To the boys who put the funk in Motown

A good friend of mine recommended this cut to me for Friday Travelin’ Music. It features Joan Osborne performing an old Motown hit with the Funk Brothers, the legendary group of session players who played background for almost all of the hits from Motown’s golden era, from 1959 until the label left Detroit for the glitter of Los Angeles in 1972.

The Temptations, Marvin Gaye, the Supremes, Gladys Knight and the Pips, Stevie Wonder — the brothers funked it up for all of them. Ms. Osborne has the pipes to live up to that heritage in this cut.

– Jay Bookman

303 comments Add your comment

josef

February 22nd, 2013
7:18 pm

ZamVet

RW is that….

TBS

February 22nd, 2013
7:18 pm

JamVet

February 22nd, 2013
7:19 pm

Why not, indeed, TBS?

They were friggin’ fantastic. In a hundred lifetimes I would never stop digging them.

TBS

February 22nd, 2013
7:21 pm

josef

February 22nd, 2013
7:22 pm

TBS

February 22nd, 2013
7:26 pm

josef

Nice selection @ 7:22. The smoking hot chocolate that comes up around the 20 second mark was pretty damn……. HOT

Krystal'sBalls

February 22nd, 2013
7:27 pm

Brothers Johnson. Forgot about them. Yep….fonky!

JamVet

February 22nd, 2013
7:29 pm

jo, he would LOVE THAT! (Who doesn’t, really?) Reminds me of the Italian Stallions day in Club 747 days on Genesee Street, ala Travolta…

Krystal'sBalls

February 22nd, 2013
7:31 pm

@Jam.

I will take your Voyage To Atlantis, and “I will always…come back to you”,

“cuz we gotta fight the powers that be!”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO2ebiuV3hU

I’m talkin’ smelly @$$ FUNKY! lmao!

TBS

February 22nd, 2013
7:31 pm

JamVet

February 22nd, 2013
7:31 pm

TBS

February 22nd, 2013
7:32 pm

Tom Middleton

February 22nd, 2013
7:33 pm

Big O. God we still need this guy!

TBS

February 22nd, 2013
7:33 pm

TBS

February 22nd, 2013
7:34 pm

Tom Middleton

February 22nd, 2013
7:34 pm

TBS

February 22nd, 2013
7:36 pm

josef

February 22nd, 2013
7:37 pm

JamVet

February 22nd, 2013
7:41 pm

Oh yeah, you guys are revolutionary bad ass. So what? LOL! Lotsa us been gettin’ down for a long time too!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Bf3S6VpCZE

josef

February 22nd, 2013
7:43 pm

TBS

@ 7:32

Great one from the dance the night away years…I do, however, think I could’ve done without the advertisement! :-)

Krystal'sBalls

February 22nd, 2013
7:45 pm

Before I bail, I’ll change it up a little bit..

The Doobie Brothers “Minute By Minute”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTvABE3ZdXs

Back in the day, unless you saw them perform you didn’t know what the hell color somebody was, their religious or sexual persuasion, what part of the country they were from, or their political persuasion. It just wasn’t something you even thought about, and you didn’t care. All you knew was that they had a message and musical vibe that hit you square in the gut and you entered into an entirely beautiful mental space. Whoever you were around became a part of your world and you a part of theirs, for a moment…and gripes and differences often took a back seat.

Have good weekend people.

Krystal'sBalls

February 22nd, 2013
7:48 pm

@TBS
February 22nd, 2013
7:31 pm

That’s the ONE cat daddy! LOL

Later…

Tom Middleton

February 22nd, 2013
7:50 pm

Political Mongrel

February 22nd, 2013
7:53 pm

All hail James Jamerson, the most influential bass player of all time (and most stolen from by the best). A truly tragic figure and rarely-noted genius.

The movie about the Funk Brothers, “Standing in the Shadows of Motown”, is an extension of the book by the same name, which was a tribute to Jamerson’s life and influence. There is tribute after tribute in the book from other musicians, particularly bass players; just a few to mention: Paul McCartney, Bob Babbitt (Jamerson’s recently departed successor), Smokey Robinson, Stevie Wonder, John Entwistle, Geddy Lee, and so on.

TBS

February 22nd, 2013
7:53 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drotqeAuVRI

Aint this the truth……………

And with that I say good night to all the Bookmanites. Great tunes so far. In the morning I will check out the others you post.

Everyone have a great night and an even better weekend

Peace

JamVet

February 22nd, 2013
7:56 pm

Music (and forgiveness) sets our souls free.

j

TBS

February 22nd, 2013
8:00 pm

One more wont hurt. TBS loves him some tunes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COiIC3A0ROM

And I’m gone

skydog

February 22nd, 2013
8:01 pm

Jimi and the Funk Bros. learned from this fellow.

He put on a great show Tuesday nite at Cobb Energy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBvG0uuoiQo

josef

February 22nd, 2013
8:08 pm

Well, as we know, funk comes in all colors…so, get up and boogie…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0J6vURwLSc

Fred ™

February 22nd, 2013
8:22 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 22nd, 2013
8:23 pm

moonbat betty

February 22nd, 2013
8:45 pm

If you a mamma jamma, you gots to be bad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v5vrfPcavc

moonbat betty

February 22nd, 2013
8:47 pm

td

February 22nd, 2013
8:53 pm

Bob Woodword maybe the last real Journalist in America.

Obama’s sequester deal-changer
By Bob Woodward, Friday, February 22, 5:59 PM

Bob Woodward (woodwardb@washpost.com) is an associate editor of The Post. His latest book is “The Price of Politics.” Evelyn M. Duffy contributed to this column.

Misunderstanding, misstatements and all the classic contortions of partisan message management surround the sequester, the term for the $85 billion in ugly and largely irrational federal spending cuts set by law to begin Friday.

What is the non-budget wonk to make of this? Who is responsible? What really happened?

The finger-pointing began during the third presidential debate last fall, on Oct. 22, when President Obama blamed Congress. “The sequester is not something that I’ve proposed,” Obama said. “It is something that Congress has proposed.”

The White House chief of staff at the time, Jack Lew, who had been budget director during the negotiations that set up the sequester in 2011, backed up the president two days later.

“There was an insistence on the part of Republicans in Congress for there to be some automatic trigger,” Lew said while campaigning in Florida. It “was very much rooted in the Republican congressional insistence that there be an automatic measure.”

The president and Lew had this wrong. My extensive reporting for my book “The Price of Politics” shows that the automatic spending cuts were initiated by the White House and were the brainchild of Lew and White House congressional relations chief Rob Nabors — probably the foremost experts on budget issues in the senior ranks of the federal government.

Obama personally approved of the plan for Lew and Nabors to propose the sequester to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.). They did so at 2:30 p.m. July 27, 2011, according to interviews with two senior White House aides who were directly involved.

Nabors has told others that they checked with the president before going to see Reid. A mandatory sequester was the only action-forcing mechanism they could devise. Nabors has said, “We didn’t actually think it would be that hard to convince them” — Reid and the Republicans — to adopt the sequester. “It really was the only thing we had. There was not a lot of other options left on the table.”

A majority of Republicans did vote for the Budget Control Act that summer, which included the sequester. Key Republican staffers said they didn’t even initially know what a sequester was — because the concept stemmed from the budget wars of the 1980s, when they were not in government.

At the Feb. 13 Senate Finance Committee hearing on Lew’s nomination to become Treasury secretary, Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) asked Lew about the account in my book: “Woodward credits you with originating the plan for sequestration. Was he right or wrong?”

“It’s a little more complicated than that,” Lew responded, “and even in his account, it was a little more complicated than that. We were in a negotiation where the failure would have meant the default of the government of the United States.”

“Did you make the suggestion?” Burr asked.

“Well, what I did was said that with all other options closed, we needed to look for an option where we could agree on how to resolve our differences. And we went back to the 1984 plan that Senator [Phil] Gramm and Senator [Warren] Rudman worked on and said that that would be a basis for having a consequence that would be so unacceptable to everyone that we would be able to get action.”

In other words, yes.

But then Burr asked about the president’s statement during the presidential debate, that the Republicans originated it.

Lew, being a good lawyer and a loyal presidential adviser, then shifted to denial mode: “Senator, the demand for an enforcement mechanism was not something that the administration was pushing at that moment.”

That statement was not accurate.

On Tuesday, Obama appeared at the White House with a group of police officers and firefighters to denounce the sequester as a “meat-cleaver approach” that would jeopardize military readiness and investments in education, energy and readiness. He also said it would cost jobs. But, the president said, the substitute would have to include new revenue through tax reform.

At noon that same day, White House press secretary Jay Carney shifted position and accepted sequester paternity.

“The sequester was something that was discussed,” Carney said. Walking back the earlier statements, he added carefully, “and as has been reported, it was an idea that the White House put forward.”

This was an acknowledgment that the president and Lew had been wrong.

Why does this matter?

First, months of White House dissembling further eroded any semblance of trust between Obama and congressional Republicans. (The Republicans are by no means blameless and have had their own episodes of denial and bald-faced message management.)

Second, Lew testified during his confirmation hearing that the Republicans would not go along with new revenue in the portion of the deficit-reduction plan that became the sequester. Reinforcing Lew’s point, a senior White House official said Friday, “The sequester was an option we were forced to take because the Republicans would not do tax increases.”

In fact, the final deal reached between Vice President Biden and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) in 2011 included an agreement that there would be no tax increases in the sequester in exchange for what the president was insisting on: an agreement that the nation’s debt ceiling would be increased for 18 months, so Obama would not have to go through another such negotiation in 2012, when he was running for reelection.

So when the president asks that a substitute for the sequester include not just spending cuts but also new revenue, he is moving the goal posts. His call for a balanced approach is reasonable, and he makes a strong case that those in the top income brackets could and should pay more. But that was not the deal he made.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bob-woodward-obamas-sequester-deal-changer/2013/02/22/c0b65b5e-7ce1-11e2-9a75-dab0201670da_print.html

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 22nd, 2013
8:54 pm

WOODWARD: Obama fibs on budget cuts…

drudgey spam on multiple AJC blogs.

moonbat betty

February 22nd, 2013
8:55 pm

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 22nd, 2013
8:58 pm

Well, my thanks to Kamchak for thinking of me. My favorite Eddy Arnold song is this one here. I know a bunch of country folk never liked him because he brought a orchestra and all that stuff into his singing, but you got to admit he had a set of pipes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3I0Qyct5BA

Anyhow, it’s too bad FNM has to come to a end—all because some hotshot decided every AJC blog had to use the new fancy-smancy format. All I got to say is, the folks that want to push this format aside don’t understand what a great time we had with it. Matter of fact, I think I’ll order a couple more PBRs here at Billy Bob’s and drink to the good times. Have a great weekend everybody.

JamVet

February 22nd, 2013
8:59 pm

Talk about one huge turd! Thanks, td!

moonbat betty

February 22nd, 2013
9:00 pm

They are changing the format next week?

Damn…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inpifmOLQfQ

JamVet

February 22nd, 2013
9:01 pm

Betty! Finally

Brosephus™

February 22nd, 2013
9:01 pm

Y’all make a brother proud…

I’m on the tablet, so I’m in listening mode. Make sure to spray some Lysol before the funk chokes somebody out cold.

Brosephus™

February 22nd, 2013
9:04 pm

All this time and somebody takes a huge sh*t on the last FNM thread. There’s always one…….

JamVet

February 22nd, 2013
9:07 pm

Bro! We need you, man!

We got the best of tha best of tha best and we still need your help!

moonbat betty

February 22nd, 2013
9:11 pm

Brosephus™

February 22nd, 2013
9:11 pm

Jam

Peeking in while I could get a break. Trying to get the lil ones down for the night, and then it’s mommy and daddy time.

td

February 22nd, 2013
9:12 pm

JamVet

February 22nd, 2013
8:59 pm

Talk about one huge turd! Thanks, td!

What wrong Jam? A progressive journalist finally has the gonads to call Obama a liar and you do not like it. It has only taken 4 years of LMS propaganda at levels that Joseph Goebbels would be proud of to finally see on small crack in the constant lies.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 22nd, 2013
9:14 pm

Well, all you youngsters out there, imagine it’s 1957 and you’re plumb wore out with tunes by orchestras. Your daddy has let you borrow the family car and you turn on the radio. And this No. 1 hit comes on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD8MnvyAi6I

It’s hard to beleive Marty Robbins has been dead for 31 years. Most of us remember him for his El Paso songs and “Devil Woman.” But it was “White Sport Coat and a Pink Carnation” that put him on the music map. Later a bad ticker did him in.

Long as we’re recalling the past, let’s remember a great one—and a great race car driver to boot.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 22nd, 2013
9:19 pm

What wrong Jam?

Friday night is reserved as a time to put politics aside and share music, but you dropped a turd in the punch bowl.

I didn’t expect that you would know any better.

moonbat betty

February 22nd, 2013
9:19 pm

This is for Bro. Congrats on the the new addition!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQObWW06VAM

JamVet

February 22nd, 2013
9:23 pm

moonbat betty

February 22nd, 2013
9:30 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 22nd, 2013
9:35 pm

Brother AmVet

What should we expect, when we’re dealing with…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpcVPqIg8fQ

td

February 22nd, 2013
9:37 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 22nd, 2013
9:19 pm

What wrong Jam?

Friday night is reserved as a time to put politics aside and share music, but you dropped a turd in the punch bowl.

I didn’t expect that you would know any better.

To big of a story that was, IMHO intentionally pushed to a Friday night dump so that no one would actually read it, to observe some lib love fest party. BTW: I have seen plenty of politics on the blogs on Friday night.

getalie

February 22nd, 2013
9:42 pm

Enter your comments here

JamVet

February 22nd, 2013
9:43 pm

Kam ,dug your last. And apropos…

Ronald Reagan

February 22nd, 2013
9:49 pm

I’m surprised that that an accomplished Journalist would use such words as Motown, funk & boys in a sentence. Just what are you saying? Rev. Al & I both are very offended.

RW-(the original)

February 22nd, 2013
10:00 pm

Was somebody knocking? :-)

So before I get started, and I know I can’t catch up, why am I reading that this is the end of FNM?

JamVet

February 22nd, 2013
10:04 pm

Hiya, RW!

Ronald, you are a loser. Friday night musically, anyway You played nothing, p&ssy. Figures…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 22nd, 2013
10:07 pm

why am I reading that this is the end of FNM?

The new format doesn’t allow clickable links.

moonbat betty

February 22nd, 2013
10:07 pm

Hey, RW!

JB is supposed to switch this blog to the new crappy format where you can’t post links, bold, or any html at all.

I thought he said it may happen in the next few weeks, but who knows…

If it is the last one, it has been fun, but I don’t really see why it has to end…Whats a couple extra clicks?

Anyway, I have got to scoot tonight.

Catch y’all tomorrow evening if you are around.

Night all.

RW-(the original)

February 22nd, 2013
10:08 pm

Good evening JV. So what’s up with all http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDN9y2vTdUs talk?

Brosephus™

February 22nd, 2013
10:09 pm

betty

I has to burn that one to disc so that big sister could get her groove on when I’m driving her to school. I have 3 cds that I have to switch out depending on what she wants to hear.

moonbat betty

February 22nd, 2013
10:11 pm

Ooops.

Should close out with a tune.

Good night for real this time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mJDqLatGLk

moonbat betty

February 22nd, 2013
10:13 pm

That’s cool, Bro.

Wish I could stay and play, but I really gotta git. :)

RW-(the original)

February 22nd, 2013
10:15 pm

Is there such a thing as an unclickable link? Sounds like an oxymoron to me.

Thanks for the updates Kam and mb.

But I don’t understand all this defeatist talk from the hard-heads around here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8lT1o0sDwI

Who’s with me???

td

February 22nd, 2013
10:15 pm

This is sent to our glorious VP that wants us all to have a shotgun for personal defense:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c

Music to my ears.

Matti

February 22nd, 2013
10:16 pm

JamVet

February 22nd, 2013
10:23 pm

Matti…

And how can you mend a broken heart?
How can you stop the rain from falling down?
How can you stop the sun from shining?
What makes the world go round?
How can you mend a this broken man?
How can a loser ever win?
Please help me mend my broken heart and let me live again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgAFcvIw8J4

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 22nd, 2013
10:24 pm

Is there such a thing as an unclickable link?

You can type the URL, but it’ll only show up as letters/numbers. Sign up/register seems to be a barrier some won’t cross. Galloway’s is the first blog to convert and even his dismal numbers seem to be in the tank.

RW-(the original)

February 22nd, 2013
10:28 pm

Focus RW, focus….there’s a theme here.

Sorry for the crazy third party interlude :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMXe6A2bnHk

JamVet

February 22nd, 2013
10:28 pm

Kam from the Steppes. I watched AC Milan vs. Barcelona earlier today and enjoyed the hell outta it!

ODD OWL

February 22nd, 2013
10:31 pm

I saw Hall’s and Oates perform at the Apollo way back in the 70’s.. Great show, they turn the place out…

RW-(the original)

February 22nd, 2013
10:35 pm

Sign up/register seems to be a barrier some won’t cross.

But making them has been the answer to every major problem the AJC blogs have ever had. Of course even after they make you prove who you are to post a song I bet they’ll still say you shouldn’t have to show ID to vote….

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 22nd, 2013
10:37 pm

Brother AmVet

Yeah I caught that game too. Barça is favored to go all the way to the final, but they got a hill to climb for the return leg at their home,Camp Nou. They need to score 3 goals without giving one up in order to advance.

The other great match up is Man U v. Real Madrid. 1-1 going into the second leg.

RW-(the original)

February 22nd, 2013
10:38 pm

Matti

February 22nd, 2013
10:40 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 22nd, 2013
10:40 pm

But making them has been the answer to every major problem the AJC blogs have ever had.

Yeah, being one that has been name-jacked more than Granny G, I can see that. But the new platform seems to be targeted as user friendlier to mobile devices.

RW-(the original)

February 22nd, 2013
10:46 pm

But the new platform seems to be targeted as user friendlier to mobile devices.

As it should

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Talk about pipes…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBWvyE8RG3s

Fred ™

February 22nd, 2013
10:47 pm

Well there is always one whole ass. And guess who it is tonight. Going out by special dedication to td:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_TyrEUpZ8Y

JamVet

February 22nd, 2013
10:52 pm

Wow, RW. Killer.

And I thought the movie was too…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tvzw1Cy27lE

td

February 22nd, 2013
10:54 pm

Fred ™

February 22nd, 2013
10:56 pm

Jamvet: I liked this one the best. Did you ever here the story of the dude that played the singer?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvHuv9xVB9E

JamVet

February 22nd, 2013
11:03 pm

A good friend of mine recommended this cut to me for Friday Travelin’ Music.

How fine iz that?

That we are all so connected by this medium called music???

From the bottom of my heart, ta, Jay Bookman,

Hey Libs, how is your paychecks looking now

February 22nd, 2013
11:03 pm

Isn’t ironic that speaking of the funk in Motown that Detroit is really in a big world of funk and desperation is occurring. Said to see such a great city on the verge of collapse and the finger pointing can be directed at the incompetency of the Democratic leadership and the senseless demands from the unions. How sad!!! It’s a microcosim of what is happening to our great country!

Fred ™

February 22nd, 2013
11:06 pm

Great we have another ass who can’t let go of his hate for a minute. He sees people groovin and getting along and it just tears his f’ing guts out.

Just for you Hey Libs, you loser:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrgpZ0fUixs

JamVet

February 22nd, 2013
11:09 pm

And yes Fred, then… the clueless. How fitting!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmGQ5SlazJA

Cloudodust

February 22nd, 2013
11:20 pm

If the OSS had taken Friday’s off to spin the latest hit tunes, Hitler would have won the war…Have a 32 ounce Big Gulp and rock on, dimwits….

Hey Libs, how is your paychecks looking now

February 22nd, 2013
11:22 pm

Fred and Jamvet,

Never knew a lib that could handle someone else’s opinion without get cused out in return!

Civility?

td

February 22nd, 2013
11:28 pm

Fred ™

February 22nd, 2013
11:29 pm

Civility? When you crap in the punch bowl and deliberately act the ass YOU now want civility? Take a hike you hate filled, fear monger. You can’t let go your hate for a second can you?

here’s another one just for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_Ua8iOR0g8

td

February 22nd, 2013
11:31 pm

And the original is just plain NASTY funk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBgyXXnbfBc

Fred ™

February 22nd, 2013
11:32 pm

Lord of Lyrics (L.O.L.)

February 23rd, 2013
7:58 am

Pink stripe on NC illegal immigrant licenses eyed

February 23rd, 2013
8:22 am

RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) — A new North Carolina driver’s license set to be issued to some illegal immigrants has a bright pink stripe and the bold words “NO LAWFUL STATUS,” raising concerns about whether the design will brand those who show it.
The North Carolina Division of Motor Vehicles announced last week they would begin issuing the licenses March 25 following a lengthy legal review. The Obama administration’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program grants valid federal work permits to qualified applicants brought to the U.S. as children without legal authorization.
Some Republican lawmakers in the state have balked at the idea, filing a bill Thursday to bar the DMV from granting the licenses until at least June.
Cinthia Marroquin, a 22-year-old Raleigh resident awaiting approval for a DACA permit, said the longer the license issue is delayed, the longer it will take for her to get a job and drive herself to work. Even if she is able to get one, she is worried about presenting a license declaring she has “NO LAWFUL STATUS” at a police roadblock or while writing a check at the grocery store.
“A lot of us are just scared,” said Marroquin, who came to the U.S. from Mexico when she was 15. “We just want to be able to get a job and drive to work. Having that license is just going to show everybody you’re here illegally, just buying a beer or writing a check. You don’t know how people might react.”

http://news.yahoo.com/pink-stripe-nc-illegal-immigrant-licenses-eyed-204800831.html

stands for decibels

February 23rd, 2013
8:31 am

mornin’.

If the OSS had taken Friday’s off to spin the latest hit tunes, Hitler would have won the war…

That’s exactly why I sat it out! I had this Very Important Online Posting that had to be done no matta what.

stands for decibels

February 23rd, 2013
8:34 am

A new North Carolina driver’s license set to be issued to some illegal immigrants has a bright pink stripe and the bold words “NO LAWFUL STATUS

Guess a few thousand decent North Carolinians will just have to put pink stripes on their plates as well, then. Let’s see what those f-ckers in the DMV do about that.

indigo

February 23rd, 2013
8:35 am

I wonder, just out of curiosity, in how many other countries in the world could a known illegal get a driver’s licence of ANY kind?

stands for decibels

February 23rd, 2013
8:37 am

Robin Colliins

February 23rd, 2013
11:11 am

I had not heard of Joan Osborne. She’s a bit harsh sounding but I would like to hear more. As for this song, I love Motown and especially this song, but I would have liked to hear Eva Cassidy sing this with the Funk. (RIP Eva.)

JamVet

February 23rd, 2013
11:19 am

Never knew a lib that could handle someone else’s opinion…

If that is your experience it can only be explained by isolation and ignorance.

Become informed, treat people decently, appreciate what the organizations you excoriate via sound bites have done for you, respect others – as in saving your animus for the other six and a half days of the week, and not at the ONLY time where it is discouraged on this forum – and I suspect that you will then stop seeing yourself in everyone else.

And Fred is correct; you act uncivil, but require it of others. It is my experience that life does not work that way.

FNM is a huge success because we will not let you and others pollute it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b90ZVVq1hD8