How sequestration will affect Ga. citizens, businesses

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Because of required furloughs and spending reductions for TSA security agents, FAA air traffic controllers, customs agents and other personnel, flight delays of up to four hours are predicted at major airports such as Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport.

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On Friday, March 1, federal spending cuts forced by sequestration will be implemented. The total amount of spending to be cut — $85 billion — is somewhat small, but its impact is magnified by three specific provisions of the sequestration law:

1.) Major budgetary areas such as Social Security, interest on the debt, the Department of Veterans Affairs and military pay are off-limits to cuts. Cuts in Medicare reimbursement are limited to 2 percent. That concentrates spending reductions to remaining portions of the budget.

2.) By law, federal agencies that do face sequestration do not have the ability to pick and choose which programs will be cut or by how much. All cuts must be across the board, by meat cleaver rather than scalpel.

3.) The law requires savings in the current fiscal year, which began in October 2012. Because the required cuts are not being implemented until March, they must be backloaded into the final months of fiscal 2013, compounding the impact. As a result, non-defense discretionary spending will be cut by 9 percent for the remainder of the fiscal year; defense spending will be cut by 13 percent.

As a result of the provisions outlined above, the consequences of the sequestration are relatively simple to project. Here is a sampling of the impact on Georgia, as outlined by the Office of Management and Budget:

Teachers and Schools: Georgia will lose approximately $28.6 million in funding for primary and secondary education, putting around 390 teacher and aide jobs at risk. In addition about 54,000 fewer students would be served and approximately 80 fewer schools would receive funding.
– Education for Children with Disabilities: In addition, Georgia will lose approximately $17.5
million in funds for about 210 teachers, aides, and staff who help children with disabilities.

Military Readiness: In Georgia, approximately 37,000 civilian Department of Defense employees would be furloughed, reducing gross pay by around $190.1 million in total.
– Army: Base operation funding would be cut by about $233 million in Georgia.
– Air Force: Funding for Air Force operations in Georgia would be cut by about $5 million.

Vaccines for Children: In Georgia around 4,180 fewer children will receive vaccines for diseases such as measles, mumps, rubella, tetanus, whooping cough, influenza, and Hepatitis B due to reduced funding for vaccinations of about $286,000.

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Aviation is a major industry in Georgia. Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport boasts the busiest airport in the world, and many businesses are located in the metro Atlanta region because of easy access to Hartsfield. However, spending cuts required by sequestration will greatly reduce the efficiency of the national system. As the OMB reports:

Aviation – At the major gateway airports, average wait times could increase by 30-50 percent. At the nation’s busiest airports, like Newark, JFK, LAX, and Chicago O’Hare, peak wait times could grow to over 4 hours or more.

Aviation security – The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) would reduce its front-line workforce, which would substantially increase passenger wait times at airport security checkpoints. TSA would need to initiate a hiring freeze for all transportation security officer positions in March, eliminate overtime and furlough its 50,000 officers for up to seven days.

Aviation safety – The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) would be forced to undergo a funding cut of more than $600 million. This action would force the FAA to undergo an immediate retrenchment of core functions by reducing operating costs and eliminating or reducing services to various segments of the flying community… The furlough of a large number of air traffic controllers and technicians would require a reduction in air traffic to a level that could be safely managed by the remaining staff, resulting in slower air traffic in major cities, as well as delays and disruptions across the country during the critical summer travel season.

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Other impacts, also as reported by OMB:

Small business assistance
– Small Business Administration (SBA) loan guarantees would be cut by up to approximately $900 million, constraining financing needed by small businesses to maintain and expand their operations and create jobs.

Oil and gas permitting – Development of oil and gas on Federal lands and waters would slow down, due to cuts in programs at the Department of the Interior (DOI) and other agencies that plan for new projects, conduct environmental reviews, issue permits and inspect operations. Leasing of new federal lands for future development would also be delayed, with fewer resources available for agencies to prepare for and conduct lease sales.

Veterans services – Although the Department of Veterans Affairs is exempt from sequestration, the Department of Labor’s Veterans Transition Assistance Program, which serves over 150,000 veterans a year, would have to reduce operations – leaving thousands of transitioning veterans unserved as they move from active duty to civilian life. The Jobs for Veterans State Grants Program would also experience cuts, translating into a reduction in the capacity to serve tens of thousands of veterans in their efforts to find civilian employment.


Title I education funds
– Title I education funds would be eliminated for more than 2,700 schools, cutting support for nearly 1.2 million disadvantaged students. This funding reduction would put the jobs of approximately 10,000 teachers and aides at risk. Students would lose access to individual instruction, after-school programs, and other interventions that help close achievement gaps.

Senior meals – Federally assisted programs like Meals on Wheels would be able to serve 4 million fewer meals to seniors. These meals contribute to the overall health and well-being of participating seniors, including those with chronic illnesses that are affected by diet, such as diabetes and heart disease, and frail seniors who are homebound. The meals can account for 50 percent or more of daily food for the majority of participants.

Mental health and substance abuse services
– Cuts to the Mental Health Block Grant program would result in over 373,000 seriously mentally ill adults and seriously emotionally disturbed children not receiving needed mental health services. This cut would likely lead to increased hospitalizations, involvement in the criminal justice system, and homelessness for these individuals. In addition, close to 8,900 homeless persons with serious mental illness would not get the vital outreach, treatment, housing, and support they need through the Projects for Assistance in Transition from Homelessness (PATH) program.

FBI and other law enforcement – The FBI and other law enforcement entities would see a reduction in capacity equivalent to more than 1,000 federal agents. This loss of agents would significantly impact our ability to combat violent crime, pursue financial crimes, secure our borders, and protect national security.

Customs and border patrol – U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) would not be able to maintain current staffing levels of border patrol agents and CBP officers as mandated by Congress. CBP would have to reduce its work hours by the equivalent of over 5,000 border patrol agents and the equivalent of over 2,750 CBP officers.
– Jay Bookman

1,346 comments Add your comment

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 25th, 2013
8:24 am

And the demands for the Obama Plan, that is already available online, will be posted in 3…2…1

Peadawg

February 25th, 2013
8:30 am

Funny seeing such scare tactics coming from Obama and left when it was his idea.

**Let me add that I voted for Obama in 2012 so don’t call me a Republican**

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 25th, 2013
8:31 am

These meals contribute to the overall health and well-being of participating seniors, including those with chronic illnesses that are affected by diet, such as diabetes and heart disease, and frail seniors who are homebound. The meals can account for 50 percent or more of daily food for the majority of participants.

Well at least, as one poster exclaimed yesterday, no one is dying on the streets. Under these cuts, seniors will have the decency to slowly die in their current residences. No need to throw granny off a cliff. But remember, this is important so that we do not “overburden” the so-called job creators or tax the wealthy more by closing loopholes that they designed and lobbied for themselves.

Granny Godzilla

February 25th, 2013
8:31 am

We put 1 extra package of Oreo’s in the basement bomb shelter…..we’ll be fine.

Granny Godzilla

February 25th, 2013
8:31 am

February 25th, 2013
8:30 am

Funny seeing such scare tactics coming from Obama and left when it was his idea.
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Funny how?

Jay

February 25th, 2013
8:33 am

“Funny seeing such scare tactics coming from Obama and left when it was his idea.”

And just to be clear, Peadawg, he proposed the idea as a last-ditch alternative because otherwise, House Republicans were insisting that they would refuse to raise the debt ceiling, a step that would have devastated the economy and the nation’s credit rating.

Peadawg

February 25th, 2013
8:33 am

“Funny how?”

Yeah you’re right. “Sad” and “pathetic” would be better.

Peadawg

February 25th, 2013
8:34 am

“And just to be clear, Peadawg, he proposed the idea”

Yes, I know. Thanks for repeating what I said.

JohnnyReb

February 25th, 2013
8:35 am

Most media reports omit the fact that sequestration is a reduction in the amount of increase. If an agency was authorized to spend a million, they still have that million and, for example, instead of getting an increase to a milllion two the increase will be a million and a half.

Also not being put forth is how the dire predicitons of sequestration is not being used as a teachable moment. If trimming increases causes this many problems, imagine the pain when we have to live within our means.

Now, cue the call for the rich to pay more in 1…2…3

Union

February 25th, 2013
8:35 am

funny how the media is spinning this. been an issue for months and I guess since the oscars are over we can focus on this now.

Jay

February 25th, 2013
8:35 am

I didn’t repeat what you wrote, Peadawg. I completed it and put it into its proper context.

You’re welcome, by the way.

Simple Truths

February 25th, 2013
8:36 am

Some gloom and doom to start your week. Enjoy the veal!

Peadawg

February 25th, 2013
8:37 am

I completed it and made up excuses for a really bad idea.

Fixed your typo. You’re welcome, by the way.

JohnnyReb

February 25th, 2013
8:37 am

“….he proposed the idea as a last-ditch alternative because otherwise, House Republicans were insisting that they would refuse to raise the debt ceiling, a step that would have devastated the economy and the nation’s credit rating.”

So why didn’t Obama work with Congress to bring about a compromise on the two different bills passed by the House to avoid sequestration?

What’s the “fair” defense of Obama on that?

TaxPayer

February 25th, 2013
8:38 am

And Republicans will remind us how these cuts are all Obama’s fault because if it were strictly up to them, the cuts would have been much much greater, especially the tax cuts for the wealthiest.

Union

February 25th, 2013
8:40 am

Put in context it was yet another bad idea by a man who had no experience. the middle class I getting hit harder and harder. higher taxes… higher fuel costs.. higher living expenses.. but from the man that said the “buck” stops with him. somehow it’s everyone else’s fault…

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

February 25th, 2013
8:40 am

Jay,
Do you think it will really happen?

Jay

February 25th, 2013
8:41 am

Corbin, yes I do.

Granny Godzilla

February 25th, 2013
8:41 am

All this because the GOP will not relent on closing tax loopholes ….

The system is not broken it is fixed.

JohnnyReb

February 25th, 2013
8:41 am

Republicans voted for sequestration, so the cuts are not all Obama’s fault.

What is Obama’s fault is letting it get to this point. If he had one glimpse of knowing how to work with Congress to gain a compromise we would not be where we are. When it comes to working with others, he’s a total waste.

Welcome to the Occupation

February 25th, 2013
8:42 am

Welcome to austerity, American-style.

Now we really are becoming “Europe”.

TaxPayer

February 25th, 2013
8:42 am

Peadawg would have us believe that Republicans accepted Obama’s idea and wrote it into law. What next? Republicans would not make any spending cuts if they only had their way! :lol:

Peadawg

February 25th, 2013
8:43 am

“So why didn’t Obama work with Congress to bring about a compromise on the two different bills passed by the House to avoid sequestration?”

B/c Obama wants more tax increases even though he already got some back in December/January. I thought he was really interested in a balanced approach…that’s why I voted for him in November.

F. Sinkwich

February 25th, 2013
8:44 am

“Development of oil and gas on Federal lands and waters would slow down…”

Bwaahahahahahahaha

Cosby

February 25th, 2013
8:44 am

AQnd the King is luaghing..after all he would like to disolve the military….but wait, it is those evil Republicans fault…even thugh the King has no intention of solving the spending problem..and what is this from Demopcratcs..a “Balanced” approach..let me give you a hint…more taxes on everyone and no spending cuts…I say we quit sending the Feds any money and see what king and his court do!!

ty webb

February 25th, 2013
8:45 am

“last ditch alternative” is the new “protest vote”…good boy, Jay!

Jay

February 25th, 2013
8:46 am

“and what is this from Demopcratcs..a “Balanced” approach..let me give you a hint…more taxes on everyone and no spending cut

Obama proposes two dollars in cuts for every dollar in revenue.

TaxPayer

February 25th, 2013
8:46 am

More and more governors want the Republicans to compromise and accept revenue increase in addition to spending cuts.

Jay

February 25th, 2013
8:47 am

The GOP House proposes all cuts, none of them from defense, and almost all of them from programs that assist the poor.

Jay

February 25th, 2013
8:47 am

So judge for yourself who is being reasonable and is willing to compromise, and who is not.

JohnnyReb

February 25th, 2013
8:48 am

I see the honorable Left here won’t touch the fact that Obama has had a very long time to work with Congress to avoid this.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 25th, 2013
8:48 am

I have been looking carefully at the GOP Narnia map. I cannot seem to find these land of compromise that these posters keep talking about. I asked Boehner and he said he was not even sure how to find it after his “plan B” and other failures with the tea party contingent. Perhaps someone can share the GPS coordinates from their unicorn guidance system?

ATL Tiger

February 25th, 2013
8:48 am

I don’t see why these are problems NOW. Didn’t The President who caim up with this idea and then signed it into law know what was at stake? Surely he didn’t sign the bill without reading it for purely a political win at the tme.

TaxPayer

February 25th, 2013
8:50 am

Republicans have had a very long time to work with Obama. Not to worry though. They still have four more years.

Peadawg

February 25th, 2013
8:50 am

Jay
February 25th, 2013
8:47 am

You’re right. This sequestration thing is the most balanced…it hits everything. How much more balanced can you get?

Granny Godzilla

February 25th, 2013
8:50 am

JohnnyReb

February 25th, 2013
8:48 am

I see the honorable Left here won’t touch the fact that Obama has had a very long time to work with Congress to avoid this.
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And you are showing us the sterling example of how the GOP worked to avoid it?

I think not.

Peadawg

February 25th, 2013
8:51 am

“Republicans have had a very long time to work with Obama”

And he got his tax increase. What are you still btching about?

Welcome to the Occupation

February 25th, 2013
8:51 am

cosby: ““and what is this from Demopcratcs..a “Balanced” approach..let me give you a hint…more taxes on everyone and no spending cut”

Any person still claiming that at this point puts their idiocy out on full display for all to see. The Democratic party is a party of NOTHING. BUT. COMPROMISE. That’s its very core existence.

Tough getting that through FOX-news-addled rube skulls though.

JohnnyReb

February 25th, 2013
8:51 am

ATL Tiger – not only was this Obama’s idea, he gave wind bag speeches demeaning the Republican House for their attempts to change it, to avoid this. The Left conveniently forgets that.

Jeffrey

February 25th, 2013
8:52 am

Wsj oped says deficit is improving. Check it out unless you like needless worrying.

Aquagirl

February 25th, 2013
8:52 am

Congress’ inability to handle their business is Obama’s fault. That makes perfect sense, considering it’s from the people who want to drown government in the bathtub.

Government services are like vaccines, people born into a world with them think they’re optional. Let’s remove them for a bit and maybe a few of these money-grubbing idiots will stop equating taxes with theft.

TaxPayer

February 25th, 2013
8:53 am

Apparently Republicans have not been fed anything new given that all they know how to say is that Obama came up with the idea and then wrote it into law. Stick with that line, cons. I’m sure your unskewed polls will prove your strategy right.

gadem also known as Benghazi

February 25th, 2013
8:53 am

I know that Republicans are all giddy about the cuts to education, Title IX funding, Help for children and anything that appears to help the poor and disadvantaged.

I am going to open a bootstrap making business so that I can sell to all the lazy takers. That way they can pull themselves up and start doing for themselves.

JohnnyReb

February 25th, 2013
8:53 am

Granny – you have hit on what is a silent point within the beltway. Obama has pissed off the Right big time with his arrogance. He’s gonna have to eat some crow or the next four will be very hard for him.

Jeffrey

February 25th, 2013
8:53 am

Can’t wait to be delayed at the airport. More time at the bar.

deegee

February 25th, 2013
8:54 am

What was so bad about the Simpson-Bowles proposal? In 2010 a bipartisan commission spent 9 months deliberating a comprehensive debt reduction plan.The Commission was supported by over 60% of the members (11 out of 18), and an equal number of Democrats and Republicans. The report did not reach the 14-vote threshold required to formally endorse the blueprint and have it sent to Congress for approval. It fell short by 3 votes. I’ll bet that it would pass now.

ITS ALL BUSH"S FAULT

February 25th, 2013
8:54 am

Jay, you cannot reason with the unreasonable . Cons are stupid and like being stupid..

Concerned Blogger

February 25th, 2013
8:54 am

Jay, when will the new software be implemented for the format of your blog?

JohnnyReb

February 25th, 2013
8:55 am

Reasoning with Moonbats — herding cats is easier.

curious

February 25th, 2013
8:55 am

At least CEO pay is skyrocketing.

Granny Godzilla

February 25th, 2013
8:55 am

JohnnyReb

February 25th, 2013
8:53 am

Granny – you have hit on what is a silent point within the beltway. Obama has pissed off the Right big time with his arrogance. He’s gonna have to eat some crow or the next four will be very hard for him.
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My oh my!

And the right is making everybody else so very happy, right?

Snicker.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 25th, 2013
8:55 am

Like Boehner’s I got 98% of what I wanted with the sequestration and Ryan’s praise for it at the time, I suspect many of our same blamers here were part of the same group of GOPpers who told us how great the sequestration was and how the GOP won the day.

JohnnyReb

February 25th, 2013
8:56 am

“Cons are stupid and like being stupid..”

And the moniker says it all.

Skip

February 25th, 2013
8:57 am

If we can’t afford a 2% cut we must be operating on a shoestring.

Jay

February 25th, 2013
8:57 am

Concerned, I do not know.

Ivan

February 25th, 2013
8:57 am

“So judge for yourself who is being reasonable and is willing to compromise, and who is not.”

More faux compromise whining. Here’s how Obama compromises…

“But if Congress won’t act soon to protect future generations, I will. I will direct my Cabinet to come up with executive actions we can take”

Translation: “I’ll stomp my feet and just do everything my way.”

Compromise…… Ha!

alittlecommonsense

February 25th, 2013
8:57 am

“All this because the GOP will not relent on closing tax loopholes ….”

Ok, I’ll bite. When have the Dem’s done more than lip service to closing tax loopholes? Speeches don’t count – I’m talking about real action.

The way I see it, both parties are pretty much equally guilty of creating the loopholes, and the only real efforts to close looopholes (i.e. simplify the tax code) are from the right.

Welcome to the Occupation

February 25th, 2013
8:57 am

“I see the honorable Left here won’t touch the fact that Obama has had a very long time to work with Congress to avoid this.”

Too many skulls that are so thick. Too few heavy duty cutting tools.

Political madness in the rube-o-cracy goes on.

TaxPayer

February 25th, 2013
8:58 am

Like Boehner’s I got 98% of what I wanted with the sequestration and Ryan’s praise for it at the time, I suspect many of our same blamers here were part of the same group of GOPpers who told us how great the sequestration was and how the GOP won the day.

Apparently Republicans believe that everyone is afflicted with their memory loss issues.

Concerned Blogger

February 25th, 2013
8:59 am

Cool….I do not know if I can will be able to handle the new style….Have you ever thought about going out and creating your own blog…separate from the AJC?

F. Sinkwich

February 25th, 2013
8:59 am

O’bozo got his tax increases just a number of weeks ago, now he wants more. In lib ilk world taxes are never high enough nor raised frequently enough.

Move along, no balance to be seen here…

Jeffrey

February 25th, 2013
8:59 am

Jay, I tried to buy tickets for the real sotu tonight and was told there were no tix but that a donation was suggested. Do you know if there is a certain amount suggested? I’m bringing my wife and my dad. Can’t wait.

To Tell the Truth

February 25th, 2013
8:59 am

Until we get this MORON out of the White House, America will continue to decline!!!!

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 25th, 2013
9:01 am

Well, far as I can see it ain’t working. The polls all show the public is blaming us godly Republicans for the cuts that are coming up. It’s the dangedest thing I ever seen. I mean, nobody’s buying the blame-Obama argument. They just ain’t budging. We tried everything, right down to painting a picture of a newborn baby in a hospitle nursery with about a eleventy-billion buck debt strapped to its leg. Maybe if we had of used a orchestra with violins . . . naw, they still wouldn’t buy it. I mean, if they won’t buy the idea of setting around a kitchen table as kinda like working out the national budget, it’s for sure they won’t buy the rest of the line.

Me, I just want to cut somebody off so I can feel all ,. . . all Republican. Heck, I’d settle for 91 year old Mrs. Buckwell across the road. Maybe take away her Medicare wheelchair or something. Anything but what we’re doing now.

But no, they’ll cave this week. This country is going to the dogs. I’m so disgusted.

Have a good Monday everybody.

curious

February 25th, 2013
9:01 am

It has been demonstrated that the Republicans aren’t willing to compromise except under duress.

No sense in the Democrats even trying until crunch time.. Sequestration is going to hurt the Republican base (military-industrial complex) the most.

barking frog

February 25th, 2013
9:02 am

The House of Representatives can fix this,
the President cannot.

Granny Godzilla

February 25th, 2013
9:03 am

alittlecommon sense

a wee piece from folks who speak your language…..

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/20/end-to-tax-loopholes-could-also-be-tough-sell-for-democrats/

Wonder why the house GOP has a problem with it?

Wonder, wonder why.

Jay

February 25th, 2013
9:05 am

Jeffrey, I have no idea. Sorry, my role is to show up.

QE 4 EVAH?

February 25th, 2013
9:05 am

A costly “mistake” that got Obama through the election.

TaxPayer

February 25th, 2013
9:05 am

Obama signed off on Congress’s elimination of a temporary cut to payroll taxes that he requested originally and on Congress’s partial elimination of temporary income tax cuts implemented during the Bush Administration. If only those Bush tax cuts had lived up to the Republican claims that they would pay for themselves.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

February 25th, 2013
9:05 am

Jay

Obama proposes two dollars in cuts for every dollar in revenue.
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LIBERAL-INTERPRETATION.COM TRANSLATES THIS INTO:

PROPOSE DOES NOT ALWAYS MEAN PUT INTO ACTION…….. ALWAYS PROPOSE BUT NEVER PUT INTO ACTION…… ALWAYS GET THE TAX INCREASES FIRST THEN PROMISE THE CUTS LATER WHEN THEY HAVE NO LEVERAGE

JamVet

February 25th, 2013
9:06 am

Obama has pissed off the Right big time with his arrogance.

I have been watching the American right wing very closely since the days of Richard Nixon, and guess what, Reb?

They have always been generally PO’d. Very angry, self-righteous and self-absorbed, completely intolerant and uncompromising, without compassion and mean-spirited. Much of the animus in the name of Jesus.

But you knew that. (Even so, I could list a whole bunch of (in)famous names to prove the point.)

I guess that is their great appeal to the ever-enraged who voted for them…

Welcome to the Occupation

February 25th, 2013
9:06 am

“Until we get this MORON out of the White House, America will continue to decline!!!!”

Rubes of the world, unite!!

By the way, looks like the Bersani coalition has defeated Berlusconi in Italy.

To Tell the Truth

February 25th, 2013
9:06 am

The democrats have not done anything to help America!!!! Point fingers, hung an American Ambassador out to dry, raised EVERYONES TAXES!!!!!

Anton Chigurh

February 25th, 2013
9:07 am

So, amend the law to let the departments pick their 2 percent. But, make them cut nonetheless.

SBinF

February 25th, 2013
9:07 am

Sequestration was all Obama’s idea?

Someone refresh my memory, wasn’t it Boehner who proudly proclaimed that his side got 98% of what they wanted in the sequestration deal?

Thomas Heywared Jr

February 25th, 2013
9:07 am

“FBI and other law enforcement – The FBI and other law enforcement entities would see a reduction in capacity equivalent to more than 1,000 federal agents. This loss of agents would significantly impact our ability to combat violent crime, pursue financial crimes, secure our borders, and protect national security.”
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Is that a promise?
Could we get it in writing?
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If so………………..All Decent Americans would be more safe.
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And as far as the other affects…………if you’re relying on Federal stolen funds, then you’re a parasite anyhoo.

Jeffrey

February 25th, 2013
9:07 am

Thanks for the reply anyway. I’m hoping the rain will make it easy to get in

Mike

February 25th, 2013
9:08 am

It’s all smoke and mirrors folks.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 25th, 2013
9:09 am

curious — “It has been demonstrated that the Republicans aren’t willing to compromise except under duress.”

Indeed. Their so-called “compromise” bill contained Federal caps on medical malpractice suit awards — how, precisely, do caps on malpractice awards directly impact on the Federal deficit?

And there was plenty of partisan red meat besides that. The so-called Republican “compromise” bill was larded up with Republican-friendly bulldada provisions that didn’t have jack spit to do with the deficit, and yet our conservative friends here want to blame the President for not compromising?

Let’s see y’all pass a bill that restricts itself to just budgetary matters, not partisan feel-good legislation. Then we’ll talk.

Soothsayer

February 25th, 2013
9:10 am

$85 billion is around 2% of our federal budget. $85 billion is around 5% of the $1.5 trillion we print every year to cover our out-of-control spending.

If we can’t even do 2%, there literally is no hope for this country.

For those who don’t know what a $ trillion looks like, here it is. (You have to work your way down the page.)

JohnnyReb

February 25th, 2013
9:10 am

Obama’s approach to fixing sequestration is just like all his political moves. That being to destroy the competition. He did it when elected to the senate. He did it to McCan via his attacks on Bush. He did it to Romney. He is trying to do it to the whole Republican Party.

It would be very refreshing to see a few Moonbats here admit that Obama either will not or does not know how to work with Congress. His idea of working together is to give him his way without discussion.

Granny Godzilla

February 25th, 2013
9:10 am

Thomas Heywared Jr

February 25th, 2013
9:07 am

Two things…

Has the spelling of your name changes since your last appearance as a sock puppet?

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Plagiarists are parasites too. Big uns.

Partisay

February 25th, 2013
9:11 am

“Obama has pissed off the Right big time with his arrogance. He’s gonna have to eat some crow or the next four will be very hard for him.”

So the right is gettin their feelings hurt because they think the President is too arrogant? So is that what they are basing whether they work with the President or not? Now that’s leadership coming from the right!

[...] Atlanta Journal Constitution (blog) [...]

straitroad

February 25th, 2013
9:12 am

Jay, the president is the boy who cried wolf. There is nothing one can look to in his brief history that suggests that he would come remotely close to cutting the budget. He just simply isn’t credible. We’ve listened to one manufactured crisis after another from him with fingers pointing in every direction except in the mirror. His is an absolute ideolog who lacks the ability of Reagan or Clinton to forge compromise. We’ll see more of the same until his term expires and all of your excuse making or “putting it into context” as you say, will change his behavior.

alittlecommonsense

February 25th, 2013
9:13 am

Granny, I don’t see anything there about dems making any real effort to close loopholes. The article basically said they might be willing to accept closing loopholes (on higher income people only) instead of raising taxes. i.e.

“Democrats have suggested a willingness to accept closing the loopholes”

Give it another try. I’m willing to be proven wrong.

Granny Godzilla

February 25th, 2013
9:13 am

Attack Attack Attack

That’s what the GOP calls their opposition pointing out truth.

Cherokee

February 25th, 2013
9:13 am

Four more years, To Tell – thank goodness.

Then Hillary or Joe will take over, and you can whine some more….

St Simons - he-ne-ha

February 25th, 2013
9:14 am

oh yeah, its gonna happen. Its the new 21st century version of
’shutting the gubmint down.’
It is ironic that with this horribly timed (or maybe well-timed) austerity
toddler fit the cons are pitching, that we will become ‘Europe,’
which will go unnoticed by cons, since its irony and all.

Man, these cats are goin’ out with a bang, a Chixulub bang.
They ain’t going extinct without taking an entire world economy
down with ‘em.

MiltonMan

February 25th, 2013
9:15 am

The sky is falling, the sky is falling!

Funny that Obama sells to his gullible minions that DC police and firemen would be laid off when in reality the city pays their wages and not the feds.

TaxPayer

February 25th, 2013
9:15 am

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 25th, 2013
9:15 am

Obama’s approach to fixing sequestration is just like all his political moves. That being to destroy the competition

why I do declare this is just not right. Why it will be his Waterloo. We need to make sure he is a one term President. Now show me to my feinting couch.

Cherokee

February 25th, 2013
9:16 am

“Obama is arrogant!”

“Obama won’t cut spending!”

“Obama will destreoy America!”

There really is no reasoning possible with people when they start with these attitudes… Facts simply don’t matter…

stevie ray

February 25th, 2013
9:18 am

Hook lisne sinker. At least you get kudos for doing your sheepish job in your heros hysteria. So i guess reducing spending by two cents for every dollar, not to mention that 80cents are being borrowed will have calamitous outcomes. This tactic is akin to making the us sick before making us better. Two cents, or 1.2 centss of our own dough plus interest.

I guessnthe affected agencies have no other creative means of implementing the cuts.

Granny Godzilla

February 25th, 2013
9:18 am

alittlecommonsense

you don’t?

of course you don’t.

I feel a little silly that I even bothered.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 25th, 2013
9:18 am

J. Reb — “It would be very refreshing to see a few Moonbats here admit that Obama either will not or does not know how to work with Congress.”

And people in hell want ice water.

M

February 25th, 2013
9:19 am

So the Republicans WANT spending cuts…but they want to blame the sequester on Obama, so that when the spending cuts cause misery, they can absolve themselves of blame. Got it.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

February 25th, 2013
9:19 am

RACEISM

calling the president the boy who cried wolf………. shame

you must whitewash it to this

he is the petulant selfish toddler who cried wolf

Peadawg

February 25th, 2013
9:20 am

Soothsayer
February 25th, 2013
9:10 am

Actually a pretty good point.

Thomas

February 25th, 2013
9:20 am

President Obama is perfect and above reproach. Back with another meaningful blog in 10 minutes.

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 25th, 2013
9:20 am

Why aren’t they mentioning “unnecessary” Federal workers this time?
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Did the Feds get tired of being laughed at?
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lol

mm

February 25th, 2013
9:20 am

“Funny seeing such scare tactics coming from Obama and left when it was his idea.”

And the cons passed it in the House 218-0. You own it cons.

M

February 25th, 2013
9:21 am

Maybe the sequester will at least rid us of the “Well first of all, we take 10% right off the top of everything” economic geniuses.

Just Saying..

February 25th, 2013
9:22 am

It would seem that Peedawg is drinking more than just Kool-Aid…

N-GA

February 25th, 2013
9:23 am

South Carolina might as well shut down…….

Liberal Mess

February 25th, 2013
9:23 am

Well I guess obama shouldn’t have rolled this out then. If its gonna be so bad.

MiltonMan

February 25th, 2013
9:23 am

“So the Republicans WANT spending cuts…but they want to blame the sequester on Obama, so that when the spending cuts cause misery, they can absolve themselves of blame. Got it.”

Both parties are guilty of it – The Pres signed the BCA and “implemented” absolutely nothing that was recommended by his own “super committee”

williebkind

February 25th, 2013
9:23 am

“Under these cuts, seniors will have the decency to slowly die in their current residences. No need to throw granny off a cliff.”

In my family we took care of our seniors we did not need your food program. Still need that government to look after you huh?

Bemused Observer

February 25th, 2013
9:23 am

Please, Mr. Bookman, point me to where President Obama has put in writing his “proposals” for dealing with the impending and very large increases in federal spending that will result if the Medicare and Social Security “programs” are not restructured. And, while you are at it, please explain why the President is lying about the sequester (not to mention possibly things like Benghazi)?

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/02/23/woodward-why-is-obama-still-misleading-everyone-on-the-sequester/

Road Scholar

February 25th, 2013
9:23 am

Johnny Reb: “I see the honorable Left here won’t touch the fact that Obama has had a very long time to work with Congress to avoid this.”

And what is Congresses job? Sitting with their head up their ass and doing nothing? You cons cry fro the President’s leadership. Well we are a nation of 100Million or so. So we only have one leader? Spending bills are suppose to start in the House. So since the President proposed his, where is Congress’s? Oh and how does it include the Presidents’ proposals?

Joe Hussein Mama

February 25th, 2013
9:24 am

M — “So the Republicans WANT spending cuts…but they want to blame the sequester on Obama, so that when the spending cuts cause misery, they can absolve themselves of blame. Got it.”

Precisely.

It’s Newt’s Washington Shutdown all over again. But this time, the GOP dimly remembers that Washington Shutdown hurt Hulk last time. Hulk no like hurt.

MiltonMan

February 25th, 2013
9:24 am

“And the cons passed it in the House 218-0. You own it cons.”

…just ignore that the democratic-controlled senate also passed it.

stevie ray

February 25th, 2013
9:24 am

Cherokee,

The last one is silly but the first two can certainly be argued in the affirmative. He doesnt want to cut.
Unless of course there remains a back door to eliminate cuts which wont effect til down the road. I want us to go over cliff and so should you. If all this hysteria is real, the gops coma will get deeper. Of course ifnthe inverse is true, your guy ane his minions bit the dog. Fun stuff.

straitroad

February 25th, 2013
9:24 am

UNCLE SAMANTHA

February 25th, 2013
9:19 am

What in the heck are you talking about? Shame on what?

YouLibs

February 25th, 2013
9:24 am

The thing I like best about this, or should I say hate least about this, is that we will finally see, in glaring definition, what effect austerity has on a struggling economy and whether or not government spending inhibits job growth.

Peadawg

February 25th, 2013
9:25 am

“It would seem that Peedawg is drinking more than just Kool-Aid…”

Nope, just water. Thanks for asking.

Liberal Mess

February 25th, 2013
9:25 am

mm
February 25th, 2013
9:20 am

“Funny seeing such scare tactics coming from Obama and left when it was his idea.”

And the cons passed it in the House 218-0. You own it cons.

Dems passed it out of the Senate 51-47. It went to the President and he signed it and even defended it by saying he would veto any move to repeal it. Seems he and his party is simply trying to create another crisis.

Cherokee

February 25th, 2013
9:25 am

Ahh Benghazi finally came up – but it took almost 90 minutes – you guys are slipping….

MiltonMan

February 25th, 2013
9:26 am

“Well we are a nation of 100Million or so.”

Someone played “skip school” when the actual numbers were being taught in 2nd grade.

Granny Godzilla

February 25th, 2013
9:26 am

Thomas Heywared Jr

February 25th, 2013
9:07 am

Or

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 25th, 2013
9:20 am

Oh my!

Bemused Observer

February 25th, 2013
9:27 am

“The last one is silly but the first two can certainly be argued in the affirmative. He doesnt want to cut.”

If he really wanted to cut, he would have put some proposals in writing (as the GOP in the House has done). He is evidently a liar.

QE 4 EVAH?

February 25th, 2013
9:27 am

“’This is a deal we can probably live with,’ Obama said, willing to do almost something to salvage something and prevent catastrophe.’”

Now, the president says—as his administration churns out reports about job losses and economic doom—the country cannot abide by this arrangement.

Read more at http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2013/02/25/Bob-Woodward-Obamas-Incredible-Sequester-Mistake.aspx#1BfjRp80aHC8t2Ui.99

It was Obama’s idea so his minions have no other choice but to live with it.

Peadawg

February 25th, 2013
9:28 am

I stay away from sugary drinks.

Steve

February 25th, 2013
9:28 am

Simpson Bowles would have gotten us past this mess. For the life of me, why didn’t this pass through Congress?

alex

February 25th, 2013
9:28 am

At least you don’t live in Hampton Rd., even the dem congressman there is getting jittery. Anyway in 4 weeks the budgetery talks restart and this could all be funded for the rest of the year. Both sides to blame for the nonselective cuts. As for the White house, getting a bit odd and pandering is becoming more obvious,Michelle shows up on the Oscars for another photo op,The Fallon dance and of course Tiger and the President. Appears to this slightly right of center observer as increasingly disturbing, Ceasar crossed the Rubicon in response to the adoring people, and disregards the Senate…Abit melodramatic, I agree-but…Anyway, time to tighten belts and take the bus!

Steve

February 25th, 2013
9:29 am

As much as the “right” tries to spin this, Americans are blaming Congress, and they should – Congress is probably the worst we’ve seen in centuries.

Cherokee

February 25th, 2013
9:29 am

Stevie ray there have already been substantial cuts. Who knows, or cares, whether he ‘wants to’?

I think there needs to be increases in spending – while we can borrow money at less than the cost of inflation, we should be spending money on infrastructure – bridges, highways, ports, airports… instead of cutting.

Austerity is ruining the UK – why do we want to follow in their footsteps?

TaxPayer

February 25th, 2013
9:29 am

When can we expect to see Republicans on all the talk shows telling us how they did not want any of these cuts. It’s all Obama’s fault. :lol:

Bemused Observer

February 25th, 2013
9:30 am

“Simpson Bowles would have gotten us past this mess. For the life of me, why didn’t this pass through Congress?”

Ask Obama or Reid.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

February 25th, 2013
9:30 am

using the term BOY to describe the president

you proved my point…… every liberal GOT IT……… but you weren’t meaning it in that sense….. so you didn’t get it

:)

alittlecommonsense

February 25th, 2013
9:31 am

“I feel a little silly that I even bothered.”

Ok Granny. You tried to make a point that Dems are all for closing loopholes. I tried to engage you in discourse like a reasonable adult with a willingness to listen on my part. You gave no evidence of your position. You actually linked an article which largely disproved your point. Apparently now since you can’t back up your assertation with any sort of facts you resort to a snarky comment. Why even bother commenting here if you can’t bother to defend your position better than that?

Welcome to the Occupation

February 25th, 2013
9:31 am

Twelve dimensional chess?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/25/us/politics/democrats-and-republicans-miscalculate-on-automatic-cuts.html?hp&_r=0

WASHINGTON — With Congress unlikely to stop deep automatic spending cuts that will strike hard at the military, the fiscal stalemate is highlighting a significant shift in the Republican Party: lawmakers most keenly dedicated to shrinking the size of government are now more dominant than the bloc committed foremost to a robust national defense, particularly in the House.

That reality also underscores what Republicans, and some Democrats, say was a major miscalculation on the part of President Obama. He agreed to set up the automatic cuts 18 months ago because he believed the threat of sharp reductions in military spending would be enough to force Republicans to agree to a deficit reduction plan that included the tax increases he favored.

Mr Right

February 25th, 2013
9:31 am

All this panic for what ? The Feds will still spend more this year than last year even with the cuts, so what’s the big deal? Just goes to show Obama don’t want ANY cuts period! The $16,500,000,000,000.50 debt don’t matter!

fedup

February 25th, 2013
9:31 am

That small only affect the 47%. Everybody knows Repugs don’t care about them.

Paul

February 25th, 2013
9:31 am

All we’ve heard from the Republican Right is how government is too big and needs to be cut. Now they have what they’ve wanted all they do is complain about the cuts and try to give credit to Pres Obama. Can someone explain this?

Liberal Mess

February 25th, 2013
9:32 am

Steve

Simpson Bowles would have gotten us past this mess. For the life of me, why didn’t this pass through Congress?

Ryan’s plan was very simpler and did pass the house. Stalled in the Senate though thanks to the dems.

Mr Right

February 25th, 2013
9:32 am

Got to be good to get it posted twice! Ha!

UNCLE SAMANTHA

February 25th, 2013
9:32 am

Steve

February 25th, 2013
9:28 am
Simpson Bowles would have gotten us past this mess. For the life of me, why didn’t this pass through Congress?

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BECAUSE THE PETULANT SELFISH CHILD WHO ORDERED IT ……… ABANDONED IT WHEN THE RESULTS CAME OUT……….

NOW IF THEY HAVE COME OUT WITH RAISED TAXES RAISE SPENDING…….. HE WOULD HAVE CHAMPIONED IT

bookman parrot

February 25th, 2013
9:32 am

what is sad, is all the scum in D.C. continue playing politics and continue the decline of the U.S.
on the lighter side: of course decline is technically “change” … so you (lib voters) are getting the change you were promised.

Partisay

February 25th, 2013
9:33 am

“In my family we took care of our seniors we did not need your food program. Still need that government to look after you huh?”

Sounds like you are fortunate – yes fortunate. Not all seniors have a family to fall back on. You don’t get out in the real world much do you? But I must say…your response was typical republican.

You should be so proud….

UNCLE SAMANTHA

February 25th, 2013
9:34 am

alittlecommonsense

February 25th, 2013
9:31 am
“I feel a little silly that I even bothered.”

Ok Granny. You tried to make a point that Dems are all for closing loopholes. I tried to engage you in discourse like a reasonable adult with a willingness to listen on my part. You gave no evidence of your position. You actually linked an article which largely disproved your point. Apparently now since you can’t back up your assertation with any sort of facts you resort to a snarky comment. Why even bother commenting here if you can’t bother to defend your position better than that?

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WHERE’S PAUL RYAN WITH A PUSH WHEN YOU NEED HIM!!!!!

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

February 25th, 2013
9:34 am

Now show me to my feinting couch.

Starts right, then darts to the left?

lovelyliz

February 25th, 2013
9:34 am

A lot of red states are going to be surprised to learn just how much more of the federal trough they are gorging from than what they pay into it.

Progressive, Liberal, Lefty

February 25th, 2013
9:34 am

Trying to reason with a bunch of morons would make me feel a bit arrogant too. If President Obama is arrogant, he has about 230 congressional reasons to feel that way.

williebkind

February 25th, 2013
9:37 am

“They have always been generally PO’d. Very angry, self-righteous and self-absorbed, completely intolerant and uncompromising, without compassion and mean-spirited. Much of the animus in the name of Jesus”

Once again the loquatious JAMVET devotes his efforts spewing more garbage and he should just stop and start to excogitate.

stevie ray

February 25th, 2013
9:38 am

Cherokee

Show me the cuts that werent already recognized, dont occur for years, or in the case

Bemused Observer

February 25th, 2013
9:38 am

“I think there needs to be increases in spending – while we can borrow money at less than the cost of inflation, we should be spending money on infrastructure – bridges, highways, ports, airports… instead of cutting.”

It’s very simple. We have what is fast approaching a 17T dollar deficit. It is expected that, with no changes to current policy and no dramatic improvement in the economy, in 10-15 years the cost of benefits for retiring baby boomers will greatly increase this deficit (according to the CBO). In other words, we are facing years of balloon payments we in all likelihood will not be able to afford. We have to both grow the economy and figure out how to cut spending in such a way that we can handle these upcoming balloon payments. No amount of viable tax increases will solve the problem.

Granny Godzilla

February 25th, 2013
9:38 am

alittlecommonsense

Why even bother commenting here if you can’t bother to defend your position better than that?
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.
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Because experience here as taught me that even if engraved into stone tablets and brought down from the mountainside….

You simply refuse to see.

I don’t mind wasting my time with some of the others, but I’m just not that into you.

http://mediamatters.org/research/2013/02/22/conservative-media-ignore-obamas-sequester-plan/192778

Morality?

February 25th, 2013
9:38 am

Sequestration – because Congress & the Prez are PARTY LOYALISTS and are gutless when it comes to doing the right thing.

BlahBlahBlah

February 25th, 2013
9:39 am

More SKY IS FALLING garbage from the braintrust in D.C.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 25th, 2013
9:39 am

williebkind — “Once again the loquatious JAMVET devotes his efforts spewing more garbage and he should just stop and start to excogitate.”

Get thee to a dictionary.

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 25th, 2013
9:40 am

Bookman forgot the draconian cuts to the FDA.
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We’ll all be eating horse meat soon.
And wait until we really find out what’s in BirdsEye brands.
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Make’em stop Wilbur.
Make-em stop..
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The HORROR.!

alittlecommonsense

February 25th, 2013
9:40 am

Uncle Sam – you almost made me spew coffee on the keyboard. lol.

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

February 25th, 2013
9:40 am

Just shows to go you that the Federal Government is too damn big. It has it’s nose in every aspect of our lives. Maybe this will serve as a wake-up that the power of the Federal Government should be limited and not expanded at every opportunity.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

February 25th, 2013
9:40 am

“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America ’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America ’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that, “the buck stops here.’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.” ~ Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006

YAWN !

williebkind

February 25th, 2013
9:40 am

“A lot of red states are going to be surprised to learn just how much more of the federal trough they are gorging from than what they pay into it.”

Good, maybe the democratic plantation will move to New Jersey. They will see you there LovelyLiz.

stevie ray

February 25th, 2013
9:40 am

Cherokee

Please educate me on any cuts that werent already

Mr Right

February 25th, 2013
9:40 am

When can we expect to see Republicans on all the talk shows telling us how they did not want any of these cuts. It’s all Obama’s fault.

And if it isn’t whose fault is it, at the least lt was his idea! Maybe if he would get off the campaign trail and get serious about getting something done it could be avoided, oh well, time for another round of golf.

Road Scholar

February 25th, 2013
9:40 am

Milton M: I am not surprised my point was lost on you!

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

February 25th, 2013
9:40 am

CHICKEN LITTLE LIVES !

Granny Godzilla

February 25th, 2013
9:41 am

democratic plantation….

snicker

M

February 25th, 2013
9:41 am

Well it’s a good thing that Paul Ryan is both for and against the sequester.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYzjMs-6MAE

Joe Hussein Mama

February 25th, 2013
9:42 am

M — “Well it’s a good thing that Paul Ryan is both for and against the sequester.”

He was for it before he was against it.

Recon 0311 2533

February 25th, 2013
9:43 am

Jay’s tossing out the White House B.S. but you can’t fault him because he truly believes in it. Obama who cannot or will not lead is only playing politics convinced that America worships the ground he walks on and will therefore hate Republicans.The Republican strategy to counter this game playing president appears to be giving him transfer authority so he can move funds around various accounts thus giving the president ability to minimize the pain. If we truly can’t slow the growth of spending by 2.4% of the 3.6 trillion being spent with 40% of that amount borrowed money we’re in very serious financial trouble.

Tom( Viet Vet-USAF)

February 25th, 2013
9:43 am

Maybe I do not understand this completely. The President and Democrats got the tax increase on the wealthy(high achievers, as some would say), but they now object to the spending cuts as agreed upon earlier. I’m just a simple man(as Bill OReilly would say) but even though this may be painful, doesn’t things have to be cut if you do not have the money to pay for it? At some point we have got to stop borrowing money from China? It seems the only real answer to this situation(keep playing for all current programs) is to raise taxes on all(wealthy, middle &poor)? Am I right or incorrect?

UNCLE SAMANTHA

February 25th, 2013
9:43 am

alittlecommonsense

February 25th, 2013
9:40 am
Uncle Sam – you almost made me spew coffee on the keyboard. lol.

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THE REAL FUNNY PART……… THE LIBERALS DON’T EVEN GET IT

tevie ray

February 25th, 2013
9:44 am

cherokee

Please direct me to cuts that werent already done, have been implemented, or dont effect down the road without a backdoor. Of course the interest savings ispredicated on reduced borrowing. Wont happen not the least of which is due to pelosicare.

Mr Right

February 25th, 2013
9:44 am

I don’t mind wasting my time with some of the others, but I’m just not that into you

This after responding to the person that she don’t want waste anytime responding to! Needed my morning chuckle!

Erwin's cat

February 25th, 2013
9:45 am

Oh the drama…sequester already

stands for decibels

February 25th, 2013
9:46 am

Know one thing: We are ruled by horrible, horrible people.

This sequestration ought to be called “suicide by cop” instead, because that’s what it amounts to.

/drive-by

The Thin Guy

February 25th, 2013
9:46 am

Sequestration is only a 2 % cut to the federal budget. That’s it. Most of the 57 states being lorded over by The Kenyan Nincompoop have had to make cuts larger than this to deal with the pathetic economy created by the illiterate imam infesting the White House. There are things that will never be cut such as the $ 1,000 per hour golf lessons for ØDumbø by golf pro Butch Harmon. And who paid for Moochella to go to the Oscars last night. Even in the worst economy in the last 100 years caused by the worst CEO is the history of recorded civilization there are things that are sacrosanct.

St Simons - he-ne-ha

February 25th, 2013
9:46 am

the AM radio legend lives on…
‘that gubmint shutdown allllmost worked, if we’d of just stuck to our gunz’

yeah, mon. try it again.
I mean, your leader on the AM radio is ashamed of you anyway
what have they got to lose?

Brosephus™ - Mobile and Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
9:47 am

What we need is a tax cut!!!!

DownInAlbany

February 25th, 2013
9:47 am

Anyone, dem or pub, that points the finger at the other “side” does not live in reality. There’s enough blame to go around, including, the Prez. The pubs apparently are willing to go to the mat on this one, the dems are cluelessly watching from the sidelines and the Prez finds it more important to go to FL and golf with Tiger and get $1000/hour golf lessons while the country goes down the tubes. Washington is broken and we are, also, to blame for sending our senators and reps back up there time and time again, to do nothing. There are no winners here…

Bemused Observer

February 25th, 2013
9:47 am

“Jay’s tossing out the White House B.S. but you can’t fault him because he truly believes in it.”

Or maybe he just needs to “toe the line”:

http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/23/juan-williams-liberal-media-will-shut-you-down-stab-you-kill-you-fire-you-if-disagree-video/

indigo

February 25th, 2013
9:48 am

Obama proposed it.

Republicans voted for it.

Now, same Republicans are blaiming him.

Loyal cons fully support their political idols and totally “forget” who supported this bill.

Only in America.

tevie ray

February 25th, 2013
9:48 am

Anyone remember the gloom doom and despair promised by firing union air traffic controllers?

That big scare didnt work out so well for dems did it?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

February 25th, 2013
9:48 am

Recon/Erwin’s cat:

Oh, the handwringing HYPOCRISY !

And I post again:

“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America ’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America ’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that, “the buck stops here.’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.”

Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006

Bemused Observer

February 25th, 2013
9:49 am

“What we need is a tax cut!!!!”

What we need is MORE spending!!!

Granny Godzilla

February 25th, 2013
9:49 am

Mr Right

February 25th, 2013
9:44 am

I don’t mind wasting my time with some of the others, but I’m just not that into you

This after responding to the person that she don’t want waste anytime responding to! Needed my morning chuckle!
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Happy you had a chuckle….I did too.

alittlecommonsense

February 25th, 2013
9:49 am

Granny “I’m just not that into you.”

So sad. I thought we had whole this sexual tension thing going on between us.

Paul

February 25th, 2013
9:49 am

Still haven’t read one of our conservative bloggers who thinks govt is too big and needs to be cut, thank Pres Obama for coming up with the sequestration idea and getting Republicans to overwhelmingly support it. Why is that?

curious

February 25th, 2013
9:51 am

How much could we save by not dredging the Savannah River?

How about stopping all Federal funding for transportation projects?

Eliminate the IRS.

williebkind

February 25th, 2013
9:51 am

Speaking of the democratic plantation, will not this sequester hurt those who expects free stuff for their votes? They have given King Obama their votes and now due to his arrogance denying any opportunity to compromise for a commonsense deal these residents of the plantation will not get all their free stuff. How is that going to go over? Will we see more riots and destruction of property like the liberals usually do when they do not get their way?

Bemused Observer

February 25th, 2013
9:51 am

“Oh, the handwringing HYPOCRISY!”

It is not fair to apply Obama’s own standards against him. Can someone please censor this poster?

TBS: Posting on weekends so PD can cry on Monday

February 25th, 2013
9:52 am

Neither side is or has been doing that great………..

But that goes without saying

Jm

February 25th, 2013
9:52 am

obama propaganda

hardly a hiccup likely from sequester

tevie ray

February 25th, 2013
9:52 am

Indigo

The gops certainly didnt look the gift horse in the mouth. It was a pretty sweet deal your hero ponied up. Guess he shoulda done his political homework eh?

DownInAlbany

February 25th, 2013
9:53 am

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

February 25th, 2013
9:53 am

tevie ray @ 9:48

Thank you !

Recon 0311 2533

February 25th, 2013
9:53 am

Or maybe he just needs to “toe the line”:

Yes, Williams has experienced it first hand and has the courage to openly talk about it.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
9:53 am

Anyone remember the gloom doom and despair promised by firing union air traffic controllers?

That big scare didnt work out so well for dems did it?

The smoking gun is the mushroom cloud.

That big scare didn’t work out so well tor this country, did it?

Oh, and stevie/tevie ray: It’s always a good idea to double check the spelling of your nom-de-blogm when you sign back in after doing the sock-puppet thingie.

Just suggestin’.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

February 25th, 2013
9:54 am

Bemused Observer :

LOL !!

TBS: Posting on weekends so PD can cry on Monday

February 25th, 2013
9:54 am

Williebkind

Who is King Obama?

Bemused Observer

February 25th, 2013
9:54 am

“Still haven’t read one of our conservative bloggers who thinks govt is too big and needs to be cut, thank Pres Obama for coming up with the sequestration idea and getting Republicans to overwhelmingly support it. Why is that?”

Still haven’t seen one of our liberal bloggers acknowledge or justify Obama’s deceit about sequestration. Why is that?

Paul

February 25th, 2013
9:56 am

Bemused

What deceit?

Recon 0311 2533

February 25th, 2013
9:56 am

Pres Obama for coming up with the sequestration idea and getting Republicans to overwhelmingly support it. Why is that?

Because the Republicans were stupid enough to believe Obama would actually get serious about spending cuts.

Dave

February 25th, 2013
9:57 am

From what I’ve read, it appears that both sides are comfortable letting this thing happen and seeing which of them we hate most. The scary thing is, if I read correctly this weekend, the current “continuing resolution” (what passes for a budget) expires at the end of March. That would stop all spending, not just cut it in a draconian way. March ought to be pretty interesting.

Bemused Observer

February 25th, 2013
9:58 am

“What deceit?”

Get thee to a media source other than MSNBC.

williebkind

February 25th, 2013
9:59 am

“Williebkind

Who is King Obama?”

It is the POTUS who thinks he can make law without interference from that little pesky thing called the constitution.

williebkind

February 25th, 2013
10:00 am

The sequester will rid the country of approximately 800,000 federal workers. Now that is good.

Granny Godzilla

February 25th, 2013
10:01 am

Bemused

Deceit? Where?

DownInAlbany

February 25th, 2013
10:01 am

2.4%…2.4%! We are arguing over 2.4%! Do you want to avoid sequestration? Do you believe the federal government is a bloated, wasteland? If the President wants to show some leadership, why not call upon all federal entities to cut 3% from their budget? In the REAL world, it’s not unprecedented. Of course, we are talking about fairlyland (DC).

Bemused Observer

February 25th, 2013
10:01 am

“Because the Republicans were stupid enough to believe Obama would actually get serious about spending cuts.”

I think “gullible” is the word. Obama is all talk. But his lies and hypocrisy are really starting to show at this point. We have a used car salesman in the Oval Office.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
10:02 am

Obama is all talk. But his lies and hypocrisy are really starting to show at this point.

The smoking gun is the mushroom cloud.

We will be greeted as liberators.

Steve

February 25th, 2013
10:03 am

I love how everyone is laying blame on the President when we have an 11% approval rating do-nothing Congress. Obama is not your “King” you keep repeating. We have balanced government. I will be blaming the tea party when my food is compromised and I have to get to the airport 4 hours before a flight.

Paul

February 25th, 2013
10:03 am

Recon

Pres Obama signed the legislation and the cuts are going thru as specified; therefore he was serious.

Bemused

You don’t have a clue what your sound bites mean, do you? LOL!!!

alex

February 25th, 2013
10:03 am

@ Paul, the sequestration cuts are non selective and a good approach to the overspending problem is SELECTIVE cutting, nobody is highly pleased with this for that reason! However, in general to begin reigning in govt. spending is good, very good. Using a “meat cleaver”, pass the paring knife…

Liberal Mess

February 25th, 2013
10:04 am

indigo

Obama proposed it.

Republicans in the House voted for it.

Dems in the Senate voted for it.

Obama signed it into law.

Logic would tell you that dems shoulder 2/3’s of the blame.

There. Fixed your typo.

TaxPayer

February 25th, 2013
10:05 am

Karl Rove says don’t change a thing, cons. That “blame Obama for the spending cuts” is working great according to his latest unskewed polling data. :lol:

Steve

February 25th, 2013
10:05 am

This is not “good” when it’s going to end up costing more money later via job loss. These are horribly planned “cuts.”

TBS: Posting on weekends so PD can cry on Monday

February 25th, 2013
10:05 am

“It is the POTUS who thinks he can make law without interference from that little pesky thing called the constitution.”

What law was that? Obamacare? Guess you missed the SC decision.

He did make some appointments that he was slapped for, but he wasn’t “making law”.

Do you just regurgitate what you hear or actually research it before posting?

stands for decibels

February 25th, 2013
10:06 am

I must add, actual left wingers (as opposed to most elected “liberals”) have been right about virtually everything, not just throughout history’s various social upheavals (you’re welcome! no, really, it was nothing…), but with regard to our last decade-or-so’s economic progress, or lack thereof.

We are right about what spending cuts will do to the economy. We are right when we criticize our own vain Senators and President Middle-Man for being complete supine crap-for-brains in thinking that there is ANY value whatsoever in trying to co-opt the conservative meme by talking up “tightening our belts” and, essentially, accelerating deficit reduction for deficit-reduction’s sake.

I guess I could be a decent human being and try to forgive these “liberal” Villagers, elected and otherwise, for thinking that all the those highly paid consultants actually know what they’re doing, but it is very hard for me to do given that their mistakes have resulted, and will continue to result, in a collective anal rape of the American public.

(To put it nicely.)

/back later, maybe, but this subject pisses me off so much I might not be able to manage basic civility.

Steve

February 25th, 2013
10:06 am

Paul

February 25th, 2013
10:06 am

Alex

I’ve made the same case. Congress could amend legislation and do selective if they wanted.

Liberal Mess

February 25th, 2013
10:06 am

Its really sad most Americans are not engaged in this ridiculous sequestration debate.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2013/02/woodward-pushes-back-wh-confusing-distorting-facts-157717.html

Recon 0311 2533

February 25th, 2013
10:07 am

0311/8541,

I saw your post quoting then Sen. Obama. He gets elected and discovers he doesn’t know how to lead the country, so his cover is to be continually campaigning. Of course it did somehow get him reelected. The question is will he be able to continue dodging his responsibilities or will the country finally catch on.

Brosephus™ - Mobile and Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
10:07 am

Paul

My favorite is that some conservatives whine about Obama shredding the Constitution, yet they whine because he won’t do Congress’s job for them.

:lol:

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 25th, 2013
10:07 am

Well, the trailer’s paid for and people will always drink lots of beer, so I’m ready for these budget cuts. I call them that because I always thought sequestration was something the Gays done to one another when we ain’t looking.

Anybody besides me and the missus watch the Oscars last night? I sure hate the politics of Hollyood but I like the stuff they turn out. We go to the movies once in a while but it’s always to the theaters that have the wide seats because . . . well, we like to be comfortable and all.

I just wonder why there ain’t more creative Republicans in the movie business. Seems like about 99% of the Hollywood people support the librul Democrats. Maybe the Republicans took a right turn toward Idaho or Wyoming on the way out there.

Bemused Observer

February 25th, 2013
10:08 am

“Deceit? Where?”

Do you believe someone like Woodward?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bob-woodward-obamas-sequester-deal-changer/2013/02/22/c0b65b5e-7ce1-11e2-9a75-dab0201670da_story.html

Do you not know that Obama last year threatened to veto a bill that would reduce the sequester cuts?

http://www.defensenews.com/article/20120912/DEFREG02/309120006/White-House-Issues-Veto-Threat-Sequestration-Bill

Is your head in the sand?

Uh Huh.......Old email throws cold water on House Republicans’ attempts to call this “Obama’s Sequester."

February 25th, 2013
10:08 am

A slide from the final page of Speaker John Boehner’s Powerpoint to House Republicans on July 31st, 2011, obtained by The Daily Beast. .

•Sets up a new sequestration process to cut spending across-the-board—and ensure that any debt limit increase is met with greater spending cuts—IF Joint Committee fails to achieve at least $1.2T in deficit reduction.

•If this happens, POTUS may request up to $1.2T for a debt limit increase, and if granted, then across-the-board spending cuts would result that would equal the difference between $1.2T and the deficit reduction enacted as a result of Joint Committee.

•Across-the-board spending cuts would apply to FYs 2013-2021, and apply to both mandatory & discretionary programs.

•Total reductions would be equally split between defense and non-defense programs. Across-the-board cuts would also apply to Medicare. Other programs, including Social Security, Medicaid, veterans, and civil & military pay, would be exempt.

•SEQUESTRATION process is designed to guarantee that Congress acts on the Joint Committee’s legislation to cut spending.

And that’s pretty much exactly what’s scheduled to start happening on March 1. Democrats could just as easily spin this as “Boehner’s Sequester” or “Cantor’s Sequester” and OFFER INDELIBLE DIGITAL EVIDENCE TO BACK UP THEIR CLAIM.

Vinny

February 25th, 2013
10:09 am

Jay — If obama elects to use this as an excuse to impose the most draconian cuts in order to hurt Americans, that’s his choice.

If he were smart, he would target waste, fraud, and inefficiency.

But your ’sort of a god’ obama is not smart. He wants to impose the most pain on America that he can for political purposes.

This is the OBAMA sequester.

Liberal Mess

February 25th, 2013
10:09 am

Steve:

1-0 I blame obama and the dems.

But I’m actually for it because its a made up fairy tale….

Recon 0311 2533

February 25th, 2013
10:09 am

Paul, do you recall him saying during I believe the final debate with Romney that sequester would not happen?

Erwin's cat

February 25th, 2013
10:09 am

lol..a meat cleaver analogy for a 2.5% cut…that’s rich!

a 4 hr wait at airport security check points?…more fear mongering or better..extortion by the TSA?

Paul

February 25th, 2013
10:09 am

Brosephus

Just another contradiction they refuse to examine.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
10:10 am

OH NOES! NOT THE BOB WOODWARD OP-ED PIECE!

I’m melting…melting…melting….

Robert

February 25th, 2013
10:10 am

Will Republican governors put pressure on the Congressional GOP to agree to new revenues?

Politico has a roundup of quotes from Republican governors, and some seem to be edging up ever so gingerly to the idea. They don’t say so in those terms, but many of them are urging all parties to come to the table to make a deal. Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell is urging lawmakers to figure out a way to avert the sequester, but as Politico notes, he no longer appears to be willing to blame only Obama for the current standoff.

St Simons - he-ne-ha

February 25th, 2013
10:10 am

oh, they’re getting sooo clever with their dog whistles –

arrogant = uppity
King Obama = a black man rules over yewww!
plantation = no explanation necessary
golf = this is fer the wwe/tractor-pull fanbase – see uppity

Checking in after the dictator gets another 4 years

February 25th, 2013
10:11 am

Will we ever get any leadership out of Obama. Leadership would be to me to get both sides of different opinions together and work out a deal.The problem appears to be that Obama, rather than be the leader of ALL America, is all wrapped up in a liberal mind set farther left, way farther, than the body of men/women elected from around the country to represent Americans. Thus, rather than lead and solve problems, He takes his ball and goes home and sulks.America has never seen a man in this office before.

Moderate Line

February 25th, 2013
10:12 am

Jay

February 25th, 2013
8:47 am
So judge for yourself who is being reasonable and is willing to compromise, and who is not.
+++
Both sides are being unreasonable.
1)We are talking about 2% of the budget.
2)A small tax increase was just passed. Do we really need to raise taxes to prevent a 2% cut?
3) It is ridicoulous to cut this in the middele of the year.
4) Obama wants it because he believes it will help him gain the Senate in 2014.
5) Republicans want it because the tea party does not care what the impacts are because they just want cuts. They don’t believe anything the government does is important.

Granny Godzilla

February 25th, 2013
10:12 am

Bemused Observer

February 25th, 2013
10:08 am

Woodward messed up …

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2013/02/23/how_bob_woodward_s_book_debunks_his_big_washington_post_op_ed.html

The other is certainly true…now how is that deceit?

TaxPayer

February 25th, 2013
10:15 am

Swedish meatballs are made with horse meat! So that’s why I never could duplicate them.

Liberal Mess

February 25th, 2013
10:15 am

I looked at the state by state White House list of cuts and there were only 51 states listed. I thought obama told us there were 57?

Paul

February 25th, 2013
10:16 am

Recon

Sure. Even Republican congressmen were saying they wouldn’t be dumb enough to let it get to that.

Bemused

Many here say ‘of course the White House” originated the idea. What we laugh about is that all the pres did was SUGGEST and Republicans said ” Oh my! The pres suggested something! Hurry! Make it a law!! He suggests, we act!!!”

Pres said it would happen when Republicans wanted to renege.

kayaker 71

February 25th, 2013
10:16 am

Liberal plan….. moan and groan because those evil Republicans won’t give in, gather a number of first responders around you and tell a TV audience that their services will be drastically reduced, get the media on board so that you can look presidential with every statement, flip flop on the support for these budget cuts, then when the pain ratchets up, blame those evil Republicans for something that was your fault in the first place. Bozo wins again.

Liberal Mess

February 25th, 2013
10:17 am

The federal gubmint spends $3.1 billion a day. And they can’t cut $85 billion? Shameless…

Doggone/GA

February 25th, 2013
10:17 am

“What deceit?”

Beat me to it!

Recon 0311 2533

February 25th, 2013
10:17 am

Granny, we already know where you get your information and to think Woodward was once the darling of the far-left.

Uh Huh.......Old email throws cold water on House Republicans’ attempts to call this “Obama’s Sequester."

February 25th, 2013
10:18 am

@Redneck Convert (R–and proud of it)

February 25th, 2013
10:07 am
I just wonder why there ain’t more creative Republicans in the movie business. Seems like about 99% of the Hollywood people support the librul Democrats. Maybe the Republicans took a right turn toward Idaho or Wyoming on the way out there.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

CREATIVE REPUBLICANS?

heeheeheeheeheeheehee

“Creativity takes courage. ”

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
10:19 am

Steve

February 25th, 2013
10:06 am

How many folks actually know or care what the sequester is? I recall a number like 27% or so. Also rasmussen reports 64% of folks think too many are too dependent on government.

Anyhow, we should make Obama decide what to cut. The problem of focus is that these cuts are indiscriminate.

Barack Obama wants to blame Republicans for the looming across-the-board spending cuts that will take effect this week. Well, here is a simple sequester solution for the GOP: Let Obama decide how to make the cuts.

“The problem with the sequester is not the amount of cuts it requires. Cuts of $85 billion this year is about 2 percent of our $3.5 trillion federal budget, or about nine days of federal spending. Even after the sequester, we will still spend about $15 billion more this year than we did in last year. The sequester does not actually “cut” spending — it simply slows its growth.”

Great Wash Post column I doubt most of you will read…it doesn’t tell you what you want to hear..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/marc-thiessen-make-obama-decide-which-sequester-cuts/2013/02/25/26169d22-7ee2-11e2-a350-49866afab584_story.html?hpid=z3

Welcome to the Occupation

February 25th, 2013
10:20 am

Hey Jay I think your forum here attracts a particular sort of right wing participant. I have never heard a single one of them ever concede something. It’s kind of interesting, really. What does that say about them? They NEVER offer the slightest concession. EVER. For example, starting an argument with a gracious “you’re right about X, but here’s where you’re wrong….”. Do you notice that they NEVER do that?

Perhaps so-called ‘conservative’ ideology is a manifestly inferior way to be?

Or maybe these people are just uncultured rubes. Dunno.

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
10:20 am

Liberal Mess

February 25th, 2013
10:17 am

Nine days of financing our government.

Granny Godzilla

February 25th, 2013
10:21 am

Recon 0311 2533

February 25th, 2013
10:17 am

Granny, we already know where you get your information and to think Woodward was once the darling of the far-left.
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WHen you can disprove the source you just let us know?

Kthxbye.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 25th, 2013
10:21 am

Granny, we already know where you get your information …

Granny, I gotta go with Del on that one. You need to sole source your news to one of the following: Fox Unskewed, Brietbart Completely Unscrewed or Drudge. Then you can have “informed opinions” telling us how the real polls show Obama losing. ;)

Recon 0311 2533

February 25th, 2013
10:21 am

Paul,

I think before Friday they’ll come up with a way to kick this can further down the road , although I don’t think there’s that much road left.

TBS: Posting on weekends so PD can cry on Monday

February 25th, 2013
10:21 am

“Great Wash Post column I doubt most of you will read…it doesn’t tell you what you want to hear..”

Sort of like the dreaded NY Times you love to cry about

just saying

;-)

Brosephus™ - Mobile and Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
10:22 am

EC

You should spend a day with TSA officers to see how warm and kind the public treats them. Then consider how much kinder and warmer the instant gratification -public will treat them

Granny Godzilla

February 25th, 2013
10:22 am

Keeps

I did earlier for that “commonsense” person but alas to no avail.

Steve

February 25th, 2013
10:22 am

Again, if we have a Congress that is going to be opposed to everything Obama does, nothing is going to get accomplished. I don’t care if Obama was Jesus Christ himself – this Congress has gots ta go.

Uh Huh.......Old email throws cold water on House Republicans’ attempts to call this “Obama’s Sequester."

February 25th, 2013
10:22 am

@Liberal Mess

February 25th, 2013
10:15 am
I thought obama told us there were 57?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Is that the best YOU GOT?

‘WE” thought BUSH told us there were WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION.

At least OBAMA did not CREATE a war on A MADE UP LIE.

Steve

February 25th, 2013
10:23 am

Outside of the lunatic fringe in this forum, Americans (who have half a brain) are going to blame Congress for this.

Recon 0311 2533

February 25th, 2013
10:23 am

Granny, as Woodward has said, sequestration was Obama’s creation. Nothing to disprove.

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
10:25 am

Welcome to the Occupation

February 25th, 2013
10:20 am

What concession are you looking for? Or better yet, what do you feel that should be conceded by the crooks on the right?

Is it the idea that we can’t afford to cut 2 cents for every dollar we spend…..80 cents borrowed of course.

These cuts can easily be absorbed just focusing on the fat….BO is playing hysterics as a political game of chicken..

Welcome to the Occupation

February 25th, 2013
10:25 am

Checking in after the dictator gets another 4 years: “The problem appears to be that Obama, rather than be the leader of ALL America, is all wrapped up in a liberal mind set farther left”

If you think that Barack Obama, who is essentially center-right-leaning, is “far left” in any way, shape or form, then you show only your own idiocy.

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

February 25th, 2013
10:26 am

Americans (who have half a brain) are going to blame Congress for this.

Americans with a full brain, will blame President “I won” for this.

Steve

February 25th, 2013
10:26 am

The Editorial Board of The New York Times states in Defense and the Sequester:

After 9/11, the Pentagon was handed a virtual blank check and its base budget soared from $397 billion in 2001 to $557 billion in 2013. Spending is expected to decline in real terms this year, but after that it will rise slightly, even if the sequester takes effect, experts say. By some calculations, President Obama will still spend more on defense than most postwar presidents. The Pentagon needs to focus on shaping the force for new threats. Now that the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are ending, it also needs to make reforms and rein in spending.

Bemused Observer

February 25th, 2013
10:26 am

“Many here say ‘of course the White House” originated the idea.”

Really? Is that what you were saying the day after Obama publicly said the sequestration was NOT his idea but Congress’? Or is that what you say now, to deflect criticism and maintain your blind devotion to a politician?

“What we laugh about is that all the pres did was SUGGEST and Republicans said ” Oh my! The pres suggested something! Hurry! Make it a law!! He suggests, we act!!!”

ROFL. All by their lonesome? Did they hypnotize Reid and the Democratic Senate? Did Obama choose not to veto his “suggestion”?

Reload. You are out of bullets.

TBS: Posting on weekends so PD can cry on Monday

February 25th, 2013
10:26 am

Stevie

Article wasn’t bad. It certainly was liked by you because it meets your narrative, however it was alright if a bit simplistic.

indigo

February 25th, 2013
10:27 am

tevie ray – 9:52

Are you saying my hero conned your idols?

Steve

February 25th, 2013
10:27 am

Those same Americans with a “full brain” who declared loudly on these forums that Romney was going to sink Obama in the election?

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
10:27 am

TBS: Posting on weekends so PD can cry on Monday

February 25th, 2013
10:21 am

Fair except I do read many of the opinion columns in NYT…excepting the ones that have no independent thought and simply regurgitate WH talking points…I should tell you that I did go back an find some right sided arguments..of course I disagreed with many of them too:-)

Erwin's cat

February 25th, 2013
10:27 am

Bro – I must be one of the few polite ones to the TSAer’s. I know, I certainly don’t wanna tick them off…could make for a long day…but a 4hr wait to get thru security won’t happen more than once if ever…If it gets in the way of commerce it’ll get fixed in a hurry

St Simons - he-ne-ha

February 25th, 2013
10:30 am

Dangerous Beach Game – Exposed

me & mrsstsimons sat down on YOUR favorite golden isles beach
yestiddy, and decided we weren’t leaving until we spotted JUST ONE
local Teapublican that wasn’t on some gubmint program assistance.

This proved to be too dangerous, for we are both burnt to a crisp
and dehydrated from exposure. She’s at the hospital
(because she works there)
but it sounded dramatic didn’t it?

Bemused Observer

February 25th, 2013
10:30 am

“Woodward messed up …”

Or perhaps you did by appealing to a silly Slate editorial. Obama stated publicly that sequestration was NOT his idea, but Congress’. THAT was a lie.

TBS: Posting on weekends so PD can cry on Monday

February 25th, 2013
10:30 am

Stevie

Not too hard to find right leaning arguments when they employ right leaning Op Ed writers, just like most major papers. And of course they all have the left leaning arguments as well.

I just mess with you because you seem to get worked up about the NY Times. I don’t even read it that often to be honest.

stands for decibels

February 25th, 2013
10:31 am

Next to that Slate piece Granny linked @ 10.12, about what a WATB Woodward is being these days, is a link to an article entitled “What are the chances humans could go extinct?”

In light of what I’m reading…I guess I don’t see why anyone should especially care about the answer to that question.

Let the friggin’ cockroaches become the planet’s caretakers, if Bob Woodward is the best we manage to do as a species, I say.

(here’s a follow-up to provide even more ammo to those of us rational folks who know a WATB Villager when we see a WATB Villager. last graf quoted below.)

Again: Everyone in Washington is trying to change the terms of the agreement. That’s why the agreement was designed to be such a rough beast. It’s true, the Budget Control Act specifies that a “joint committee” has to come up with cuts, but it also says that in a failure to do so “the discretionary spending limits listed in section 251(c) shall be revised, and discretionary appropriations and direct spending shall be reduced.” But in 2012, Republicans passed a “sequester replacement” bill that altered the spending limits, turning all the cuts to defense spending into cuts to non-defense discretionary spending. Right now Senate Democrats have a sequestration fix that would replace the cuts with a combination of cuts and tax increases. You could say that both parties are “shifting the goalposts,” but that would be strange. You could accuse the White House, alone, of shifting the goalposts, but that would be even stranger, because they’ve been talking about a fix that would raise revenues since before sequestration even passed.

Welcome to the Occupation

February 25th, 2013
10:33 am

Stevie Ray: “What concession are you looking for? Or better yet, what do you feel that should be conceded by the crooks on the right?”

Paradoxically, I kind of would “look for” them to be ruthless in a minimally sane way, such as for example to actually call Barack Obama’s bluff and let him do what he obviously desperately wants to do and start cutting into Social Security, thereby cutting his own throat. This could have happened during the previous showdown, for example.

The bizarre thing here is that the GOP is actually giving Obama a huge pass, not realizing what a huge trap has been set for Obama, which he’s shown again and again that he’s perfectly willing to walk into for just the minutest token concessions from the opposition (minimal revenue).

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
10:33 am

INDIGO

Really? Can anyone possibly bestow hero status to the likes of that pink man Boner, Limbaugh, or any number of the GOP who make decisions based on mystical/imaginary friends?

I have a few heros. My favortie political hero for many years is named Bullworth. He crystalizes my views on all things politic.

I don’t see anyone getting schooled….it doesn’t matter who’s fault or who wins..it matters that by any measure, we are fiscally devastated and its getting worse. We are creating warfare over 2% of a swelling budget number that will only sifle costs and not cut. While our politicians mire in the twigs, a look at 60k feet suggests a very depressing overview.

Paul

February 25th, 2013
10:33 am

Recon

I think the cuts will go through. We may see a better discussion on where to make future cuts. I’d imagine many will rethink the idea of concentrating on low and middle class and exempting Defense.

Granny Godzilla

February 25th, 2013
10:33 am

Recon 0311 2533

February 25th, 2013
10:23 am

Granny, as Woodward has said, sequestration was Obama’s creation. Nothing to disprove.
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So you missed Woodwards error in the OP Ed too?

Bemused Observer

February 25th, 2013
10:33 am

“OH NOES! NOT THE BOB WOODWARD OP-ED PIECE! I’m melting…melting…melting….”

Wow. The word “melting” is now slang for “deflecting”? You da man, cuz.

Liberal Mess

February 25th, 2013
10:34 am

Steve

Again, if we have a Congress that is going to be opposed to everything Obama does, nothing is going to get accomplished. I don’t care if Obama was Jesus Christ himself – this Congress has gots ta go.

Sequestration was bipartisan. obama proposed it and the House(Republican) and Senate(dem) passed it.

ITS STILL ALL BUSH'S FAULT

February 25th, 2013
10:34 am

CONS, your attempts to destabilize your own government is very childish and unfortunate, you are cementing your place in history . # 1 LOSERS…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
10:35 am

Wow. The word “melting” is now slang for “deflecting”?

Person with multiple sock-puppets on this thread says, “What?”

Liberal Mess

February 25th, 2013
10:35 am

Steve

Those same Americans with a “full brain” who declared loudly on these forums that Romney was going to sink Obama in the election?

I will admit admit I totally misjudged just how stupid the American people are.

Bemused Observer

February 25th, 2013
10:36 am

“Let the friggin’ cockroaches become the planet’s caretakers, if Bob Woodward is the best we manage to do as a species, I say.”

ROFL. Must be hitting a nerve. My guess is that liberals like you were not singing that tune back in the 70s. Liberals cannot suffer the truth if it does not comport with their worldview or beliefs.

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
10:36 am

Welcome to the Occupation

February 25th, 2013
10:33 am

I couldn’t agree more. Too bad it’s simply a political game. How else can we look at the furor over even slowing spending by 2 cents on the dollar?

GOP’s only real sane response is to call his bluff. Be great theatre…

ODDS REMAIN:

Kick the Can: 25:1
Sequester: 2:5

F. Sinkwich

February 25th, 2013
10:36 am

“Americans (who have half a brain) are going to blame Congress for this.”

The mushroom gun is a smoking cloud. **

** KammieSpam. All rights reserved.

Jefferson

February 25th, 2013
10:36 am

If the GOP got the gov’t they were willing to pay for and the D’s got the gov’t they would would be willing to pay the GOP would wonder why they have to drive on bad roads, wait for gov’t services, have to pay privates schools to teach their kids, drink bottled water, breath bad air… what would that do to their party of “NO”, “STUPID”, and “GREEDY”.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
10:37 am

I will admit admit I totally misjudged just how stupid the American people are.

With the Oscar in that category going to the ones that continually asserted that “even Elmer Fudd could defeat Obama.”

Redcoat

February 25th, 2013
10:37 am

Didn’t Obama sign the bill?……I think he wants this “manufactured crisis”……but we all know who will be out front taking credit when the economy, on it’s own, starts picking up…..this is getting old from all these politicians…..

Bemused Observer

February 25th, 2013
10:37 am

“Person with multiple sock-puppets on this thread says, “What? [sic]”

Person with 800 word vocabulary says “What”?

RB from Gwinnett

February 25th, 2013
10:38 am

Jay, “Obama proposes two dollars in cuts for every dollar in revenue.”

Didn’t Obama already get the tax increase on the rich he was asking for? Going back to the Clinton era rates for the rich.

Is he now asking for more tax increases, Jay, and if so, what’s the plan for the increase and on whom?

too little time

February 25th, 2013
10:38 am

Its all hyperbole. Any government entity that cant find a couple % of fat in their budgets just isn’t looking hard enough.

Obama is the originator of these cuts. Let them happen. Whatever the fallout, its on him… unless he can offer a package of alternate cuts that will pass the Congress. He got his debt limit increase. He got his tax rate increase. Now he will get his sequester.

Rightwing Troll

February 25th, 2013
10:38 am

It’s hysteria to point out the effects of the cuts… but sound thinking to assert that people need AR’s to fend off tornados and hurricanes?

Who REALLY needs a swooning couch here?

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
10:39 am

Liberal Mess

February 25th, 2013
10:35 am

I think many are simply smarter than us and simply don’t care or want to know all this frivilous picking of nits. IMO its not the intellecual capabilities of the electorate as much as it is the way all DC politicos treat us like a bunch of stooges..

Bemused Observer

February 25th, 2013
10:39 am

“** KammieSpam. All rights reserved.”

ROFL. If only he could find some customers beyond the flock of parrots on this blog.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
10:40 am

Cry baby has a new sock-puppet.

Which one will you choose under the new format?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
10:41 am

WELCOME

The odds were reversed sorry:

Kick the Can is 2:5
Sequester is 25:1

Doggone/GA

February 25th, 2013
10:41 am

“Didn’t Obama sign the bill?……”

Yes, he did…and for the same reason ALL Presidents have signed bills that contained something they didn’t like. Because it also contained something they WANTED more than they didn’t want what they didn’t like. The bill he signed was more than JUST the sequester.

Rightwing Troll

February 25th, 2013
10:42 am

I’m with too BTW. .. 85 bil is a small % of the budget. If people really wanted too, this amount could easily be cut without killing granny or making vets live in cardboard boxes… easily…

Paul

February 25th, 2013
10:42 am

Bemused

Technically Obama was correct. Idea was from staffers. But so what? More republicans supported it than did democrats. Rest of your post deflects from that.

Bemused, why won’t you thank the pres for the sequester and forcing cuts in spending?

Paul

February 25th, 2013
10:43 am

Bemused

Don’t you want to cut government spending?

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
10:44 am

F. Sinkwich

February 25th, 2013
10:36 am

I keep hearing this chat of the people will blame the GOP if the sequester happens AND all the cheap hyperbole comes true…

If that is the case, why don’t more liberals want us to go over cliff?

Bemused Observer

February 25th, 2013
10:44 am

“Inquiring minds want to know.”

ROFL. I guess that excludes you, genius. But please, grace us with more of your trademarked idiotic KamSpam.

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
10:45 am

Paul

February 25th, 2013
10:42 am

It was too good a deal for the GOP to refuse. What was the downside for them? I think they got over WH on that deal.

Class of '98

February 25th, 2013
10:45 am

Soothsayer at 9:10 said the only thing that needs to be said.

If we can’t find a way to slash $85 billion (it may sound like a lot, but it isn’t) from our incredibly bloated budget, the cause is hopeless, the republic will collapse, and we’ll need to start over anyway.

Btw, Jay is a parrot who likes the “meat cleaver, not a scalpel” line.

Well, if you are trying to cut the fat off a steer, if you use a scalpel by the time you’re done trimming the fat, all the beef will have rotted.

Forget the meat cleaver, I want them to use a chainsaw.

alex

February 25th, 2013
10:48 am

@ Erwin, meat cleaver in regard to the non-specificity of the cuts, not as to their size..Personally, their “size” is small, their impact on the military, in certain regions of the country (Hampton Roads) is enormous. Fortunately, this country is not ALWAYS legislated by polling data (?) @ Jefferson, are you talking about Atlanta already (roads, water prices, public schools) ?

stands for decibels

February 25th, 2013
10:48 am

Must be hitting a nerve.

that’s what nym-shifting sh-theads say when they’re cornered.

You want deflection? I’ll go there. Are you such a pansy that you’ll run away when the new blog software makes you re-register with a new ID? I think you are, and you will.

Rightwing Troll

February 25th, 2013
10:50 am

Because liberals aren’t willing to burn down their own house to get back at the GOP… they’re doing a fine job of destrying themselves.

Steve

February 25th, 2013
10:50 am

As much as you partisan hacks like to think otherwise, you are wrong – the GOP led House is going to get skewered for this. Look for more Dem gains in 2014.

Thomas HeywardJr

February 25th, 2013
10:51 am

From a great American————–

“Whenever any form of government proposes to decrease their expenses by less than one cent per dollar after 40 years of increased budgets………….and a sundrey of talking heads, politicians, pampleteers, journalist, and other moocher riff-raf…………..gnash their teeth and tear at the head and compare it to suicide by cop…….and verily………even invoke the ancient Greek Statesman DRACO to describe the penny……………….then ye shall certainly know………….as sure as the politician lies, the cold wind blows, and the TSA perve gropes………………………that ye’re society is surely doomed.”
.
Thomas Petty.

curious

February 25th, 2013
10:51 am

Obviously Obama miscalculated.

He never thought the Republicans would be this dumb. Wait until the Defense contracting community starts feeling the pain and that’s really the only part of Sequestration they’re upset about.

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
10:52 am

Heres a good argument that our current debt, inclusive of off-balance sheet obligations is $31 trillion. Author does good job with caveats but as he concludes, these are not normal times…

Imagine if GOV acccounting is 10% off? We already know the DoD can’t be audited…I think, with the use of calculators, our GOV can count to a trillion. Accounting for a few trillion is another matter in its entirety.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/robert-samuelson-the-true-national-debt/2013/02/24/1a133c78-7eac-11e2-a350-49866afab584_story_1.html

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
10:52 am

Are you such a pansy that you’ll run away when the new blog software makes you re-register with a new ID?

It has always been thus with towncrier. He has more sock-puppets than Shari Lewis.

RB from Gwinnett

February 25th, 2013
10:52 am

I see the liberals in Washington state have been willing to cross the line in the sand and actually propose a gun control bill that includes yearly home inspections for anybody who owns one of those scary “assault” weapons. The bill didn’t go very far, but it’s one of the first examples we see of liberals actually doing what their intent is, but have been unwilling to do for PR reasons.

How about the rest of you liberals. Any of you want to decry Washington state’s effort?

JamVet

February 25th, 2013
10:53 am

willie, another reason that you’re so angry?

Losing.

Being losers tends to crank up the cranky factor and you boys are on one helluva losing streak. No wonder you are SO cranky!

(But please, just keep losing…)

GT

February 25th, 2013
10:53 am

I see the smirk on Eric Cantor’s face as the train comes down the track. The protestor who laid his body under the bus and got run over. Hate it when that happens…

pete

February 25th, 2013
10:53 am

Still waiting on the outrage from the left and Bookman on this. I remember when it was $1.80, and the looney left, including Jay, wanted Bush impeached.

My oh my…how the times have changed. Or…is it still Bush’s fault?

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/gas-prices-set-record-high-for-month/nWYrL/

gadem also known as Benghazi

February 25th, 2013
10:53 am

Did someone say Benghazi?

Bemused Observer

February 25th, 2013
10:54 am

“Bemused, why won’t you thank the pres for the sequester and forcing cuts in spending?”

Yikes…using one of his ploys, the apostle is trying to force me into a cardboard logical box – trying to play “gotcha ball”.

I will thank Obama to stop lying. And I will stop thinking him a liar the day I see written proposals from him on how to deal with the impending entitlement spending tsunami with which we are about to get hit. Almost everyone with any economic sense is saying this is something that MUST be dealt with. And, after four years, I have yet to see in writing his plan for solving this crisis. Obama has said MANY things in the past that he has not followed. He is a liar.

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
10:54 am

curious

February 25th, 2013
10:51 am

I say cut DoD 20% over time. Some eggs need to get broken…clearly we don’t need but a fraction of what we spend to protect our shores.

jconservative

February 25th, 2013
10:55 am

I think I understand this sequester thing.

1. It was Obama’s idea, so he should be happy.
2. Boehner said he got 98% of what he wanted, so he should be happy.

So why is everyone acting like they are unhappy?

Bemused Observer

February 25th, 2013
10:56 am

“It has always been thus with towncrier. He has more sock-puppets than Shari Lewis.”

ROFL. But you have more spam than a “doomsday prepper”. You have me there.

bookman parrot

February 25th, 2013
10:56 am

different subject… but hypocrite Jay, you would be screaming if gas was approximately $4.00 and Bush was in office… so break out of your hypocritical ways and get after BHO. I know you won’t, cause he da messiah

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 25th, 2013
10:56 am

Two Step Approach to Hold President Obama Accountable, Boehner Power Point, July 31 2011: Sets up a new sequestration process to cut spending across-the-board—and ensure that any debt limit increase is met with greater spending cuts—IF Joint Committee fails to achieve at least $1.2T in deficit reduction.

But hey, under rightwing logic, Romneycare was Obama’s idea too! :D

That Black Guy

February 25th, 2013
10:57 am

Steve

February 25th, 2013
10:06 am
49-31, Americans will blame Republicans for the sequester
______________________________________
Are you saying that those who *DON’T* blame repubs, *AREN’T* Americans?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
10:57 am

You have me there.

I would not have you in a box, I would not have you with a fox.

stands for decibels

February 25th, 2013
10:58 am

I remember when it was $1.80, and the looney left, including Jay, wanted Bush impeached.

Cite, please.

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

February 25th, 2013
11:00 am

STANDS,
You asked, “Are you such a pansy that you’ll run away when the new blog software makes you re-register with a new ID?”

In my case, the answer might be yes. I haven’t looked at what’s required, but if it means having to pick another blog name is required and you are not allowed to post “add-on’[s”, then there is no point for me. Too many people here have the same views I have and I rarely, if even, come up with some original thought, so my ploy was always light humor with my lol cats and such. There is too much division here between the right and left and it mostly depresses me to think that this blog may be the finger print of the rest of the country.
No, if the above restrictions are true, then I’m out.

JamVet

February 25th, 2013
11:00 am

BTW, who got their peepee whacked downstairs by Big Daddy?

(Lemme guess, his name starts with and F and ends with a d.)

Jefferson

February 25th, 2013
11:01 am

If gas is too high for you, buy less.

Paul

February 25th, 2013
11:01 am

Bemused. 1054

Deflect much?

Why won’t you thank Obama for the sequester and cutting spending?

Latrina

February 25th, 2013
11:01 am

Jay this Sequestration thing sounds apocalyptic, right up there with the Rapture. Do you suggest we stock up on bread and milk, buy guns ‘n ammo, that kind of thing? I just cannot get my head around the possibility of losing all those Federal programs. I mean…oil & gas permitting! OMG!

GT

February 25th, 2013
11:02 am

Pete let nationalize domestic oil! Take it out of the world market. The only one complaining would be Texas. Might change the politics in Texas a little, no money to the Republican Party less nuts in the Republican Party from Texas, sounds like a plan.

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
11:02 am

EC @ 10:27

Thanks for treating them as people then. Not many do. I don’t know if a 4 hour wait will happen, but I’d say that early Monday morning might be a good time for it to happen in Atlanta. I can remember seeing the security line stretch from the check point, through the atrium, down to the MARTA station, snake through Delta’s baggage claim, go out the door, down the sidewalk and back around the taxi area. We used to have to drop time stamped cards to gauge the wait times. Days, like that, it was hard to find the end of the line.

I’m hoping we don’t see bad things happen because of this, but I don’t see any good. Taking dollars out of a consumption based economy is not good, and that’s all these cuts are doing.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
11:03 am

Corbin

If no one has taken your current name already, it’s yours. As for add-ons, I think there is a limit to the # of letters, so you’ll have to be succinct.

Adam

February 25th, 2013
11:03 am

As usual, the attack on Obama for this one involves a cognitive dissonance.

I have seen people defend the need for exactly these cuts, and then turn around and “blame” Obama for the cuts – giving Obama FULL CREDIT FOR CUTS.

Then I have seen people, after I point this out, say they aren’t real cuts.

THEN I have seen, after I point out that even RedState.com calls them “real cuts,” someone actually argue that first Obama insisted on tax increases, got them, and now he wants to not do cuts, even though the cuts were “his idea” and “going to happen.” Add in the false notion that cuts never happen and revenues always do.

It’s a special display in political ideology.

For my part, I do know this was Obama’s idea, and I do know it’s going to hurt a lot of programs. But I also know that Republicans signed on, and yet are giving Obama full credit for the results, which in the end I believe will NOT be a second recession, will instead be a slower growth (but growth still), and then when Obama claims credit for reducing the deficit I fully expect the conservatives to come on every available blog and FB post and say the sequestration was all THEIR idea in the first place (probably also citing the President’s words where he tried to pass the idea off on Congress, and/or any number of people they call “liberal” claiming it isn’t all Obama’s, as a way to back up their point that it WASN’T Obama’s idea). Just watch.

Mr. Sock Puppet #1

February 25th, 2013
11:04 am

It has always been thus with towncrier. He has more sock-puppets than Shari Lewis.

Talk like that will get you taken care of like me and my tag team partner took care of the Four Puppetmen.

Thomas HeywardJr

February 25th, 2013
11:04 am

I read somewhere where the U.S. Department of Commerce Human Resources Operations Center (DOCHROC), located at the Herbert C. Hoover Building (HCHB).,.,Southeast Zone,…………. North-east Georgia Sector,……….. Buford Dam division will have to be CUT BACK to a skeleton crew……………………………………….ONLY 734 personnel.
.
This will threaton the purity and relationship to and of our Electricity.

pete

February 25th, 2013
11:04 am

OK ’sfd’…I will…again.

I remember when it was $1.80, and the looney left, including Jay, wanted Bush impeached.

Happy now?

Mr. Sock Puppet #2

February 25th, 2013
11:05 am

Yeah Kamchak, what cha gonna do when puppetmania runs wild on you!!!!

My bad, wrong catchphrase. :oops:

JamVet

February 25th, 2013
11:06 am

No, if the above restrictions are true, then I’m out.

I too will very likely join in the Montgomery Bus Boycott!

As the Dude from The Big Lebowski said, ” I do mind, the Dude minds. This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man.”

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
11:06 am

Talk like that will get you taken care of like me and my tag team partner took care of the Four Puppetmen.

Anyone have a gibberish to English dictionary?

curious

February 25th, 2013
11:07 am

bookman parrot
“different subject… but hypocrite Jay, you would be screaming if gas was approximately $4.00 and Bush was in office… so break out of your hypocritical ways and get after BHO. I know you won’t, cause he da messiah”

I seem to remember paying > $4/gallon in Georgia while Bush was in office.

stands for decibels

February 25th, 2013
11:07 am

Corbin @ 11.00, you can still post links to funny stuff, but it looks like people will have to copy/paste them into a browser’s address bar to see them, rather than having them clickable. I agree this is a bit silly, and I know that some of the folks who will bow out won’t be “pansies” but simply folks who don’t think it’s worth the hassle.

There is too much division here between the right and left and it mostly depresses me to think that this blog may be the finger print of the rest of the country.

dunno, but I suspect that this blog is representative of nothing more than the population of individuals who like to read Jay Bookman and comment on what he’s said, more or less. The left and right of this country aren’t nearly–I don’t think–as angry/unforgiving/nasty, collectively, as the regulars here. I suspect. That’s based on yet another small sample size, People I Know.

Paul

February 25th, 2013
11:07 am

Adam

Welcome to the club. It’s been going on all morning.

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
11:07 am

Corbin

You can’t leave a brother hanging… Go ahead and secure your name before one of the @$$hats do it for their continued mastery of the puppetry arts.

:lol:

Bemused Observer

February 25th, 2013
11:08 am

“You want deflection? I’ll go there. Are you such a pansy that you’ll run away when the new blog software makes you re-register with a new ID? I think you are, and you will.”

Not at all. I mostly use “personae” for satirical purposes. It is just so much more fun and effective to counter the unceasing idiocy of someone like our resident kamspammer using a moniker like “Upchuck” (because all this person seems to do is regurgitate the same mindless sayings). Or to respond to a silly reiteration of a liberal “talking point” with a “character” like “Liberal Lemming”, fully “agreeing” with the point and embellishing it with exaggerated and flawed liberal reasoning. Most people on this blog simply don’t either desire or have the ability to debate issues. I really don’t know if such a thing is possible here, given the toxic environment. All anyone really does here is “ding” one another. Jay sets the tone for it all by often saying inflammatory things or by simply refusing to criticize Democrats much at all or (conversely) credit Republicans.

RB from Gwinnett

February 25th, 2013
11:08 am

All this “doomsday scenario” garbage from the left wing media is complete BS. Here’s some perspective for you mental midgets that might make some sense to even the dimmest bulbs.

We all took a 2% cut in pay when our tax burden returned to it’s level of 2 years ago back in January, just as the federal government is required to do under this plan. For most of us, our mortgage/rent is the largest budget item in our homes and is one we cannot touch. Equate that to social security and medicare in the federal example.

What’s left? Can’t short the power bill, gas bill, water bill, garbage service, cable bill, phone bill, internet service, so lump those items in with SS/Medicare.

With those items being probably 90+% of most people’s budget, that 2% reduction in pay has to come from that 10% left over, or a 20% cut in every American’s “discretionary” spending. Yet, how many of them do you see playing this silly BS game like Bookman and the loony left?

And all the while, everybody’s healthcare went up a few percentage points and gas us going through the roof. If every working American has been able to figure this out, so can the dam government. Quit whining and trying to scare people, man up, and do the dam job.

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
11:09 am

Anyone have a gibberish to English dictionary?

Yeah, that was me poking fun at the puppets. :)

UNCLE SAMANTHA

February 25th, 2013
11:10 am

OH THOSE WACKY HOLLYWWOD LIBERALS
=================================

THEY ACUTALLY BELIEVED THEY (HOLLYWOOD) RESCUED THE 6 AMERICANS FROM IRAN SO THEY REWARD THE MOVIE ARGO WITH THE OSCAR TO ACKNOWLEDGE THEIR GREATNESS……..

YET ZERO DARK THIRTY ONLY ‘IMPLIES’ THAT WATERBOARDING WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN OBTAINING INFORMATION TO HUNT DOWN BIN LADEN SO THEY BLACKLIST IT

FUNNY

GT

February 25th, 2013
11:10 am

Went to Little Rock last week, my ride parked right in front of the airport like the old days except they had parking meters. Saw him right out the window from the baggage pickup, like a bus station. The only way they slow down Little Rock is shut the airport down.

TaxPayer

February 25th, 2013
11:11 am

sequestration was Obama’s creation.

Run with that, cons. I think you guys can milk that one for a good four years. Or more. :lol:

bman.

February 25th, 2013
11:11 am

What’s wrong with you people? This deal will get done Thursday 11:59PM

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
11:12 am

what cha gonna do when puppetmania runs wild on you!!!!

Is this bit of zeitgeist supposed to have some kind of meaning to me?

Steve

February 25th, 2013
11:12 am

Obama (Coco’s daddy) owns it.

JamVet

February 25th, 2013
11:13 am

parrot, you show ‘em! Go buy a gas guzzler!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke5Mr5eCF2U

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
11:14 am

SoCo/Bro

OK.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 25th, 2013
11:14 am

Sequestration at passage:

98% Boehner
2% Obama

Sequestration now:
100% Obama. Now with no trans fat and all natural.

Carnival GOP Cruises:
50% less poop on deck

Erwin's cat

February 25th, 2013
11:14 am

Is this bit of zeitgeist supposed to have some kind of meaning to me?

Oh Yeah!…

TaxPayer

February 25th, 2013
11:14 am

Ohhhh! So the cons posting here actually got hit by the termination of that temporary payroll tax cut! So that’s why they’re so bitter. They should push their leaders to ask for a new payroll tax cut. I’m sure they’d go along with it.

Bemused Observer

February 25th, 2013
11:14 am

“Why won’t you thank Obama for the sequester and cutting spending?”

There is not much to be thankful for since it is a band-aid and solves next to nothing. I am glad for some cuts and would certainly thank Obama a little if he would now agree to allow discretionary cuts in the sequester (something I haven’t seen he’d agree with).

Now, please show me Obama’s plan in writing for dealing with the impending entitlement spending crisis – you know, the real “elephant in the living room”.

TBS: Posting on weekends so PD can cry on Monday

February 25th, 2013
11:15 am

Observer (TC)

Jay is a left leaning Op Ed writer. The AJC also employs a right leaning Op Ed writer. His name his Kyle Wingfield and his “opinions” lean to the right. Do you cry to him that his articles are too right leaning?

TiredOfIt

February 25th, 2013
11:15 am

williebkind
February 25th, 2013
9:37 am

“They have always been generally PO’d. Very angry, self-righteous and self-absorbed, completely intolerant and uncompromising, without compassion and mean-spirited. Much of the animus in the name of Jesus”

Once again the loquatious JAMVET devotes his efforts spewing more garbage and he should just stop and start to excogitate.
++
Actually he pretty much nailed the description of cons. Trying listening to 5 minutes (if you can) of your talk gods , it’s pretty obvious.

Steve

February 25th, 2013
11:16 am

Jimmy62

February 25th, 2013
11:18 am

All those cuts look reasonable. We spend too much money. We can’t correct that by refusing to cut anything that might actually affect something. But I think we’ll find the actual results of this will be minimal.

Patrick Edmondson

February 25th, 2013
11:19 am

GOP shadow government refuses to bend to the reality they are NOT the majority any longer. I’m sure these measures have little effect on the 1% crowd running the GOP.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 25th, 2013
11:20 am

Steve, your sheets are ready for pick up

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
11:20 am

bookman parrot

February 25th, 2013
10:56 am

So what’s good for the goose is good for the gander?

Neither of these dopes had or have much if any influence over gas prices…I suggest you bark up the tree of futures traders….

Anyhow, maybe we should all be original and not compare the two for a day or so…those posts are too predictable and require very little imagination…no offense meant Parrot…

Jefferson

February 25th, 2013
11:21 am

The GOP don’t understand their weak position these days and its pissing them off.

JamVet

February 25th, 2013
11:21 am

BOSTON — The Republican Party seems as divided and angry as ever.

Infighting has penetrated the highest levels of the House GOP leadership. Long-standing geographic tensions have increased, pitting endangered Northeastern Republicans against their colleagues from other parts of the country. Enraged tea party leaders are threatening to knock off dozens of Republicans who supported a measure that raised taxes on the nation’s highest earners.

“People are mad as hell. I’m right there with them,” Amy Kremer, chairman of the Tea Party Express, said late last week, declaring that she has “no confidence” in the party her members typically support. Her remarks came after GOP lawmakers agreed to higher taxes but no broad spending cuts as part of a deal to avert the “fiscal cliff.”

“Anybody that voted `yes’ in the House should be concerned” about primary challenges in 2014, she said.

At the same time, one of the GOP’s most popular voices, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, blasted his party’s “toxic internal politics”…

GT

February 25th, 2013
11:22 am

Pete! You calling the left loony? Did you know FOX was a all loony toon network, and you have Republican politicians that tell us the female can shut down her reproductive organs like an antenna on a car when raped. Global warming is an urban legend and our president is a illegal who got lucky? I would leave that loony stuff along Pete, or learn how to whistle as you walk by the graveyard.

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
11:22 am

Patrick Edmondson

February 25th, 2013
11:19 am

That argument really lacks much logic. There are 47% of the folks out there who disagree and deserve representation. You may prefer the English governing system more. I think there it is closer to winner take all…

wahoo

February 25th, 2013
11:24 am

I think the most likely outcome seems to be the one nobody is talking about as it pertains to the sequestration cuts: a whole bunch of (near) nothing.

So the cuts happen, and the Federal is forced to live with roughly 2% less than it might have thought it would have. Given the hyperbole surrounding the discussion, and the desire to set up the arguments regarding blame for the cuts by both the left and the right, one would think the world was going to stop spinning. I personally doubt it will turn out to be that big of a deal.

Sure, there will be some losses, and some worthy programs will have to do with less, as Jay cites in his article. But on the whole, this shouldn’t be the end of the world. While I would prefer spending reductions that are more targeted, perhaps this is the way to make our politicians get religion on the need to reduce spending. Or perhaps this will cause them to be more willing to prioritize where spending increases should occur and where they should not.

There also seems to be some real risk that if nothing calamitous happens as a result of the cuts, Obama will look like the boy who cried wolf on this one. Despite both left and right decrying the cuts, as the President and owner of the bully pulpit, he would be the one to look worse, in my personal view.

If our leadership were smart (I know, a big stretch), they might even formulate minor, very targeted stimulus that would be deficit-neutral (or better) to offset the natural drag on growth that’s caused by reductions in government spending. That may be a bridge too far, unfortunately.

Jimmy62

February 25th, 2013
11:24 am

Anybody else find it funny the vast overlap between the group of people who claim impending disaster every time something doesn’t go the their way, and the group of people who make fun of survivalists and doomsday preppers?

If people really think the economy was going to collapse in 2007 if we didn’t do all the bailouts and stimulus, and are now crying that the sky is going to fall because of sequestration, then they ought to be preparing for the apocalypse with supplies, not making fun of other people for doing it.

But the truth is they don’t really believe in those disasters, they just claim impending disaster in order to get their way. Scare tactics. Then they accuse the other side of scare tactics.

To me, if you think every time the government doesn’t do what you think they should do then there will be a major economic collapse, and you are not preparing for doomsday, then you are either a liar, or extremely dumb.

Bemused Observer

February 25th, 2013
11:25 am

“Jay is a left leaning Op Ed writer. The AJC also employs a right leaning Op Ed writer. His name his Kyle Wingfield and his “opinions” lean to the right. Do you cry to him that his articles are too right leaning?”

I don’t read Kyle any more. But I don’t mind Jay being left leaning. I DO mind him being a propagandist much of the time (like Hannity or Matthews and any number of right or left-leaning columnists). I prefer “talking heads” who give credit to the side when they are clearly (the operative word here) right on an issue and engage the other side in debate.

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
11:25 am

JamVet

February 25th, 2013
11:21 am

Then by all means you need to root for the sequester. Just imagine when all those implications all liberals are selling remotely come true? You definitely will have next couple elections sewed up..

Isn’t that what is about?

godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need

February 25th, 2013
11:25 am

Meet Coco…

Creepy.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 25th, 2013
11:26 am

Jam, with the wheels coming off completely, all this demand has left me no choice but to triple my rental prices for the wheel jack.

getalife

February 25th, 2013
11:29 am

Losing another 750,000 jobs to stop our recovery is not a scare tactic, it is the truth.

Proceed gop.

Jimmy62

February 25th, 2013
11:30 am

Anybody think it’s funny how the left likes to point out disunity on the right as a sign that the GOP is collapsing, but then get resentful when someone points out that the left is a party in lockstep groupthink?

Let me clue you in…. If people in your party argue and disagree with one another about issues and policies and proposals and laws, that’s a sign that that party is not in groupthink, that they allow dissent and differing opinions, and actually have a big tent.

On the other hand, if you party prides itself on being unified, as the left does, that most likely means they are definitely in groupthink. They get all defensive about it, but then act like it’s bad that the GOP actually has differences of opinion in their party… Which means the left does not so much, and prides itself on that unity of thought. That is groupthink.

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

February 25th, 2013
11:30 am

Just went to Galloway’s page to register and it said my email was already taken and my last nom de blog was taken and my current one didn’t format or something. Looks like I’m out regardless. Too much hassle, as I suspected.

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
11:32 am

TBS: Posting on weekends so PD can cry on Monday

February 25th, 2013
11:15 am

I do so enjoy challenging Kyle as well. But much more action on this side..

larry

February 25th, 2013
11:32 am

To those of you who think that the cuts wont hurt anyone or anything, ask some of those who could be possibly laid off or have their hours cut because of this.

Namely me. And i know exactly who to blame. And they dont live at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. either.

KEITH

February 25th, 2013
11:34 am

surely you are not saying your master made a big blunder with HIS sequestration? Obama owns it,

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
11:35 am

…if you[sic] party prides itself on being unified, as the left does, that most likely means they are definitely in groupthink.

Dittoheads say, “What?”

Common Sense is Uncommon

February 25th, 2013
11:35 am

Here is the truth. The federal governmnet will spend more money over the next twelve months than at any time in our history. Fact: None of the cuts mentioned above will take place. Fact: If the sequestration takes place no one will noitce one iota of difference in their lives. Fact: Obama wanted the sequestration and vowed to vetoe any attempt to by pass it. Fact: everything you are hearing about sequestration in the media is a lie. Fact: the so called cuts are not cuts in spending but a reduction in the rate of growth in government spending. Fact: we neeed to stop the growth in government spending so let it happen and cheer.

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
11:36 am

wahoo

February 25th, 2013
11:24 am

Extremely well said..I’m sticking to my original odds:

Kick the Can: 2:5
Sequester: 25:1

What a statement the former will make to us…will only validate that they think we are idiots. If can is kicked without progress…that may be most telling evidence to date that our government is and has been failing us and they are only picking up steam…

KEITH

February 25th, 2013
11:36 am

Namely me. And i know exactly who to blame. And they dont live at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. either.

Really, and i bet you cannnot even admit to yourself that obama demanded it, condemned all opposed to it, got it passed and then signed it. how dumb can you be. lol

getalife

February 25th, 2013
11:37 am

Our President is praising Georgia on preschool.

Congrats.

TBS

February 25th, 2013
11:37 am

Observer

If it is has bad to you as you are claiming and have claimed in the past, why post here? Seems like your problem more than it is any problem of the blog host or any other blogger.

Heck, there are times you say you are leaving only to bring out one of your numerous puppets to say the same tripe you were saying 5 minutes earlier.

Maybe doing puppet shows or a gig on Sesame Street would suit you better than “torturing” yourself on this blog.

And aren’t you do for a new puppet? Might be best to go out with all socks yapping before the new system is implemented.

KEITH

February 25th, 2013
11:37 am

Namely me. And i know exactly who to blame. And they dont live at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. either.

barack obama says WHAT???

stands for decibels

February 25th, 2013
11:38 am

my current one didn’t format or something

Normal/corbin, just a tip (because I too was told I couldn’t use my preferred name)–

it won’t take spaces. So, you can use an underscore — “Corbin_Sharpe.” — and it should work.

I’ll be known as “stands_for_decibels” when the changeover occurs. Well, I’ll also be known as “that sometimes-ill-tempered dirty effing hippie”, I guess.

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
11:38 am

larry

February 25th, 2013
11:32 am

How original…profess your blame on the other side…Your loyalty to keeping BO from accepting responsiblity for anything is at least loyal..

KEITH

February 25th, 2013
11:39 am

Our President is praising Georgia on preschool.

Congrats

YOUR PRESIDENT, NOT MINE. THAT POS WILL NEVER BE MY PRESIDENT.

larry

February 25th, 2013
11:39 am

surely you are not saying your master made a big blunder with HIS sequestration? Obama owns it,

And the GOP voted for it. By a wide margin.

All because they would not raise the debt ceiling. The GOP owns it. And the polls show it.

TiredOfIt

February 25th, 2013
11:39 am

We have 300,000,000 plus guns in this country, why do we need the DOD? It is nothing more the welfare for the rich.
Also, I suggest you all run Ted Cruz for president. He is a non-thinking mans man.

TBS

February 25th, 2013
11:40 am

Stevie

Not over there as much as I am over here. Haven’t seen you do much “challenging” but if that is what you call it, ok.

Rafe Hollister

February 25th, 2013
11:40 am

Will life as we know it be extinguished? Will there be around the clock coverage by the Networks? If the first responders are going to be sent home, who will collect the sick and dying? Crime in the streets will be rampant, as law enforcement will be understaffed, and people go hungry.

Obamageddon, coming soon to your neighborhood, not a theater, God save us!

KEITH

February 25th, 2013
11:40 am

How original…profess your blame on the other side…Your loyalty to keeping BO from accepting responsiblity for anything is at leastDUMB AS HELL. THERE FIXED IT FOR YOU…

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
11:40 am

TBS

February 25th, 2013
11:37 am

By puppet do you mean posting under multiple handles?

Seems I’m missing out….

Nero

February 25th, 2013
11:41 am

Sequestration will be glorious. The world will not end, and both sides will be made to look like fools from this “crisis”. The bloated bureaucracy will adjust and find that more waste can be trimmed. It’s a good thing. It will force innovative thinking and we’ll learn to make due with less. It’s the correct path.

getalife

February 25th, 2013
11:41 am

keith,

Self deport.

KEITH

February 25th, 2013
11:41 am

We have 300,000,000 plus guns in this country, why do we need the DOD? It is nothing more the welfare for the rich.
Also, I suggest you all run Ted Cruz for president. He is a non-thinking mans man.

racist post!

JamVet

February 25th, 2013
11:41 am

Comparing Jay Bookman to Sean Hannity is not only completley irrational, it is pathetically laughable.

Must be that moral relativism/equivalency thing that the right wing was railing against years ago…

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
11:42 am

Observer

If it is has bad to you as you are claiming and have claimed in the past, why post here? Seems like your problem more than it is any problem of the blog host or any other blogger.

:shock: Did somebody just stumble onto “Mike” and his current persona? :shock:

larry

February 25th, 2013
11:42 am

Sorry, keith, he is your president. And if you dont like it, Delta is ready when you are.

JamVet

February 25th, 2013
11:42 am

I tend to agree with Nero’s 11:41…

Jefferson

February 25th, 2013
11:43 am

The GOP had rather protect tax loopholes than address the problem. They still don’t get it.

Erwin's cat

February 25th, 2013
11:43 am

Corbin – It’ won’t register my screen name for whatever reason…I’m likely out too

Independent

February 25th, 2013
11:43 am

Wow, these are really funny including Jay’s narrative. Wasn’t the AJC just reporting in the past 24 hours that Georgia was going to receive about $20M federal taxpayer dollars to spend on the homeless? I guess the sequester is being overblown just a bit if the dwellers under the downtown connector bridges are going to bag $20M as planes are falling from the sky, kids are having food taken from their mouths, and millions of kids, teachers, and first responders are being kicked to the curb. I wonder if Michele’s budget will take a hit? I would surmise not if we’re paying for her to fly to Hollywood so hubby can see her on TV with the glitterati.

KEITH

February 25th, 2013
11:43 am

keith,

Self deport.

no, i like Georgia we voted against the ignorant buffoon twice. he won twice because people like you were allowed to vote numerous times in violation of federal law. so as far as im concerned he is the illegitimate occupier of the WH

TaxPayer

February 25th, 2013
11:43 am

I don’t know what all the fuss is about with logging on to blogs and such. As a TaxPayer, I find that I’m accepted everywhere. Even in Republican circles.

straitroad

February 25th, 2013
11:44 am

Folks, think about this. Instead of spending a dollar, we’ll be spending 98 cents. That is not something to panic over unless you’re just in the business of manufacturing panic for political gain.

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
11:45 am

TBS

February 25th, 2013
11:40 am

Not lately…been going to Washington Post more. Rest assured when any defense of GOP positions on any christian right/human rights issue is put up by Kyle, I’m on it. It is also fun to attack his often (not always) favorable views on current GA GOV state.

Unfortunately, he gets only a small fraction of the participants here.

TBS

February 25th, 2013
11:45 am

Stevie

Yes. With the new system one could have multiple handles, but will take time to sign in and out unless one is using multiple sources of means of posting. Now all it takes is for one to change the name.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 25th, 2013
11:46 am

J62 — “Anybody think it’s funny how the left likes to point out disunity on the right as a sign that the GOP is collapsing, but then get resentful when someone points out that the left is a party in lockstep groupthink?”

“Let me clue you in….”

No, let *me* clue *you* in.

The “disunity on the right” isn’t a sign that the GOP is collapsing so much as it is *confirmation* of it. Who are y’all arguing with? Another rightist party, that’s who.

And as far as the left being a “party in lockstep groupthink” goes, you’ve clearly never spent any time at all on a lefty blog like Kos or DU, let alone one like Firedoglake. There are plenty of people in the Democratic Party who are excoriating the President for not going far enough with things like health care, oversight of the financial industry and gun control. Whatever cockamamie bullspit the conservatives *claim* about the President on here, there’s almost certainly a small group of Democrats who actually agree with whatever the GOP Horsespit of the Day is. And a heap of Democrats who don’t agree with it at all.

Clue others in? Son, you’re in desperate need of cluing in yourself.

getalife

February 25th, 2013
11:46 am

The gop have been fighting for our economy to be like the EU economy.

They are staying the course.

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
11:46 am

TaxPayer

February 25th, 2013
11:43 am

Clearly being a taxpayer has no special bearing on jumping on such sites…..

Jefferson

February 25th, 2013
11:46 am

Sorry there Keith ole buddy, but you come across as the childish ignorant buffoon when you spew like you do, hey but it you that gets judged as such… know it alls never seem to be happy.

KEITH

February 25th, 2013
11:47 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj1y3q92sog

obama: i will veto any effort to get rid of these automatic spending cuts.

liberals say WHAT!!

Peadawg

February 25th, 2013
11:47 am

“The GOP had rather protect tax loopholes than address the problem. They still don’t get it.”

Again, Obama got his tax increase. On to spending like he promise.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

February 25th, 2013
11:48 am

WAHOO

WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY…… THAT THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE MORE EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE WITH THE TAX MONEY THEY SPEND????

ARE YOU CRAZY………… HOW CAN YOU EXPECT THAT

KIDS ARE GONNA DIE AND GRANNIES ARE GONNA DIE

TBS

February 25th, 2013
11:48 am

“Unfortunately, he gets only a small fraction of the participants here.”

That is true. It is more of an echo chamber over there; not always but on a fairly consistent basis.

KEITH

February 25th, 2013
11:50 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqD2h7e_MLg&feature=endscreen&NR=1

obama: will congress stick to the deal we made for automatic spending cuts. some are already wanting to stop them. I SAY NO!!

liberals say WHAT!!

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
11:51 am

TBS

February 25th, 2013
11:45 am

Got it…I’m wondering how exactly to model what will be my alter ego as it were. Have to be against gays, abortion..generally be a christian to the core….have to support all the fiscal policies of BO..have to feel that no amount of defense is too much and that the more empire building we do, the better off the world is..

Also, I have to believe that our elected officials actually care about us and think the deficit spending doesn’t matter nor does the unfavorably shifting deographics..also, firmly believe that any cuts at this time are our most imminent security threat…

Better think of a moniker first..any ideas?

liberal hack

February 25th, 2013
11:51 am

I just heard on the radio Jamie Dupree speaking, (Jay’s collegue) that the CBO is putting out that the 85 billion is actually more like 44 billion when looking at outlays in the Federal budget. So really 85 billion is about 2% now really is looking like 1%… 1. if we can’t find 1% of 3.6 trillion to cut we are in trouble. And if 44 billion in budget cuts are going to hurt the economy that much then we are in serious trouble. It is nonsense for the federal gov’t to be that much into an economy as it is. the gov’t role shouldn’t even be to support an economy.

BTW, I thought all of you libs were in support of military budget cuts. 13% is a pretty hefty cut! I thought you guys would be dancing in the streets naked knowing the military is being cut that much…

Joe Hussein Mama

February 25th, 2013
11:52 am

keith — “liberals say WHAT!!”

Liberals say “good.”

“liberals say WHAT!!”

Liberals say “good.”

Better reboot your puter there, Keith. Seems that your Windows for Telepaths software has encountered a General Mindreading Fault.

Reverie

February 25th, 2013
11:52 am

Obama got his tax increase and the greedy jerk did not give up anything to get it. Screw him. He and the democrats are spending us into oblivion with the help of you lapdogs in the press and we expect our children to pay for this. As a military retiree, the spouse of a defense worker and a gainfully employed member of the fanatical right wing, let it burn. The Republicans didn’t add this much debt in all of their administrations COMBINED. This is Obama’s economy and he and the rest of the leftist henchmen are happy to watch it burn. All the right can do is refuse to go down as supporting this lunacy. At this point all we can do is bring marshmallows to the bonfire.

Just for once I wish the lapdog press would report this with some semblance of balance instead of this pandering to the ITP group think. Your lack of professional ethics has damned our nation to generations of ruin. Your inability to put aside your fever pitched adoration of all-things Obama is vile and contemptuous.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 25th, 2013
11:52 am

L. Hack — “BTW, I thought all of you libs were in support of military budget cuts.”

Stop thinking. You’re not very good at it.

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
11:54 am

TBS

I do think he is very thoughtful and bright guy..as is Jay.

I also think both of the current pictures are at least a decade old..kinda like my CV, passport and drivers license pics..

KEITH

February 25th, 2013
11:54 am

OBAMA LIED in the debate. Sequester will not happen. Sequester was Congress idea. Jay Carney: sequester was put forward by THE PRESIDENTS TEAM

liberals say WHAT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIGCWLqQaAE&NR=1&feature=endscreen

liberal hack

February 25th, 2013
11:54 am

I’m about as good as a thinker as you Joe! :)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
11:54 am

Did somebody just stumble onto “Mike” and his current persona?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Joe Hussein Mama

February 25th, 2013
11:56 am

L. Hack — “I’m about as good as a thinker as you Joe!”

Afraid not, son.

If you want to know what others are thinking, then man up and ask them.

If your alleged ‘thinking’ involves making things up and then attributing them to others, then perhaps you should pay closer attention in school.

Jefferson

February 25th, 2013
11:56 am

Because of the 250-450k compromise, revenues are not over…

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
11:57 am

Peadawg: Again, Obama got his tax increase. On to spending like he promise.

Seems that you forget about the previous deals that were all spending cuts. If we’re to apply a balanced approach, then look at the entire set of “deals”. First, there was one with all cuts and no revenue. The 2nd one had cuts and revenue. So, it seems that the third one should be all revenue if you want a balanced approach. For some odd reason though, it seems like people forget about that first deal that was all cuts.

bman.

February 25th, 2013
11:58 am

No more Twinkies and now this? Will traffic lights be working March 1st?

liberal hack

February 25th, 2013
11:58 am

maybe not you Joe, maybe you are against the military budget cuts…but the talk I hear on liberal talk radio on on college campuses is that the military budget is too large and needs cutting…

JamVet

February 25th, 2013
11:58 am

drivers license pics..

I confess to even worse, SR.

My license says I weigh 175 lbs. I don’t think I’ve seen 175 in 15 years! (I just never bothered to changed any of the pertinent details!)

Seriously Folks

February 25th, 2013
11:58 am

Really? We are playing a blame game on “who’s idea it was?” Yes, the President and Dems supported the idea that IF we cannot agree on an outcome, then these cuts would kick in. But the Cons on here are arguing like teenagers!

This is the same concept of telling your teenager, “get your grades up, clean your room and do your chores, or you will NOT go on Spring Break.” And the parents keep reminding…encouraging…offering ways and times to do the stuff asked, only to have the Teen consistently ignore the parent and not do anything to chip in around the house…THEN the Teen (Republicans) throw a fit to anyone who will listen that “My parents wont let me go on Spring Break and it starts on Friday”

Again, YES, Obama voted for the sequester. But if you Cons on here cant accept that what this was, was an attempt to FORCE Congress to act on key provisions for debt reduction, and this would ONLY be a LAST DITCH effort to do it, then you are being dishonest.

And remember, this was done BEFORE the election….so the Republicans showed ZERO leadership, since they thought it would be moot, as they NEVER expected the President to be re-elected!!!

larry

February 25th, 2013
11:58 am

The President wants to close tax loopholes as part of an agreement to avoid the sequester and its a bad idea. The Republicans want no part of it.

But yet, just 4 1/2 months ago, they voted for a man who wanted to close tax loopholes to raise revenues.

Hmmmmmmm……..

JamVet

February 25th, 2013
11:58 am

…the military budget is too large and needs cutting…

Is that even debatable???

Joe Hussein Mama

February 25th, 2013
12:01 pm

L. Hack — “maybe not you Joe, maybe you are against the military budget cuts…”

I’m in favor of cutting in some places and against cutting in others. My position is a lot more complex than blindly “being in favor” of the cuts, as you so blithely put it, and if you add in all other Democrats, I think you’ll find that our positions are just as varied.

“but the talk I hear on liberal talk radio on on college campuses”

Since when do college kids speak for the entire Democratic Party?

“is that the military budget is too large and needs cutting…”

I think that the military budget is too large and needs cutting. That doesn’t mean that I favor the *specific* cuts that are going into effect at the end of the week.

Come on, man, think for a change.

liberal hack

February 25th, 2013
12:01 pm

I by the way don’t see an issue on there being a 13% cut in military spending. We have too many bases, especially unneeded bases overseas that need to be closed. And I know from personal experience that the Army can be pretty good wasters of tax payer revenue. There is no reward for spending as little as possible when it comes to unit spending, usually if you don’t spend what’s been budgeted, especially if you go under budget, your next year budget is cut. there should be rewards for smart spending.

Peadawg

February 25th, 2013
12:01 pm

“Seems that you forget about the previous deals that were all spending cuts.” – Nope.

THIS deal (in the present tense not that past), however, was Obama getting his tax increases and promising more spending cuts (then kicking the cuts down the road). Time for Obama to follow through.

Steve

February 25th, 2013
12:03 pm

When I read some of the absolute lies and made up $hit in here I can only roll my eyes, scratch my head, and thank God that the majority of Americans don’t think this way. This IS Georgia, don’t ya know…(insert the theme from “Deliverance” here)

Liberal Nightmare

February 25th, 2013
12:03 pm

“Here is the truth. The federal governmnet will spend more money over the next twelve months than at any time in our history. Fact: None of the cuts mentioned above will take place. Fact: If the sequestration takes place no one will noitce one iota of difference in their lives. Fact: Obama wanted the sequestration and vowed to vetoe any attempt to by pass it. Fact: everything you are hearing about sequestration in the media is a lie. Fact: the so called cuts are not cuts in spending but a reduction in the rate of growth in government spending. Fact: we neeed to stop the growth in government spending so let it happen and cheer.”

Posting facts on a Cookman blog will not be met with much attention. These Obamabots don’t listen to facts. Their MO is to 1. blame Bush, 2. bash Fox news, 3. pronounce how intelligent and enlightened they are.

getalife

February 25th, 2013
12:03 pm

It is pretty obvious, the Catholic church is gay.

TiredOfIt

February 25th, 2013
12:03 pm

More republican rip-offs: Major Banks Aid in Payday Loans Banned by States. Ted Cruz for president.

Steve

February 25th, 2013
12:04 pm

Peadawg, Obama has presented tax cuts to Congress how many times now? CONGRESS IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PASSING BUDGETS.

How many times do we have to keep repeating this?

liberal hack

February 25th, 2013
12:04 pm

besides, I find it shocking that anybody would be okay with spending a trillion more than you take in anyway…

I get emergencies, but most of this spending that we’ve done for the past decade and a half has been mostly discretionary and non emergency and there was not any worry about over spending. That’s shameful period.

Seriously Folks

February 25th, 2013
12:04 pm

@Larry….that was before Benghazi…all bets were off after that, didn’t you know??? (sarcasm!!!)

Nero

February 25th, 2013
12:05 pm

Across the board cuts is what’s needed. The Pentagon will juts have to learn to make due with less. We can’t win wars with what we have, so will a little less make that big of a difference? Redeploy from Europe and let the EU worry about the Russians.

TiredOfIt

February 25th, 2013
12:05 pm

Liberal Nightmare
February 25th, 2013
12:03 pm

“Here is the truth. The federal governmnet will spend more money over the next twelve months than at any time in our history.

++
And there are more citizens than at any time in our history?

Lynnie Gal

February 25th, 2013
12:05 pm

The GOP’s vision for our future is a hellscape with poverty, sickness and ignorance along with weakness of America’s military and ability to defend us against terrorism. They think their guns are gonna protect them, but with lack of air traffic controllers, they might go down in flames.

Peadawg

February 25th, 2013
12:06 pm

“How many times do we have to keep repeating this?” – None, I know Congress is responsible for the budget. Your point?

curious

February 25th, 2013
12:06 pm

Pull our troops from Afganistan, Germany, Japan, and S. Korea. Time for all of them to stand up.

Give S Korea a few nukes to deter N Korea.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

February 25th, 2013
12:07 pm

JAY SAYS
Georgia will lose approximately $28.6 million in funding for primary and secondary education, putting around 390 teacher and aide jobs at risk
=================================================================

GREAT!!!
LETS LAYOFF SOME APS AND DEKALB TEACHERS ………. IT CAN’T GET ANY WORSE

Welcome to the Occupation

February 25th, 2013
12:07 pm

Reverie: “Obama got his tax increase and the greedy jerk did not give up anything to get it. ”

Politics is too serious a thing for people to dabble at who either lack the intellectual capacity or are too lazy to follow what’s going on. Get a clue, son.

Adam

February 25th, 2013
12:08 pm

Paul: Yeah, more of the same here. Even in the comments since. Sigh.

No original thinking at all.

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
12:08 pm

Seriously Folks @ 11:58

Good luck on getting people to understand that analogy. I like it though.

getalife

February 25th, 2013
12:08 pm

Instead of doing their job to do a budget, the gop chose these self inflicted wounds instead.

It is a huge mistake by the gop but the cons are still focused on getting our President.

JamVet

February 25th, 2013
12:09 pm

Whenever I read guys like UNCLE SCREAMER and keith, I always feel a bit like Dr. Jack Kevorkian.

Now, are you absolutely certain that you want to go through with this?

Joe Hussein Mama

February 25th, 2013
12:09 pm

L. Hack — “There is no reward for spending as little as possible when it comes to unit spending, usually if you don’t spend what’s been budgeted, especially if you go under budget, your next year budget is cut. there should be rewards for smart spending.”

That’s true in just about every sort of business or bureaucracy. My old man’s a professor of Agriculture with over 40 years of tenure, and he tells me that at the end of every Summer term, there’s a rush to order new equipment, books, computers, etc. in order to spend up whatever budget money is left. And it’s not just his department; he’s got friends in many other departments on campus, and they all tell the same tale.

FWIW, I agree with you; military commanders should be incented for the smart spending of their resources — not get a nice juicy budget cut in the next year.

Welcome to the Occupation

February 25th, 2013
12:09 pm

Reverie,

Dumb, stupid, snot nosed, lazy and gazing slack-jawed at the flickering FOX News screen is no way to life, son.

Doggone/GA

February 25th, 2013
12:09 pm

“Again, YES, Obama voted for the sequester”

Minor correction: he didn’t vote for it, he didn’t HAVE a vote. He signed the bill that included it.

KEITH

February 25th, 2013
12:10 pm

Instead of doing their job to do a budget, the gop chose these self inflicted wounds instead.

It is a huge mistake by the gop but the cons are still focused on getting our President.

Didnt you see obama saying he would veto any effort to stop sequester or was your head so far up obamas rear end you couldnt hear anything?

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
12:10 pm

THIS deal (in the present tense not that past), however, was Obama getting his tax increases and promising more spending cuts (then kicking the cuts down the road). Time for Obama to follow through.

No, in totality, THIS deal was Obama getting some of his revenues because he didn’t get any on the previous deal. Simply trying to shift the deal does not negate all the previous crap that’s taken place. The GOP has been all about this deficit sh*t since 2011, so you can’t ignore the previous stuff just because it doesn’t fit your narrative.

Adam

February 25th, 2013
12:10 pm

I predict the people who are claiming that cuts never happen and Obama promised spending cuts are going to turn around on March 2 and claim that now that we have both spending cuts and revenue increases, that we need more spending cuts and no more revenue increases.

Anyone want to do an over/under?

weetamoe

February 25th, 2013
12:11 pm

The point is, as others have said, he did propose the idea. And the deal he made included his agreement not to request additional revenue. If you remember, he pulled this scam on Boehner once before, when hours after their agreement he demanded a revision including additional taxes. And he then blamed Boehner because the deal fell through. The information is readily available from a variety–a variety — of sources. Obama has truly earned the title of Liar in Chief. George Will’s allusion to the familiar *dogs of war* in his *let slip the hamsters of sequestration* is a relevant comment on the denigration of the presidency by Obama.

Nero

February 25th, 2013
12:11 pm

getalife,

And Obama is still focused on making cheap political theater. Your point? Cut it all across the board and the country will adapt.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 25th, 2013
12:11 pm

curious — “Give S Korea a few nukes to deter N Korea.”

Yeah, the Chinese wouldn’t be very happy with that.

Right now, the Chinese are at least tugging on NK’s chain kinda halfheartedly. Let’s not give them an excuse to say ‘f**k it’ and just let go of the chain completely.

Adam

February 25th, 2013
12:11 pm

Steve

February 25th, 2013
12:12 pm

Peadawg, then why are you placing blame on the President when this is in Congress’ hands and Congress’ responsibility???

TBS: Posting on weekends so PD can cry on Monday

February 25th, 2013
12:12 pm

“so you can’t ignore the previous stuff just because it doesn’t fit your narrative.”

You must be new here………

:-)

KEITH

February 25th, 2013
12:12 pm

Minor correction: he didn’t vote for it, he didn’t HAVE a vote. He signed the bill that included it.

he signed it because it was HIS IDEA in the first place.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIGCWLqQaAE&NR=1&feature=endscreen

cant we all agree, obama is a liar?

getalife

February 25th, 2013
12:12 pm

Cut it all across the board and the country will be back in a recession like the EU.

JamVet

February 25th, 2013
12:12 pm

600,000 civilian jobs for the DoD to be cut???

Wow! That’s a lot of union thugs at Lockheed, Boeing, Northrup and Raytheon, huh Frankie?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
12:12 pm

George Will.

There’s your sign.

Welcome to the Occupation

February 25th, 2013
12:12 pm

Too many rubes in this country, scruffy necked with five o’clock shadow gazes, faces struck dumb with a bedazzled buck-toothed look of stupefaction, mullet wearing dirty baseball cap sporting plebes all of them.

Get yerself some lernin! Fools.

Steve

February 25th, 2013
12:13 pm

What’s funny is if Obama stepped in and “showed leadership” as you demand, you Confederates would be the first to scream bloody murder that he’s overstepping his bounds, he’s “King” or what not.

This forum is retarded.

Welcome to the Occupation

February 25th, 2013
12:14 pm

Nero: “Cut it all across the board and the country will adapt.”

That’s what they’re doing in Greece. And it’s failing.

Disastrously.

Nero

February 25th, 2013
12:14 pm

Joe,

Yeah the Chinese are so tugging on that chain with the recent ballistic missile test and that miniaturized nuke they just touched off.

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
12:14 pm

TiredOfIt

February 25th, 2013
12:03 pm

We are still subsidizing banks to the tune of 83 billion a year or so..don’t be naive to think that both sides don’t get benefit from these banks…especially when both parties continue to appoint former Goldman, Citi and the likes for cabinet posts etectera. Not a GOP exclusive..

KEITH

February 25th, 2013
12:16 pm

obama: sequester a bad idea. Jay Carney: sequester was obamas idea.

liberals say WHAT???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=3yc5miKHju8&NR=1

curious

February 25th, 2013
12:17 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

“Yeah, the Chinese wouldn’t be very happy with that.”

Let’em grumble. We owe them so much, they can’t afford to tick us off too much.

Heck. We’re so dependent on China’s cheap labor and money, we are powerless to do anything about their hacking, other than complain.

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
12:17 pm

Brosephus™ – Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
12:10 pm

IMO, multitasking is simply doing several things not well:-)

I do recall BO opted to continue Bush tax cuts a few short years ago…don’t recall what he asked for whenever last time is but he definitely got somewhat extorted with debt ceiling..I’m still not sure that was a good or bad thing..

Steve

February 25th, 2013
12:17 pm

When it comes to spending money, Congress is in charge—not the president. If you Confederates are not aware of that, perhaps you ought to take a look at Article I, Section 8 of a little document called the United States Constitution.

JamVet

February 25th, 2013
12:17 pm

Not a GOP exclusive..

Ask Timothy Geithner…

Paul

February 25th, 2013
12:17 pm

Bemused 1114

Glad to read the grudging thanks. Re. discretionary appropriations originate in Houseand they are in no mood. Heard a Republican committee member refuse to consider it. They want to protect their districts.

You know Obama has proposed entitlement reform and angered Democrats. Specific written us stupid at this point just another silly diversion. Heck Republican leaders did not even respond to that.

Now I need to help the folks prepare their taxes

Nero

February 25th, 2013
12:18 pm

getalife,

If that’s what it takes then so be it. A reset is needed. It’s the best course the country can take. We will be just fine.

Peadawg

February 25th, 2013
12:18 pm

“Peadawg, then why are you placing blame on the President when this is in Congress’ hands and Congress’ responsibility???”

B/c it was his idea, he signed it into law, and now he’s trying to do a 180 on it by scaring everybody. The bucks stops with him, remember?

“The GOP has been all about this deficit sh*t since 2011, so you can’t ignore the previous stuff just because it doesn’t fit your narrative.”

Not exactly ignoring it…just moving on.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 25th, 2013
12:18 pm

Nero — “Joe, Yeah the Chinese are so tugging on that chain with the recent ballistic missile test and that miniaturized nuke they just touched off.”

You mean the missile test that failed? With the payload that’s just kinda careening about in uncontrolled orbit?

And if you’ve got such issues with the Norks having nukes, then surely you know that they’ve been firing off underground tests since 2006.

But hey, if you want to go toe-to-toe with them, be my guest. There ought to be an enlistment office somewhere near your home.

Me? Been there, done that, got the DD-214.

KEITH

February 25th, 2013
12:18 pm

LIBERALS HAVE THEIR HEADS SO FAR UP OBAMAS BUTT THEY COULDNT HEAR OBAMA TOUTING SEQUESTER AS A GREAT THING.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

February 25th, 2013
12:18 pm

Welcome to the Occupation

February 25th, 2013
12:14 pm
Nero: “Cut it all across the board and the country will adapt.”

That’s what they’re doing in Greece. And it’s failing.

Disastrously.

=======================================================================

CAN’T COMPARE GREECE TO THE U.S.
TWO DIFFERENT SITUATIONS…………..

EVERYONE WILL STILL FIANCE OUR DEBT LIKE THEY DO JAPAN WHO IS 230% IN DEBT TO GDP……..

GREECE IS FALLING BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO ASSETS OR INCOME STREAM

THE U.S. HAS TRILLIONS IS ASSETS AND TRILLIONS IN INCOME STREAM……

THE REST OF THE WORLD WANTS US TO KEEP GOING IN DEBT BECAUSE THEN THEY WILL BE ABLE TO BUY ASSETS AT REDUCED PRICING AND WITHOUT U.S. GOVERMENT RESTRICTIONS.

NO ONE WANTS TO BACK GREECE BECAUSE WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO GET?
A POPULATION WHO DOESN’T WANT TO WORK BUT WANTS TONS OF BENEFITS

Steve

February 25th, 2013
12:19 pm

“Republicans aren’t satisfied with the chained CPI Social Security benefit cut President Barack Obama has said he would be willing to accept in exchange for closing loopholes and deductions. They look at the fact that the budget deficit has dropped by roughly half since President Obama’s first year and scoff. They hear that projected Medicare spending has already dropped by more than Simpson-Bowles originally sought and think to themselves that this is a good idea:

Nearly two million people who have been out of work for more than six months could see unemployment payments drop by 11 percent in checks that arrive in late March or the first days of April, according to the White House budget office, an average of $132 a month. [...]
The National Institutes of Health, for instance, would need to cut about 5 percent of its annual budget in just seven months, meaning hundreds fewer research grants, said Kathleen Sebelius, the health secretary. Money for food safety inspection and air traffic controllers would also be cut.

Roughly 600,000 low-income women and children would stop receiving food aid.

getalife

February 25th, 2013
12:19 pm

I like other countries tried different things after the collapse to see what worked.

The gop want EU austerity that failed badly so we will not use that failure.

Game over.

kayaker 71

February 25th, 2013
12:19 pm

Every time someone in DC mentions budget and tax cuts, we are faced with this doomsday scenario that the sky will fall in at any moment and that no one will be able to board a plane, get ambulance service, get their SS benefits, etc. It is the same every time and the scenario is usually fostered by the Democrats as a way of scaring the American public first and later having someone to blame. 85 B in this system represents only 2%. If we can’t get rid of 2% without going TU, we are in bad shape.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 25th, 2013
12:20 pm

Curious — “Heck. We’re so dependent on China’s cheap labor and money, we are powerless to do anything about their hacking, other than complain.”

I know, right? :(

You didn’t happen to pick up the Citadel drive-by trojan lately, did you?

It popped up on one each of my home and work puters. I still have no idea where I managed to pick it up. Heck, the most non-work stuff I do on those puters is read news, stock reports and traffic and weather reports.

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
12:20 pm

curious

February 25th, 2013
12:17 pm

Those jobs shouldn’t and never will come back…not likely in our lifetimes..

Interesting info. Appears between 2001 and 2008, we lost 2.4 million jobs or about 400 k a year..

http://www.epi.org/publication/counting_the_jobs_lost_to_china/

KEITH

February 25th, 2013
12:20 pm

When it comes to spending money, Congress is in charge—not the president. If you Confederates are not aware of that, perhaps you ought to take a look at Article I, Section 8 of a little document called the United States Constitution

When obama supported sequester liberals supported sequester,. now that obama opposes sequester, liberals oppose sequester. Now if only obama would tell them sticking your head under water until your lungs will up with water is a good idea.

Steve

February 25th, 2013
12:20 pm

As the GOP Congress just sits there with their thumbs up their…the Confederates blame Obama.

RB from Gwinnett

February 25th, 2013
12:21 pm

larry, “The President wants to close tax loopholes as part of an agreement to avoid the sequester and its a bad idea. The Republicans want no part of it. But yet, just 4 1/2 months ago, they voted for a man who wanted to close tax loopholes to raise revenues. ”

Try again lightweight. Romney proposed closing loopholes as an alternative to the the top rate change. Obama already changed the top rate and now he wants more in the form of these loopholes. Double dipping.

Did you not know that, larry, or do you just think your comments are cute and hope people aren’t paying attention?

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
12:22 pm

Steve

February 25th, 2013
12:19 pm

Is that what you are counting on? Death and starvation to those in need? Get real.

Nero

February 25th, 2013
12:22 pm

getalife,

We will and you’ll get used to it. It’s coming Friday and no amount of your crying will stop it. You’ll be fine.

Steve

February 25th, 2013
12:22 pm

Just like were led to believe Romney was the clear winner – you are in denial that the majority of AMericans are going to blame Congress. Obama isn’t stupid, this is political theater that he is learning to manipulate.

DownInAlbany

February 25th, 2013
12:23 pm

The GOP has offered to give the Prez the authority to “spread” the cuts around to his pleasure. What say, you, libs?

getalife

February 25th, 2013
12:23 pm

nero,

The turtle will cave again as Wall Street yawns.

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
12:24 pm

TBS

:lol: :lol:

————–

Stevie Ray

Those things seem to have been wiped out of the collective memories of many people here. The GOP has been playing this game with Obama since he took office. I’ve called him spineless because, just as I predicted, when the GOP realized they could sucker him with this crap, they would pull this stunt every chance they got.

If it were my decision to make, I would go on national tv and claim that the GOP had the perfect answer to all our problems and that I was enacting every single policy they’ve suggested with no deviation. I would then let the GOP cut the sh*t out of the budget and f**k up the economy on their own. Maybe then, people will snap out of this party sh*t and realize how politicians are the ones f**king everything up.

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
12:24 pm

Steve

February 25th, 2013
12:20 pm

You couldn’t be more right. Obama should be the only one sitting on his ass (unless out in front of a bunch of prospective victims like first responders and ship builders)…he clearly always takes the high ground.

You really believing all of this gloom doom and despair?

Jeffrey

February 25th, 2013
12:24 pm

Ok, let’s say these cuts go through and they do mess up the economy. How are republicans then going to fight for further cuts? They have accomplished their goal, they have starved the beast, it’s fun watching them find out that people don’t want more cuts.

getalife

February 25th, 2013
12:24 pm

Steve

February 25th, 2013
12:24 pm

And i’ll steal this quote…

“There’s no question that President Obama and congressional Democrats shoulder some of the responsibility for getting us to this point. But for the most part, the thing they’ve done wrong is failing to fight against insane Republican ideas—and to assume that today’s GOP is capable of operating in good faith. But what Republicans are doing here is going after one group of vulnerable Americans to screw over another group of vulnerable Americans, and this pattern of destructive crisis after destructive crisis isn’t going to stop until they stop.”

Seriously Folks

February 25th, 2013
12:24 pm

@Keith. YES it was his idea (and I stand corrected, he didn’t “vote” for it, but did sign the legislation). But tell me this. But if you are insinuating that the Republicans in Congress negotiated in good faith to avert this trigger, then you are not being honest.

Negotiations are exactly what the word means…give and take! I HIGHLY doubt anyone on here has purchased a home or a car by just saying, “gee, sounds good to me what you are asking for”…no…you negotiated. Now if the seller told you I will listen to your counter-offer, but NEVER budges on their original deal…what would you do? (apparently most on here seem to think the seller is the rational one!)

And finally..spare me the sophomoric name calling like “King Obama”…if you think THIS is somehow and authoritarian government, you are truly delusional!

JamVet

February 25th, 2013
12:25 pm

I’m always glad when the perverse campaign season is over or course, but still, I kinda miss Mitt “Michael Dukakis” Romney and his sidekick Eddie Munster…

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
12:26 pm

Brosephus™ – Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
12:24 pm

AGREED…if I were devout GOP, I’d give Obama every single thing he asked for as well. At least then the metrics would be clear and agreed upon.

Steve

February 25th, 2013
12:26 pm

Stevie Ray – you will be the first to point out unemployment rising and the economy sinking thanks to these measures that were so bad and such a last resort that nobody was supposed to support them…but alas, the GOP is that screwed up in Congress. EVen Republican governors are pushing for this to not happen.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 25th, 2013
12:28 pm

Keith — “Now if only obama would tell them sticking your head under water until your lungs will up with water is a good idea.”

Wishing death on your political opponents?

What a pathetic little person you are.

Go join the Taliban; they seem to think the same way you do.

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
12:28 pm

The GOP has offered to give the Prez the authority to “spread” the cuts around to his pleasure. What say, you, libs?

Not a lib, but I think Congress should do their damned job themselves, including the GOP dealing with budgetary measures as long as they control the House. If they don’t want to do their job, why don’t they just resign and let someone, who really want’s to get things done, do the work for them?

Nero

February 25th, 2013
12:28 pm

getalife,

But the House won’t so just tighten your belt a little more. :)

stands for decibels

February 25th, 2013
12:28 pm

It’ won’t register my screen name for whatever reason…

Really? It wouldn’t let you register “Erwins_Cat”, even?

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
12:29 pm

Brosephus™ – Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
12:24 pm

If two cents on every dollar is the “sh@t” we are all in trouble. As I understand it, many departments already have plans in place to make the cuts without the type of impact being suggested.

If sequester happens (25:1), we will finally have the showdown of showdowns..

getalife

February 25th, 2013
12:29 pm

cons,

When are you going to surrender to President Obama and fix your failed party?

Mick

February 25th, 2013
12:30 pm

reverie
**The Republicans didn’t add this much debt in all of their administrations COMBINED**

I see the lie, that won’t die, keeps on…

Nero

February 25th, 2013
12:31 pm

Right after they take the Senate in 2014

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
12:31 pm

Stevie Ray

If you look closely, Obama’s following the Reagan method. Defense spending took us out of the recessions of the 80s. We don’t need more defense spending now, but our infrastructure could damn well use updating. Imagine how hard it will be for businesses to function and profit when roads, bridges, the power grid, etc… are all f**ked up beyond repair.

Welcome to the Occupation

February 25th, 2013
12:31 pm

Uncle Samantha: “CAN’T COMPARE GREECE TO THE U.S.
TWO DIFFERENT SITUATIONS…………..

EVERYONE WILL STILL FIANCE OUR DEBT LIKE THEY DO JAPAN WHO IS 230% IN DEBT TO GDP……..”

What are you a Keynesian or something? :)

UNCLE SAMANTHA

February 25th, 2013
12:32 pm

LIBERAL ILLOGIC

NO CUTS IN SPENDING NOW…….. YOU’LL RUIN THE ECONOMY

NO CUTS WHEN TIMES ARE GREAT…….. WE HAVE THE MONEY TO HELP OTHERS

SO THE QUESTION BECOMES

WHEN DO LIBERALS THINK ITS TIME TO CUT SPENDING???

TiredOfIt

February 25th, 2013
12:32 pm

Joe Hussein Mama
February 25th, 2013
12:28 pm

Keith — “Now if only obama would tell them sticking your head under water until your lungs will up with water is a good idea.”

Wishing death on your political opponents?

What a pathetic little person you are.

Go join the Taliban; they seem to think the same way you do
++
And when you, leave grab Ted Cruz while your at it.

so hypocritical book

February 25th, 2013
12:33 pm

WAAAA
My name’s Barry and I am taking my ball and going home since I cannot have my way

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
12:34 pm

Brosephus™ – Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
12:28 pm

We both know that congress doesn’t want to do their job so the pipe dreams we speak of are not practical as the incentives are not in its favor. Not unlike Sisyphus…except they always remain under the rock. Hey I think I just made a funny.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 25th, 2013
12:34 pm

So now the GOP default is not to stop the “devastating sequestration” that they demanded be passed to force budget cuts but to transfer power to Obama to decide where the cuts should be made, so that they can blame Obama for the cuts made that they forced rather than deal with the hard decisions themselves.

Yep…sounds like the plan. They want to continue to combine the Congress and the Presidency until they get their king. :lol:

getalife

February 25th, 2013
12:34 pm

Japan is a good example because they are trying stimulus.

I think Japan will be fine.

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
12:35 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 25th, 2013
12:34 pm

Based on your comments, you should root for cliff diving. At least then your party will make it certain and everyone will know who is the lion versus lamb…

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
12:36 pm

Stevie Ray @ 12:24

Have you ever had to deal with a bully? The sequester will take money out of the economy, an economy that depends on consumption to grow. Less money in means less growth. Cutting spending is not going to put more money into the pockets of taxpayers.

At the same time, if Obama keeps allowing the GOP to bully him, this country will really get f**ked over. That’s why I posted what I said at 12:24 because the only way to stop a bully is to punch them dead in the nose. Either that, or, kick them in the nuts and rub their faces in dog sh*t. You can’t talk, debate, or negotiate with a bully.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

February 25th, 2013
12:36 pm

Welcome to the Occupation

February 25th, 2013
12:31 pm
Uncle Samantha: “CAN’T COMPARE GREECE TO THE U.S.
TWO DIFFERENT SITUATIONS…………..

EVERYONE WILL STILL FIANCE OUR DEBT LIKE THEY DO JAPAN WHO IS 230% IN DEBT TO GDP……..”

What are you a Keynesian or something?

======================================================================

TARGETED KEYNESIAN

TARGETED BUDGET CUTTER

CONTRARY TO LIBERALS AND CONSERVATIVES……. YOU CAN DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME

getalife

February 25th, 2013
12:38 pm

The time to cut was under w before the collapse but w chose to blow out the deficit instead.

w had a rubber stamp congress that would pass cuts easily.

You missed your chance con and cheered him on so zip it hypocrites.

wahoo

February 25th, 2013
12:39 pm

Thank you, Stevie Ray at 11:36. I further agree that kicking the can is more likely than sequestration, but I would place the sequestration odds higher than you do.

Uncle Samantha at 11:48: Yes, I want the government to be more efficient and effective. I think everybody should feel that way, regardless of political persuasion.

Personally, I think the cuts will have a minimal effect, and through targeted stimulus the natural economic deceleration caused by reduced government spending could easily be overcome in a way that would be deficit neutral, or even deficit reducing.

During periods of austerity, one also needs to foster growth or the austerity will put downward pressure on GDP growth. IMHO, this is the part that Europe is currently getting wrong vis a vis their austerity measures.

williebkind

February 25th, 2013
12:40 pm

When one states the main stream media is to blame for not reporting the truth about Obama, the liberals reply with a list of conservative stations that reaches only portion of the masses. You always hear what the republicans are doing in detail but rarely hear what Obama and the liberal democrats have done. The media is biased and should be treated as if it was “gun control”. We should have debates and a consensus that the media must report facts to inform the public and should express explicitly when it is broadcasting opinions. This sequester is good and hopefully it will start the downsizing of an over spending government. Now it is time to replace those liberals in the blue states who tax and spend as if there are no limits.

Nero

February 25th, 2013
12:42 pm

Yeah cause Japan has been so successful for the past 20 years. Give it a rest.

williebkind

February 25th, 2013
12:43 pm

“The sequester will take money out of the economy, an economy that depends on consumption to grow.”

Where is that money coming from in the first place? Is that money just going to disappear….puff gone!
That money will be in the economy where it belongs and not in the president’s or congress’s hands.

Nero

February 25th, 2013
12:44 pm

It’s coming and you can’t stop it. Adapt and overcome.

getalife

February 25th, 2013
12:44 pm

Japan chose austerity first too.

Now, they are trying stimulus.

The outcomes of these actions are out there if you choose to research them

getalife

February 25th, 2013
12:46 pm

The OWS crowd likes what Iceland did after the collapse.

Ivan

February 25th, 2013
12:46 pm

“w had a rubber stamp congress that would pass cuts easily.”

So did Obama

williebkind

February 25th, 2013
12:47 pm

“We don’t need more defense spending now, but our infrastructure could damn well use updating.”

We could spend less on the military but not much less! However, I do think money toward infrastructure is a good idea as long as unions are not receiving the nod to get all the fact juicy high priced contracts. We can do it better and cheaper with more diverse contractors than with unions.

Erwin's cat

February 25th, 2013
12:47 pm

stands fo dB – Really? It wouldn’t let you register “Erwins_Cat”, even?

Nope…I tried all other combos i could think of too

UNCLE SAMANTHA

February 25th, 2013
12:48 pm

NERO— I’VE BEEN RANTING FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS THAT WE WILL HAVE LOST DECADES LIKE JAPAN…….

WE ARE DOING THE EXACT SAME ACTIONS THEY DID WHEN THEY HAD A HOUSING BUBBLE AND THEIR POPULATION AGED

THEY HAVE NO GROWTH AND THE MULTINATIONALS PROSPER BUT HAVE HUGE DEBT AND THE MIDDLE CLASS IS STAGNATE

BUT THEY AREN’T GOING TO COLLAPSE LIKE SOME WARN ABOUT US

JUST SLOWLY FADE INTO IRRELEVANCY

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 25th, 2013
12:49 pm

Stevie, pardon me if I ignore your assessment, I have not found your evaluations to be very astute or insightful.

Frankly I expect the sequestration to happen because of GOP stupidity.

Tom( Viet Vet-USAF)

February 25th, 2013
12:49 pm

I’m shocked, I posted at 9:43a and none of you libs have attacked me as you usually do? What is it, you have bigger fish to fry or actually agree with me somewhat? Stunned, perhaps Jay and his minions are in sick-bay? If so, get well soon, I miss your come-backs.

Nero

February 25th, 2013
12:49 pm

There is no outcomes to research. Japan has been flailing for the past two decades from their asset bubble bursting. Just suck it up and deal. That’s all you have left. Obama’s gambit failed and now we all have to eat a sh*t sandwich without the bread. We’ll live and come out better for it.

getalife

February 25th, 2013
12:50 pm

“So did Obama”

His focus is on job growth but he has to act alone .

JKL2

February 25th, 2013
12:50 pm

obama came up with sequestration so I’m sure it is a brilliant, well thought out program. I can’t wait for it to go into effect.

PS: the bridge program to get us to obamacare is now 40% under-funded. I’m sure that in no way represents anything having to do with obamacare. That will be a wonderful program that saves millions of lives and lowers our insurance costs..

UNCLE SAMANTHA

February 25th, 2013
12:50 pm

getalife

February 25th, 2013
12:44 pm
Japan chose austerity first too.

Now, they are trying stimulus.

The outcomes of these actions are out there if you choose to research them

======================================================================

INCORRECT
JAPAN CHOSE TO SAVE THEIR BANKS WHO WERE TOO BIG TO FAIL
THEY SAVED THEM THEN DID OVER 12+ YEARS OF STIMULUS………

THEY TRIED A PAINLESS RECOVERY AND WRECKED THEIR ECONOMY

JUST LIKE WE ARE DOING

Oscar

February 25th, 2013
12:51 pm

Still time to allow some flexibility in the cuts.

Those who believe the smaller the government the btter should, however. This will reduce the size of government. So would firing half our police force and all our firmen. Smaller the better.

getalife

February 25th, 2013
12:52 pm

“There is no outcomes to research.”

Lazy and closed minded con.

stands for decibels

February 25th, 2013
12:52 pm

Nope…I tried all other combos i could think of too

Well, that certainly blows chunks.

Nero

February 25th, 2013
12:52 pm

Iceland, an island economy with a population less than Atlanta. Keep flailing and stomping your feet.

getalife

February 25th, 2013
12:53 pm

sam,

Dead wrong as usual.

Nero

February 25th, 2013
12:53 pm

Self-deluded lib. Keep crying.

Doggone/GA

February 25th, 2013
12:53 pm

ErwinsCat will register…try it

williebkind

February 25th, 2013
12:54 pm

“Because of required furloughs and spending reductions for TSA security agents, FAA air traffic controllers, customs agents and other personnel, flight delays of up to four hours are predicted at major airports such as Atlanta’s Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport.”

Why are there delays? Because everyone traveling must bring their clothes closet along with them. If it is so important to have a wardrobe for breakfast, lunch, dinner and entertainment then shut up and go sit for four hours. You cause the delay with all your accessories.

Cordo-Roy

February 25th, 2013
12:54 pm

Wasn’t it Mr. Obama who signed the sequestration legialation into law? Noe HE wants out of it??? Doesn’t compute.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

February 25th, 2013
12:55 pm

Oscar

February 25th, 2013
12:51 pm
Still time to allow some flexibility in the cuts.

Those who believe the smaller the government the btter should, however. This will reduce the size of government. So would firing half our police force and all our firmen. Smaller the better.

====================================================================

SINCE WHEN HAS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HIRED AND FIRED LOCAL POLICE AND FIRE PERSONNEL???

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
12:55 pm

Where is that money coming from in the first place? Is that money just going to disappear….puff gone!
That money will be in the economy where it belongs and not in the president’s or congress’s hands.

Geez… Let’s see. We borrow $.40 of every $1 we spend, right? Cutting $.02 is somehow supposed to remain in the economy? That’s the most ignorant sh*t I’ve seen today. The money ain’t in the economy in the first place, so how in the hell can it remain there?

Jack ®

February 25th, 2013
12:55 pm

I didn’t have time to read all the comments, but surely someone said that the sequestration will put a dent in the impending increases: It’s not a reduction in current spending.

getalife

February 25th, 2013
12:55 pm

There is another way to sign in using different accounts to use your original name.

I will use google and use gotalife.

Get Real

February 25th, 2013
12:55 pm

Jay…you just keep on living in your “Obama is Great” dream world

Bless your heart

Arms Akimbo

February 25th, 2013
12:55 pm

The sequester represents approximately 2% of the annual Obama budget or 9 days of Federal spending. Any competant middle manager could find ways to economize with a $3.6 Trillion budget. Unfortunately, we have come to expect only the partisan blame game from the Obama administration. He is more concerned about setting up his own personal Super-pac than addressing the problems facing the country. Obama reminds me of a story a friend who worked at a too big to fail bank a few years ago told me. My friend said that the bank’s IT dept. had an unwritten rule that you could never actually complete a project. The feeling was that if you accomplshed a goal, then the bank would no longer need you and there would be layoffs. Obama functions in very much the same way. He moves from crisis to crisis, never accepting responsibility, yet always declares that Government is the solution- and there is never any realistic closure. All of this would not be a problem if GDP was growing faster than 2%. At the end of the day, the economy is Obama’s true enemy, not the GOP. All the name calling Axelrod spin games will not alter the fact that the Obama platform has produced one fo the most mediocre periods of U.S. productivity in history.

KEITH

February 25th, 2013
12:55 pm

obama supported sequester before he opposed it. liberals jump on the obama train, then when he crashes the train they blame….the gop.

That Black Guy

February 25th, 2013
12:56 pm

Steve

February 25th, 2013
12:17 pm
When it comes to spending money, Congress is in charge—not the president. If you Confederates are not aware of that, perhaps you ought to take a look at Article I, Section 8 of a little document called the United States Constitution.
_____________________________________
Steve, your post should put an end to posts like:

Bush spent Clinton’s surplus…
Bush’s medicare Part D spent…
Bush’s NCLB cost…

If congress spends the money now, they spent the money *THEN*.

Right?

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
12:56 pm

However, I do think money toward infrastructure is a good idea as long as unions are not receiving the nod to get all the fact juicy high priced contracts. We can do it better and cheaper with more diverse contractors than with unions.

Lockheed says WHAT???

williebkind

February 25th, 2013
12:57 pm

It is up to the media to blame the bad side of the sequester on conservatives and the good things about it is to be given credit to the liberals. Now that is unfair and unbalanced! And you dont get to decide.

getalife

February 25th, 2013
12:57 pm

rush is right.

The libs won.

Deal with it.

stands for decibels

February 25th, 2013
12:57 pm

Tom( Viet Vet-USAF), you say “I’m shocked” because you got no reply to this.

The President and Democrats got the tax increase on the wealthy(high achievers, as some would say), but they now object to the spending cuts as agreed upon earlier. I’m just a simple man(as Bill OReilly would say) but even though this may be painful, doesn’t things have to be cut if you do not have the money to pay for it?

Ok, since you asked nicely, I will reply.

for the bazillionth time: No. This is not a household budget. This is the richest, most powerful nation ever on earth, and if we need to print more money to pay for stuff–money that people are lending to us for free, i.e. less than the rate of inflation–we should continue to do it.

As long as millions of Americans are still out of work and hurting, people who want to work but cannot, I don’t give a crap if the ledgers are filled in with red or black ink, and no responsible American should either.

Alas, no responsible Americans appear to be in charge. As stated earlier, we are ruled by horrible, horrible people.

Nero

February 25th, 2013
12:59 pm

getalife’s histrionic anthem :)

http://youtu.be/ntLsElbW9Xo

BSNBC

February 25th, 2013
12:59 pm

It’s all the Republicans fault even though it was President Obama’s idea!

williebkind

February 25th, 2013
12:59 pm

“Lockheed says WHAT???”

Who is Lockheed?

Erwin's cat

February 25th, 2013
12:59 pm

Well, that certainly blows chunks

I did get “ErwinsCat” to work

getalife

February 25th, 2013
1:00 pm

You should know the global economy depends on credit to keep running.

Government spending keeps our economy growing.

End the spending ends our recovery.

It is not rocket science.

It is common sense.

stands for decibels

February 25th, 2013
1:00 pm

I did get “ErwinsCat” to work

Success. Yay.

see you on the other side, then…

Erwin's cat

February 25th, 2013
1:00 pm

Doggone…great minds and all :D

Granny Godzilla

February 25th, 2013
1:01 pm

williebkind

February 25th, 2013
12:40 pm

When one states the main stream media is to blame for not reporting the truth about Obama, the liberals reply with a list of conservative stations that reaches only portion of the masses. You always hear what the republicans are doing in detail but rarely hear what Obama and the liberal democrats have done.
.
.
.
.
Does your TV only have FOX?

Does your radio only have FOX?

Amazing things happen when one discovers the myriad of media outlets.

Many of us have already figured that out, why not give it a try?

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
1:01 pm

Who is Lockheed?

Is your google broken or is a search engine considered too liberal for you to use? Some of y’all conservatives are the laziest, most ignorant people around.

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/

williebkind

February 25th, 2013
1:02 pm

stands for decibels

February 25th, 2013
12:57 pm

Wow! Unbelievable!!!!!

Soothsayer

February 25th, 2013
1:02 pm

williebkind

February 25th, 2013
1:04 pm

Oh Lockheedmartin! You talking about the small cut in military spending on weapons we really dont need or want. I thought you had a union I did not know about.

williebkind

February 25th, 2013
1:06 pm

I have a rather slow ISP and googling really slows things down. I should start my own blog library so I could cut and paste really neat responses.

I do have the solution

February 25th, 2013
1:06 pm

CUT the ENTIRE salaries of Congressmen, their admin. persons, Senators, their admin. persons, the WHITE HOUSE STAFF, the POTUS,his wife’s ARMY of staffers, their travel schedule and then and ONLY THEN, will they FINALLY understand that taxpayers have had enough.

DEADBEATS always desire producers to support them. MARXISM will NEVER Work, because Russia had almost 90 years of it and it collapsed of it’s own weight.

stands for decibels

February 25th, 2013
1:08 pm

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/02/23/state-medicaid-expansion/1939713/

The recent addition of three governors to the small gang of Republican leaders opting into the Medicaid expansion may represent a tipping point. For economic, moral and health reasons, let’s hope so.

getalife

February 25th, 2013
1:08 pm

“Washington Holding Back Economy, 95 Percent Of Economists Agree” HP

Proceed gop.

That Black Guy

February 25th, 2013
1:08 pm

TiredOfIt

February 25th, 2013
12:32 pm
++
And when you, leave grab Ted Cruz while your at it.
______________________________
You seem really butthurt over Ted Cruz (a JUNIOR Senator with NO power).

Did he use you and then didn’t call like he promised?

stands for decibels

February 25th, 2013
1:09 pm

I do have the solution

no, you don’t. You have emotion and little else.

Nero

February 25th, 2013
1:10 pm

Time to shut off the credit spigot. It’s over. Adapt or keep crying.

hind tit

February 25th, 2013
1:10 pm

Everything that’s been said is on record for the last four years and most of it’s on video tape and who said it but nobody likes to talk about that. Why is that?

Rightwing Troll

February 25th, 2013
1:10 pm

“Still waiting on the outrage from the left and Bookman on this. I remember when it was $1.80, and the looney left, including Jay, wanted Bush impeached.

My oh my…how the times have changed. Or…is it still Bush’s fault?”

Oh yeah… PLEASE bring back 2007 and that $1.80/gal gas…

Lying crank,
If you had a modicum of understanding on economics, you’d see that the $1.80/gal gas during the Bush economic meltdown was bad, and that today’s prices show the economy is recovering quite nicely. The simple fact that big oil is back up to it’s old tricks, raising gas prices just before spring break driving season commences, shows how they believe the economy is strong enough to go back to raping us (legitimately) and reaping record profits while blaming it all on liberals and regulations…

Granny Godzilla

February 25th, 2013
1:10 pm

Groucho Marxism?

Working since 1890…

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
1:11 pm

You talking about the small cut in military spending on weapons we really dont need or want. I thought you had a union I did not know about.

NO, I’m talking about unions benefitting from those “fact juicy high priced contracts” that you were bitching about earlier. Just who do you think puts those F-22’s and C-130’s together? It damn sure ain’t white collar workers in suits. If you think “We can do it better and cheaper with more diverse contractors than with unions”, then why don’t you try selling that crap in Marietta, GA? I would pay good money for a ticket to see you spout that stuff up there.

NotME

February 25th, 2013
1:12 pm

Besides Meals on Wheels not too bad.

Steve

February 25th, 2013
1:14 pm

I’m telling you, you Confederates will be the first ones screaming when these cuts directly affect you and your personal economy. But hey, keep voting for tax cuts for the wealthy!

Steve

February 25th, 2013
1:15 pm

Now back to the REAL WORLD:

“President Barack Obama’s deficit reduction plan, which includes new revenues in addition to spending cuts, would be a “much better course, economically and substantively” than the sequester, Furman said. The president’s proposal would achieve $1.8 trillion in deficit reduction, made up of roughly $1.1 trillion in spending cuts and $680 billion in new revenues drawn from limiting deductions and closing tax loopholes for the wealthiest Americans.

White House senior advisor Dan Pfeiffer said the blame will fall squarely on House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) if the sequester kicks in, since they aren’t budging in accepting new revenues that stem from higher taxes on the wealthy.

“Republicans are making a policy choice that these are cuts are better for the economy than closing loopholes that benefit the wealthy,” Pfeiffer said on the same call Sunday. The American people, he said, “overwhelmingly disagree with that choice.”"

straitroad

February 25th, 2013
1:16 pm

Marty Huggins'

February 25th, 2013
1:18 pm

2.4%

Really we can’t deal with 2.4% less?

Please don’t give me the scalpel approach,
We heard way back in ‘08 that Obama intended to use a scalpel with the budget.

But after 4+ and no biopsies or surgical procedures he has instead offed up an amputated toe and a finger.

getalife

February 25th, 2013
1:18 pm

Velshi just called jindal a liar on cnn.

Too funny :)

Oscar

February 25th, 2013
1:19 pm

Across the board cuts with no discretion always make for poor results. Four more – or is it three – to make some sensible changes, If anyone is interest in doing something sensible. Sometimes does not appear to be anyone home.

Oscar

February 25th, 2013
1:20 pm

four or three more dyas, that is.

Chip Shirley

February 25th, 2013
1:20 pm

Black Reagan, don’t wear a mask,
Black Reagan kickin rightwinger’s ass

Obama's vision is ....

February 25th, 2013
1:20 pm

To hire more cops, more teachers. Yes, hire more just like the recently arrested bad cops and the scum APS teachers and DeKalb teachers and DeKalb Board of Education trash.

THAT is the vision of our empty headed POTUS.

CASE CLOSED.

Oscar

February 25th, 2013
1:21 pm

Marty – we can do with a whole lot less than – less just needs to come to the right places. And some places could use more – think border patrol,

getalife

February 25th, 2013
1:24 pm

They will wait until the last minute like last time.

The gop numbers are matherbation again.

The gop will cave again

It is time for the gop to surrender and get out of the way.

Nobama

February 25th, 2013
1:26 pm

Couldnt happen to a nicer group – probably the only way His Highness will cut spending. Nobama was for it before he was against it ! Bite Me Jayboy

Marty Huggins'

February 25th, 2013
1:26 pm

Oscar
February 25th, 2013
1:21 pm

I would like to think so.

But as a guy who before ever getting to the white house was advocating a scalpel approach but has been unable to do so then advocates for amputation maybe just maybe he knows that’s either all that can get done or what is best for the body as a whole.

Steve

February 25th, 2013
1:28 pm

So – the GOP refused to cooperate with the President. The President forces Congress to actually do something by implementing a stop gap measure nobody should resort to. GOP Congress won’t budge and close tax loopholes on the already corporate welfare hungry wealthy, and here we are.

Shame on you, GOP. Americans aren’t that stupid – your days ruling the House are numbered. And polls prove it.

Doggone/GA

February 25th, 2013
1:29 pm

“probably the only way His Highness will cut spending”

It’s always easy to tell who failed Social Studies. What’s so puzzling is why they have to come here in such number to admit it.

Regnad Kcin

February 25th, 2013
1:30 pm

“Groucho Marxism?”

Now that’s the most ridiculous thing i EVER heard (wiggle eyebrows & shake cigar…)

TBS: Posting on weekends so PD can cry on Monday

February 25th, 2013
1:30 pm

“Bite Me Jayboy”?

Really?

Nero

February 25th, 2013
1:30 pm

getalife

February 25th, 2013
1:30 pm

“Nations imposing harsh austerity suffered deep economic downturns; the harsher the austerity, the deeper the downturn. Indeed, this relationship has been so strong that the International Monetary Fund, in a striking mea culpa, admitted that it had underestimated the damage austerity would inflict.

Meanwhile, austerity hasn’t even achieved the minimal goal of reducing debt burdens. Instead, countries pursuing harsh austerity have seen the ratio of debt to G.D.P. rise, because the shrinkage in their economies has outpaced any reduction in the rate of borrowing. And because austerity policies haven’t been offset by expansionary policies elsewhere, the European economy as a whole — which never had much of a recovery from the slump of 2008-9 — is back in recession, with unemployment marching ever higher. ” Krugman.

So Italy will reelect bung bunga.

See why the Sicilians hate them?

indigo

February 25th, 2013
1:31 pm

Obama’s – 1:20

Here’s a tip – Those who are the most likely to say “case closed” are the least likely to know what the f*ck they are talking about.

Marty Huggins'

February 25th, 2013
1:31 pm

Nobama
February 25th, 2013
1:26 pm

Actually he was against it before he was for it before he was against it.

Kinda sounds like a bad parent:

He makes a threat to the child(congress) and then either he didn’t think through what he was saying or he doesn’t have the pair to follow through on his threat

simple math

February 25th, 2013
1:31 pm

Simply eliminate the TSA who have never caught a single terrorist. If we need more budget cuts eliminate the DEA.

Real Scootter

February 25th, 2013
1:32 pm

Hey y’all,just got back from Galloway’s place to register.It wasn’t as bad as I thought it would be.I didn’t post a pic though cause I don’t know how to do it yet.

It wouldn’t let me use “Real Scootter” so in the future I will be “SFM_Scotter”

This is a Public Service Announcement! :grin:

Steve

February 25th, 2013
1:32 pm

“Meanwhile, austerity hasn’t even achieved the minimal goal of reducing debt burdens. Instead, countries pursuing harsh austerity have seen the ratio of debt to G.D.P. rise, because the shrinkage in their economies has outpaced any reduction in the rate of borrowing.”

Exactly what the wealthy conservatives (who have conned the rednecks into believing anything they say) want to do to our country.

appleseed

February 25th, 2013
1:33 pm

The Repugs goal was to make him a one term president.Working with others don’t mean kissing their a&&.These old white dudes just can’t accept the president.They would rather destroy the country than work with him.Get with it,and folks will remember come election time.

Marty Huggins'

February 25th, 2013
1:33 pm

getalife
February 25th, 2013
1:30 pm

Is 2.4% really harsh austerity or severe?

Really 2.4%?

One could say this is limited austerity?

Granny Godzilla

February 25th, 2013
1:33 pm

Regnad Kcin

February 25th, 2013
1:30 pm

“Groucho Marxism?”

Now that’s the most ridiculous thing i EVER heard (wiggle eyebrows & shake cigar…)
.
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“I never met a man I didn’t like, but in your case I’ll make an exception”

~ Groucho Jefferson

TaxPayer

February 25th, 2013
1:34 pm

It’s always easy to tell who failed Social Studies. What’s so puzzling is why they have to come here in such number to admit it.

It’s certainly not because they intend to impress us with their math and science skills instead.

getalife

February 25th, 2013
1:35 pm

Steve,

I don’t think our cons understand what austerity did to the EU?

I think it is too complicated for them to research.

Steve

February 25th, 2013
1:36 pm

@getalife

They are absolutely braindead when it comes to common sense and reality, and forums like this actually prove that.

getalife

February 25th, 2013
1:36 pm

Marty,

I am for job growth for consumers not cuts to make cons feel better.

cuterbation.

stands for decibels

February 25th, 2013
1:37 pm

Really we can’t deal with 2.4% less?

We can, but we don’t have to shoot ourselves in the foot, so it would be stupid to shoot ourselves in the foot just because… well, nobody has actually explained why it is a smart thing to cut spending when you have unemployment close to 8% and a recovery from the worst economic hit this country’s taken in 3/4 of a century still in its infancy. Maybe you can do that. Go ahead, explain why we need to, as “Nero” so artfully puts it, “turn off the credit spigot.”

(Keep in mind we’ve been running some sort of a debt since 1835, by the way.)

That Black Guy

February 25th, 2013
1:39 pm

Steve

February 25th, 2013
1:15 pm
Now back to the REAL WORLD:

“President Barack Obama’s deficit reduction plan, which includes new revenues in addition to spending cuts, would be a “much better course, economically and substantively” than the sequester, Furman said. The president’s proposal would achieve $1.8 trillion in deficit reduction, made up of roughly $1.1 trillion in spending cuts and $680 billion in new revenues drawn from limiting deductions and closing tax loopholes for the wealthiest Americans.

White House senior advisor Dan Pfeiffer said the blame will fall squarely on House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) if the sequester kicks in, since they aren’t budging in accepting new revenues that stem from higher taxes on the wealthy.

“Republicans are making a policy choice that these are cuts are better for the economy than closing loopholes that benefit the wealthy,” Pfeiffer said on the same call Sunday. The American people, he said, “overwhelmingly disagree with that choice.””
_________________________
Democrats blame Republicians…

I’m :shock: ed…

:shock: ed I tells ya. :roll:

Scooter

February 25th, 2013
1:39 pm

It is convenient to say The Obama proposed the sequester as a last ditch effort, but I certainly don’t remember a slew of other proposals to reduce spending. It is humorous to listen back on the audio of The Obama saying he would veto any bill aimed at averting his deal. Certainly seems he tried to take the republicrats on a snipe hunt to get his increased revenues with promises of spending cuts later. He proposed the idea and now doesn’t want the responsibility of it… nothing new. Democrats’ soft bigotry of low expectations are on display again.

patacake

February 25th, 2013
1:39 pm

Aren’t all of the people losing jobs eligible to apply for Unemployment Benefits from their state ?
If they are eligible, will Georgia have to try to borrow from the federal government, as they did last year, in order to pay the thousands of new claimants ?

getalife

February 25th, 2013
1:40 pm

Steve,

They are intellectually lazy so they believe what uncredible rw media tells them to believe.

I had to work on my tolerance but it is frustrating .

Jefferson

February 25th, 2013
1:41 pm

Judd already has 40% support and is not even running yet, the GOP is scared these days…

Marty Huggins'

February 25th, 2013
1:41 pm

getalife
February 25th, 2013
1:36 pm

Well that’s odd you didn’t seem to oppose the cuts as Obama proposed them, your objection only became present of them on this blog once Obama flip flopped and opposed them.

How do tax increases create jobs?

We need tax increases but not because they will create jobs.

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
1:42 pm

We can, but we don’t have to shoot ourselves in the foot, so it would be stupid to shoot ourselves in the foot just because

Dude, don’t you hear that Benny Hill chase music every time one of these numpties post some dumb sh*t? We HAVE to shoot our foot off to save our knee, or is it to save us from the knee grow. I get confused.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

getalife

February 25th, 2013
1:43 pm

“Judd already has 40% support and is not even running yet, the GOP is scared these days…”

It makes the turtle cave and she should run.

stands for decibels

February 25th, 2013
1:43 pm

Why should we reduce spending?

Note that I did not say we should reduce actual waste. If we can phase out redundant weapons systems, make American doctors work for some kind of reasonable wage as opposed to what their union association manages to squeeze out of us, if we can negotiate pharma prices like every other civilized nation already does, etc., then we should do it. Humanely, through legislative negotiation, over a reasonable timespan to lessen the impact to people affected.

But to just cut spending because some people, apparently, continue to think the American economy is the same as a household’s? I honestly don’t get that. I honestly don’t understand why sentient adults with IQs >, say, 85 or 90, continue to think that cutting spending is noble.

stands for decibels

February 25th, 2013
1:45 pm

or is it to save us from the knee grow

I’m SO flashing back to Blazing Saddles, and Cleavon Little holding a gun to himself and saying… well, you know.

Granny Godzilla

February 25th, 2013
1:46 pm

Scooter

February 25th, 2013
1:39 pm

It is convenient to say The Obama proposed the sequester as a last ditch effort, but I certainly don’t remember a slew of other proposals to reduce spending
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Improve your news gathering or try Aricept

getalife

February 25th, 2013
1:46 pm

“But to just cut spending because some people, apparently, continue to think the American economy is the same as a household’s.”

Household do not pay cash for their houses, cars, college, etc….

They use credit.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
1:46 pm

I honestly don’t understand why sentient adults with IQs >, say, 85 or 90, continue to think that cutting spending is noble.

The economy will return to recession and we will spend the next x months hearing how Obama is turrible for the economy.

guy

February 25th, 2013
1:46 pm

All these back and forths. This country has spent money it didn’t have ,especially on deadbeats and aid to foreign countries. Now some worthy programs will be affected. We will see.

Marty Huggins'

February 25th, 2013
1:48 pm

stands for decibels
February 25th, 2013
1:43 pm

People disagree about what is and what is not waste.

If we expect people to listen to and respect our opinions we have to give legitimacy to and respect the opinions of others.

Your waste is not everyone’s waste nor is my definition of waste the same as everyone’s or yours and there are many others out there who would define waste differing from my version or your version.

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 25th, 2013
1:48 pm

These Democrat Neo-cons like Bookman and Eliot Engel are gonna bankrupt us all————————
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“I will be introducing legislation to allow the president to arm the rebels,” Rep. Eliot Engel (D-N.Y.) said on ABC’s This Week. “I think it’s time to do that. I think the Free Syria Army needs help. We know who they are and I think it’s time we make that move.”

The comments follow revelations that top administration officials – including Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, former CIA director David Petraeus and chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Martin Dempsey – have supported such a move since last year. Officials inside the White House, however, caution that weapons, in particular shoulder-fired missiles, could fall into the hands of Islamist extremists.

Conditions inside Syria have steadily deteriorated over the past 23 months despite the $385 million in U.S humanitarian aid, with at least 70,000 people killed to date. Al Qaeda-linked Islamists have made gains within the rebellion, and the opposition leadership on Saturday announced that it was boycotting a meeting of international leaders – including Secretary of State John Kerry – at a summit of the so-called “Friends of Syria” next week in Rome.

Read more: http://thehill.com/video/sunday-shows/284551-top-democrat
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lol

VinnyD

February 25th, 2013
1:49 pm

Good start. Cut more. If you make $20 a week, you can’t spend $40 every week. Not rocket science. Both sides are too blame, not just dems. When you run up your credit cards, you have to live on rice and beans for a while to get back to even.

Doggone/GA

February 25th, 2013
1:49 pm

“make American doctors work for some kind of reasonable wage as opposed to what their union association manages to squeeze out of us”

I heard a report about just that subject this weekend, discussing allowing more foreign doctors into this country. One thing they made CRYSTAL CLEAR is that one very BIG reason American doctors make so much more money then for foreign counterparts is the size of their student loan debts. In many other countries (the report didn’t specify) doctors get their training at greatly reduced rates, or for free…so they can afford to take lower incomes.

Regnad Kcin

February 25th, 2013
1:50 pm

“I’m SO flashing back to Blazing Saddles, and Cleavon Little holding a gun to himself and saying… well, you know”

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“Won’t somebody help that poor man?”

“That’s a sure way to get him killed!”

middle of the road

February 25th, 2013
1:50 pm

So, Jay, you are saying that a 2% cut in the FFA will shut down some airports AND increase wait times in large airports? I can’t see how that could be – if EVERY bit of savings came from furloughed workers, that would be 1 out of every 50 workers.

Congress needs to pass a quick law (and hopefully Obama would sign it – I voted for him) that says all sequester money must be aligned to create the LEAST disruption. It seems like right now departments are trying to make the cuts where they will do the MOST damage, so they can rail against the cuts. If we cannot cut 2%, even in these times, we are in deep financial trouble.

appleseed

February 25th, 2013
1:50 pm

With the repugs stubornness seems to be a plus quality.Teaquesters will rise and conquer.

Kim

February 25th, 2013
1:52 pm

You all can laugh & point the finger all you want, but as someone who WILL be affected by the sequester (single female, one-income HH), let me assure you it won’t just be those of us immediately impacted. If I am forced to take a day of furlough a week (=20% cut in pay), I will lose my house. Which means it will go into foreclosure affecting all of my neighbors and hopefully some of you hateful Georgia people.

Ivan

February 25th, 2013
1:52 pm

“Just who do you think puts those F-22’s and C-130’s together?”

You’re proving his point that military spending would be cheaper on such projects

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
1:52 pm

dB

I thought about posting that clip too!! Great minds, huh??? :)

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
1:54 pm

Doggone

That was one of my suggestions for reforming our healthcare system. Remove the financial burden of schooling, and the labor costs can be greatly reduced.

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 25th, 2013
1:55 pm

The neocon Godfather Bill Kristol… on Obama asking for advice…………….back in 2010—————
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‘He didn’t come to me for help, of course,’ Kristol said. ‘I’m not going to acknowledge that. He came to me to make sure I was supporting his sound policies. Of course, since his sound policies are more like the policies people like me have been advocating for quite a while, I’m happy to support them. He’s a born-again neo-con…. What’s the joke – they told me if I voted for McCain, we’d be going to war in a third Muslim country? I voted for McCain and we’re doing it.”
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Somewhere in the Section 8 WhiteHouse……………Obama and Reggie Luv ……….are laughing.

curious

February 25th, 2013
1:56 pm

For all of you saying 2.4% cut is easy, where were you when SS went back to its original rate?

Paul

February 25th, 2013
1:56 pm

Appleseed

The tone of your post will resonate with those who have fallen off the turnip truck.

Erwin's cat

February 25th, 2013
1:57 pm

For all of you saying 2.4% cut is easy, where were you when SS went back to its original rate?

didn’t even notice

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
1:58 pm

Congress needs to pass a quick law (and hopefully Obama would sign it – I voted for him) that says all sequester money must be aligned to create the LEAST disruption. It seems like right now departments are trying to make the cuts where they will do the MOST damage, so they can rail against the cuts.

The departments currently have NO say in how the cuts fall. Congress determined that in their original legislation so that the idea would be so bad that they would come to some kind of agreement.

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 25th, 2013
1:58 pm

Kim

February 25th, 2013
1:52 pm

You all can laugh & point the finger all you want, but as someone who WILL be affected by the sequester (single female, one-income HH), let me assure you it won’t just be those of us immediately impacted. If I am forced to take a day of furlough a week (=20% cut in pay), I will lose my house. Which means it will go into foreclosure affecting all of my neighbors and hopefully some of you hateful Georgia people.
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You Should have voted for Ron Paul.
Uncle Sam makes a TERRIBLE husband.

getalife

February 25th, 2013
1:59 pm

ron paul is gone.

Move on con.

Erwin's cat

February 25th, 2013
1:59 pm

Congress determined that in their original legislation so that the idea would be so bad that they would come to some kind of agreement.

they over-estimated themselves…again

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
2:00 pm

You’re proving his point that military spending would be cheaper on such projects

That was not his point. He made a statement about not awarding “fact” :lol: contracts to unions. Yet, awarding such contracts to defense contractors does exactly that. Very seldom will you ever hear one of these righties rail against unions AND include those defense contractors that use unionized labor in their rants.

Marty Huggins'

February 25th, 2013
2:00 pm

curious
February 25th, 2013
1:56 pm

I was fine with it. Didn’t really notice.

Did it upset you? Does this 2.4% upset you?

getalife

February 25th, 2013
2:02 pm

The sequester is a attempt for congress to do their job on spending.

The gop refuse to do their job and should be fired.

Granny Godzilla

February 25th, 2013
2:02 pm

Off topic but worth a look…

Mitt Romney Adviser Stuart Stevens: Media Not ‘In The Tank’ For Obama (VIDEO)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
2:02 pm

How will sequestration effect the SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS! ?

Doggone/GA

February 25th, 2013
2:02 pm

“It seems like right now departments are trying to make the cuts where they will do the MOST damage”

No, they aren’t. The law REQUIRES the cuts to be EVERYWHERE, except the entitlements Jay has already noted. They have no choice in where to cut.

Granny Godzilla

February 25th, 2013
2:02 pm

jwc

February 25th, 2013
2:03 pm

This and many more “sequestration” (spending reductions) along with tax increases are sure to take place as long as the American people demand taxes to be X and total government services to be X+40%. The math is simple, predictable, and we can blather onward about who pays, who’s to blame and all the rest. But if we are to get a handle on debt, it has to be. There is no magic, no silver bullet, no growth plan that can get around the arithmetic.

Erwin's cat

February 25th, 2013
2:04 pm

Kim – I haven’t heard that there would be 52 days of furlough…I have heard of about 8-15 days

curious

February 25th, 2013
2:04 pm

Marty Huggins’

“I was fine with it. Didn’t really notice.

Did it upset you? Does this 2.4% upset you?”

Me neither, but apparently a lot of folks diagreed.

2.4% isn’t much, on the surface, but when it starts impacting defense contractors, expect some “sky is falling” rhetoric.

TiredOfIt

February 25th, 2013
2:05 pm

That Black Guy
February 25th, 2013
1:08 pm

TiredOfIt

February 25th, 2013
12:32 pm
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And when you, leave grab Ted Cruz while your at it.
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You seem really butthurt over Ted Cruz (a JUNIOR Senator with NO power).

Did he use you and then didn’t call like he promised?
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Come on, he is the new face of the republican party. You know, the one that is changing it’s image. I think old Ted is good representative for GOP.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
2:05 pm

Oops, “affect” not “effect’.

Doggone/GA

February 25th, 2013
2:06 pm

“I will lose my house. Which means it will go into foreclosure affecting all of my neighbors and hopefully some of you hateful Georgia people.”

Kim – contact your mortgage holder NOW and let them know your situation. You may be able to work out a lowering of your payments, temporarily.

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 25th, 2013
2:07 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
2:02 pm

How will sequestration effect the SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS! ?
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It will make us stronger…………………….as does any reduction in the wealth stolen by the Federales makes………….decent society stronger.
2 million dollars to assacinate 16 year old American kids……….just…………….doesn’t make sense.
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Forward Decency!

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
2:08 pm

EC @ 2:04

It differs from agency to agency. I’ve seen where some agencies are thinking one day a week through October, which would be around 25-30 if they count March.

TBS: Posting on weekends so PD can cry on Monday

February 25th, 2013
2:09 pm

Thomas

And don’t forget those folks at that wedding in WI?

Kim

February 25th, 2013
2:09 pm

20 days of furlough over the next 5 months.
Ron Paul? No thank you.
Doggone, thanks, have done that.

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
2:09 pm

RON PAUL ***!!!!!

insert name for female canines @ ***

Sargent Schriver

February 25th, 2013
2:10 pm

“Most media reports omit the fact that sequestration is a reduction in the amount of increase….”

Jay and other BO minion nitwits. You folks make it so easy for the Dem party. It doesn’t even have to make sense or even add up and you just continue to repeat everything Bloated Gibbs,Bloated Maddow,Bloated Ed, and Bloated Mathews say. All their rants and phrases; as the famous Beverly HillsCops line goes: You just have your badges and your guns and you don’t know nothing. I can watch 1 segment of Fat Maddow and know the next day what I’m ging to hear the nitwits yelling on the boards. Bunch of Give Me Something for Nothing Weazles.

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 25th, 2013
2:11 pm

Weddings in WI or Pakistan.
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Decenct people do not see a difference when it comes to red-misted women and children.
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Not to mention the first-responders that showed up to care for what was left.
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I’ll never understand the Progressive blood-lust………………………thank God.

JamVet

February 25th, 2013
2:12 pm

He would have been 70 years old today…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6j4TGqVl5g

bman.

February 25th, 2013
2:12 pm

“20 days of furlough over the next 5 months.”

A lot of people would probably like this deal. I would!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
2:12 pm

It doesn’t even have to make sense or even add up and you just continue to repeat everything Bloated Gibbs,Bloated Maddow,Bloated Ed, and Bloated Mathews say.

Dittoheads say, “What?”

too little time

February 25th, 2013
2:13 pm

You all can laugh & point the finger all you want, but as someone who WILL be affected by the sequester (single female, one-income HH), let me assure you it won’t just be those of us immediately impacted. If I am forced to take a day of furlough a week (=20% cut in pay), I will lose my house. Which means it will go into foreclosure affecting all of my neighbors and hopefully some of you hateful Georgia people

Waa-waa. Sorry, Kim, but I lost my job and took a 30% pay cut in 2009. I came very close to losing my house, too. So what you are experiencing, as a recipient of government money, is what the REST of us in the private (non-military industrial complex) have been dealing with for years.

The fact is, if you are dependent on the government you have a rocky road ahead of you for the forseeable future. The government credit card is getting charged up the the max, and government employees (or private employees dependent on the government for contracts) will be looking at pink slips for years to come.

TBS: Posting on weekends so PD can cry on Monday

February 25th, 2013
2:14 pm

Thomas

What is the latest on Alex Jones and Bloomberg’s henchmen? They still after him? Did Alex have to go into hiding?

middle of the road

February 25th, 2013
2:14 pm

” If I am forced to take a day of furlough a week (=20% cut in pay),”

Why would you be forced to take 1 out of every five days in furlough? Would it not make more sense to RIF i out of every 5 people. Then they would be eligible for unemployment, and if they are going to lose their house, then only 1 in 5 do so.

Welcome to the Occupation

February 25th, 2013
2:17 pm

getalife: “Velshi just called jindal a liar on cnn.

Too funny :)

He better watch it, or he’ll end up going the way of Soledad O’Brien, eased out the back door.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
2:17 pm

Waa-waa. Sorry, Kim, but I lost my job and took a 30% pay cut in 2009.

Just 30%?

You were lucky.

I lost 100% and had to walk 15 miles barefoot in the snow – uphill both ways! – to pay 4 years of my future earnings just to have them fire me.

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
2:17 pm

A lot of people would probably like this deal. I would!

You’re likely in a financial situation where you can survive that with no problem. Others might not be so lucky. No two people live in the same exact conditions.

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 25th, 2013
2:17 pm

Brosephus™ – Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
2:09 pm

RON PAUL ***!!!!!

insert name for female canines @ ***
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Barry Obama++++++++++!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Insert Retarded Barney Fife here@###

JamVet

February 25th, 2013
2:20 pm

…if you are dependent on the government…

This phrase always strike me as being in that category of, “You’re talking but you’re not saying anything.”

F. Sinkwich

February 25th, 2013
2:21 pm

Spending cuts will not be traded for tax increases. Period.

O’bozo got his higher taxes with zero cuts. Now it’s cut time.

JamVet

February 25th, 2013
2:23 pm

“Oh, we used to dream of living in a corridor!”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
2:24 pm

O’bozo**

**Witchie-poo spam. All rights reserved.

bman.

February 25th, 2013
2:24 pm

“You’re likely in a financial situation where you can survive that with no problem. Others might not be so lucky. No two people live in the same exact conditions.”

I’m not a financial planner, but there is a way for people to manage the problem. There’s always a way…and in most cases, it doesn’t have to be so painful.

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
2:25 pm

Would it not make more sense to RIF i out of every 5 people. Then they would be eligible for unemployment

Then, you would hear conservatives bitching about unemployment going up. No matter what happens, Obama’s going to be painted as the bad guy.

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Heyward

Awwwwww, did I touch a nerve there? Have you put down your deposit on Glenn Beck’s “Freedom Island” yet?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

stands for decibels

February 25th, 2013
2:27 pm

I can watch 1 segment of Fat Maddow

I’ve heard Rachel called a lot of things (mostly inaccurate), but… fat?

RB from Gwinnett

February 25th, 2013
2:28 pm

We all took a 2% cut in pay when our tax burden returned to it’s level of 2 years ago back in January, just as the federal government is required to do under this plan. For most of us, our mortgage/rent is the largest budget item in our homes and is one we cannot touch. Equate that to social security and medicare in the federal example.

What’s left? Can’t short the power bill, gas bill, water bill, garbage service, cable bill, phone bill, internet service, so lump those items in with SS/Medicare.

With those items being probably 90+% of most people’s budget, that 2% reduction in pay has to come from that 10% left over, or a 20% cut in every American’s “discretionary” spending. Yet, how many of them do you see playing this silly BS game like Bookman and the loony left?

And all the while, everybody’s healthcare went up a few percentage points and gas us going through the roof. If every working American has been able to figure this out, so can the dam government. Quit whining and trying to scare people, man up, and do the dam job.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 25th, 2013
2:28 pm

missmiss

February 25th, 2013
2:31 pm

I wonder how the politicians would have felt if we didn’t vote becasuse we didn’t approve of the nominees?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 25th, 2013
2:32 pm

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
2:32 pm

I’m not a financial planner, but there is a way for people to manage the problem.

If all else fails, one can simply eat lead. Instant problem solver there. Unfortunately, life isn’t always neat and organized. Most people, government workers included, have very little savings to tide them over in cases such as this. They may very well be able to survive the pay cut, but all it takes is a car accident or some other financial issue, and then they’re f**ked with no recourse.

In a country as wealthy as ours, we should not even have these kinds of discussions. The problem arises because, as wealthy as the country is, more and more of it is being controlled by fewer and fewer. Someone making $50,000 in Cottonfield, Alabama could better survive such a cut as opposed to someone making $50,000 in New York City.

That’s why I understand and empathize with those who are worried about these cuts. Some of us, for ethical requirements, can’t simply go out and get a 2nd job to make ends meet. That adds another layer of problems to things. I’ve worked 2 full-time jobs before, putting in right at 80 hours a week, just to keep a roof over my family’s head. If I wasn’t ok, I’d be screwed as I’m restricted on the kind of outside employment that I can take on, plus I’d have to get approval for the job.

Drudge

February 25th, 2013
2:33 pm

We’ll just keep doing this in perpetuity and things will ultimately work out, right? Forward.

Regnad Kcin

February 25th, 2013
2:34 pm

“O’bozo got his higher taxes with zero cuts. Now it’s cut time.”

You really don’t have a clue, do you? Pick up a newspaper or something, for gods’ sakes. Such ignorance is astounding!

Erwin's cat

February 25th, 2013
2:35 pm

What’s left? Can’t short the power bill, gas bill, water bill, garbage service, cable bill, phone bill, internet service,

You can…turn down the thermostat, turn down the lights,etc, conserve water, cancel cable, cut off 1 phone if you have a land and mobile, and cancel the internet service (If you need it go to starbucks and hangout on their wifi for fee)…

Doggone/GA

February 25th, 2013
2:35 pm

“If I wasn’t ok, I’d be screwed as I’m restricted on the kind of outside employment that I can take on, plus I’d have to get approval for the job.”

And to be blunt about it, for every person working more than one job there’s one or more people not working any.

Jefferson

February 25th, 2013
2:36 pm

Wrong sink, revenue rolls again…

Doggone/GA

February 25th, 2013
2:37 pm

“Such ignorance is astounding!”

Going on what gets posted here regulary, I’d say it’s tpical…not astounding

Welcome to the Occupation

February 25th, 2013
2:37 pm

“O’bozo got his higher taxes with zero cuts. Now it’s cut time”

Now it’s cut time? For the president who is going to have slashed government to levels not seen since the Eisenhower years?

Have you been paying no attention to ANYTHING?

I seriously think if I were running this blog I would institute quarantines for blatant ignorance of this kind. 2 days time in moderation for repeated offenses. Contributes zilch to any kind of debate. Unbelievable.

Doggone/GA

February 25th, 2013
2:38 pm

“What’s left? Can’t short the power bill, gas bill, water bill, garbage service, cable bill, phone bill, internet service,”

YOu might be surprised at how willing some or all of those might be to help you …IF you let them know it advance that you might be facing a cut in income, especially if it’s a temporary cut.

F. Sinkwich

February 25th, 2013
2:41 pm

“For the president who is going to have slashed government to levels not seen since the Eisenhower years?”

Not intended to be a factual statement. **

** KammieSpam. All rights reserved.

Welcome to the Occupation

February 25th, 2013
2:41 pm

One thing’s for sure. If I were Jay Bookman, I would NOT subscribe to this liberal faith that people repeating garbage without censure or challenge to their ability to just keep saying it like it true will ultimately expose the perpetrator for the ignoramus he is and lead to his being shunned. I don’t believe that for second. Truth does NOT just drive out garbage by some mystical law. It has to be cut back occasionally — like weeds in a garden.

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
2:41 pm

And to be blunt about it, for every person working more than one job there’s one or more people not working any.

Yep. If government jobs paid as people “think” they did, you wouldn’t have people getting fired and sent to jail for taking $2000 bribes and stuff like that. I love it how some like to talk about how you can’t get fired in the public sector and get all kinds of sweet benefits, yet they won’t sniff at a government job when challenged to accept employment as a gov’t worker.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
2:42 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 25th, 2013
2:43 pm

Oh great, just what this blog needs, more weedcons whacking away. :roll:

Welcome to the Occupation

February 25th, 2013
2:44 pm

“For the president who is going to have slashed government to levels not seen since the Eisenhower years?”

Not intended to be a factual statement. **”

Yesss.

And are you going to just sit there with that dumb look, expecting me to read your mind, or are you going to venture an argument?

stands for decibels

February 25th, 2013
2:44 pm

Now it’s cut time?

I think he left out a letter.

Granny Godzilla

February 25th, 2013
2:44 pm

F. Sinkwich

February 25th, 2013
2:41 pm

“For the president who is going to have slashed government to levels not seen since the Eisenhower years?”

Not intended to be a factual statement. **

** KammieSpam. All rights reserved.
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Actually Mr. F, it is accurate.

bman.

February 25th, 2013
2:45 pm

Bro .. .. You’re trying to paint a picture that it’s impossible to adjust. I don’t mean to take a jab at you here, but you post on this board often. And if you’re at work posting here, well….you know where I’m going with that.

btw ….Multitasking is being counterproductive. I think that’s called task-switching.

getalife

February 25th, 2013
2:45 pm

filky has never been right so he is consistent.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 25th, 2013
2:50 pm

getalife — “filky has never been right so he is consistent.”

One can’t expect accuracy or honesty from a Fishwich. All that tartar sauce gets in the way.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
2:55 pm

filky has never been right so he is consistent.

Witchie-poo.

stands for decibels

February 25th, 2013
2:55 pm

Decent news analysis, terrible headline:

Average Americans are feeling pain of U.S. debt

No, L.A. Times, they are not feeling pain of the U.S. debt. They are feeling pain of idiotic plans to address a nonexistent debt crisis.

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
2:55 pm

You’re trying to paint a picture that it’s impossible to adjust. I don’t mean to take a jab at you here, but you post on this board often. And if you’re at work posting here, well….you know where I’m going with that.

I’m not saying that it’s impossible. I’m saying that one can’t determine the outcome for everybody when you don’t know their personal situation. Yep, I post here often, and right now, I’m on leave because of the birth of my 2nd child. Poke away if you feel that you must. My job details vary by day, even by hour. Some days it’s like watching paint dry while other days I don’t even get a chance to stop long enough to grab a bite to eat or drink.

F. Sinkwich

February 25th, 2013
2:55 pm

“One can’t expect accuracy or honesty from a Fishwich. All that tartar sauce gets in the way.”

The mushroom gun is a smoking cloud. **

** well, you know by now…

Oscar

February 25th, 2013
2:56 pm

Our health care system, including insurance companies, doctors and hospitals and medicar; social security and defnce is where we nee to cut waste and trim the budget. Do it accross the board if it has to be done that way. That would be better than doing nothing at all.

And the aircraft carrier Trumen. Keep it in the Gulf of Mexico or in port in Florida. Those people in Asia it would be going to protect, bring them all home. Station them in the southeast where thay belong. W was right in spending his time protecting South Alabama. That’s where he needed to be.

robert goulet

February 25th, 2013
2:57 pm

Occupation: Really? First, you are wrong. Obama has not “slashed government to levels not seen since the Eisenhower years.” He increased government spending by levels we have not seen since the Eisenhower years. Here is some background: Obama came to office not long after the enormous TARP program was enacted. The TARP program was a one-off emergency spending measure. Obama then continued to spend at the “emergency” levels (actually increased by 1.5%). To say that he grew government spending at levels not seen since Eisenhower is factually accurate, but it does not tell the whole story. Sounds kind of similar to the argument that Obama proposed the sequester, right?

Peadawg

February 25th, 2013
2:57 pm

“nonexistent debt crisis”

Bless your heart.

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
2:57 pm

Multitasking is being counterproductive. I think that’s called task-switching.

It’s only counterproductive to people who are not productive anyway. I’ve taken my daughter to the doctor’s office, gotten medication for her, and put drops in her eyes. I’ve also fixed breakfast and lunch for her. I’ve changed diapers on the week old girl. I’ve been washing, drying, and folding clothes as well. At the same time, I’ve been able to keep up with conversation here.

I’d say that the first half of my day has been pretty productive.

Oscar

February 25th, 2013
2:59 pm

Bro – Keep poking and you will end up with that third daughter. Then you will be happy being able to get some rest at work on those slow days.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 25th, 2013
2:59 pm

K’Chak — “Voodoo doo-doo.”

Just another reason why the state of Wisconsin *itself* predicts a net loss of population via migration through at least 2015.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 25th, 2013
3:00 pm

Fishwich — “The mushroom gun is a smoking cloud.”

Dolla menu item says what?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
3:01 pm

gary

February 25th, 2013
3:02 pm

Take it all out of education. The public school teachers dont teach, they are just expensive babysitters. It wont affect test scores or the graduation rates of the public school illiterates.

stands for decibels

February 25th, 2013
3:02 pm

Speaking of great moments in Mainstream Media coverage:

I happened upon a news piece about an apparent plunge in college admissions in Utah, but couldn’t help but look at the “Recommended Videos” sidebar.

Seriously, click the link, and see what Fox “News” Decides it needs to Report.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
3:02 pm

Just another reason why the state of Wisconsin *itself* predicts a net loss of population via migration through at least 2015.

And this guy will be on a least one primary ballot in 2016.

Skip

February 25th, 2013
3:03 pm

Has anyone addressed Jay’s topic? After eight pages I thought someone might try.

stands for decibels

February 25th, 2013
3:03 pm

Bless your heart.

Feel free to explain why we have to hack away at government spending for the sake of hacking away at government spending, when we know for a fact that it will hurt our recovery and throw more people out of work.

Go ahead, I’m still waiting for someone to explain this “crisis” to me.

JKL2

February 25th, 2013
3:04 pm

appleseed- These old white dudes just can’t accept the president.They would rather destroy the country than work with him.Get with it,and folks will remember come election time.

“Old white dudes” gave the President his tax increases. Time for the President to “get with it” and keep up his end of the bargain.

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
3:04 pm

Oscar: Keep poking and you will end up with that third daughter.

Nah… I realize that God has a great sense of humor. If I keep poking at that goal, I’ll likely end up with twin daughters. A man knows when to say when. :)

stands for decibels

February 25th, 2013
3:06 pm

…and if you, or any of the usual suspects, links once again to the motherf###ing “debt clock” that apparently fascinates certain lower primates, in response to the question posted by yours truly @ 3.03, I might be forced to smite someone.

bman.

February 25th, 2013
3:07 pm

“Poke away if you feel that you must. My job details vary by day, even by hour. Some days it’s like watching paint dry while other days I don’t even get a chance to stop long enough to grab a bite to eat or drink.”

I probably shouldn’t have poked you on that haha….
I don’t know exactly what it is you do, but I know it’s some sort of top-secret spy stuff :-) However, I don’t know of any jobs where there is nothing to do. That statement reminds me of the time I took a tour of the GM parts warehouse and saw all of the workers sitting around playing cards (on overtime) because there was nothing to do.

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
3:09 pm

Brosephus™ – Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
3:04 pm

I have three girls…uh…well…at least all of them are teenagers right? High drama to say the least.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
3:10 pm

… that apparently fascinates certain lower primates…

SQUIRRELL!

peapuppy piddle in 3…2…1….

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 25th, 2013
3:11 pm

Well its never a fun blog until someone is smitten!

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
3:12 pm

bman.

:) No offense taken. Actually, a few of my co-workers read from time to time when I’m at work. We all get a good laugh from some of the stuff posted here. I’m not really doing any top secret kind of stuff. Most of the time, I’m usually interviewing people to see if they really need to be allowed into our country. The only time there’s nothing to do is when I’m off work. :)

Peadawg

February 25th, 2013
3:12 pm

stands for decibels
February 25th, 2013
3:06 pm

I don’t remember EVER posting that. Got proof or you just talking out the butt?

Kamspam in 3…2…oh wait he beat me to it

Peadawg

February 25th, 2013
3:13 pm

stands for decibels
February 25th, 2013
3:03 pm

I would ask for your solution but that’s pointless since we don’t have a problem (according to you).

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
3:13 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 25th, 2013
3:14 pm

Maybe that should have been smited?

Joe Hussein Mama

February 25th, 2013
3:14 pm

S. Ray — “I have three girls…uh…well…at least all of them are teenagers right? High drama to say the least.”

You have my sympathies, sir. I don’t believe I could bear up under that high a concentration of estrogen in my house. :D

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

February 25th, 2013
3:15 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 25th, 2013
3:15 pm

Kam, how are the T-shirt sales to the fan club? You close to retiring yet?

Doggone/GA

February 25th, 2013
3:16 pm

“btw ….Multitasking is being counterproductive”

Only if you aren’t good at it.

Peadawg

February 25th, 2013
3:16 pm

bman.

February 25th, 2013
3:17 pm

Kam only posts that silly mushroom stuff because he’s a fungi….

JamVet

February 25th, 2013
3:17 pm

Three teenage daughters, SR?

That’s it.

I’ve decided right here and now to cut you a permanent break, going forward. Gawd knows you deserve it! LOL!

More sweet Harrison…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al4BT_NZmgU

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
3:17 pm

Stevie Ray

Two is enough for me. I have a while before they get to the teenage years, so I should be somewhat prepared by then. The newborn smiled at me when I suggested that daddy should get a new shotgun for Christmas this year.

mm

February 25th, 2013
3:17 pm

The cons are not satisfied with not raising the minimum wage. They want to eliminate it.

And now, Eric Cantor wants to eliminate overtime for hourly workers.

Race to the bottom. Keep the hits coming, GOP. 2014 will be really ugly for you.

If the majority of Americans haven’t figured out that the GOP cares only for corporations, and not for working citizens, then we really are an ignorant country.

stands for decibels

February 25th, 2013
3:18 pm

I don’t remember EVER posting that.

Well, good for you. To be fair, I don’t remember you ever giving me any kind of an answer to my question about this “ZOMG OUR HOUSE IS ON FIRE!” fixation some seem to have about reducing the deficit, which seems to go hand in hand with terror over scary-sounding numbers for the overall national debt.

On the other hand, when you sarcastically post “bless your heart” in response to what I think is an accurate assessment of this “crisis”, I have to assume you at least sympathize with those who are, in fact, terrified of Trillions (and that starts with “T” and that rhymes with “P”, and that spells “Pool”…)

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
3:18 pm

I’ve gone back to read the Phillip Marlowe series from Raymond Chandler…here’s a quote from a character worth 100 million in The Long Goodbye:

“We live in what is called a democracy, rule by the majority of the people. A fine ideal if it could be made to work. The people elect, but the party machines nominate, and the party machines to be effective must spend a great deal of money. Somebody has to give it to them, and that somebody, whether an individual, a financial group, a trade union or what have you expects some consideration in return.”

“Peculiar thing about money. In large quantities it tends to have a life of it’s own. This power becomes very difficult to control. Man is a venal animal and always has been. Population growth, the cost of wars the incessant pressure of confiscatory taxes, all these things make man more and more venal. The average man is tired and scared and a tired and scared man can’t afford ideals…”

It seems none of what we discuss is new ground…

DownInAlbany

February 25th, 2013
3:18 pm

740 comments later and it’s STILL 2.4%…TWO POINT FOUR PERCENT! Point fingers at the Senate, the House or Obama. It’s still 2.4%! The sky is NOT falling! Geez

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
3:19 pm

JamVet @ 3:17

:lol: :lol:

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
3:21 pm

DIA

I don’t recall anybody, other than a few conservatives, making the claim about the sky falling. Personally, those kind of statements are a bit late in my opinion as they gave out Oscars last night.

Peadawg

February 25th, 2013
3:22 pm

“I have to assume you at least sympathize with those who are, in fact, terrified of Trillions”

You’d be right in assuming that. As do most Americans and the rest of the World.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
3:22 pm

Doggone/GA

February 25th, 2013
3:22 pm

“TWO POINT FOUR PERCENT! Point fingers at the Senate, the House or Obama. It’s still 2.4%”

You left out the MUCH MORE IMPORTANT PART. That it’s across the board. That’s the part that matters. You want better border patrols for example, why heck cut their budget 2.4%. That’ll improve things for sure.

Peadawg

February 25th, 2013
3:22 pm

Brosephus™ – Desktop but still Multitasking
February 25th, 2013
3:21 pm

We saw your boobs.

:)

DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda

February 25th, 2013
3:23 pm

Bro: Yep. If government jobs paid as people “think” they did, you wouldn’t have people getting fired and sent to jail for taking $2000 bribes and stuff like that

I’m amazed more people can’t see that correlation. They act like cops and fireman, (as well as other civil servants), don’t have families and bills to pay too.

States/cities are refusing to raise their pay rate, yet continue to give businesess ad well as their cronies breaks.

I’m amazed that Serpico South hasn’t happened full scale yet — amazed and somewhat happy. However, given time, the republicans will eff that up too.

More tax cuts for the rich and for Big Business!!! Firefighters / Police can eat cake!!! — Governor “Really BAd, Effed Up” Deal

First they wring their hands about not having enough money to fund things like for schools and public health care. And then they dole out expensive special-interest tax breaks that ensure that they have trouble funding schools and public health care.

stands for decibels

February 25th, 2013
3:24 pm

I would ask for your solution but that’s pointless since we don’t have a problem

I didn’t say we didn’t have a problem. I just think it is horribly out-of-whack to try to address a very, verrrry long-term issue that can’t be fixed easily, that is best (as far as this macroeconomic non-genius sees it, anyway) handled by keeping an eye on metrics that would indicate that we are, in fact, spinning into some kind of inflation horrorshow. None that I can see would indicate that we are.

I cite, rather too frequently, the T-bill situation, but I’ll say it again–you have to go to a SEVEN year bill to get above a ONE PERCENT return.

Does that sound like the world believes were going to slide into the morass, become the next Zimbabwe or some other horrific basket case? I don’t believe it does. I think it is flat out crazy to allow concerns over debt load to keep us from building stuff people need, increasing educational and medical services to lighten working people’s loads, get them spending more money on stuff to get more people to work, etc.

But, you know… the debt clock. It looks scary, I guess, so we can’t have nice things.

JamVet

February 25th, 2013
3:24 pm

mm, great post.

The poor cons are getting a taste of what the rest of us went through during the Reign of King George W. This song, more than any other, sustained me during those terrible days…

Now the darkness only stays the night-time
In the morning it will fade away
Daylight is good at arriving at the right time
Its not always going to be this grey

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUT8FyzgGe8

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
3:24 pm

Brosephus™ – Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
3:17 pm

Take it from somebody that has 3…2 is an exceptionally good number.

Good thing I have a new strategy…stopped hiding via the “seasonings” of my past. Although the clean version of the ostrich is often quite effective. Learning to listen only and not try to solve a problem is a skill
we are not wired to produce. I finally got it when I realized i can do other things while they are yapping and then ask…”what are you gonna do”?

Also, I beat it into my girls at an early age that all boys are pigs.. we don’t mean anything by it..it’s just the way we are wired…

Doggone/GA

February 25th, 2013
3:24 pm

Got a question: does anyone have the quote from FDR about wanting everything and not having to pay for it? I’ve heard it on a video on TV, but I can’t seem to find it either as a video or transcription.

stands for decibels

February 25th, 2013
3:25 pm

As do most Americans and the rest of the World.

Most Americans have been told by GOPers AND Dems, that they have a debt crisis, so, naturally, when asked if it’s a concern they say it is.

As for the rest of the world, I don’t buy it. See my bit about T-bills.

Peadawg

February 25th, 2013
3:26 pm

“I didn’t say we didn’t have a problem. ”

stands @ 2:55 “nonexistent debt crisis”

Please move the goalposts back before proceeding.

getalife

February 25th, 2013
3:26 pm

Lots of drama but if the gop want to keep going against the majority of the American voters, by all means, proceed gop.

Peadawg

February 25th, 2013
3:27 pm

“I don’t buy it” – Sounds like a personal problem.

bman.

February 25th, 2013
3:27 pm

fungi – fun guy

not exactly a jedi-mind trick…sheesh

That Black Guy

February 25th, 2013
3:27 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

February 25th, 2013
3:14 pm
S. Ray — “I have three girls…uh…well…at least all of them are teenagers right? High drama to say the least.”

You have my sympathies, sir. I don’t believe I could bear up under that high a concentration of estrogen in my house.
________________________
Try 2 daughters, a niece, wife, and a mother in law.

I used to go sit under the freeway overpass for some peace and quiet. :lol:

DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda

February 25th, 2013
3:27 pm

Deal just (tried to) fired those 6 Dekalb School Board Members.

That’s a slippery slope — and only a brain dead person can’t see that — if the people of Dekalb don’t want their elected officials, it’s THEIR RIGHT to recall them — not the Governor’s.

Beware of Republicans bringing gifts.

Doggone/GA

February 25th, 2013
3:28 pm

“stands @ 2:55 “nonexistent debt crisis”

Saying something is not a crises does not equal saying it’s not a problem.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
3:29 pm

“Why do we always have to take you mom’s car?”
– Thomas “Ridin’ Dirty” Jefferson

Peadawg

February 25th, 2013
3:29 pm

“I think it is flat out crazy to allow concerns over debt load to keep us from building stuff people need, increasing educational and medical services to lighten working people’s loads, get them spending more money on stuff to get more people to work”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oniomania

stands for decibels

February 25th, 2013
3:30 pm

“nonexistent debt crisis”

Yes. I stand by that. I do not believe a crisis exists.

That Black Guy

February 25th, 2013
3:31 pm

Brosephus™ – Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
3:17 pm
Stevie Ray

Two is enough for me. I have a while before they get to the teenage years, so I should be somewhat prepared by then. The newborn smiled at me when I suggested that daddy should get a new shotgun for Christmas this year.
_____________________________________
Bro, take it from me.

You will NEVER be prepared. :lol:

Those girls will have so twisted (in a good way) you will look like Broagami.

DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda

February 25th, 2013
3:32 pm

I used to go sit under the freeway overpass for some peace and quiet

Wow!! that many females in one house!! I’m amazed you can actually speak in coherent sentences after that!

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
3:32 pm

Peadawg

February 25th, 2013
3:32 pm

“Yes. I stand by that. I do not believe a crisis exists.”

And you’re as crazy as people who don’t believe global warming is real.

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
3:33 pm

mm

February 25th, 2013
3:17 pm

I have to be careful suggesting either is above reproach when catering to unions, corporations and rich folk. They always get something in return….look at hollywood or the big banks. We are still giving the latter 83 billion a year..

Both parties benefit by pretty much the same big money. The DEMs are true to form relative to spending money in a battle cry of protecting the “middle class”. How much more spending, without any consideration of waste, can we afford.

The GOP are no different and also play to form…there are some exceptions like the tax cuts under Bush which helped all…even though we couldn’t afford them or at least didn’t know that at the time.

The massive increase in discretionary spending in the last 10 years or so is nothing short of criminal.

stands for decibels

February 25th, 2013
3:33 pm

And the thing is, we are going to get back into balance eventually if we get everyone back to work, and begin to gradually increase some taxes on some things, and impose some spending discipline on some others (the aforementioned pharma, military systems, medical services–and thanks to whomever mentioned the crazy-expensive med school tuition, we should fix that too.)

That Black Guy

February 25th, 2013
3:34 pm

Oh and Bro, I case I didn’t.

Congrats in you recent strengthening of the collective gene pool.

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
3:35 pm

Try 2 daughters, a niece, wife, and a mother in law.

I used to go sit under the freeway overpass for some peace and quiet.

:shock: :shock: :shock:

Next time we’re together, Brogami’s got the first round!!!

:lol

Madmax

February 25th, 2013
3:35 pm

It is easy to lead when you don’t demand anything from your supporters. It is much more difficult to lead when you need something. Obama is a master of leading the masses to demand that the “wealthy” pay for it (if you don’t believe that, look at today’s state by state assesments of the sequester and see how many times he uses the word fair and wealthy). Unfortunately, Obama is a disaster in building a sense of compromise or reconciliation. If you start out castigating the people you want help from, you rarely get their help.

stands for decibels

February 25th, 2013
3:37 pm

And you’re as crazy as people who don’t believe global warming is real.

dude. Come on. I have offered you actual metrics you can check, over and over again. Here is the easy-peasy version:

http://www.alternet.org/economy/8-facts-prove-our-govt-not-going-broke

You can go on thinking I’m crazy, but I think you’re just foolishly clinging to this notion that if you straddle the middle on these things that’ll make you “reasonable.”

Whereas, well, you know the old saying–stay in the middle of the road, and you wind up roadkill.

Regnad Kcin

February 25th, 2013
3:37 pm

“I didn’t say we didn’t have a problem. ”

stands @ 2:55 “nonexistent debt crisis”

Please move the goalposts back before proceeding.

==============================

Look up “problem.” Then look up “crisis.”

Always glad to help! :)

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
3:37 pm

JOE HUSSEIN/BLACK GUY

I only have one that I need to keep off the pole presently.

I trust at least one of them will keep me out of the nursing home. I’ve been to countless tea parties, American Girl fashion shows, to football games to cheer for the cheerleaders, buying tampons in the wee hours, seen temper tantrums over shoes, surgically removed marbles in nose, and stuff I never thought I’d be part of..

Overload of drama but wouldn’t trade them for anything..oh, also have a wife..another story.

DownInAlbany

February 25th, 2013
3:37 pm

Brosephus™ – Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
3:21 pm

Speaking of the Oscars, was the irony of M Obama announcing Argo as the “best picture” lost on this bunch?

DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda

February 25th, 2013
3:38 pm

The massive increase in discretionary spending in the last 10 years or so is nothing short of criminal.

Two Wars – costing billions a day…………

Big Business subsidies – costing billions per week

Medicare Part D — costing billions per year

AND

Cons b###tching about the budget they cheered on just 7 years ago…

CLASSIC!

Already this session, House members have filed more than a dozen tax-break bills, including one that would make permanent a tax exemption for Gulfstream, the maker of private jets on Georgia’s coast, and other similar companies.

getalife

February 25th, 2013
3:38 pm

It is fun watching the gop destruct.

Let us return to full employment and I could not be happier :)

Peadawg

February 25th, 2013
3:40 pm

“You can go on thinking I’m crazy” – I will.

Thanks for the suggestion but I prefer the middle of the road to blindly following the Democrats or Republicans.

RB from Gwinnett

February 25th, 2013
3:40 pm

Keep, here’s some good reading for you on Obamacare and what is really happening outside your momma’s basement. http://jobcreatorsnetwork.com/how-obamacare-leaves-your-boss-no-choice-but-to-slash-your-health-care/

You can make jokes all you want, but I promise you every company in this country that’s close to or above that 50 FTE number is having the same conversation at Papa Johns about cutting people’s hours or doing whatever else is required to avoid financial collapse and I’d bet you not a single one of the people this law was supposed to help has a clue about the hammering they’re about to get from their health insurance.

Just so you know to what level of detail some of us are paying attention, the law says I have to provide “affordable” healthcare and defines “affordable” as being no more than 9.5% of an employee’s total houshold income. So, Keep, answer this for me….How in the hell am I supposed to know what my employee’s total houshold income is? Do I now have a right to copies of everybody who lives in their home’s tax returns? Do I have a right to stop by to see who actually lives there and include their income if the appear to “live there”?

You keep making jokes while the rest of us deal with the realities this POS legislation has dumped on the American job creators. When the shat hits the fan, though, Keep, no whining. You’ll get exactly what you deserve.

Erwin's cat

February 25th, 2013
3:40 pm

Pea – And you’re as crazy as people who don’t believe global warming is real.

I’d be 2 for 2 if the debate was about “what” or “who” is causing it

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
3:42 pm

Peadawg

February 25th, 2013
3:32 pm

Call me crazy….I’m not sure about man made skyfalling stuff that a recently minted science suggests will happen 50 years or so..tough not to question that..nobody really knows.

I don’t believe for a minute that the hysterical allegations about worse case scenarios will remotely pan out. There surely are ways to obtain the pick up’s without ending life as we know it…it is 2 cents on the dollar..

JamVet

February 25th, 2013
3:42 pm

If you start out castigating the people you want help from, you rarely get their help.

Like the stupid, lazy black mooches on the plantation?

Or maybe the sluts, prostitutes and FemiNazis who want their birth control for free?

Or maybe the 47% who pay nothing to live in America?

I hope you were being facetious.

But I do not hope you stop losing elections.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGI3RWBhuUo

DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda

February 25th, 2013
3:42 pm

Speaking of the Oscars, was the irony of M Obama announcing Argo as the “best picture” lost on this bunch?

Did anyone catch the “shooter” (Of OBL) on 60 Minutes last night? He wasn’t in hiding and he definitely didn’t look like he was “scared of reprisals” since he loved showing his face AND giving out his real name.

Methinks the man is trying to get that bounty — it’s not about battle fatigue, or any of that other crap he’s spouting — its about Money.

Sad.

getalife

February 25th, 2013
3:42 pm

rb still crying about a passed bill is hilarious :)

alex

February 25th, 2013
3:43 pm

@ Debbie, I’d agree and fortunately the repubs in the state legislature voted against receiving gifts!

Deal had to act, Dekalb was turning into Clayton Co. and the children were suffering too much . Kudos to the Gov,

stands for decibels

February 25th, 2013
3:43 pm

blindly following the Democrats or Republicans.

For the record, given how often and how vociferously I’ve complained about Obama’s leadership on this issue (including in this very thread, particularly @ 10.06), I don’t think you can accurately accuse me of blindly following the former.

Bob

February 25th, 2013
3:44 pm

@Jay “Obama proposes two dollars in cuts for every dollar in revenue” ! Thats a good one Jay, repubs agreed to raise taxes on those billionaires making over 450K a while back, where are the cuts for that rate increase. Reagan agreed to raise taxes with his dem house because Tip promised 3 to 1 cuts to tax increases. As we know now, we never got those cuts from Tip and Reagan gets blamed for the debt.

DownInAlbany

February 25th, 2013
3:45 pm

RB from Gwinnett

February 25th, 2013
3:40 pm

I can give you a dozen examples without a lot of effort, of small business owners in SW GA who are not hiring to stay under that threshold or are reorganizing their businesses by cutting them into smaller S-corps. The ACA is a jobs killer, plain and simple.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 25th, 2013
3:46 pm

I’m not a financial planner, but there is a way for people to manage the problem.

Well, I’m not Norman Einsteen but I noticed WalMart is selling Little Friskies cat food for 46 cents a can. That’s alot cheaper than you’ll get it at Publix and even Kroger. Like I wrote before you can get it in lots of flavors—Chicken & Gravy, Tuna & Egg, Chicken & Tuna, Turkey & Cheese, and lots of others. If it’s good enough for Simpson & Bowles to plan on as a substitute for Social Security etc. it ought to be good enough for the rest of you when you lose your job. Don’t say you won’t eat it. Wait till you’re REAL hungry and then talk to me about it.

And don’t forget the beer. It goes real good with Little Friskies.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 25th, 2013
3:46 pm

TBG — “Try 2 daughters, a niece, wife, and a mother in law.”

Jebus. It’s a wonder you don’t crack up under the strain. :D

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 25th, 2013
3:46 pm

On noooo, RB is still having conniptions and now wants legal advice. Did you check the regs for guidance? Seems you’re having a hissy fit over tweaking that any new law requires regarding guidance. But I am sure you’re slanted asteroid detector system will continue to spot false images. So far your predictions have fallen well short.

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
3:47 pm

DebbieDoRight – Minister Of Propaganda

February 25th, 2013
3:38 pm

Well to suggest that BO has done anything about it that trends favorably is out of touch. Bush made poor decisions and like Clinton, bought the intelligence he was provided. Regardless, we NEVER should have sent anyone to be killed in either conflict..the current results speak for themselves. However, BO has done nothing to even stem the tide and seems not to be interested.

The cuts he alledgedly championed are generally put off to the future with excape hatch, already done prior to his proposal, or based upon assumptions (deficit/borrowing reduction…lower interest costs) that likely are flawed out of the gate.

He doesn’t mean anything by it…just the way he is wired.

Madmax

February 25th, 2013
3:47 pm

Jam? Not sure what your reading or not reading into it. Obama wins elections; he’s proven himself very adept at that. Obama fails to build a consensus when it comes to the hard stuff; he’s proven himself inept at that. If you can prove me wrong please do, but stop with the silly profiling.

Erwin's cat

February 25th, 2013
3:47 pm

DIA – that fine for not providing is looking pretty good to a lot of small biz

stands for decibels

February 25th, 2013
3:47 pm

I noticed WalMart is selling Little Friskies cat food for 46 cents a can

[golf clap]

I’m going to leave this thread on a high note.

Bravo, RC. One day, that Pulitzer will be yours.

That Black Guy

February 25th, 2013
3:48 pm

DebbieDoRight – Minister Of Propaganda

February 25th, 2013
3:32 pm
I used to go sit under the freeway overpass for some peace and quiet

Wow!! that many females in one house!! I’m amazed you can actually speak in coherent sentences after that!
______________________
Hey DDR. Yeah, that’s how I learned to listen without listening.

Typical conversation:

Wife: Tell your daughter these curtains would great in her room.
Daughter: But Mom, they look like little girls curtains.
MIL: But baby, you are a little girl.
Me: Baby girl, pick out the curtains that YOU like.

My Brain: THROW THE D*MN BALL ALREADY :LOL:

Joe Hussein Mama

February 25th, 2013
3:49 pm

RB — “You keep making jokes while the rest of us deal with the realities this POS legislation has dumped on the American job creators. When the shat hits the fan, though, Keep, no whining. You’ll get exactly what you deserve.”

Should have gotten behind Single-Payer when it was on the table. It would have relieved American business of this burden and concern.

DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda

February 25th, 2013
3:51 pm

Deal had to act, Dekalb was turning into Clayton Co. and the children were suffering too much . Kudos to the Gov,

Ok – Let’s go with the assumption that Gov. Deal is an upstanding, morally prudent person, who wouldn’t use this “power” he has to destablize the entire Georgia School system. Let’s say he doesn’t.

but what about the NEXT governor, or the next? Once you’re granted power or granted the OFFICE more power than it previously had – even if the person currently in office doesn’t abuse it, there’s a 10/1 odds that the next one will.

A good point is the Patriot Act — Granted under bush and decried by every rational citizen and the majority of the Dem party.

What is the status of the patriot act today? Has it went away?

Erwin's cat

February 25th, 2013
3:51 pm

JHM – TBG — “Try 2 daughters, a niece, wife, and a mother in law.”

Jebus. It’s a wonder you don’t crack up under the strain.

kind of explains why he posts his opinions here….no one at home will let him

Dharma Bum

February 25th, 2013
3:51 pm

More vacuous leadership from Washington… Democrats and Republicans should be ashamed. There is absolutely no responsibility or accountability. How anyone can be defending either side at this point is beyond comprehension.

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
3:53 pm

PelosiCare is a flawed bill involving exceptionally poor bedfellow arrangements and is gonna cost us and our kids trillions…I don’t see any other way to look at it..

Bad selection of alternatives with completely misaligned incentives which are based on a process that included misaligned incentives by a body that has completely misaligned incentives..disaster in the making…

We will see come second quarter of 2014. Likely to be insurmountable achilles heel for those who surreptitiously passed this through the night..

Single payor…at least we know who is screwing us..

Jefferson

February 25th, 2013
3:53 pm

At the end of the day this was caused because….

Reasonable people can come to reasonable conclusions under reasonable conditions, unless you are a republican.

barking frog

February 25th, 2013
3:53 pm

If sequester occurs could we not furlough high
paid folks rather than front line personnel ?

Regnad Kcin

February 25th, 2013
3:54 pm

“Should have gotten behind Single-Payer when it was on the table. It would have relieved American business of this burden and concern.”

Maybe it’s still not too late! If RB, DIA, and all their cohorts urge their congressfolks to introduce a single-payer bill, it could pass with bi-partisan support, and employers would never have to worry about it again!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
3:54 pm

Should have gotten behind Single-Payer when it was on the table.

Yep.

Classic case of Ready. Shoot. Aim.

RB from Gwinnett

February 25th, 2013
3:54 pm

“You can…turn down the thermostat, turn down the lights,etc, conserve water, cancel cable, cut off 1 phone if you have a land and mobile, and cancel the internet service (If you need it go to starbucks and hangout on their wifi for fee)…”

I turned down the thermostat back when Obama told us to just inflate our tires and such. Is your solution to just turn the thing off now? I already conserve water, cancelling cable incures a cancellation fee equal to the payments, don’t have a land line, and the kids need internet to do their homework.

You idiots act like everybody on the planet is a wasteful dumbarse until you come along and tell them how to be “green”. Get over yourselves. You ain’t that bright.

DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda

February 25th, 2013
3:55 pm

You keep making jokes while the rest of us deal with the realities this POS legislation has dumped on the American job creators.

I’m so sick of hearing that freaking brain dead slogan that the right keep saying like mindless zombies.

JOB CREATORS

Where are the freaking jobs they’re supposed to be creating? Are they in the U.S. or are they in China? What freaking good does it do to give a company a tax break if they take their “jobs” to China? Why are we still funding a bunch of U.S. traitors?

To paraphrase Pimplicious: Money Before Everything Else.

The US people are being pimped.You keep making jokes while the rest of us deal with the realities this POS legislation has dumped on the American job creators.

That Black Guy

February 25th, 2013
3:56 pm

Brosephus™ – Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
3:35 pm
Try 2 daughters, a niece, wife, and a mother in law.

I used to go sit under the freeway overpass for some peace and quiet.

Next time we’re together, Brogami’s got the first round!!!

:lol
________________
TBS, what’s good. We need to set something up. I know I got the 2nd round. Hey, we need to invite Fred. The bar will buy the next 2 rounds just to shut him up. :lol:

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 25th, 2013
3:56 pm

JHM, yep but the unskewed jobcreatorsnetwork did not discuss that, I bet. ;)

Dharma Bum

February 25th, 2013
3:57 pm

Jefferson @ 3:53

…at this point, neither side appears reasonable or deserving of even a modicum of respect. No one in Washington is being held accountable for their actions and we simply lumber along from one unsolved crisis to the next.

DownInAlbany

February 25th, 2013
3:57 pm

Erwin’s cat

February 25th, 2013
3:47 pm

We are currently holding at 24 employees because it is one of the requirements for tax credit eligibility for actually providing h/c insurance (which we do and always have). We could use one or two more, but, the decision, now, is not about a $30k employee. If we hire one more, it becomes a $100k decision because we lose the tax credit. Unintended consequences?

Common Sense isn't very Common

February 25th, 2013
3:58 pm

Bro

Hopefully any furlough isn’t a long term solution to a short term issue..

My little girl is about your age (39) so just enjoy both of them while you can.

:-)

Regnad Kcin

February 25th, 2013
3:58 pm

Job Creators: they really suck at what they do. Even cons have to admit it.

Job creators should all be fired, or impeached, or something, and replaced with people who actually WILL create jobs!

:)

RB from Gwinnett

February 25th, 2013
3:59 pm

Keep, “So far your predictions have fallen well short.”

Check out Einstein telling us “predictions” for the impact of a law that HASN’T GONE INTO EFFECT YET have fallen short. Are you really that stupid, Keep?

No need to answer that one, Keep.

barking frog

February 25th, 2013
3:59 pm

Did not bman say he was a bartender ? You
guys should patronize his bar sometimes….if so

DownInAlbany

February 25th, 2013
4:00 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

February 25th, 2013
3:49 pm

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
3:53 pm

Single payer will never happen…the insurance lobby is too $$$ strong. IMO

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
4:00 pm

“Sequester, automatic across-the-board reductions in the rate of increase in government spending – commonly and lazily called “spending cuts” by the media – was the spawn of the Obama administration”.

I think for the liberals going forward, it would be good practice to make sure you really understand these are not cuts..merely governors on future spending…

Of course the disingenuous BO machine is selling what you and those against want to buy…

JamVet

February 25th, 2013
4:00 pm

Obama fails to build a consensus…

Max, maybe he is just once again following in his predecessor’s footsteps and refuses to negotiate with terrorists. (grin)

On the eve of midterms elections that could make him House Speaker, John Boehner announced, “This is not a time for compromise”.

Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN), the third-ranking Republican in the House, repeatedly pledged in a recent interview that there would be “no compromise” with the Obama administration if his party wins control of the House.

From day one, technically day two, of his first term, the GOP was committed to seeing him fail at all costs. That strategery seems to have backfired, wouldn’t you say?

Regnad Kcin

February 25th, 2013
4:01 pm

“Check out Einstein telling us “predictions” for the impact of a law that HASN’T GONE INTO EFFECT YET have fallen short. Are you really that stupid, Keep?”

RB – Why is it always personal attacks with you? Afraid your “arguments” won’t cut it? :)

Dharma Bum

February 25th, 2013
4:02 pm

Keep playing the blame game libs/cons… party first, America second!

DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda

February 25th, 2013
4:03 pm

Me: Baby girl, pick out the curtains that YOU like.

OMG! You mean you said that OUT LOUD and your wife didn’t take you aside later and complain about how you don’t back her up on “important” issues?

You sir! Are one bad mutha………………

DownInAlbany

February 25th, 2013
4:03 pm

Regnad Kcin

February 25th, 2013
3:54 pm

I’m flattered that you think I have that much influence! :)

I’m personally not sold on the single payer system. If you are in the medical field, right now, you deal with Aetna, BCBSGA (yuck!), Medicaid, Medicare, etc etc. If I have a dispute with Aetna, for example, and they stop paying, then the others continue to pay, hence you can still cover payroll this week. Under single payer, if the payer stops paying you, well….

But, there are certainly arguments FOR single payer…

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
4:03 pm

RB from Gwinnett

February 25th, 2013
3:54 pm

Was it OBAMA who told us to keep tires inflated? Who then suggested our lives hang on a thread of duct tape..I get so confused..

bman.

February 25th, 2013
4:07 pm

“Did not bman say he was a bartender ? ”

I’m not, but I could be for these guys. A bottle of scotch and a glass…poof

barking frog

February 25th, 2013
4:09 pm

bman
I remembered the Asian lady thing and i
thought the bartender thing but once again
I am wrong.

stands for decibels

February 25th, 2013
4:10 pm

ok, just one more on-topic post and I gotta git–

http://www.eschatonblog.com/2013/02/just-repeal-it.html

Here it is quoted in its entirety:

Just Repeal It

Again we’re at that point when Congress has taken itself hostage and is threatening to shoot the country. There’s no need for the sequestration. There’s no need for any deal. There’s certainly no need for austerity of any sort right now. We need the opposite.

Every time we reach this moment there’s a sudden realization that contractionary policy is contractionary. Sure there might be better contractionary policy than the haphazard sequestration cuts, but it’s still contractionary.

And expansionary policy would be expansionary.

TBS: Posting on weekends so PD can cry on Monday

February 25th, 2013
4:10 pm

TBG

What’s up dude? I will send an email out in the next few days to see if we can come up with an agreed upon day.

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
4:11 pm

DownInAlbany

February 25th, 2013
4:03 pm

IMO its simply a function of picking the best of the worst option(s).

Single payer is us…most insurance claims are held up by unreasonable and uncustomary charges, pre-existing conditions, and non-certified procedures.

Knowing in advance what is covered and what is considered elective will be easy. Calculations of copays and deductibles a breeze. And since our government may run it, we can expect 10-15% waste in administration and overpayments…

bman.

February 25th, 2013
4:11 pm

“I remembered the Asian lady thing and i
thought the bartender thing but once again”

Asian Ladies – plural. They are like a potato chip…

Thomas

February 25th, 2013
4:12 pm

I think blogging all days creates a lot of jobs. Please keep blogging. Exponential job growth if you insult fellow bloggers while you blog all day.

Shine

February 25th, 2013
4:12 pm

If its so bad, then why did the Senate agree to it and Obama sign it? Dont whine now. The chickens have come home to roost.

barking frog

February 25th, 2013
4:13 pm

bman
that would be potato chips

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
4:14 pm

Another way to put it, we can’t even reduce future spending by 2%..

This is really not like cutting spending by 2% now is it?

RB from Gwinnett

February 25th, 2013
4:15 pm

“Job creators should all be fired, or impeached, or something, and replaced with people who actually WILL create jobs!”

Question for you…. Do liberals not own businesses? If they do, why aren’t they hiring all these people regardless of their need just because you benevolent liberals want to think business exists to provide employees with income? Or maybe liberal business owners are all greeds SOB’s too? Which is it?

That Black Guy

February 25th, 2013
4:15 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

February 25th, 2013
3:46 pm
TBG — “Try 2 daughters, a niece, wife, and a mother in law.”

Jebus. It’s a wonder you don’t crack up under the strain.
________________________
JHM :lol: that was years ago.

The daughters are grown and on their own.
The niece, full ride to UNC and doing well.
MIL passed
Wife and I went our seperate ways (still my best friend)

Besides, that’s when I discovered Flor De Cana.

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
4:15 pm

DIA: Speaking of the Oscars, was the irony of M Obama announcing Argo as the “best picture” lost on this bunch?

I think there were multiple cases of “irony” and such on both parties. Me, I didn’t watch them and only knew about the First Lady because of the news.

Erwin's cat

February 25th, 2013
4:16 pm

RB – You idiots act like everybody on the planet is a wasteful dumbarse until you come along and tell them how to be “green”. Get over yourselves. You ain’t that bright.

This idiot fired DirecTV with no cancellation fees or penalty….it’s not about being green…it’s about cutting expenses for surviving the furloughs…as far as me being “green”, heck a got a carbon footprint bigger than Al Gore’s

barking frog

February 25th, 2013
4:16 pm

I fail to see why our elected government
spends time passing legislation that they
do not expect to be implemented.

bman.

February 25th, 2013
4:18 pm

“that would be potato chips”

you always win!

Regnad Kcin

February 25th, 2013
4:20 pm

“Question for you…. Do liberals not own businesses? If they do, why aren’t they hiring all these people regardless of their need just because you benevolent liberals want to think business exists to provide employees with income? Or maybe liberal business owners are all greeds SOB’s too? Which is it?”

RB – I should have used the “parody” indicator. It’s just that the term “job creators” is such a silly, meaningless and useless concept.

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
4:20 pm

TBG

Thanks. We’ll have to do beer sometime soon to celebrate.

————–

Should have gotten behind Single-Payer when it was on the table. It would have relieved American business of this burden and concern.

Hell, they’re doing more to sell it know than they’ll ever know.

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
4:21 pm

WOW,

Speaking of duct tape…the ultimate scare tactic has finally entered the arena..

http://thehill.com/video/administration/284713-napolitano-cuts-will-make-us-more-vulnerable-to-terrorist-attack

This is simply disgusting…if we slow spending by 2%, terrorists will take to the sky…a complete crock of political sh*t..

barking frog

February 25th, 2013
4:22 pm

bman
you always win
……………………..
mostly i’m unaware there is a contest….

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
4:22 pm

NoCom: Hopefully any furlough isn’t a long term solution to a short term issue..

I’m good. As Wesley Snipes said in Passenger 57, “Always bet on Black.” ;)

alex

February 25th, 2013
4:23 pm

Don’t disagree with you fully Debbie and surely this could be a slippery slope, but he had an independent committee suggest removing these councilpeople,sometimes you act and hope…

@Jam, have heard your arguement from my father who takes MM’s quote enrirely out of context, but let’s say yoyr right, is it not the job of these congressmen and senators to represent their constituents and is it not the Presidents job to represent the entire constituency of the US, at least I hope so. I would be hopeful that all Presidents would want to compromise for the good of the ENTIRE country, not just 52%. Anyway Obama is a poor consensus builder, I hope he changes , I doubt it, the far left would let him, though. His core supporters will support him at any cost, I hope he realizes it soon, for all of us.

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
4:23 pm

Here we go..surprise that that her comments came during a visit to propaganda central..why doesn’t obama simply drop flyers from planes?

“Napolitano’s attendance at the White House briefing was the latest part of a White House effort to pressure Congress into passing a deal that would prevent the sequester. ”

Can you imagine her fate if she refused to read from the script?

Disgusted

February 25th, 2013
4:23 pm

Knowing in advance what is covered and what is considered elective will be easy. Calculations of copays and deductibles a breeze. And since our government may run it, we can expect 10-15% waste in administration and overpayments…

Uh, the government doesn’t have a claims system, dude. It doesn’t have a single claims specialist to act on the hundreds of thousands of Medicare claims. That function is contracted out to insurance companies like Prudential and Aetna, which make a pretty penny from the government on that business. If there’s administrative waste or overpayments, it’s the actions of these private insurers, not the government, that are responsible.

TBS: Posting on weekends so PD can cry on Monday

February 25th, 2013
4:24 pm

bman

If they taste like Funyuns or Munchos, you eat all of them you want.

bwhahahahaha

DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda

February 25th, 2013
4:25 pm

Bro – I think he meant to say Zero Dark Thirty. Argo was a picture about the 1980;s rescue of some Iranian embassy people.

==============

RB from G: liberals want to think business exists to provide employees with income? Or maybe liberal business owners are all greeds SOB’s too? Which is it?

let’s get real here RB — if you companies, who are in the business to make money, don’t hire employees to MAKE /PRODUCE the product, or at least to sell it, then they don’t make money, (unless they do everything themselves — a la Chineese Restaurant)

If companies don’t hire people, then there are people who don’t have the money to buy the product that the company wishes to sell. then the company goes out of business. Notice after 2008 that a LOT of Mom and Pop restaurants went out of business? Ever wonder why? It was because the people who frequented the shop decided to save money by staying home and cooking for themselves.

Business is symbiotic – it does not exist in a vaccuum. Business can not prosper without money — if the patron doesn’t have a job he has no money to spend. If the patron doenst’ have any money he can’t shop; if he can’t shop the business doesn’t prosper.

The Libs as you call them, are trying to start business that help both themselves and the people AND their employees.

See Green Energy; Biofuels etc. for a frame of refernce.

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
4:25 pm

Brosephus™ – Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
4:22 pm

Best role he ever played was in Major League..classic. Kinda like the Sean Penn character I most liked was Spicoli…

DownInAlbany

February 25th, 2013
4:25 pm

Brosephus™ – Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
4:15 pm

I was on the road and didn’t watch…probably wouldn’t if I had been at home. Come to think of it, I’m pretty sure I’ve never watched! Something about Hollywood celebrating itself doesn’t appeal to me.

JamVet

February 25th, 2013
4:26 pm

Dharma,

Libs/cons are not political parties.

They are ideologies…

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
4:28 pm

DebbieDoRight – Minister Of Propaganda

February 25th, 2013
4:25 pm

I think the argument is that employers are not primarily in the business to have employees. That is completely accurate. They have to be able to actually afford employees and be flexible if business falls off..

Joe Hussein Mama

February 25th, 2013
4:29 pm

DIA — “We are currently holding at 24 employees because it is one of the requirements for tax credit eligibility for actually providing h/c insurance (which we do and always have). We could use one or two more, but, the decision, now, is not about a $30k employee. If we hire one more, it becomes a $100k decision because we lose the tax credit. Unintended consequences?”

Single-Payer is your friend.

Or would have been, if your party hadn’t told him to f**k off.

TBS: Posting on weekends so PD can cry on Monday

February 25th, 2013
4:29 pm

“What Jefferson was saying was, Hey! You know, we left this England place ’cause it was bogus; so if we don’t get some cool rules ourselves – pronto – we’ll just be bogus too! Get it? ”

Spicoli

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjkY7H1oUEA

Stevie Ray

February 25th, 2013
4:30 pm

DEBBIE

“See Green Energy; Biofuels etc. for a frame of refernce.”

The only way even these not ready for prime time players can afford employees is with revenues and surprisingly a profit..

DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda

February 25th, 2013
4:30 pm

Don’t disagree with you fully Debbie and surely this could be a slippery slope, but he had an independent committee suggest removing these councilpeople,sometimes you act and hope…

Ever wonder WHO appointed the “Independent” committee and HOW they were appointed? Make wanna google that when you get a chance.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 25th, 2013
4:31 pm

RB — “Question for you…. Do liberals not own businesses? If they do, why aren’t they hiring all these people regardless of their need just because you benevolent liberals want to think business exists to provide employees with income? Or maybe liberal business owners are all greeds SOB’s too? Which is it?”

Question for you . . . have you stopped beating your wife yet?

DownInAlbany

February 25th, 2013
4:32 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

February 25th, 2013
4:29 pm

Joe, we’ve had the conversation about single-payer. I’m not a fan. I’m glad they told him to f off.

TBS: Posting on weekends so PD can cry on Monday

February 25th, 2013
4:34 pm

SouthernGent

February 25th, 2013
4:34 pm

Jay, you just need to go ahead and change your bi-line to the Obama misinformation service. Obama hasn’t proposed any cuts, instead, he has only mouthed cuts with no specifics, but he has been very specific with his tax increases. He promised in the last negotiations if they would give him the tax increases he would propose balanced cuts. That has not happened. I don’t believe he ever intended to and he sure hasn’t proposed a real budget now since he has been in office. You may be drunk and staggering from his kook aid, but some of his no longer buy into his male bovine feces!

Common Sense isn't very Common

February 25th, 2013
4:34 pm

Bro

just remember the black guy gets shot first in the movie.

:-)

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
4:36 pm

Knowing in advance what is covered and what is considered elective will be easy. Calculations of copays and deductibles a breeze. And since our government may run it, we can expect 10-15% waste in administration and overpayments…

You may wanna research the costs of the TSP, as administered by your government.

What makes the TSP superior is its simplicity coupled with minuscule costs. All of the options in the TSP have annual administrative expenses of just 0.03%.

http://www.fool.com/personal-finance/retirement/2007/05/24/fund-your-tsp-thats-an-order.aspx

Most 401ks have administrative costs that average around 2%. In addition, the government actually contracts out it’s claims services and such which adds to administrative costs. People are so chickensh*t of “big government” that we can’t realize cost savings by doing things in-house because that would mean that more government employees would be needed.

DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda

February 25th, 2013
4:38 pm

That is completely accurate.

Their in business to make money. It’s like the hamster’s wheel………..

If they’re selling a product/service (walMart, RotoRooter), they n eed employees to make that happen. If if they just hire family, they still need employees to HELP them to make the business profitable.

Hamster’s wheel:

Moves:

1) You need a writer to write the movie and a director to direct it.
2) You need producers to provide financial backing (a loan if you will) to allay the costs of the movie.
3) You need actors
4) You need movie theaters to distribute the movie too,
5) You need movie goers to go to the movie so that it can make money and repay the producers.

A) Movie goers DON’T have jobs and can’t afford to go to the movies.
b) The theaters don’t make money and stop showing the movie.
c) The Producer does not make the money that he put into the film back NOR does he make any money at all because no one saw it at the movie theaters.
d) The actors got paid up front, however if they want to continue to act for money; they need movie goers.
e) Who don’t have a job so they’re not going to spend much needed money on movies.

RB from Gwinnett

February 25th, 2013
4:39 pm

Debbie, “The Libs as you call them, are trying to start business that help both themselves and the people AND their employees.”

You didn’t answer the question, Debbie. Why aren’t the liberal owned businesses that already exist picking up all these unemployed people just to help them out? Do they not care as much as you want to pretend, do liberals not own businesses, or what? Just answer the question.

getalife

February 25th, 2013
4:39 pm

“Let them eat cat food” cons.

DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda

February 25th, 2013
4:40 pm

Make wanna google that?

Jeesh! I’m tired — had to catch a late /early flight to get into Atlanta before the weather turned bad and I’ve been up ever sense — time to go home.

Later Gators

barking frog

February 25th, 2013
4:41 pm

DDR
normal movie production costs are not so bad
it’s the extras that drive up costs…..

Joe Hussein Mama

February 25th, 2013
4:41 pm

DIA — “Joe, we’ve had the conversation about single-payer. I’m not a fan. I’m glad they told him to f off.”

Shrug. I appreciate your position, but FWIW, Single-Payer’s the only solution I see to the problem you’re talking about.

Other than, of course, cutting employees loose and making them purchase their own insurance on the open market, but that’s the pre-existing problem we needed to address in the first place.

Regnad Kcin

February 25th, 2013
4:41 pm

“You didn’t answer the question, Debbie. Why aren’t the liberal owned businesses that already exist picking up all these unemployed people just to help them out? Do they not care as much as you want to pretend, do liberals not own businesses, or what? Just answer the question.”

RB – why do you feel Debbie owes you an answer? You really need to work on this “entitlement mentality” of yours. Stop demanding free stuff allthe time!

DownInAlbany

February 25th, 2013
4:43 pm

Now this is funny, I don’t care who you are…

At the beginning of the year, President Barack Obama’s new 501(c)4 political nonprofit, Organizing For Action, was launched with all the usual bells and whistles. But the tech wizards at OFA forgot one important rule in today’s Internet world: Register all the iterations of your website address before someone else does.

Now Obama’s team is filing complaints against the folks smart enough to get the addresses before he did.

As Obama’s OFA made its debut, no one in his purportedly Internet-savvy campaign had obtained the corresponding .com, .net, .org or .us sites, nor did OFA register other names that are close to its official one, as is the sensible practice. In the case of the .net address, a fellow named Derek Bovard had already registered the .net address by the time Obama’s team took notice.

Bovard has routed his new site to the homepage of the National Rifle Association.

So, whenever anyone goes to http://www.organizingforaction.net they end up seeing the homepage of the NRA.

Erwin's cat

February 25th, 2013
4:43 pm

DDR – it all starts and ends with demand…period

Joe Hussein Mama

February 25th, 2013
4:44 pm

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
4:44 pm

just remember the black guy gets shot first in the movie.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That’s why you gotta be the main character of the story, except for shows like Law and Order where you have to get killed.

DownInAlbany

February 25th, 2013
4:44 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

February 25th, 2013
4:41 pm

And, I respect your opinion…

Steve

February 25th, 2013
4:45 pm

@SouthernGent

Again, you people just make $hit up and believe it.

But Obama Has Proposed A Specific Plan To Replace The Sequester …

White House Spokesperson: Obama Has “Laid Out A Specific Plan” That “Resolves The Sequester.” In a February 21 post on the White House blog, White House Director of Communications Jennifer Palmieri wrote that Obama has “already reduced the deficit by over $2.5 trillion” and has “laid out a specific plan to do more.” She continued: “His proposal resolves the sequester and reduces our deficit by over $4 trillion dollars in a balanced way- by cutting spending, finding savings in entitlement programs and asking the wealthiest to pay their fair share.” The post linked to a plan with specific proposals to cut $930 billion from discretionary and mandatory spending as well as raise $580 billion in revenues:

http://mediamatters.org/research/2013/02/22/conservative-media-ignore-obamas-sequester-plan/192778

DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda

February 25th, 2013
4:45 pm

RBG — First – you don’t tell me what to do.

Second – THIS is the question I was responding to:

: liberals want to think business exists to provide employees with income? Or maybe liberal business owners are all greeds SOB’s too? Which is it?

Try and keep up.

You know I MUST be going soft! I was going to call you a sheeethead moronic imbecilic azzhole; but I didn’t! I refrained myself!

I’m really getting the hang of this “being nice to animals” thing!

Later Gators!

Erwin's cat

February 25th, 2013
4:47 pm

“Let them eat cat food”

It’s really not so bad >^..^<

That Black Guy

February 25th, 2013
4:48 pm

Regnad Kcin

February 25th, 2013
4:20 pm
RB – I should have used the “parody” indicator. It’s just that the term “job creators” is such a silly, meaningless and useless concept.
____________________
Kinda like:

The rich
Middle class
the poor
fair share
transparent
responsible government
racist
“con”
“lib”
“socialist”

These words/phrases have been gangraped by politics to fit a particular view.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 25th, 2013
4:48 pm

DIA — “As Obama’s OFA made its debut, no one in his purportedly Internet-savvy campaign had obtained the corresponding .com, .net, .org or .us sites, nor did OFA register other names that are close to its official one, as is the sensible practice. In the case of the .net address, a fellow named Derek Bovard had already registered the .net address by the time Obama’s team took notice.”

Now THAT is a rookie mistake right there. Either someone was asleep at the switch or they gave the job to an intern who didn’t know what he was doing.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 25th, 2013
4:50 pm

DIA — “And, I respect your opinion…”

Have you brainstormed any ideas on the matter? Any alternative systems or mechanisms that might alleviate that bind that businesses find themselves in with that?

Michael

February 25th, 2013
4:50 pm

Our money creation system causes this debt crisis. Our government does not create the dollar and that is the problem. Under our current money creation system, private banks create all dollars from debt. Thus, for every dollar created, there is a dollar of debt. But in previous, more successful money creation systems, the government created the money. If we returned to government created money, instead of relying on private banks, our debt crisis would be solved. Please read this International Monetary Fund working paper to learn more: http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2012/wp12202.pdf

Soothsayer

February 25th, 2013
4:51 pm

Jerome Horwitz

February 25th, 2013
4:52 pm

As to the ACA – The mandate bothers me too. Wish the Admin had taken more of a carrot rather than stick approach. However, would like to see more companies step up and provide insurance. If a company has a strong bottom line, and many do, then they should. If you’re a CEO and you have several cars, a McMansion, etc. and your employees live in a trailer, drive a Sundird, and are Medicaid then there’s a special place in Hell in for you. Just like the Walton Family – a collective net worth of $100 billion and the people that earn it for them are on Medicaid. I’m sure some of them actually work hard, but, still they could do better by their employees and someday I hope they wake up.

JamVet

February 25th, 2013
4:55 pm

Let them eat cat food.

Isn’t that what Marie Antoinette said to the French pussies?

RB from Gwinnett

February 25th, 2013
4:56 pm

One more time, Debbie. Why are liberal owned businesses not picking up all these poor unemployed souls and putting them on the payroll with a living wage out of the goodness of their hearts?

If Debbie won’t answer the question, maybe one of you other libs can answer it for her? Anybody?

Joe Hussein Mama

February 25th, 2013
4:57 pm

RB — “If Debbie won’t answer the question, maybe one of you other libs can answer it for her? Anybody?”

Once again, have you stopped beating your wife yet?

DownInAlbany

February 25th, 2013
4:57 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

February 25th, 2013
4:50 pm

DIA — “And, I respect your opinion…”

Have you brainstormed any ideas on the matter? Any alternative systems or mechanisms that might alleviate that bind that businesses find themselves in with that?

Many, many times. Medical practitioners are held hostage by the insurance companies. Procedures they pay for today, they may not pay for tomorrow. Allowables for maximum units per day vary from payer to payer. It’s no wonder that business savvy doctors (not prevalent, actually) have two administrative employees for every provider….just to register, discharge, bill and collect. But, to answer your question, no, we have not come up with a viable alternative.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 25th, 2013
5:01 pm

DIA — “Many, many times. Medical practitioners are held hostage by the insurance companies. Procedures they pay for today, they may not pay for tomorrow. Allowables for maximum units per day vary from payer to payer. It’s no wonder that business savvy doctors (not prevalent, actually) have two administrative employees for every provider….just to register, discharge, bill and collect. But, to answer your question, no, we have not come up with a viable alternative.”

While I’m sure it would provoke a shrieking outcry from conservatives and libertarians alike, I’m beginning to come to the conclusion that the solution lies somewhere in the neighborhood of treating and regulating health care as a Federal or state *utility.*

DownInAlbany

February 25th, 2013
5:04 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

February 25th, 2013
5:01 pm

Damn, Joe. That’s gonna leave a mark! :) Have a good one, heading to the farm! I may pick this up later in the evening…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
5:05 pm

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
5:07 pm

DIA & JHM

How about a dual-layered system? I’ve suggested it before here, but I’ll lay out my personal idea for reform again.

Basic layer: Single payer type system for basic care such as what a family practice or clinic would provide. Use existing health clinics and allow private practices to join in the system if they choose to do so. As an incentive for ensuring enough doctors/nurses, you can implement a system to where one year’s school expenses are relieved for each 2 years working in a clinic. Use clinics for doctors/nurses to get their initial OJT training under experienced doctors. If they choose to specialize, then they can further their education at their own expense.

Secondary layer: Use current insurance system for catastrophic/hospitalization needs. That returns insurance to it’s intended need and does away with the added costs of basic care and administration of such.

Using clinics and single payer should eliminate the “emergency room” as primary care and cut costs to hospitals and insurance providers alike. As to the other things such as testing and stuff, I’ll leave that to the pros.

pogo

February 25th, 2013
5:10 pm

The Obama Presidency is the Chicken Little Presidency (at least when he doesn’t get his way).

The American people are tired of his endless self-created crises.

Then again, there are always people like getalife that Obama can count on to mindlessly follow him. I guess I should include Jay also.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
5:12 pm

…that Obama can count on to mindlessly follow him.

We will be greeted as liberators.

JamVet

February 25th, 2013
5:13 pm

The American people are tired of his endless self-created crises.

Hello?

BHO – 332
WMR – 206

(I predicted that Mitt would be hard pressed to get even 200 Electoral College votes but those nimrods in Indiana are intractable…)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
5:14 pm

RIP C. Everett Koop.

Steve

February 25th, 2013
5:17 pm

Sorry pogo – polls show that Americans are blaming Congress for this mess, not King Obozo or whatever you right wing trolls call him. Remember – the majority of Americans are not the demographics in these forums.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 25th, 2013
5:18 pm

Brosephus — “How about a dual-layered system? I’ve suggested it before here, but I’ll lay out my personal idea for reform again.”

I like the idea, and from what I understand, some European countries do just that with their nationalized systems. You get basic preventive and urgent care from the government, but for more exotic and unusual situations, private coverage is offered by a variety of companies.

I have no problem with that sort of system.

Liberal Mess

February 25th, 2013
5:19 pm

One thing that people should consider when looking at the tripe Jay posted. This information is coming from the White House. Should it be believed? I don’t think so….

Joe Hussein Mama

February 25th, 2013
5:19 pm

ogop — “The American people are tired of his endless self-created crises.”

Dude, give it a rest. You certainly don’t speak for the American people; given the disjointed and stream-of-consciousness bulldada you usually post, I’m not even entirely sure that you speak for *yourself.*

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
5:19 pm

RIP C. Everett Koop.

I was reading about his confirmation and arguments from his critics. It’s rare today that someone gives their word not to push their personal ideologies from their position and actually live up to that word. He’ll be missed for that, if nothing else.

RB from Gwinnett

February 25th, 2013
5:19 pm

“The American people are tired of his endless self-created crises.”

The half who are paying the bills are. The other half think all this is great and they can’t wait to pile on some more free stuff to the offering. Just check out the libs on this blog. Do you honestly think a single one of them gives a crap about either the debt or the tax increases Obama wants? The answer is “not a single dam one of them” because none of them think they’ll ever be asked to pay for any of it. It’s always those evil rich people who have to pay.

JamVet

February 25th, 2013
5:20 pm

McCain: Hagel will be confirmed this week

Steve

February 25th, 2013
5:21 pm

RB I’m a liberal and I make good money. What are you babbling about??!!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
5:21 pm

One thing that people should consider when looking at the tripe Jay posted conservatrolls post. This information is coming from the White House drudgey. Should it be believed? I don’t think so….

Steve

February 25th, 2013
5:22 pm

Austerity kills the stock market – breaking news

Worst day of the year on Wall Street
The Dow and S&P 500 suffered their biggest one-day declines since November 7 as U.S. stocks were whipsawed Monday by concerns about political instability in Italy.

JamVet

February 25th, 2013
5:22 pm

The half who are paying the bills are.

How does this kind of childish claptrap survive even as long as it does?

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
5:22 pm

JHM

I can see how we could pull off a system like that where the current system or a completely single payer system might not work. Our biggest hurdle is preventative care, and giving access to that would help a lot of our problems. In the case of the secondary level, there might be a need for a “public option” or something similar to keep the costs in check to avoid companies conspiring for the sake of profiteering.

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
5:24 pm

Do you honestly think a single one of them gives a crap about either the debt or the tax increases Obama wants?

Do you honestly interact with the people here to find out what they ACTUALLY are concerned about or do you simply allow your broad brushed thinking to work for you?

TBS: Posting on weekends so PD can cry on Monday

February 25th, 2013
5:25 pm

“The answer is “not a single dam one of them” because none of them think they’ll ever be asked to pay for any of it.”

Are you that stupid that you think no left leaning bloggers or left leaning voters for that matter pay Fed taxes or do you just like acting stupid via your posts?

Joe Hussein Mama

February 25th, 2013
5:27 pm

Brosephus — “In the case of the secondary level, there might be a need for a “public option” or something similar to keep the costs in check to avoid companies conspiring for the sake of profiteering.”

At the very least, if businesses only had to worry about providing this sort of coverage for their employees, it would reduce that burden significantly. And I think a happy follow-on effect would be to gain the support of the business community to find a solution that got employee health insurance out of their hair for good.

Perhaps private insurers would offer something akin to Medigap policies? If Doom were here, he could certainly elaborate on some of this.

Oscar

February 25th, 2013
5:28 pm

We now have a new definition of Liberals; that of poor people. Everyone making less than $100,000 a year is a liberal. Everyone making more than $100,000 is a con. Makes everything simple doesn’t it.

td

February 25th, 2013
5:31 pm

Only in the progressive logical world can a decrease in the automatic increase in spending be called “draconian cuts”. Good thing no one is actually paying attention to this mess.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 25th, 2013
5:31 pm

JamVet — “How does this kind of childish claptrap survive even as long as it does?”

RB’s pretty much marginalized himself over the last few months. I don’t think he’s actually looking for discussion — unless you happen to mostly or completely agree with him. From what I can tell, he’s just here spoiling for a fight and looking to be insulting. Then again, if you put up too good a fight, he’ll bleat about how you’re just ‘wasting his time’ and he’ll demand you not respond to him any more (and he’ll stop responding to you).

I don’t know what kind of horrible life someone has to have suffered in order to become as sour, hateful and poisonous a person as that, but RB certainly has my sympathies.

getalife

February 25th, 2013
5:32 pm

” Everyone making more than $100,000 is a con.”

In the real world, cons are mooching off ss and medicare.

They are full f it.

Oscar

February 25th, 2013
5:35 pm

With the consodition of hospitals, insurance companies are now becoming unable to control costs. They can’t negoiate payments down and costs and premiums are going up. Eventually, people will not be able to pay the premiums and they will vote for single payor – or extend medicar to apply to everyone.

TBS: Posting on weekends so PD can cry on Monday

February 25th, 2013
5:35 pm

JHM

I’ve noticed that as well. The ODS has certainly taken a fevered pitch since the election.

Welcome to the Occupation

February 25th, 2013
5:36 pm

TBS: “Are you that stupid that you think no left leaning bloggers or left leaning voters for that matter pay Fed taxes or do you just like acting stupid via your posts?”

Well, if you recall, we just had a major presidential candidate who flat out said the same thing. So in a way, guess you can’t blame the lemmings here from repeating this stuff. They’re just mouthing the things they’ve heard. They’re like children that way.

JamVet

February 25th, 2013
5:37 pm

RB’s just cranky but with out the charm, wit and humor of a Matthau, Lemmon or Meredith!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTP2fpQMCdw

RB from Gwinnett

February 25th, 2013
5:38 pm

“Are you that stupid that you think no left leaning bloggers or left leaning voters for that matter pay Fed taxes or do you just like acting stupid via your posts?”

Do you want to tell us the majority of the people paying no federal income taxes aren’t voting for liberals wholesale? Do you really want us to pretend the success of the liberal agenda doesn’t depend on convincing the “less fortunate” you’ll take care of them in exchange for their vote?

Go sell stupid somewhere else.

Ken

February 25th, 2013
5:39 pm

Obama,” line by line we will cut “, didn’t happen

TBS: Posting on weekends so PD can cry on Monday

February 25th, 2013
5:41 pm

RB

Back up what you said and don’t deflect. You reply is different from what your originally stated

You cry like a baby because you say DDR wont answer your question from earlier, yet you do your usual two right feet two step away from your own post

typical, but cry on with that STUPIDITY

JamVet

February 25th, 2013
5:45 pm

…people paying no federal income taxes aren’t voting for liberals wholesale?

Are you talking about the people like BP, General Electric, Boeing, Verizon, Navistar, Wells Fargo, DuPont, Honeywell, Apache, Baxter Intl, Conway, PG&E, Pepsi, Ryder and Duke Energy among many, many other people?

I believe RB is actually a super secret double agent intent on destroying the GOP…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
5:45 pm

Do you want to tell us the majority of the people paying no federal income taxes aren’t voting for liberals wholesale?

Moving the goalposts alert!

josef

February 25th, 2013
5:47 pm

Nearly 1000 posts on a single thread…okay…

Rough day at work today, so who I should I take it out on here? :-)

Welcome to the Occupation

February 25th, 2013
5:48 pm

RB from Gwinnett: “Do you want to tell us the majority of the people paying no federal income taxes aren’t voting for liberals wholesale?”

I’d bet money on it. I can assure you that there are considerable numbers of people with very low incomes who regularly vote Republican (can you say pasty white types living in places like Georgia, Mississippi, but in other regions too). Not to mention plenty of GOP-voting seniors, a group that makes up a portion of people who pay not Fed income tax. In addition to that, there is also a portion of wealthy people who zero out their Fed taxes through deductions, and you can bet your bottom dollar many of them vote GOP.

Besides, who cares. The fact that there are considerable numbers of people who pay no Fed income taxes is not an indictment of those people, it’s an indictment of a capitalist system that’s nut cutting the mustard. It’s proving itself to be just not up to snuff. And THAT is the real lesson of the people w/zero Fed taxes.

Madmax

February 25th, 2013
5:50 pm

JamVet

HWB is no longer president and whatever he did or didn’t do is just noise. That is not the issue. The issue is we’ve reached a stalemate because BHO doesn’t know how to gain consensus. This is the BHO presidency and he has failed to get a consensus for almost everything except the Sequester, which he is now backpedaling from. If a law is stupid, and the president knowingly promotes it and signs it into law and announces that he will veto any attempt to change it, and now changes his tune and tells us about all of the horrific outcomes of this legislation, what does that tell you about this president. It tells me that he’s another cheap lieing politician and why should I believe him this time when a year ago he was telling us it was good.

That Black Guy

February 25th, 2013
5:53 pm

RB from Gwinnett

February 25th, 2013
5:38 pm
“Are you that stupid that you think no left leaning bloggers or left leaning voters for that matter pay Fed taxes or do you just like acting stupid via your posts?”

Do you want to tell us the majority of the people paying no federal income taxes aren’t voting for liberals wholesale? Do you really want us to pretend the success of the liberal agenda doesn’t depend on convincing the “less fortunate” you’ll take care of them in exchange for their vote?

Go sell stupid somewhere else.
_______________________________
Aren’t we constantly told that military personnel vote overwhelmingly republician?

What % of enlisted personnel do you think fall squarely in the 47% non fed tax paying column?

getalife

February 25th, 2013
5:57 pm

josef,

Yes, think of the blog as the vent.

Welcome to the Occupation

February 25th, 2013
5:57 pm

RB: “Go sell stupid somewhere else.”

Look. We’re right and you’re wrong.

Tundra Dude

February 25th, 2013
5:58 pm

Josef:
Nearly 1000 posts on a single thread…okay…

on horseback riding, sounds like

Rough day at work today, so who I should I take it out on here?

Me. I honed my “debating” skills in waterfront bars….. ;-)

TBS: Posting on weekends so PD can cry on Monday

February 25th, 2013
5:59 pm

TBG

What better way to thank the middle to low ranking enlisted men and women who are putting their ass on the line than to call them “moochers”, “liberals” or whatever the current talking point of the day is dictating.

I’m sure they appreciate very much.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 25th, 2013
6:00 pm

If liberals are ’selling stupid,’ RB’s wholesaling it, right off the back of a semi trailer.

I’m out. Everyone drive safely.

josef

February 25th, 2013
6:00 pm

getalife

And HOW!!!

JAY
Sorry if I miss you…problem is, I’ve had well over my limit of the general public today…next time…break a leg…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 25th, 2013
6:00 pm

This is the BHO presidency and he has failed to get a consensus for almost everything except the Sequester, which he is now backpedaling from. If a law is stupid, and the president knowingly promotes it and signs it into law and announces that he will veto any attempt to change it, and now changes his tune and tells us about all of the horrific outcomes of this legislation, what does that tell you about this president

Horse blinders and slotted sunglasses that limit your vision to only a few inches are all the rage in the con world. It keeps their minds narrowly focused so that they see only what they want to see.

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
6:00 pm

Do you want to tell us the majority of the people paying no federal income taxes aren’t voting for liberals wholesale?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I think RB needs to go back and check the groups that make up the Fabled 47%.

But back to the 47 percent. There are two primary ways to pay no (or negative) federal income taxes. The first is to be poor, and the second is to be elderly. In 2011, of the 18.1 percent of American households who paid no federal tax (meaning, no federal income or payroll tax), more than half were elderly, and most of the other half were non-elderly people making below $20,000 a year. The other sliver, roughly one in 20 non-payers, were people who made more than $20,000 in household income.

The reason being poor helps is because, with a combination of tax credits (like the earned income credit and the child credit) and deductions, many people earning under $20,000 a year can zero out their overall rate. The primary reason being elderly helps is that Social Security benefits aren’t taxed as income, so if all (or most) of your income comes from your monthly Social Security check, your taxable income is marginal or non-existent.

So there you have it. The poor and elderly.

—————

More than 35,000 of American households who make over $200,000 annually, paid no income tax to the federal government in 2009, according to a new study by the IRS.

For 2009, of the 3,975,288 tax returns with expanded
income of $200,000 or more, 35,061 (0.882
percent) had no U.S. income tax liability; and 19,551
(0.492 percent) had no worldwide income tax liability.

Ninja

February 25th, 2013
6:01 pm

Fewer fascist TSA agents feeling up innocents? Good, get rid of them and cut down on people’s travel time. It’s not like these double digit IQ folk are making anyone SAFER after all, it’s all for show anyway.

Welcome to the Occupation

February 25th, 2013
6:01 pm

Every time some con gurgles and whines about large swaths paying no income taxes, let them answer the question of why capitalism is sucking wind, not keeping up, not hacking it, …….. in the end analysis, just not cutting the mustard.

Should we hand capitalism an oxygen mask so that it doesn’t pant its poor self to death, or should we go ahead and drive a mallet into the back of its skull, crushing it and giving it the coup de grace?

josef

February 25th, 2013
6:02 pm

TUNDRA

Trust you had a good break…Unmentionable met me at the door with my G&T already mixed…

getalife

February 25th, 2013
6:03 pm

Cue the gop are weak on national security ads.

The gop say the dems are trying to scare the people after 8 years of the gop trying to scare people.

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
6:04 pm

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/charting-romneys-47-that-dont-pay-income-tax-2012-09-18

Mitt Romney’s campaign was engulfed with questions after a leaked video showing the Republican presidential candidate lamenting the high percentage of people — 47%, in his words — that don’t pay federal income tax that he believes won’t vote for him. He’s roughly right in terms of the numbers (this data is only through 2010 — a separate analysis by the Tax Policy Center gets to 46%), if perhaps not in electoral assessment, as many seniors and veterans who are likely to vote Republican are in this bracket. Child tax credits and earned income tax credits are some of the exemptions that allow for income earners not to owe tax. But the big trigger was the Tax Reform Act of 1986, which increased the value of the standard deduction and nearly doubled the size of the personal exemption, according to the Tax Foundation.

josef

February 25th, 2013
6:06 pm

getalife
@ 6:03

Well, them are some scary people…

getalife

February 25th, 2013
6:12 pm

josef,

The gop did a good job of scaring the cons on aq.

They were scared to death.

Tundra Dude

February 25th, 2013
6:12 pm

Jo:
Trust you had a good break…Unmentionable met me at the door with my G&T already mixed…

Oh, kewl…
(had a great day shopping, with free $$ from the casino)

Welcome to the Occupation

February 25th, 2013
6:13 pm

RB, you see a those people who are not paying Fed incoming taxes and you see a bunch of spongers, a bunch of moochers and layabouts.

Me, I see it differently. I see a twenty plus unemployed people and a capitalist system that is unable — which is to say, unwilling — to put to them to work. The capitalists, who sit on a cash hoard of trillions, refuse to use that money to put to work millions upon millions of people who are desperate for it, and the reason it is unwilling to do it, in addition to the fact that our debt-inflated banking system allows them to reap far better profits through speculation than from productive investment, is that the reserve army of the unemployed is THE essential cudgel that they rely upon to exercise social discipline. So the incentive for them to do nothing and to leave out in the cold the huge numbers either unemployed or not earning sufficiently to even qualify to pay Fed income taxes is total under our current system.

So THAT is what you should be whining about, not whining with the capitalists (of which you are obviously NOT one) over some people not paying into Fed income taxes.

josef

February 25th, 2013
6:15 pm

TUNDRA

Which casino was that…

getalife

Well, you know me…anybody in politics scares me….

TBS: Posting on weekends so PD can cry on Monday

February 25th, 2013
6:17 pm

“Well, you know me…anybody in politics scares me….”

you have a good point

getalife

February 25th, 2013
6:18 pm

josef,

Are you going to get a pay cut like Bro?

F. Sinkwich

February 25th, 2013
6:18 pm

“House Republican leaders returned to Washington … accusing President Obama of being a “road show president” days before automatic spending cuts are set to take effect. “The president proposed the sequester, yet he’s far more interested in holding campaign rallies than he is in urging Senate Democrats to actually pass a plan,” Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) said…”

John nailed it. All O’bozo knows how to do is agitate communities, demagogue, and behave like a spoiled child expecting rewards for his tantrums. Unfortunately his arrested development impacts this great country in a very bad way. Because it’s common knowledge this doofuss couldn’t lead a one float parade, the MSM is only too willing to prop him up.

So sad it’s pathetic. But even more pathetic is the bulk of posts here defending that loser.

josef

February 25th, 2013
6:19 pm

TBS
“,,,you have a good point”

Problem is, it’s on top of my haid! :-)

TBS: Posting on weekends so PD can cry on Monday

February 25th, 2013
6:19 pm

“But even more pathetic is the bulk of posts here defending that loser.”

Who is defending the Speaker?

josef

February 25th, 2013
6:20 pm

getalife

Probably not…but we’ll probably be in for more and more furlough days…

getalife

February 25th, 2013
6:22 pm

“but we’ll probably be in for more and more furlough days…”

Do you get paid for those?

josef

February 25th, 2013
6:26 pm

getalife

No. However, those “furloughed” go ahead and take themselves a “sick day”later to make up for it, and the stupid idiots down to the school board wind up paying twice, once for the sick day and once for the sub…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
6:28 pm

O’bozo™**

**Witchie-poo spam. All rights reserved.

Rightwing troll

February 25th, 2013
6:30 pm

“The Obama Presidency is the Chicken Little Presidency (at least when he doesn’t get his way).

The American people are tired of his endless self-created crises.”

The election last November says what?

getalife

February 25th, 2013
6:31 pm

josef,

For the record, I do not think it is right for you and Bro to pay for the gop’s reckless spending and the greed involved in the collapse.

F. Sinkwich

February 25th, 2013
6:36 pm

“The election last November says what?”

I know! I know! Pick me!

He who robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on Paul’s vote.

51% of the voters in this country are Paulista’s. Sadly is fear that percentage is growing…

TBS: Posting on weekends so PD can cry on Monday

February 25th, 2013
6:36 pm

josef

When I worked at the large employer just south of the city, they changed the sick day policy to what they called PTO (personal time off days). Of course there were much less PTO days, but you could use them of course sick days and also put in for time off like a vacation day.

Average number of days people were out increased, but from an accounting standpoint they didn’t have as much allotted to the employee as a benefit even though they were losing productivity based on the avg increase in time off.

It was a silly shell game that actually brought them less productivity but they “saved” money on paper. I’m sure some HR and Finance VP probably received a bonus for all that “on paper” savings.

BSNBC

February 25th, 2013
6:37 pm

Obama heading for another vacation soon! Hope you people can work out things among yourselves!!

Jackie

February 25th, 2013
6:39 pm

@Sinkwich

Were you upset because President Obama would not let you ride on his float?

josef

February 25th, 2013
6:39 pm

getalife

well, it is what it is…

getalife

February 25th, 2013
6:42 pm

“well, it is what it is…”

It is needless and ridiculous when we should be hiring not firing ..

F. Sinkwich

February 25th, 2013
6:43 pm

AJC:

“Atlantans were paying an average of $3.79 a gallon for gasoline early Monday, an increase of nearly a dime since a week ago and 67 cents more than the mid-December price.”

O’bozo = EPIC FAIL

Oscar

February 25th, 2013
6:45 pm

Join the pointed head aand tin foil hat alliance.

Oscar

February 25th, 2013
6:46 pm

Has it ever been what it isn’t?

USA Patriot

February 25th, 2013
6:46 pm

OMG! The US is coming to an end on 3/1/13 because of an $85B reduction in the “planned” spending of a budget (haven’t seen one in a number of years)!!! Amazing how much $85B can buy these days. Where’s the rest of the money going?

josef

February 25th, 2013
6:46 pm

TBS

We get a set number of sick days and three “personal leave days.” We owe no explanation for the latter, but the former kick in with a “medical excuse” at a certain point. We can accrue to a point and on retirement/separation are paid for number of those not taken. Toward the end there folks wind up taking the sick days accrued down to the level of what they’ll be paid for. Again, the cost of that day plus the cost of a sub…it’s a joke in the long run…Me? As I tell them if they get too uppity, I’ve got enough sick days accrued to take almost two years off, so don’t mess with me! :-)

Oscar

February 25th, 2013
6:47 pm

Dr. Koop died. A good public official

Jackie

February 25th, 2013
6:50 pm

My goodness, it has been reported the problem with rising gas prices has to do with the refineries – seven of them – taking themselves offline.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/02/why-are-gas-prices-are-suddenly-so-high-blame-the-refineries/273476/

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
6:51 pm

F. Sinkwich

February 25th, 2013
6:53 pm

“As I tell them if they get too uppity, I’ve got enough sick days accrued to take almost two years off, so don’t mess with me!”

josef is a model employee.

Bwaahahahahahahaha

josef

February 25th, 2013
6:54 pm

OSCAR

:-) I’ll add that to my résumé!

USA

Ciao bene! Come vai oggi?

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
6:54 pm

For the record, I do not think it is right for you and Bro to pay for the gop’s reckless spending and the greed involved in the collapse.

As josef said, it is what it is. All it means is that, taking money from me leads to less money for me to spend with local businesses. If the GOP wants to try to crash the economy to prove a point, I say let them f**k it completely up.

F. Sinkwich

February 25th, 2013
6:55 pm

Jackie just can’t blame O’bozo for anything.

Yo Jackie, the buck stops somewhere, doesn’t it?

BSNBC

February 25th, 2013
6:57 pm

Cut the military and all the domestic handouts but don’t cut the Obama vacations and the congress payrolls and benefits!

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (aka "Knuckle-Dragger")

February 25th, 2013
6:57 pm

THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!

Somehow I missed the “Management by Continuous Crisis” class in graduate school – it seems like it would have been required by the democrats, since that is their favored method of governing.

Beyond the Military and CDC, can’t see where we will miss much. Shut all the rest of it down, and let private industry take over. POWER TO THE PEOPLE! Let the good times roll.

F. Sinkwich

February 25th, 2013
6:57 pm

Bro:

“All it means is that, taking money from me leads to less money for me to spend with local businesses.”

Wow. He finally understands what higher taxes do to society.

Get the smelling salts…

getalife

February 25th, 2013
6:59 pm

“If the GOP wants to try to crash the economy to prove a point, I say let them f**k it completely up.”

They already did and the people should be stopping them from doing it again.

josef

February 25th, 2013
6:59 pm

OSCAR

Dr. Koop, RIP

One of my heroes, he!

SINKWICH

I garr-un-tee you that you couldn’t've done what I did today…you lack the tact and diplomacy…not to mention the language skills and knowledge of the inner workings of the bureaucratic system…

K’CHAK

:-)

USA Patriot

February 25th, 2013
7:01 pm

Ciao, josef! It’s a full moon monday, can’t ya tell on this blog? That’s how the day went.

E, come è stata la tua giornata?

bman.

February 25th, 2013
7:02 pm

Hey, we’ve all suffered under this administration. Share in the pain…

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 25th, 2013
7:02 pm

Well, I see we’re finally reaching out to get the women’s vote. It’s about time.

http://www.theonion.com/video/republicans-reach-out-to-women-with-new-no-punch-p,31381/

TBS: Posting on weekends so PD can cry on Monday

February 25th, 2013
7:02 pm

josef

I don’t know how in all their infinite wisdom they didn’t see it coming. Maybe they did and the “paper savings” outweighed the loss in productivity.

For individuals who averaged more sick days than the new policy it hurt them because if their trend continued they had to use vacation days, no pay or even short term disability if required. Problem is those people didn’t overcome the number of folks who didn’t use many sick days, but were given the ability to use them like vacation as long as they requested in advance. Of course, why wouldn’t you use most of them and save a few for “rainy days” and that is what people did and I’m sure still do.

They may have saved money on paper but their business skill sets and experience went out the window when they misjudged the increase in loss productivity by employees whose time off increased via “approved” PTO that wouldn’t have been available under the old plan with more available sick time.

It isn’t just government that bumbles and fumbles because of bureaucracy. Many large, legacy companies have the same exact problem.

Jackie

February 25th, 2013
7:03 pm

@Sinkwich

Metaphorically, the buck does stop somewhere; the question remains is where does it stop?

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
7:04 pm

Wow. He finally understands what higher taxes do to society.

Higher taxes do no such bullsh*t. If that were the case, this country would have not survived from the 1950’s until Reagan cut taxes way low. Higher taxes actually means we would need to borrow less and we would be pulling ourselves up by our bootstraps instead of going to Uncle Sugar aka China to pay for our sh*t.

josef

February 25th, 2013
7:04 pm

BROSEPHUS

Yep. Some people don’t understand that for some of us there is a motivation to do what we do in service to the public beyond money. Then, there are those who DO, and they’re the one’s screwing us!

indigo

February 25th, 2013
7:07 pm

Jay – 8:47 AM – “and almost all of them from programs that assist the poor”

Republicans know the poor cannot contribute any funding to Party elections and re-elections. So, the weak, as always, make an easy target.

Money = ALL

Conscience – NONE

josef

February 25th, 2013
7:08 pm

USA

Era un tour dei circoli quinto e sesto dell’Inferno di Dante! :-)

F. Sinkwich

February 25th, 2013
7:09 pm

“I garr-un-tee you that you couldn’t’ve done what I did today…”

josef, an eight hour nap isn’t much of an accomplishment.

Just sayin’

josef

February 25th, 2013
7:10 pm

TBS

Yep. That’s about the size of it…like you said, it’s a shell game…

moonbat betty

February 25th, 2013
7:10 pm

Full moon Monday?

Put on your hair nets!

jhunt163

February 25th, 2013
7:11 pm

The first time we attempt real cuts and everyone goes bat crap crazy. Unbelievable.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 25th, 2013
7:12 pm

Higher taxes? Because a proposal to limit the deductions the top 2% can take so that they cannot go below a 30% effective rate (with exclusions for charitable contributions from the rule) is asking way too much…. I am sure those in the 28% tax bracket will certainly tell you how “unfair” that is. However with 14% effective rate Mitt afford it?

josef

February 25th, 2013
7:15 pm

SINKWICH

First off, it was an 11 hour day there (the report is on the other screen right now, being “fine-tuned” to fit the right jargon) and, boy, howdee, if I COULD’VE napped, I sure would’ve..I didn’t even have time to grab a cup of coffee, much less lunch…but, hey, it is what it is… :-)

josef

February 25th, 2013
7:16 pm

moonbat

I ain’t got no hair left…already pulled it out! :-)

Orange13

February 25th, 2013
7:18 pm

What are the odds of 16 straight years of ineffective presidential governance?

F. Sinkwich

February 25th, 2013
7:19 pm

Well Jackie, perhaps you could chronical O’bozo’s successful efforts to reduce energy prices anywhere.

You can’t, because he has a war on fossil fuels. His Sec of Energy said our gas prices must equal Europe’s. O’bozo himself said he would kill coal, which he’s done.

That idiot wants everyone on a bicycle with a solar powered windmill energizing dim curly bulbs in a 500 sqf house.

USA Patriot

February 25th, 2013
7:20 pm

josef – Beh, speriamo di avere una serata migliore. Grazie, josef, mi godo questi scambi.

Hai una buona serata! Fate i bravi!

josef

February 25th, 2013
7:21 pm

ORANGE
@ 7:18

Odds? Pretty good I’d say, got over 200 years of it already…

Jackie

February 25th, 2013
7:22 pm

It is hard to understand why the so-called conservatives have religion about cutting government spending, especially in the middle of a fragile recovery where the private sector is still sitting on their profits to the tune of $2 Trillion dollars.

Without money injected into the system, the demand of the consumer is negated by the fact they do not have money to spend to generate more supply(jobs).

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/01/30/government-is-hurting-the-economy-by-spending-too-little/

bman.

February 25th, 2013
7:22 pm

“That idiot wants everyone on a bicycle with a solar powered windmill energizing dim curly bulbs in a 500 sqf house.”

Georgia’s very own Roy Barnes feels this way, too. Every night – every single night, his house is lit up like a Christmas tree (inside and out).

moonbat betty

February 25th, 2013
7:23 pm

“already pulled it out”

Well, josef, consider yourself lucky.

At least you don’t have to worry about it for awhile…

Some pay good money for that.

josef

February 25th, 2013
7:24 pm

USA

Mi piacciono anche. Grazie per l’occasione. E più G & T, meglio è! :-)

Jackie

February 25th, 2013
7:26 pm

@Sinkwich

President Obama has increased fossil fuel exploration in the USA. Matter of fact, fossil fuels are being brought to the market to such an extent there is limited storage for all the oil and gas being produced.

Easy reading.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2013/02/130225-us-gas-price-spike-refineries/

josef

February 25th, 2013
7:26 pm

moonbat

Well, there is that! :-)

moonbat betty

February 25th, 2013
7:26 pm

“That idiot wants everyone on a bicycle with a solar powered windmill energizing dim curly bulbs in a 500 sqf house.”

Viva Europa!

jhunt163

February 25th, 2013
7:27 pm

the private sector is still sitting on their profits to the tune of $2 Trillion dollars”

Yes because most of that money is parked overseas. They have no incentive to bring it home.

USA Patriot

February 25th, 2013
7:29 pm

Jackie 7:22 – “It is hard to understand why the so-called conservatives have religion about cutting government spending, especially in the middle of a fragile recovery where the private sector is still sitting on their profits to the tune of $2 Trillion dollars.”

Yep, full moon, the idiots are out this evening. Oh, by the way Jackie, you can multiply that number the private sector is “sitting” on.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
7:29 pm

They have no incentive to bring it home.

And there’s your sign.

Jackie

February 25th, 2013
7:30 pm

@jhunt163

The private sector will have to bring those profits back to the USA because the world is moving to a new accounting standard where housed profits will be taxed.

Secondly, the corporations purport to hold the money until Europe becomes more stable.

Orange13

February 25th, 2013
7:31 pm

“The first time we attempt real cuts and everyone goes bat crap crazy”

Well yeah. Especially if it’s going to hit you in the billfold/purse right off the get go like it is going to in relation to some people on here.

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
7:32 pm

Yes because most of that money is parked overseas. They have no incentive to bring it home.

If the eventual collapse of America isn’t enough incentive, then I don’t know what is. Our economy is just like our circulatory system. When the blood (money) circulates well, everything’s ok. When the system get’s clogged, you end up with a stroke or a heart attack that’s gonna hurt or even be fatal in worst case scenario. When one side of the heart has to pump harder to keep the blood circulating, as the current situation with the public sector trying to keep the economy going by increasing spending, you eventually end up with heart failure and/or a heart attack.

Holding currency out of the economy does more damage than $16T worth of government spending could ever do.

Jackie

February 25th, 2013
7:33 pm

@USA

You state the “idiots are out this evening.” Didn’t know they gave you a pass?

moonbat betty

February 25th, 2013
7:34 pm

Sorry, but Obama and the democrats have been a wet blanket on the economy since 06.

Bad for business period.

Jackie

February 25th, 2013
7:35 pm

@Brosephus

Many of the so-called conservatives do not want to acknowledge the fact that the USA is one-fourth of the WORLD’S economy.

If we sink, the world sinks.

getalife

February 25th, 2013
7:35 pm

The corps are not sitting on that money, it is to cover their losses in another collapse.

No more bailouts.

jhunt163

February 25th, 2013
7:36 pm

The private sector will have to bring those profits back to the USA because the world is moving to a new accounting standard where housed profits will be taxed.

The world can’t agree on anything. There always be some version ofCayman Islands or Irish banks to park money I will believe on the whole world agreeing to it when I see it.

Jackie

February 25th, 2013
7:36 pm

Please list your reasons as to why you think President Obama has been a “wet blanket” for business?

Jackie

February 25th, 2013
7:38 pm

@jhunt163

Apparently, the majority of your “factual” news comes from either FOX or RUSH.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/sns-rt-us-accounting-standards-usbre91o0qk-20130225,0,6105141.story

moonbat betty

February 25th, 2013
7:38 pm

Funny how the so called liberals think this economy is great…

I guess they can’t tell the difference.

I wonder why??

Peadawg

February 25th, 2013
7:38 pm

“Bad for business period.”

Record profits says, “What?”

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
7:38 pm

CAN I GET AN AMEN?!!

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
7:38 pm

Sorry, but Obama and the democrats have been a wet blanket on the economy since 06.

Nah, POLITICIANS have been a wet blanket on our economy since the 1970s.

josef

February 25th, 2013
7:38 pm

Okay, here’s a million dollars…what are YOU going to do with it?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
7:39 pm

Oops for got the quote.

Holding currency out of the economy does more damage than $16T worth of government spending could ever do.

CAN I GET AN AMEN?!!

F. Sinkwich

February 25th, 2013
7:39 pm

“…where the private sector is still sitting on their profits to the tune of $2 Trillion dollars.”

Perhaps they could hire josef to nap.

Sadly, some people have no clue about business.

josef

February 25th, 2013
7:42 pm

SINKWICH

“Perhaps they could hire josef to nap.”

As Reb Tevye would say, “I would agree if they would agree…” :-)

jhunt163

February 25th, 2013
7:43 pm

“The IASB, whose rules are used in over 100 countries”

Unfortunately, the State Department recognizes 194 Countries, not including City States. I am sure some of them have banks.

Jackie

February 25th, 2013
7:43 pm

The economy would be great if there were a way to get the so-called conservatives to understand what the House Repubs are doing to this country.

One simple solution to our economic morass is the refusal of the House to allocate money to refurbish our 70,000 substandard bridges.

As most folks know, there is a multiplier of 2 – for every dollar invested, 2 dollars is put back in the economy – for simply refurbishing a bridge.

How many people would that employ? OMB estimates 3 million.

TBS: Posting on weekends so PD can cry on Monday

February 25th, 2013
7:43 pm

Bro @ 7:32

Bingo. If the number of people who took advantage of “cheap credit” over the last 30 years had been much less, we would have grown to a halt years ago. Problem now is that the credit card is full and consumer demand is down.

Same people want to talk about supply and demand, don’t want to talk about what drives 70% plus of the economy………. the consumer

td

February 25th, 2013
7:44 pm

Jackie

February 25th, 2013
7:26 pm

@Sinkwich

President Obama has increased fossil fuel exploration in the USA. Matter of fact, fossil fuels are being brought to the market to such an extent there is limited storage for all the oil and gas being produced.

First, Fact most all increased oil exploration has been done on private lands by private companies. The Obama administration has actually done a great deal to cut the potential of increased production on public lands (which by the way could be bringing revenues into the government). Let us not forget about the 2 to 3 million more jobs the Keystone pipeline would be providing to the economy now.

As far as storage capacity and refining capacity (which is the real reason gas prices are so high) then you need to blame the environmental movement and government regulations for permitting, environmental policies and safety.

We are paying for now the years we (the nation) have allowed the environmental whackos to run around and get their way.

barking frog

February 25th, 2013
7:45 pm

F. Sinkwich
What effect does leaving overseas earnings there have
on the economy?

Jackie

February 25th, 2013
7:46 pm

@jhunt163

Do you think those remaining countries, whoever they may be, will have such an impact as to cause the world’s economy to falter?

Glad you read the article.

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
7:46 pm

Same people want to talk about supply and demand, don’t want to talk about what drives 70% plus of the economy………. the consumer

Exactly, and the economy is like the honey badger in that it doesn’t give a sh*t who the consumer is, where the money comes from, and/or who’s actually footing the bill. All that matters is that we have consumption, the more the better.

USA Patriot

February 25th, 2013
7:47 pm

“Didn’t know they gave you a pass?”

Passed right by ya knucklehead! Oh, oh, oh, is that you w/ one headlight out in the distance behind me?

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
7:47 pm

TBS

One thing I’ve been curious about with the credit is that, if less people had gone overboard with credit, how much less would the crash in 2008 have been since it was credit fueled.

F. Sinkwich

February 25th, 2013
7:48 pm

“When the system get’s clogged, you end up with a stroke or a heart attack that’s gonna hurt or even be fatal in worst case scenario.”

Yep. That’s what high taxes do all right.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
7:49 pm

If the number of people who took advantage of “cheap credit” over the last 30 years had been much less, we would have grown to a halt years ago.

I don’t know about a complete halt, but we definitely wouldn’t have had the rapid growth booms. The same people that went long on the markets during the booms were also first in line to short the markets when they went bust.

I think the financial industry has become addicted to this boom/bust cycle.

They need an intervention

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
7:50 pm

Let us not forget about the 2 to 3 million more jobs the Keystone pipeline would be providing to the economy now.

Got a cite for that number because that seems awful high for a single pipeline?

Jackie

February 25th, 2013
7:50 pm

@td

Does it matter where the fossil fuel comes from? I think the fuels found in the Middle East are on private land, don’t you?

And that Keystone foolishness is just that, foolishness. At best, it would generate 2,000 jobs yearly unless there were a disaster and we had to employ many thousands to try and clean up the aquifers it would pollute.

http://www.4-traders.com/IMPERIAL-OIL-LIMITED-1410448/news/U-S-shale-boom-forces-change-in-Canadian-oil-patch-16299786/

TBS: Posting on weekends so PD can cry on Monday

February 25th, 2013
7:51 pm

td: you must be talking natural gas which has certainly been increasing on private lands…………….

“Overall, the percentage of U.S.-produced natural gas from federal lands — relative to that produced from private ones — fell significantly over the past eight years, from 35% to 21%, reported Sieminski.

Oil production is more a mixed bag. On state and private lands, oil production was actually going down in the 2000s, leveled off between fiscal years 2007 and 2010, then went up by 385,000 barrels a day in fiscal year 2011, when the most recent data are available, Sieminski said.

On federal and Indian lands, as well as federally approved offshore drilling sites, oil production went up from 1.6 million barrels per day to 2 million barrels per day between fiscal years 2008 and 2010. But it dropped to 1.8 million barrels per day for the last fiscal year available, a decrease that the U.S. Energy Information Administration attributes to the impact of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

Despite the one-year drop in production, oil production on federal and Indian lands from 2009 through 2011 totaled 2.027 million barrels. That’s an average of 675,000 barrels per year during Obama’s term, compared to an average annual production of 609,000 barrels annually during Bush’s last term.”

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/04/politics/fact-check-oil-gas

But you knew that already, right?

F. Sinkwich

February 25th, 2013
7:52 pm

“One simple solution to our economic morass is the refusal of the House to allocate money to refurbish our 70,000 substandard bridges.”

Bwaahahahahahahaha

Shovel ready!!! Stimulus you mean? Been there, done that. Pissed away $1 trillion on that one.

jhunt163

February 25th, 2013
7:52 pm

Do you think those remaining countries, whoever they may be, will have such an impact as to cause the world’s economy to falter?

I think water travels to the path of least resistance. Money parked in banks, is invested in banks and that investment will drive an economy.

hamiltonAZ

February 25th, 2013
7:52 pm

Congress wants to reduce the deficit in a weak economy. Without new taxes on high-income Americans, the cuts will cause higher unemployment, lower productivity – probably end the economic recovery.
Contrary to the noise, spending didn’t get us to this place, the revenue shortfall caused by the Bush tax cuts did. Like it or not, the public will not stand for cutting Social Security (notice who was elected President) and, while government spending can be reduced, revenue will have to increase.
In the meantime, we will stagnate until the scofflaws in congress recognized that normal budget processes are the only way to build confidence in the USA.
Running the engine of the world (USA) on continuing resolutions is less like Tarzan swinging from vine to vine and more like George of the Jungle.

Jackie

February 25th, 2013
7:53 pm

@USA

Glad to know that you will try to defend your specious position.
Know that we have that little unpleasantness out of the way, when you address me with any of your other pejoratives, be sure I am coming back at you with the same fury.

TBS: Posting on weekends so PD can cry on Monday

February 25th, 2013
7:54 pm

td

You did say “exploration” and not extraction, so for that I give you a deserved pass.

But I am sure you know that oil production on government land is higher today than it was under Bush even with decreased permits, right?

Jackie

February 25th, 2013
7:54 pm

@jhunt163

How can money parked ANYWHERE drive any investment without spending that money on the investment of choice?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

February 25th, 2013
7:54 pm

Best comparison video I’ve seen.

Assault Rifle vs. Sporting Rifle

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=8C-CLsMRcA0

josef

February 25th, 2013
7:55 pm

Okay, paid time off, full moons and government employees…

I don’t know if they still do or not, but there was a time when the Mississippi State Hospital (the looney bin) paid a 10% dividend to employees who worked during the full moon…it wasn’t that they were buying in to the folk wisdom, but they did have trouble filling the slots that were being left unstaffed from folks taking the PTO at that time…

getalife

February 25th, 2013
7:56 pm

“Phil Gramm is the Forrest Gump of financial calamity. Time and again, his face appears at key moments in history. Unlike Gump, Gramm is usually planting the seeds of future disaster whenever he pops up.

Former Texas Senator Gramm is best known for his fine work dismantling financial regulations in the 1990s, which helped bring us the financial crisis of the mid-to-late-2000s. But he is also the intellectual father of the latest nightmare deviling the economy: the sequester.

Gramm was co-author of the Gramm-Rudman-Hollings Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985, in which the idea of the “sequester,” or “sequestration,” was introduced as a fancy term for “nightmarish budget cuts.” In fact, Gramm was the guy who introduced the idea of using sequestration as a whip to goad policy makers into cutting the deficit, Marketplace points out.”

Get out of our economy gop.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

February 25th, 2013
7:57 pm

AP

“As Obama prepares to visit Newport News, Va., to highlight spending cuts, House GOP leaders urge the president to hunker down with Congress to reach an alternative to looming spending cuts, saying it is not the time for ‘campaigning.’ “

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
7:57 pm

Yep. That’s what high taxes do all right.

Ok, which one of the talking dipsh*ts used the code word “high taxes” today?

Jackie

February 25th, 2013
7:57 pm

@Sinkwich

Check out the link that clearly shows how the stimulus money was/was not spent.

http://www.news9.com/story/21096213/four-years-later-federal-stimulus-money-still-unspent

Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking

February 25th, 2013
7:59 pm

Been there, done that. Pissed away $1 trillion on that one.

So, you’re in agreement that tax cuts don’t spur growth, huh?

jhunt163

February 25th, 2013
7:59 pm

How can money parked ANYWHERE drive any investment without spending that money on the investment of choice?

That’s right, I forgot, banks don’t invest deposits. They simply make huge amounts of cash from checking club fees….

dixie normous

February 25th, 2013
8:00 pm

its always time for campaigning for obama. he has to do what he knows. he sure as hell cant lead.

moonbat betty

February 25th, 2013
8:02 pm

“Please list your reasons as to why you think President Obama has been a “wet blanket” for business?”

Jackie,

Main reason is perception.

The perception is that dems are not concerned with providing opportunities for small business and the middle class to thrive and recover.

Perception is everything.

I know the libs here working for the government see it differently as they obviously have been doing much better since 5 years ago, but that is not the reality for most in the private sector.

The dems and obama are throwing out a dog and pony show.

TBS: Posting on weekends so PD can cry on Monday

February 25th, 2013
8:03 pm

Bro

I think it is a double edged sword that of course has been sharpening for 30 or more years and culminated with the housing bubble bursting.

Less credit used by individuals and companies would have certainly lessened the blow imo, however there would not have been as many jobs without the additional funds in circulation.

Beyond my pay grade to say which side of the coin did we want as individuals, companies and a country, but certainly it was a double edged sword that was going to cut at sometime.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 25th, 2013
8:03 pm

The private sector relies on Madison Avenue for reality.

getalife

February 25th, 2013
8:03 pm

The gop should never opine about our economy again.

They are disaster waiting to happen.

bman.

February 25th, 2013
8:04 pm

I admit that I find it a bit odd that Obama and the Reps are talking about each other, and not to each other.

moonbat betty

February 25th, 2013
8:05 pm

BTW,

That link from Soothsayer on what a trillion $$ looks like earlier today was cool if you didn’t see it.

h/t Soothy. :)

Jackie

February 25th, 2013
8:06 pm

@jhunt163

When anyone makes a capital investment, they are doing it to benefit the investor, not the economy.

Bank A invest $1 Trillion dollars; Bank A gets the Return On Invest, no one else.

moonbat betty