On gay marriage, the GOP monolith crumbles a bit
WASHINGTON — Dozens of prominent Republicans — including top advisers to former President George W. Bush, four former governors and two members of Congress — have signed a legal brief arguing that gay people have a constitutional right to marry, a position that amounts to a direct challenge to Speaker John A. Boehner and reflects the civil war in the party since the November election.
The document will be submitted this week to the Supreme Court in support of a suit seeking to strike down Proposition 8, a California ballot initiative barring same-sex marriage, and all similar bans. The court will hear back-to-back arguments next month in that case and another pivotal gay rights case that challenges the 1996 federal Defense of Marriage Act…
Legal analysts said the brief had the potential to sway conservative justices as much for the prominent names attached to it as for its legal arguments. The list of signers includes a string of Republican officials and influential thinkers — 75 as of Monday evening — who are not ordinarily associated with gay rights advocacy, including some who are speaking out for the first time and others who have changed their previous positions.
Among them are Meg Whitman, who supported Proposition 8 when she ran for California governor; Representatives Ileana Ros-Lehtinen of Florida and Richard Hanna of New York; Stephen J. Hadley, a Bush national security adviser; Carlos Gutierrez, a commerce secretary to Mr. Bush; James B. Comey, a top Bush Justice Department official; David A. Stockman, President Ronald Reagan’s first budget director; and Deborah Pryce, a former member of the House Republican leadership from Ohio who is retired from Congress. “
I am a bit encouraged and a little bit disappointed by this development. On the one hand, it’s good to see the monolithic mindset within the Republican Party begin to crumble, at least a little bit. Slowly, painfully, dissenting views are being voiced, challenging the party orthodoxy. For the first time in memory, you’ve got Republicans saying that yes, the defense budget is as subject to budget cuts as any other part of the budget. For the first time since President George W. Bush’s attempt at immigration reform crashed onto the shoals of conservative groupthink, you’ve got a few Republicans admitting that amnesty would benefit not just illegal immigrants but the country as a whole.
Those are still minority viewpoints within the party, but that’s fine. At least they are being voiced and heard. That’s a healthy sign for a party that faces an immense modernization project.
However, it’s disappointing that the effort led by former GOP party chair Ken Mehlman — who himself came out as gay a few years ago — drew support from just two current GOP officeholders. The list of signatories includes four former governors, for example, but no current governor dared to sign on.
Some 70 percent of Americans under 30 support gay marriage, and the swing of public opinion in general over the past decade has been remarkable. Regardless of how the high court decides this particular case, we all know where we’re going to end up on this issue. Those who continue to throw themselves across the path of history in an attempt to block that progress do themselves, their party and their legacy a disservice.
– Jay Bookman
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stands for decibels - I got your "debt crisis" right here
February 26th, 2013
10:03 am
Theophilus @ 9.57, I don’t really need to distinguish for you the various legal difference between a publicly-accessed place of for-profit business and a place of worship, do I?
also, people bring lawsuits all the time. They don’t win ‘em all the time, though. Did you ever bother to follow up on that one (1) 4-month-old story you’ve linked?
Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking
February 26th, 2013
10:04 am
Jerome
No problem. The whole dog search thing has gone through the courts more than once. Where there is an expectation of privacy, such as your home, the police can not walk a dog to the front door and sniff for drugs without a search warrant. Driving down the road, walking on the sidewalk, or being in any other public place where there is no expectation of privace is fair game. Using a dog in those situations is no different than using your eyes looking for things.
If you have a sack of marijuana hanging out of your pocket while walking down the street, you’re gonna get busted (except for Colorado and Washington).
I bet ol Hewyard doesn’t travel outside the US either, or else he’d know that simply crossing our border is enough reason for a search.
Cherokee
February 26th, 2013
10:04 am
Aquagirl
February 26th, 2013
9:57 am
too funny…
fedup
February 26th, 2013
10:05 am
‘The homosexual lifestyle is just as dangerous’
So is working in the coal mines for those who hate govt. safety regulation.
Liberal Mess
February 26th, 2013
10:05 am
Aquagirl
The homosexual lifestyle is just as dangerous.
What exactly is unhealthy? If you’re gonna carp about teh AIDZ and other STD’s, lesbians have the lowest rate of anyone, including heterosexual women.
Jamming so much homophobia, misogyny, and garden variety ignorance in one small sentence is quite a feat…..What’s your next trick Mr. Mess, shrinking the Republican tent to the size of a Yugo?
No homophobia here. People are free to do what they want. Just pointing out facts. Here’s great read on the dangers of homosexuality.
http://downloads.frc.org/EF/EF10F01.pdf
stands for decibels - I got your "debt crisis" right here
February 26th, 2013
10:05 am
and i only pray that some costumed thugs don’t find out how serious I take it
And I pray that they do, because you are clearly a Darwin Award waiting to happen.
stands for decibels - I got your "debt crisis" right here
February 26th, 2013
10:06 am
Here’s great read on the dangers of homosexuality
The Family Research Council needs to be droned.
Doggone/GA
February 26th, 2013
10:07 am
“GOP is standing on the biblical beliefs that this country is founded on”
Otherwise know as “quicksand”
Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking
February 26th, 2013
10:07 am
“The vitriol on here
towardsfrom conservatism is astonishing!!”That’s how it goes down here. Not from all conservatives though. There is the group that actually engages their brain before releasing the brake.
williebkind
February 26th, 2013
10:07 am
Jay there are conservative democrats who do not tow the line with the liberal mindset. It is good to know that the great liberal monolith has cracks in it too.
stands for decibels - I got your "debt crisis" right here
February 26th, 2013
10:08 am
Hey, Theopolis, another question–
can you tell me when the Catholic Church was mandated to recognize legal divorce?
TBS
February 26th, 2013
10:08 am
Theo
I’m not Christian or Jew so your projections of your Bible onto me is an excercise in futility. You are welcome to believe it in, but not my bag.
Do you follow all of the Old Testament or just pick and chose the versus that you want to use as a sword?
Thought so…
DannyX
February 26th, 2013
10:08 am
Family Research Council!! Thanks Mess, I needed a good laugh today!
Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking
February 26th, 2013
10:08 am
dB @ 10:05 & 10:06
So much wrong in one minute’s time!!!
Jerome Horwitz
February 26th, 2013
10:10 am
Bro – Knew about the border crossing angle from personal experience. Back in the 80’s we were coming back into the US from Canada. The Border Patrol (or appropriate LE official) took one look at us – long hair, faded jeans, really nice car – and thought he hit the jackpot. Went thru the whole car – tapping all the hollow spots. Best he could do was find some prescription travel meds for our dog.
TBone
February 26th, 2013
10:10 am
It must be that time again to recycle the litany of progressive talking points. I don’t subscribe to the most of doings of the world but I am not going to actively seek a means to stop those hell bent on succumbing to the flesh. It’s called free will and we will all be held accountable soon enough. Eat, drink and be merry.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
February 26th, 2013
10:11 am
MAYBE IF LIBERALS SPENT MORE TIME FOCUSING ON HELPING PEOPLE THAN WORRYING ABOUT WHAT REPUBLICANS ARE OR AREN’T DOING IN THEIR PARTY………..
THEN SOME PROBLEMS COULD BE SOLVED
BUT I GET IT………. ITS NOT ABOUT HELPING PEOPLE…… OR SOLVING PROBLEMS…….. ITS ABOUT BEING RIGHT
TBS
February 26th, 2013
10:11 am
Willibkind
The question before the SC is not what the majority of Dems, Repubs or anyone thinks but if gay marriage should be legal?
Not sure if you are able to comprehend that those two things are not one in the same
Liberal Mess
February 26th, 2013
10:11 am
Peadawg
Where are the statistics? That goes to the CDC home page.
I always knew libs were lazy but this is ridiculous.
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/basic.htm#exposure
mm
February 26th, 2013
10:13 am
“Marriage should be a religious matter. Let the churches fight out who can get married.”
Uh, no. Marriage hs nothing to do with religion. Keep your religion where it belongs. In your church. You don’t have to be in a church to get married.
williebkind
February 26th, 2013
10:13 am
Every day the AJC/CNN has something about homosexuals and homosexuals getting married. Everyday! Now is that reporting news or is it shaping the news to change the minds of the uninformed.
I think we should change the 1st amd. We should put some CONTROL over it. I mean people really dont need that kind of power to live their lives.
Peadawg
February 26th, 2013
10:13 am
“I always knew libs were lazy but this is ridiculous.”
1. Not a “lib”.
2. You make a claim, you provide a link. I’m not doing your work for you.
breckenridge
February 26th, 2013
10:14 am
Theophilus it is never appropriate to quote the Bible during a political discussion. The Constitution? Yes. The Bible? No.
“An alliance or coalition between Government and religion cannot be too carefully guarded against……Every new and successful example therefore of a perfect separation between ecclesiastical and civil matters is of importance……..religion and government will exist in greater purity, without rather than with the aid of government.”
James Madison, author of the Bill Of Rights, 1822.
fedup
February 26th, 2013
10:14 am
“This effort is just the next step in the progressive war against the church. Marx said that communism can not come until the government breaks the churches hold on the people and the people look to the government for their belief system.”
I don’t much care about Marx. But those churches tried to protect the priest against the alter boys and there are lot of Baptist preachers who covet their neighbor’s wives.
philosopher
February 26th, 2013
10:14 am
td
February 26th, 2013
9:30 am
This effort is just the next step in the progressive war against the church.
For real?! what war and just which church IS that? This country is based on the principle of SEPARATION of church and state…so per your logic, we were doomed to Marxizm from the get-go.
If people are allowed to practice their FAITH unbridled by a single group’s religious doctrines, the government will reflect the decency of its peoples…all of its peoples. It is arrogant and wrong-headed to believe that only the Christian religion can keep America from tyranny. Most Christians ARE tyrannical in their own governing, and suspicious and dismissive even of each other. As a Christian, I object to “Christians” who want to rule my government and my personal life. “Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s and unto God, the things that are God’s”. Tend to your personal faith and stay out of others’ lives, please.
stands for decibels - I got your "debt crisis" right here
February 26th, 2013
10:14 am
incredibly off-topic, but–
I bet ol Hewyard doesn’t travel outside the US either
It would appear that about 35% of Americans do have a passport. I’m actually a bit (pleasantly) surprised it’s quite as high as that.
Liberal Mess
February 26th, 2013
10:14 am
fedup
‘The homosexual lifestyle is just as dangerous’
So is working in the coal mines for those who hate govt. safety regulation.
Perhaps but do we prop it up as if it something great to do. Wise up folks. Its a fact that homosexuals have an extremely high risk for STD’s. Why does the Red Cross ask you questions before they draw your blood? They simply realize the risk..
TBS
February 26th, 2013
10:14 am
Liberal Mess, TC or whomever
Wasn’t one of the FRC founding members caught with a young male escort about a year ago?
Didn’t one of the largest cure the gay religious orgs announce that the therapy was a farce?
Come out, come out, whenever you are
Doggone/GA
February 26th, 2013
10:15 am
“Marriage should be a religious matter. Let the churches fight out who can get married.””
Nope. Churches should stay out of marriage. It’s a legal contract, not a religous one.
DannyX
February 26th, 2013
10:15 am
Hey Mess, do you remember George Rekers?
Rekers is an ordained Baptist minister and co-founder of the Family Research Council. Rekers was caught traveling with a male prostitute he found on rentboy.com.
Great source!!!
Joe Hussein Mama
February 26th, 2013
10:15 am
Tbone — “I am not going to actively seek a means to stop those hell bent on succumbing to the flesh. It’s called free will and we will all be held accountable soon enough.”
By whom?
mm
February 26th, 2013
10:15 am
“MAYBE IF LIBERALS SPENT MORE TIME FOCUSING ON HELPING PEOPLE ”
Cons only focus on people when it’s about restricting their rights. Otherwise, they focus on giving rights and money to corporations.
stands for decibels - I got your "debt crisis" right here
February 26th, 2013
10:15 am
So much wrong
Just call me Wrongo Starr.
Theophilus
February 26th, 2013
10:15 am
“Theophilus @ 9.57, I don’t really need to distinguish for you the various legal difference between a publicly-accessed place of for-profit business and a place of worship, do I?”
I shouldn’t need to recite the 1st Amendment for you, but it appears I had better:
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…”
Compelling a business person to marry gays in violation of his conscience would prohibit the free exercise of his religion. A similar rationale lies behind protection for conscientious objectors.
Regnad Kcin
February 26th, 2013
10:16 am
“I think we should change the 1st amd. We should put some CONTROL over it. I mean people really dont need that kind of power to live their lives.”
willieb – there are many countries extant where you may be happier. Free speech is controlled in may places that have major airports…
Cherokee
February 26th, 2013
10:16 am
I think we should change the 2nd amd. We should put some CONTROL over it. I mean people really dont need that kind of power to live their lives.
williebkind
February 26th, 2013
10:16 am
TBS
“The question before the SC is not what the majority of Dems, Repubs or anyone thinks but if gay marriage should be legal?”
No it is not. It is a guise to change the definition of marriage. Marriage is between one man and one woman. Unions are for the homosexuals. Hopefully the SC is moral enough to allow unions to have the same benefits but does not change the definition of marriage.
TBS
February 26th, 2013
10:16 am
*wherever not whenever, but that might apply as well
Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking
February 26th, 2013
10:17 am
Jerome
Aquagirl
February 26th, 2013
10:17 am
Just pointing out facts. Here’s great read on the dangers of homosexuality.
Really, that 26 page PDF is chock-full of the dangers of homosexuality? What exactly are these gays doing that takes 26 pages to document? I’ve done a few wild things in my life and ran out of energy long before 26 pages worth.
Maybe it’s like those religious anti-gay videos, an hour and more of nearly naked men, writhing their sweat-covered, muscular, firm bodies in godless ecstasy. A few minutes just doesn’t get the point across so homophobes force themselves to watch hours and hours. All for godly purity, of course.
Liberal Mess
February 26th, 2013
10:17 am
stands for decibels – I got your “debt crisis” right here
Here’s great read on the dangers of homosexuality
The Family Research Council needs to be droned.
That really helps your cause. And Bookman is nowhere to be found.
stands for decibels - I got your "debt crisis" right here
February 26th, 2013
10:17 am
Jay there are conservative democrats who do not tow the line with the liberal mindset. It is good to know that the great liberal monolith has cracks in it too.
Translation: Mebbe I can find a few elderly Blue Dogs / Democratic Losership Council dead-enders who can sign my petition so I can call this thing I’m working on “bipartisan.”
Liberal Mess
February 26th, 2013
10:18 am
Aquagirl:
I guess facts are hard to accept when they don’t conform to what you believe. That’s fine your entitled to your opinion….
Theophilus
February 26th, 2013
10:18 am
“Cons only focus on people when it’s about restricting their rights.”
You mean like with gun control or the wish to apply the “fairness doctrine” to squelch the 1st amendment rights of conservative talk show hosts?
stands for decibels - I got your "debt crisis" right here
February 26th, 2013
10:19 am
That really helps your cause.
It would help a bit–we would be rid of some radical clerics operating within a domestic terror organization. Of course the collateral damage is always difficult to explain away.
75 Republicans Sign On to Gay-Marriage Push – Slate Magazine (blog)
February 26th, 2013
10:19 am
[...] position that is not only a direct challenge to House Republicans, who are defending …On gay marriage, the GOP monolith crumbles a bitAtlanta Journal Constitution (blog)Republicans sign brief in support of gay marriage, reports The [...]
Doggone/GA
February 26th, 2013
10:19 am
“Wise up folks. Its a fact that homosexuals have an extremely high risk for STD’s”
In Africa the highest incidence of AIDS is among heterosexuals.
Liberal Mess
February 26th, 2013
10:19 am
stands for decibels – I got your “debt crisis” right here:
Let the House and Senate vote and we’ll see.
Regnad Kcin
February 26th, 2013
10:19 am
“Compelling a business person to marry gays in violation of his conscience would prohibit the free exercise of his religion. A similar rationale lies behind protection for conscientious objectors.”
Nobody is forced to marry anyone.
stands for decibels - I got your "debt crisis" right here
February 26th, 2013
10:20 am
Liberal Mess, your silence indicates assent with my assertion that you’re ok with the lesbians in your hetero porn. Thanks!
UNCLE SAMANTHA
February 26th, 2013
10:20 am
POOR JAY
HE MUST NOT BE CHRISTIAN……… HE SPENDS ALL HIS TIME WORRYING ABOUT WHAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS DOING AND LESS ABOUT HIS OWN PARTY
MAKES ME THINK OF THE PARABLE BY JESUS
Matthew 7:5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye
Liberal Mess
February 26th, 2013
10:20 am
Doggone/GA:
There’s a higher incidence of everything on that unhealthy continent.
Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking
February 26th, 2013
10:21 am
Compelling a business person to marry gays in violation of his conscience would prohibit the free exercise of his religion. A similar rationale lies behind protection for conscientious objectors.
Nobody’s being compelled to do jack sh*t!!! Legalizing something doesn’t mean that you automatically have to do it. Geez… It’s too early in the morning for the stooopids>.
Liberal Mess
February 26th, 2013
10:21 am
stands for decibels – I got your “debt crisis” right here:
There’s really no reason to answer something as juvenile as that….
jewcowboy
February 26th, 2013
10:21 am
I love all the straight people with opinions about whether gay peoples relationships are worthy or not of marriage. When the f*** do gay people get to vote on whether straight peoples relationships are worthy?
stands for decibels - I got your "debt crisis" right here
February 26th, 2013
10:22 am
the wish to apply the “fairness doctrine” to squelch the 1st amendment rights
How is that doing, legislatively?
I mean, as opposed to real-life efforts to eliminate abortion access from entire states?
You really want to make THAT comparison?
Joe Hussein Mama
February 26th, 2013
10:22 am
L. Mess — “There’s a higher incidence of everything on that unhealthy continent.”
I’m sure Doggone appreciates your surrender on that particular point.
appleseed
February 26th, 2013
10:22 am
Well ! I see the Orifice back on his metamucil spewing his drivel as usual.
Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking
February 26th, 2013
10:22 am
Liberal Mess, your silence indicates assent with my assertion that you’re ok with the lesbians in your hetero porn. Thanks!
Somewhere, there’s a chimpanzee getting a whipping.
Thomas Heyward Jr
February 26th, 2013
10:22 am
Brosephus™ – Desktop but still Multitasking
February 26th, 2013
10:04 am
Jerome
No problem. The whole dog search thing has gone through the courts more than once. Where there is an expectation of privacy, such as your home, the police can not walk a dog to the front door and sniff for drugs without a search warrant. Driving down the road, walking on the sidewalk, or being in any other public place where there is no expectation of privace is fair game. Using a dog in those situations is no different than using your eyes looking for things.
If you have a sack of marijuana hanging out of your pocket while walking down the street, you’re gonna get busted (except for Colorado and Washington). I bet ol Hewyard doesn’t travel outside the US either, or else he’d know that simply crossing our border is enough reason for a search.
——————————————————————————————-
.
Trust me…………..I’ve traveled more than you.
I crossed more borders before the age of 30 that you will in a lifetime.
.
YOU may not expect privacy on public roads or border crossings but I do…..and you may have ten thousand Federales that agree with you….
But i don;’t.
.
Granted…….your typical dog MAY be smarter than a Federale., but that doesn’t mean it can violate my right to be secure from unreasonable searches.
And what happens if you weairdos DO find a joint?
What crime has been committed?
Doesn’t a crime have to have a victim?
.
Stick with your Supreme Court La-La land.
Just be advised………….a growing number of decent Americans could care less what your overlords say………no matter what fancy costume you have on or how many dogs boss ya’ll around.
.
Theophilus
February 26th, 2013
10:23 am
“Really, that 26 page PDF is chock-full of the dangers of homosexuality? What exactly are these gays doing that takes 26 pages to document? I’ve done a few wild things in my life and ran out of energy long before 26 pages worth.
Maybe it’s like those religious anti-gay videos, an hour and more of nearly naked men, writhing their sweat-covered, muscular, firm bodies in godless ecstasy. A few minutes just doesn’t get the point across so homophobes force themselves to watch hours and hours. All for godly purity, of course.”
Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! – Isaiah 5:20
Regnad Kcin
February 26th, 2013
10:23 am
U. Samantha said:
“Matthew 7:5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye”
Irony, thy name is Uncle Samantha!
stands for decibels - I got your "debt crisis" right here
February 26th, 2013
10:24 am
Nobody is forced to marry anyone.
this friggin’… person, seems to think that renting a publicly available facility for a wedding = “forcing a businessman to marry gays.”
Still no answer, I see, on when the RCC was forced to accept legal divorce.
JohnnyReb
February 26th, 2013
10:24 am
That the issue is gay rights is not significance. No, the significance is yet another case where states, the majority in this case, have voted against an issue, the Left won’t accept that outcome, and takes the court route.
If the court strikes down the wishes of the state it will be a Constitutional breach, but unfortunately not unprecedented.
stands for decibels - I got your "debt crisis" right here
February 26th, 2013
10:25 am
Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil
I also got your “Woe” right here. For the record.
TBS
February 26th, 2013
10:25 am
Jewcowboy
What’s up? Hope all is well in your world.
Theophilus
February 26th, 2013
10:26 am
“Somewhere, there’s a chimpanzee getting a whipping.”
Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked or stand in the way of sinners or sit in the seat of mockers. – Psalm 1:1
DannyX
February 26th, 2013
10:26 am
“I guess facts are hard to accept when they don’t conform to what you believe.”
What facts are those Mess? The “unskewed” facts brought to you by George Rekers and his boy toy? I’ll bet that research they did was pretty intense!
williebkind
February 26th, 2013
10:26 am
jewcowboy
February 26th, 2013
10:21 am
They are the ones who are attempting to make the changes to thousands of years of culture not the straight ones as you say. Is that toooooooooo deep for you.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
February 26th, 2013
10:27 am
Well…I have just one question for all you “real men” out there…you know who you are…
A man is a king,
A king is a ruler,
A ruler is 12 inches
You really a man?…
indigo
February 26th, 2013
10:27 am
Atl – 9:31
Was that case about gay marriage? If not, it has nothing to do with what’s being discussed here.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 26th, 2013
10:27 am
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/26/17100856-pope-to-wear-white-but-no-red-shoes-after-abdication?lite
Oh I used to be disgusted
and now I try to be amused.
But since their wings have got rusted,
you know, the angels wanna wear my red shoes.
But when they told me ’bout their side of the bargain
That’s when I knew that I could not refuse
And I won’t get any older
Now the angels wanna wear my red shoes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab_IO-SlK5w
Liberal Mess
February 26th, 2013
10:27 am
TBS:
Well perhaps all that will be introduced into testimony in support of your side. LOL…
jewcowboy
February 26th, 2013
10:27 am
Howdy TBS,
All is well, I actually have 30 minutes free between meetings which is rare. I hope all is swell in your slice of blue heaven as well.
Doggone/GA
February 26th, 2013
10:27 am
“I guess facts are hard to accept when they don’t conform to what you believe”
I guess faith is hard to justify when the facts don’t conform to what you believe.
Homosexuality is no more, and no less, “dangerous” than is heterosexuality. Pity you don’t like THAT fact.
Regnad Kcin
February 26th, 2013
10:27 am
“Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked or stand in the way of sinners or sit in the seat of mockers. – Psalm 1:1″
“if you don’t have a REAL point, you can always quote the Bible.” – Thomas Jefferson
williebkind
February 26th, 2013
10:28 am
JohnnyReb
February 26th, 2013
10:24 am
Good post. It goes to the heart of the matter.
Theophilus
February 26th, 2013
10:29 am
“Nobody’s being compelled to do jack sh*t!!! Legalizing something doesn’t mean that you automatically have to do it. Geez… It’s too early in the morning for the stooopids>. [sic]”
Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked or stand in the way of sinners or sit in the seat of mockers. – Psalm 1:1
jewcowboy
February 26th, 2013
10:29 am
williebkind,
“They are the ones who are attempting to make the changes to thousands of years of culture not the straight ones as you say. Is that toooooooooo deep for you”
I would suggest you do a little research and see what “traditional” marriage through the centuries has really meant…and it isn’t just the little wifey and hubby fallin in love.
http://www.upworthy.com/the-top-8-ways-to-be-traditionally-married-according-to-the-bible
Voter
February 26th, 2013
10:29 am
Keep it up.
Thomas
February 26th, 2013
10:30 am
Interesting Jay- why not say “I got nothing”. Kind of like reading about Super Bowl VII.
Let’s all tune in to Bernanke as he describes again about the fragile economy, the need for more stimulus (don’t we all!), and don’t you little people worry about oil (gas) and food inflation. You can buy computers and other plastic stuff on the cheap!
Joe Hussein Mama
February 26th, 2013
10:30 am
J. Reb — “That the issue is gay rights is not significance. No, the significance is yet another case where states, the majority in this case, have voted against an issue, the Left won’t accept that outcome, and takes the court route. If the court strikes down the wishes of the state it will be a Constitutional breach, but unfortunately not unprecedented.”
Wrong again.
We don’t put the civil rights of individuals up for a vote in this country. Most people learned that lesson in the 1960s. Clearly you didn’t.
Cherokee
February 26th, 2013
10:30 am
“wishes of the state ”
JohnnyReb someone with a moniker such as yours should understand that states have done all kinds of things to improperly restrict the rights of free Americans.
And yeah, sometimes the courts are the only option.
Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking
February 26th, 2013
10:30 am
Heyward
Why post all that mumbo jumbo when you simply could have said, “Brosephus, you’re right about the law.” Isn’t that what this country is all about, law of the land. If you don’t like the laws, then run for office and change them. Quit bitching about things and actually do something for once. For someone who claims to have crossed so many borders, you obviously don’t know jack sh*t about how good you have it here vs other countries.
Grow up dude, your childish “libertarian” sh*t is getting old.
indigo
February 26th, 2013
10:30 am
fedup – 10:14 “a lot of Baptist preachers who covet their neighbor’s wives”
And some of these Baptist preachers covet their neighbor’s husbands. And some covet their neighbor’s children.
williebkind
February 26th, 2013
10:30 am
“I guess faith is hard to justify when the facts don’t conform to what you believe.”
Prove that statement.
1811, etc.
February 26th, 2013
10:31 am
What does this have to do with MARTA or charter schools in Georgia ????
Voter
February 26th, 2013
10:31 am
@Doggone/GA “Homosexuality is no more, and no less, “dangerous” than is heterosexuality. Pity you don’t like THAT fact.”
Homosexuality is a sin, heterosexuality is not. THAT is why the liberal left and gays don’t like it and try to justify their sin by saying it’s bigotry or hate. Sin is sin.
williebkind
February 26th, 2013
10:31 am
“And some of these Baptist preachers covet their neighbor’s husbands. And some covet their neighbor’s children.”
Only a vile disgusting person thinks like that.
Aquagirl
February 26th, 2013
10:33 am
I guess facts are hard to accept when they don’t conform to what you believe. That’s fine your entitled to your opinion…
It’s not my opinion, it’s fact that women who don’t have sex with men are in the safest category, unless you include softball related-injuries.
Every stat you’ve posted has specified risk categories—men who have sex with men (the category formerly known as gay men, until the CDC realized Larry Craigs didn’t include themselves) heterosexuals, and “other.”
Why are you promoting the lesbian lifestyle? Do you think you’ll get to watch? Or are you simply too misogynistic to acknowledge half the world exists?
I’m going with the latter, since our cons are out and proud about how women are completely unimportant, when we discuss anything “d00d” is the default setting—and the only setting. Women? What women?
Oink for me Mess baby, I love it when you squeal like that guy in Deliverance. It’s the sound of your pink flesh being pounded into submission by the 21st century.
Doggone/GA
February 26th, 2013
10:33 am
“the wish to apply the “fairness doctrine” to squelch the 1st amendment rights of conservative talk show hosts”
When you have to lie to prove your point, you have no point.
jewcowboy
February 26th, 2013
10:33 am
JohhnyRweb,
“If the court strikes down the wishes of the state it will be a Constitutional breach, but unfortunately not unprecedented.”
Would you think the same way if the “people” voted to limit marriage to only green eye people with red hair?
Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking
February 26th, 2013
10:33 am
No, the significance is yet another case where states, the majority in this case, have voted against an issue, the Left won’t accept that outcome, and takes the court route.
Sounds like the same thing cons did about the ACA, yet I didn’t hear you griping about that. I guess it’s ok to use the courts when you agree with the group, huh?
TBS
February 26th, 2013
10:33 am
Liberal
Unless you are gay or fighting gayness, how does your day to day life change is gays are able to marry?
Would it change your religous beliefs and how you worship?
What have been the negative aspects in the states that already allow gay marriage? Did more gays just start growing and poping up in these states?
breckenridge
February 26th, 2013
10:34 am
Liberal Mess – It is not a coincidence that the US states with the lowest high school gradation rates are also the states with the highest per capita percentage of evangelical Christians.
Evangelical Christianity and the belief in Biblical inerrancy are the domain of inferior minds.
Doggone/GA
February 26th, 2013
10:34 am
“I’m sure Doggone appreciates your surrender on that particular point”
Yes, indeed!
Theophilus
February 26th, 2013
10:34 am
““if you don’t have a REAL point, yom the ou can always quote the Bible.” – Thomas Jefferson”
- from the proface to his bowdlerized version of the NT.
I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.
- Revelation 22:18-19
Cherokee
February 26th, 2013
10:34 am
According to Jesus, Voter, divorce and remarriage is a sin.
Get back to me when you start tossing divorced people out of your church.
stands for decibels - I got your "debt crisis" right here
February 26th, 2013
10:34 am
your typical dog MAY be smarter than a Federale
I’ve always wondered who among us actually finds those sad[1] “My dog is smarter than your honor student” bumper stickers to be remotely funny.
(they might have been, for about five minutes, twenty years ago, but I forgot if I ever laughed.)
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1. Sad not because of the original intent, which was to wisecrack at the expense of the then-popular “My Kid Is an Honor Student At Richardbreath Elementary!” stickers. But seriously, how often do you even see such things these days? It’s not a joke any more when the object of ridicule doesn’t even exist.
1811, etc.
February 26th, 2013
10:34 am
Headline (CBS): “NFL Teams Want To Know If Manti Te’o Is Gay”
Hummmmm ………………….