How sequestration will affect Ga. citizens, businesses
Because of required furloughs and spending reductions for TSA security agents, FAA air traffic controllers, customs agents and other personnel, flight delays of up to four hours are predicted at major airports such as Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport.
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On Friday, March 1, federal spending cuts forced by sequestration will be implemented. The total amount of spending to be cut — $85 billion — is somewhat small, but its impact is magnified by three specific provisions of the sequestration law:
1.) Major budgetary areas such as Social Security, interest on the debt, the Department of Veterans Affairs and military pay are off-limits to cuts. Cuts in Medicare reimbursement are limited to 2 percent. That concentrates spending reductions to remaining portions of the budget.
2.) By law, federal agencies that do face sequestration do not have the ability to pick and choose which programs will be cut or by how much. All cuts must be across the board, by meat cleaver rather than scalpel.
3.) The law requires savings in the current fiscal year, which began in October 2012. Because the required cuts are not being implemented until March, they must be backloaded into the final months of fiscal 2013, compounding the impact. As a result, non-defense discretionary spending will be cut by 9 percent for the remainder of the fiscal year; defense spending will be cut by 13 percent.
As a result of the provisions outlined above, the consequences of the sequestration are relatively simple to project. Here is a sampling of the impact on Georgia, as outlined by the Office of Management and Budget:
Teachers and Schools: Georgia will lose approximately $28.6 million in funding for primary and secondary education, putting around 390 teacher and aide jobs at risk. In addition about 54,000 fewer students would be served and approximately 80 fewer schools would receive funding.
– Education for Children with Disabilities: In addition, Georgia will lose approximately $17.5
million in funds for about 210 teachers, aides, and staff who help children with disabilities.
Military Readiness: In Georgia, approximately 37,000 civilian Department of Defense employees would be furloughed, reducing gross pay by around $190.1 million in total.
– Army: Base operation funding would be cut by about $233 million in Georgia.
– Air Force: Funding for Air Force operations in Georgia would be cut by about $5 million.
Vaccines for Children: In Georgia around 4,180 fewer children will receive vaccines for diseases such as measles, mumps, rubella, tetanus, whooping cough, influenza, and Hepatitis B due to reduced funding for vaccinations of about $286,000.
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Aviation is a major industry in Georgia. Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport boasts the busiest airport in the world, and many businesses are located in the metro Atlanta region because of easy access to Hartsfield. However, spending cuts required by sequestration will greatly reduce the efficiency of the national system. As the OMB reports:
Aviation – At the major gateway airports, average wait times could increase by 30-50 percent. At the nation’s busiest airports, like Newark, JFK, LAX, and Chicago O’Hare, peak wait times could grow to over 4 hours or more.
Aviation security – The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) would reduce its front-line workforce, which would substantially increase passenger wait times at airport security checkpoints. TSA would need to initiate a hiring freeze for all transportation security officer positions in March, eliminate overtime and furlough its 50,000 officers for up to seven days.
Aviation safety – The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) would be forced to undergo a funding cut of more than $600 million. This action would force the FAA to undergo an immediate retrenchment of core functions by reducing operating costs and eliminating or reducing services to various segments of the flying community… The furlough of a large number of air traffic controllers and technicians would require a reduction in air traffic to a level that could be safely managed by the remaining staff, resulting in slower air traffic in major cities, as well as delays and disruptions across the country during the critical summer travel season.
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Other impacts, also as reported by OMB:
Small business assistance – Small Business Administration (SBA) loan guarantees would be cut by up to approximately $900 million, constraining financing needed by small businesses to maintain and expand their operations and create jobs.
Oil and gas permitting – Development of oil and gas on Federal lands and waters would slow down, due to cuts in programs at the Department of the Interior (DOI) and other agencies that plan for new projects, conduct environmental reviews, issue permits and inspect operations. Leasing of new federal lands for future development would also be delayed, with fewer resources available for agencies to prepare for and conduct lease sales.
Veterans services – Although the Department of Veterans Affairs is exempt from sequestration, the Department of Labor’s Veterans Transition Assistance Program, which serves over 150,000 veterans a year, would have to reduce operations – leaving thousands of transitioning veterans unserved as they move from active duty to civilian life. The Jobs for Veterans State Grants Program would also experience cuts, translating into a reduction in the capacity to serve tens of thousands of veterans in their efforts to find civilian employment.
Title I education funds – Title I education funds would be eliminated for more than 2,700 schools, cutting support for nearly 1.2 million disadvantaged students. This funding reduction would put the jobs of approximately 10,000 teachers and aides at risk. Students would lose access to individual instruction, after-school programs, and other interventions that help close achievement gaps.
Senior meals – Federally assisted programs like Meals on Wheels would be able to serve 4 million fewer meals to seniors. These meals contribute to the overall health and well-being of participating seniors, including those with chronic illnesses that are affected by diet, such as diabetes and heart disease, and frail seniors who are homebound. The meals can account for 50 percent or more of daily food for the majority of participants.
Mental health and substance abuse services – Cuts to the Mental Health Block Grant program would result in over 373,000 seriously mentally ill adults and seriously emotionally disturbed children not receiving needed mental health services. This cut would likely lead to increased hospitalizations, involvement in the criminal justice system, and homelessness for these individuals. In addition, close to 8,900 homeless persons with serious mental illness would not get the vital outreach, treatment, housing, and support they need through the Projects for Assistance in Transition from Homelessness (PATH) program.
FBI and other law enforcement – The FBI and other law enforcement entities would see a reduction in capacity equivalent to more than 1,000 federal agents. This loss of agents would significantly impact our ability to combat violent crime, pursue financial crimes, secure our borders, and protect national security.
Customs and border patrol – U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) would not be able to maintain current staffing levels of border patrol agents and CBP officers as mandated by Congress. CBP would have to reduce its work hours by the equivalent of over 5,000 border patrol agents and the equivalent of over 2,750 CBP officers.
– Jay Bookman
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Stevie Ray
February 25th, 2013
3:42 pm
Peadawg
February 25th, 2013
3:32 pm
Call me crazy….I’m not sure about man made skyfalling stuff that a recently minted science suggests will happen 50 years or so..tough not to question that..nobody really knows.
I don’t believe for a minute that the hysterical allegations about worse case scenarios will remotely pan out. There surely are ways to obtain the pick up’s without ending life as we know it…it is 2 cents on the dollar..
JamVet
February 25th, 2013
3:42 pm
If you start out castigating the people you want help from, you rarely get their help.
Like the stupid, lazy black mooches on the plantation?
Or maybe the sluts, prostitutes and FemiNazis who want their birth control for free?
Or maybe the 47% who pay nothing to live in America?
I hope you were being facetious.
But I do not hope you stop losing elections.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGI3RWBhuUo
DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda
February 25th, 2013
3:42 pm
Speaking of the Oscars, was the irony of M Obama announcing Argo as the “best picture” lost on this bunch?
Did anyone catch the “shooter” (Of OBL) on 60 Minutes last night? He wasn’t in hiding and he definitely didn’t look like he was “scared of reprisals” since he loved showing his face AND giving out his real name.
Methinks the man is trying to get that bounty — it’s not about battle fatigue, or any of that other crap he’s spouting — its about Money.
Sad.
getalife
February 25th, 2013
3:42 pm
rb still crying about a passed bill is hilarious
alex
February 25th, 2013
3:43 pm
@ Debbie, I’d agree and fortunately the repubs in the state legislature voted against receiving gifts!
Deal had to act, Dekalb was turning into Clayton Co. and the children were suffering too much . Kudos to the Gov,
stands for decibels
February 25th, 2013
3:43 pm
blindly following the Democrats or Republicans.
For the record, given how often and how vociferously I’ve complained about Obama’s leadership on this issue (including in this very thread, particularly @ 10.06), I don’t think you can accurately accuse me of blindly following the former.
Bob
February 25th, 2013
3:44 pm
@Jay “Obama proposes two dollars in cuts for every dollar in revenue” ! Thats a good one Jay, repubs agreed to raise taxes on those billionaires making over 450K a while back, where are the cuts for that rate increase. Reagan agreed to raise taxes with his dem house because Tip promised 3 to 1 cuts to tax increases. As we know now, we never got those cuts from Tip and Reagan gets blamed for the debt.
DownInAlbany
February 25th, 2013
3:45 pm
RB from Gwinnett
February 25th, 2013
3:40 pm
I can give you a dozen examples without a lot of effort, of small business owners in SW GA who are not hiring to stay under that threshold or are reorganizing their businesses by cutting them into smaller S-corps. The ACA is a jobs killer, plain and simple.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
February 25th, 2013
3:46 pm
I’m not a financial planner, but there is a way for people to manage the problem.
Well, I’m not Norman Einsteen but I noticed WalMart is selling Little Friskies cat food for 46 cents a can. That’s alot cheaper than you’ll get it at Publix and even Kroger. Like I wrote before you can get it in lots of flavors—Chicken & Gravy, Tuna & Egg, Chicken & Tuna, Turkey & Cheese, and lots of others. If it’s good enough for Simpson & Bowles to plan on as a substitute for Social Security etc. it ought to be good enough for the rest of you when you lose your job. Don’t say you won’t eat it. Wait till you’re REAL hungry and then talk to me about it.
And don’t forget the beer. It goes real good with Little Friskies.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 25th, 2013
3:46 pm
TBG — “Try 2 daughters, a niece, wife, and a mother in law.”
Jebus. It’s a wonder you don’t crack up under the strain.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 25th, 2013
3:46 pm
On noooo, RB is still having conniptions and now wants legal advice. Did you check the regs for guidance? Seems you’re having a hissy fit over tweaking that any new law requires regarding guidance. But I am sure you’re slanted asteroid detector system will continue to spot false images. So far your predictions have fallen well short.
Stevie Ray
February 25th, 2013
3:47 pm
DebbieDoRight – Minister Of Propaganda
February 25th, 2013
3:38 pm
Well to suggest that BO has done anything about it that trends favorably is out of touch. Bush made poor decisions and like Clinton, bought the intelligence he was provided. Regardless, we NEVER should have sent anyone to be killed in either conflict..the current results speak for themselves. However, BO has done nothing to even stem the tide and seems not to be interested.
The cuts he alledgedly championed are generally put off to the future with excape hatch, already done prior to his proposal, or based upon assumptions (deficit/borrowing reduction…lower interest costs) that likely are flawed out of the gate.
He doesn’t mean anything by it…just the way he is wired.
Madmax
February 25th, 2013
3:47 pm
Jam? Not sure what your reading or not reading into it. Obama wins elections; he’s proven himself very adept at that. Obama fails to build a consensus when it comes to the hard stuff; he’s proven himself inept at that. If you can prove me wrong please do, but stop with the silly profiling.
Erwin's cat
February 25th, 2013
3:47 pm
DIA – that fine for not providing is looking pretty good to a lot of small biz
stands for decibels
February 25th, 2013
3:47 pm
I noticed WalMart is selling Little Friskies cat food for 46 cents a can
[golf clap]
I’m going to leave this thread on a high note.
Bravo, RC. One day, that Pulitzer will be yours.
That Black Guy
February 25th, 2013
3:48 pm
DebbieDoRight – Minister Of Propaganda
February 25th, 2013
3:32 pm
I used to go sit under the freeway overpass for some peace and quiet
Wow!! that many females in one house!! I’m amazed you can actually speak in coherent sentences after that!
______________________
Hey DDR. Yeah, that’s how I learned to listen without listening.
Typical conversation:
Wife: Tell your daughter these curtains would great in her room.
Daughter: But Mom, they look like little girls curtains.
MIL: But baby, you are a little girl.
Me: Baby girl, pick out the curtains that YOU like.
My Brain: THROW THE D*MN BALL ALREADY :LOL:
Joe Hussein Mama
February 25th, 2013
3:49 pm
RB — “You keep making jokes while the rest of us deal with the realities this POS legislation has dumped on the American job creators. When the shat hits the fan, though, Keep, no whining. You’ll get exactly what you deserve.”
Should have gotten behind Single-Payer when it was on the table. It would have relieved American business of this burden and concern.
DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda
February 25th, 2013
3:51 pm
Deal had to act, Dekalb was turning into Clayton Co. and the children were suffering too much . Kudos to the Gov,
Ok – Let’s go with the assumption that Gov. Deal is an upstanding, morally prudent person, who wouldn’t use this “power” he has to destablize the entire Georgia School system. Let’s say he doesn’t.
but what about the NEXT governor, or the next? Once you’re granted power or granted the OFFICE more power than it previously had – even if the person currently in office doesn’t abuse it, there’s a 10/1 odds that the next one will.
A good point is the Patriot Act — Granted under bush and decried by every rational citizen and the majority of the Dem party.
What is the status of the patriot act today? Has it went away?
Erwin's cat
February 25th, 2013
3:51 pm
JHM – TBG — “Try 2 daughters, a niece, wife, and a mother in law.”
Jebus. It’s a wonder you don’t crack up under the strain.
kind of explains why he posts his opinions here….no one at home will let him
Dharma Bum
February 25th, 2013
3:51 pm
More vacuous leadership from Washington… Democrats and Republicans should be ashamed. There is absolutely no responsibility or accountability. How anyone can be defending either side at this point is beyond comprehension.
Stevie Ray
February 25th, 2013
3:53 pm
PelosiCare is a flawed bill involving exceptionally poor bedfellow arrangements and is gonna cost us and our kids trillions…I don’t see any other way to look at it..
Bad selection of alternatives with completely misaligned incentives which are based on a process that included misaligned incentives by a body that has completely misaligned incentives..disaster in the making…
We will see come second quarter of 2014. Likely to be insurmountable achilles heel for those who surreptitiously passed this through the night..
Single payor…at least we know who is screwing us..
Jefferson
February 25th, 2013
3:53 pm
At the end of the day this was caused because….
Reasonable people can come to reasonable conclusions under reasonable conditions, unless you are a republican.
barking frog
February 25th, 2013
3:53 pm
If sequester occurs could we not furlough high
paid folks rather than front line personnel ?
Regnad Kcin
February 25th, 2013
3:54 pm
“Should have gotten behind Single-Payer when it was on the table. It would have relieved American business of this burden and concern.”
Maybe it’s still not too late! If RB, DIA, and all their cohorts urge their congressfolks to introduce a single-payer bill, it could pass with bi-partisan support, and employers would never have to worry about it again!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 25th, 2013
3:54 pm
Should have gotten behind Single-Payer when it was on the table.
Yep.
Classic case of Ready. Shoot. Aim.
RB from Gwinnett
February 25th, 2013
3:54 pm
“You can…turn down the thermostat, turn down the lights,etc, conserve water, cancel cable, cut off 1 phone if you have a land and mobile, and cancel the internet service (If you need it go to starbucks and hangout on their wifi for fee)…”
I turned down the thermostat back when Obama told us to just inflate our tires and such. Is your solution to just turn the thing off now? I already conserve water, cancelling cable incures a cancellation fee equal to the payments, don’t have a land line, and the kids need internet to do their homework.
You idiots act like everybody on the planet is a wasteful dumbarse until you come along and tell them how to be “green”. Get over yourselves. You ain’t that bright.
DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda
February 25th, 2013
3:55 pm
You keep making jokes while the rest of us deal with the realities this POS legislation has dumped on the American job creators.
I’m so sick of hearing that freaking brain dead slogan that the right keep saying like mindless zombies.
JOB CREATORS
Where are the freaking jobs they’re supposed to be creating? Are they in the U.S. or are they in China? What freaking good does it do to give a company a tax break if they take their “jobs” to China? Why are we still funding a bunch of U.S. traitors?
To paraphrase Pimplicious: Money Before Everything Else.
The US people are being pimped.You keep making jokes while the rest of us deal with the realities this POS legislation has dumped on the American job creators.
That Black Guy
February 25th, 2013
3:56 pm
Brosephus™ – Desktop but still Multitasking
February 25th, 2013
3:35 pm
Try 2 daughters, a niece, wife, and a mother in law.
I used to go sit under the freeway overpass for some peace and quiet.
Next time we’re together, Brogami’s got the first round!!!
:lol
________________
TBS, what’s good. We need to set something up. I know I got the 2nd round. Hey, we need to invite Fred. The bar will buy the next 2 rounds just to shut him up.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 25th, 2013
3:56 pm
JHM, yep but the unskewed jobcreatorsnetwork did not discuss that, I bet.
Dharma Bum
February 25th, 2013
3:57 pm
Jefferson @ 3:53
…at this point, neither side appears reasonable or deserving of even a modicum of respect. No one in Washington is being held accountable for their actions and we simply lumber along from one unsolved crisis to the next.
DownInAlbany
February 25th, 2013
3:57 pm
Erwin’s cat
February 25th, 2013
3:47 pm
We are currently holding at 24 employees because it is one of the requirements for tax credit eligibility for actually providing h/c insurance (which we do and always have). We could use one or two more, but, the decision, now, is not about a $30k employee. If we hire one more, it becomes a $100k decision because we lose the tax credit. Unintended consequences?
Common Sense isn't very Common
February 25th, 2013
3:58 pm
Bro
Hopefully any furlough isn’t a long term solution to a short term issue..
My little girl is about your age (39) so just enjoy both of them while you can.
Regnad Kcin
February 25th, 2013
3:58 pm
Job Creators: they really suck at what they do. Even cons have to admit it.
Job creators should all be fired, or impeached, or something, and replaced with people who actually WILL create jobs!
RB from Gwinnett
February 25th, 2013
3:59 pm
Keep, “So far your predictions have fallen well short.”
Check out Einstein telling us “predictions” for the impact of a law that HASN’T GONE INTO EFFECT YET have fallen short. Are you really that stupid, Keep?
No need to answer that one, Keep.
barking frog
February 25th, 2013
3:59 pm
Did not bman say he was a bartender ? You
guys should patronize his bar sometimes….if so
DownInAlbany
February 25th, 2013
4:00 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
February 25th, 2013
3:49 pm
Stevie Ray
February 25th, 2013
3:53 pm
Single payer will never happen…the insurance lobby is too $$$ strong. IMO
Stevie Ray
February 25th, 2013
4:00 pm
“Sequester, automatic across-the-board reductions in the rate of increase in government spending – commonly and lazily called “spending cuts” by the media – was the spawn of the Obama administration”.
I think for the liberals going forward, it would be good practice to make sure you really understand these are not cuts..merely governors on future spending…
Of course the disingenuous BO machine is selling what you and those against want to buy…
JamVet
February 25th, 2013
4:00 pm
Obama fails to build a consensus…
Max, maybe he is just once again following in his predecessor’s footsteps and refuses to negotiate with terrorists. (grin)
On the eve of midterms elections that could make him House Speaker, John Boehner announced, “This is not a time for compromise”.
Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN), the third-ranking Republican in the House, repeatedly pledged in a recent interview that there would be “no compromise” with the Obama administration if his party wins control of the House.
From day one, technically day two, of his first term, the GOP was committed to seeing him fail at all costs. That strategery seems to have backfired, wouldn’t you say?
Regnad Kcin
February 25th, 2013
4:01 pm
“Check out Einstein telling us “predictions” for the impact of a law that HASN’T GONE INTO EFFECT YET have fallen short. Are you really that stupid, Keep?”
RB – Why is it always personal attacks with you? Afraid your “arguments” won’t cut it?
Dharma Bum
February 25th, 2013
4:02 pm
Keep playing the blame game libs/cons… party first, America second!
DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda
February 25th, 2013
4:03 pm
Me: Baby girl, pick out the curtains that YOU like.
OMG! You mean you said that OUT LOUD and your wife didn’t take you aside later and complain about how you don’t back her up on “important” issues?
You sir! Are one bad mutha………………
DownInAlbany
February 25th, 2013
4:03 pm
Regnad Kcin
February 25th, 2013
3:54 pm
I’m flattered that you think I have that much influence!
I’m personally not sold on the single payer system. If you are in the medical field, right now, you deal with Aetna, BCBSGA (yuck!), Medicaid, Medicare, etc etc. If I have a dispute with Aetna, for example, and they stop paying, then the others continue to pay, hence you can still cover payroll this week. Under single payer, if the payer stops paying you, well….
But, there are certainly arguments FOR single payer…
Stevie Ray
February 25th, 2013
4:03 pm
RB from Gwinnett
February 25th, 2013
3:54 pm
Was it OBAMA who told us to keep tires inflated? Who then suggested our lives hang on a thread of duct tape..I get so confused..
bman.
February 25th, 2013
4:07 pm
“Did not bman say he was a bartender ? ”
I’m not, but I could be for these guys. A bottle of scotch and a glass…poof
barking frog
February 25th, 2013
4:09 pm
bman
I remembered the Asian lady thing and i
thought the bartender thing but once again
I am wrong.
stands for decibels
February 25th, 2013
4:10 pm
ok, just one more on-topic post and I gotta git–
http://www.eschatonblog.com/2013/02/just-repeal-it.html
Here it is quoted in its entirety:
Just Repeal It
Again we’re at that point when Congress has taken itself hostage and is threatening to shoot the country. There’s no need for the sequestration. There’s no need for any deal. There’s certainly no need for austerity of any sort right now. We need the opposite.
Every time we reach this moment there’s a sudden realization that contractionary policy is contractionary. Sure there might be better contractionary policy than the haphazard sequestration cuts, but it’s still contractionary.
And expansionary policy would be expansionary.
TBS: Posting on weekends so PD can cry on Monday
February 25th, 2013
4:10 pm
TBG
What’s up dude? I will send an email out in the next few days to see if we can come up with an agreed upon day.
Stevie Ray
February 25th, 2013
4:11 pm
DownInAlbany
February 25th, 2013
4:03 pm
IMO its simply a function of picking the best of the worst option(s).
Single payer is us…most insurance claims are held up by unreasonable and uncustomary charges, pre-existing conditions, and non-certified procedures.
Knowing in advance what is covered and what is considered elective will be easy. Calculations of copays and deductibles a breeze. And since our government may run it, we can expect 10-15% waste in administration and overpayments…
bman.
February 25th, 2013
4:11 pm
“I remembered the Asian lady thing and i
thought the bartender thing but once again”
Asian Ladies – plural. They are like a potato chip…
Thomas
February 25th, 2013
4:12 pm
I think blogging all days creates a lot of jobs. Please keep blogging. Exponential job growth if you insult fellow bloggers while you blog all day.
Shine
February 25th, 2013
4:12 pm
If its so bad, then why did the Senate agree to it and Obama sign it? Dont whine now. The chickens have come home to roost.
barking frog
February 25th, 2013
4:13 pm
bman
that would be potato chips
Stevie Ray
February 25th, 2013
4:14 pm
Another way to put it, we can’t even reduce future spending by 2%..
This is really not like cutting spending by 2% now is it?
RB from Gwinnett
February 25th, 2013
4:15 pm
“Job creators should all be fired, or impeached, or something, and replaced with people who actually WILL create jobs!”
Question for you…. Do liberals not own businesses? If they do, why aren’t they hiring all these people regardless of their need just because you benevolent liberals want to think business exists to provide employees with income? Or maybe liberal business owners are all greeds SOB’s too? Which is it?
That Black Guy
February 25th, 2013
4:15 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
February 25th, 2013
3:46 pm
TBG — “Try 2 daughters, a niece, wife, and a mother in law.”
Jebus. It’s a wonder you don’t crack up under the strain.
that was years ago.
________________________
JHM
The daughters are grown and on their own.
The niece, full ride to UNC and doing well.
MIL passed
Wife and I went our seperate ways (still my best friend)
Besides, that’s when I discovered Flor De Cana.
Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking
February 25th, 2013
4:15 pm
DIA: Speaking of the Oscars, was the irony of M Obama announcing Argo as the “best picture” lost on this bunch?
I think there were multiple cases of “irony” and such on both parties. Me, I didn’t watch them and only knew about the First Lady because of the news.
Erwin's cat
February 25th, 2013
4:16 pm
RB – You idiots act like everybody on the planet is a wasteful dumbarse until you come along and tell them how to be “green”. Get over yourselves. You ain’t that bright.
This idiot fired DirecTV with no cancellation fees or penalty….it’s not about being green…it’s about cutting expenses for surviving the furloughs…as far as me being “green”, heck a got a carbon footprint bigger than Al Gore’s
barking frog
February 25th, 2013
4:16 pm
I fail to see why our elected government
spends time passing legislation that they
do not expect to be implemented.
bman.
February 25th, 2013
4:18 pm
“that would be potato chips”
you always win!
Regnad Kcin
February 25th, 2013
4:20 pm
“Question for you…. Do liberals not own businesses? If they do, why aren’t they hiring all these people regardless of their need just because you benevolent liberals want to think business exists to provide employees with income? Or maybe liberal business owners are all greeds SOB’s too? Which is it?”
RB – I should have used the “parody” indicator. It’s just that the term “job creators” is such a silly, meaningless and useless concept.
Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking
February 25th, 2013
4:20 pm
TBG
Thanks. We’ll have to do beer sometime soon to celebrate.
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Should have gotten behind Single-Payer when it was on the table. It would have relieved American business of this burden and concern.
Hell, they’re doing more to sell it know than they’ll ever know.
Stevie Ray
February 25th, 2013
4:21 pm
WOW,
Speaking of duct tape…the ultimate scare tactic has finally entered the arena..
http://thehill.com/video/administration/284713-napolitano-cuts-will-make-us-more-vulnerable-to-terrorist-attack
This is simply disgusting…if we slow spending by 2%, terrorists will take to the sky…a complete crock of political sh*t..
barking frog
February 25th, 2013
4:22 pm
bman
you always win
……………………..
mostly i’m unaware there is a contest….
Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking
February 25th, 2013
4:22 pm
NoCom: Hopefully any furlough isn’t a long term solution to a short term issue..
I’m good. As Wesley Snipes said in Passenger 57, “Always bet on Black.”
alex
February 25th, 2013
4:23 pm
Don’t disagree with you fully Debbie and surely this could be a slippery slope, but he had an independent committee suggest removing these councilpeople,sometimes you act and hope…
@Jam, have heard your arguement from my father who takes MM’s quote enrirely out of context, but let’s say yoyr right, is it not the job of these congressmen and senators to represent their constituents and is it not the Presidents job to represent the entire constituency of the US, at least I hope so. I would be hopeful that all Presidents would want to compromise for the good of the ENTIRE country, not just 52%. Anyway Obama is a poor consensus builder, I hope he changes , I doubt it, the far left would let him, though. His core supporters will support him at any cost, I hope he realizes it soon, for all of us.
Stevie Ray
February 25th, 2013
4:23 pm
Here we go..surprise that that her comments came during a visit to propaganda central..why doesn’t obama simply drop flyers from planes?
“Napolitano’s attendance at the White House briefing was the latest part of a White House effort to pressure Congress into passing a deal that would prevent the sequester. ”
Can you imagine her fate if she refused to read from the script?
Disgusted
February 25th, 2013
4:23 pm
Knowing in advance what is covered and what is considered elective will be easy. Calculations of copays and deductibles a breeze. And since our government may run it, we can expect 10-15% waste in administration and overpayments…
Uh, the government doesn’t have a claims system, dude. It doesn’t have a single claims specialist to act on the hundreds of thousands of Medicare claims. That function is contracted out to insurance companies like Prudential and Aetna, which make a pretty penny from the government on that business. If there’s administrative waste or overpayments, it’s the actions of these private insurers, not the government, that are responsible.
TBS: Posting on weekends so PD can cry on Monday
February 25th, 2013
4:24 pm
bman
If they taste like Funyuns or Munchos, you eat all of them you want.
bwhahahahaha
DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda
February 25th, 2013
4:25 pm
Bro – I think he meant to say Zero Dark Thirty. Argo was a picture about the 1980;s rescue of some Iranian embassy people.
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RB from G: liberals want to think business exists to provide employees with income? Or maybe liberal business owners are all greeds SOB’s too? Which is it?
let’s get real here RB — if you companies, who are in the business to make money, don’t hire employees to MAKE /PRODUCE the product, or at least to sell it, then they don’t make money, (unless they do everything themselves — a la Chineese Restaurant)
If companies don’t hire people, then there are people who don’t have the money to buy the product that the company wishes to sell. then the company goes out of business. Notice after 2008 that a LOT of Mom and Pop restaurants went out of business? Ever wonder why? It was because the people who frequented the shop decided to save money by staying home and cooking for themselves.
Business is symbiotic – it does not exist in a vaccuum. Business can not prosper without money — if the patron doesn’t have a job he has no money to spend. If the patron doenst’ have any money he can’t shop; if he can’t shop the business doesn’t prosper.
The Libs as you call them, are trying to start business that help both themselves and the people AND their employees.
See Green Energy; Biofuels etc. for a frame of refernce.
Stevie Ray
February 25th, 2013
4:25 pm
Brosephus™ – Desktop but still Multitasking
February 25th, 2013
4:22 pm
Best role he ever played was in Major League..classic. Kinda like the Sean Penn character I most liked was Spicoli…
DownInAlbany
February 25th, 2013
4:25 pm
Brosephus™ – Desktop but still Multitasking
February 25th, 2013
4:15 pm
I was on the road and didn’t watch…probably wouldn’t if I had been at home. Come to think of it, I’m pretty sure I’ve never watched! Something about Hollywood celebrating itself doesn’t appeal to me.
JamVet
February 25th, 2013
4:26 pm
Dharma,
Libs/cons are not political parties.
They are ideologies…
Stevie Ray
February 25th, 2013
4:28 pm
DebbieDoRight – Minister Of Propaganda
February 25th, 2013
4:25 pm
I think the argument is that employers are not primarily in the business to have employees. That is completely accurate. They have to be able to actually afford employees and be flexible if business falls off..
Joe Hussein Mama
February 25th, 2013
4:29 pm
DIA — “We are currently holding at 24 employees because it is one of the requirements for tax credit eligibility for actually providing h/c insurance (which we do and always have). We could use one or two more, but, the decision, now, is not about a $30k employee. If we hire one more, it becomes a $100k decision because we lose the tax credit. Unintended consequences?”
Single-Payer is your friend.
Or would have been, if your party hadn’t told him to f**k off.
TBS: Posting on weekends so PD can cry on Monday
February 25th, 2013
4:29 pm
“What Jefferson was saying was, Hey! You know, we left this England place ’cause it was bogus; so if we don’t get some cool rules ourselves – pronto – we’ll just be bogus too! Get it? ”
Spicoli
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjkY7H1oUEA
Stevie Ray
February 25th, 2013
4:30 pm
DEBBIE
“See Green Energy; Biofuels etc. for a frame of refernce.”
The only way even these not ready for prime time players can afford employees is with revenues and surprisingly a profit..
DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda
February 25th, 2013
4:30 pm
Don’t disagree with you fully Debbie and surely this could be a slippery slope, but he had an independent committee suggest removing these councilpeople,sometimes you act and hope…
Ever wonder WHO appointed the “Independent” committee and HOW they were appointed? Make wanna google that when you get a chance.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 25th, 2013
4:31 pm
RB — “Question for you…. Do liberals not own businesses? If they do, why aren’t they hiring all these people regardless of their need just because you benevolent liberals want to think business exists to provide employees with income? Or maybe liberal business owners are all greeds SOB’s too? Which is it?”
Question for you . . . have you stopped beating your wife yet?
DownInAlbany
February 25th, 2013
4:32 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
February 25th, 2013
4:29 pm
Joe, we’ve had the conversation about single-payer. I’m not a fan. I’m glad they told him to f off.
TBS: Posting on weekends so PD can cry on Monday
February 25th, 2013
4:34 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv8pkRpqXbg
SouthernGent
February 25th, 2013
4:34 pm
Jay, you just need to go ahead and change your bi-line to the Obama misinformation service. Obama hasn’t proposed any cuts, instead, he has only mouthed cuts with no specifics, but he has been very specific with his tax increases. He promised in the last negotiations if they would give him the tax increases he would propose balanced cuts. That has not happened. I don’t believe he ever intended to and he sure hasn’t proposed a real budget now since he has been in office. You may be drunk and staggering from his kook aid, but some of his no longer buy into his male bovine feces!
Common Sense isn't very Common
February 25th, 2013
4:34 pm
Bro
just remember the black guy gets shot first in the movie.
Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking
February 25th, 2013
4:36 pm
Knowing in advance what is covered and what is considered elective will be easy. Calculations of copays and deductibles a breeze. And since our government may run it, we can expect 10-15% waste in administration and overpayments…
You may wanna research the costs of the TSP, as administered by your government.
What makes the TSP superior is its simplicity coupled with minuscule costs. All of the options in the TSP have annual administrative expenses of just 0.03%.
http://www.fool.com/personal-finance/retirement/2007/05/24/fund-your-tsp-thats-an-order.aspx
Most 401ks have administrative costs that average around 2%. In addition, the government actually contracts out it’s claims services and such which adds to administrative costs. People are so chickensh*t of “big government” that we can’t realize cost savings by doing things in-house because that would mean that more government employees would be needed.
DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda
February 25th, 2013
4:38 pm
That is completely accurate.
Their in business to make money. It’s like the hamster’s wheel………..
If they’re selling a product/service (walMart, RotoRooter), they n eed employees to make that happen. If if they just hire family, they still need employees to HELP them to make the business profitable.
Hamster’s wheel:
Moves:
1) You need a writer to write the movie and a director to direct it.
2) You need producers to provide financial backing (a loan if you will) to allay the costs of the movie.
3) You need actors
4) You need movie theaters to distribute the movie too,
5) You need movie goers to go to the movie so that it can make money and repay the producers.
A) Movie goers DON’T have jobs and can’t afford to go to the movies.
b) The theaters don’t make money and stop showing the movie.
c) The Producer does not make the money that he put into the film back NOR does he make any money at all because no one saw it at the movie theaters.
d) The actors got paid up front, however if they want to continue to act for money; they need movie goers.
e) Who don’t have a job so they’re not going to spend much needed money on movies.
RB from Gwinnett
February 25th, 2013
4:39 pm
Debbie, “The Libs as you call them, are trying to start business that help both themselves and the people AND their employees.”
You didn’t answer the question, Debbie. Why aren’t the liberal owned businesses that already exist picking up all these unemployed people just to help them out? Do they not care as much as you want to pretend, do liberals not own businesses, or what? Just answer the question.
getalife
February 25th, 2013
4:39 pm
“Let them eat cat food” cons.
DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda
February 25th, 2013
4:40 pm
Make wanna google that?
Jeesh! I’m tired — had to catch a late /early flight to get into Atlanta before the weather turned bad and I’ve been up ever sense — time to go home.
Later Gators
barking frog
February 25th, 2013
4:41 pm
DDR
normal movie production costs are not so bad
it’s the extras that drive up costs…..
Joe Hussein Mama
February 25th, 2013
4:41 pm
DIA — “Joe, we’ve had the conversation about single-payer. I’m not a fan. I’m glad they told him to f off.”
Shrug. I appreciate your position, but FWIW, Single-Payer’s the only solution I see to the problem you’re talking about.
Other than, of course, cutting employees loose and making them purchase their own insurance on the open market, but that’s the pre-existing problem we needed to address in the first place.
Regnad Kcin
February 25th, 2013
4:41 pm
“You didn’t answer the question, Debbie. Why aren’t the liberal owned businesses that already exist picking up all these unemployed people just to help them out? Do they not care as much as you want to pretend, do liberals not own businesses, or what? Just answer the question.”
RB – why do you feel Debbie owes you an answer? You really need to work on this “entitlement mentality” of yours. Stop demanding free stuff allthe time!
DownInAlbany
February 25th, 2013
4:43 pm
Now this is funny, I don’t care who you are…
At the beginning of the year, President Barack Obama’s new 501(c)4 political nonprofit, Organizing For Action, was launched with all the usual bells and whistles. But the tech wizards at OFA forgot one important rule in today’s Internet world: Register all the iterations of your website address before someone else does.
Now Obama’s team is filing complaints against the folks smart enough to get the addresses before he did.
As Obama’s OFA made its debut, no one in his purportedly Internet-savvy campaign had obtained the corresponding .com, .net, .org or .us sites, nor did OFA register other names that are close to its official one, as is the sensible practice. In the case of the .net address, a fellow named Derek Bovard had already registered the .net address by the time Obama’s team took notice.
Bovard has routed his new site to the homepage of the National Rifle Association.
So, whenever anyone goes to http://www.organizingforaction.net they end up seeing the homepage of the NRA.
Erwin's cat
February 25th, 2013
4:43 pm
DDR – it all starts and ends with demand…period
Joe Hussein Mama
February 25th, 2013
4:44 pm
Now THIS makes me hungry for a Greek salad for supper:
http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/25/17087082-tasty-diet-cuts-heart-disease-study-finds?lite
Brosephus™ - Desktop but still Multitasking
February 25th, 2013
4:44 pm
just remember the black guy gets shot first in the movie.
That’s why you gotta be the main character of the story, except for shows like Law and Order where you have to get killed.
DownInAlbany
February 25th, 2013
4:44 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
February 25th, 2013
4:41 pm
And, I respect your opinion…
Steve
February 25th, 2013
4:45 pm
@SouthernGent
Again, you people just make $hit up and believe it.
But Obama Has Proposed A Specific Plan To Replace The Sequester …
White House Spokesperson: Obama Has “Laid Out A Specific Plan” That “Resolves The Sequester.” In a February 21 post on the White House blog, White House Director of Communications Jennifer Palmieri wrote that Obama has “already reduced the deficit by over $2.5 trillion” and has “laid out a specific plan to do more.” She continued: “His proposal resolves the sequester and reduces our deficit by over $4 trillion dollars in a balanced way- by cutting spending, finding savings in entitlement programs and asking the wealthiest to pay their fair share.” The post linked to a plan with specific proposals to cut $930 billion from discretionary and mandatory spending as well as raise $580 billion in revenues:
http://mediamatters.org/research/2013/02/22/conservative-media-ignore-obamas-sequester-plan/192778
DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda
February 25th, 2013
4:45 pm
RBG — First – you don’t tell me what to do.
Second – THIS is the question I was responding to:
: liberals want to think business exists to provide employees with income? Or maybe liberal business owners are all greeds SOB’s too? Which is it?
Try and keep up.
You know I MUST be going soft! I was going to call you a sheeethead moronic imbecilic azzhole; but I didn’t! I refrained myself!
I’m really getting the hang of this “being nice to animals” thing!
Later Gators!
Erwin's cat
February 25th, 2013
4:47 pm
“Let them eat cat food”
It’s really not so bad >^..^<
That Black Guy
February 25th, 2013
4:48 pm
Regnad Kcin
February 25th, 2013
4:20 pm
RB – I should have used the “parody” indicator. It’s just that the term “job creators” is such a silly, meaningless and useless concept.
____________________
Kinda like:
The rich
Middle class
the poor
fair share
transparent
responsible government
racist
“con”
“lib”
“socialist”
These words/phrases have been gangraped by politics to fit a particular view.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 25th, 2013
4:48 pm
DIA — “As Obama’s OFA made its debut, no one in his purportedly Internet-savvy campaign had obtained the corresponding .com, .net, .org or .us sites, nor did OFA register other names that are close to its official one, as is the sensible practice. In the case of the .net address, a fellow named Derek Bovard had already registered the .net address by the time Obama’s team took notice.”
Now THAT is a rookie mistake right there. Either someone was asleep at the switch or they gave the job to an intern who didn’t know what he was doing.