Within the GOP, ‘battle lines are being drawn’


“Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you’re always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away.”

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From conservative columnist Kathleen Parker, a cry for a RINO uprising:

“Indeed, as the base seeks El Savior, isn’t it time for a RINO Rebellion?

Take a cue from the tea party, RINOs. Embrace your alienation. Slap a bumper sticker on your angst and rally that dispassion. Witness how bloggers turned others’ insults into a movement. What were random basement bloggers in terrycloth bathrobes and Uggs are now the respected and influential Pajamas Media, a.k.a. PJ Media.

Own your insult, in other words. Why should RINOs hang their heads in shame and be relegated to the fringes of their party? The party is the fringe. Isn’t it time to reclaim the salt lick? RINOs need to be defiantly proud, aggressively centrist and unapologetically sane.

… RINOs need to stop being so normal and grant their better angels a sabbatical. Forget taking back the country. Start by taking back your party. Do it for your country.

RINOs: The Strong. The Proud. The Many.”

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From former GOP congressman Joe Scarborough, a plea to fellow Republicans to flee the nice, cozy bubble and experience “Reality World”:

“… it was the Conservative Entertainment Complex that led Republican thought leaders, grass-roots activists and even the presidential candidate himself into believing that a GOP victory was imminent on Election Day. The Romney team was so isolated deep inside this conservative media bubble that they continued to believe victory was theirs well into the evening.

That embarrassing political tale proved that conservatives had finally become what they had once mocked: an insular movement so lost in its own echo chamber that it rarely made contact with those who didn’t share their world view.

… Conservatives should celebrate the gains they have made in the media world over the past two decades. But their greatest challenge moving forward is to begin breaking down the walls they have built that keeps them locked inside a comfort zone that distorts political reality and cedes great advantages to Democratic candidates. What conservatives must do instead is dare to think different, apply eternal truths to current realities and then start spreading their gospel of conservatism to the swing voters who have rejected them in five of six presidential races.”

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From Ramesh Ponnuru, longtime conservative intellectual and visiting fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, a reminder that it ain’t 1980 anymore and M*A*S*H ain’t the number one hit on TV:

Today’s Republicans are very good at tending the fire of Ronald Reagan’s memory but not nearly as good at learning from his successes. They slavishly adhere to the economic program that Reagan developed to meet the challenges of the late 1970s and early 1980s, ignoring the fact that he largely overcame those challenges, and now we have new ones. It’s because Republicans have not moved on from that time that Senators Marco Rubio and Rand Paul, in their responses to the State of the Union address last week, offered so few new ideas….

In his first Inaugural Address, Reagan famously said that “government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.” The less famous yet crucial beginning of that sentence was “in our present crisis.” The question is whether conservatism revives by attending to today’s conditions, or becomes something withered and dead. “

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John Podhoretz, in the conservative New York Post, on those in the GOP who value purity over success:

It is true that the Old Establishment has much to answer for.

It has become encrusted with parasitic barnacles. There are policy wonks who last had something interesting to say during the Ford administration.

There is a profiteering consultant class that makes out like bandits whether the GOP wins or loses and now is actively stifling innovation of the sort that the Obamans deployed so brilliantly in 2008 and 2012.

Still, there is something bizarre about the notion that Republicans are acting illegitimately if they try to take a role in internal Republican politics.

The key difference right now is that the Old Establishment is obsessed with expanding the number of voters who’ll pull the lever for Republicans — while the New Establishment is so consumed with putting an Oedipal stake in the heart of the Old Guys that it seems actually to prefer a smaller GOP.

Which is nuts.”

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I just thought you should know that it’s not just me saying it.

– Jay Bookman

364 comments Add your comment

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 20th, 2013
8:35 am

And $10000 to the one who figures out the game plan for the tea party to take over the GOP…. :D :lol:

Fred ™

February 20th, 2013
8:36 am

Parker isn’t a REAL conservative…….

How can the GOP be defined?

February 20th, 2013
8:37 am

Will the “real” GOP voters please raise your hands?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 20th, 2013
8:37 am

There will be more people wrestling and fighting in the GOP than some posters can boast that they can beat up in a blog lifetime.

Cutty

February 20th, 2013
8:37 am

Cons, just keep doing what you’re doing!

Keyser Soze

February 20th, 2013
8:40 am

Gas prices up $0.51 in the last two months. Bush and Cheney must be stopped! All they are doing is greasing the pockets of their oil buddies.

Granny Godzilla

February 20th, 2013
8:42 am

Can’t we spray them all with PAM
and let them wrestle greco-roman style for control of the party?

Now that’s reality TV.

Who is Mitt Romney?

February 20th, 2013
8:42 am

Butch Cassidy (I)

February 20th, 2013
8:43 am

Damn! So glad I moved away from the Republican party when I did. These guys are either going to implode or start acting like the Lord of the Flies.

Fred ™

February 20th, 2013
8:44 am

Wowzer, this chick really lays it out. I may have to read her more often:

We fetishize politics and political display in this country, or at least the media do. But The Normals really are not so interested in politics as guerrilla theater as programmers, consultants and spinners seem to think they are. Most would like the country to rock along without drama — operating within a reasonable budget, with respect for privacy and the rule of law, compassion for the disadvantaged and an abundance of concern for national security, including border control but not necessarily drone attacks on citizens.

All we hear over here is the nutcase Republicans. Like the guy who posted that crap at 8:40 and THOUGHT (or what passes for thinking among his ilk) he was making a clever cutting comment.

BlahBlahBlah

February 20th, 2013
8:44 am

It’s no big deal if the GOP implodes. Democrats have all the answers.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 20th, 2013
8:45 am

Looks like Itchy = Christian Conservative = namejacker and now = Keyser?

But back on topic:

Newt Gingrich is not pleased with Karl Rove’s latest strategy for the Republican Party.

In an op-ed published by conservative magazine Human Events on Wednesday, the former House speaker and Republican presidential candidate spoke out against the Rove-backed Conservative Victory Project, an offshoot of Rove’s American Crossroads super PAC that aims to block fringe candidates from winning GOP congressional primaries.

“I am unalterably opposed to a bunch of billionaires financing a boss to pick candidates in 50 states,” Gingrich writes. “This is the opposite of the Republican tradition of freedom and grassroots small town conservatism. … It should be repugnant to every conservative and every Republican.”

Granny Godzilla

February 20th, 2013
8:45 am

Ya’ know if I hadn’t been getting 35mpg since before gas hit 2 bucks I might have more sympathy for
those who have to spend so much on fossil fuel.

AH, personal responsibilty feels so good.

Butch Cassidy (I)

February 20th, 2013
8:46 am

Keyser Soze – “Gas prices up $0.51 in the last two months. Bush and Cheney must be stopped! All they are doing is greasing the pockets of their oil buddies.”

Translation: My party is crumbling before my eyes, so I must defer to a BS off topic subject in an attempt to pound on the Obama administration.

Aquagirl

February 20th, 2013
8:47 am

Pics of John McCain defending proposed immigration plan in front of angry crowd:

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/u-sen-john-mccain-r-ariz-speaks-during-photo-014442443.html

If Republicans want more than the older white angry demographic, they better grow a pair and tell those people they’re not the center of the universe.

F. Sinkwich

February 20th, 2013
8:49 am

Time to raise the white flag!

Oh wait, how many states are controlled by conservatives now?

Never mind.

Soothsayer

February 20th, 2013
8:50 am

Third Party. It will save you RepugNOwecan’ts. Do it now.

You can have the way-out wacko goose-stepping Tea Party.

And just the plain old Rich Old White Guys Party.

It sounds like a real plan to me. Go with it!

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 20th, 2013
8:50 am

Well, these RINOs better learn we had a Redneck Revolution in the GOP about three decades ago. Start a war against us and we’ll throw out the ultimate insult: RINO. We’ll squash you quicker than a Bookman red card on Fred™.

Have a good Hump Day everybody.

Steve

February 20th, 2013
8:51 am

I’m curious as to why we haven’t moved to a 4+ party system. We could have: progressive, Democratic, Republican and Tea Party. Divide it up into four and things would really be interesting. It would mean twice the candidates to deal with, but it certainly would open things up to more viewpoints.

Butch Cassidy (I)

February 20th, 2013
8:51 am

F.Sinkwich – “Oh wait, how many states are controlled by conservatives now?”

A better question would be how many conservative controlled states went to Obama in the last election.

Granny Godzilla

February 20th, 2013
8:53 am

F. Sinkwich

February 20th, 2013
8:49 am

Time to raise the white flag!

Oh wait, how many states are controlled by conservatives now?

Never mind.
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You miss the point sir.

How many of those states have TP Governors and how many are RINOS?

Nathan Deal…RINO or TP?

Chris Christie…RINO or TP

Rick Perry ….RINO or TP?

ad nauseum

Jay

February 20th, 2013
8:54 am

Southpaw, basically:

Do not attack other bloggers personally;
Do not post under another blogger’s handle;
Do not interact with any other blog personas that you may have created.

That’s basically it.

Morality?

February 20th, 2013
8:54 am

The Fed gub’ment involves itself in state of Georgia business again – we should have one less citizen on the rolls in Georgia today with execution of that murdering thug faking to be “mentally retarded”.. He was an officer in the Navy now he’s all of a sudden mentally retarded?

In the middle

February 20th, 2013
8:54 am

The issues in the republican party must be dealt with, and soon. I agree that the issues facing this nation today are quite differant than the issues of the 80’s. Society as a whole has shifted substantially since that time. I think it would do everybody good for the republicans to really focus on a more centrist view and abandon the extremists. I would not say it is tea party issue, because that is more a movement than a party. But like many movements it has been hijacked by a more extreme element within the group.

The shifting tides will always cause a change in the power structure in Washington. The dem’s will be facing the same challenges in the future that the republicans are facing today if the continue to drift further to the left.

USinUK - former Girl Scout

February 20th, 2013
8:55 am

“Translation: My party is crumbling before my eyes, so I must defer to a BS off topic subject in an attempt to pound on the Obama administration … which has sweet fanny adams to do with the subject of my whine”

there ya go – finished yonder thought :-)

Soothsayer

February 20th, 2013
8:55 am

Ya’ know if I hadn’t been getting 35mpg since before gas hit 2 bucks I might have more sympathy for those who have to spend so much on fossil fuel.”

Love it, Granny! For those driving monster behemoths, I’m afraid it’s going to get more painful and soon. Can you hear me, Fish Sandwich?

Keyser Soze

February 20th, 2013
8:55 am

Granny – I get 30MPG. So what?

F. Sinkwich

February 20th, 2013
8:55 am

Nazi reference already!

Kewl.

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 20th, 2013
8:55 am

A violent war-mongering Progressive is a progressive , no matter if they be an Obama-Bot or Neo-con.
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The mojrity of the Decent Peace-loving Americans are turning their backs on them and the morally bankrupt progressive/statist ideaology., especially the youth.
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And that’s a good thing.

Fred ™

February 20th, 2013
8:56 am

Granny Godzilla

February 20th, 2013
8:45 am

Ya’ know if I hadn’t been getting 35mpg since before gas hit 2 bucks I might have more sympathy for
those who have to spend so much on fossil fuel.

AH, personal responsibilty feels so good.
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Can you haul all the tools needed to equip 2 crews and enough materials to build a deck along with 4 guys with that 35 MPG vehicle? Can you haul a backhoe from one jobsite to the other with it?

Not all personal responsibility is equal.

southpaw

February 20th, 2013
8:57 am

Thanks for the answers, Jay, and for bothering to look downstairs. I can run with these.

Jay

February 20th, 2013
8:57 am

Morality, a petty officer is not a Navy officer. It is an enlisted man’s rank.

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

February 20th, 2013
8:59 am

Butch Cassidy (I)

February 20th, 2013
8:46 am

:lol:

barking frog

February 20th, 2013
8:59 am

A lot of old white guys have walked away from the fray and
more will follow.

Fred ™

February 20th, 2013
8:59 am

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 20th, 2013
8:55 am

A violent war-mongering Progressive is a progressive , no matter if they be an Obama-Bot or Neo-con.
.
The mojrity of the Decent Peace-loving Americans are turning their backs on them and the morally bankrupt progressive/statist ideaology., especially the youth.
.
And that’s a good thing.
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What did he say? Oh, nothing. That’s what I thought.

Isn’t it too early for strong drink?

GT

February 20th, 2013
8:59 am

It is the same group that almost destroyed the Democrat Party of the late 60s that is giving this GOP heartburn in the 21st century. You have a section of the country that is country, has to have guns, has to hate, thinks education is a communist plot, and has obesity so bad they can’t take a full family picture, yet defies a national health program they will probably bankrupt anyway. Yet they want to lead. They do it with angry and in the Republican belief that you never say bad things about another Republican. These people are ungovernable but viewed once by both parties as cheap votes since they don’t check facts just hear trigger phases that make their decisions.

The loophole of our democracy is thinly populated states have as much voice as heavily populated states in the Senate and these state governments can control the members of congress. These states are thinly populated for a reason and it is not because of their successful track records. Yet in the GOP these are the leaders of their party. Dirty money is the only reason this party has lasted this long.

Granny Godzilla

February 20th, 2013
9:01 am

Keyser Soze

February 20th, 2013
8:55 am

Granny – I get 30MPG. So what?
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So for that I thank you!

F. Sinkwich

February 20th, 2013
9:01 am

RINOs in that group? Sure, Granny, but at least they’re not raving euro-socialist pinkos like O’bozo and the Dems.

Mike

February 20th, 2013
9:02 am

Joe Scarborough nailed it. The GOP is lost at this point. It’s too bad really. Our country is much better off if both parties are strong and viable. The current GOP is neither and is continuing blindly down that same old path. The sad thing is, they can’t see it.
It will take 10-15 years for them to quit babbling the same old BS and get it together.

Granny Godzilla

February 20th, 2013
9:03 am

Fred ™

February 20th, 2013
8:56 am

Granny Godzilla

February 20th, 2013
8:45 am

Ya’ know if I hadn’t been getting 35mpg since before gas hit 2 bucks I might have more sympathy for
those who have to spend so much on fossil fuel.

AH, personal responsibilty feels so good.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Can you haul all the tools needed to equip 2 crews and enough materials to build a deck along with 4 guys with that 35 MPG vehicle? Can you haul a backhoe from one jobsite to the other with it?

Not all personal responsibility is equal.
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You are correct.

We also keep “Startruck Enterprise” in reserve for the big jobs.

The right tools for the right job.

barking frog

February 20th, 2013
9:04 am

I have known a couple of petty officers that were not enlisted men.

Steve

February 20th, 2013
9:05 am

But let’s be clear – even the GOP is in disarray and free-fall, leave it to the Democrats to find a way to screw things up and not take advantage of this situation to become stronger.

DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda

February 20th, 2013
9:06 am

Most would like the country to rock along without drama — operating within a reasonable budget, with respect for privacy and the rule of law, compassion for the disadvantaged and an abundance of concern for national security, including border control but not necessarily drone attacks on citizens.

Sounds sane enough — any takers on if they (republicans) will actually listen or if they’ll just carry on like before? I’m giving great odds!

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AqGirl: If Republicans want more than the older white angry demographic, they better grow a pair and tell those people they’re not the center of the universe.

HA! Good luck with that!

Granny Godzilla

February 20th, 2013
9:06 am

F. Sinkwich

February 20th, 2013
9:01 am

RINOs in that group? Sure, Granny, but at least they’re not raving euro-socialist pinkos like O’bozo and the Dems.
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.Thank heavens for that, right big fella?

Can’t be having commie pinkos mix with racists and misogynists…..

Oh the humanity!

snicker

GT

February 20th, 2013
9:06 am

F. Sinkwich any progressive thinking in your book is socialism? You could use some thinking in your party, the party of no, one trick ponies. The reason you people keep losing your elections is you are out IQed. What I love about it is he is black too! Must kill you people…

Cherokee

February 20th, 2013
9:07 am

Morality, two comments.

First, what in the world does your comment have to do with the topic at hand.

Secondly, why do people who brag of their own morality always seem so anxious to bring death on others? Lock him away to protect the rest of us, sure, but why kill him? Absolutely nothing would be accomplished by that, other than sating your own bloodlust.

F. Sinkwich

February 20th, 2013
9:07 am

“For those driving monster behemoths, I’m afraid it’s going to get more painful and soon. Can you hear me, Fish Sandwich?”

I hear you, Sooth. Dropped a Benjamin in the tank of the family truckster last Saturday in fact. You may revel in my pain at the pump but the entire country is suffering because of high prices for many goods resulting from O’bozo’s war on fossil fuels. Cheap energy fuels prosperity.

Fred ™

February 20th, 2013
9:07 am

Ahhhh. Gotcha Granny. I thought you were being universal. I should have know better. My apologies. Here is the next car we are getting as soon as I can scrape up some duckies…….

http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayPage.action?pageParameter=modelsMain&vehicleCode=M3S

Car and driver says it gets a legitimate 40 MPG at highway speeds (65-70) in real world conditions, not just on a carefully monitored track. Alas, I’m still a little short for it.

комиссар (Occupation)

February 20th, 2013
9:07 am

Ok, I get it, Jay, your beat is examining the foibles and shortcomings of the Republican party.

But why do you never bring that party’s troubles back into a larger analysis of the crisis of the two-party system in the United States?

Let me guess: you don’t see any such crisis, but only see an increasing extremism in just one party, in isolation from the rest of the political system.

Paul

February 20th, 2013
9:09 am

“I just thought you should know that it’s not just me saying it.”

Jay’s been like the relative watching the older couple who just had their first child. They oohed and aahed over it, let it do whatever it wanted, called all its antics ‘cute’ and pretty much abdicated their responsibilities. The relatives could see what was going on, and after a while began dropping ever-stronger hints to the parents that maybe it was time they reclaimed their role and reigned in their spoiled, self-centered, arrogant child.

Finally, the parents woke up.

Which leads to Season 2 of the Republican reality show -

Jay

February 20th, 2013
9:09 am

Any conservatives out there willing to take on the actual content of the opinions posted here?

Is there a bubble problem? Is it foolish to make such a fetish of RINO hunting? Is the GOP’s policy agenda in bad need of an update?

Cherokee

February 20th, 2013
9:11 am

‘war on fossil fuels’

i wondered how long it would take for that old rotten fixh to get tossed out.

There is no war on fossil fuels. More drilling, more production, all under this administration.

What there is, is economic recovery, resulting in more demand. Thus, higher prices.

Amazing that cons know so little about basic economics.

Fred ™

February 20th, 2013
9:11 am

Cherokee: To add to your 9:07, what Mr. Davis is on death row for is killing an inmate who tried to rape him………….. I can’t say I blame him. Yeah keep him locked up, and in solitary if needed, but death? I dunno. I’m all for the death penalty when needed, but I don’t see it here.

Cosby

February 20th, 2013
9:11 am

Yawn…drooling over a demise of the GOP and then the King will be able to “Rule” freely. Utopia will be among us…all will live in Country Club Estates, all will drive Luxery Cars, all will retire with luxious lifestyles, all education will be free, infact we will no longer need to take care of our young, the King will see to it, there will no longer be rich or poor..we will all live the same…but wait, where oh where will the money come from?

Sad so sad

F. Sinkwich

February 20th, 2013
9:12 am

I said euro-socialism, GT. Please try to focus.

Doggone/GA

February 20th, 2013
9:13 am

“I’m curious as to why we haven’t moved to a 4+ party system”

Here’s a couple of things to ponder on that: someone said “In a 2 party system compromises are made before an election. In a multi-party system, compromises are made after an election”

Either way, compromises are made.

And when it comes time to vote, no matter how many parties there are, there are ultimately on 2 parties: those who vote YES, and those who note NO

barking frog

February 20th, 2013
9:14 am

The Republican RINO Reality show could be titled
“The Life and Times of Roger Ailes”.

Paul

February 20th, 2013
9:14 am

DDR

“HA! Good luck with that!”

In one of those town halls, an angry constituent accused Congress and McCain of not doing their jobs by not building a fence. McCain looked at him and said “did you miss these slides I just showed? What’s this? It’s not a fence? Oh, it’s a banana. That’s right, we just spent $600 million on a banana.”

Another group told him we need to deport all the illegals. He said we’re not gonna do that because we’re a nation that abides by Judeo-Christian principles. The hypocrites in the audience went ballistic at that one.

Fits in with the topic. Some of the old guard Republicans are finally telling the nutters, “You’re nuts!”

Granny Godzilla

February 20th, 2013
9:14 am

Cosby

When that times come you could be my major-domo!

JohnnyReb

February 20th, 2013
9:15 am

Another opportunity for Moonbats to disparage Conservatives and give advice on being more like themselves. Whoopeee!

One of two things will happen. Repubs will get their act together and win. Or, what the Libs are building will collapse as it always has.

Brosephus™

February 20th, 2013
9:15 am

The shifting tides will always cause a change in the power structure in Washington. The dem’s will be facing the same challenges in the future that the republicans are facing today if the continue to drift further to the left.

The problem with that idea is that the Dems are not shifting to the left nowhere near the speed and ferocity that the right is shifting to the right. The GOP will have to knock the Dems out of the center more than anything else, and that’s not happening as long as the magic rightward carpet ride is in effect.

GT

February 20th, 2013
9:16 am

When I talk to the Republicans, you have to in this part of the country, isolation is not an option, and they are convinced they are not getting their message out correctly. It is not the message itself, they believe it is the method. Amazing how dense this is. You in the Republican Presidential debate insult about everything and everybody in this country through grit teeth and a mob in the audience and you think if you tone that down a little people will like you as the bigots that you are.

I think there is a price for the middle of your party allowing you the grazing rights of their party. I don’t think you spit in the faces of American families struggling to make it in this country and then tell them you didn’t mean it. You are the party of the mentally ill; you can’t cure your problems by just declaring yourself well. It won’t sell, you have to go for the treatment and let us see it has taken. There is a price to pay for this, and I am sorry is not enough.

Aquagirl

February 20th, 2013
9:16 am

I’m all for the death penalty when needed, but I don’t see it here.

I felt the same way when I read the story. It sounds like he didn’t assault the prison guards when they intervened, if that was the case I’d be doing my usual un-lib like whoo-hoos.

Doggone/GA

February 20th, 2013
9:16 am

GT – There is NO “Democrat Party”

Fred ™

February 20th, 2013
9:16 am

Occupation: I don’t know if Jay has addressed what you ask in a column, but he has made comments in the blog. As have I and several others.

I’m mad at the Republicans because with their current stupidity they leave us vulnerable to unchecked liberalism. Thankfully the left hasn’t seized the moment yet, but leave it there long enough and they will eventually see it. We NEED a strong SANE Republican party to balance out the left and right now all we have is the kook party that is so far out of balance and touch with reality it can’t even keep itself in check.

To use an analogy, when you have a sucking chest wound, you treat it before you worry about your broken toe. Right now the Republicans are the sucking chest wound and the Democrats are the broken toe.

F. Sinkwich

February 20th, 2013
9:18 am

“Is the GOP’s policy agenda in bad need of an update?”

You mean like embrace higher taxes, amnesty, Obamacare, gun grabbing, weak defense, bigger welfare state and such?

Nope.

YouLibs

February 20th, 2013
9:19 am

Cherokee

The two main reasons for the recent price jump are:

a. the annual conversion from winter blend to summer blend…

b. recovery from the price slump that occurred at the end of last year when refinery capacity increased just as seasonal demand was ending.

Domestic oil production is at a seventeen-year high.

Paul

February 20th, 2013
9:19 am

” Is the GOP’s policy agenda in bad need of an update?”

Chuck Todd this morning noted how a few years back (regarding immigration) Republicans could get away with killing their own party president’s immigration plan because: 71%.

That was the level of Hispanic support for Republicans.

Now, it’s not and according to Todd, Republicans are willing to take the steps necessary to gain Hispanic support.

Butch Cassidy (I)

February 20th, 2013
9:19 am

F. Sinkwich – “at least they’re not raving euro-socialist pinkos like O’bozo and the Dems.”

Whatever they are, they better change quickly before they become a footnote in the history books.

Recon 0311 2533

February 20th, 2013
9:19 am

So who gives a damn what Kathleen Parker, Joe Scarborough, Ramish Ponnuru or John Podhoretz have to say. I guess Jay attempts to give these people bonafide conservative credentials because they think like him. Problem with that is Jay isn’t a conservative.

JamVet

February 20th, 2013
9:19 am

How about a new title for ________.

Petty Blogger.

Pay grade: E0.

What conservatives must do instead is dare to think different…

As GHWB said, “Not gonna do it. Wouldn’t be prudent at this juncture.”

And as getalife says, stay the course, cons…

F. Sinkwich

February 20th, 2013
9:20 am

“More drilling, more production, all under this administration.”

Not on federal lands. That’s where O’bozo rules.

ATL Tiger

February 20th, 2013
9:20 am

I personally relate more to conservative values than liberal values, however when I engage in political debate with others and I’m either asked or accused of being a Republican, I cringe.

The Republican party in future national elections is toast. They may be able to control a number of states and local legislative branches, but as far as national politics there is really only 1 party.

Fred ™

February 20th, 2013
9:21 am

Cosby

February 20th, 2013
9:11 am

Yawn…drooling over a demise of the GOP and then the King will be able to “Rule” freely. Utopia will be among us…all will live in Country Club Estates, all will drive Luxery Cars, all will retire with luxious lifestyles, all education will be free, infact we will no longer need to take care of our young, the King will see to it, there will no longer be rich or poor..we will all live the same…but wait, where oh where will the money come from?

Sad so sad
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Here is a perfect example of the sucking chest wound I refer to. ‘The King?” Really? Is this guy so stupid that he thinks Obama is the King? No, but he is so full of hate and impotent rage that he fails to have any grasp on reality.

Look at the rest of the post, all will live in estates, drive luxury cars, ect…….. does anyone really believe that except him? Nope. But HE thinks he is somehow enriching the conversation, adding some real meat in the debate. This IS was passes for an “intelligent” conversation to him. He thinks he is actually saying something.

How can the Republicans progress when THIS is their base? I don’t see it happening any times soon as you just can’t cure stupid.

Brosephus™

February 20th, 2013
9:21 am

Fred @ 9:16

Damned good post. Wife must have switched you to decaf.

:) :) :lol: :lol: :) :)

Paul

February 20th, 2013
9:22 am

JohnnyReb

“Another opportunity for Moonbats to disparage Conservatives and give advice on being more like themselves. ”

I heard a couple of Right-wing talk bloviators use that line of reasoning and it took just days before it became accepted as gospel truth among the radical conservative base.

Thinking like that shows just how impermeable that bubble has become.

td

February 20th, 2013
9:24 am

I love it when progressives attempt to tell Conservatives that the only way for them to survive is to become progressive lite. Why have a second party if it is just a reflection of the first party except it is not as extreme?

Conservatives control 30 governorships, 29 state houses totally and at least 1 chamber in another 6 and will control the US house of Reps until at least 2022. Stick to the Conservative philosophy of less government that is responsible, less taxes and a personal responsibility.

GT

February 20th, 2013
9:24 am

And Doggone/GA there is soon to be no Republican Party either.

Moderate Line

February 20th, 2013
9:24 am

Here are my thoughts. Until the Republicans lose the House, the Senate and the White House not much is going to change.
Since 1996 the Republicans have controlled the House all but 4 years. From 1932 to 1996 the Democrat controlled the House all but 4 years.
In other words that was 60-4 years to now 14-4. In the Senate I see a very similar story. Prior to 1996 the only success the Republicans had was in the Presidential elections.
And for those who said the Republicans lost the popular vote in the last House election the vote was very close. According to the link below Dems won 48.8 to 48.5 this with the House riding the President’s coat tails. (Note: These numbers were preliminary)
In 2014 I see the Republican picking up seats in the House and the Senate.
Now, do I agree with the Republicans moving to the right. No. But for the most part it is hard to argue with their success since 1996 vs their lack of success prior.
Since 1932 the Republicans have had their greatest success with their current ideological positions. Why would they change? Even though I don’t agree with them ideological I have acknowledge their electoral success.

Fred ™

February 20th, 2013
9:24 am

So who gives a damn what Kathleen Parker, Joe Scarborough, Ramish Ponnuru or John Podhoretz have to say. I guess Jay attempts to give these people bonafide conservative credentials because they think like him. Problem with that is Jay isn’t a conservative.

And that is why you fail.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F15dgBzwOrc

Brosephus™

February 20th, 2013
9:25 am

Paul

The bubble has been replaced by the iron dome.

комиссар (Occupation)

February 20th, 2013
9:25 am

Fred: “Thankfully the left hasn’t seized the moment yet, but leave it there long enough and they will eventually see it.”

Well, I guess we have to part ways there, as I am committed to seeing to it that the left does seize the moment, and there is nothing in my view more a measure of our crisis than the left’s continuing inability to do so.

“We NEED a strong SANE Republican party to balance out the left…”
But why, when as you just conceded the left is essentially a non-factor, unable to seize the historical opening before it?

RF

February 20th, 2013
9:26 am

“If Republicans want more than the older white angry demographic, they better grow a pair and tell those people they’re not the center of the universe”

Yes, but they can’t seem to do that. The problem is that the old guys hold the purse strings and they’re throwing money around like it’s candy. They still think that they can buy enough elections to shift the tide…kinda like piling money bags in the holes in the Nawlins levies, mind you, but that’s their strategy. Sad thing is they’re going to have to lose, and lose big, quite a few more times before the financiers of this lunacy get tired of throwing their money out the window. Until then, it’ll be more of the same. It’s likely going to take another ten years, give or take, to get them out of this mindset.

DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda

February 20th, 2013
9:26 am

Can’t we spray them all with PAM
and let them wrestle greco-roman style for control of the party?

Granny — the image that invokes………..:

**Newt Gingrich without a shirt and wearing a sumo wrestler’s diaper, chasing Calista around the ring demanding more money for another failed campaign ’cause if she doesn’t give it to him, he’ll be forced to have sex wit her.

**Mitt Romney and his magic underwear beating that Mormon out of his dog spot while sneering at all those ignorant 53%ers who actually voted for him.

**Karl Rove — wearing nothing but his mom’s pearls and a pair of pumps — attacking women for not being traditional enough.

**Anne Coulter — screeching like a vampire shrinking from the sun, while she’s draining the blood from some poor Soccer Mom

**Michelle Malkin — taking the opportunity to publicly humiliate her non-working husband (on the sly) while she body slams him repeatedly on the mat and calling him LadyBoy and naming him Micky M’s b##tch.

**Star Parker — hoping that she can at least fight Chris Christie for that last piece of cake.

**Dick Cheney, wearing his NRA For Life medallion, shooting children in the face.

Granny — those images…………………….I may never get them out of my head granny. And guess what?

I. BLAME. YOU.

May god have mercy on your soul……………

kayaker 71

February 20th, 2013
9:27 am

Bookman, 9:08,

I’ll take a stab at it. Much was said leading up to the 2010 midterms about Republicans having their convention in a phone booth and other such tripe. Then we came strong out of the shute and kicked your liberal ass. Even Bozo said he got handed his hat. What has changed since then? Not much. Economically, things have changed very little. Our debt is worse, and getting worse as we speak. This health care plan has just begun to suck the life out of American business and we ignore the reality that we were lied to time and again by a bunch of liberals intent on having their own way at the expense of those who couldn’t afford it. The message hasn’t changed. Self reliance, responsibility for your own actions and decisions, love of country……. these might be the thoughts of a bunch of old white guys but I’ll take them any day. Bozo only won this last election by 3M or so votes. What were the percentages, 52/49? Hardly a mandate. Essentially, one half of the electorate rejected him and his liberal pipe dream. The House elections will tell the tale. They are much more indicative of electoral feeling than the presidential election and always have been. Guilt ridden liberals can do a lot to elect a president and they proved it last November.

Moderate Line

February 20th, 2013
9:28 am

Jay

February 20th, 2013
9:09 am
Any conservatives out there willing to take on the actual content of the opinions posted here?
+++++
I am not really conservative but I believe I took your challenge anyway.

Paul

February 20th, 2013
9:28 am

Sinkwich

“You mean like embrace higher taxes,”

Do you think it is right that Facebook just made over a billion dollars in profit yet paid no federal tax? In fact, taxpayers gave them nearly half a billion in subsidies?

Or si that a policy belief – we can’t raise taxes on anyone – that Republicans should continue to advocate? Even to middle class families looking at corporations earning billions in profits and paying no taxes?

straitroad

February 20th, 2013
9:28 am

Jay

February 20th, 2013
9:09 am

Jay, you’re making an assumption that there is a problem with the GOP because that is the liberal talking point right now. The bubble you mention works both ways and one could make the argument that you and most of the folks posting on this board are comfortably within your own bubble. We are in a unique situation right now with a unique president. We’ll have to wait and see what happens after Obama is out of office. The media types aren’t willing to apply the usual and customary standards to the president because of the howling that would go on about racism, prejudice, hating, etc. If Hillary is elected in 2016, the media will do its job a little better but we’ll still have some of the same elements of the kid glove treatment because she is a female. If the media carried the water for the GOP as they do for Obama, the party’s perception would be different as would the election results.

Itchy Finger

February 20th, 2013
9:28 am

I sure would like to participate Jay….

mm

February 20th, 2013
9:28 am

We have ended one war the GOP clamored for. We are ending another one next year. We have refused to attack Iran. The GOP has no one to fight anymore, so they’ve started to fight each other. Fun stuff.

The GOP crazy will be on full display in a few weeks at CPAC.

комиссар (Occupation)

February 20th, 2013
9:28 am

td: “I love it when progressives attempt to tell Conservatives that the only way for them to survive is to become progressive lite. Why have a second party if it is just a reflection of the first party except it is not as extreme?”

Just switch around the words “progressive” and “conservative” and that’s a perfect description of the situation we actually have.

Doggone/GA

February 20th, 2013
9:29 am

“Not on federal lands. That’s where O’bozo rules.”

And of course it has NOTHING to do with all the current leases they’re sitting on and not using. Oh no, can’t be that. It’s just GOT to be ALL Obama’s fault. NEVER the oil companies.

Fred ™

February 20th, 2013
9:29 am

Yo Bro: Getting any sleep? I never had a problem. When the girl woke up crying ion hunger in the middle of the night, I didn’t have the “parts” she needed lol so I got to sleep.

Butch Cassidy (I)

February 20th, 2013
9:29 am

JohnnyReb – “Another opportunity for Moonbats to disparage Conservatives”

According to the cites above as well as Bobby Jindal, you don’t need the “Moonbats” to disparage Conservatives. They’re already doing a fine job of doing it themselves.

Steve

February 20th, 2013
9:29 am

If progressives can learn to work with the moderates in the Democratic Party, and if that party remains stable, I really think that the demise of the GOP is near. Centrist GOP ideas are going to have to make a resurgence to compete for the votes of Independents and non-party affiliated moderates.

Recon 0311 2533

February 20th, 2013
9:29 am

Most of us on here have seen the bursting dot.com bubble, we’ve seen the bursting housing bubble next will see the burst of the left-wing bubble.

JohnnyReb

February 20th, 2013
9:31 am

Paul – there are basic beliefs among Conservatives that cannot change. If one changes his/her stand on those basic principles s/he ceases to be a conservative.

Labeling a conservative a radical is another way of identifying him as not agreeing with Liberals.

All this talk about being more like Liberals in order to win is non-sense. There are a few adjustments needed, but when it boils down to it, the core beliefs cannot change.

And, as I posted earlier, what Obama has and is trying to put in place will not last. History shows it never does. Not only will it collapse here, but us being more like Europe will likely collapse Europe also.

barking frog

February 20th, 2013
9:31 am

Depending on the outcome of the cosmetics of the
sequestration ‘fight’ the Repubs may hold the house 2014
and spoil the remainder of the Obama Presidency. It’s
pitiful to see the powerful pretend to be victims on both
sides.

Brosephus™

February 20th, 2013
9:31 am

Conservatives control 30 governorships, 29 state houses totally and at least 1 chamber in another 6 and will control the US house of Reps until at least 2022.

Yet all that did not translate to victory on the national level. I’d wager that GOP electoral victories are tied more to low voter turnout than to their platform or messaging. Fewer people vote in state elections vs federal ones.

GT

February 20th, 2013
9:31 am

No F. Sinkwich we mean live in caves, carry guns, smoke cigarettes and treat women like they are possessions. Leaders have ideas that improve things, move from square one to square two, and not keep a seat warm in Congress offering nothing for negativity.

You are like going to a doctor, who says, “yep you are sick, next patient”. You people have nothing, why do you want to serve?