On gay marriage, the GOP monolith crumbles a bit
WASHINGTON — Dozens of prominent Republicans — including top advisers to former President George W. Bush, four former governors and two members of Congress — have signed a legal brief arguing that gay people have a constitutional right to marry, a position that amounts to a direct challenge to Speaker John A. Boehner and reflects the civil war in the party since the November election.
The document will be submitted this week to the Supreme Court in support of a suit seeking to strike down Proposition 8, a California ballot initiative barring same-sex marriage, and all similar bans. The court will hear back-to-back arguments next month in that case and another pivotal gay rights case that challenges the 1996 federal Defense of Marriage Act…
Legal analysts said the brief had the potential to sway conservative justices as much for the prominent names attached to it as for its legal arguments. The list of signers includes a string of Republican officials and influential thinkers — 75 as of Monday evening — who are not ordinarily associated with gay rights advocacy, including some who are speaking out for the first time and others who have changed their previous positions.
Among them are Meg Whitman, who supported Proposition 8 when she ran for California governor; Representatives Ileana Ros-Lehtinen of Florida and Richard Hanna of New York; Stephen J. Hadley, a Bush national security adviser; Carlos Gutierrez, a commerce secretary to Mr. Bush; James B. Comey, a top Bush Justice Department official; David A. Stockman, President Ronald Reagan’s first budget director; and Deborah Pryce, a former member of the House Republican leadership from Ohio who is retired from Congress. “
I am a bit encouraged and a little bit disappointed by this development. On the one hand, it’s good to see the monolithic mindset within the Republican Party begin to crumble, at least a little bit. Slowly, painfully, dissenting views are being voiced, challenging the party orthodoxy. For the first time in memory, you’ve got Republicans saying that yes, the defense budget is as subject to budget cuts as any other part of the budget. For the first time since President George W. Bush’s attempt at immigration reform crashed onto the shoals of conservative groupthink, you’ve got a few Republicans admitting that amnesty would benefit not just illegal immigrants but the country as a whole.
Those are still minority viewpoints within the party, but that’s fine. At least they are being voiced and heard. That’s a healthy sign for a party that faces an immense modernization project.
However, it’s disappointing that the effort led by former GOP party chair Ken Mehlman — who himself came out as gay a few years ago — drew support from just two current GOP officeholders. The list of signatories includes four former governors, for example, but no current governor dared to sign on.
Some 70 percent of Americans under 30 support gay marriage, and the swing of public opinion in general over the past decade has been remarkable. Regardless of how the high court decides this particular case, we all know where we’re going to end up on this issue. Those who continue to throw themselves across the path of history in an attempt to block that progress do themselves, their party and their legacy a disservice.
– Jay Bookman
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Joe Hussein Mama
February 26th, 2013
10:35 am
Voter — “Homosexuality is a sin, heterosexuality is not.”
“Sin” is irrelevant to legality.
“THAT is why the liberal left and gays don’t like it and try to justify their sin by saying it’s bigotry or hate. Sin is sin.”
Fortunately, as an atheist, I am immune to the notion of sin. So now what?
philosopher
February 26th, 2013
10:35 am
Joe Hussein Mama
February 26th, 2013
10:30 am
We don’t put the civil rights of individuals up for a vote in this country. Most people learned that lesson in the 1960s. Clearly you didn’t.
Good post. It goes to the heart of the matter.
stands for decibels - I got your "debt crisis" right here
February 26th, 2013
10:35 am
Homosexuality is a sin
So believe an ever-dwindling percentage of devout Christians. So what?
Voter
February 26th, 2013
10:37 am
@jewcowboy “Would you think the same way if the “people” voted to limit marriage to only green eye people with red hair?”
You missed the point entirely. His point was States have the right, by majority, to vote in certain laws.
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
February 26th, 2013
10:38 am
Gays should be able to experience the full spectrum of being in love: gay marriage, gay affairs with the pool boy, gay divorce, gay spousal support, gay property division, gay visitation of the adopted kids, and lastly the former gay spouse claiming a social security benefit of 50% of their former spouse. Go ahead and live the dream if you dare.
Liberal Mess
February 26th, 2013
10:38 am
Doggone/GA:
Did you even bother looking at the stats?
Peadawg
February 26th, 2013
10:39 am
“Homosexuality is a sin, heterosexuality is not. THAT is why the liberal left and gays don’t like it and try to justify their sin by saying it’s bigotry or hate. Sin is sin.”
Divorce is also a sin. Why aren’t you crying out that divorce/re-marriage be outlawed?
Liberal Nightmare
February 26th, 2013
10:39 am
Such a small fraction of the population deserves this attention? The same crowd who tried in vain to boycott Chick-fil-A? The same crowd hollywood attempts to bring into mainstream by having a gay couple on every primetime show. Your numbers are small, your voice smaller, and try as you may to force your beliefs as acceptable, it falls on deaf ears. The politicians only pander to you so they are not vilified by the media.
Theophilus
February 26th, 2013
10:39 am
“When you have to lie to prove your point, you have no point.”
Precisely. So why do you do it?
Voter
February 26th, 2013
10:39 am
@Cherokee “According to Jesus, Voter, divorce and remarriage is a sin.
Get back to me when you start tossing divorced people out of your church.”
I didn’t say the weren’t. I didn’t say anybody should be tossed out. Here’s a new’s flash for you, everyone is a sinner.
Doggone/GA
February 26th, 2013
10:40 am
“Homosexuality is a sin, heterosexuality is not”
Then don’t do it. End of problem. What others do is not up to YOUR religious precepts.
Thomas Heyward Jr
February 26th, 2013
10:40 am
Brosephus™ – Desktop but still Multitasking
February 26th, 2013
10:30 am
Heyward
Why post all that mumbo jumbo when you simply could have said, “Brosephus, you’re right about the law.” Isn’t that what this country is all about, law of the land?
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No Bro………it isn’t.
I’m not familiar with the “law of the land”.
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Sounds like “prog talk” to me.
See Lenin, Mao, Hitler, etc……………………….
The people in their countries TOO…………let the State “decide’ what was best.
DannyX
February 26th, 2013
10:40 am
“According to Jesus, Voter, divorce and remarriage is a sin.”
Yep.
Divorce is a CHOICE! God created “Adam and Eve,” not “Adam and Eve, then Adam and Suzy, then Adam and Calista!”
Its “Until death do you part.”…NOT…”Until the next bimbo.”
Liberal Mess
February 26th, 2013
10:41 am
Joe Hussein Mama
L. Mess — “There’s a higher incidence of everything on that unhealthy continent.”
I’m sure Doggone appreciates your surrender on that particular point.
No surrender. I saw no reason to respond because no evidence with facts were submitted.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 26th, 2013
10:41 am
Cherokee:
“According to Jesus, Voter, divorce and remarriage is a sin.
Get back to me when you start tossing divorced people out of your church.”
You would be correct except for the one exception Jesus gave and that was if one partner was unfaithful in the marriage the other was allowed to divorce and remarry.
That said ……….. divorced people are not “tossed out of the church”, or gay people, or people living with someone not their spouse, or liars, or cheaters, or drug addicts or whatever. A church is a hospital for people who are sick spiritually.
God does not discriminate based on “worth” ! He does discriminate based on “roles”. For example, the Bible is clear that pastors and deacons should NOT be divorced.
jewcowboy
February 26th, 2013
10:41 am
“Homosexuality is a sin, heterosexuality is not. THAT is why the liberal left and gays don’t like it and try to justify their sin by saying it’s bigotry or hate. Sin is sin.”
Marriage has been denied gay people for one reason only: Major religions are against it. Period. There are many that are not against it, however, and those religions are ignored and gutted of power. Those who enjoy religious freedom in this country are those who are in religions with money. Our spiritual and religious beliefs should be allowed to run our lives freely and without hindrance from another person’s religion, no matter how well-funded that other religion may be.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 26th, 2013
10:41 am
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Peadawg
February 26th, 2013
10:42 am
“Then don’t do it. End of problem. What others do is not up to YOUR religious precepts.”
Let me add that sin is between the person sinning and God. Not you or anybody else.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 26th, 2013
10:42 am
ON RIGHT TO LIFE, THE DEMOCRAT MONOLITH CRUMBLES A BIT
Democrats for Life website:
http://www.democratsforlife.org/
Voter
February 26th, 2013
10:42 am
@stands for decibels – I got your “debt crisis” right here – “So believe an ever-dwindling percentage of devout Christians. So what?”
Ever-dwindling? Don’t think so. And also, Since when does majority mean right? Sin is sin.
Theophilus
February 26th, 2013
10:43 am
“Fortunately, as an atheist, I am immune to the notion of sin. So now what?”
Cast your vote for any and all abortions, gay marriage, free speech that encompasses pornography and so on. Then hope like the Dickens you are not wrong about there being a God as the Bible attests.
Peadawg
February 26th, 2013
10:43 am
“Until death do you part.”
Which later in life you’ll realize you’re setting a goal.
jewcowboy
February 26th, 2013
10:43 am
Voter,
“You missed the point entirely. His point was States have the right, by majority, to vote in certain laws.”
You missed the point entirely. States cannot enact something that goes against the basic tenants of the Constitution.
Doggone/GA
February 26th, 2013
10:43 am
“Did you even bother looking at the stats?”
Nope. Since I’m not gay they have no significance for me
Doggone/GA
February 26th, 2013
10:44 am
“Precisely. So why do you do it?”
Physician, heal thyself
Liberal Mess
February 26th, 2013
10:44 am
Aquagirl:
I’m not in the mood to chase rabbits today. Stay on topic. This is simply about whether the SC will overturn the will of the voters in 30+ states. Supporting lesbianism… Please..
Peadawg
February 26th, 2013
10:44 am
“A church is a hospital for people who are sick spiritually.”
I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 26th, 2013
10:44 am
L. Mess — “No surrender. I saw no reason to respond because no evidence with facts were submitted.”
You responded just fine; you simply chose to avoid responding directly to her refutation of your claims because you’ve got nothing factual to back yourself up.
By failing to respond to her substantively, you’ve *already* surrendered, whether you think you did or not.
stands for decibels - I got your "debt crisis" right here
February 26th, 2013
10:44 am
I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues
Little known fact: the Revelation of John was actually the first-ever chain letter.
Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking
February 26th, 2013
10:45 am
dB @ 10:34
Remember that it’s Heyward that you’re reading. Grade on a curve…
Voter
February 26th, 2013
10:45 am
@Doggone/GA – “Then don’t do it. End of problem. What others do is not up to YOUR religious precepts.”
I didn’t say it did. God did.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 26th, 2013
10:45 am
Voter — “Here’s a new’s flash for you, everyone is a sinner.”
Here’s a news flash for *you.* I’m not.
Theophilus
February 26th, 2013
10:45 am
“Let me add that sin is between the person sinning and God. Not you or anybody else.”
Phineas asks “What”?
TBS
February 26th, 2013
10:45 am
Scout
Who said there were not any “pro life” Dems or Dems against gay marriage for that matter?
Did you just find that out today?
jewcowboy
February 26th, 2013
10:46 am
There are religions who believe women to be inferior, but they are not permitted to strip away hiring protections for women. Why are religions allowed to strip away the marriage rights of gays?
TBone
February 26th, 2013
10:46 am
@ Joe Hussein … The one who made you.
indigo
February 26th, 2013
10:46 am
williebkind – 10:31
Take off your blinders, son.
There’s a whole world out there called “reality”.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 26th, 2013
10:46 am
ON GUN OWNERSHIP AND THE 2ND AMENDMENT, THE DEMOCRAT MONOLITH CRUMBLES A BIT
Democrats for Gun Ownership:
http://democratsforgunownership.org/
Democrat Politicians Who Support the 2nd Amendment:
http://www.ijreview.com/2013/01/30368-democrats-who-strongly-support-the-second-amendment/
UNCLE SAMANTHA
February 26th, 2013
10:46 am
POOR LIBERALS
THEY DONT UNDERSTAND JESUS………… OTHERWISE THEY WOULD HEED HIS WISE WORDS
Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
williebkind
February 26th, 2013
10:46 am
“Or are you simply too misogynistic to acknowledge half the world exists?”
Hmm sounds like someone has self esteem issues.
Liberal Mess
February 26th, 2013
10:47 am
Where is Bookman? The vitriol coming form homosexual marriage supporters towards traditional marriage supporters on this blog is very enlightening. It truly shows he has no control of the of his rabid followers. It also shows how he only seems to patrol and punish those who voice opposition to him and his ilk. I’ll see that his boss’s are notified of this….
Theophilus
February 26th, 2013
10:47 am
“Little known fact: the Revelation of John was actually the first-ever chain letter.”
Little known fact: you have itching ears.
Voter
February 26th, 2013
10:47 am
@jewcowboy – “You missed the point entirely. States cannot enact something that goes against the basic tenants of the Constitution.”
I agree with that. Ant the Constitution doesn’t provide for gay marriage.
jewcowboy
February 26th, 2013
10:48 am
“This is simply about whether the SC will overturn the will of the voters in 30+ states. ”
Just because the mass votes for something doesn’t mean it is legal or just. Majority rule, minority rights….learn it.
Liberal Nightmare
February 26th, 2013
10:48 am
“Gays should be able to experience the full spectrum of being in love: gay marriage, gay affairs with the pool boy, gay divorce, gay spousal support, gay property division, gay visitation of the adopted kids, and lastly the former gay spouse claiming a social security benefit of 50% of their former spouse. Go ahead and live the dream if you dare.”
They want gay marriage but will claim the need for special treatment in the courts for divorce and property division. It is not about being treated equally, it is about being treated specially.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 26th, 2013
10:48 am
Theophilus — “Cast your vote for any and all abortions, gay marriage, free speech that encompasses pornography and so on.”
I’ll vote how I see fit, with or without your permission.
“Then hope like the Dickens you are not wrong about there being a God as the Bible attests.”
I don’t particularly care what you, your book or your imaginary friend have to say about it. I don’t conduct my life based on the dictates of others.
DannyX
February 26th, 2013
10:48 am
Theophilus, what are your own sins that society needs protection from?
Cherokee
February 26th, 2013
10:48 am
Mr. Digits, gay people most certainly are tossed out of churches.
And if they’re not, the church can be tossed out of the Southern Baptist association.
jewcowboy
February 26th, 2013
10:48 am
“Ant the Constitution doesn’t provide for gay marriage.”
I suggest you do a little research into something called the Equal Protection Clause.
Peadawg
February 26th, 2013
10:48 am
“I didn’t say it did. God did.”
Then let it be between him/her and God. Mind your own business.
JohnnyReb
February 26th, 2013
10:49 am
Liberals are statists by nature; I think it’s in their DNA. They don’t always win on a local level and turn to big brother to plead their case.
Liberals are trying to make gay marriage a human rights issue. They are convinced it is. The majority of states have already said no it is not.
Marriage is traditionally controlled by states; each has its law that requires certain prerequisites to obtain a marriage license necessary before the legal binding.
The Feds have no business, right or Constitutional authority to over rule states when it comes to marriage.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 26th, 2013
10:49 am
Tbone — “@ Joe Hussein … The one who made you.”
I was made by my parents, and I expect they’ll be dead by the time I go.
OTOH, if you’re talking about a deity, I have no need of one and you can keep the one you’re selling.
Doggone/GA
February 26th, 2013
10:49 am
“I didn’t say it did. God did”
Did you get the in writing, straight from the hand of God?
TBS
February 26th, 2013
10:50 am
TC
Taking to the Cox board if you must…
Good luck and let us know how it works out for you
breckenridge
February 26th, 2013
10:50 am
“Homosexuality is a sin, heterosexuality is not.”
Right, and there should never be an abortion in America, even in the case of rape.
But how does that message play with voters? Ask Mr. Akin in Missouri and Mr. Mourdoch in Indiana. I’m sure they both have plenty of time to answer, being that their religious extremism cost the GOP 2 Senate seats last November.
It’s time for the religious right to take their idiocy and get the hell out of the republican party. You are not wanted.
josef
February 26th, 2013
10:50 am
so, it’s a rainy day, comp time off, business on the plate taken care of, and lookee here what’s up on the blog…
…and funny thing, that business on the plate would have taken about half the time if me and Unmentionable had that little piece of paper that straight folks take so for granted. But, it is what it is…
williebkind
February 26th, 2013
10:50 am
“ake off your blinders, son.
There’s a whole world out there called “reality”.”
Oh I dont have blinders, I see the behavior in movies, in the AJC, in CNN and in any liberal broadcast. You are confusing understanding with nonacceptance. The latter is where I stand with my eyes wide open.
Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking
February 26th, 2013
10:50 am
Heyward: I’m not familiar with the “law of the land”.
Well hello Capt. Obvious. Glad to see you finally admit you bloviate here without nary a damn clue as to what you’re talking about.
US Constitution Article VI
[...]
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwith-standing.
[...]
I even gave you a link for you to educate yourself. The link even has your favorite word in it, “freedom”. Maybe you can learn something real today.
Doggone/GA
February 26th, 2013
10:50 am
“Ant the Constitution doesn’t provide for gay marriage”
Where does it ban gay marriage?
DannyX
February 26th, 2013
10:51 am
“The Feds have no business, right or Constitutional authority to over rule states when it comes to marriage.”
Of course they do. For example Loving vs Virginia.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 26th, 2013
10:51 am
Voter — “I agree with that. Ant the Constitution doesn’t provide for gay marriage.”
It also doesn’t provide for air travel or telephone service, either.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 26th, 2013
10:51 am
TBS:
“Who said there were not any “pro life” Dems or Dems against gay marriage for that matter?
Did you just find that out today?”
Of course there are as there are supporters of gun ownership and other conservative issues.
There “are” Democrats out there with some common sense ………. not many but they are out there.
My point (which I realize went way over your head) was to provide Jay with this information so he could post future threads on those subjects showing Democrats could “crumble” too ……………
)
Off to the dog park ………… everyone be nice !
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
February 26th, 2013
10:51 am
Oink for me Mess baby, I love it when you squeal like that guy in Deliverance. It’s the sound of your pink flesh being pounded into submission by the 21st century.
Well, this is the reason why I say any man thinking about getting married ought to be forced to spend three days getting cut to ribbons by Aquagirl.
williebkind
February 26th, 2013
10:52 am
“…and funny thing, that business on the plate would have taken about half the time if me and Unmentionable had that little piece of paper that straight folks take so for granted. But, it is what it is…”
Bless your heart.
Liberal Nightmare
February 26th, 2013
10:52 am
“Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.”
Give a man a free phone, the promise of free healthcare, welfare, a gay lover, all while trampling the constitution and he will vote democrat for life. You gotta learn how the Coo koo -man crowd thinks.
josef
February 26th, 2013
10:52 am
JHM
“I don’t particularly care what you, your book or your imaginary friend have to say about it”
And some of don’t care what your lack of imagination leads you into…
indigo
February 26th, 2013
10:52 am
Scout – 10:41
Any hospital that had the same treatment results as churches, would have it’s doors closed by the authorities and be facing an avalanche of lawsuits.
TBS
February 26th, 2013
10:52 am
*Take it to….
jewcowboy
February 26th, 2013
10:52 am
“Ant the Constitution doesn’t provide for gay marriage.”
Oh…and for the record it doesn’t say anything about straight marriage. So under the Equal Protection Clause, if gays can’t marry…I guess all straight marriages are invalidated.
stands for decibels - I got your "debt crisis" right here
February 26th, 2013
10:53 am
I’ll see that his boss’s [sic] are notified of this….
Tell ‘em that your mama needs to bring a better brand of booze next time.
Thomas Heyward Jr
February 26th, 2013
10:53 am
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 26th, 2013
10:41 am
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Theophilus
February 26th, 2013
10:53 am
“I don’t particularly care what you, your book or your imaginary friend have to say about it. I don’t conduct my life based on the dictates of others.”
That is immaterial to my point: if there is a Biblical God, you will be one unhappy camper upon your “passing”. Since you cannot prove there is not such a being, there is clearly the possibility that there is.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
February 26th, 2013
10:53 am
HE/SHE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN SHALL CAST THE FIRST STONE!
MiltonMan
February 26th, 2013
10:54 am
Nothing like the courts shutting down the will of the people via ballot box.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
February 26th, 2013
10:54 am
STICKS AND STONES MAY BREAK MY BONES BUT OBAMACARE WILL REALLY COST ME
stands for decibels - I got your "debt crisis" right here
February 26th, 2013
10:54 am
Give a man a free phone, the promise of free healthcare, welfare, a gay lover
…and mommy and daddy paying for the man’s kids to go to the fundamentalist Christian school. As long as we’re getting all familiar and personal, let’s not forget that detail, “Liberal Nightmare.”
Voter
February 26th, 2013
10:55 am
@Doggone/GA – “Did you get the in writing, straight from the hand of God?”
Yes, got that in writing. Would you like some Bible verses to read? He also said some Commandments about idols, coveting, murder, adultery and the consequences. Look at what has happened to the nations who have failed to heed His words. Not necessarily judgements from God but destroyed from within. Sin is corrupt and will destroy everything in it’s path.
TBS
February 26th, 2013
10:55 am
Josef
We have the typical suspect barricading his closet door in hopes he doesn’t come out…
He is just using another name today
williebkind
February 26th, 2013
10:55 am
“The Feds have no business, right or Constitutional authority to over rule states when it comes to marriage.”
Of course they do. For example Loving vs Virginia.”
was a landmark civil rights decision of the United States Supreme Court which invalidated laws prohibiting interracial marriage.
There you go again comparing race to sexual behavior. How ignorant can you really become?
josef
February 26th, 2013
10:55 am
wiiiebekind
True, that! But, you know what? When it was people wanting OUR money, they were a lot more sympathetic and willing to make it easier. Money talks and bullsh*t walks, as they say, and now that it’s beginning to sink in that the gay community has a few shekels, all of the sudden…
Regnad Kcin
February 26th, 2013
10:55 am
“I guess faith is hard to justify when the facts don’t conform to what you believe.”
Prove that statement.
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Google “guess.”
Then google “statement.”
Always glad to help!
jewcowboy
February 26th, 2013
10:56 am
“Nothing like the courts shutting down the will of the people via ballot box.”
Nothing like idiots shutting down the rights of tax-paying lawful citizens based on their bigoted religious views.
Doggone/GA
February 26th, 2013
10:56 am
“but will claim the need for special treatment in the courts for divorce and property division”
got proof?
DannyX
February 26th, 2013
10:56 am
“Since you cannot prove there is not such a being, there is clearly the possibility that there is.”
That doesn’t mean such a being is completely Old Testament crazy!
alex
February 26th, 2013
10:56 am
“throw themselves across the path of history”……lovely prose. Good start, the GOP needs to shed the severe social conservatism and quickly they will gain traction with the independents. This does nothing to dissuade the far left, but that is impossible anyway, mabye not 47%, but a large number of people. There never was a monolith,that is a left wing interpretation of the far right wing, just as “welfare babies” is in the opposite direction. Stereotyping is lazy,unless acutely necessary for survival.
Voter
February 26th, 2013
10:57 am
Go ahead, keep doing it your way.
DannyX
February 26th, 2013
10:59 am
“There you go again comparing race to sexual behavior.”
Not in the least, willie! I made the very specific point that the Supreme Court does indeed decide marriage issues.
Voter
February 26th, 2013
10:59 am
@breckenridge – “It’s time for the religious right to take their idiocy and get the hell out of the republican party. You are not wanted.”
Dream on.
josef
February 26th, 2013
10:59 am
Theophilus
“Since you cannot prove there is not such a being, there is clearly the possibility that there is.”
Put an ace bandage on that jerking knee, Mec, That’s pretty much my point. And, BTW, I’m a somewhat religious believer…not pious, mind you, just religious…
stands for decibels - I got your "debt crisis" right here
February 26th, 2013
10:59 am
Ever-dwindling? Don’t think so.
Well, I do. and I think the number of openly gay ordained ministers say otherwise.
You can go right on believing that your levees aren’t breaking, but they are. I doubt that even a majority of straight SBC members under 30 truly think that their gay friends and family are any more “sinners” than they themselves are, for being who they are. not that they’re allowed to own up to it.
Doggone/GA
February 26th, 2013
11:00 am
“Yes, got that in writing. Would you like some Bible verses to read”
I said “straight from the hand of God” – the Bible books were written by men, not by God. The only thing attributed to “straight from the hand of God” is the 10 Commandments…and even THEY are in 2 versions.
DannyX
February 26th, 2013
11:00 am
“Go ahead, keep doing it your way.”
How about you, Voter? What are your own sins that society needs protection from?
JamVet
February 26th, 2013
11:00 am
The late, great Surgeon General Koop was one of the very first in a GOP administration to fight back – with knowledge and compassion – against the fascistic, homophobic American right wing on the matter of gays, AIDS, etc.
Alas, the religious nutjobs and other xenophobes over there have taken two steps back on these matters…
josef
February 26th, 2013
11:00 am
TBS
What’s its name today?
Joe Hussein Mama
February 26th, 2013
11:00 am
Theophilus — “That is immaterial to my point: if there is a Biblical God, you will be one unhappy camper upon your “passing”. Since you cannot prove there is not such a being, there is clearly the possibility that there is.”
Piffle. Since you cannot prove that I am not the Emperor of Venus, then clearly it is possible that I actually am.
You need to take a few courses in Philosophy there, “Theophilus.” Ask your prof to go over Russell’s Teapot, because clearly you’ve never heard of it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot
(laughing)
barking frog
February 26th, 2013
11:01 am
Marriage should be two or more people creating a contract to
form a family. I have no problem with churches decrying sin
as they define it but the government has no place defining sin.
Equality before the law for individuals is really simple. We should
just do it.
Aquagirl
February 26th, 2013
11:01 am
I’m not in the mood to chase rabbits today.
Awww…poor widdle Mess. I’m sure you’re not in the mood to get your @$$ verbally kicked either, yet you’re still here. As long as you lie and tap dance we’re free to smack you like a mid-season CW replacement show.
Now, why again are you claiming homosexuality is unhealthy when according to your own standards and statistics it’s clearly MORE healthy for the majority of the population?
Lack of literacy? Don’t understand women are people? Too homophobic?
Please continue running and dodging, as you’ve noticed watching ignorant people, misogynists and homophobes get flushed is a pastime here, so you’re already providing a nice fat slow-moving target.
Add in cowardly dodger and it just provides another point of contact on your pincushioned butt. Perhaps you’re here promoting the masochistic lifestyle…uh, not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Peadawg
February 26th, 2013
11:01 am
williebkind
The reason gay marriage now is compared to segregation back in the 60s is b/c you can pretty much take ANY speech from the 60s and replace “black” with “homosexual”.
mm
February 26th, 2013
11:02 am
“Homosexuality is a sin,”
For the Bible tells me so. Geez.
josef
February 26th, 2013
11:02 am
THEOPHILUS
Oops, I took that 10:53 as being addressed to me. My bad and my apologies…