On gay marriage, the GOP monolith crumbles a bit
WASHINGTON — Dozens of prominent Republicans — including top advisers to former President George W. Bush, four former governors and two members of Congress — have signed a legal brief arguing that gay people have a constitutional right to marry, a position that amounts to a direct challenge to Speaker John A. Boehner and reflects the civil war in the party since the November election.
The document will be submitted this week to the Supreme Court in support of a suit seeking to strike down Proposition 8, a California ballot initiative barring same-sex marriage, and all similar bans. The court will hear back-to-back arguments next month in that case and another pivotal gay rights case that challenges the 1996 federal Defense of Marriage Act…
Legal analysts said the brief had the potential to sway conservative justices as much for the prominent names attached to it as for its legal arguments. The list of signers includes a string of Republican officials and influential thinkers — 75 as of Monday evening — who are not ordinarily associated with gay rights advocacy, including some who are speaking out for the first time and others who have changed their previous positions.
Among them are Meg Whitman, who supported Proposition 8 when she ran for California governor; Representatives Ileana Ros-Lehtinen of Florida and Richard Hanna of New York; Stephen J. Hadley, a Bush national security adviser; Carlos Gutierrez, a commerce secretary to Mr. Bush; James B. Comey, a top Bush Justice Department official; David A. Stockman, President Ronald Reagan’s first budget director; and Deborah Pryce, a former member of the House Republican leadership from Ohio who is retired from Congress. “
I am a bit encouraged and a little bit disappointed by this development. On the one hand, it’s good to see the monolithic mindset within the Republican Party begin to crumble, at least a little bit. Slowly, painfully, dissenting views are being voiced, challenging the party orthodoxy. For the first time in memory, you’ve got Republicans saying that yes, the defense budget is as subject to budget cuts as any other part of the budget. For the first time since President George W. Bush’s attempt at immigration reform crashed onto the shoals of conservative groupthink, you’ve got a few Republicans admitting that amnesty would benefit not just illegal immigrants but the country as a whole.
Those are still minority viewpoints within the party, but that’s fine. At least they are being voiced and heard. That’s a healthy sign for a party that faces an immense modernization project.
However, it’s disappointing that the effort led by former GOP party chair Ken Mehlman — who himself came out as gay a few years ago — drew support from just two current GOP officeholders. The list of signatories includes four former governors, for example, but no current governor dared to sign on.
Some 70 percent of Americans under 30 support gay marriage, and the swing of public opinion in general over the past decade has been remarkable. Regardless of how the high court decides this particular case, we all know where we’re going to end up on this issue. Those who continue to throw themselves across the path of history in an attempt to block that progress do themselves, their party and their legacy a disservice.
– Jay Bookman
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DannyX
February 26th, 2013
11:38 am
“Why should any of you consider it incredible that God raises the dead? – Acts 26:8″
“I certainly don’t believe in any of that miracle malarkey, I cut them all out of the Bible.”
-Thomas Jefferson, founding father of the War on Christmas.
JamVet
February 26th, 2013
11:39 am
…the abolition of religious freedoms…
More like abolition of religious strangleholds over a secular society, meat.
But Doggone says it best. (If you have to lie…)
Along with Bro and that graphic representation he uses!
Regnad Kcin
February 26th, 2013
11:40 am
“I suspect that somewhere in your lineage religion played a part in forming the morals and character to which you bond.”
I agree – most children benefit from a healthy dose of Jesus. Also the Easter Bunny and Santa.
stands for decibels - I got your "debt crisis" right here
February 26th, 2013
11:40 am
require membership to mean that you have to endorse abortion on demand
What does “endorse abortion on demand” actually mean?
Does it mean one supports the legality of first-trimester elective abortion, as established as the law of the land via the Roe v. Wade decision, a decision that appears to have been supported by over 60% of the American public for decades?
You can make it sound as icky as you like, but the Democrats, generally, are on the side of the voting public. I can see why that might be disturbing to the other party, but facts is facts.
JohnnyReb
February 26th, 2013
11:40 am
greetings josef and best wishes. I think you know, but I’ll write it anyhow. If gay marriage wins the day, I’ll be OK with it. I just don’t support the Feds over-riding the states.
Real Scootter
February 26th, 2013
11:41 am
Well I can see there is something missing from the usual argueing about this subject.
Where are all the cons comparing gay marrage to marrage to farm animals?
Theophilus
February 26th, 2013
11:41 am
“It’s pretty obvious you are confusing “attributed” with “proven”
It’s pretty obvious you are confused. You use textual evidence you disallow to “show” that most of the Bible was written by men and not God while ignoring other textual evidence that indicates that such men were being guided by the spirit of God. Why is some of that evidence good in your eyes, but not other evidence? You are out of your depth on this subject, I would say.
DannyX
February 26th, 2013
11:41 am
“Oh geez, somebody left the sock puppet closet door open.”
If gays get the right to marry the next thing you know people will start demanding the right to marry their sock puppets.
Where does it end??????
Joe Hussein Mama
February 26th, 2013
11:42 am
gtfan — ““Being Gay” is still a sin and will send you to hell…..and yes hell is real and no judge, media, liberal or Obama can change it.”
As my wife says, “it’s *your* hell, so YOU go there.”
“If you think you can change God’s Law your a fool. The devil is laughing because he wants you to join him in his prison. Hell is his prison not his kingdom.”
Mr. Mather? Cotton Mather? Is that you?
Doggone/GA
February 26th, 2013
11:42 am
“Why is some of that evidence good in your eyes, but not other evidence? ”
I didn’t say it WAS. I said “ATTRIBUTED” – please refer to a dictionary so you stop being confused about what the word means.
Look before I leap...
February 26th, 2013
11:42 am
“There can be no doubt that Jesus lived 2,000 years ago.”
Well if He did and the GOP had existed back then, I am sure they would have demanded to see His long form birth certificate.
Given than Jesus was viewed as a rabble-rouser who was upsetting what was then conventional thinking at the time, so much so that the state executed Him, in today’s terms, the wing-nuts would classify Jesus as a progressive liberal.
Real Scootter
February 26th, 2013
11:42 am
My spelling will get better after a few beers!!!
Peadawg
February 26th, 2013
11:43 am
As my wife says, “it’s *your* hell, so YOU go there.”
What was she talking about? Poker night or guys-night-out or something? Man-room?
Liberal Nightmare
February 26th, 2013
11:43 am
“Gay marraige and other equal rights for LGBT Americans will come about no matter how the Supreme Court rules this time around. We will always have bigotry and ignorance as long as there are people among us who obtain their information from sources that are not based in facts. People who rely on Fox, Limbaugh, Beck and the like, will continue to operate in a parallel universe where misinformation and outright falsehoods are presented as truth.”
Hahahaha. This coming from someone posting on a Cookman blog – talk about a parallel universe. The truth is, this minority issue is just that, a minority issue pandered to by the liberal media. It has no real political or social relevance. – None It is a blog topic – live with it.
breckenridge
February 26th, 2013
11:43 am
“The clergy believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly; for I have sworn upon the altar of god, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.” Thomas Jefferson, founding father of the war on stupidity.
Doggone/GA
February 26th, 2013
11:44 am
“My spelling will get better after a few beers!!!”
Are you sure you didn’t mean to say “My beers will get better after a spell”?
jewcowboy
February 26th, 2013
11:44 am
gtfanfrom1951,
““Being Gay” is still a sin and will send you to hell”
Have you ever wondered how good gay sex must be if they’re willing to go to hell for it? I bet you have…and on many occasions. Just like Ted Haggard, and all those good ole GOP bible-thumpin Congress critters…
josef
February 26th, 2013
11:44 am
SCOOTTER
I guess somebody must’ve closed the barn door before they got out!
Doggone/GA
February 26th, 2013
11:44 am
“The truth is, this minority issue is just that, a minority issue pandered to by the liberal media. It has no real political or social relevance. – None It is a blog topic – live with it.”
“This coming from someone posting on a Cookman blog – talk about a parallel universe”
See the Bible about planks and splinters
Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking
February 26th, 2013
11:45 am
Is that 2nd 11:34 a name jacking in progress?? If so, I smell red card for one of the “conservative” a$$hats.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
February 26th, 2013
11:45 am
JohnnyReb
February 26th, 2013
11:37 am
Johnny,
If you need a deity to help you do the morally right thing, then by all means, go for it. I choose to do the right things because I want to and not because I’m afraid of the “fires of hell”.
Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking
February 26th, 2013
11:47 am
Real Scootter & josef
gtfanfrom1951
February 26th, 2013
11:48 am
for the accuser{devil} of the brothers. and sisters has been thrown down to earth………………. and you are of your father the devil because the truth was not in him
TBS
February 26th, 2013
11:48 am
Scout
Your point just wasn’t that good but nice try
breckenridge
February 26th, 2013
11:49 am
“I think vital religion has always suffered when orthodoxy is more regarded than virtue. The scriptures assure me that at the last day we shall not be examined on what we thought but what we did.”
Ben Franklin, 1737, founding father of the war on irratationality.
Aquagirl
February 26th, 2013
11:49 am
I don’t know a single gay person who wants churches to be forced to marry gay couples if the church doesn’t want to do that.
Ah-HA! What better proof could you have of gay hordes waiting to force their immoral weddings on unsuspecting churches than gays saying they’re not interested?
jewcowboy
February 26th, 2013
11:50 am
These people quoting bible versus remind me of Carrie’s mother.
josef
February 26th, 2013
11:50 am
JohnnyReb
Well, gotta remember it was a state’s rights thingie that liberated women from being the property of men in English Law climes, back in the 1830s in good old benighted Mississippi…Love v Allen, ruling that Chickasaw law overrode in the matter of women owning and disposing of property separate of men…maybe if we went ahead and went the Cherokee route here in Georgia, we might at least get civil union!
JohnnyReb
February 26th, 2013
11:50 am
Corbin – my statements were in relation to your formative years, anyone’s formative years. I further suggest the reason you don’t need a deity now is because of your upbringing.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 26th, 2013
11:50 am
josef — “That argument falls into the playground ethos of “he started it…”
If some theist posters here can’t remember to abide by the turn-the-other-cheek dictum that’s part of their own faith tradition, then I see no reason why I should have to demonstrate it for them. Besides, I’m a godless, hellbound sinner, right? So clearly I *deserve* that sort of response from them, right?
Once again, if a theist’s willing to be polite and non-judgmental with me, I’m certainly willing to reciprocate, and frankly, I think those theists who are looking to proselytize could certainly benefit from such an approach.
“It comes from believers and non believers alike and in the same volume and intensity. All in all, though, it’s rather entertaining.”
You can believe whatever you like.
getalife
February 26th, 2013
11:52 am
I don’t care what you do in your bedrooms and government should stay out of our bedrooms.
Today, military leaders told the gop no on the sequester but big business remains awol.
JohnnyReb
February 26th, 2013
11:52 am
joseph – I can support civil union now, no hesitation.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
February 26th, 2013
11:52 am
JohnnyReb
February 26th, 2013
11:50 am
I know you won’t believe this, but I am what I am in spite of my upbringing.
TBS
February 26th, 2013
11:52 am
Jewcowboy
I hope others get the joke
That was effn funny.
stands for decibels - I got your "debt crisis" right here
February 26th, 2013
11:53 am
” I can *disagree* with a religious person without bashing them.”
You can, but you don’t. That “imaginary friend,” etc. are from your mouth to either the ears of G-d or the great eternal vacuum, whichever the case may be.
I realize JHM has already addressed this, but as someone who considers himself to be christian (note the small “c”, but I still self-identify that way, firmly on the side of Brother Jesus), I am sick and tired of hearing whiny, thin-skinned conservatives complaining that an entire belief system is being “bashed” simply because some refuse to tiptoe about its more foolish adherents.
If I’m giving some dumb sexist/homophobe jerks what-fo’, and those jerks happen to self-ID as “Christian,” I am not “bashing Christianity,” fercryinoutloud.
If JHM refers to a supreme being as an “imaginary friend” in hopes of getting a wee rise out of his target, he isn’t, either, IMHO.
(And given some of the things God seems to tolerate in this world, I think “imaginary friend” is one of the nicer things you could call him, frankly.)
breckenridge
February 26th, 2013
11:53 am
“Every day people are straying away from the church and going back to God.”
Lenny Bruce, founding father of modern comedians.
Doggone/GA
February 26th, 2013
11:53 am
“Ah-HA!”
I have a different take on it. I don’t think a church official, of any persuasion, should be deputed to perform legal marriages. All that “separation” stuff, you know? I think if a couple wants to be married in a church, they should have 2 presiding officials…one legal to pronounce them legally married and to sign the marriage license…and on religious to give their own brand of relgious blessing.
So, my take on it is that IF we continue to allow church officials to do LEGAL marriages…then they should be bound by the same requirements as any other person legally able to marry couples. HOWEVER, that does NOT mean they should have to do it in their church, or give their relgions blessing. But they should be required to perform secular mariages, just like…for example…a Justice of the Peace.
josef
February 26th, 2013
11:53 am
DOGGONE
“Are you sure you didn’t mean to say “My beers will get better after a spell”? ”
JamVet
February 26th, 2013
11:54 am
NO question that Christianity has some awesome aspects to it, that have shaped me and my worldview, for the better.
That so many frauds and charlatans now abound and actually have become the tacit and de facto leaders of that group – Falwell, Robinson, et al come to mind – is reprehensible.
Even worse is how virtually NO Christian conservative – other than RINOs like McCain (LOL!) – seem to ever call them out for their bigoted and hateful depravity.
Lord be praised…
Jefferson
February 26th, 2013
11:54 am
Let talk about budget cuts.
Erwin's cat
February 26th, 2013
11:54 am
Corbin – I know you won’t believe this, but I am what I am in spite of my upbringing
you’re Popeye?
josef
February 26th, 2013
11:55 am
JHM
Just my opinion, but in this case if you ever had an original thought, it’d die of loneliness…
Real Scootter
February 26th, 2013
11:55 am
Are you sure you didn’t mean to say “My beers will get better after a spell”?
Yes,and the ladies will get better looking too! Except the bad part of that is they will want me to put a bag on my head.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 26th, 2013
11:57 am
Peadawg — “What was she talking about? Poker night or guys-night-out or something? Man-room?”
You need to know that my wife is a Go There kind of girl. If you get her riled up, she doesn’t care where she is or who’s around, she will let. you. have. it. Okay?
So back during the 2004 campaign, not long after I had switched parties, we were down at the Marietta Farmer’s Market on the Square, and we parked our car with a “Veterans For Kerry” bumper sticker on the back. We got out and started to walk away and this gray-haired matronly woman told us that voting for a Democrat was “a sure way to go to hell.” So my wife said that to her.
I believe that woman didn’t know whether to pewp or go blind.
godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need
February 26th, 2013
11:57 am
If you’re not transporting anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about.
And if you don’t have anything illegal in your house, you have nothing to fear from a little poking around by the authorities.
Dogs sniff air all the time, whether it’s around your car or not. Nobody’s trying to squash or impede your rights.
Just blew coffee all over my keyboard.
Actually I’m OK with a full search based on a dog’s hunch. As long as Deputy Dawg puts it in writing.
TBone
February 26th, 2013
11:57 am
@ Joe Hussein … Sounds like you have figured it all out by yourself. Good for you, better hope you’re right.
stands for decibels - I got your "debt crisis" right here
February 26th, 2013
11:58 am
Drug-tested SHEETZ.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 26th, 2013
11:58 am
gtfan — “for the accuser{devil} of the brothers. and sisters has been thrown down to earth………………. and you are of your father the devil because the truth was not in him”
And the cow jumped over the moon.
barking frog
February 26th, 2013
11:59 am
josef
do I detect a hint of fear that once JoeHusseinMama finishes
bashing Christians he may start on Jews ?
Real Scootter
February 26th, 2013
11:59 am
I guess somebody must’ve closed the barn door before they got out!
ROFLMAO Joesf!!!!!
GT
February 26th, 2013
12:00 pm
We need to be welcoming any support we can find from people supporting marriage. People who are worried about the gay spouse collecting benefits can more than offset that number with the straight legally married spouse walking out the door or never getting to the door in this modern time. 30% of the white couples (only say that because all I hear is how bad the black people are) marrying now will not be married in 30 years from now. Surely we can find some loose change for the very few in this country who care about this institution anymore.
I think the church would serve its interest better keeping their nose out of it or at best putting the same heat on a divorced couple. Argue all you want, it is you who is losing this battle. What good has your self righteousness served you if you don’t have a church to be self righteous in.?
st simons - he-ne-ha
February 26th, 2013
12:00 pm
lord, all that’s missing is some reference to ‘moral fibah’
and ‘faaaabric of societeh’
Real Scootter
February 26th, 2013
12:01 pm
Whew,I need to have a beer now! Dang.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 26th, 2013
12:01 pm
SfD — “If JHM refers to a supreme being as an “imaginary friend” in hopes of getting a wee rise out of his target, he isn’t, either, IMHO.”
“(And given some of the things God seems to tolerate in this world, I think “imaginary friend” is one of the nicer things you could call him, frankly.)”
Absolutely on target.
Frankly, I don’t think it’s easy being openly atheist *or* openly gay down heah in the bible belt. And I’d think that Josef would be more perceptive and appreciative of the parallel than he seems to be.
josef
February 26th, 2013
12:02 pm
My “problem” with the discussion of belief and non belief is the same as my “problem” with discussing race. The former is almost exclusively bound in terms of the Judeo-Christian tradition and the latter in a black-white dichotomy. The idea that there’s a whole world of perspectives beyond that limited framework is beyond the capacities of those doing the yammering.
Voter
February 26th, 2013
12:03 pm
@Granny Godzilla – “Did I miss commandment # 11? Or Beatitude # 9?
I say this…..Those who are calling this a sin are breaking commandments 1,2,3 and 9.
That’s hells hat trick plus 1.”
Try 1st Corinthians 6: verses 9 and 10
Joe Hussein Mama
February 26th, 2013
12:03 pm
josef — “JHM Just my opinion, but in this case if you ever had an original thought, it’d die of loneliness…”
You’re right; that’s just your opinion.
HDB
February 26th, 2013
12:04 pm
williebkind
February 26th, 2013
11:31 am
“I know those who have sexual deviations cannot believe in the bible or accept the Word of God.”
Oh, really??? Do you want to start with Catholic Priests…or how about many Protestant MINISTERS that have been known to molest children….or have affairs with members of their particular church?? They not only accept the Word….but they SPREAD it……
Like the song says: “…freaks come out at night”…….
Joe Hussein Mama
February 26th, 2013
12:04 pm
Tbone — “@ Joe Hussein … Sounds like you have figured it all out by yourself. Good for you, better hope you’re right.”
So should you.
real issue
February 26th, 2013
12:05 pm
This is not about homophobia. It is about protecting what God instituted. Funny you should use the word crumble for we shall see the crumbling of our society as we continue to move farther away from the basics on which this country was founded.
Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking
February 26th, 2013
12:06 pm
godless: Actually I’m OK with a full search based on a dog’s hunch. As long as Deputy Dawg puts it in writing.
You’re looking for something like this?
When members of the Crown Prosecution Service in West Midlands, England (responsible for prosecuting criminal cases in England and Wales), asked the police department for a statement from a witness named PC Peach, they were told that would be difficult because Peach, while intelligent, was actually PD Peach—and “PD” stands for “police dog.”
But the CPS continued to insist on hearing from “the witness.” So, one of Peach’s handlers wrote a statement in the character of the dog. The statement reads: “I chase him. I bite him. Bad man. He tasty. Good boy. Good boy Peach.” It was then “signed” with a large black paw print.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/uk-police-issue-witness-statement-character-peaches-dog-203049574.html
And here’s a photo of the actual report.
http://dogblog.dogstuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/police-dog-statement.jpg
Joe Hussein Mama
February 26th, 2013
12:06 pm
B. Frog — “josef do I detect a hint of fear that once JoeHusseinMama finishes bashing Christians he may start on Jews ?”
Snicker!
Not to worry, I think Josef’s got a lot more against me than I’ve got against him.
Hypocrite
February 26th, 2013
12:06 pm
What’s the definition of democracy? As a proud American I’ve always been facinated with the idea that we all claim we live in a free society but yet we don’t want to give certain rights to those folks whose lifestyle we don’t agree with.. folks that’s not and idea of a free society.
So you can have all of the freedoms our country have to offer if:
1. You speak English
2. You’re straight
3. You believe in GOD (not Allah or any other faith – Chirstian faith only).
4. You don’t want an abortion
5. You don’t deviate or have any ideas that fall outside of the “normal” majority – a.k.a. “Stepford Wife” syndrom.
Wow – is this what you call a free socieity??????????
josef
February 26th, 2013
12:08 pm
FROG
Yep. And. believe me, I keep that in the back of my mind.
meanwhile, I’ll leave the tent revival and take my qu*er butt upstairs…
NetBanker
February 26th, 2013
12:09 pm
Can someone explain to me what a homosexual “lifestyle” is exactly? I’m gay, in a committed relationship of 21.5 years, and don’t do anything that my heterosexual friends and family don’t do nor have I been able to identify any behavior in gay people that isn’t also seen in heterosexual people.
And while you’re at it I’d like a link to the gay “agenda” too because I can’t find one using google, yelp, Ask Jeeves, or any other search engine. Just a bunch of anti-gay comments about said agenda that no one can seem to produce.
GT
February 26th, 2013
12:10 pm
josef your intelligence shines today, totally agree and hope you are doing well, sounds like it.
Hypocrite
February 26th, 2013
12:10 pm
The Gun lovers all quote the 4th amendment as their right to bear arms – but they also know there’s nothing in this sacred document that would deny gays from getting married…they have thier rights too…
But no since they don’t believe in that lifestyle – they are willing to change our constitution to deny gays the right to marry…
And you say we live in a free society….
WOW
breckenridge
February 26th, 2013
12:13 pm
“We continue to move farther away from the basics on which this country was founded.”
If we are to point to one single source on which this country is founded it would be John Locke. His political thinking and writings had a profound effect on each and every core founding father from Sam Adams to Thomas Jefferson to James Madison to Alexander Hamilton and everyone in between.
Hypocrite
February 26th, 2013
12:14 pm
You can’t pick and choose which rights you’re going to grant and which rights you’re not going to grant.
People quote the Bible all the time..but he who is without sin let him/her cast the first stone….
Stop the hate….
GT
February 26th, 2013
12:16 pm
NetBanker going to lunch, with a girl, but I would love to hear an anser to your qestion. I could care less what you are doing in your private life as you care less about mine. I am no great fan of Chick fil-la either, will have lunch somewhere else.
Class of '98
February 26th, 2013
12:18 pm
“Some 70 percent of Americans under 30 support gay marriage”
Jay simply cannot resist the urge to cite some poll, ANY poll (even when he doesn’t provide the name of actual poll).
You know Jay, polls show that the favorability rating of slavery was over 50% of the nation as a whole in 1864.
Maybe that whole Civil War thing would have never happened if people were then were as obsessed with polls are you are.
dbm
February 26th, 2013
12:18 pm
td
February 26th, 2013
9:30 am
The purpose of this movement is not to deny you your right to believe homosexuality is a sin, but to prevent you from using government force to impose that belief on others.
People should look to neither church nor government for their belief system, but rather to reason. The church-based belief system you support will eventually lead to our destruction just as surely as would the government-based belief system you fear.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 26th, 2013
12:19 pm
Quick to judge, quick to label, and quick to denigrate others.
Yes, it seems I was right.
Hypocrite
February 26th, 2013
12:21 pm
@brekenridge….
This country was founded by folks who wanted the freedoms to practice their religous freedoms with persecution (from Britain).
FREEDOM…… I am trying to get you to understand the word and what it means..
You don’t have the right to take anyone’s freedom (they way they choose to live their lives) because you don’t agree with their beliefs…
YOU DON’T HAVE THAT RIGHT….
Liberal Mess
February 26th, 2013
12:23 pm
Granny Godzilla:
Scroll Granny. That’s all you have to do to read the vitriol… Its sad and pathetic that since there’s absolutely no basis in fact to argue for homosexual marriage personnel attacks is all they got….
Liberal Mess
February 26th, 2013
12:25 pm
breckenridge
Liberal Mess once again you are referring to the wrong source for making determination on gay marriage.
It is the Constitution that sets the law of the land, not the Bible.
And the constitution has no reference to homosexual marriage….
TBone
February 26th, 2013
12:25 pm
@ Joe Hussein … Arrogance is quite becoming on you. Ain’t that the sin of pride?
TJ
February 26th, 2013
12:28 pm
See the 13th amendment. Just another group of folks being discriminated against. Back then, the conservatives all railed that God said blacks were inferior or not equal; turned out to be nonsense of course. Same with this subject.
breckenridge
February 26th, 2013
12:28 pm
Hypocrite …….
This nation was brought together as a single entity at the Constitutional Convention of 1787, and the passage of the Constitution by each of the 13 colonies thereafter. Whatever government experiments that may have preceded that agreement are irrelevant to United States law.
And do keep in mind that the Biblical Law experiment has already been tried, and already failed, on these shores. For more on this topic feel free to research New England Puritanism.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 26th, 2013
12:28 pm
Tbone — “@ Joe Hussein … Arrogance is quite becoming on you.”
It looks pretty good on you, too.
“Ain’t that the sin of pride?”
I don’t sin. But you just did.
AmericaShrugged
February 26th, 2013
12:29 pm
Love is a beautiful thing. Honoring and recognizing a commitment to love through marriage is one of the best things we do in a life that otherwise all too often is nasty, brutish, and short. Why should issues of gender or sexual preference be an impediment to love? And why would a loving, caring god be against love?
Liberal Mess
February 26th, 2013
12:32 pm
Aquagirl
Why will the Red Cross turn you away if you say you’ve participated in homosexual behavior
No, they won’t. There is no such restriction.
Are you now promoting the compulsive liar lifestyle?
Your either simply in denial or won’t educate yourself… Sad…
http://www.redcrossblood.org/donating-blood/eligibility-requirements/eligibility-criteria-topic
zeke
February 26th, 2013
12:32 pm
The problem is that homosexuality IS NOT NORMAL, BUT, PERVERTED! The complete destruction of the moral fiber of this country is at full court press by those who would destroy the country as the moral, economic light of a free world!
James
February 26th, 2013
12:33 pm
That’s the biggest list of NOBODIES I’ve seen. But I guess it gives Jay a proverbial tingle in the leg.
TiredOfIt
February 26th, 2013
12:39 pm
Aquagirl
February 26th, 2013
11:30 am
Why will the Red Cross turn you away if you say you’ve participated in homosexual behavior
No, they won’t. There is no such restriction.
Are you now promoting the compulsive liar lifestyle?
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He wants to be like Romney.
Partisay
February 26th, 2013
12:40 pm
I’m still waiting on the cons to answer NetBanker’s questions.
MoFaux
February 26th, 2013
12:41 pm
Netbanker: It’s very simple. The Gay Agenda is as follows: to spread a cancer throughout all “real” marriages so that it corrupts the rest of the world into becoming gay. After infiltrating the Republican party and introducing personhood bills to make IVF’s illegal, it will end humanity. So basically, gays want to end the human race and is therefore a collective anti-Christ. That makes a lot of sense right?
breckenridge
February 26th, 2013
12:44 pm
Hypocrite……..
When you’re researching Puritan New England and religious freedom be sure to look up a true American hero, Anne Hutchinson. The Puritans, for whatever reason, accepted the idea of predetermination that came from the diseased brain of that horrid piece of human garbage John Calvin. Predetermination – when you’re born it’s already decided whether your going to heaven or not. How stupid is that?
But Hero Annie didn’t agree, she thought eligibility for heaven is determined on the type of life you live and the good deeds you do. And the Puritans, those lovers of religious liberty, kicked her out of New England, she was forced to go elsewhere.
Ain’t Biblical Law grand?
That Black Guy
February 26th, 2013
12:48 pm
stands for decibels – I got your “debt crisis” right here
February 26th, 2013
11:25 am
What’s your over/under for this poll in the NOT so conservative Black church?
Honestly? No clue whatsoever.
I would hope that devout members of any congregation in America would understand that if (say) the existence of legal divorce didn’t mandate that the Roman Catholic Church automatically had to recognize such divorces and change their annulment procedures as a result, then the existence of legal same sex marriage didn’t mandate individual pastors to perform wedding ceremonies that conflicted with their own conscience…
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Well said and I agree.
Off topic:
Has anyone seen the HBO doc Mea Maxima Culpa: Silence in the House of God.
All I could say was WOW.
TiredOfIt
February 26th, 2013
12:49 pm
” that such men were being guided by the spirit of God. ”
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Why did God need men to write the Bible? After all, he spoke the heavens in to being, but couldn’t create a book? Why is it not in our DNA?
NetBanker
February 26th, 2013
12:52 pm
“If gays get the right to marry the next thing you know people will start demanding the right to marry their sock puppets.” HAHAHAHA! I know you aren’t serious, but great example of how people against marriage equality go to extremes with arguments that marriage equality is the slippery slope to people marrying inanimate objects and animals as if inanimate objects and animals have legal standing to enter into civil contracts.
That Black Guy
February 26th, 2013
12:53 pm
Prejudice is built into the human species. Religion is just one of many excuses to give it free rein.
Politics is another…
Slotl
February 26th, 2013
12:53 pm
The GOP preach “smaller government”. How about starting by staying out of my bedroom and stop legislating control of women’s bodies?
Partisay
February 26th, 2013
1:02 pm
Liberal Mess – Let’s make sure we understand you. Are you saying the Red Cross will not turn anyone away if they say they have participated in homosexual behavior?
HDB
February 26th, 2013
1:08 pm
Liberal Mess
February 26th, 2013
12:32 pm
You’re HALF-RIGHT!!….from your same web source:
Donor Deferral for Men Who Have Had Sex With Men (MSM)
“The top priorities of the American Red Cross are the safety of our volunteer blood donors and the ultimate recipients of blood. On June 11, 2010, the Department of Health and Human Services Secretary’s Advisory Committee on Blood Safety and Availability voted against recommending a change to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) policy of a lifetime deferral for men who have sex with other men. The FDA is responsible for determining donor eligibility requirements and the Red Cross is required to follow their decisions. However, the Red Cross does support the use of rational, scientifically-based deferral periods that are applied fairly and consistently among donors who engage in similar risk activities. We will continue to work through the AABB (American Association of Blood Banks) to press for donor deferral policies that are fair and consistent and based on scientific evidence, while still protecting patients from potential harm”
Lesbians don’t fit that paradigm….so they can be accepted as blood donors………
NetBanker
February 26th, 2013
1:09 pm
“gtfan — “for the accuser{devil} of the brothers. and sisters has been thrown down to earth………………. and you are of your father the devil because the truth was not in him”
And the cow jumped over the moon.”
And the dish ran away with the spoon. Was that to elope or live in sin? And should dishware even be allowed to marry cutlery?
NetBanker
February 26th, 2013
1:15 pm
GT…don’t hold your breath waiting for an answer to that question because I’ve yet to ever receive one. Don’t avoid Chik-fil-A on my account. I love their food and service. And I think the whole boycott thing was an overblown reaction to a senior manager of the corporation stating his PERSONAL beliefs.
NetBanker
February 26th, 2013
1:20 pm
” to spread a cancer throughout all “real” marriages so that it corrupts the rest of the world into becoming gay”
Good gracious, I had no idea! The thing is we really don’t want the majority of straight people becoming gay because that would just ruin it for us.
That Black Guy
February 26th, 2013
1:24 pm
TBS
February 26th, 2013
11:52 am
Jewcowboy
I hope others get the joke
That was effn funny.
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I got it and it was funny.
Does that make me ghey?
TBone
February 26th, 2013
1:26 pm
Joe …There’s really no need to keep a running tally of my sins. You see I am forgiven. Thanks for your thoughtfulness though.