On gay marriage, the GOP monolith crumbles a bit

From The New York Times:

WASHINGTON — Dozens of prominent Republicans — including top advisers to former President George W. Bush, four former governors and two members of Congress — have signed a legal brief arguing that gay people have a constitutional right to marry, a position that amounts to a direct challenge to Speaker John A. Boehner and reflects the civil war in the party since the November election.

The document will be submitted this week to the Supreme Court in support of a suit seeking to strike down Proposition 8, a California ballot initiative barring same-sex marriage, and all similar bans. The court will hear back-to-back arguments next month in that case and another pivotal gay rights case that challenges the 1996 federal Defense of Marriage Act…

Legal analysts said the brief had the potential to sway conservative justices as much for the prominent names attached to it as for its legal arguments. The list of signers includes a string of Republican officials and influential thinkers — 75 as of Monday evening — who are not ordinarily associated with gay rights advocacy, including some who are speaking out for the first time and others who have changed their previous positions.

Among them are Meg Whitman, who supported Proposition 8 when she ran for California governor; Representatives Ileana Ros-Lehtinen of Florida and Richard Hanna of New York; Stephen J. Hadley, a Bush national security adviser; Carlos Gutierrez, a commerce secretary to Mr. Bush; James B. Comey, a top Bush Justice Department official; David A. Stockman, President Ronald Reagan’s first budget director; and Deborah Pryce, a former member of the House Republican leadership from Ohio who is retired from Congress. “

I am a bit encouraged and a little bit disappointed by this development. On the one hand, it’s good to see the monolithic mindset within the Republican Party begin to crumble, at least a little bit. Slowly, painfully, dissenting views are being voiced, challenging the party orthodoxy. For the first time in memory, you’ve got Republicans saying that yes, the defense budget is as subject to budget cuts as any other part of the budget. For the first time since President George W. Bush’s attempt at immigration reform crashed onto the shoals of conservative groupthink, you’ve got a few Republicans admitting that amnesty would benefit not just illegal immigrants but the country as a whole.

Those are still minority viewpoints within the party, but that’s fine. At least they are being voiced and heard. That’s a healthy sign for a party that faces an immense modernization project.

However, it’s disappointing that the effort led by former GOP party chair Ken Mehlman — who himself came out as gay a few years ago — drew support from just two current GOP officeholders. The list of signatories includes four former governors, for example, but no current governor dared to sign on.

Some 70 percent of Americans under 30 support gay marriage, and the swing of public opinion in general over the past decade has been remarkable. Regardless of how the high court decides this particular case, we all know where we’re going to end up on this issue. Those who continue to throw themselves across the path of history in an attempt to block that progress do themselves, their party and their legacy a disservice.

– Jay Bookman

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Stevie Ray

February 26th, 2013
9:04 am

JAY

Well the idea these homophobes are starting to see they have no business in our bedrooms is a good start. The resistent GOP’s are happy because it reduces the amount of competition for the christian right wingnuts cash..

Lord Help Us

February 26th, 2013
9:06 am

The is the victim of its own misinformation/red meat throwing/national enquirer indoctrination program. Not that they planned it that way…it evolved in the fever swamps, spread and motivated low-information voters.

The question is what to do with a bunch of hostile, angry, bitter, misinformed old white folk…

Mick

February 26th, 2013
9:08 am

Amazing how quickly the country came aboard…now if only the rest of the country would get on board with colorado and washington, we would be in for some high times and shrinking state deficits!!!

Liberal Mess

February 26th, 2013
9:08 am

I really don’t think this is news Jay. You could come up with the same number of dems who support normal traditional marriage.

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

February 26th, 2013
9:09 am

Good morning to all y’all…

“Some 70 percent of Americans under 30 support gay marriage”… Well, I’m more than a few degree’s north of 30, but I agree that all people have the right to marry whomever they choose. Pursuit of happiness is a right granted to ALL Americans.

Stevie Ray

February 26th, 2013
9:10 am

Liberal Mess

February 26th, 2013
9:08 am

Its news to me..

Liberal Mess

February 26th, 2013
9:10 am

The court thwarting the will of the people likely won’t happen. 30+ states support marriage as between one man and one woman with constitutional amendments.

Liberal Mess

February 26th, 2013
9:11 am

Stevie Ray

Liberal Mess

Its news to me..

That’s because its yet another divisive issue that dems love to exploit.

Arms Akimbo

February 26th, 2013
9:11 am

Maybe Rupaul should contribute $500k to Obama’s super-pac Organizing for Action. With quarterly access to the President through his new pay to play program, Rupaul might be able to influence this legislation and pick up some fashion tips from Michelle at the same time.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 26th, 2013
9:12 am

Well, I’m against this Gay Marriage stuff because it’ll clutter up the divorce courts and take months for a regular person to get a divorce. So it’s against Family Values. You can’t start another family without getting a divorce or they’ll put you in jail.

Have a good Tuesday everybody.

John K

February 26th, 2013
9:13 am

I think there are a handful of relatively sane Republicans left who can see that if they don’t enter the 21st century they’ll become a comical 3rd party.

ATL Born and Raised

February 26th, 2013
9:13 am

@Liberal Mess They supported marriage as between one white man and one white woman, too. The Supreme Court put the kabosh on that.

Jm

February 26th, 2013
9:15 am

wait, I thought all republicans were neanderthals per standard liberal doctrine

Welcome to the Occupation

February 26th, 2013
9:16 am

“For the first time in memory, you’ve got Republicans saying that yes, the defense budget is as subject to budget cuts as any other part of the budget”

To that I say: Bull.

Do you really think that either of these two parties of big business and darlings of the military industrial complex has the slightest intention of any lasting significant cuts to the military budget?

I don’t.

Granny Godzilla

February 26th, 2013
9:18 am

Liberal Mess

February 26th, 2013
9:10 am

The court thwarting the will of the people likely won’t happen. 30+ states support marriage as between one man and one woman with constitutional amendments.
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Those will fall.

It will be the law of the land.

And it is wonderful.

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 26th, 2013
9:18 am

“Regardless of how the high court decides this particular case,”
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Therein lies the problem with Statist/progs.
“High courts” don’t decide shat.
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People do.
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Gay or not………….I’ll marry anyone I want to.
The State only tarnishes the institute, codifies bigotry, and spreads hatred.
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subserviant plebes.
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Liberal Mess

February 26th, 2013
9:18 am

ATL Born and Raised

@Liberal Mess They supported marriage as between one white man and one white woman, too. The Supreme Court put the kabosh on that.

The Supreme Court hasn’t ruled yet.

Granny Godzilla

February 26th, 2013
9:18 am

Jm

February 26th, 2013
9:15 am

wait, I thought all republicans were neanderthals per standard liberal doctrine
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Perhaps thinking overburdens you.

Brosephus™ - WiFi and mobile :)

February 26th, 2013
9:19 am

Jm

Your first mistake was thinking.

:)

quick work break

February 26th, 2013
9:20 am

“The court thwarting the will of the people likely won’t happen. 30+ states support marriage as between one man and one woman with constitutional amendments.”

Amendments mostly from the early 2000’s don’t equal the will of the people -today-. Today, the majority support, therefore…no thwarting.

mm

February 26th, 2013
9:20 am

Nothing to see here. Just the latest instance of the rightwing pandering for votes in 2014. Same with immigration.

In the end, the cons will do nothing.

Liberal Mess

February 26th, 2013
9:21 am

Personally I feel like if society is trying to discourage folks to stop smoking and eat healthy we should also discourage against homosexuality. The homosexual lifestyle is just as dangerous. If someone wants to go that way fine. But rewarding the behavior with marriage I have a problem with.

F. Sinkwich

February 26th, 2013
9:22 am

Cool.

Now Manti Te’o can marry the “girl” of his dreams.

How precious…

Lord Help Us

February 26th, 2013
9:23 am

‘The homosexual lifestyle is just as dangerous.’

Do you ‘know’ this from experience?

John K

February 26th, 2013
9:25 am

‘The homosexual lifestyle is just as dangerous.’

How’s life in 1952?

Mick

February 26th, 2013
9:25 am

sink@9:22

You mad a funny! :lol:

Jm

February 26th, 2013
9:25 am

or perhaps liberals are full of cr-p

curious

February 26th, 2013
9:26 am

Except for tax considerations and legal rights associated with traditional married couples, this wouldn’t be an issue.

Welcome to the Occupation

February 26th, 2013
9:26 am

There’s a whole African continent to scramble for, Jay Bookman. You really think these leaders, Dem or GOP, are going to sit around on their hands and let those goodies go to the Chinese?

If so, you are one cheap date man.

ATL Born and Raised

February 26th, 2013
9:27 am

@Liberal Mess I was merely pointing out that the SC has “thwarted the will of the people” on a similar issue before.

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 26th, 2013
9:27 am

The “high court” also claims that marijuana is a schedule one dru(equal to heroin) , that a person doesn’t have the right to end their own life,that Corporations are People, and that torture is permitted.
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The People……….(the decent ones)………….say otherwise.
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One day…………you subserviant metro/federos will get a clue.
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Seriously Folks

February 26th, 2013
9:28 am

See, this topic, to me, will show how much a mental pretzel some people twist their minds. On one hand they wrap themselves in the Constitution when guns are mentioned, spewing ridiculous notions of “tyranny” “King Obama” “socialist”…but turn right around and say, “darn right government should control who marries whom”….Really makes my head hurt trying to understand that! Closed mindedness on such issues is not how to move anything forward!

To which I quote my favorite bumper sticker, “Minds are like parachutes…they only function when they are open!”

indigo

February 26th, 2013
9:28 am

I seriously doubt our founding fathers ever had any intention of having the Constitution interpreted to mean that “gay people have a constitutional right to marry”.

Social experiments are, along with other things, going to eventually be our downfall.

Aquagirl

February 26th, 2013
9:28 am

The homosexual lifestyle is just as dangerous.

What exactly is unhealthy? If you’re gonna carp about teh AIDZ and other STD’s, lesbians have the lowest rate of anyone, including heterosexual women.

Jamming so much homophobia, misogyny, and garden variety ignorance in one small sentence is quite a feat…..What’s your next trick Mr. Mess, shrinking the Republican tent to the size of a Yugo?

Donovan

February 26th, 2013
9:29 am

Calling homosexuality a natural trait of humanity is not a form of progress. It is a progressive form of liberal nonsense.

Linking such out-of-the-closet pride with modern acceptance is nothing more than liberal propaganda that attempts to alienate natural moral standards. It might seem to support the validity of basic human rights, but is far from the idea that homosexuality is a natural behavior.

td

February 26th, 2013
9:30 am

This effort is just the next step in the progressive war against the church. Marx said that communism can not come until the government breaks the churches hold on the people and the people look to the government for their belief system.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 26th, 2013
9:30 am

L. Mess — “The Supreme Court hasn’t ruled yet.”

Fortunately, they’re going to find that creating a ’separate but equal’ status via civil partnerships is unConstitutional and gay marriage will become legal nationwide.

Peadawg

February 26th, 2013
9:30 am

“That’s because its yet another divisive issue that dems love to exploit.”

And as long as the GOP has “we’re against equality for all” in their platform, Democrats are going to continue to exploit it.

ATL Born and Raised

February 26th, 2013
9:31 am

@indigo That was exactly the same arguement people were throwing out before the Virgina v. Love ruling.

John K

February 26th, 2013
9:31 am

“but is far from the idea that homosexuality is a natural behavior.”

Except for the part where it’s observed in all numbers of species?

weetamoe

February 26th, 2013
9:31 am

Among items mentioned thus far:
RuPaul is cuter then either Obama.
My favorite part of MacFarlane’s Oscar performance was the LA Gay Men’s chorus singing *I Saw Your Boobs.* According to the NYT some angry, bitter, hostile old white actresses were not amused. I don’t know any actresses.
But I do know a number of old white folks, gay and straight. Not a one of them is bitter or hostile.

Jerome Horwitz

February 26th, 2013
9:32 am

Liberal Mess is appropriately named. Homosexual lifestyle dangerous? Gangs of Gays running rampant in the street beating up straight people. Oh the humainty! You’ve got to be kidding. Waiting for the Good Christains to make an appearance to make the Biblical pronouncements.

However, this change in thought is a good thing and I’m glad to see people realize that it takes all of us to make the world spin.

ATL Born and Raised

February 26th, 2013
9:32 am

@Donovan Considering homosexual behavior is documented and observed across many different species seems to prove that it is indeed a very natural behavior.

Dunwoody Granny

February 26th, 2013
9:32 am

The government needs to get out of the marriage business altogether.

Civil unions registered with the government and available to gay and straight couples alike should confer property and parental rights.

Marriage should be a religious matter. Let the churches fight out who can get married.

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 26th, 2013
9:33 am

Marx said that communism can not come until the government breaks the churches hold on the people and the people look to the government for their belief system.

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stands for decibels - I got your "debt crisis" right here

February 26th, 2013
9:33 am

30+ states support marriage as between one man and one woman with constitutional amendments.

30+ states wouldn’t do so if that question were to be put to them in a referendum today.

no way. no how.

Mick

February 26th, 2013
9:33 am

donovan

Ever conjure up a thought or two what it must be like to be born different in that sense? Yes, we need to procreate to carry on humanity but why punish those who are born different? Just let it go and move on to more anti obama rants if that’s what makes your day… we are all equally human, like it or not…

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 26th, 2013
9:34 am

Oh yeah…..I almost forgot.
The “high court” just “decided” (Harris vs Florida) that a police dog can be used at all Check points to “signal” a full scale search.
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Gay marraige is the least of our worries……………………but then again, the issue serves its purpose.
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Welcome to Amerika.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 26th, 2013
9:35 am

Why is it not surprising that fighting against denying people equality and rights is considered by those who are the ones denying those rights to be exploitation? I can assure you that the LGBT community is not the ones complaining that the Dems are exploiting them. But I am sure we’ll hear more exploitation stupidity.

Welcome to the Occupation

February 26th, 2013
9:35 am

donovan: ” It might seem to support the validity of basic human rights, but is far from the idea that homosexuality is a natural behavior”

Forget homosexuality, what I want to know is where does this idea come from that heterosexuality is a “natural” behavior?

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 26th, 2013
9:36 am

Right on time that ..9:33.
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An Opologist……………trying to look in the mirror.

Mick

February 26th, 2013
9:36 am

brosephus

Yes, that comment truly deserves the almighty face palm..but then..some days you could set a record of sorts around here!!!

Jerome Horwitz

February 26th, 2013
9:36 am

THJ – That is indeed a scary proposition. Makes one wonder about the Fourth Amendment. Just wrong, no matter your party affiliation.

DannyX

February 26th, 2013
9:36 am

“This effort is just the next step in the progressive war against the church.”

td, why do you get to speak for all churches? There are mainstream Christian denominations that support gay marriage including the Episcopal church.

Hey Libs, how is your paychecks looking now

February 26th, 2013
9:39 am

Who care about this topic! This group has become another minority class that feels they need special treatment(s)!!!! Politically incorrectness is for the spineless! GOP is standing on the biblical beliefs that this country is founded on and hopefully want be forgotten by the masses!!!

curious

February 26th, 2013
9:39 am

td
“This effort is just the next step in the progressive war against the church. Marx said that communism can not come until the government breaks the churches hold on the people and the people look to the government for their belief system.”

Sounds like the Taliban position on religion.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 26th, 2013
9:39 am

Two Republican Texas lawmakers have filed bills that would cut funding for schools and universities that have policies supporting their LGBT students and staff.

More exploitation by Dems?

Bill Orvis White

February 26th, 2013
9:40 am

“Some 70 percent of Americans under 30 support gay marriage” and herein lies the apex of the problem and that problem is a general cultural decline which has its roots in the early 1960s when God was thrown out of the public screwels. Ever since that time, it has become permissible to slouch from The Bible and accept sexual deviancy, drug/drink use, promote the anti-family agenda, more regulations, Big Gov’t dependency and higher taxe$.

The rightful Republican Party and her allies are the lone bastions in a wilderness of debauchery, deficits, secularism, a weakened defense and an anti-Judeo-Christian attitude that has so permeated this once-free nation. Me and millions of others cannot recognize America today what with an installed, arrogant, incompetent “leader” who is happily taking “his” followers down a cruel path to meet Lucifer.

The only prescription for the madness is for the rightful Republican Party to return to what made itself so great by reintroducing The Bible and The Ten Commandments back into mainstream culture.

Amen,
Bill

stands for decibels - I got your "debt crisis" right here

February 26th, 2013
9:40 am

If you’re gonna carp about teh AIDZ and other STD’s, lesbians have the lowest rate of anyone, including heterosexual women.

Aquagirl, I seriously doubt our “liberal mess” has any problem with female same-sexers…

when he watches his pr0n.

(As long as they’re hawt and not, you know, real-life same-sexers, but rather hetero actresses who really want “liberal mess” to join in the fun, really, they do! Right, “liberal mess?”)

ATL Born and Raised

February 26th, 2013
9:40 am

@Hey Libs It’s not special treatment to be treated like everyone else.

jconservative

February 26th, 2013
9:40 am

Interesting cases. But the Court is leaving itself some wiggle room.

In the Prop 8 case the Court directed the attorneys to address “Whether petitioners have standing under Article III, Section 2 of the Constitution in this case.” as well as the
“Question presented:
Whether the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment
prohibits the State of California from defining marriage as the union of a man and
a woman. ”

The 14th Amendment reads: “No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

I would love to hear the oral arguments.

Peadawg

February 26th, 2013
9:41 am

“This group has become another minority class that feels they need special treatment(s)!!!!”

Being able to marry like everyone else is special treatment?

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Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 26th, 2013
9:41 am

Jerome: That is indeed a scary proposition. Makes one wonder about the Fourth Amendment. Just wrong, no matter your party affiliation.

A canine search, outside your vehicle, does not run afoul of the 4th Amendment. There is no expected right to privacy when you’re on a public road, which is where a checkpoint would be set up. “Mr. Ron Paul’s Shadow” tends to get a bit excited when freedom stuff comes up.

He might wanna go help out is fellow Libertarian, Glenn Beck though. Seems as though the Iron Sheik is about to open a can of whoop as on him for running his mouth.

https://twitter.com/the_ironsheik/status/305490867299442688

stands for decibels - I got your "debt crisis" right here

February 26th, 2013
9:42 am

just the next step in the progressive war against the church.

We didn’t declare war on them. ’twas the other way ’round.

Peadawg

February 26th, 2013
9:43 am

“promote the anti-family agenda”

Newt Gingrich already did that.

TBS

February 26th, 2013
9:43 am

If the SC rules in favor of gay marriage those who are in the closet or attending Bachman’s husband’s cure the gayness course will be welcome to proceed as they are now.

And for those gays who wish to marry if the SC rules in your favor, good for you and congrats.

stands for decibels - I got your "debt crisis" right here

February 26th, 2013
9:43 am

Seems as though the Iron Sheik is about to open a can of whoop as[s] on him for running his mouth.

What a long, strange trip it’s been.

DannyX

February 26th, 2013
9:43 am

“GOP is standing on the biblical beliefs that this country is founded on and hopefully want be forgotten by the masses!”

I guess Jesus loved slavery and the native American genocide. The modern GOP is standing on Biblical beliefs like shock and awe, worship of the rich, and mocking of the poor. God Bless.

Chuck Anziulewicz

February 26th, 2013
9:44 am

The GOP may not “Go Gay” anytime soon … but sooner or later they’ll have to come to grips with the fact that vilifying Gay Americans is no longer a vote-getter for them. Back in 2009 a CBS News survey found that while only 18% of Americans over the age of 65 supported marriage equality for Gay couples, 41% of American under the age of 45 supported it. That was FOUR YEARS AGO, and the generational shift in attitudes among young people toward their Gay friends and family members is accelerating.

Even conservative columnist Andrew Stuttaford grudgingly acknowledged this: “I fully understand (even if I do not agree with) the idea that same-sex unions are a threat to conventional marriage and I fully understand those who argue that opposition to gay marriage is a fundamental principle too important to be abandoned for reasons of political expediency, but these findings should, I reckon, at least be some sort of warning to those who assume that the GOP’s current position on this issue will continue to be a vote-winner.”.

30 years ago most Americans were not aware of any Gay friends, family members, or co-workers. Today most Americans ARE aware, and they have become dramatically more accepting and supportive of the Gay people and Gay couples in their lives. And social networking sites like Facebook have made the proverbial “closet” virtually obsolete. The Republican Party ignores this growing acceptance at their own peril. The economy is important, yes… but your friends are PERSONAL.

Welcome to the Occupation

February 26th, 2013
9:44 am

Yes, gay marriage, and all that.

But did you hear how our Nobel “peace” prize winning president has just sent the first troops to Mali to advance his bloody drone spree?

Guess Jay Bookman will leave it to Karl what’s his name to weight in on such matters.

Mike

February 26th, 2013
9:45 am

A married friend of mine says he all for gay marriage. Says everyone should have the right to be as miserable as the rest of us!

Reebok

February 26th, 2013
9:46 am

I spend a lot of time with college students and recent college graduates, and I assure you that among people in their teens and 20’s, this ship has already sailed. The next generation of kids will be amazed that there was ever a question about allowing people to marry whoever they wished.

Theophilus

February 26th, 2013
9:46 am

“Those who continue to throw themselves across the path of history in an attempt to block that progress do themselves, their party and their legacy a disservice.”

Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

- Isaiah 5:20

Mick

February 26th, 2013
9:46 am

bill orvis

It’s funny how you make marx look like a genius, “religion is the opiate of the masses”, I mean really, you can’t take god out of anything except your own home. Where do you stand or fall on that?
History moves forward and your type of thinking is being left behind, but that’s ok because you still have god, guns, and butter – party on!!!

TBS

February 26th, 2013
9:48 am

td

Exactly how do gays getting married constitute a “war against the church”?

Not sure if you realize this but we do not live in a theocracy and “the church” will have no legal mandate to marry gay folks

But do blather on as if this would somehow impact your daily life and how you believe and worship.

alittlecommonsense

February 26th, 2013
9:49 am

The government should get out of the marriage business entirely. Let everyone gay or straight have a legal contract that can vary from state to state. Call it a civil union or whatever. If someone wants to get “married” with a ceremony, fine. There isn’t any reason the government should care one way or the other. And the tax code needs to be scrapped anyway so that really isn’t a reason for the government to be in the marriage business.

Erwin's cat

February 26th, 2013
9:49 am

DG – The government needs to get out of the marriage business altogether.

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F. Sinkwich

February 26th, 2013
9:50 am

“Being able to marry like everyone else is special treatment?”

Gays are certainly allowed to marry like everyone else — no special treatment there.

stands for decibels - I got your "debt crisis" right here

February 26th, 2013
9:51 am

“the church” will have no legal mandate to marry gay folks

I really, truly, do wish that someone would sponsor a reputable polling outfit to learn just what percentage of regular churchgoers actually believe that it will.

Because given the crazed vociferousness I continue to see by some, I really think that percentage is significant. (Nothing like a majority, but probably 20-25%, and among self-identifying conservative Christians, probably a lot higher.)

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 26th, 2013
9:51 am

Brosephus™ – Desktop but still Multitasking

February 26th, 2013
9:41 am

A canine search, outside your vehicle, does not run afoul of the 4th Amendment. There is no expected right to privacy when you’re on a public road, which is where a checkpoint would be set up. “Mr. Ron Paul’s Shadow” tends to get a bit excited when freedom stuff comes up.
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Not excited Bro…………only serious.
Freedom is a serious matter……………………….and i only pray that some costumed thugs don’t find out how serious I take it.
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And Jerome Horitz———-I’m glad that I’m not the only one to see this travesty.
Lately ……….The seizure of our rights have not been a slippery slope.
it’s been a freefall……………………………as the collective hive has been transfixed on what gender can do who.
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sad

Joe Hussein Mama

February 26th, 2013
9:54 am

alittlecommonsense — “The government should get out of the marriage business entirely. Let everyone gay or straight have a legal contract that can vary from state to state. Call it a civil union or whatever. If someone wants to get “married” with a ceremony, fine.”

Many European nations do something like this already. Everyone goes down to City Hall or whereever and executes the legal documents, which makes them married.

Then, them what wants to go have a big wedding ceremony in a church can do that. And them what don’t want to, don’t do it. But either way, folks are legally married.

I think this would be best for everyone, especially if churches weren’t under any obligation or threat of penalty for not marrying couples for some religious reason or other. The couple could still get married and the church wouldn’t have to violate any of its tenets.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 26th, 2013
9:54 am

and i only pray that some costumed thugs don’t find out how serious I take it

And we only pray that you may receive help for your mental instability before you hurt someone. How is your manifesto coming?

Liberal Mess

February 26th, 2013
9:55 am

Lord Help Us

‘The homosexual lifestyle is just as dangerous.’

Do you ‘know’ this from experience?

Absolutely not. I know it from being informed and looking at statistics.

http://www.cdc.gov/

Peadawg

February 26th, 2013
9:56 am

“Gays are certainly allowed to marry like everyone else”

Only in a dozen states or so.

Theophilus

February 26th, 2013
9:57 am

“I really, truly, do wish that someone would sponsor a reputable polling outfit to learn just what percentage of regular churchgoers actually believe that it will.”

http://blogs.phillymag.com/bridal_bulletin/2012/10/23/discrimination-lawsuit-wedding-venue-filed-same-sex-marriage-legal-york/

Peadawg

February 26th, 2013
9:57 am

Liberal Mess
February 26th, 2013
9:55 am

Where are the statistics? That goes to the CDC home page.

Aquagirl

February 26th, 2013
9:57 am

Gays are certainly allowed to marry like everyone else — no special treatment there.

Just like black people could marry black people and white people could marry white people, and then those crazy folk had to go cry discrimination and special rights and stuff.

Now look what happened, we have a black guy in the White House. Now THAT’s unnatural, why do you think God made the darn house WHITE? Huh?!?!

[insert your own random Bible verse here for bonus self-righteousness points]

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 26th, 2013
9:58 am

dB

That’s where I got that twitter link. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Heyward

If you’re not transporting anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about. Dogs sniff air all the time, whether it’s around your car or not. Nobody’s trying to squash or impede your rights. Why you pretend so is beyond me. But, do as you must. Just remember that when you decide to go all Ruby Ridge, the police are carrying more than just handguns now.

Liberal Mess

February 26th, 2013
9:58 am

ATL Born and Raised

@Liberal Mess I was merely pointing out that the SC has “thwarted the will of the people” on a similar issue before.

When? I’ve never heard of them striking down a ballot measure. I could understand if they strike down DOMA but not state constitutional amendments voted on and supported by the people.

Welcome to the Occupation

February 26th, 2013
9:59 am

Meanwhile, as Jay Bookman takes another mini-victory lap over GOP intransigence and its inevitable date with the electoral woodshed, there’s that pesky little matter of the encroaching right wing offensive in virtually all areas of our life ASIDE from the boutique liberal social liberal identity politics issues.

Take, for example, the Voting Rights Act.

Oh, we’ll hear Bookman wringing his hands and tut tutting soon enough. But it’s clear enough that this is happening. So why aren’t we hearing anything from him about it NOW?

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/02/voting-rights-act-unconstitutional.php?ref=fpb

Overturning The Voting Rights Act Would Be Seminal Moment For Conservative Legal Movement

When the Supreme Court hears oral arguments Wednesday on the Voting Rights Act, opponents will argue that a centerpiece of the law aimed at letting the federal government proactively thwart attempts at voter discrimination has outlived its validity.

I feel like Richard Dreyfus in Jaws.

Jerome Horwitz

February 26th, 2013
9:59 am

Thanks for the clarification Bro……….. Don’t like it, but, that’s my problem. Just seems a little too much Big Brother to me. I’m big on Civil Liberties and this appears to be a random search. Now, if I fall out of a van followed by a cloud of funny smelling smoke ala Fast Times At Ridgemont High I’d expect the drug dog. But, I’d like to think they need a reason. Again thanks for the clarification.

And I’m staying clear of the Iron Shiek. ANd enjoy your daughters – the first twelve years are great, the teenage years are horrible, and then they return in their twenties. Like the prior poster I have first hand experience.

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 26th, 2013
9:59 am

Where are the statistics? That goes to the CDC home page.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Road Scholar

February 26th, 2013
9:59 am

Augagirl:”.What’s your next trick Mr. Mess, shrinking the Republican tent to the size of a Yugo?”

But but…Newt’s ego would not fit in the tent/Yugo!

monty

February 26th, 2013
9:59 am

The vitriol on here towards conservatism is astonishing!! On second thought, Nah!! Just the same people who poop on cars,and call it a good clean protest, I reckon.

TBS

February 26th, 2013
10:00 am

Will there be more gays if they are allowed to marry?

Hahahahaahah

One of you needs to come out of the closet, but I will keep from getting banned and hold that thought..

Cherokee

February 26th, 2013
10:01 am

Reebok

‘among people in their teens and 20’s, this ship has already sailed.’

What’s interesting is that that is pretty much also true when polls are taken of evangelical Christian kids.

breckenridge

February 26th, 2013
10:01 am

The republicans mentioned above are shrewd politicians. There has been substantial movement among young adults in America away from traditional Christianity. Per Pew Research: in 2007 15% of Americans identified themselves as non-Christians. In 2012 it was 20% and is expected to rise to 25% by 2017. Also: in 1980 51% of Americans believed the Bible is word-for-word true. In 2010 that had dropped to 34% and is expected to dip under 30% by the end of the decade.

Religious trends in America are moving quickly away from the born-again evangelicalism of the GOP. Case in point: last November two religious right extremists were defeated in US Senate elections (Missouri and Indiana).

If the GOP is to remain relevant nationally is had to dump the perverted religious right agenda. I say perverted because it is a true perversion of the message of Jesus Christ.

Doggone/GA

February 26th, 2013
10:02 am

“The homosexual lifestyle is just as dangerous”

WHICH “homosexual lifestyle”?

Theophilus

February 26th, 2013
10:02 am

“But do blather on as if this would somehow impact your daily life and how you believe and worship.”

Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

- Isaiah 5:20

Cherokee

February 26th, 2013
10:02 am

Liberal Mess – google Amendment 2, in Colorado.

Not that long ago, either….