mea Maxima Culpa: Silence in the House of God.

All I could say was WOW.

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“If gays get the right to marry the next thing you know people will start demanding the right to marry their sock puppets.” HAHAHAHA! I know you aren’t serious, but great example of how people against marriage equality go to extremes with arguments that marriage equality is the slippery slope to people marrying inanimate objects and animals as if inanimate objects and animals have legal standing to enter into civil contracts.

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The GOP preach “smaller government”. How about starting by staying out of my bedroom and stop legislating control of women’s bodies?

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Liberal Mess
February 26th, 2013
12:32 pm

You’re HALF-RIGHT!!….from your same web source:

Donor Deferral for Men Who Have Had Sex With Men (MSM)

“The top priorities of the American Red Cross are the safety of our volunteer blood donors and the ultimate recipients of blood. On June 11, 2010, the Department of Health and Human Services Secretary’s Advisory Committee on Blood Safety and Availability voted against recommending a change to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) policy of a lifetime deferral for men who have sex with other men. The FDA is responsible for determining donor eligibility requirements and the Red Cross is required to follow their decisions. However, the Red Cross does support the use of rational, scientifically-based deferral periods that are applied fairly and consistently among donors who engage in similar risk activities. We will continue to work through the AABB (American Association of Blood Banks) to press for donor deferral policies that are fair and consistent and based on scientific evidence, while still protecting patients from potential harm”

Lesbians don’t fit that paradigm….so they can be accepted as blood donors………

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GT…don’t hold your breath waiting for an answer to that question because I’ve yet to ever receive one. Don’t avoid Chik-fil-A on my account. I love their food and service. And I think the whole boycott thing was an overblown reaction to a senior manager of the corporation stating his PERSONAL beliefs.

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