Within the GOP, ‘battle lines are being drawn’
“Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you’re always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away.”
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From conservative columnist Kathleen Parker, a cry for a RINO uprising:
“Indeed, as the base seeks El Savior, isn’t it time for a RINO Rebellion?
Take a cue from the tea party, RINOs. Embrace your alienation. Slap a bumper sticker on your angst and rally that dispassion. Witness how bloggers turned others’ insults into a movement. What were random basement bloggers in terrycloth bathrobes and Uggs are now the respected and influential Pajamas Media, a.k.a. PJ Media.
Own your insult, in other words. Why should RINOs hang their heads in shame and be relegated to the fringes of their party? The party is the fringe. Isn’t it time to reclaim the salt lick? RINOs need to be defiantly proud, aggressively centrist and unapologetically sane.
… RINOs need to stop being so normal and grant their better angels a sabbatical. Forget taking back the country. Start by taking back your party. Do it for your country.
RINOs: The Strong. The Proud. The Many.”
From former GOP congressman Joe Scarborough, a plea to fellow Republicans to flee the nice, cozy bubble and experience “Reality World”:
“… it was the Conservative Entertainment Complex that led Republican thought leaders, grass-roots activists and even the presidential candidate himself into believing that a GOP victory was imminent on Election Day. The Romney team was so isolated deep inside this conservative media bubble that they continued to believe victory was theirs well into the evening.
That embarrassing political tale proved that conservatives had finally become what they had once mocked: an insular movement so lost in its own echo chamber that it rarely made contact with those who didn’t share their world view.
… Conservatives should celebrate the gains they have made in the media world over the past two decades. But their greatest challenge moving forward is to begin breaking down the walls they have built that keeps them locked inside a comfort zone that distorts political reality and cedes great advantages to Democratic candidates. What conservatives must do instead is dare to think different, apply eternal truths to current realities and then start spreading their gospel of conservatism to the swing voters who have rejected them in five of six presidential races.”
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From Ramesh Ponnuru, longtime conservative intellectual and visiting fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, a reminder that it ain’t 1980 anymore and M*A*S*H ain’t the number one hit on TV:
Today’s Republicans are very good at tending the fire of Ronald Reagan’s memory but not nearly as good at learning from his successes. They slavishly adhere to the economic program that Reagan developed to meet the challenges of the late 1970s and early 1980s, ignoring the fact that he largely overcame those challenges, and now we have new ones. It’s because Republicans have not moved on from that time that Senators Marco Rubio and Rand Paul, in their responses to the State of the Union address last week, offered so few new ideas….
In his first Inaugural Address, Reagan famously said that “government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.” The less famous yet crucial beginning of that sentence was “in our present crisis.” The question is whether conservatism revives by attending to today’s conditions, or becomes something withered and dead. “
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John Podhoretz, in the conservative New York Post, on those in the GOP who value purity over success:
It is true that the Old Establishment has much to answer for.
It has become encrusted with parasitic barnacles. There are policy wonks who last had something interesting to say during the Ford administration.
There is a profiteering consultant class that makes out like bandits whether the GOP wins or loses and now is actively stifling innovation of the sort that the Obamans deployed so brilliantly in 2008 and 2012.
Still, there is something bizarre about the notion that Republicans are acting illegitimately if they try to take a role in internal Republican politics.
The key difference right now is that the Old Establishment is obsessed with expanding the number of voters who’ll pull the lever for Republicans — while the New Establishment is so consumed with putting an Oedipal stake in the heart of the Old Guys that it seems actually to prefer a smaller GOP.
Which is nuts.”
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I just thought you should know that it’s not just me saying it.
– Jay Bookman
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Simple Truths
February 20th, 2013
11:06 am
Off topic, is there a guide for how to add superscripts, strike throughs, and emoticons in this blog environment?
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
11:06 am
“Whats the news here?”
None. If you want news, go to the news pages not the Opinion page
Moderate Line
February 20th, 2013
11:07 am
Jay
February 20th, 2013
10:22 am
Why does that liberal progressive Newt Gingrich keep saying bad things about the Republican Party?
“I am writing this newsletter in a very direct, no baloney, effort to get across how much trouble we Republicans are in and how real the internal party fight is going to be….”
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If you tell them that being Republican requires obedience to every single tenet of Republican doctrine — George Will this week noted that the party is “more ideologically homogenous than ever in 156 years of competing for the presidency” — how can you sell them on a candidate who is so transparently insincere in embracing that doctrine? Isn’t that a betrayal? (Gingrich is equally insincere; he’s just better at hiding it.)
Newt understands that dynamic very well, having helped to create it. He has made an ostentatious point of refusing to attack his fellow Republicans, saying he will not participate in a media conspiracy to divide the party. It is a wise response, perfectly attuned to the mindset of the base, and you can expect to see him offer it repeatedly in tonight’s GOP debate from Iowa. Jay Bookman
Talked about confirmation bias. Bash, bash, bash. Now I agree with something he said so I will use it.
http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2011/12/10/newt-gingrich-is-gops-frankenstein-monster-come-to-life/
JamVet
February 20th, 2013
11:07 am
frog, no doubt she is pretty.
But it seems that she showed the nation that the elevator didn’t go to the top floor!
And had not another mental midget (certainly by presidential standards) just been elected in 2000 and 2004, it might not have raised as many red flags as it did.
Of course I know the difference. (even though I’m a northen moron.)
http://www.politifake.org/image/political/small/1206/hold-on-obamneycare-politics-1339487584.jpg
stevie ray
February 20th, 2013
11:08 am
Sarah Palin was too attractive to be accepted by women. That was before she opened her mouth.
Lance in Carrollton
February 20th, 2013
11:09 am
Granny Godzilla
February 20th, 2013
11:00 am
“Lighten up Lance. You’ll hurt youself.
I was hoping the info would prompt you to remember the recent dust up about
removing certain work requirements to allow for other training or educational
oportunities that was a hot button with conservatives.
Again, it is important to do your homework.”
I am aware of TANF. Voluntary job trainin will not help people if they just want the money. (They will just want the fish- not how to learn to fish) I don’t believe that everyone on welfare or unemployment, or any government assistance is trying not to work. Some people are not trained to work in today’s workforce. I think the best option would be is to tie job training to welfare or unemployment, not voluntarily. So a person could not just sit at home and collect, but try to improve their lot in life.
Ronald Reagan
February 20th, 2013
11:09 am
I think this transplanted (or planted) Liberal writer needs to be more concerned with who is going to be the Liberal joke in the next election. The “Benghazi Babe” won’t get it done!
комиссар (Occupation)
February 20th, 2013
11:10 am
Woah, what’s this, the “liberal” “euro-socialist” New York Times getting all pissy about the fact that Ecuadorans clearly really like their left-wing president?
Can it be? What’s wrong with this picture? Why, I thought the New York times was the bastion of “liberalism”, and since “liberalism” definitely equals “leftism”, then how to explain this strange dissonance?
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/16/world/americas/ecuadoreans-are-apprehensive-over-likely-re-election-of-president-correa.html
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CARACAS, Venezuela — In the final analysis, Edwin Tatés supports President Rafael Correa of Ecuador and wants him to be re-elected. He just does not want it to be too easy.
So for the election on Sunday, Mr. Tatés, a 39-year-old father of two, plans to vote against the president, in the hope that the contest will go to a runoff — and possibly curb the president’s rampant ego.
[..]
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 20th, 2013
11:10 am
Excellent analysis breckenridge
williebkind
February 20th, 2013
11:10 am
“These trends spell big trouble for the Republican Party. The GOP is rooted in superstition and lore that America is rapidly moving away from.”
This is simply a bump for ahteists due to sympathetic appeal by the younger folks. It will change as they age. The news media, hollywood, and secular groups push appeal to the fun and games of life and have captured the attention of some of the young. That too will change.
Escaped from Email Purgatory
February 20th, 2013
11:12 am
There’s not much in the comments of the pundits that you can disagree with. Theirs is an insiders view, so it carries the same credibility as a lot of Bookmans’ blogs on the topic, but mercifully without his partisan subtext.
Clearly the GOP is a mess right now. I don’t think anybody disputes that. The cure is another matter, however.
Obama won reelection for crying out loud! That says it all right there.
Believe it or not, the wounds the GOP continues to inflict on itself is an issue often discussed on Fox News. Mostly on O’Reilly – usually with Britt Hume or Laura Ingraham – of all people.
The new paradigm for running a successful campaign has been established – and somebody needs to tell the GOP about it.
And Romney was hardly a compelling candidate. His message was tainted by his dismissive ‘47%’ remark. The extreme positions embraced by many republicans on immigration and social issues were a stain he couldn’t wash off either. That stuff wasn’t gonna fly with mainstream voters.
Here’s how extreme many republicans are: They hate John McCain as much as Bookman’s Bandits do. And rather than vote for Romney the RINO, many stayed home on election day. How’ed that turn out for them?
RINOs are regarded by the GOP fringe the same way black Republicans are by the liberal fringe: as sellouts. And that’s a shame – on both counts. And I hope it changes.
HDB
February 20th, 2013
11:12 am
williebkind
February 20th, 2013
11:01 am
Just because certain historical evidences shows the message to be true, you can’t hate the messenger! Remember, the GOP was the progressives before the Southern conservatives migrated to the GOP and turned it into what it is today……and the basis of the Southern economy has always been cheap labor…starting with slavery……
barking frog
February 20th, 2013
11:13 am
JamVet 11:07
I think she helped McCain a lot by distracting from his
“I’m a maverick, she’s a maverick, wouldn’t you like to
be a maverick too” campaign theme. Brains have never
been required for candidates, they are for political operatives.
St Simons - he-ne-ha
February 20th, 2013
11:13 am
what a pompous disgusting pig that poster was
Moderate Line
February 20th, 2013
11:14 am
Moderate Line
February 20th, 2013
11:07 am
Jay
February 20th, 2013
10:22 am
Why does that liberal progressive Newt Gingrich keep saying bad things about the Republican Party?
“I am writing this newsletter in a very direct, no baloney, effort to get across how much trouble we Republicans are in and how real the internal party fight is going to be….”
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The truth is, Gingrich likes to talk in sweeping generalizations and stirring absolutes, which helps him come across like the big lofty thinker he claims to be. Everything is “fundamentally” this or “profoundly” that, not to mention “dramatic” and “transformative.” It’s an effective style in speeches and public appearances, because bombastic claims, assumptions and leaps of logic can’t be challenged. Jay Bookman
BMDPD
February 20th, 2013
11:14 am
The whole thing saddens me. I don’t have a lot of hope for conservatism. I believe in Christ, the constitution and in traditional family values. That makes me an extremist. What is happened is that the liberal propaganda machine has worked extremely well; the liberal schools have perpetuated the liberal propaganda machine; the networks (with the exception of one) continue to support the causes of the liberal propaganda machine, by choosing what to report and what not to report. I don’t see a future for conservatives. I guess I will just cling to my guns and religion.
Jay
February 20th, 2013
11:14 am
Yes, Moderate, when someone says something that I agree with, I feel free to say so. Is that a strange concept to you?
Nobody is always wrong. Nobody is always right. So what’s your point?
Granny Godzilla
February 20th, 2013
11:15 am
Much better Lance.
Now, write your congresscritters, because I can’t think of anybody sensible who would
not support job training programs tied to TANF benefits.
Some light reading…
http://singleparents.about.com/od/financialhelp/p/TANF.htm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
11:15 am
SHEETZ!
splavistic
February 20th, 2013
11:17 am
The sound of the modern conservative movement in the throes of death is truly music to a LOT of our ears!
JamVet
February 20th, 2013
11:18 am
Brains have never
been required for candidates, they are for political operatives.
Generally speaking, I agree.
But GWB changed that somewhat. It was to me, amazing that that turnip truck refugee could get elected by demonstrating the staggering stupidity that he did.
Oh well.
The Reign of Error is over and every day we move farther away from it, the better for the country.
As for Sarah, yes she would have taken her marching orders from her corporate paymasters gleefully and as dutifully as anyone else, so in my mind, she was as qualified as any other spineless sell out…
Paul
February 20th, 2013
11:19 am
Sinkwich
“I have a problem with any corporation not complying with tax law. I also have a problem with any corporation, in which I’m invested, paying more in taxes than required by the tax code.”
So you’re okay with 47% not paying any federal income tax, as they are complying with the tax code and are not paying more than required by the tax code, right?
breckenridge
February 20th, 2013
11:19 am
“This is simply a bump for ahteists due to sympathetic appeal by the younger folks. ”
This respondents said nothing about Atheism williebkind. What they said is they’re finding spirituality outside of Christianity. In no circumstances did they cite media influence as a factor.
I don’t believe they were asked about the asinine belief that only born-again Christians can go to heaven but I’m sure they would have completely rejected such nonsense. Nor do I know who the piece of garbage is came up with that nonsensical idea in the first place, maybe that worthless dung-heap John Calvin.
BMDPD
February 20th, 2013
11:19 am
Granny, there is a way ensure single people don’t become parents. There are tons of measures out there to prevent conception. Abstinence until married is my favorite.
HDB
February 20th, 2013
11:20 am
Escaped from Email Purgatory
February 20th, 2013
11:12 am
“RINOs are regarded by the GOP fringe the same way black Republicans are by the liberal fringe: as sellouts.”
You forgot one other aspect: “the same way black Republicans are viewed by the GOP itself: mindless tokens who the party can manipulate and use”…..
If you note how the black vote for the GOP has steadily DECLINED during the election cycle……..(http://www.blackcommentator.com/154/154_thindwa_black_conservatives.html)
Granny Godzilla
February 20th, 2013
11:20 am
Liberal Propaganda Machine
Robert
February 20th, 2013
11:20 am
The American People (elderly, women, minorities, gays & lesbians, Christains, Muslims & Jews, etc.) have spoken loud and clear. We choose President Obama, the first Black American President of the USA in 2008 & 2012.
The American People changed the direction of the USA forever. No longer can the GOP win all the southern states and rally the rebels (old white guys) in a few northern states to win the White House. That model is broken beyond repair.
The good news is our children will grow-up in a America that looks and acts just like they do. Thank you God. The latest Polls strongly suggest the next President of the USA will be a Woman or another minority candidate (Hispanic, Asian, etc.).
It is time for the RINOs to make a choice if they want to be considered a serious political party. Do the RINOs really want to win seats in the House and Senate during the 2014 midterm elections and/or be a serious contender for the White House in 2016?
1. Will the RINOs represent all the American People (elderly, women, minorities, gays & lesbians, Christains, Muslims & Jews, etc.)?
2. Will the RINOs represent the homegrown terrorist group(s) known as the “tea party” (klansmen, skinheads, militia’s, birther’s, etc.)?
The RINOs do have a choice – the American People or the homegrown terrorist group(s) known as the “tea party”.
What choice will the RINOs make?
The American People…
BTB
February 20th, 2013
11:22 am
First kill ALL the lawyers – W.S.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
11:24 am
Abstinence until married is my favorite.
There’s a highly technical term that those in the reproductive medical industry uses to describe couples that use abstinence as birth control.
They call them “parents.”
Partisay
February 20th, 2013
11:25 am
Lance in Carrolltron —
I love helping the needy. I think it would be great that if we all did it voluntarily though. It is easy spending someone else’s money. What if we did something crazy like teaching a person a craft or skill along with providing welfare. “Give a man a fish he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.”
Teachingt a person a craft or skill you say? Do you mean job retraining programs? You know, when a person loses a job in a declining industry and the government retrains them so they can go out and work and be productive again and start paying taxes again? Are you talking THAT kind of deal?
Wait…that’s what the right is against…too much guvment!
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 20th, 2013
11:25 am
This is simply a bump for ahteists due to sympathetic appeal by the younger folks. It will change as they age. The news media, hollywood, and secular groups push appeal to the fun and games of life and have captured the attention of some of the young. That too will change.
Denial much ???
GT
February 20th, 2013
11:26 am
The sick patient here is the Republican Party. It is synonymous with denial, usually because it cannot digest fact and works on a soap opera emotion that washes out the light of day. Your sickness weakens both parties, it makes it too easy for the Democratic Party. We attack our agenda void of intelligent conversation from the reality of competition, like monopoly banks operate in this country. We need your best shot not your weakest to keep us focus. I hope and am almost sure that someone or something will come along on your side. Let the crazies entertain themselves and let the pure at heart govern for the good of both sides.
BMDPD
February 20th, 2013
11:26 am
Robert, obviously you are way off on the tea party demographics. Google it. By the way to are a perfect product of the Propaganda machine.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 20th, 2013
11:27 am
“WITHIN THE GOP, ‘BATTLE LINES ARE BEING DRAWN’ ”
What the heck does this have to do with MARTA or charter schools in Georgia ?
Geez !
Granny Godzilla
February 20th, 2013
11:27 am
BMDPD
February 20th, 2013
11:19 am
Granny, there is a way ensure single people don’t become parents. There are tons of measures out there to prevent conception. Abstinence until married is my favorite.
.
.
.
.
And did you practice what you preach?
I don’t require abstinence before marriage. I prefer a little experience of the world.
BMDPD
February 20th, 2013
11:28 am
Sorry, you are a perfect product…..
Escaped from Email Purgatory
February 20th, 2013
11:28 am
“You forgot one other aspect: “the same way black Republicans are viewed by the GOP itself: mindless tokens who the party can manipulate and use”…..
@HDB
Well, Herman Cain was the 2012 front runner there for awhile. He looks like he’s from Newark to me. Was that tokenism?
Moderate Line
February 20th, 2013
11:30 am
Jay
February 20th, 2013
11:14 am
Yes, Moderate, when someone says something that I agree with, I feel free to say so. Is that a strange concept to you?
Nobody is always wrong. Nobody is always right. So what’s your point?
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I alluded to confirmation bias which a common pyschological term. It is the concept of how we accept data or opinions which agree with us but dismiss data or opinions which disagree with us which tends to lead us to false conclusions. You reject the data like the fact that in 2008 the Republicans controlled absolutely nothing and now they control more state and house seats than the Democrats.
Not only do I think it is not strange but I believe it is very common. Just like making statement like “Is that a strange concept to you?” and “So what’s your point?”.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 20th, 2013
11:32 am
“Boehner Fires Back at Obama on Sequester: You Created It, You Fix It”
Arf! Arf!
Lance in Carrollton
February 20th, 2013
11:32 am
Robert
February 20th, 2013
11:20 am
“The RINOs do have a choice – the American People or the homegrown terrorist group(s) known as the “tea party”. ”
Where has the Tea Party demonstrated one act of terror? Using hyperbole such as this is akin to Republicans calling the President a Socialist. It does not aid your argument. Conservatives, Tea Party members, and moderate Republicans are not the Taliban of America, Confederates, Skinheads, KKK members, or all other things that they are called by some members who are liberal on here. And, Liberals, Progressives, and moderate Democrats are not Socialists, Communists, or Loony. The art of disagreeing without being disagreeable is being lost because of the anonymity of the internet.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 20th, 2013
11:34 am
“And, Liberals, Progressives, and moderate Democrats are not Socialists, Communists, or Loony.”
Ah ……………………… nevermind.
JamVet
February 20th, 2013
11:34 am
The sound of the modern conservative movement in the throes of death is truly music to a LOT of our ears!
Having endured those dark years of Nixon, Reagan, Gingrich AND Bush, yet indeedy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T9SEY8eLyk
Ol' Timer
February 20th, 2013
11:34 am
In a nutshell, the Republican/Tea Party has gerrymandered districts all across the country where they run and elect idiots who then set about making a career out of saying and doing stupid stuff. And, Georgia is a prime example with Broun, Price and company.
The contagion of stupidity has become so wide-spread that independents are embarrassed by their anti-science, off-the-wall rhetoric that they have run into the embrace of the Democrats who welcome them and win on the national stage by commanding margins in both the popular and electoral vote.
So, if I was hired as a high priced political consultant, I’d say: “Stop running and electing idiots and put a freakin’ sock in your mouth! You’re making damn fools of yourself. Stop it!
My bill is in the mail.”
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 20th, 2013
11:37 am
“John Kerry Delivers First Remarks as Secretary of State”
You mean he didn’t throw anything over the White House fence first ??
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 20th, 2013
11:40 am
“Gingrich: Rove’s plan to save GOP is “terrible”
“Former Republican House Speaker blasts GOP strategists for mishandling 2012 races, failing to understand American voters.”
Well …………….. there you go !
Lance in Carrollton
February 20th, 2013
11:40 am
Partisay
February 20th, 2013
11:25 am
No, the Right has shown on many occasions that it is prepared to grow government when it is in power. No side is perfect on the any argument. The country has two choices in my opinion follow the lead of elected leaders and name call and descend into petty politics, or participate in actual governance. Respect for others’ opinions is a necessity for compromise. I think the biggest problem in America today is that we don’t understand that both sides are doing what they feel would be best for the country and not destruction of it.
GT
February 20th, 2013
11:42 am
Escaped from Email Purgatory nope Herman pretty well got the jest of what the Republican Party is all about. Nothing token about Cain unless we are talking his representation of the black race, he won’t be getting their vote. Herman has bought in to being white, male pig, just happens to be black, but a pure Republican. He desires the support of the party; he has earned it harassing some man’s daughter or wife. Surprised he didn’t get the nomination. Will give him credit he didn’t try to pass as a Christian like so many over there do.
Fulton Fairness!
February 20th, 2013
11:49 am
three pre-dominantly black districts in the South
Escaped from Email Purgatory
February 20th, 2013
11:53 am
@GT
I get the impression Herman Cain represents Herman Cain. He’s a self made, successful business man. And he dabbles in punditry and politics on the side. And he’s a flawed human being, as are most of us.
Partisay
February 20th, 2013
11:58 am
And, Liberals, Progressives, and moderate Democrats are not Socialists, Communists, or Loony. The art of disagreeing without being disagreeable is being lost because of the anonymity of the internet.
The internet has really nothing to do with this. Repbulicans are calling the President a socialist, communist and, yes, looney, without the use of anonymity. They just do it right to his face or right there for everybody to see on FOX news. If you weren’t behind Bush and the War on Terror you were called traitor and you were accused of hating America. So, no, don’t blame it on the internet.
williebkind
February 20th, 2013
12:01 pm
“Just because certain historical evidences shows the message to be true, you can’t hate the messenger!”
The word true in the statement is wrong. There lies the problem.
Partisay
February 20th, 2013
12:11 pm
“Respect for others’ opinions is a necessity for compromise. I think the biggest problem in America today is that we don’t understand that both sides are doing what they feel would be best for the country and not destruction of it.”
Lance, I agree with everything you say there. If there is no comprimise, there will be no governing. But when you have a parade of people like Rush, Ingram, Hannity, Beck, etc, etc, etc, who daily spread the message that they do with respect to your statement, how do the Republicans counter that? You can’t compare really anybody on the left in that area because they don’t have those mouth pieces in the same number that the republicans do. When it comes to radio and cable, they have the numbers – by far – and are proud of it. (and please, no “but, but, but MSNBC!! They don’t compare to FOX and talk radio.)
I used to look at Rush and cringe, thinking of the damage he was doing to the left. Now I flip over and hear his voice and smile because I now know the damage he is causing for republicans. He is part of the “bubble” the republicans are living in.
williebkind
February 20th, 2013
12:12 pm
Robert
February 20th, 2013
11:20 am
You should sign it with your name and not as the American People because 51% can easly change overnight.
JamVet
February 20th, 2013
12:21 pm
willie thinks that the ongoing, agonizing implosion of the extremist neocon movement is temporary and that they need to change nothing at all.
(I LOVE willie’s politics!)
td
February 20th, 2013
12:26 pm
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
11:05 am
d @ 10:05
You still didn’t refute my point. Add up the number of votes cast for president and compare that to the number of votes cast in state campaigns. More people vote for federal office than state office. The GOP message does not poll well on the national level.
Of coarse there is a large number of people in this nation that could careless about their state Senator and care even less then that for their member of the House. As a result the President level receives more votes then the state level races. That is a well established fact about this nation and if that is what you were saying then I agree with you 100% and right now the Dems seem to have that vote.
What I am saying is that vote represents only 1/3 of the total Federal power and has nothing to do with state power. The GOP seems to be currently the choice of the people at the state level Federal races and the state races. (Opposite views of what happened in this country for nearly 60 years until 1994).
Moderate Line
February 20th, 2013
1:02 pm
Partisay
February 20th, 2013
12:11 pm
You can’t compare really anybody on the left in that area because they don’t have those mouth pieces in the same number that the republicans do.
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The left has the same mouthpieces. It just that nobody watches them or listens to them as much. I have no idea what the reason is. Chris Matthews annoys me as much Hannity. Rachel Maddow and Cris Olbermann are just as annoying as Beck or Ingram.
I believe you are confusing access with how many people listen to them.
Lance in Carrollton
February 20th, 2013
1:13 pm
Partisay
February 20th, 2013
12:11 pm
I agree that the left doesn’t have a many numbers, but Bill Maher’s vitriol against Religion, and Conservative women is pretty destructive.
Partisay
February 20th, 2013
2:39 pm
Moderate…you named 2 – Maddow and Olberman. That’s my point. Olberman is a has-been. Is he even out there anymore? If he is, I don’t know where. Meanwhile, I could make a list a mile long from the other side because of the market they have. They’re not many on the left because they have no place to spew. Meanwhile, between fox and talk radio, there’s plenty of room for plenty on the right. More people listen to those on the right because they’re ARE many more of those talking heads that are right wing.
And Lance, as for Maher, I just see him as a comedian, not really a talking head. But that may just be me.
Robert
February 20th, 2013
2:44 pm
@Lance in Carrollton – The whole world saw the hatred and bigotry displayed by the homegrown terrorist group(s) known as the “tea party” (klansmen, skinheads, militia’s, birther’s, etc.) and heard their call to battle (take back my country) as well as saw the majority of poor uneducated, disenfranshised White Americans embrace the “tea party” and vote for every GOP candidate regardless of their experience during the 2010 midterm elections. The GOP/tea party made it their business to ensure that President Obama would be a 1 term President and spent over a billion dollars and failed during the 2012 Presidential race.
The GOP/tea party weapons of choice are hatred, fear and rage/mob mentality against the American People (elderly, women, minorities, gays & lesbians, Christains, Muslims & Jews, etc.)
The entire USA saw how the new GOP/tea party members with little or no political experience have affected both the House and Senate and the American People are held as hostages, even until this day if the GOP tea party terrorist does not get their way. This is the first time in the history of the USA that the ballot box was used as a weapon against the American People.
The American People
Robert
February 20th, 2013
2:53 pm
@williebkind – 53% of the American People voted for President Obama.
The American People
Robert
February 20th, 2013
3:01 pm
@BMDPD – Dick Armey – tea party terrorist annual salary – from FreedomWorks Inc., a “social welfare” 501(c)(4), and the FreedomWorks Foundation, a 501(c)(3) charitable institution — was $500,000 in 2010. According to the AP, Armey’s agreed to resign with $8 million in consulting fees, paid in annual $400,000 installments.
Another corporate welfare case using the 501 (c) (3,4). The American People (elderly, women, minorities, gays & lesbians, Christains, Muslims & Jews, etc.) are sick and tired of the homegrown terrorist group(s) known as the “tea party” (klansmen, skinheads, militia’s, birther’s, etc.). Terrorist groups such as Freedom Works using charitable institutions to re-invent themselfs as a legitimate political party is outragous. The American People should be mad as hell that a few corporate criminals are using 501 (c) to finance terrorist groups.
The GOP should issue an immediate apology to the American People condeming this kind of corporate fraud and promise to never let any extreme group dictate how the American People will be governed. Dick Armey owes the American People an apology and refund for all the money he took from the “tea party” terrorist.
The American People…
Robert
February 20th, 2013
3:16 pm
@BMDPD – The American People should be mad as hell. The Heritage Foundation is another 501 (c)”corporate welfare” organization. Jim DeMint, SC is a poster child for the homegrown terrorist group(s) known as the “tea party” (klansmen, skinheads, militia’s, birther’s, etc.). His salary is $1,000,000 dollars per year which is 10 times more than he made as a congressman.
Moderate Line
February 20th, 2013
4:18 pm
Partisay
February 20th, 2013
2:39 pm
Moderate…you named 2 – Maddow and Olberman. That’s my point. Olberman is a has-been. Is he even out there anymore? If he is, I don’t know where. Meanwhile, I could make a list a mile long from the other side because of the market they have. They’re not many on the left because they have no place to spew. Meanwhile, between fox and talk radio, there’s plenty of room for plenty on the right. More people listen to those on the right because they’re ARE many more of those talking heads that are right wing.
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I only stated two. I counted three. Also, on MSNBC is Al Sharptoon, O’Donnell and Shultz. Didn’t realize how important the numbers were in probing a point or would have put more effort into it.
Lance in Carrollton
February 20th, 2013
7:10 pm
Robert
February 20th, 2013
2:44 pm
“@Lance in Carrollton – The whole world saw the hatred and bigotry displayed by the homegrown terrorist group(s) known as the “tea party” (klansmen, skinheads, militia’s, birther’s, etc.) and heard their call to battle (take back my country) as well as saw the majority of poor uneducated, disenfranshised White Americans embrace the “tea party” and vote for every GOP candidate regardless of their experience during the 2010 midterm elections. The GOP/tea party made it their business to ensure that President Obama would be a 1 term President and spent over a billion dollars and failed during the 2012 Presidential race.
The GOP/tea party weapons of choice are hatred, fear and rage/mob mentality against the American People (elderly, women, minorities, gays & lesbians, Christains, Muslims & Jews, etc.)
The entire USA saw how the new GOP/tea party members with little or no political experience have affected both the House and Senate and the American People are held as hostages, even until this day if the GOP tea party terrorist does not get their way. This is the first time in the history of the USA that the ballot box was used as a weapon against the American People.
The American People”
I quote the great 1995 film Billy Madison:
“Mr. Madison, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”