Standing athwart a pathway to citizenship, yelling ‘No!’

In a new Bloomberg poll, just 23 percent of Americans say they oppose giving illegal immigrants a pathway to citizenship. That finding is echoed by a newly released Pew poll, which reports that just 25 percent of Americans back the enforcement-only, no-citizenship option.

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A handful of Senate Republicans, led by John McCain and Marco Rubio, is trying to move legislation that would respond to that clear expression of public opinion without also giving a legislative victory to President Obama. That is proving to be a difficult needle to thread. At some point, McCain and Rubio will probably have to decide which of those goals is more important.

And unfortunately, even if comprehensive immigration reform makes it through the Senate, the odds of passage through the GOP-run House look extremely low. That bill would have to go through the House Judiciary Committee, and in a new report by NPR, Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte of Virginia expressed strong opposition to citizenship.

“People have a pathway to citizenship right now,” Goodlatte told NPR. “It’s to abide by the immigration laws, and if they have a family relationship, if they have a job skill that allows them to do that, they can obtain citizenship.”

Goodlatte also made it clear that he would extract a price for merely agreeing to give those illegal immigrants legal work status, without the option of citizenship.

“You’re going to have to have a program that assures those farms and those processing plants that there will be workers,” he said. “Because if you give them legal status, they can work anywhere in the United States — they’re not going to necessarily work at the hardest, toughest, dirtiest jobs.”

That’s a pretty damning statement. According to Goodlatte, employers need a class of people with little or no legal option except to work at the “hardest, toughest, dirtiest jobs.” For now, that niche is served by illegal immigrants, but if they are given a path out of that predicament — if they are given permits that allow them to work legally wherever they can find employment — the nation would have to import a lot more “guest workers” to replace them in doing that dirty work.

That’s strikes a powerful chord for me. At one time in our history, we did have a class of people with no option but the hardest, dirtiest jobs, people who were trapped by law in that role. One hundred and fifty years ago, we fought a war to end that system. Then as now, there’s something fundamentally wrong with systematically wringing the sweat out of people while denying them the hope of bettering themselves.

One other quote in the story also should be noted:

“We use Mexicans in our work,” Ed Toomey, a building contractor in Goodlatte’s Virginia congressional district, told NPR, “and, you know, they’re fine people. But there has to be a law. They have to abide by the rules, like everybody else.”

Those rules of course include rules against the hiring of illegal immigrants.

– Jay Bookman

282 comments Add your comment

комиссар (Occupation)

February 21st, 2013
4:58 pm

“That’s a pretty damning statement. According to Goodlatte, employers need a class of people with little or no legal option except to work at the “hardest, toughest, dirtiest jobs.”

Well, the good man from Virginia evidently knows what he’s talking about. The South was built on cheap labor after all.

Sean

February 21st, 2013
5:00 pm

Good thing Republicans are sticking to their ideas.

josef

February 21st, 2013
5:06 pm

Goodlatte (what a name, I think I’d change mine to Cafeaulait) is only telling the truth.

комиссар (Occupation)

February 21st, 2013
5:06 pm

“But there has to be a law. They have to abide by the rules, like everybody else”

Abide by the law? Which law? The law of the government that flouts international law regularly with its pre-emptive actions abroad? Or the law of the guy who gets 30 months in the pen for being a whistleblower. The law of the Wall Street fraudsters who skate by, or that of Aaron Swartz? Funny how selective this “law” thing is when you look closely.

Where does this guy think he lives, the US of A of the rule of law prevails or something?

indigo

February 21st, 2013
5:10 pm

People from all over the world want to come to America. Unfortunately, we’re already overcrowded and our infrastructure is falling apart, just to name one of the myrad problems we can’t seem to find the money to fix. Millions of illegals here only makes this and many other of our problems worse.

If we give all these illegals a “pathway to citizenship”, look for millions more to come here illegally wanting the same thing. We just don’t have the resources for that.

josef

February 21st, 2013
5:11 pm

“One hundred and fifty years ago, we fought a war to end that system.”

No. We didn’t, We fought a war that ended that system.

But more seriously, what did we do right after that war? Went to a system of agricultural sharecriopping and industrial subservience stoked by a mass of illiterate and subservient working class imported for the purpose. Looks like we’ve made it at least to the 1880s…and who says there’s no progress…

Paul

February 21st, 2013
5:12 pm

“just 23 percent of Americans say they oppose giving illegal immigrants a pathway to citizenship. ”

Always gets me how nearly 100% of them end up on this blog….

” According to Goodlatte, employers need a class of people with little or no legal option except to work at the “hardest, toughest, dirtiest jobs.” For now, that niche is served by illegal immigrants”

Republicans have plenty of bullets, but aren’t they ever going to run out of feet to shoot them into?

комиссар (Occupation)

February 21st, 2013
5:15 pm

indigo: “just to name one of the myrad problems we can’t seem to find the money to fix .. If we give all these illegals a “pathway to citizenship”, look for millions more to come here illegally wanting the same thing. We just don’t have the resources for that.”

Such negativism and defeatism. Wait, don’t you call yourself a Reaganesque “morning in America” conservative? Why the long face?

josef

February 21st, 2013
5:16 pm

…we’re already overcrowded…”

No, we’re not.

” and our infrastructure is falling apart”

Yes, it is.

Many of those skills needed for infrastructural repair/reconstruction are already dominated by so-called illegals and immigrants. Folks that will put in a hard day’s work for a wage in a job “our” people wouldn’t touch…more immigrants will be needed to stoke that infrastructural upgrade and expansion.

Dunwoody Granny

February 21st, 2013
5:22 pm

Really, it’s the everyone-has-to-follow-rules, we’re-watching-your-behavior, mandatory-minimum obsession that’s the unloveliest part of the conservative agenda. And it’s often aimed at the wrong people!

too little time

February 21st, 2013
5:27 pm

That’s strikes a powerful chord for me. At one time in our history, we did have a class of people with no option but the hardest, dirtiest jobs, people who were trapped by law in that role.

…Except that illegal immigrants are not trapped by law in that role. They can always go home.

That pretty much invalidates everything else you said, Jay.

Jefferson

February 21st, 2013
5:28 pm

People are people, give em’ a SS# and a hearty welcome.

Brosephus™

February 21st, 2013
5:28 pm

People like this House member don’t know jack sh*t abou immigration law. How are you going to prevent something that’s already legal and in practice? We already have amnesty, and people with no legal status already have a pathway to citizenship. It’s called MARRY A CITIZEN. If they have a clean record, they pay a fine and get a green card as soon as their American spouse petitions for them to become a resident.

Why we’re still debating such sh*t shows how completely uninformed our “decision makers” really are, yet I bet this jackass easily wins re-election.

TM

February 21st, 2013
5:28 pm

with unemployment at 8% or 14% depending on who you believe apparently we want the illegals to do the grunt work and contribute to our tax base while the rest of us cash the govt checks.

josef

February 21st, 2013
5:28 pm

too little

Yeah, and the class Jay refers to could also have run away…

A Simple Man

February 21st, 2013
5:28 pm

Wow. Pretty good week of bashing the GOP. Nothing about unemployment, gas prices, Russia testing missiles and messing with Guam, economy, etc. Agenda?

MANGLER

February 21st, 2013
5:30 pm

Dear Republicans … when we kick all of ‘em back across whatever border, and all that’s left are fully legal ‘Mericans, you’re going to have to pay the workers in the fields and dirty jobs a whole lot more, or they just won’t get done. Georgia has already lost so many farmhands due to increased regulation and enforcement of documentation laws that the farms in the Southern half of the State are severely short handed. There are plenty of ‘Mericans in the cities that need work, but that connection isn’t happening. Why? “Those jobs” don’t pay enough for someone to legally want to move there.

Logical Dude

February 21st, 2013
5:30 pm

“You’re going to have to have a program that assures those farms and those processing plants that there will be workers,” he said

How about a livable wage?

ooops, did I say that out loud?

Joe Hussein Mama

February 21st, 2013
5:30 pm

t. l. Time — “…Except that illegal immigrants are not trapped by law in that role. They can always go home. ”

Uh huh. So we’re America, Land of the FO@D and the Home of the Door Slammed In Your Face, right?

“That pretty much invalidates everything else you said, Jay.”

Please, by all means, send a letter to the GOP and ask them to keep running with that ‘they’ll just self-deport’ rhetoric in 2014 and 2016. Please, please throw me in that briar patch, B’rer Fox. :D

Jay

February 21st, 2013
5:32 pm

No, “time,” it does not.

Those people were all but invited here, to work and live and raise families, through nonexistent border enforcement and nonexistent workplace enforcement. Many politicians who today are the loudest foes of immigration reform used to be the loudest advocates of lax enforcement. This whole “they broke the law” argument is hypocritical in the extreme.

Brosephus™

February 21st, 2013
5:35 pm

A Simple Man

Yet you click into this site, read, and respond. Pavlov Dog much?

BOHICA

February 21st, 2013
5:35 pm

Jay, I think what a lot of thinking Republican understand that we need imigration reform. I think that the Pres. knows this and is tempted to continue to outflank the Republian position (the presidents proposal supposedly has little border enforcement provisions) on this to extract further political gain. I think the President is willing to sacrifice genuine bipartisan reform in order to make the Republicans that support reform look bad. Divide and Conquer and further marginalize the Republicans rather than have reform.

td

February 21st, 2013
5:36 pm

Define what pathway to citizenship means in the poll? Does it mean what Rubio says and it is a 3 or 4 step process, paying fines, paying back taxes and still getting into the back of the line (after the border is totally shut down and the visa issue is resolved) or is it immediate amnesty and citizenship as many on the left wants?

josef

February 21st, 2013
5:36 pm

Let’s go ahead and get to the bottom line and be done with it…

Am A-ye-tli de-tsa-ya-da-ni-lv-ga!
Ka-na-gwo u-wo-ni-hi-s-di Tsa-la-gi!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_-mu6dW4praY/TKPGKLeRcPI/AAAAAAAAbdI/FbUkFzryTiY/s400/stop+the+illegals.jpg

Soothsayer

February 21st, 2013
5:37 pm

Brosephus™

February 21st, 2013
5:37 pm

Jay

I don’t think he remembers the conservatives whining when INS was raiding Georgia like the Ghost of Sherman.

RB from Gwinnett

February 21st, 2013
5:38 pm

As was stated, they already have a path to citizenship. This 23% garbage is merely a factor of how the questions were asked, which, of course, Jay never provides. Context matters.

So, what happens when the illegals who will do the work our “less fortunate” won’t do decide they’d rather have a cushy desk job with air conditioning and 5 weeks of vacation? Do you think the farmers will pay people more to pick crops and simply make less money, pay more and charge more, or will farmers in other parts of the world push them off the store shelves because their product will be less expensive (and thus force the farmer to file for bankruptcy).

How about the home builder? Think he’ll just make less money or will home prices go up accordingly and no longer be within reach of another layer of our society? You know, like they have in Europe.

josef

February 21st, 2013
5:41 pm

JAY

@ 5:42

Yep.

Paul

February 21st, 2013
5:41 pm

Like I said, nearly 100% of the 23% end up on Jay’s blog….

Jay, you gotta have a weird cosmic aura or something.

Jay

February 21st, 2013
5:42 pm

td, in both polls, respondents were asked whether they supported a path to citizenship, a path to citizenship plus stricter enforcement, or simply stricter enforcement with no path to citizenship.

Roughly a quarter chose stricter enforcement with no path to citizenship.

barking frog

February 21st, 2013
5:42 pm

Just give the Mexican and Canadian, undocumented and those awaiting entry,
work visas and leave the rest of the immigration laws in place. Is that so hard ?

Aquagirl

February 21st, 2013
5:42 pm

illegal immigrants are not trapped by law in that role. They can always go home.

And dodge bullets paid for by Americans. Frackin’ ingrates.

barking frog

February 21st, 2013
5:45 pm

josef
Is Ra El ?

JamVet

February 21st, 2013
5:47 pm

With Latino friends like Ann Coulter, Herman Cain, Mitt Romney and countless others in the xenophobic right wing, who needs enemies?!

But it is all good.

The suicidally anti-Hispanic Republicans have likely lost the Latino vote for at least a generation. Perhaps for much longer.

Which will have one major consequence.

Many more GOP defeats on election day…

комиссар (Occupation)

February 21st, 2013
5:49 pm

Jay, something tells me you’ll have been wasting your time with “time”.

“Those people were all but invited here, to work and live and raise families, through nonexistent border enforcement and nonexistent workplace enforcement”

Not to mention the neoliberal free trade bonanza that opened the floodgates of capital across the borders, utterly transforming conditions of life south of the border and leaving millions of workers in places like Mexico without a traditional source of livelihood and at the mercy of a tide of corporate competition, with little option but to head north for better work opportunities.

GT

February 21st, 2013
5:50 pm

Labor has been the hole in the tire of about every industry in the country. It would seem to me if you don’t want the labor here you go to the labor. Textiles left decades ago, manufacturing is leaving. What the US is finding is the Chinese who have cheap labor now just reach into our computers and grab the recipe to go with the product and cook it in their own country, with their own cooks. All these important self made man that did it all by yourselves, you are going to find out how much this country did to make you who you are as it disappears from you.

The one thing this country has is freedom and hope, for all citizens and a beacon for the tired, the poor, the masses. With the right’s vision which is kin to Ray Charles’ they can get their wish. No one is going to want to come here, the illegal immigrate will go with the dinosaur. When you become as mean and petty as the rest of the world and the jobs and the intellectual properties are in the rest of the world, our show is over. The right’s total strategy is the belief that the middle and left will stop them, like a person trying to get their way faking suicide. We can’t rescue this nation every quarter, like a mutating virus eventually the right will accidently get their way and then it is over for all of us. Just a bunch of old white guys in ghost towns, land too polluted to farm, water to dirty to drink, no jobs, what a vision.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 21st, 2013
5:50 pm

Soothsayer

February 21st, 2013
5:50 pm

Logical Dude

February 21st, 2013
5:51 pm

I think “pathway to citizenship” means they don’t have to fear for being deported just for existing without proper paperwork.
Also, less wasted money thrown at tracking down people who just want to work and live in the greatest country in the world.
Also, provide proper paperwork, so they can pay taxes and stuff – more revenue for the country!

Gee. a system that creates more revenue, saves money, and makes people happy. . . why is ANYONE against that?

That Black Guy

February 21st, 2013
5:51 pm

“We use Mexicans in our work,” Ed Toomey, a building contractor in Goodlatte’s Virginia congressional district, told NPR, “and, you know, they’re fine people. But there has to be a law. They have to abide by the rules, like everybody else.”

Those rules of course include rules against the hiring of illegal immigrants.
___________________________________________
Jay, he didn’t say he uses “illegal immigrants” in his work. he said “We use Mexicans in our work,” .

Are you saying that all Mexicans are *illegal immigrants”? Your last statement in response to Mr. Toomy suggests that.

Am I wrong?

detritusUSA

February 21st, 2013
5:53 pm

I’m a liberal in most instances, but I’m against immigration reform that doesn’t close the borders first. We cannot take in the population of the world just because we have a really good country to live in. The 1986 amnesty did nothing but invite the problem we now have, so we should learn from our mistake.

We have enough illegals from south of the border selling drugs and driving drunk and committing other crimes. For the sake of future generations, lets close the border first and then talk about a path to citizenship for the illegals.

Moderate Line

February 21st, 2013
5:54 pm

That’s strikes a powerful chord for me. At one time in our history, we did have a class of people with no option but the hardest, dirtiest jobs, people who were trapped by law in that role. One hundred and fifty years ago, we fought a war to end that system
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You are comparing people who came here involuntarily on ships where many of them died and the ancestors to people who are here voluntarily here. Also African-Americans if they tried to leave could be arrested and brought back or killed while unauthorized immigrants can go back when they want. I don’t see any comparison except in the case of those who came here as children.

There are over two million eligible people who can immigrate here legally under the family preferences category but we only allow 350,000 spaces available each year.
Sons and daughters of US citizens take six years
For brother and sisters of US citizens the wait is 12-15 years.

I believe if we are going to reform immigration for people who are not authorized to be here then we should also reform immigration for the people who are trying to get here properly. Also, who knows how many unauthorized immigrants fall into these categories. Perhaps it would be more generally accepted if this was done under a much broader reform which did not seem to be pandering to a particular group for votes.

http://www.litwinlaw.com/CM/Articles/How-Long-Immigrate.asp

Brosephus™

February 21st, 2013
5:56 pm

JHM

Stop that!!!!! You’re gonna make me wake the baby.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

In all seriousness, comments like that strike me as a Pavlovian reaction as opposed to actual thought. If Jay is really that predictable, why keep coming back and whining about it?

Logical Dude

February 21st, 2013
5:57 pm

detritusUSA: close the border first and then talk about a path to citizenship for the illegals

So, you’d like a police state before actually helping people? Because to “close the border” that’s basically what would need to be done.

I’d prefer a country that has particular freedoms, and if that risk is more people want to come here, then that’s a risk I’m willing to take. I’d rather them have paperwork and get taxed on their work, than to be paid substandard wages, live in substandard conditions, and hassled by employers, l’amigra, and xenophobes who stereotype them in the worst possible light.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 21st, 2013
5:58 pm

M. Line — “Perhaps it would be more generally accepted if this was done under a much broader reform which did not seem to be pandering to a particular group for votes.”

Exactly whose votes do you think are being pandered for?

TM

February 21st, 2013
5:58 pm

it appears we have a lot of jobs legals don’t want to do, just another reason to cut unemployment benefits

weetamoe

February 21st, 2013
6:00 pm

It is clear that you are no Bill Buckley, who, in an aside here, lived in Mexico as a child. Just wondering. What happened to Nikki, the *illegal* who worked for Meg Whitman for a number of years in CA without telling Whitman of her status? Jerry Brown, who was CA AG and running against Whitman for governor ferreted out the information and used it in the campaign. Did he ever enforce the law against Nikki? That is, did he do his job.He did benefit from her defiance of the law at the time, didn’t he?

Joe Hussein Mama

February 21st, 2013
6:03 pm

Brosephus — “In all seriousness, comments like that strike me as a Pavlovian reaction as opposed to actual thought. If Jay is really that predictable, why keep coming back and whining about it?”

We’re totally in agreement on that. I asked K71 earlier today why he keeps coming back here if he’s only going to be negative, hateful and insulting. He knows what kind of discussion he’s liable to get here, so knowing that, why does he bother to keep coming back.

And FYI from the right-wing nut-o-sphere, Free Republic has been down since at least last Sunday morning. And the regulars are starting to ask what the hell their donations are going toward since the whole shebang is run by two brothers who apparently just rent server space and don’t actually do any of the actual tech work themselves. I predict that the regular donors are going to want to do some sort of checkbook procto exam on Freep if and when it ever comes back up.

Discussion is, so far, polite on the Freep Facebook page. But it’s getting ug-lee on other righty sites. Just thought you’d like to know. ;)

I’m out; taking a long weekend. Seeya sometime next week.

Brosephus™

February 21st, 2013
6:03 pm

detritusUSA

You can’t physically close down open space without dramatically changing our society. Our borders are open by design because that’s how the business and money class wants it. For example, look at how just-in-time shipping has done away with warehousing costs. Multinational companies need easy crossing for their employees to move about.

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Moderate Line

That’s where I think reform should be targeted.

Moderate Line

February 21st, 2013
6:04 pm

I think where the right is the most out of line is on tax increases. The Pew research poll shows 76% of the people favor a combination of spending cuts and tax increases. 19% want spending cuts and 3% want tax increases.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/02/21/poll-pew-obama-gop-guns-energy-immigration-sequester/1934233/

JamVet

February 21st, 2013
6:04 pm

Secure the border?

How exactly?

With an electrified fence powerful enough to kill human beings and with armed guards instructed to shoot to kill, like that brave Civil Rights hero, Herman Cain suggested?

Until the GOP stops pandering to the many racists in their ranks, they are going to keep on marching down the road to extinction.

And though they don’t need any help, I’m willing to give them a road map…

Moderate Line

February 21st, 2013
6:04 pm

Brosephus™

February 21st, 2013
6:03 pm

detritusUSA

You can’t physically close down open space without dramatically changing our society. Our borders are open by design because that’s how the business and money class wants it. For example, look at how just-in-time shipping has done away with warehousing costs. Multinational companies need easy crossing for their employees to move about.
+++++++++
Good point.

josef

February 21st, 2013
6:05 pm

FROG

As Unmentionable says, just sit tight for a 175 or so years, and it won’t be an issue anymore, will it?

GT

February 21st, 2013
6:05 pm

detritusUSA you are seeing nothing but what you are told and that is always negative. I can promise you not every immigrate is a drug dealer, and no one is inviting that into the country anyway. A huge amount of these people are church going Catholics who believe in marriage and family.

My thought is we trade some of our citizens we have now for some of theirs. We could start with Newt and his trail of wives, the problem is the other countries wouldn’t want the problems their immoral souls would bring. We are the lucky ones we are getting fresh blood that still believes in values we have loss as a nation. The reason they are drug dealers is this country buys drugs, users everywhere. If we weren’t using they wouldn’t have a market.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 21st, 2013
6:06 pm

weetamoe — “Did he ever enforce the law against Nikki? That is, did he do his job.He did benefit from her defiance of the law at the time, didn’t he?”

Just FYI, immigration enforcement is a Federal matter, not a state one. Therefore, immigration offenses aren’t for a state AG to prosecute (setting aside the matter that the vast majority of immigration offenses aren’t even criminal in nature).

Orange13

February 21st, 2013
6:06 pm

Jay, Sure legalize them all and then ramp up that enforcement. You remember, just like the Gov did for the 1986 amnesty. That worked out well didn’t it. It’s going to be the same old song and dance this time also.

Moderate Line

February 21st, 2013
6:07 pm

Moderate Line

February 21st, 2013
6:04 pm

Brosephus™

February 21st, 2013
6:03 pm

detritusUSA

You can’t physically close down open space without dramatically changing our society. Our borders are open by design because that’s how the business and money class wants it. For example, look at how just-in-time shipping has done away with warehousing costs. Multinational companies need easy crossing for their employees to move about.
+++++
Borders are the same as regulations. The impede business transaction. Also, business doesn’t care about where your from as long as they can make a buck off of you.

barking frog

February 21st, 2013
6:07 pm

josef
Tzipi is Justice Minister if the coalition is formed.

Brosephus™

February 21st, 2013
6:09 pm

Enjoy JHM!! Didn’t know that about Freep since it’s been a minute since I last perused that site.

Look before I leap...

February 21st, 2013
6:09 pm

“We have enough illegals from south of the border selling drugs and driving drunk and committing other crimes.”

Got quite a few citizens doing exactly the same thing–what’s your point?

josef

February 21st, 2013
6:09 pm

Moderate

Oh, we’ve just cleaned it up a bit, thass all…progress, doncha know…

JamVet

February 21st, 2013
6:11 pm

The GOP risks being relegated to being a minority party for years if it fails to find a way to make the connection with Latino voters… ~Mel Martinez

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzE227yE1hk

josef

February 21st, 2013
6:13 pm

FROG

Haven’t seen anything yet on the proposed portfolios…who’s up for Foreign Minister and Defense Minister?

Aquagirl

February 21st, 2013
6:13 pm

it appears we have a lot of jobs legals don’t want to do

I can’t imagine anyone passing up the opportunity to drive out to the boonies and dig onions for 38 cents a bucket a few weeks out of the year. Why let a family, regular job, or other humdrum incidentals stop you from this moneymaking opportunity?

Brosephus™

February 21st, 2013
6:13 pm

Moderate @ 6:07

Couldn’t have stated that any better. That’s why companies are profiting and the stocks are rising. They don’t care where the profit comes from as long as it’s coming.

barking frog

February 21st, 2013
6:17 pm

josef
the article I read didn’t say, only that Tzipi and her
party would join the coalition with her as justice minister
and hoped that would help other parties to join.

Rabbit

February 21st, 2013
6:19 pm

23% is not enough to establish a majority party. The south may be left behind, but the Republican party will change. It may not be in 2014, even in 2016, but it will change.

JamVet

February 21st, 2013
6:20 pm

The Democrats have hardly been a Latino friendly bunch themselves, but once again, as on a wide array of issues, the GOP is SO abysmal that the Dems win by default.

Well take heart, Republicans. Thanks to Reagan and his death squads, at least there are a whole lot less Central Americans to sneak in…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7vCww3j2-w

josef

February 21st, 2013
6:21 pm

FROG

Not a bad deal she’d be getting…not enough blat’ for Foreign Minister.

I strongly suspect, though, that once Bibi and Barack take out Iran, this government will fall and new elections wll be called.

Orange13

February 21st, 2013
6:23 pm

Look,
“Got quite a few citizens doing exactly the same thing–what’s your point?”
You are correct. Here’s an example to prove your point.
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/cops-athens-man-stopped-with-300k-in-cocaine/nWWcM/

Dave

February 21st, 2013
6:27 pm

Oh wow. I read the headline and planned to say something along the lines of guest workers are fine, why grant illegals citizenship as long as we treat them okay, blah, blah. And then I read what the good GOP folks had to say. I was just that close to agreeing with a Republican position and they were stupid enough to pull back the curtain.

josef

February 21st, 2013
6:28 pm

ORANGE

Where does that link mention his citizenship, land of birth, immigration status or what have you?

His name is Saul Silva…he may been one of them Jewboys from that South Carolina family that’s been here since the 1680s…

td

February 21st, 2013
6:30 pm

If you read these polls closely then there are 25% mostly progressives that want open boarders and make everyone that comes here a citizens with no consequences and then you have 25% far right conservatives that say ship them all back and shut down the boarder. 47% are somewhere in between those two points of view.

IMHO, there is just as much risk for the left as the right on this issue because I do not think a large majority of those 47% are willing to look kindly on continued open borders and no penalties for the illegals that have come.

Orange13

February 21st, 2013
6:32 pm

Josef,

Did I say he wasn’t an American citizen? All I was pointing out is Look’s making his argument that American citizens are doing the same thing as some illegal aliens.

F. Sinkwich

February 21st, 2013
6:33 pm

“Rep. Phil Gingrey (R-Ga.) is planning to run for the Georgia Senate seat being vacated by Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R), senior GOP strategists in the state told The Hill. “I´ve just talked to two people that told me Phil Gingrey is actually calling them telling them he´s going to run and his staff is telling people he´ll probably make his announcement sometime next week,” said Tom Perdue, a top Georgia Republican strategist who is close to Chambliss.”

What’s the Dem smear on this guy?

Jerry Eads

February 21st, 2013
6:33 pm

We have met the enemy and he is us – Pogo via Walt Kelly. We elect these trolls at odds with our wishes. How do we do that?

josef

February 21st, 2013
6:35 pm

ORANGE

Same question. Where does it say he was a citizen?

But,,,as Unmnetionable says, he is ciminally swarthy… :-)

Bernie

February 21st, 2013
6:38 pm

The Stupid Party still have there Heads in very Dark places. The Kool-aid is stil being passed around and they are loving it. Wit until the 2014 midterms and watch their UGLY faces turn all sour as if they have been sucking on LEMON. Wondering what happened?

The Burial of The Republican Party will be just after the Midturn elections. All are welcome…the dress will be casual attire. Come as you are!

TM

February 21st, 2013
6:40 pm

According to Obama we are about to lay off 800.00 from the DOD, these people need jobs so let get rid of those who are here illegally taking thes jobs

josef

February 21st, 2013
6:40 pm

ORANGE

“Pearl police spokesman Butch Townsend said Silva was traveling on I-20 east of Jacksonville ”

Of course, given the AJC’s manifest command of geography, who knows… :-)

barking frog

February 21st, 2013
6:41 pm

josef
a distinct possibility….

Doggone/GA

February 21st, 2013
6:41 pm

“According to Obama we are about to lay off 800.00 from the DOD, these people need jobs so let get rid of those who are here illegally taking thes jobs”

The report *I* heard said furlough, not lay off. To the tune of 1 day a week for 22 weeks at the last report I heard.

Doggone/GA

February 21st, 2013
6:43 pm

“Of course, given the AJC’s manifest command of geography, who knows…”

Well, there IS a Jacksonville, GA that is a bit north of I20, and I20 does continue east past that point.

josef

February 21st, 2013
6:46 pm

DOGGONE

Yeah. Furlough’s. The new gotcha!

In the middle

February 21st, 2013
6:46 pm

I want to be an illegal.

getalife

February 21st, 2013
6:47 pm

That mccain town hall represented the 23 % pretty well.

Not no but hell no.

Look before I leap...

February 21st, 2013
6:47 pm

Not sure what Orange was intimating.

Might be he thinks the boy looks Mexican

Silva is Portuguese
Camacho is Spanish

Saul is Hebrew and means “asked for”

bman.

February 21st, 2013
6:47 pm

“The report *I* heard said furlough, not lay off. To the tune of 1 day a week for 22 weeks at the last report I heard”

In many cases, this is probably a good idea.

Doggone/GA

February 21st, 2013
6:48 pm

“Yeah. Furlough’s. The new gotcha!”

Slow motion layoff?

Doggone/GA

February 21st, 2013
6:49 pm

“I want to be an illegal.”

Easy. Renounce your citizenship and then don’t leave

indigo

February 21st, 2013
6:49 pm

Occupation – 5:15 “don’t you call yourself a…conservative)

No, I don’t.

I am a Democratic centrist.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

February 21st, 2013
6:49 pm

“People have to stop employing illegal immigrants.”

Hillary Clinton

Well, there you go. Problem solved.

barking frog

February 21st, 2013
6:50 pm

in the middle
I want to be an illegal
………………………………………….
many are called, few are chosen…

Doggone/GA

February 21st, 2013
6:51 pm

“In many cases, this is probably a good idea.”

From the point of view of the work to be done, yes it is. Better than leaving the office empty. And I guess, in a bad situation, it’s better than being outright laid off…but it’s a significant cut in pay and a lot of people might be in danger of losing their homes…if their mortgage companies decide to be hard-nosed about things.

Mr_B

February 21st, 2013
6:51 pm

“What’s the Dem smear on this guy?”

Gingrey doesn’t need smearing. He does that to himself by talking.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

February 21st, 2013
6:51 pm

P.S.

What does this have to do with MARTA or charter schools in Georgia ???

In the middle

February 21st, 2013
6:51 pm

Doggone/GA – Sounds like a plan.. ..

Look before I leap...

February 21st, 2013
6:52 pm

“Well, there IS a Jacksonville, GA that is a bit north of I20, and I20 does continue east past that point.”

The guy is in Rankin county jail – Part of Jackson, MS is in Rankin Cty.

But I had the same thought when I read to article – Jacksonville is in FL and I-10, not I-20.

BMW SUV – hmmm Running coke must pay well. Either that or the kid’s boss is out a buncha blow AND an expensive car.

Doggone/GA

February 21st, 2013
6:52 pm

“Doggone/GA – Sounds like a plan.. ”

Don’t forget to let us know how it works out.

indigo

February 21st, 2013
6:53 pm

joseph – 5:16

Yes, we ARE overcrowded.

And no, those illegals with “skills needed for infrastructural repair” are, for the most part, not doing that kind of work.

And, yes legal Americans would do that “hard day’s work” if paid a proper wage.