The Chinese gov’t knows that you’re reading this
“Start asking security experts which powerful Washington institutions have been penetrated by Chinese cyberspies, and this is the usual answer: almost all of them.
The list of those hacked in recent years includes law firms, think tanks, news organizations, human rights groups, contractors, congressional offices, embassies and federal agencies.
The information compromised by such intrusions, security experts say, would be enough to map how power is exercised in Washington to a remarkably nuanced degree. The only question, they say, is whether the Chinese have the analytical resources to sort through the massive troves of data they steal every day….
“They’re trying to make connections between prominent people who work at think tanks, prominent donors that they’ve heard of and how the government makes decisions,” said Dan Blumenthal, director of Asian studies at the American Enterprise Institute, which also has been hacked. “It’s a sophisticated intelligence-gathering effort at trying to make human-network linkages of people in power, whether they be in Congress or the executive branch.”
According to experts, the Chinese hack everybody. They hack major corporations and steal trade secrets — attacks against Google, Apple, the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times have been publicized in recent years. They hack lowly individual dissidents. They hack, or attempt to hack, major agencies in the U.S. government, including the Pentagon, CIA and White House and most certainly the Department of Commerce. Given the byzantine ways of the Chinese government, they almost certainly hack each other as well.
The natural response to such a discovery is outrage, and to some degree that outrage is justified. It is, at some level, a violation of our national sovereignty. But it gets complicated because China is hardly alone. A lot of other countries are aggressive about hacking into overseas computer networks, including the Israelis, the French and the Russians.
Oh, and the Americans too. It would be naive in the extreme to believe that the U.S. government isn’t running cyber-spying operations of its own. Those operations probably don’t extend to efforts to steal commercial secrets of foreign companies so that data can then be handed to U.S. companies, which the Chinese and other governments do. But on issues of national security, we are no doubt just as invasive as anybody else.
In other words, while everybody is a victim in this thing, everybody is also a villain. Nobody’s clean.
It’s also important to distinguish between cyberspying and cyberwarfare. If you can penetrate a highly sensitive computer network and steal data, you may also be able to do great damage to that network at a time of your choosing.
As President Obama put it in his State of the Union address:
“We know foreign countries and companies swipe our corporate secrets. Now our enemies are also seeking the ability to sabotage our power grid, our financial institutions, our air-traffic control systems. We cannot look back years from now and wonder why we did nothing in the face of real threats to our security and our economy.”
And again, it would be naive to believe that the U.S. government is not building similar capacity to bring down important computer networks in other countries, just in case it’s needed. In this game, like any other, you need to be able to play offense as well as defense.
To handle such duties, in 2010 the Defense Department created the U.S. CyberCommand, which is now slated for a major expansion. Eighty percent of the thousands of new personnel to be devoted to the effort will be military; 20 percent will be civilian experts. In fact, some of that expanded operation may be headquartered right here in Georgia, at Fort Gordon outside Augusta. That would be a big economic boost to the state, given the potential high-tech spinoffs from such an operation.
In other words, what we’re witnessing is a quiet, high-stakes state of virtual warfare that will be permanent and escalating.
– Jay Bookman
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That Black Guy
February 21st, 2013
11:59 am
Partisay
February 21st, 2013
10:53 am
kayaker 71 – “But it’s better to demonize those evil people who give money to support something that they believe in and, horrors……. make money at the same time…. lots of money.”
So I take it you have no problem with Soros? After all, I’m sure he believes in what he gives money for.
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But Soros doesn’t “produce” anything except more money, just like Buffet (sp?). Isn’t that one of the things we HATE about investment bankers? What’s the diff between them and Jamie Dimon?
n
February 21st, 2013
12:00 pm
The Chinese already have all our money. They have all our technology because we gave it to them so they could manufacture everything we consume.
They don’t need us anymore.
The only thing that saves us from them zapping us at will is they have no reason to subjugate a population that’s shallow, lazy, ignorant, useless and spends all it’s time/energy/attention watching porn, football, computer games, Honey Boo Boo and collecting/caressing assault weapons.
Doggone/GA
February 21st, 2013
12:02 pm
“The Chinese already have all our money”
Don’t know much about the fiscal relationship between us and China, do you?
Peadawg
February 21st, 2013
12:03 pm
“The only thing that saves us from them zapping us at will is they have no reason to subjugate a population that’s shallow, lazy, ignorant, useless and spends all it’s time/energy/attention watching porn, football, computer games, Honey Boo Boo and collecting/caressing assault weapons.”
And the fact that we keep borrowing a crap-ton of money from them.
alex
February 21st, 2013
12:03 pm
@ Paul you could have stopped after Sun Tzu, the “high school” analogy suggests more about your biased cerebral cortex than anything about political life-back to narcissm (machavielli)
keith
February 21st, 2013
12:04 pm
President Obama is doing a great job and the polls show this fact.
WRONG! If 0 was doing a great job the polls would be showing 60 percent plus approval. hes barely over 50. he is mediocre at best,. the only reason anyone approves of him is because he makes us pay your bills.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 21st, 2013
12:05 pm
Doggone — “Don’t know much about the fiscal relationship between us and China, do you?”
Let’s just hope that China doesn’t sell their future cash flows to J.B. Wentworth.
You know, the 877-CASH-NOW people.
Doggone/GA
February 21st, 2013
12:06 pm
“Paul you could have stopped after Sun Tzu, the “high school” analogy suggests more about your biased cerebral cortex than anything about political life-back to narcissm (machavielli)”
And, of course, YOURS is completely, totally, and inarguably non-biased in every way…right?
getalife
February 21st, 2013
12:06 pm
alex,
After the w disaster, there was nowhere to go but up.
The majority gave up on government but gave it one last chance by electing the new guy.
keith
February 21st, 2013
12:08 pm
why is 0 lying about first responders getting cut if FEDERAL spending is cut? fear mongering his base because he knows how stupid you are jay.
Partisay
February 21st, 2013
12:08 pm
I’m hungry, and extremely disappointed. Kayaker comes back but fails to address Paul’s 11:03 post. Just like Sinkwich yesterday. Instead he just called the President (or Bozo, as he calls him…classy) a liar – ” He has lied to the American electorate more than anyone since FDR.”
Wow. Maybe he missed it. In case he did….
“But I asked Sinkwich a followup, which he ducked. I’m hoping you’ll address it.
Given your response, are you also ‘fine’ that 47% of Americans pay no federal income tax? Because they shouldn’t pay more than is legally required? Because Congress made the laws and these people are obeying them? You’re fine if a corporation with profits of over a billion a year pays no tax and gets taxpayer assistance, you feel the same when it’s a single mom earning $25,000 a year, right?”
How about it Kayaker? You satisfied on those not paying taxes? Since you made a big fuss out of debbie’s deal with the Koch bros and taxes and all…..
indigo
February 21st, 2013
12:09 pm
Let’s just hope our hackers are the best in the business.
getalife
February 21st, 2013
12:10 pm
China needs us and we need them.
They are our trading partners and not the enemy.
The enemy is aq and they are pretty much running for cover and running out of places to run.
Kamchak ~Thug from the Steppes
February 21st, 2013
12:10 pm
“Help, my cerebral cortex is biased and I can’t get up!”
– Thomas “Life Alert” Jefferson
alex
February 21st, 2013
12:10 pm
@that black guy;don’t start ups benefit from hedge funds?
n
February 21st, 2013
12:11 pm
“You also agree that we, and anyone authorized by us, may identify you as the author of any of your postings by name, email address or screen name, as we or they deem appropriate.
“From AJC user agreement.
A disincentive for registering when Jay’s blog migrates.
“Anyone” may not necessarily like what you write about them and let the PTB here know it.
There is a certain freedom to speak in anonymity. Some have abused it, of course; but on the whole it is a good thing for the citizenry, IMO..
keith
February 21st, 2013
12:12 pm
China needs us and we need them.
They are our trading partners and not the enemy.
The enemy is aq and they are pretty much running for cover and running out of places to run.
yea right. they are communists like you so of course you defend china. you AND them are enemies of this country.
getalife
February 21st, 2013
12:13 pm
keith,
You need to see a doctor about your ods.
Jefferson
February 21st, 2013
12:14 pm
keith is full.
F. Sinkwich
February 21st, 2013
12:14 pm
If we really wanted to screw with China we’d send them our liberals.
In short order they’d be so effed up they’d cease to function.
getalife
February 21st, 2013
12:14 pm
China has all our jobs so they can hack locally.
keith
February 21st, 2013
12:14 pm
0 is using first responders just like he uses children for political gain. to hell with the truth. no first responders will be cut if FEDERAL spending is cut. only the dumbest believe that. and that is 0s supporters, he knows how dumb you are.
Paul
February 21st, 2013
12:14 pm
alex
Was just an observation about how some people can’t understand how a majority can’t be in love with the same thing they are. Be it a mom or a politician or an advisor, disconnects happen at all levels. Those who succeed recognize it, modify themselves, then reengage. Those who continue to struggle maintain the belief system everyone else is too dim to see what’s so plain.
Different analogies work for different people. We have a broad readership on this blog.
Now, I’m off. ttyl -
alex
February 21st, 2013
12:15 pm
@ Doggone, for the record:no, absolutely no… Just less biased than you and kam and jam and paul and CC and Granny and most people (mabye not josef) on this blog…..
getalife
February 21st, 2013
12:15 pm
keith,
You need to see a doctor ASAP.
Ask for atavan. It will make you happy.
keith
February 21st, 2013
12:15 pm
radical leftwing buffoons siding with communists against OUR country.
Fred ™
February 21st, 2013
12:15 pm
@ Moderate line;only as to inherint deception and narcissm
You should stick with words you know what the meaning is and how to spell alex. That would probably be mono-syllabic words of 6 letters or less.
Fred ™
February 21st, 2013
12:17 pm
the only reason anyone approves of him is because he makes us pay your bills.
You don’t make enough money to pay my bills son.
keith
February 21st, 2013
12:18 pm
obama granted another hard core interview. toughest question: where will your presidential library be located? he had a very difficult time with that one. Hawaii is so far away and chicago is full of gangbanger thugs that will rape and rob visitors. so he picked chicago so his friends can make money of their victims.
alex
February 21st, 2013
12:18 pm
@ Paul, got it, a great example is little league baseball:’ Hey Coach, put my son at SS…” Yada,yada..
DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda
February 21st, 2013
12:18 pm
Had to step out for a minute! Back now –
Fred: DDR: What’s to be on the fence about? How can you FORCE a woman (or girl) tohave an abortion?
I’m on the fence because:
YES its true that she can’t /shouldn’t be forced to abort however she IS a teenager and the full load of the child she brings into the world, if she decides to keep it, will be on the parents, NOT her.
YES she has the right to have her baby. Freedom of Choice is not just the right to have an abortion but also the right NOT to have an abortion.
NO she’s a minor — she’s not legally able to enter into a contract and in some states, her parents are liable for all her mistakes, (eg: if she breaks the neighbors window her parents would have to pay). Looking at it from that perspective I can see why her parents didn’t want the added burden of a baby.
Babies are expensive. If the family is already under financial strain, the last thing they’d want is an additional strain of providing for another mouth to feed.
NO if she’s “grown enough” to sue her parents, then she should be “grown enough” to take care of that child on her own. WHY should the parents have to pay for her mistakes? She could’ve went to court to become an EMANCIPATED minor, instead she chose to bring up this “They want me to abort” defense. Its as if this whole thing is contrived and she set up her parents to be on the hook for her mistake for years to come.
NO a car and a cell phone is NOT A RIGHT; its a privileged. So what if her parents took them from her? That’s what parents do when they punish you for your bad behavior. And, let’s not get it twisted, what she did was part of irresponsible, and BAD behavior. This is 2013 — even if she knows nothing of / or had no way of getting conventional means of birth control; condoms come 3/pack at every local Quik Trip.
YES I know that once the baby comes, (or rather i HOPE that once the baby comes), the parents minds will change and their “advocating”, (not forcing), for an abortion will be a moot point; however I feel that the daughter intentionally put them in the role of the “bad guy” just to get her way.
I’m trying to get the transcripts of the case soon as it comes out, (It’ll be in FindLaw); then I can be a better judge of each participants’ demeanor and statements; so for now….
………….I’m still on the fence!!
Doggone/GA
February 21st, 2013
12:18 pm
“Let’s just hope that China doesn’t sell their future cash flows to J.B. Wentworth”
Wouldn’t make any difference to us! The Chinese would get some fraction of what we owe, and we’d be paying JG instead of China.
getalife
February 21st, 2013
12:18 pm
keith,
China does not have a gop or partisan gridlock.
They have the advantage and it is common knowledge.
Matti
February 21st, 2013
12:19 pm
If they’re hacking MY online activity, I guess they know that I love me some Tom Yum soup, then.
Partisay
February 21st, 2013
12:19 pm
That black guy…I can’t quote how many jobs are created or sustained by Buffett or by Soros for that matter. But I bet it’s more than a couple.
keith
February 21st, 2013
12:20 pm
You don’t make enough money to pay my bills son.
the govt is going broke trying to support you boy.
Doggone/GA
February 21st, 2013
12:20 pm
“Just less biased than you ”
That rated WAY, WAY beyond a chuckle…that’s belly laugh territory!
keith
February 21st, 2013
12:22 pm
without gop gridlock 0 wouldve sold the white house to china by now. it would be called the red house by now.
getalife
February 21st, 2013
12:22 pm
Tick, tick, tick.
Fred ™
February 21st, 2013
12:22 pm
Will someone show me the loan papers the US signed for China?
barking frog
February 21st, 2013
12:23 pm
DDR
about the young lady, you gotta admire her manipulation.
Fred ™
February 21st, 2013
12:23 pm
keith
February 21st, 2013
12:22 pm
without gop gridlock 0 wouldve sold the white house to china by now. it would be called the red house by now.
+++++++++++++++++++
Thanks keith for the reminder it’s after noon now and ok to drink………..
Fred ™
February 21st, 2013
12:24 pm
I like the mental giant who claims we gave China all our technology. If that’s the case, why don’t they have one of these?
http://onebigphoto.com/were-kind-of-a-big-deal/
Joe Hussein Mama
February 21st, 2013
12:24 pm
Doggone — “Wouldn’t make any difference to us! The Chinese would get some fraction of what we owe, and we’d be paying JG instead of China.”
Insofar as China holds a lot of our debt *now* and wouldn’t if they sold the cash flows, it’d make a lot of difference to us. Perhaps not economically, but I feel pretty strongly that China is actually *moderating* its words and behavior in order to continue benefiting from our indebtedness.
If China ever *did* decide to stop buying our debt, or even worse, to get rid of our debt, I’d be anticipating war with them in the near future.
keith
February 21st, 2013
12:25 pm
hes selling everything else to them. he gave A123 battery maker millions of our, not your, OUR money and now its a chinese company. yes, i am right, hes a sellout.
keith
February 21st, 2013
12:26 pm
you despise America. you would never admit it but you would love to trash the constitution and make 0 dictator for life.
getalife
February 21st, 2013
12:27 pm
Debbie,
They had the 16 year old father on cnn and he wants to have the baby and was shocked her parents decided not to have it.
I great episode of 16 and pregnant full of drama.
Fred ™
February 21st, 2013
12:28 pm
DDR: The way the law treats abortion these days, if the mom wants an abortion, it’s just some cells. If the mom wants to keep the baby, it’s a life and to take it would be murder. You notice that while abortions are legal, if someone murders a pregnant lady, they get charged with TWO counts of murder, not one.
kayaker 71
February 21st, 2013
12:29 pm
Paul, 11:03,
That mother who makes gets 25K/yr of our tax money produces absolutely nothing of worth. Koch employs nearly 70,000 people worldwide and supplies goods and services from it’s efforts which benefit much more than Koch Industries, not to mention providing jobs and all that goes with it. This is idiotic. Like comparing apples and oranges.
alex
February 21st, 2013
12:30 pm
Fred, your right I don’t know how to spell, as to the rest, you could not follow an unbiased thread even if you wanted to. Example for getalife, ativan is not spelled atavan, but their point is the idea, the exact spelling is unnecessary.
Sequestor….the GOP has handled much of this poorly, but to many people it appears that the president appears desparate (sp?). The GOP should continue to use these economic issues to keep deficeit reduction thru less spending in the minds of the 2014 voter. The presidents use of the bully pulpit is effective but may prove tiresome and he will ALSO be perceived as part of the problem…
keith
February 21st, 2013
12:30 pm
i have to do do something liberals know nothing about, work
getalife
February 21st, 2013
12:31 pm
kay,
The koch’s are doing well and do not need any help from government so why are they in politics?
Doggone/GA
February 21st, 2013
12:32 pm
“If China ever *did* decide to stop buying our debt, or even worse, to get rid of our debt, I’d be anticipating war with them in the near future”
Yes, I wouldn’t argue with that. My Mother used to worry, back when, about the Saudies buying land and buildings in the US. I said “What’s to worry?” They can’t vote, and they’ll still have to pay taxes…and the more they own the less likely they’d ever think of starting a war with us and having it all confiscated.
Brosephus™
February 21st, 2013
12:32 pm
why is 0 lying about first responders getting cut if FEDERAL spending is cut?
Why don’t you educate yourself to keep from sounding like an idiot? My employer has already started sending out the emails warning of furloughs and cuts, and we’re as first as responders can be. After the 1st, I’ll be advising creditors that their payments will be furloughed until Congress does their job. If I’m not getting paid, then they should not expect to either. I can’t just crap money like some people seem to be able to.
Fred ™
February 21st, 2013
12:33 pm
keith, put down the bottle and sleep it off.
Thomas Heyward Jr
February 21st, 2013
12:34 pm
Chinas hacked the whole dang elections of 2008 and 2012.
.
Hence the Marxist Murderer.
kayaker 71
February 21st, 2013
12:34 pm
They are in the game the same as that Chick Filet guy and many others like them. They are in the game because it is a free country for those with beliefs in something to back it up with cash to support a stand, a candidate or a movement of some kind. Why not? Liberals do it every day. We just don’t hear about it much.
Kamchak ~Thug from the Steppes
February 21st, 2013
12:34 pm
The GOP should continue to use these economic issues to keep deficeit[sic] reduction thru less spending in the minds of the 2014 voter.
Deficit?
Did someone try to mention deficit?
Which brings us to the economic level. The deficits that Bush ran up in the years in which the country was teetering on the verge of a serious recession had the beneficial effect of righting the economy. In that sense, deficits not only didn’t matter, but were a force for economic good.
Translation: IOKIYAR
Doggone/GA
February 21st, 2013
12:35 pm
“if someone murders a pregnant lady, they get charged with TWO counts of murder, not one.”
and we’ve discussed this ad nauseum. The law ASSUMES that the pregnancy is wanted and since it can’t be counted as “durable goods lost in a crime” – it’s included in the murder indictment.
getalife
February 21st, 2013
12:35 pm
keith had a meltdown.
If you don’t want a pol to payback for unlimited donations, fight to change the system.
Fred ™
February 21st, 2013
12:36 pm
alex: Try again when you are sober and can construct a coherent sentence. That last stuff you wrote doesn’t make a lick of sense. You must be talking to the voices in your head.
Fred ™
February 21st, 2013
12:38 pm
and we’ve discussed this ad nauseum. The law ASSUMES that the pregnancy is wanted and since it can’t be counted as “durable goods lost in a crime” – it’s included in the murder indictment.
So thank you for reenforcing my point. Although in this instance neither we nor the law has to assume a damn thing. The girl WANTS the child.
getalife
February 21st, 2013
12:38 pm
kay,
Fair enough.
Don’t hate the players, hate the game and fight to change it if you don’t like it like keith.
stevie ray
February 21st, 2013
12:39 pm
Doggone/GA
February 21st, 2013
12:32 pm
Seems to me the first impression China will have about how decisions are made here is that we may be more corrupt than them.
IMO this and our reliance on borrowed funds are the two most significant security risks we face. Next “war” will not be ground attack..
DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda
February 21st, 2013
12:40 pm
Frog: DDR
about the young lady, you gotta admire her manipulation.
Hiya Frog!! Yep. She’s a future lawyer in the making. If she can get out of high school and to a decent college; she should study law. She’s THAT damn good!
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radical
leftwingRIGHT WING TEA PARTYING buffoons siding with communists against OUR country.There! Fixed it for ya!!
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China has all our jobs so they can hack locally.
Ha! Good point! Really, really good point! They probably already had all the back door passcodes from the US’s “employees” and didn’t even need to HACK!
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Why I hate Kam 101:
Help, my cerebral cortex is biased and I can’t get up!”
– Thomas “Life Alert” Jefferson
Only he can come up with good stuff like that!! I’m going to start a rumor that Kam wears magic underwear! That’ll fix him.
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I’m hungry, and extremely disappointed. Kayaker comes back but fails to address Paul’s 11:03 post. Just like Sinkwich yesterday. Instead he just called the President (or Bozo, as he calls him…classy) a liar – ” He has lied to the American electorate more than anyone since FDR.”
Heh heh heh! I saw where he came in briefly, took a shot at me, saw that Paul was back on the blogs, and then he hauled azz out really quickly after that!!
That Paul! He kills them with kindness and LOGIC – its awesome watching him at work!
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WRONG! If 0 was doing a great job the polls would be showing 60 percent plus approval. hes barely over 50.
What’s the GOPs ratings? 25% or something like that…….
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K71: If you believe most anything that he has to say, your intelligence takes on a whole new meaning. No, Debbie, I don’t believe him and no thinking American does.
You don’t believei n evolution either, so what? I’m supposed to be impressed that YOU don’t believe something someone says?
HA!
комиссар (Occupation)
February 21st, 2013
12:40 pm
Well, lookie here:
http://www.nationalmemo.com/amid-tightening-senate-polls-georgia-republicans-seek-repeal-of-17th-amendment/#.USZOKQS0ugY.twitter
In the latest example of the GOP’s selective reverence for the Constitution, six Georgia Republicans are trying to end the election of U.S. senators by popular vote — just as a new poll shows that the GOP’s footing in the state’s upcoming Senate election is less secure than previously thought.
The Douglas County Sentinel reports that state representatives Dustin Hightower, Mike Dudgeon, Buzz Brockway, Josh Clark, Kevin Cooke, and Delvis Dutton — all Republicans — have introduced a resolution to repeal the 17th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The 17th Amendment, which was adopted in 1913, mandated that senators be elected by popular vote; before its passage, senators were selected by state legislatures.
[...]
stevie ray
February 21st, 2013
12:40 pm
Fred ™
February 21st, 2013
12:36 pm
Do you really suppose Alex is drinking his breakfast?
That Black Guy
February 21st, 2013
12:42 pm
Brosephus™
February 21st, 2013
11:37 am
Fred
I think he hacked my pc or something. I don’t remember telling him anything.
___________________________________________
All that time in Sinop, Turkey watching the Ruskies didn’t go to waste.
Thomas Heyward Jr
February 21st, 2013
12:42 pm
They didn’t have to hack into Chrysler/Fiat/Jeep.
.
The Marxist in the sec 8 Whitehouse………..gave it to them.
.
lol
stevie ray
February 21st, 2013
12:42 pm
JAY
Also relative to the Chinese ability to digest and make use of the data, any assumption that they have not the talent to do such is a real bogus assumption. It doesn’t take much to distill massive amounts of data into workable bits..with focus on certain aspects of data..
getalife
February 21st, 2013
12:43 pm
Fred,
The girl is a minor and her parents want to abort.
She would need their permission to abort but not to have the baby but will need her parents to help raise the child.
It is a interesting case and I can see why Debbie is on the fence.
Brosephus™
February 21st, 2013
12:43 pm
That mother who makes gets 25K/yr of our tax money produces absolutely nothing of worth.
The mother who “makes gets”??? Damn, when you’re gonna make up sh*t, at least ensure it sounds remotely plausible. Nobody gets $25,000 in welfare, and if you believe such dumb sh*t, then there is absolutely no hope for you at all. That mother who makes $25,000 is doing stuff like bathing and cleaning up after stroke victims. I’m sure you know the details involved in that. That $25K is someone’s assistant answering phones and getting coffee.
I can’t understand why I even expect rational thought from you anymore. Seems like a grown assed man should have the intelligence to match.
barking frog
February 21st, 2013
12:43 pm
Fred™ 12:24
Uncle has some bad machinery…on Okinawa in 1968 the SR71
was located there and when one took off the warm up and takeoff
would vibrate block buildings a good bit away from the field…
Fred ™
February 21st, 2013
12:43 pm
stevie ray: I hope so, if he isn’t then I feel really bad because I fear I would be laughing at a mentally handicapped person and I wouldn’t want to be doing that.
Moderate Line
February 21st, 2013
12:44 pm
alex
February 21st, 2013
11:40 am
@ Moderate line;only as to inherint deception and narcissm
+++++
I have no idea what your point is.
Fred ™
February 21st, 2013
12:45 pm
SIDE NOTE: If you click on any of the pictures I linked, try browsing through the collection. I didn’t find it on purpose, but whoever’s photo account that is has some AWESOME shots. I’ve been looking at them for the last 30 minutes or so.
getalife
February 21st, 2013
12:45 pm
tommy,
How is our President a “Marxist”?
Fred ™
February 21st, 2013
12:46 pm
Like this one:
http://onebigphoto.com/japan-aogashima-volcano/
Doggone/GA
February 21st, 2013
12:46 pm
“The girl WANTS the child”
And what, exactly, does that have to do with murdering a pregnant woman?
Brosephus™
February 21st, 2013
12:46 pm
TBG
RB from Gwinnett
February 21st, 2013
12:46 pm
First responders will only be out of work if the sequestor goes through “IF OBAMA CHOOSES THEM TO BE OUT OF WORK”. He gets to pick which things get cut and which don’t based on the actual legislation (that he basically came up with). So when Oblame-a stands before the microphone again, lying through his teeth as he has been doing recently, you’ll know the TRUTH about first responders and their potential for continued employment.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 21st, 2013
12:47 pm
S. Ray — “Do you really suppose Alex is drinking his breakfast?”
Either that, or the nurse brings his breakfast in a little paper cup and he’s expected to wash all the tablets down with a little cup of water.
stevie ray
February 21st, 2013
12:48 pm
alex
February 21st, 2013
12:30 pm
You sure don’t appear to me to be chemically influenced.
BO et al’s most successful skill by far is the ability to deflect blame not matter what the issue. Jay Carney admits the sequester idea was BO’s and administration. Now he is rambling on about the GOP being the problem. All the jobs he is hysterically bullhorning that will alledgedly be lost, is just a method toward his goal…don’t be blamed for anything. His deal. We are talking about such a small fraction of cuts that I can’t see foundation for all the hysteria..except BO deflecting that this was by his design…how could the GOP not go along with it?
Fred ™
February 21st, 2013
12:48 pm
Frog: My niece’s hubby (does that make him my nephew in law lol), actually flies the B-52. the “latest” upgrades on that thing are older than he is lol.
getalife
February 21st, 2013
12:48 pm
rb,
You are consistently dead wrong and it does not bother you.
I guess that is something.
Logical Dude
February 21st, 2013
12:49 pm
Keith: hes selling everything else to them. he gave A123 battery maker millions of our, not your, OUR money and now its a chinese company. yes, i am right, hes a sellout.
okay, who is “he”, “our”, and “your”? Pronouns make sense after using proper nouns. In the absence of proper nouns, pronouns can be rather confusing.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 21st, 2013
12:49 pm
the govt is going broke trying to support you boy.
It s going broke supporting the Southern Red States. They pay little in taxes and receive most of the spending.
The bigger northern economies have always to a certain extent subsidized a decent standard of living in the very poor rural south.
That is why the South has electricity. Federal ( Northern ) dollars.
I dont know if they can do it much longer though.
stevie ray
February 21st, 2013
12:50 pm
Moderate Line
February 21st, 2013
12:44 pm
I paid good money to be diagnosed as emotionally avoidant and narcissistic. What that really means is my head is up my butt and I don’t want to talk about it…
DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda
February 21st, 2013
12:50 pm
DDR: The way the law treats abortion these days, if the mom wants an abortion, it’s just some cells. If the mom wants to keep the baby, it’s a life and to take it would be murder. You notice that while abortions are legal, if someone murders a pregnant lady, they get charged with TWO counts of murder, not one.
Not all – certain states do. These states treat the fetus as a child IF the fetus is over a certain amount of weeks, (the same as abortionists do). If the fetus can viably live outside of the womb, then it’s considered a child, hence the murder of the mother is also the murder of the child.
I haven’t seen any cases where there was a death penalty given to someone who killed a mother in her first trimester. Could be out there, but i just haven’t seen it.
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GetalifeThey had the 16 year old father on cnn and he wants to have the baby and was shocked her parents decided not to have it. A great episode of 16 and pregnant full of drama.
IMO that’s probably why she got pregnant. Instant stardom if they use you for an episode. However, you know that I have too many cynical bones in my body and her willingness to keep the child could be as she says, because she wants it.
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Thanks keith for the reminder it’s after noon now and ok to drink………..
Steve
February 21st, 2013
12:50 pm
yawn
Fred ™
February 21st, 2013
12:50 pm
And what, exactly, does that have to do with murdering a pregnant woman?
Precedent. How can the “law” force this girl to “murder” her child? It can’t.
State forced abortions. Boy howdy what a brouhaha that would create.
Doggone/GA
February 21st, 2013
12:51 pm
“IMO this and our reliance on borrowed funds are the two most significant security risks we face. Next “war” will not be ground attack..”
And if we confront the Chinese with an ultimatum: “Cease the attacks or we’ll suspend payment on the money owed” how likely is it they won’t pay attention? They can’t “repossess this country and if we announce we refuse to pay, they’ll have a HARD time selling those bonds they’re holding.
stevie ray
February 21st, 2013
12:52 pm
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 21st, 2013
12:49 pm
I never thought of that but in the scheme of things, it’s irrelevant. Where do you get this information?
Doggone/GA
February 21st, 2013
12:54 pm
“She would need their permission to abort but not to have the baby but will need her parents to help raise the child”
Here’s another wrinkle: if they can’t force her to get an abortion, can they force her to put the child up for adoption?
indigo
February 21st, 2013
12:54 pm
Brosephus – “seems like a grown assed man should have the intelligence to match”
Actually, many here are Christian Academy home schoolers who spend time posting when they should be studying. That will explain why their posts are filled with such profound ignorance.
Granny Godzilla
February 21st, 2013
12:54 pm
RB
He gets to pick which things get cut and which don’t based on the actual legislation (that he basically came up with)..
oh and I think we all need to remember that not a single house democrat voted for the sequester….
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I challenge the accuracy of that statement.
Now I know the GOP today is making noises
about a new plan to deal with the sequester that includes that which you suggest…..
Fred ™
February 21st, 2013
12:55 pm
Doggone@ 12:51: Most people don’t seem to realize that China needs the money we give them more than we need their cheap goods. Especially the ones who place a reliance on FOX news, talk radio, and other hard right wing new sources selling fear.
larry
February 21st, 2013
12:56 pm
BO et al’s most successful skill by far is the ability to deflect blame not matter what the issue. Jay Carney admits the sequester idea was BO’s and administration. Now he is rambling on about the GOP being the problem.
Doesnt it take two sides to make a deal? And didnt the GOP overwhelmingly vote for this? Didnt this happen because the GOP didnt want to raise the debt ceiling? Couldnt the GOP reject the idea if this idea was the Presidents? Havent the GOP objected and rejected everything proposed by this President? Why not this?
Doggone/GA
February 21st, 2013
12:57 pm
“the SR71″
My FAVORITE airplane! That is one awesome bird, and I don’t use awesome often!
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 21st, 2013
12:57 pm
I never thought of that but in the scheme of things, it’s irrelevant. Where do you get this information?
Google it. Its everywhere.
The states that get more back than they send in in tax dollars are almost all Red States.