The Chinese gov’t knows that you’re reading this
“Start asking security experts which powerful Washington institutions have been penetrated by Chinese cyberspies, and this is the usual answer: almost all of them.
The list of those hacked in recent years includes law firms, think tanks, news organizations, human rights groups, contractors, congressional offices, embassies and federal agencies.
The information compromised by such intrusions, security experts say, would be enough to map how power is exercised in Washington to a remarkably nuanced degree. The only question, they say, is whether the Chinese have the analytical resources to sort through the massive troves of data they steal every day….
“They’re trying to make connections between prominent people who work at think tanks, prominent donors that they’ve heard of and how the government makes decisions,” said Dan Blumenthal, director of Asian studies at the American Enterprise Institute, which also has been hacked. “It’s a sophisticated intelligence-gathering effort at trying to make human-network linkages of people in power, whether they be in Congress or the executive branch.”
According to experts, the Chinese hack everybody. They hack major corporations and steal trade secrets — attacks against Google, Apple, the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times have been publicized in recent years. They hack lowly individual dissidents. They hack, or attempt to hack, major agencies in the U.S. government, including the Pentagon, CIA and White House and most certainly the Department of Commerce. Given the byzantine ways of the Chinese government, they almost certainly hack each other as well.
The natural response to such a discovery is outrage, and to some degree that outrage is justified. It is, at some level, a violation of our national sovereignty. But it gets complicated because China is hardly alone. A lot of other countries are aggressive about hacking into overseas computer networks, including the Israelis, the French and the Russians.
Oh, and the Americans too. It would be naive in the extreme to believe that the U.S. government isn’t running cyber-spying operations of its own. Those operations probably don’t extend to efforts to steal commercial secrets of foreign companies so that data can then be handed to U.S. companies, which the Chinese and other governments do. But on issues of national security, we are no doubt just as invasive as anybody else.
In other words, while everybody is a victim in this thing, everybody is also a villain. Nobody’s clean.
It’s also important to distinguish between cyberspying and cyberwarfare. If you can penetrate a highly sensitive computer network and steal data, you may also be able to do great damage to that network at a time of your choosing.
As President Obama put it in his State of the Union address:
“We know foreign countries and companies swipe our corporate secrets. Now our enemies are also seeking the ability to sabotage our power grid, our financial institutions, our air-traffic control systems. We cannot look back years from now and wonder why we did nothing in the face of real threats to our security and our economy.”
And again, it would be naive to believe that the U.S. government is not building similar capacity to bring down important computer networks in other countries, just in case it’s needed. In this game, like any other, you need to be able to play offense as well as defense.
To handle such duties, in 2010 the Defense Department created the U.S. CyberCommand, which is now slated for a major expansion. Eighty percent of the thousands of new personnel to be devoted to the effort will be military; 20 percent will be civilian experts. In fact, some of that expanded operation may be headquartered right here in Georgia, at Fort Gordon outside Augusta. That would be a big economic boost to the state, given the potential high-tech spinoffs from such an operation.
In other words, what we’re witnessing is a quiet, high-stakes state of virtual warfare that will be permanent and escalating.
– Jay Bookman
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stands for decibels - Friend of Hamas!
February 21st, 2013
1:51 pm
Ken, thugs are thugs.
Red and yellow, black and white, they are evil in my sight.
Meehhh
February 21st, 2013
1:53 pm
If China is really reading this……more egg rolls please.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 21st, 2013
1:53 pm
Fred — “I thought I could hit him with a TOW.”
As tough as A-10s are, that TOW round would probably just bounce off.
Doggone/GA
February 21st, 2013
1:53 pm
“he’s a badger hound.”
Ah yes, what P.G. Wodehouse called the easiest breed of got to trip over
Look before I leap...
February 21st, 2013
1:54 pm
@JHM
On behalf of my fellow hog drivers, you are welcome.
Alas, I never flew an actual combat mission.
Originally I thought I wanted an F-16. But the mission profile for the A-10 looked so much more interesting. We did some real flying. The boys upstairs were wusses.
Doggone/GA
February 21st, 2013
1:54 pm
OOPS! “dog” not “got”
Doing too many things at once!
RB from Gwinnett
February 21st, 2013
1:54 pm
“Obama has choices but those choices are limited. You can’t cut certain things without encurring a cost. For example, if you have a contract for a lease you can’t cancel that without paying a penalty. Think of a McDonalds if your revenue decreases what are you going to cut. Supplies and salaries is about all you have. However, much of the cost is in the lease of the building, equipment and utilities.”
I know that, and you know that, but what Obama is saying is he’s cutting out beef and bun purchases from his McDonalds. The point is, HE has the choices of what gets cut. If he chooses to send first responders to the streets instead of furloughs or cancelling that $1MM conference in Vegas, that’s his choice. He’s pissing on the people’s heads and telling them it’s raining.
stands for decibels - Friend of Hamas!
February 21st, 2013
1:54 pm
Are the Chinese still re-directed to pics of fluffy puppies if they Google “Tienanmen Square”?
DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda
February 21st, 2013
1:56 pm
Dang Debbie, are you a damn ambulance chaser like Keep? I wish you hadn’ta told THAT………..
Whatevah! I was ASKED because she knew i had a license AND I’d be willing to do it for free. She won’t even have to pay for my travel, we have an office in Florida and I’ll just work from there while/If I have to go to court on this. Which I hope NOT to do.
I’m an arbitrator mostly….I’ve never had to go to court. I’d probably mumble or something and make a fool of myself if I ever had to present a case before a judge. ESPECIALLY something I’m not even proficient in!
td
February 21st, 2013
1:58 pm
Partisay
February 21st, 2013
12:08 pm
A person making $25,000 per year and unmarried should not be having children that they can not take care of. We should not be subsidizing their irresponsible behavior. There should be consequences to your actions.
moonbat betty
February 21st, 2013
2:00 pm
True TBS, I would rather pay higher prices though.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 21st, 2013
2:01 pm
LB4IL — “Originally I thought I wanted an F-16. But the mission profile for the A-10 looked so much more interesting. We did some real flying.”
I imagine y’all did. I saw a pair of A-10s during Team Spirit one year (for you civilians, that used to be around Feb/Mar each year in South Korea), and they were just HOWLING down this narrow-azz valley, whipping back and forth and up and down as if they were doing some freakish combination of a snake dance and nap-of-the-earth flying to avoid enemy fire. Down on the valley floor, they sounded like twin tornadoes coming our way.
For an earthbound signalman, it was a pretty awesome sight.
td
February 21st, 2013
2:01 pm
I wish China would go ahead and release Obama’s real birth certificate and college records.
Jefferson
February 21st, 2013
2:01 pm
rb just knows too much for his own good, ha
moonbat betty
February 21st, 2013
2:01 pm
Fred,
Can you make a parody video to the “Honey Badger” but use the Badger Hound instead?
Jack ®
February 21st, 2013
2:02 pm
The engineers that run these complicated spying mechanisms weren’t recruited from the dropout group or the group that blames someone else for their failures.
Kamchak ~Thug from the Steppes
February 21st, 2013
2:02 pm
…should not be having children…
Presumptuous.
You don’t get to make the call on who should breed.
Look before I leap...
February 21st, 2013
2:03 pm
“For an earthbound signalman, it was a pretty awesome sight.”
A shame you never got the view from the driver’s seat.
Still makes my nipples hard when I think of it.
getalife
February 21st, 2013
2:04 pm
rb,
So you want congress to do their job but your party refuses.
Jackie
February 21st, 2013
2:04 pm
The Chinese military is a direct recipient of Wal-Mart doing business with China.
The standard of living we have enjoyed has been severely diminished by the Wal-Mart low price, low wage, job destroying phenomena.
http://justanothercoverup.com/the-symbiotic-relationship-between-wal-mart-china/wal-mart-china-benefit-america-loses-traitors-walmart-building-chinas-economy/
Paul
February 21st, 2013
2:05 pm
td
The mom was married to a Marine killed in Iraq. The Marine never got around to changing the designation on his life insurance to his new wife, who was pregnant with twins when her husband was killed.
Should corporations that cannot take care of themselves without government subsidies be forced to dissolve?
How long do you want to keep up the stupid diversions?
getalife
February 21st, 2013
2:05 pm
” wish China would go ahead and release Obama’s real birth certificate and college records.”
You should work on your credibility con.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 21st, 2013
2:05 pm
LB4IL — “A shame you never got the view from the driver’s seat.”
Now that I’m older, lazier and better-paid, I prefer the kind of flying that comes with purty flight attendants and First Class seating.
Doggone/GA
February 21st, 2013
2:08 pm
“The pilot (obviously a sled driver), responded, “We don’t plan to go up to it, we plan to go down to it.”
Yep, that’s the Blackbird!
indigo
February 21st, 2013
2:09 pm
Thomas – 1:28
You’re in way over your head here.
This site is better suited to your conservative delusions.
http://www.alternet.org/story/147851/top_10_right-wing_conspiracy_theories
DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda
February 21st, 2013
2:09 pm
Here ya go td!! I always keep a copy around in case someone asked about it. Enjoy!
getalife
February 21st, 2013
2:09 pm
“The two sides in the gun debate seem to agree that the insurance industry should play a bigger role in an armed society, but they differ on state proposals seeking to make liability coverage mandatory.” NYTimes.
Look before I leap...
February 21st, 2013
2:10 pm
@JHM
My wife is an F/A so watch yourself. I can still get my hands on an Avenger.
Fred ™
February 21st, 2013
2:10 pm
DDR: My niece is about to start law school. She applied to Emory, which would have been great since she could have stayed with us, but didn’t get accepted, but she got accepted at Virginia. Isn’t it odd? Virginia is ranked 6th I think for law schools while Emory is 60th or lower.
She is working as a paralegal for the guy who defended Terry Nichols and he encouraged her to become a lawyer. She WAS a teacher.
But don’t tell anyone. I tell folks she is doing something respectable, like working at the Chicken Ranch…….. like this……….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYoZ9nmnhh8
Kamchak ~Thug from the Steppes
February 21st, 2013
2:11 pm
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/alternet-comics-matt-davies-sequestration-standoff
Heh, heh, heh.
Paul
February 21st, 2013
2:11 pm
Car’s ready. Back in a while.
Fred ™
February 21st, 2013
2:13 pm
moonbat; I wish I could lol.
Doggone/GA
February 21st, 2013
2:14 pm
“Doggone; Doxie. Short hair. our other Doxie (male, 6YO) won’t try to eat him will he?”
Hard to tell, but to some extent it depends on you. You got to let the older dog show the younger that he’s the boss…but not let him get too rough. If they’re both males, it might or might not work out.
It’s hard for me to say for sure, since I’ve never had Doxies…but I did raise 2 dogs together from puppies and they ended up hating each other and I had to keep them separated. But on the other hand, I’ve always had males and those 2 were the only ones I ever had a problem with.
Doggone/GA
February 21st, 2013
2:16 pm
Fred – sorry, hit submit too soon. What I would suggest is that you introduce your 6 yr old to the puppy away from your house, say a block or tow away. Then walk them back home together, but make the puppy wait for the older dog AND you to go through the door first. That will establish for him what his place is in the pack.
JKL2
February 21st, 2013
2:18 pm
Jackie- The Chinese military is a direct recipient of Wal-Mart doing business with China.
Sam was all about “buy American”. Since he died, the store has become a warehouse for cheap crap from China. I can’t stand the place, but unfortunately where I live it’s about the only game in town.
Erwin's cat
February 21st, 2013
2:19 pm
the only problem we ever had with introducing new dogs to the doxies was at chow time. The older dog would eat everything in sight so the new pup couldn’t get his food…it didn’t work and he got fat
td
February 21st, 2013
2:21 pm
Paul
February 21st, 2013
2:05 pm
td
The mom was married to a Marine killed in Iraq. The Marine never got around to changing the designation on his life insurance to his new wife, who was pregnant with twins when her husband was killed.
Show me where this is happening to the majority of the people( or even more then 100) making $25,000 being single parents and then I would be willing to have a discussion about it with you.
Fred ™
February 21st, 2013
2:22 pm
Trevor Bayne leads the first lap Danica hasn’t hit anything yet.
JKL2
February 21st, 2013
2:23 pm
Paul- The Marine never got around to changing the designation on his life insurance to his new wife, who was pregnant with twins when her husband was killed.
The Marines could be different, but you usually have to update that before you deploy. If he didn’t change it, it’s because he didn’t want it changed.
moonbat betty
February 21st, 2013
2:24 pm
Danica will win.
NASCAR will do anything to increase their ratings.
Fred ™
February 21st, 2013
2:25 pm
LOL EC: We keep an open food bowl. I was wondering how thta would work as well. I don’t think Sam is going to share, but he might surprise us.
He used to stay at a friends house who had an OLD doxie and a huge dog that looked like a wolf.
td
February 21st, 2013
2:25 pm
DebbieDoRight – Minister Of Propaganda
February 21st, 2013
2:09 pm
Here ya go td!! I always keep a copy around in case someone asked about it. Enjoy!
That is a future taxpayer telling you progressive what they think of you when they get the bill for the debt you are currently accruing that they will be responsible for.
Doggone/GA
February 21st, 2013
2:27 pm
“The older dog would eat everything in sight so the new pup couldn’t get his food…it didn’t work and he got fat”
I’ve never allowed that to happen. Since my dogs were performance dogs as well as pets, AND all males, I’ve always fed them in separate crates…so each could eat at their own pace and not feel threatened by the others.
moonbat betty
February 21st, 2013
2:27 pm
“The Chinese military is a direct recipient of Wal-Mart doing business with China.”
What is it with liberals and Wal-Mart?
Walmart sells the same items as every other retail store in the US.
Go to Macys and see if you can buy any clothes made in the USA….
monty
February 21st, 2013
2:27 pm
If the CHinese hack your computer, just vomit on them!
Fred ™
February 21st, 2013
2:28 pm
moonbat: It’s just a qualifying race and she is already on the pole for the race. Everyone else is racing for where they will start (or if). She SHOULD just race cautiously, learn how the new car handles and stay out of the way and out of trouble. As long as she doesn’t wreck she’ll start on the pole Sunday.
Ya’ll have fun, gonna go watch at a bar. I FINALLY found someone to break away from work lol.
Logical Dude
February 21st, 2013
2:29 pm
Oops. .I forgot to give my guess. . .
Someone will bump into Danica between laps 40 -60.
(and hopefully they get bumped back hard)
Fred ™
February 21st, 2013
2:29 pm
That is a future taxpayer telling you progressive what they think of you when they get the bill for the debt you are currently accruing that they will be responsible for.
Isn’t it funny how the Republican assclowns ALWAYS gloss over the 2 unfunded wars and the unfunded drug mandate…………
Fred ™
February 21st, 2013
2:30 pm
Logical Dude: I’m betting she makes the whole race.
Logical Dude
February 21st, 2013
2:30 pm
Fred: It’s just a qualifying race
oh. . .then they may not bump her at all today
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
February 21st, 2013
2:31 pm
Here is our new puppy. We get him March 18.
Well, no offense, Fred, but that dog is just butt ugly. There ain’t no pretty way to say it.
Morality?
February 21st, 2013
2:32 pm
Maybe the Chinese will hack in on some of Bonnie Frank’s basement escapades …… get grossed out and disgusted.
Fred ™
February 21st, 2013
2:32 pm
Yeah, she’s riding at the back of the pack. I really WISH as a man witha daughter who likes female role models, that she was good, but she really isn’t. SHe’s an adequate driver with a beautiful face and body. Just what NASCAR wants. Chrissy Wallace is a better racer but she’s butt ugly. She’ll never get a good chance, anymore than Tina Gordon did.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 21st, 2013
2:33 pm
JKL2 — “The Marines could be different, but you usually have to update that before you deploy. If he didn’t change it, it’s because he didn’t want it changed.”
That was also the Army pre-deployment procedure.
Morality?
February 21st, 2013
2:33 pm
Are you talking about the unfunded wars that Obama voted for?
Fred ™
February 21st, 2013
2:34 pm
Well Dang Redneck Convert, and here I managed to have his little brother sent to your wife for company when you are at Billy Bob’s with Joe Earl……….. maybe she can give him a make over
td
February 21st, 2013
2:36 pm
Fred ™
February 21st, 2013
2:29 pm
That is a future taxpayer telling you progressive what they think of you when they get the bill for the debt you are currently accruing that they will be responsible for.
Isn’t it funny how the Republican assclowns ALWAYS gloss over the 2 unfunded wars and the unfunded drug mandate……
If I am not mistaken, GWB was responsible for about $800 billion for the 2 unfunded wars (which was made up with the tax increase that Obama just got). This happens to be around the same amount as Obama and the Dems did in their stimulus plan that paid off the people that got them elected.
BTW: Defending our nation and the military is one of the very few things in the Constitution that the Federal Government is suppose to do. Means tested entitlement programs are not a requirement of the Federal government.
Doggone/GA
February 21st, 2013
2:37 pm
“Are you talking about the unfunded wars that Obama voted for?”
No, since he wasn’t in the US Senate at the time he had no vote on it. You know (or maybe you don’t) that it only takes a minute or two of your time to keep from looking like a total fool.
Fred ™
February 21st, 2013
2:38 pm
Morality?
February 21st, 2013
2:33 pm
Are you talking about the unfunded wars that Obama voted for?
+++++++++++++++++++++
Really? When did he vote for either war? When did he become a Senator? When did the wars start? Hmmmmmmmm………. you didn’t REALLY mean to type to stupidity did you? You were just kidding right?
Erwin's cat
February 21st, 2013
2:39 pm
Fred – Come to think of it my sis had a miniature female doxie for several years and then they brought home two large dogs a pit mix and a Shepard mix and later a big ole bird dog…Feeding time was funny as the miniature turned into a hell hound and went after the other 3 if they came near her when she was eating. Once she was done she then “allowed” the other 3 to eat…It was a hoot watching the 3 big dogs waiting and watching for her to finish…she was the Alpha dog inside the house and the other 3 went along with it
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 21st, 2013
2:39 pm
Doggone/GA – “No, since he wasn’t in the US Senate at the time he had no vote on it. You know (or maybe you don’t) that it only takes a minute or two of your time to keep from looking like a total fool.”
Ouch, I heard that smackdown all the way up here in NYC. I almost feel sorry for Morality. Almost.
Fred ™
February 21st, 2013
2:40 pm
BTW: Defending our nation and the military is one of the very few things in the Constitution that the Federal Government is suppose to do. Means tested entitlement programs are not a requirement of the Federal government.
Really? How was invading Iraq defending our Country? You DO know the meaning of the word DEFEND don’t you?
Brosephus™
February 21st, 2013
2:42 pm
Doggone
There’s one on display at the Space and Rocket Center in Huntsville, AL. Whenever I get there, that’s about as close as I’ll get to flying in one, so I feel your pain.
——————
Look before
The A-10 isn’t nothing to sneeze at either.
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Moderate Line
I see where you got your info, but I think kayaker was assuming welfare. Paul gave the original amount as a working mother. I’d be interested to see how much that amount has changed over the years. I’ll have to check after they’re finished at Daytona.
JKL2
February 21st, 2013
2:45 pm
fred- Really? How was invading Iraq defending our Country? You DO know the meaning of the word DEFEND don’t you?
If you’re going to fight and break stuff, it’s better to do it in their house than yours.
td
February 21st, 2013
2:45 pm
Fred ™
February 21st, 2013
2:40 pm
BTW: Defending our nation and the military is one of the very few things in the Constitution that the Federal Government is suppose to do. Means tested entitlement programs are not a requirement of the Federal government.
Really? How was invading Iraq defending our Country? You DO know the meaning of the word DEFEND don’t you?
Because the US Congress, in a by partisan manner (Kerry, Clinton, Reid…) said it was in our national interest to keep us safe to invade Iraq. You do understand that DEFEND can also mean preemptive attack to ensure potential future attacks do not happen?
Doggone/GA
February 21st, 2013
2:48 pm
“If you’re going to fight and break stuff, it’s better to do it in their house than yours”
And it’s even “better” to do it in the house of someone who was no threat to you at all…right?
Brosephus™
February 21st, 2013
2:49 pm
Paul: How long do you want to keep up the stupid diversions?
How long do you plan to breathe oxygen.
комиссар (Occupation)
February 21st, 2013
2:49 pm
So, yesterday I asked our cons to answer whether FL Gov. Rick Scott is now a member of the 47%. I’m still waiting.
So, whaddya think?
Has Rick Scott been “death paneled”, politically speaking?
td
February 21st, 2013
2:51 pm
Doggone/GA
February 21st, 2013
2:48 pm
“If you’re going to fight and break stuff, it’s better to do it in their house than yours”
And it’s even “better” to do it in the house of someone who was no threat to you at all…right?
I guess to stop someone that attempted to stop the free flow of oil (the backbone to our entire economic system) to our nation is not any type of threat?
Kamchak ~Thug from the Steppes
February 21st, 2013
2:53 pm
No, since he wasn’t in the US Senate at the time he had no vote on it. You know (or maybe you don’t) that it only takes a minute or two of your time to keep from looking like a total fool.
Really? When did he vote for either war? When did he become a Senator? When did the wars start? Hmmmmmmmm………. you didn’t REALLY mean to type to stupidity did you? You were just kidding right?
Ouch, that had to hurt.
stands for decibels - Friend of Hamas!
February 21st, 2013
2:54 pm
And it’s even “better” to do it in the house of someone who was no threat to you at all…right?
The “gotta fight ‘em over there so we don’t gotta fight ‘em over here” psychopathy of the Cheney era. Don’t you miss it?
Joe Hussein Mama
February 21st, 2013
2:55 pm
(popcorn)
Brosephus™
February 21st, 2013
2:56 pm
Wow, Morality should change that question mark to an exclamation mark after getting spanked like that. Hell, that’s almost grounds to change screen names.
Doggone/GA
February 21st, 2013
2:56 pm
“Iguess to stop someone that attempted to stop the free flow of oil (the backbone to our entire economic system) to our nation is not any type of threat?”
how come OUR oil is under THEIR sand? Do you happen to have ANY evidence, besides the voices in your head, that Saddam Hussein had any such intentions?
stands for decibels - Friend of Hamas!
February 21st, 2013
2:57 pm
the free flow of oil (the backbone to our entire economic system)
Reminds me of a classic wartime flick…
Kamchak ~Thug from the Steppes
February 21st, 2013
3:00 pm
I guess to stop someone that attempted to stop the free flow of oil (the backbone to our entire economic system) to our nation is not any type of threat?
Covet much?
stands for decibels - Friend of Hamas!
February 21st, 2013
3:03 pm
Since y’all were talking a bit about cheap labor, earlier, I was wondering if anyone saw this from earlier in the week…
http://www.salon.com/2013/02/19/southern_poverty_pimps/
The real choice facing America in the 21st century is the same one that faced it in the 19th and 20th centuries — Northernomics or Southernomics?
Northernomics is the high-road strategy of building a flourishing national economy by means of government-business cooperation and government investment in R&D, infrastructure and education. Although this program of Hamiltonianism (named after Washington’s first Treasury secretary, Alexander Hamilton) has been championed by maverick Southerners as prominent as George Washington, Henry Clay and Abraham Lincoln (born in Kentucky to a Southern family), the building of a modern, high-tech, high-wage economy has been supported chiefly by political parties based in New England and the Midwest, from the Federalists and the Whigs through the Lincoln Republicans and today’s Northern Democrats.
Southernomics is radically different. The purpose of the age-old economic development strategy of the Southern states has never been to allow them to compete with other states or countries on the basis of superior innovation or living standards. Instead, for generations Southern economic policymakers have sought to secure a lucrative second-tier role for the South in the national and world economies, as a supplier of commodities like cotton and oil and gas and a source of cheap labor for footloose corporations. This strategy of specializing in commodities and cheap labor is intended to enrich the Southern oligarchy. It doesn’t enrich the majority of Southerners, white, black or brown, but it is not intended to.
[...]
Apart from a high federal minimum wage, nothing could be a greater threat to the Southern cheap-labor economic strategy than universal, standardized federal social insurance. In order to maximize the dependence of Southern workers on Southern employers in the great low-wage labor pool of the former Confederacy, it would be best to have no welfare at all, only local charity (funded and controlled, naturally, by the local wealthy families).
Brosephus™
February 21st, 2013
3:06 pm
dB
Didn’t see that one. Thanks for the linkee.
Duper
February 21st, 2013
3:07 pm
Now more than ever that OWG (one world government) dream needs to come true.
stands for decibels - Friend of Hamas!
February 21st, 2013
3:09 pm
Now more than ever that OWG (one world government) dream needs to come true.
Ultimately it will be so, of course; it’s a bit silly to imagine otherwise.
Doggone/GA
February 21st, 2013
3:09 pm
“Now more than ever that OWG (one world government) dream needs to come true”
Well, now we know what Duper dreams about at night.
stands for decibels - Friend of Hamas!
February 21st, 2013
3:11 pm
should change that question mark to an exclamation mark
reminds me of a flannel-shirted Republican presidential aspirant from long ago.
moonbat betty
February 21st, 2013
3:12 pm
sfd,
I guess everyone is going to start moving back north now!
Yippe!
Erwin's cat
February 21st, 2013
3:14 pm
Duper – “Now more than ever that OWG (one world government) dream needs to come true”
you shall be assimilated
stands for decibels - Friend of Hamas!
February 21st, 2013
3:14 pm
Yippe!
Try reading it and get back to me with what the analyst has got wrong.
moonbat betty
February 21st, 2013
3:14 pm
All this talk about dogs and Chinese is making me hungry!
stands for decibels - Friend of Hamas!
February 21st, 2013
3:17 pm
All this talk about dogs and Chinese is making me hungry!
That should not make me laugh. It is very wrong.
Erwin's cat
February 21st, 2013
3:20 pm
All this talk about dogs and Chinese is making me hungry!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gAU2ex2LvM
Kinda brings new meaning to……”How much is that doggie in the window?”
stands for decibels - Friend of Hamas!
February 21st, 2013
3:20 pm
crap, look at the time. must leave Bookman time-suck. later…
Marty Huggins'
February 21st, 2013
3:22 pm
Doggone/GA
February 21st, 2013
1:13 pm
It doesn’t matter at all if they are her parents and provide every resource for her.
Nobody can force anyone to have an “optional” medical procedure.
If it was a health risk and her life was in danger, they could make that call.
Take away the emotion, this would be similar to a parent forcing a teen to have plastic surgery and the teen didn’t want it.
In both cases it is a non-patient making a decision that is optional and optional procedures cannot be performed without patient consent.
I tried and was unable to find any precedent set where as an optional procedure was forced upon a person of age to give verbal consent.
I did find this though……
“A minor who is unmarried and pregnant can consent to treatment of pregnancy other than abortio”
http://rightnow.texmed.org/ci/fattach/get/19231/
Brosephus™
February 21st, 2013
3:23 pm
betty
That 3:14 is wrong on so many levels, and I’m just as wrong for laughing.
That Black Guy
February 21st, 2013
3:25 pm
Doggone/GA
February 21st, 2013
1:44 pm
Fred – cute puppy! What breed?
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It’s a Fredhound.
They are fun and protective, but will bite if you use the words “Fox” or “Rush”.
Also, they don’t bark like other dogs. Theirs sound like “Delusionallickspittle”.
Doggone/GA
February 21st, 2013
3:26 pm
“A minor who is unmarried and pregnant can consent to treatment of pregnancy other than abortio”
Yes, someone posted that (in different words) way back.
Paul
February 21st, 2013
3:27 pm
td
“Show me where this is happening to the majority of the people( or even more then 100) making $25,000 being single parents and then I would be willing to have a discussion about it with you.”
It’s irrelevant. The question, as I’m sure you remember as you’re trying so hard to avoid it, was if Sinkwich and kayaker 71 are okay with corporations who earn billions paying no federal income taxes and receiving government subsidies, are they okay with low-income individuals and families also paying no federal income taxes?
As far as your diversion: your contention is there are 100 or fewer single moms in the country who make $25k a year? You really going with that? (hint: earnings per year divided by 2080 standard workhours per year equals pay rate. You think that pay rate sounds suspicious?).
I notice you did not ask if it’s common for corporations showing hundreds of millions or over a billion in profits to pay no federal income taxes. You really don’t want to go there, do you?
So how about answering the original question? The level of pay or family circumstance is irrelevant. It’s about those earning a profit or return on their labor being exempt from paying federal income tax.
But you might just have a bare, flickering inkling of where this is going, so it’s entirely understandable you want to divert, avoid and dismiss rather than answering. It’s probably too threatening to your skewed view of reality.
Doggone/GA
February 21st, 2013
3:30 pm
“It’s probably too threatening to your skewed view of reality.”
Is it EVER!
moonbat betty
February 21st, 2013
3:30 pm
sfd/Bro,
It’s not wrong it it’s true!
j/k
I love dogs (not to eat though, mind you) and E-Cat’s 3:20 definitely will kill your appetite.
JamVet
February 21st, 2013
3:30 pm
betty, I believe their is an old Chinese blues classic, redone by the Stones, Aerosmith and others named Wokking the Dog…
That Black Guy
February 21st, 2013
3:34 pm
DDR – TBG – Hiya doing!! I’ve seen you on the blogs once or twice, but you’re always busy talking to that shiftless, no good BAMMA person and you never say “hi” to anyone else.
Hey DDR. I’m here everyday, I just don’t comment. Sometimes, by the time I get on, everything has been said.
I’ll do better, as you always make me laugh.
That Black Guy
February 21st, 2013
3:36 pm
Anyone planning to go to the Oysterfest this weekend?
http://www.steamhouselounge.com/oysterfest.html
td
February 21st, 2013
3:37 pm
Paul
February 21st, 2013
3:27 pm
td
“Show me where this is happening to the majority of the people( or even more then 100) making $25,000 being single parents and then I would be willing to have a discussion about it with you.”
“As far as your diversion: your contention is there are 100 or fewer single moms in the country who make $25k a year? You really going with that? (hint: earnings per year divided by 2080 standard workhours per year equals pay rate. You think that pay rate sounds suspicious?).”
I was writing to your one in a million example.