News flash! Newt opposes billionaires buying elections!
Writing in Human Events, Newt Gingrich condemns a plan by Karl Rove to raise a lot of money from billionaires and intervene in GOP primaries on behalf of more mainstream, supposedly more electable candidates:
“I am unalterably opposed to a bunch of billionaires financing a boss to pick candidates in 50 states. This is the opposite of the Republican tradition of freedom and grassroots small-town conservatism.
No one person is smart enough nor do they have the moral right to buy nominations across the country.
That is the system of Tammany Hall and the Chicago machine. It should be repugnant to every conservative and every Republican.”
Newt, have you met this man?
His name is Sheldon Adelson. I would have thought that you two knew each other, but apparently not. (Look again … is it the sunglasses throwing you off?)
However, as a man who is “unalterably opposed” to the notion of billionaires buying elections, you should know that Adelson — a casino owner with an estimated net worth of more than $20 billion — gave you and your associated SuperPACS some $30 million in an effort to buy you, Newt Gingrich, the 2012 GOP nomination.
And after you imploded — who saw that one coming, right? — Adelson reportedly went on to give an additional $100 million to other SuperPACs, including up to $40 million to those run by Rove.
Knowing how you feel about such things, I’m sure you’re deeply embarrassed that you let such a thing happen. Say hi to Callista!
Your friend,
– Jay Bookman
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TaxPayer
February 20th, 2013
2:41 pm
However Newt is more than willing to negotiate his own price with any number of those billionaires for his services.
Union
February 20th, 2013
2:46 pm
the nerve of newt. kind of ironic like Obama and the word transparency
harvey
February 20th, 2013
3:00 pm
Well, anyone with the money to do it will buy elections. Even those elected buy elections by favoring those who support them. As example, Obama buys Mexicans, gays, dependents, unions, academics, simply by supporting them. So one hand washes the other.
Tealiban Party
February 20th, 2013
3:01 pm
Newt just doesn’t like the idea of the middleman. It’s OK if the millions go directly to his own coffers.
Paul
February 20th, 2013
3:01 pm
The problem with hypocrites is they never recognize themselves.
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
3:03 pm
“the nerve of newt. kind of ironic like Obama and the word transparency”
Let’s not discuss the idiocy of people who actually bought that “promise” NO ONE can promise “transparency” in government until they are actually in a position to do so AND have come to realize that it’s not always possible.
I understood that from the get-go. Why didn’t you?
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
3:04 pm
“As example, Obama buys Mexicans, gays, dependents, unions, academics, simply by supporting them.”
If you’ve got proof of quid pro quo…why haven’t you let the Justice Department know? Buying votes is illegal. If you don’t report it, YOU are just as guilty.
PJ
February 20th, 2013
3:09 pm
Off topic
Former Sen. Pete Domenici (R) of New Mexico revealed Wednesday that he fathered a child outside his marriage three decades ago with the daughter of another senator.
Family values party?
LM
February 20th, 2013
3:09 pm
Newt is just so full of newt.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 20th, 2013
3:12 pm
transparency = teleprompter = golf = birth certificate = beghanzi = fast & furious
Algebra for cons
Paul
February 20th, 2013
3:13 pm
Here’s the other angle to the story: when left to ” the Republican tradition of freedom and grassroots small-town conservatism” today’s Republicans cannot nominate a person with the broad appeal to become president.
Period.
Morality?
February 20th, 2013
3:14 pm
JAY – Can you say GEORGE SOROS ? TERM LIMITS for Congress and a BALANCED BUDGET amendment to the Constitution will cut down on the influence of billionaires. But you don’t want that so why complain about billionaires (on BOTH sides) influencing elections? Oh – and let’s not forget the “Oracle of Omaha” – the lefts best friend outside of George Soros – Warren Buffet.
Rubberman
February 20th, 2013
3:15 pm
Perhaps this will cause Wingfield to reconsider his vote for the Newt. Then again, Wingfield’s head is so far up his derriere (Wingfield’s, that is, not Newt’s), that he (Wingfield, that is, not Newt) is far up fecal creak without a paddle, so to say.
Jimbo
February 20th, 2013
3:15 pm
George Soros agrees with Newt.
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
3:16 pm
“Can you say GEORGE SOROS ?”
Can you say “Where’s your proof that Soros did ANYTHING like what Adelson did?”
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
February 20th, 2013
3:17 pm
“Newt opposes billionaires buying elections!” But he’s never been against Billionaires buying him.
JohnnyReb
February 20th, 2013
3:17 pm
Geez Jay, you gotta let this thing against Newt go. It’s sure to be causing you grief, even subconsciously.
And, there is a big difference between backing with money a specific candidate, versus giving money to pick multiple candidates.
Rove points out his PAC is not against Tea Party candidates and did, in fact, give many dollars, if not millions, to some Tea Party backed candidates. His whole objective, according to him, are to prevent primary winners of the caliber you love to write about.
DownInAlbany
February 20th, 2013
3:18 pm
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
3:03 pm
Sure you did!
Morality?
February 20th, 2013
3:18 pm
QUIZ of the DAY. Who is the most recent Prez to enter office as a “non” millionaire and become a multi millionaire in less than 4 years? WHY THAT WOULD BE YOUR FAVORITE MEMBER OF THE EVIL 1% aka Barrack Hussein Obama.
Class of '98
February 20th, 2013
3:18 pm
I agree with the sentiment of this column and can’t quibble.
Now let’s discuss the voting station worker in Ohio who was arrested for voting multiple times, and supposedly even claimed that she didn’t know it was illegal. Gee, I wonder who she voted for?!?
http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/20/ohio-poll-worker-may-have-voted-6-times-for-obama-because-theres-no-such-thing-as-voter-fraud/
getalife
February 20th, 2013
3:19 pm
“Newt Blasts Rove Plan: ‘Repugnant To Every Conservative’ ” HP
Love it
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
3:20 pm
“Sure you did!”
Actually, yes I did. I listen to the speech and I set aside anything I know that politician is not capable of doing if elected.
Matti
February 20th, 2013
3:20 pm
Bless his heart. Well, you know, if he had one.
DownInAlbany
February 20th, 2013
3:20 pm
Perhaps this will cause Bookman to reconsider his vote for the Obama. Then again, Bookman’s head is so far up his derriere (Bookman’s, that is, not Obama’s), that he (Bookman, that is, not Obama) is far up fecal creak without a paddle, so to say.
There, fixed that for you!
JohnnyReb
February 20th, 2013
3:21 pm
“And, there is a big difference between backing with money a specific candidate, versus giving money to pick multiple candidates.”
That did not come out exactly as I intended.
The tradional way is to give money to the candidates you back, not give money to a PAC who will try to control the primary winners. That may be 6 of one, half dozen of the other. Nonetheless, it is not traditional.
Class of '98
February 20th, 2013
3:21 pm
LOL, I love the note at the bottom of the article about the multiple-voter lady in Ohio. It sums up pretty much every response I will get about this:
“Investigating voter fraud is racist. Why are you a racist, racist? Also: racism.”
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
3:22 pm
“Who is the most recent Prez to enter office as a “non” millionaire and become a multi millionaire in less than 4 years?”
And that’s important how?
JohnnyReb
February 20th, 2013
3:23 pm
What do you mean, investigate voter fraud. Everyone knows there is NO fraud, only Republicans trying to stop poor people from voting. It’s terrible, I tell you.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 20th, 2013
3:24 pm
SOROS/BLOOMBERG, ET AL
getalife
February 20th, 2013
3:24 pm
The sc will make unlimited bribes from individuals legal too.
alito mouths not true but it is.
Morality?
February 20th, 2013
3:25 pm
It’s not like the LEFT doesn’t have an equal or greater history of being bought and paid for by “campaign” dollars and lobbyists and special interests. All you hypocrites on here complaining about the Repubs getting “funded” by billionaires need to GET REAL and look in the mirror. YOU keep voting incompetent and corrupt people back in to office and then you complain? The LEFT wrote the book on corruption.
Darwin
February 20th, 2013
3:25 pm
Jay – Your job is too easy!
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
3:25 pm
“Now let’s discuss the voting station worker in Ohio who was arrested for voting multiple times”
What’s to discuss? She broke the law, she got caught. End of story.
mike
February 20th, 2013
3:26 pm
I did not read where this article was about President Obama. I guess there are those who have to get their digs in anyway they can. Newt seems to change what ever way the current conservative conversation goes.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 20th, 2013
3:26 pm
Obama: “800,000 PENTAGON LAYOFFS”
Good grief !! How many people do work for the Pentagon??
There NEEDS to be some layoffs !
Granny Godzilla
February 20th, 2013
3:26 pm
Newt Gingrich
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Basically a pillowcase full of piffle.
Matti
February 20th, 2013
3:26 pm
“Who is the most recent Prez to enter office as a “non” millionaire and become a multi millionaire in less than 4 years?”
Interesting. The next question would be HOW did he make those millions? Clever real estate and back room banking deals like our Governor? Stock in defense corporations that get cushy no-bid contracts to guard and build stuff in countries we invade though they never attacked us? Life-long investor buddies who set him up in companies and tell him when to bail on his stock?
Oh wait… he wrote a book about Hope that millions of different people purchased of their own free will.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 20th, 2013
3:27 pm
So basically it appears that our conned friends are just responding to Newt: “Shut up, we’re okay with billionaires financing a boss to pick our candidates”. That’s what all the deflection and nonsense is about?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 20th, 2013
3:27 pm
Morality?
Don’t confuse Jay.
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
3:27 pm
“It’s not like the LEFT doesn’t have an equal or greater history of being bought and paid for by “campaign” dollars and lobbyists and special interests”
Sure, but to date they haven’t been stupid enough or hypocritical enough to bitch about it while doing that.
getalife
February 20th, 2013
3:28 pm
“Good grief !! How many people do work for the Pentagon??”
All defense jobs.
They wasted trillions on nation building other countries.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 20th, 2013
3:29 pm
Matti, bootstraps are okay…but a black man in the WH is not there to pull them up.
JohnnyReb
February 20th, 2013
3:29 pm
Ladies and Gentlemen. With all due respect to your president, he gets the BS award of the year.
The sequestor will reduce the money over ten years by slightly more than what was allocated for Northeast hurrican relief, yet your champion goes on National TV to convince everyone that first responders, teachers, and who knows what will be without jobs. That parents will have to find baby sitters, etc., etc, cry, cry, cry.
The sequestor comparitively speaking is like taking 25 cents from someone making 100K per year.
He signed the bill in 2011, knew it was coming. Was far it before he was against it. Now the world will end.
And you guys believe in and love this guy?
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
3:30 pm
NEEEEWWWWWWWWTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Morality?
February 20th, 2013
3:32 pm
Obama was hired to do a job – not use company time to make millions – and he has not done the job he promised to do. The Fed Debt is getting closer to the Cliff after every putt on company time. By law we are supposed to have a proposed budget from the Prez – not going to ever happen on Obama’s watch.
Morality?
February 20th, 2013
3:32 pm
And why is what Newt thinks important NOW?
JohnnyReb
February 20th, 2013
3:33 pm
When it comes to big money controlling elections, turn no further than to the sugar daddy of the left George Soros.
Now, excuse me while I clean my keyboard after typing his name and get back to work.
getalife
February 20th, 2013
3:33 pm
reb,
The sequester is the “or else” trying to force congress to do their jobs.
congress will cave and the turtle will come to the rescue at the last moment.
Granny Godzilla
February 20th, 2013
3:33 pm
Morality?
February 20th, 2013
3:25 pm
It’s not like the LEFT doesn’t have an equal or greater history of being bought and paid for by “campaign” dollars and lobbyists and special interests. All you hypocrites on here complaining about the Repubs getting “funded” by billionaires need to GET REAL and look in the mirror. YOU keep voting incompetent and corrupt people back in to office and then you complain? The LEFT wrote the book on corruption.
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The same? the EXACT same? Really?
AS you claim to KNOW that, please provide the details.
WHO got 30 million besides Newt?
C’mon.
Scrivener
February 20th, 2013
3:34 pm
Jay picks up on dinky stories he can find that are perceived as negative towards republicans but disregards the larger stories in the news such as the one cited by other posters here about the poll worker voting six times for Obama and seeing nothing wrong with it. Jay, who consistently has charged that there is no widespread voter fraud, will overlook these stories, to be sure. And I won’t hold my breath to see if he comments on the democrat in Colorado who thinks women with guns who are afraid of being raped will lose their cool and shoot the place up. Citing that story wouldn’t fit Jay’s template that it’s republicans who are waging a war against women. Here’s the link:
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/02/19/colorado-gop-want-joe-salazars-rape-comments-condemned/
Granny Godzilla
February 20th, 2013
3:35 pm
Morality?
February 20th, 2013
3:32 pm
Obama was hired to do a job – not use company time to make millions –
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Best hurry and alert Amazon …they keep right on selling his books….making him $$$$
QUick…before he earns another damn penny!
silly silly silly
Granny Godzilla
February 20th, 2013
3:36 pm
Anybody here…ANYBODY AT ALL
Approve of voter fraud by ANYBODY?
A show of hands?
silly silly silly
Granny Godzilla
February 20th, 2013
3:37 pm
Lots of accusations not a single attempt at proof…
silly silly silly
Mr. Snarky
February 20th, 2013
3:38 pm
Newt’s opposed to billionaires buying elections where he doesn’t win. Otherwise, he’s cool with it.
Morality?
February 20th, 2013
3:38 pm
JAY – another slow news day from the Obama administration? Could it be because they are a do nothing Congress and Prez when it comes to the economy and reducing the Fed debt? YES!
Paul
February 20th, 2013
3:38 pm
0311
“Obama: “800,000 PENTAGON LAYOFFS”
Good grief !! How many people do work for the Pentagon??
There NEEDS to be some layoffs !”
Congrats, 0311.
You’ve managed to have all the liberals, progressives and free thinkers on this blog agree with you.
And have the cons despise what you wrote for wanting to weaken America’s national security.
Again… congrats!
Jay
February 20th, 2013
3:38 pm
Scrivener, the repeat voter in Ohio ought to get prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. But really, the GOP response to that story — Look! We got us one! There’s one rightchere!!” — says it all.
JohnnyReb
February 20th, 2013
3:38 pm
getalife – if the repubs cave, a pox on all their houses. Either they stand up to Obama now or they might as well fold the tent and go home.
The only way there will be a compromise with Obama is that Repubs agree to increase taxes. Obama wont’ compromise on anything else.
The duplicity of Obama is head shaking to the point of nausea, yet the Left and legacy media just let him keep doing it.
getalife
February 20th, 2013
3:39 pm
BTW, the 800,000 lose one day of pay for 22 weeks.
getalife
February 20th, 2013
3:41 pm
“Either they stand up to Obama now or they might as well fold the tent and go home.”
I agree, the gop should surrender and get out of the way of business.
JohnnyReb
February 20th, 2013
3:41 pm
“BTW, the 800,000 lose one day of pay for 22 weeks.”
My money would be on them later receiving it back. We have a friend who works for the Feds. The last time he was put on furlough for something like this, he ended up getting the money and did not work.
indigo
February 20th, 2013
3:41 pm
Some people are not capable of being deeply embarrassed or of feeling any shame.
Morality?
February 20th, 2013
3:42 pm
YOU BRAIN DEAD ZOMBIES FOR OBAMA HAVE A NICE DAY! (smiley face patent applied for)
St Simons - he-ne-ha
February 20th, 2013
3:43 pm
Soros & Buffett
god, its like pavlov’s dogs
or the monkeys at the Jax zoo
Granny Godzilla
February 20th, 2013
3:43 pm
“Either they stand up to Obama now or they might as well fold the tent and go home.”
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Leave the tent….we’ll clean up the mess as always.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 20th, 2013
3:43 pm
Dreams of My father — Published 1995
Audacity of Hope — 2006
So now when was he “hired” as President?
Fred ™
February 20th, 2013
3:43 pm
getalife
February 20th, 2013
3:41 pm
“Either they stand up to Obama now or they might as well fold the tent and go home.”
I agree, the gop should surrender and get out of the way of business.
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Granny Godzilla
February 20th, 2013
3:44 pm
Morality?
February 20th, 2013
3:42 pm
YOU BRAIN DEAD ZOMBIES FOR OBAMA HAVE A NICE DAY! (smiley face patent applied for)
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Translation….no proof just piffle
JohnnyReb
February 20th, 2013
3:44 pm
Morality – our Moonbat friends are not zombies. They are instead lost sheep. Problem is, the lost flock has grown too large.
getalife
February 20th, 2013
3:45 pm
The way congress chose to “work” is nauseating with one gop self inflicted wound after another.
The majority are watching and they are sick of it too.
Get out of the way gop.
Reebok
February 20th, 2013
3:45 pm
Newt is beyond parody. He has made satire redundant.
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
3:45 pm
Well, since the deflectionistas want to discuss Ohio, seems that one of their defense contractors is looking to save the government money by self terminating their contract with Uncle Sugar.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/ohio-woman-claims-fired-obama-vote-18545562
I would have bet that no jackass was dumb enough to actually pull this crap, but I may have been proven wrong.
JohnnyReb
February 20th, 2013
3:45 pm
Granny, you might get those 501’s dirty doing cleanup !
JohnnyReb
February 20th, 2013
3:49 pm
One last observation, then I really do have to get back to work.
Biden is in the news stating he told his wife that if their house is broken into, grab the double barrel shotgun, go out on the deck and fire it. The intruders will go away.
Now, you guys can laugh that off as usual stating, oh, that’s just Joe. Yea, and that will be just Joe making dumb ass remarks and decisions if he was to be in contorol.
And, we should respect Obama. No, he chose Biden.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 20th, 2013
3:51 pm
Brosephus, I am surprised we have not seen more of those lawsuits. Perhaps the saving grace is a growing economy but it’s going to cause some fretting for HR departments at layoff time.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
3:52 pm
They are instead lost sheep. Problem is, the lost flock has grown too large.
Dittoheads say, “What?”
Granny Godzilla
February 20th, 2013
3:53 pm
JohnnyReb
February 20th, 2013
3:45 pm
Granny, you might get those 501’s dirty doing cleanup !
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100% cotton washes well, holds up to the tough stuff.
Erwin's cat
February 20th, 2013
3:53 pm
so Newt evolved
Granny Godzilla
February 20th, 2013
3:54 pm
JohnnyReb
And what is your problem with what the Vice President said?
Should she use an AK or a frying pan?
Jay
February 20th, 2013
3:54 pm
Getalife ….
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 20th, 2013
3:55 pm
In 2007, Obama and his wife made $4,238,165 according to his 2007 tax returns. Only $260,735 came from salaries and wages. The rest, over $4 million, came from his book royalties from Random House ($3,278,719) and a company called Dystel & Goderich ($815,971).
So much for the buffoonish claims that Obama entered the White House a “non” millionaire. What kind of “Morality” allows the posting of clear lies and nonsense. No wonder he posted and ran away.
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
3:56 pm
JReb
A shotgun is the weapon of choice for home defense. When you’re surrounded by woods and have no nearby neighbors as Joe explained, you CAN fire off a few rounds without fear of hurting an innocent neighbor. Even with my neighbors being less than 50 feet away, I would rather them fire off a shotgun blast instead of an AR-15. The whole overpenetration thing is possibly worse than replacing vinyl siding when it comes to hitting one of my daughters.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 20th, 2013
3:58 pm
Granny, well its clear that what Biden should have said was “act like you are in fear and shoot into that closed bathroom door cause you know how them crooks love to sit on the john for a read during a crime”.
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
4:01 pm
Keep
I honestly thought nobody would be that stupid. Hopefully, this is an isolated incident. If proven, I hope that everyone involved in the management and operation of that company get barred for life from even looking at a government contract. We’re supposed to be above and beyond such childish sh*t, but I guess that being a jackass is part of being American.
Native Atlantan
February 20th, 2013
4:03 pm
So….all Jay did was present comments made by Newt and declared the hypocrisy of those comments. Now we have the heads exploding all over rightlandia as they point fingers and say “…but u do it too”.
But as Doggone put it….”Sure, but to date they haven’t been stupid enough or hypocritical enough to bitch about it while doing that.”
Word…..
TBS
February 20th, 2013
4:03 pm
Keep
That is the same “morality” that has stated numerous times that Obama owns 4 or 5 homes.
TBS
February 20th, 2013
4:05 pm
Keep
And that he owns an island, timed the dotcom and housing bubbles just right, etc, etc.
He might be related to Rod Serling.
Rubberman
February 20th, 2013
4:05 pm
Um, DownInAlbany, how does your 320 relate to Newt blasting Rove? Or are you just miffed that my 315 was spot on?
In any event, Regressives never learn.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 20th, 2013
4:06 pm
Bro, I would have hoped so too but after the clownish of the last election with CEO making wild claims and demands, nothing surprises me. In their own echo chamber, they think it is one of their entitlements to demand that the “peons” vote as they demand.
JamVet
February 20th, 2013
4:06 pm
The shame of it all is that Mitt Romney sure could have used that woman’s vote in Ohio. (It might just have saved a nationally televised Karl Rove meltdown!)
williebkind
February 20th, 2013
4:07 pm
Well, tax the rich and cost 800,000 federal workers their jobs. Now that is leadership.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 20th, 2013
4:07 pm
TBS, now I remember why I normally scroll past him.
Abrazos
February 20th, 2013
4:08 pm
“What kind of “Morality” allows the posting of clear lies and nonsense. No wonder he posted and ran away.”
Clearly not a person who has ever read the Bible. That pesky ole 9th Commandment about not bearing false witness, and the 7 things the Lord hates in Proverbs 6:16-19 in which “a lying tongue” and “a false witness who pours out lies” are “an abomination to Him”.
williebkind
February 20th, 2013
4:09 pm
How much was Obama worth prior to his election as President and how much is he worth now. The figure is staggering! I did not know that golfing and vacationing paid so well.
JohnnyReb
February 20th, 2013
4:10 pm
OK, I honestly did a little work, but must respond to Granny and Brosephus.
First, I have a regular shotgun, like for bird hunting, a tactical shotgun for home defense, a 9MM pistol, and a S&W 15 MP which is the dreaded assault rifle. A big concern in home defense is missing the target, thus the short barrel shotgun.
Problem with Biden’s BS is, what makes him think during a home invasion his wife, or even him and his wife, could make it out to the deck before the intruders get them? Secret service aside, of course.
He can’t. His remarks are ridiculous like too many things he states.
Granny Godzilla
February 20th, 2013
4:10 pm
williebkind
February 20th, 2013
4:09 pm
How much was Obama worth prior to his election as President and how much is he worth now. The figure is staggering! I did not know that golfing and vacationing paid so well.
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.snicker
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 20th, 2013
4:11 pm
williebkind, tell me, do you even taste the bait when you swallow the hook like that?
Granny Godzilla
February 20th, 2013
4:12 pm
JohnnyReb
February 20th, 2013
4:10 pm
OK, I honestly did a little work, but must respond to Granny and Brosephus.
First, I have a regular shotgun, like for bird hunting, a tactical shotgun for home defense, a 9MM pistol, and a S&W 15 MP which is the dreaded assault rifle. A big concern in home defense is missing the target, thus the short barrel shotgun.
Problem with Biden’s BS is, what makes him think during a home invasion his wife, or even him and his wife, could make it out to the deck before the intruders get them? Secret service aside, of course.
He can’t. His remarks are ridiculous like too many things he states.
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chuckle
Granny Godzilla
February 20th, 2013
4:13 pm
Did JohnnyReb just make a case for gun control?
JohnnyReb
February 20th, 2013
4:17 pm
A comment on Obama becoming a millionaire.
It is very apparent he enjoys being one while hell bent to prevent others from becoming one.
When he talks taxing the rich folks, he really means taxing people with high income. High income does not always mean rich.
There are two kinds of rich people: those with millions of assests, you know the ones taxed at 15% of which he has done nothing, and those who have high income who are dependent on that income to be rich – if their income goes down they are not rich anymore; they don’t have the millions in assests.
Obama is taxing more the people who are not truly millionaires. The bluecollars who have worked their way to high income. His Wall Street and Hollywood friends have not been touched as to paying more taxes.
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
4:17 pm
Keep
Maybe I put too much faith in my fellow Americans to rise above the bullsh*t. I simply did not expect anybody to follow through.
Fred ™
February 20th, 2013
4:17 pm
Problem with Biden’s BS is, what makes him think during a home invasion his wife, or even him and his wife, could make it out to the deck before the intruders get them? Secret service aside, of course.
Wow are you nuts bro? How are these folks home invading? By Star Trek Transporter?
I’ll admit Biden’s comment was a bit kookie, does he make many that aren’t, but yours was just butt stupid. You are sitting there with your wife and then all of a sudden 5 home invaders magically appear in your living room?
Just damn, you even THINK for a second about the crap you post before you hit send? I would not only opine that you don’t but would also suggest that you DO. Us thinkers aren’t FOXBOTS bro. I keep telling you that………
getalife
February 20th, 2013
4:18 pm
“what makes him think during a home invasion his wife, or even him and his wife, could make it out to the deck before the intruders get them? ”
Security cameras.
Fred ™
February 20th, 2013
4:19 pm
JohnnyReb
February 20th, 2013
4:17 pm
A comment on Obama becoming a millionaire.
It is very apparent he enjoys being one while hell bent to prevent others from becoming one.
When he talks taxing the rich folks, he really means taxing people with high income. High income does not always mean rich.
There are two kinds of rich people: those with millions of assests, you know the ones taxed at 15% of which he has done nothing, and those who have high income who are dependent on that income to be rich – if their income goes down they are not rich anymore; they don’t have the millions in assests.
Obama is taxing more the people who are not truly millionaires. The bluecollars who have worked their way to high income. His Wall Street and Hollywood friends have not been touched as to paying more taxes.
++++++++++++++++++++++++
I know that sounded good to you when Rush said it or you saw it on FOX , but to me that was……. nonsense. Could you break that down from emotionalism and fright talk to actual logic and facts so stupid people like me could understand?
Fred ™
February 20th, 2013
4:20 pm
Wow. I have to go. I’ll say something “rude” to one of these dumbasses and Jay will have to banish me.
The level of stupid gets worse by the day. How desperate ARE these people?
JohnnyReb
February 20th, 2013
4:21 pm
Fred, as usual you can’t keep comments in context and project scenarios applicable to the discussion.
Biden telling his wife to run out on the deck and fire the shotgun so that invaders will go away is stupid, ridiculous, and unworthy of the second in line of command. If you can’t see that, I’m sorry for you.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 20th, 2013
4:21 pm
Paul:
“And have the cons despise what you wrote for wanting to weaken America’s national security.
Again… congrats!”
You’re welcome and you know I “call ‘em like I see ‘em”.
I’m sure you recall I was in the military and then in the federal government for 34 years.
There’s not an agency out there (some much more than others) that couldn’t substantially reduced their numbers …………. all that would be required is for the one’s still left to actually WORK their 8 hours a day !!!
Add to that the tremendous waste, fraud and abuse in many agencies and ………….. well, you get the picture.
td
February 20th, 2013
4:24 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 20th, 2013
3:12 pm
transparency = teleprompter = golf = birth certificate = beghanzi = fast & furious
Algebra for cons
Let me help you put this in a true equation format:
Teleprompter + golf + transparency(begehanzi+fast & furious + birth certificate) = Democratic dream President
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
4:24 pm
JReb
People of means can and do install perimeter alarms. If they’re living in the countryside, I’m willing to bet they have the best security system to cover their entire property and not just the home. There are instances where one can hear an attempted break in and respond before the person makes it completely inside the home. I’m sure you remember the old advice about dragging the body across the threshold before the police arrive, right?
Either way, you come through just as I would expect you to. Some of y’all act so afraid or angry at the left that I imagine y’all walking around with two right shoes on simply to avoid anything left. Hell, I wouldn’t be surprised if y’all were afraid to make left turns while driving.
getalife
February 20th, 2013
4:25 pm
The gop are weak on national security.
Fact.
Make the ads dems.
JohnnyReb
February 20th, 2013
4:26 pm
OK, Fred, this is just for you.
True millionaires have assests that produce capital gains. That’s money paid to them for their investment. They are taxed at 15%. Obama has done nothing to address this group on paying more taxes. His Wall Street and Hollywood buddies are in this group.
Income dependent rich do not have large investments that produce capital gains payments to them. Instead, they have high income, perhaps putting them in the 1%. If their income goes down, they unlike the capital gains rich, move from rich to middle class or lower. Obama just raised their tax rates to almost 40%.
Now, if you can’t understand that, enroll in economics 99 or whatever they call it now.
St Simons - he-ne-ha
February 20th, 2013
4:27 pm
are JReb & Rush advocating higher asset/wealth taxes?
hell yes, now we’re cookin with gas. I like 50%, how bout you?
i could go higher, but you’d hafta talk me into it..
Scrivener
February 20th, 2013
4:28 pm
“Scrivener, the repeat voter in Ohio ought to get prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. But really, the GOP response to that story — Look! We got us one! There’s one rightchere!!” — says it all.”
That’s your response, Jay? Seriously? I don’t think you could be much more juvenile if you tried. The response to this latest voting crime is that this is exactly what people have been telling you and others for years. There is a ton of voter fraud going on, and at least one way to deal with some of it is voter ID, which you all love to call “voter suppression.”
TBS
February 20th, 2013
4:29 pm
“Some of y’all act so afraid or angry at the left that I imagine y’all walking around with two right shoes on simply to avoid anything left.”
Corns be damned, only thing needs to turn left are at the NASCAR track
JohnnyReb
February 20th, 2013
4:30 pm
Brosephus – I love left turns; that’s all those NASCAR guys do!
Don’t be ridiculous on the guns. Just because people own firearms does not mean they are overly paranoid. And just to ensure you did not miss it, I agreed with you on concern of home defense with a pistol or riffle. That’s why we have the short barrel shotgun.
We have what I think is a very good home alarm system, but not perimeter alarm. I may check into that, although living in what is almost the woods casues me concern of animals setting it off. It’s like our home alarm – no motion sensors due to the cats.
dixie normous
February 20th, 2013
4:31 pm
But voting 12 times for barack is ok with bookman.
curious
February 20th, 2013
4:31 pm
Newt for Pope!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 20th, 2013
4:31 pm
td, you proved my point. Thanks. Don’t forget the new Fox conspiracy:
Fox News warned on Wednesday that Al Jazeera is set to “infiltrate” the United States amid dire warnings about “sleeper cells” in the Muslim suburbs of Detroit.
Host Megan Kelly began a segment about Al Jazeera’s expansion into the American television market by raising questions about the network’s “real anti-American bias.” Contributor Lisa Daftari agreed, veering into blatant Islamophobic fear-mongering in the process:
DAFTARI: The point is they want to differentiate themselves from their sister network, but at the same time, it’s the same thing. They’re having the same type of coverage. They’re apparently expanding to eight cities, including Detroit, Michigan. Detroit, Michigan is a large ex-pat community of Muslim-Americans and sleeper cells have been detected. You can Google this, you can find out all this information. So if you’re trying to set yourself apart the Qatari petro-dollars are backing this, you’re still developing in this area where the sleeper cells have been detected. They’re going to have do do much more to prove to me that they’re different from their sister network.
By the way, who is the 2d largest shareholder of Fox after Murdoch?
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
4:32 pm
Scrivener
And just enlighten us all how an ID law would stop someone on the inside from circumventing the system? Seems as though you have all the answers, so break off some knowledge for a brother if you don’t mind.
TBS
February 20th, 2013
4:32 pm
Reb
The duals tomorrow. IMO, the best racing of the week
JohnnyReb
February 20th, 2013
4:33 pm
St Simons – I don’t know about Rush, but for me if taxes are to be raised the capital gains folks should participate. I work my rear off (when not blogging) to make high income. They on the otherhand don’t really work.
dixie normous
February 20th, 2013
4:33 pm
newsflash: sequester was obamas idea now he campaigns against it.
H. E. Pennypacker
February 20th, 2013
4:33 pm
JohnnyReb,
Your point on capital gains tax rates is belied by the fact that rates just increased from 15% to 20% on January 1, a higher rate and percentage increase than felt on earned income.
JohnnyReb
February 20th, 2013
4:36 pm
Pennypacker – thanks, I did not know capital gains rates went up. Regardless, that jump to almost 40% will hurt. And, my point still sticks, I think. Obama is taxing success in his Socialist efforts.
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
4:39 pm
JReb
Looking forward to some left turns tomorrow myself!!! I caught you on the home defense, and won’t disagree with you at all. The reason I brought up the system is that I’ve been looking into that area to start up my own business. I’m not gonna protect y’all forever. At some point, I’m doing my own sh*t.
I’m far from paranoid about guns. I see them in the same light that a plumber sees a pipe wrench. Check into systems with cameras and/or sensors to avoid animals. Give me a few years, and I might be the one to sell you one.
godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need
February 20th, 2013
4:40 pm
If Biden’s wife runs out on the deck with a shotgun, she’s liable to go down in a volley of Secret Service fire.
I wonder if Biden has instructed his SS detail to carry their grandpappys’ double barrel shotguns, cause that’s all you need to scare off the bad guys.
pete
February 20th, 2013
4:42 pm
I just paid $3.82 for a gallon of regular unleaded. I am expecting Bookman to write an article in the next week or so blaming Bush for that as well.
Jack ®
February 20th, 2013
4:42 pm
I’ll come back tomorrow when Bookman quits giggling and being silly.
Oscar
February 20th, 2013
4:43 pm
Newt is right , at least Adelson was not smart enough to pick the right candidate.
Oscar
February 20th, 2013
4:45 pm
Petee – you only bought one galleon. You should have bought more and asked for a volumn discount.
Granny Godzilla
February 20th, 2013
4:45 pm
“True millionaires have assests that produce capital gains. That’s money paid to them for their investment. They are taxed at 15%. Obama has done nothing to address this group on paying more taxes.!!”
Good Lord, Johnny Reb.
Really?
Should he have down it by dictate?
That is EXACTLY what he has been wanting to do…..
Who do you think is obstructing such action?
geez
pete
February 20th, 2013
4:45 pm
Holy Obama…800,000 Pentagon lay offs? Bookman is now hard at work trying to figure out how to put the blame for that on Bush as well.
Granny Godzilla
February 20th, 2013
4:46 pm
Say Buffett rule to JohnnyReb and he looks for the salad bar.
Marty Huggins'
February 20th, 2013
4:46 pm
What if the intruders are on the balcony or watching it?
One would assume that a target as high in status as him would require more than one intruded.
Also what happens to all of the shot she randomly shoots up into the air.
No wonder the guy wants gun control he understands just how irresponsible people act with them 1st hand.
How sad he is our second in command.
Oscar
February 20th, 2013
4:47 pm
Two blasts from a 12 guage double barrwl will scare off all the bad guys every time.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 20th, 2013
4:47 pm
Headline (CBS): “Pregnant teen wins lawsuit against parents forcing her into abortion”
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57570359/pregnant-teen-wins-lawsuit-against-parents-forcing-her-into-abortion/
NOW WAIT A MINUTE !
If parents have no right to keep a teenager from getting an abortion why should they have the right to maker her get one ? Why is this even in the courts ?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
4:47 pm
…and at least one way to deal with some of it is voter ID…
And how much are you willing to spend – on a per head basis – to produce and distribute this ID that can not only be used for voting purposes, but top address the Immigration problem as well?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
4:48 pm
“to” not “top.”
Krystal'sBalls
February 20th, 2013
4:48 pm
Really Newt??
He didn’t seem to have a problem with said money when he was running in the GOP primary. In fact, it is how he picked up his first primary win. Another example of how these guys think the American public is stupid and actually believe they’ve developed some sort of moral compass as they try to pull the “Men In Black”-look-at-this-red-dot-walla-boom! thingy.
Newt is trying to step outside of the “crazy” now, almost as if he has to hose himself down to the get the stink of a cheap whore off of himself. Sorry Newt, you’re tethered to that whole thing now.
Oscar
February 20th, 2013
4:49 pm
The Vice President is not second in command He is only in commnd of what time he has lunch. Until the President dies.
bookman parrot
February 20th, 2013
4:49 pm
to Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
3:16 pm
are you really that naive
BHO and Democrats get large sums from rich people and unfortunately foreign funnelled sources to boot.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 20th, 2013
4:49 pm
“I wonder if Biden has instructed his SS detail to carry their grandpappys’ double barrel shotguns, cause that’s all you need to scare off the bad guys.”
No but they have those very short barreled 12 guage pumps which are great !!
Marty Huggins'
February 20th, 2013
4:50 pm
Oscar
February 20th, 2013
4:47 pm
Or give them a great idea of your location or guarentee return fire.
Oscar
February 20th, 2013
4:51 pm
Newt has now become an elder statesmn. Dispensing the wisdom gained from his life of making foolish mistakes. Warning us not to do the same.
getalife
February 20th, 2013
4:51 pm
What if I was trump?
I would sue any blogger that said something bad about me.
josef
February 20th, 2013
4:51 pm
Okay, I’ve already gotten put into moderation for saying what my opinion really is, so I best not say anything about the characters mentioned above. Even I’d probably feel constrained to censor.
JamVet
February 20th, 2013
4:52 pm
There is a ton of voter fraud going on…
I would suspect that for a highly informed person such as yourself that it would be child’s play and would only take you about two or three minutes to provide sources that document this ton of voter fraud.
But take your time; I’m very interested in this topic and would love to see your ton of verifiable evidence, regarding the ton of voter fraud…
Oscar
February 20th, 2013
4:52 pm
The second part of Joe’s advice, after you blast twice, duck back inside and hide in the closet.
Marty Huggins'
February 20th, 2013
4:53 pm
Oscar
February 20th, 2013
4:49 pm
No you can look it up he is the second in command of the executive branch.
josef
February 20th, 2013
4:54 pm
getalife and Brocephus…
See where Obama is revisiting arming the Syrian rebels?
Scrivener
February 20th, 2013
4:55 pm
Brocephus: “And just enlighten us all how an ID law would stop someone on the inside from circumventing the system? Seems as though you have all the answers, so break off some knowledge for a brother if you don’t mind.”
Gee, where in my post did I say I had all the answers? Oh, that’s right. You made that up. If you bother to read the articles about this, much of this woman’s fraud was done by voting for other people and voting absentee. Are you actually trying to pretend that you don’t realize people actually show up and vote under another person’s identity and that checking ID would help reduce that? Is that what you’re trying to pretend you can’t figure out, Bro?
barking frog
February 20th, 2013
4:55 pm
getalife
What if I was trump?
I would sue any blogger that said something bad about me.
………………………………………………………………….
and you would go broke just on filing fees….
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
4:57 pm
godless @ 4:40
I know a few people who worked as security for Morris Dees and his family. One of the stories I remember is that, there was an alarm at their home while his wife and kids were there while he wasn’t. My friend who was there that night said that she beat them to the door, and she was armed with a shotgun. They had to talk her down and allow them to do the job they were hired to do.
I doubt that the Secret Service would let Dr. Biden deal with any alarms, but one has to remember that she’s only had that protection for around 5 years now. There is nothing more dangerous than a mother protecting her kids.
getalife
February 20th, 2013
4:58 pm
and you would go broke just on filing fees….
I would declare bankruptcy again.
Where is Kam with my yellow card?
Logical Dude
February 20th, 2013
4:59 pm
Newt: I am unalterably opposed to a bunch of billionaires financing a boss to pick candidates in 50 states.
Captain Renault: I’m shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!
kayaker 71
February 20th, 2013
4:59 pm
Interesting story in the AJC regarding the newly discovered Lobster Nebula, part of the constellation Scorpio, only a mere 8,000 light years from earth. Pictures are beautiful. Wonder if there are any liberals there?
JohnnyReb
February 20th, 2013
4:59 pm
Actually, Granny, I stopped for a cookie.
Pennypacker set me straight on capital gains going up from 15 to 20%. I acknowledged. Try to keep up.
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
5:00 pm
Also what happens to all of the shot she randomly shoots up into the air.
Birdshot doesn’t fall at the same velocity as a lead round. I’ve had birdshot rain down on me before. While it doesn’t hurt, it’s scary as hell to realize how close to an active shotgun you are.
————–
josef
I had not checked that out. I’m not keen on that idea myself, but I don’t have the inside intelligence to make an informed decision. I leave that stuff to the professionals.
JohnnyReb
February 20th, 2013
5:00 pm
joseph – he’s only 60,000 souls too late.
getalife
February 20th, 2013
5:01 pm
“See where Obama is revisiting arming the Syrian rebels?”
Yeah, assad is shooting scud missiles while the rest of Syria is business as usual.
A very slow civil war but the rebels are hanging in there.
Look before I leap...
February 20th, 2013
5:01 pm
“No you can look it up he is the second in command of the executive branch.”
The Vice President has two constitutionally mandated responsibilities:
1. Preside over the US Senate
2. Have a heartbeat
Jay
February 20th, 2013
5:01 pm
Scrivener, it appears as though every extra vote that Ohio woman cast was through absentee balloting. So explain again how voter ID would help?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
5:02 pm
getalife
I didn’t see that so much as a yellow card, but as a stern talking to by the ref.
Granny Godzilla
February 20th, 2013
5:03 pm
JohnnyReb
I am so proud you learned something new!
Good for you big guy, good for you!
Seriously.
Now, why did it only go to 20%?
I’ll check back with you tomorrow….gotta make dinner.
dixie normous
February 20th, 2013
5:05 pm
at least bookman is now admitting obama won by fraud. the country lost, obama and those living off of our work won.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
5:05 pm
Scrivener, it appears as though every extra vote that Ohio woman cast was through absentee balloting.
Ruh, roh.
Absentee ballots, that’s a conservative thingie.
JamVet
February 20th, 2013
5:05 pm
Kam,
He got on getalife for giving someone the business!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDJy-QBXmaU
josef
February 20th, 2013
5:06 pm
BROSEPHUS
My take is that he’s getting his ducks in a row for a big meeting coming up…
dixie normous
February 20th, 2013
5:06 pm
Two blasts from a 12 guage double barrwl will scare off all the bad guys every time.
And if it dont, you are out of ammo.
Marty Huggins'
February 20th, 2013
5:06 pm
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
5:00 pm
Lead shot will break any glass it hits it also chips car paint pretty bad.
But guess if its not your car……..
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
5:06 pm
… those living off of our work won.
Haliburton says, “What?”
dixie normous
February 20th, 2013
5:07 pm
biden proves every day he is the second biggest idiot in DC. Second only to obama.
JamVet
February 20th, 2013
5:07 pm
…bama won by fraud. the country lost, obama and those living off of our work won.
dixie, you are my hero.
Don’t ever change.
Certainly not before 2014 anyway!
JohnnyReb
February 20th, 2013
5:08 pm
The City must have gotten the quotes on turning the GA Dome into something the Falcons like from an Angie’s List contractor. WSB radio reports the council concluded it more costly to fix the dome than to build the Falcons a convertible. That’s really hard to believe. But not surprising.
In a related report, the council spent quite a bit of time to be ensured minority contractors would get the new stadium work. When will that sorta thinking stop? The lowest price for the best work should get the bid, regardless of skin color.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 20th, 2013
5:08 pm
Shotgun !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVU5JyMI6BQ
RB from Gwinnett
February 20th, 2013
5:09 pm
“Holy Obama…800,000 Pentagon lay offs? Bookman is now hard at work trying to figure out how to put the blame for that on Bush as well”
Hard at work???? All he has to do is wait for the memo from the DNC outlining how they’re going to blame everything on Republicans. Did you see my post on the last thread with a link to an article from a NC paper that was almost identical to Jay’s post? Do you think that was by accident or do you think they got the same talking points memo from their masters?
getalife
February 20th, 2013
5:09 pm
“didn’t see that so much as a yellow card, but as a stern talking to by the ref.”
Dang, it has been a long time for a yellow card.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
5:09 pm
The lowest price for the best work should get the bid, regardless of skin color.
Haliburton’s no bid contract says, “What?”
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
5:09 pm
Scrivener: Gee, where in my post did I say I had all the answers? Oh, that’s right. You made that up.
No, generally when someone wants to deflect from the topic at hand, they generally have an idea of the problem AND a possible solution. I asked you that question to see if you were serious about discussing the voting issue or if you were simply flinging feces just for sh*ts and giggles. Based on your response, it appears that you’re almost out of sh*ts and giggles.
Obviously, you are very new around here. I have consistently provided proof for actual voter fraud whenever the discussion has came up. You may want to calm down a bit as one of my areas of interest is voter laws and how they affect people. I’ve probably done more research in this area than you have, but if you want to get beyond fingerpointing and sh*t throwing, I’m more than willing to have an intellectual discussion with you.
Once again I’ll ask, how can this particular case of voter fraud been stopped by the ID laws being pushed? Seems as the conservative/right/GOP logic dictates that Voter ID laws stop fraud. If you’re concerned about fraud, how do you stop something like this from being done by an insider?
As to voter fraud, here’s a site for you to read up on and enlighten yourself. I’ve provided this link here more times than I can count and/or remember.
http://votingrights.news21.com/article/election-fraud/
Common Sense is Uncommon
February 20th, 2013
5:09 pm
Is this the same thing as soliciting hundreds of millions of dollars from people who are then chastised as “greedy, evil, people who don’t pay their fair share” as Obama did and does?
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
5:11 pm
“BHO and Democrats get large sums from rich people”
And did I say they didn’t?
” and unfortunately foreign funnelled sources to boot.”
got proof?
RB from Gwinnett
February 20th, 2013
5:11 pm
If you live on the 34th floor of a downtown building, how does Biden’s advice work for you? Do you still go outside and blast away? Can you tell the cops it’s not an unlawful discharge of a firearm because it’s what the Vice President told you to do?
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
5:11 pm
“Newt has now become an elder statesmn”
Well, he’s become an elder anyway
комиссар (Occupation)
February 20th, 2013
5:12 pm
Newt Gingrich is the Id of the Republican party.
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
5:13 pm
Lead shot will break any glass it hits it also chips car paint pretty bad.
But guess if its not your car……..
And how far does lead shot from a shotgun blast travel when compared with the lead shot from an AR-15? Given that they are surrounded by woods, as Biden described, there shouldn’t be a neighbor’s car hit by lead shot from a shotgun blast, but then again, continue on and enlighten me on ballistics. I enjoy learning new stuff.
td
February 20th, 2013
5:13 pm
JamVet
February 20th, 2013
4:52 pm
There is a ton of voter fraud going on…
I would suspect that for a highly informed person such as yourself that it would be child’s play and would only take you about two or three minutes to provide sources that document this ton of voter fraud.
But take your time; I’m very interested in this topic and would love to see your ton of verifiable evidence, regarding the ton of voter fraud…
I gave you a lot more credit of being smarter then to make such a nonsense statement as above. Voter fraud has been proven as happening on a wide spread basis for years (way before Obama was first elected).
Your statement is the same as believing the government numbers in saying there is no waste in Medicare or only 2% fraud in the Food Stamp program.
getalife
February 20th, 2013
5:14 pm
It turns out, w giving the Pentagon a blank check was a really bad idea.
Jay
February 20th, 2013
5:14 pm
Gov. Rick Scott, Republican of Florida, announces his state wants the Medicaid expansion.
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
5:15 pm
If you live on the 34th floor of a downtown building, how does Biden’s advice work for you? Do you still go outside and blast away?
I don’t recall the recent spate of “stand your ground” laws having an exception for people living in apartments/buildings. If your life is threatened, are you not covered for defending yourself?
JamVet
February 20th, 2013
5:16 pm
Newt? Maybe an elderberry!
(Along with Goodbye Yellow Brick Road and this LP, this guy had one helluva 1973!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNSBrfjFKQw
getalife
February 20th, 2013
5:18 pm
“Gov. Rick Scott, Republican of Florida, announces his state wants the Medicaid expansion.”
Good for Florida.
dixie normous
February 20th, 2013
5:18 pm
i doubt the woman admitting to voting 12 times did so all by herself.
Marty Huggins'
February 20th, 2013
5:20 pm
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
5:13 pm
Did you feel the need to bring up an AR-15 for what dramatic effect.
I’m not an expert on ballistics have seen first hand what shot pellets can do to a car.
Still doesn’t change the fact only an idiot would condone shooting any firearm into the air.
I fully believe in gun safety and gun responsibility so to enlighten me would you show me any gun safety classes that recommend shooting any firearm into the air?
RB from Gwinnett
February 20th, 2013
5:20 pm
“Gov. Rick Scott, Republican of Florida, announces his state wants the Medicaid expansion.”
Looks like Florida would be a great place for all those 620,000 uninsured Georgians to go. Short drive, good weather, lots of beaches. See ya!!!
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
5:20 pm
“at least bookman is now admitting obama won by fraud”
Liar
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
5:20 pm
josef
There is that. I hate it when you make me wanna go read stuff!!
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
5:21 pm
“And if it dont, you are out of ammo”
Nope. Your gun is empty. You’d only be out of ammo if you had nothing left to put in the gun.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
February 20th, 2013
5:21 pm
Well, I kinda hoped Bookman wouldn’t take out after old Newt again. See, me and him are on personal terms. He sends me a e-mail about every two weeks. Something about something him and his wife are doing, I can’t figure it out.
The reason why I don’t ever answer is ., . . well, to tell the truth, I don’t want him around my wife. Matter of fact, I don’t want him around any other woman than his wife.
I don’t see why he keeps bugging me. Right now there’s this young fellow next door to Bookman—Kyle Wingnut or something like that—that come right out and endorsed Newt back when he was running for the nomination. Why don’t this young fellow offer his wife up to Newt and let Newt leave me alone?
Have a good night everybody.
getalife
February 20th, 2013
5:22 pm
“i doubt the woman admitting to voting 12 times did so all by herself.”
Did she say it to get her fifteen minutes or is there proof?
td
February 20th, 2013
5:22 pm
Jay
February 20th, 2013
5:01 pm
Scrivener, it appears as though every extra vote that Ohio woman cast was through absentee balloting. So explain again how voter ID would help?
And this is the reason absentee ballots should be only for people that can prove they can not make it to the polls to vote. While we are discussing fraud. The states that have these same day registration and voting without photo id is nothing more then allowing fraud at a level that can not be proven.
BTW: If you have no voter id then I could find out that my neighbors are not registered and then register for them, show up at a poll and claim to be them and then vote under their name. How do you stop this?
For the record, I own a condo in PCB and was sent an absentee ballot there and then voted in Georgia. I could have voted twice and no one would have never known the difference.
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
5:22 pm
“Gov. Rick Scott, Republican of Florida, announces his state wants the Medicaid expansion”
And just that quick he becomes a RINO!
JamVet
February 20th, 2013
5:23 pm
Empty claims are a dime a dozen td, intelligent discussion involve people being able to show me their ton of evidence, in this case, of voter fraud.
And if you cannot produce any at all (much less a ton), that is fine too. (Because we both know that is what is going to happen, right?)
For the Python fans here:
I mean, if I went around saying I was an Emperor because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, people would put me away!
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
5:24 pm
“i doubt the woman admitting to voting 12 times did so all by herself.”
Which? Vote or admit?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
5:26 pm
The states that have these same day registration and voting without photo id is nothing more then allowing fraud at a level that can not be proven.
BTW: If you have no voter id then…
And how much are you willing to spend – on a per head basis – to produce and distribute an ID that can be used not only for voting, but to address the problem of illegal immigrants?
Madmax
February 20th, 2013
5:26 pm
NEWSFLASH – Obama “I will veto any attempt to repeal the sequester” (but I’ll blame the Republicans for it, snicker)
td
February 20th, 2013
5:26 pm
RB from Gwinnett
February 20th, 2013
5:20 pm
“Gov. Rick Scott, Republican of Florida, announces his state wants the Medicaid expansion.”
Looks like Florida would be a great place for all those 620,000 uninsured Georgians to go. Short drive, good weather, lots of beaches. See ya!!!
They can not move to Florida because they drug test down there.
Jefferson
February 20th, 2013
5:26 pm
Your drinking buddy Kyle endorsed the Newt, white liquor ?
Look before I leap...
February 20th, 2013
5:27 pm
“i doubt the woman admitting to voting 12 times did so all by herself.”
You lose a lot of credibility when you can’t tell the difference between 6 and 12.
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
5:27 pm
Did you feel the need to bring up an AR-15 for what dramatic effect.
I’m not an expert on ballistics have seen first hand what shot pellets can do to a car.
No, there is no need for dramatic effect. I was simply pointing out the differences in ballistics. A shotgun blast has different ballistic characteristics from a rifle blast and even a handgun blast.
Shotguns are good for close proximity shooting. You don’t generally use shotgun for distance shooting as they lose their effectiveness over distance. Your idea of damaging a neighbor’s car is less likely to happen with a shotgun as opposed to a handgun or rifle simply because of the ballistics involved. As the Biden’s have a somewhat secluded homestead (going off of Biden’s comments), a shotgun blast in the air has little to no chance of damaging neighbors cars. A handgun or rife would likely be a different story as the round would travel much farther at a higher velocity.
As I said earlier, I would rather my neighbors shoot a shotgun as opposed to anything else. Our houses are less than 100ft apart, and the ballistic characteristics of a shotgun makes me feel safe that they’re not going to shoot through my home enough to hit anybody in the house. A handgun or rifle round would be entirely different. The only exception would be a slug round in a shotgun, but most people who shoot shotguns would rarely load it with slugs.
Derangered Lib
February 20th, 2013
5:27 pm
Poor fellow.. Even though your ilk bash and bashed I’m still the one you block… You sad little man….
josef
February 20th, 2013
5:27 pm
K’CHAK
Well, I don’t know if we can here in Georgia…them chips are illegal…
Soothsayer
February 20th, 2013
5:29 pm
You just gotta love ol’ Gnute. Imagine his utter dismay about an old h__b like Adelson “picking” candidates. Like an old h__b like Adelson isn’t qualified?
“Hey, if they’ll do what I tell them to do, that’s all that I ask.”
JamVet
February 20th, 2013
5:29 pm
Jefferson, and I never gave him a hard time about it either. But I often thought, “Wow! Newt?? Really?? That is gonna leave a mark!”
Oh well, he is young and maybe with some maturity….
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
5:30 pm
For the record, I own a condo in PCB and was sent an absentee ballot there and then voted in Georgia. I could have voted twice and no one would have never known the difference.
Is td making the case for federal intervention in voting to ensure someone isn’t voting in multiple states? Seems as though the current setup doesn’t check for such things.
td
February 20th, 2013
5:30 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
5:26 pm
The states that have these same day registration and voting without photo id is nothing more then allowing fraud at a level that can not be proven.
BTW: If you have no voter id then…
And how much are you willing to spend – on a per head basis – to produce and distribute an ID that can be used not only for voting, but to address the problem of illegal immigrants?
Let us see the Dems went up and down the state of Georgia to try to find someone that was denied the right to vote because they did not have an id and they could not find one poor sole. So tell us again how many people out there that does not have an id?
Look before I leap...
February 20th, 2013
5:32 pm
“For the record, I own a condo in PCB and was sent an absentee ballot there and then voted in Georgia. I could have voted twice and no one would have never known the difference.”
So FL sends ballots to people who are not registered to vote?
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
5:32 pm
Looks like Florida would be a great place for all those 620,000 uninsured Georgians to go. Short drive, good weather, lots of beaches. See ya!!!
They can not move to Florida because they drug test down there.
Employers drug test in Georgia too…
Ohhhh, I get it. You’re painting them all as welfare recipients. That’s the conservative thing to do, huh?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
5:33 pm
Let us see the Dems went up and down the state of Georgia to try to find someone that was denied the right to vote because they did not have an id and they could not find one poor sole. So tell us again how many people out there that does not have an id?
Irrelevant and immaterial to the question that I asked.
Again — how much are you willing to spend – on a per head basis – to produce and distribute an ID that can be used not only for voting, but to address the illegal immigrant issue as well?
josef
February 20th, 2013
5:33 pm
SOOTH
What’s a h—b?
td
February 20th, 2013
5:33 pm
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
5:30 pm
For the record, I own a condo in PCB and was sent an absentee ballot there and then voted in Georgia. I could have voted twice and no one would have never known the difference.
Is td making the case for federal intervention in voting to ensure someone isn’t voting in multiple states? Seems as though the current setup doesn’t check for such things.
And how many of those snowbirds from NY or NJ that retired to Florida do you think do the exact thing as I explained?
getalife
February 20th, 2013
5:33 pm
“For the record, I own a condo in PCB and was sent an absentee ballot there and then voted in Georgia. I could have voted twice and no one would have never known the difference.”
Dude,
You did vote twice.
josef
February 20th, 2013
5:34 pm
“,,,one poor sole. ”
But if the shoe were on the other foot, so to speak…
Marty Huggins'
February 20th, 2013
5:37 pm
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
5:27 pm
How does any of that change the fact it is never a good idea to fire any firearm into the air.
It is completely illegal in most cases and is advocated by very few nuts out there.
I would also prefer if any idiot does feel the need to fire warning shots they can do so from within their own home and not go outside to do so. That way if they feel the need to they can destroy their own property and not mine.
200-250 yards is a long way and much further than my neighbors are spread out.
josef
February 20th, 2013
5:37 pm
BROSEPHUS
Should be interesting….
td
February 20th, 2013
5:37 pm
Look before I leap…
February 20th, 2013
5:32 pm
“For the record, I own a condo in PCB and was sent an absentee ballot there and then voted in Georgia. I could have voted twice and no one would have never known the difference.”
So FL sends ballots to people who are not registered to vote?
I did live in FL at one time and was registered to vote in the state. No state requires you to unregister when you move. You just stay on the rolls forever.
Soothsayer
February 20th, 2013
5:38 pm
America Shamed Again: Are US Lawmakers “Owned” by the Israel Lobby?
Americans have been shamed many times by their elected representatives who cravenly bow to vested interests and betray the American people. But no previous disgraceful behavior can match the public shame brought to Americans by the behavior of the Senate Republicans in the confirmation hearing of Senator Chuck Hagel as Secretary of Defense.
Forty Senate Republicans made it clear that not only do they refuse to put their service to America ahead of their service to Israel, but also that they will not even put their service to America on a par with their service to Israel. To every American’s shame, the Republicans demonstrated for all the world to see that they are wholly owned subsidiaries of the Israel Lobby. (The Israel Lobby is not their only master. They are also owned by other powerful interest groups, such as Wall Street and the Military/Security Complex.)
The most embarrassing behavior of all came from the craven Lindsay Graham, who, while in the act of demonstrating his complete subservience by crawling on his belly before the Israel Lobby, dared Hagel to name one single person in the US Congress who is afraid of the Israel Lobby.
The real question is: Who in the Congress is not afraid of the Israel Lobby?
The hatchet job on Hagel is driven by fear of the Israel Lobby.
Thank God for Paul Craig Roberts. He’s the only one with enough guts to speak the truth.
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
5:38 pm
And how many of those snowbirds from NY or NJ that retired to Florida do you think do the exact thing as I explained?
Please continue to make your case. I’m not arguing with you. You’re doing a great job all on your own. I never pictured you as a federalist though.
pogo
February 20th, 2013
5:38 pm
And this is any worse that Obama partying down in Fl at Jim Crane’s place? THE Jim Crane who once wrote a memo to one of his companies not to hire blacks because if they did, they would be impossible to get rid of even if they were worthless? This is proof enough that Obama doesn’t care where his political money comes from. Obama only cares about himself and the political advantage money can buy. He depends upon the blinded obedience (and quite frankly the ignorance) of his government dependent sanguisusi and their ability to ignore the reality of what he is doing to this country. Of course, they don’t really care what he is doing to this country as long as they get their “check”. All they want is to be able to sit at home all day not working and not paying taxes and spin their lives away on some useless blog such as this one.
getalife
February 20th, 2013
5:38 pm
If you believe anything the newt says, I have some of that meteorite for sale.
td
February 20th, 2013
5:39 pm
getalife
February 20th, 2013
5:33 pm
“For the record, I own a condo in PCB and was sent an absentee ballot there and then voted in Georgia. I could have voted twice and no one would have never known the difference.”
Dude,
You did vote twice.
If you have proof of that statement can you please provide it.
Look before I leap...
February 20th, 2013
5:39 pm
“,,,one poor sole. ”
For once td and I are in agreement.
I don’t think fish should have the right to vote either.
getalife
February 20th, 2013
5:40 pm
Shorter pogo:
Moochers!
weetamoe
February 20th, 2013
5:40 pm
And this is what President Shifty Shiftless has wrought. Civility. Vote for revenge. Gun to the fight. Nice shot at Mrs. Gingrich, there. What, what, no *war on women* offenses to lament? What about the brothers Salazar? Interior Dept.’s Ken punches young woman reporter in the face. His congressman brother offers some really helpful rape advice. And what about Jay Carney’s sneering insult tossed at a young black woman reporter who dared ask a question. Easier and more comfortable to deliver an offhand remark about a woman who has done no harm at all to the Bookmans.
комиссар (Occupation)
February 20th, 2013
5:40 pm
Rick Scott.
He’s obviously not far South enough. Traitor.
And Gingrich? He’s not even a real Southerner.
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
5:40 pm
Marty: 200-250 yards is a long way and much further than my neighbors are spread out.
And of course, your home situation is EXACTLY like the Biden’s, right? I don’t recall Joe telling YOUR WIFE to go outside and shoot in the air. Seems as though people would have enough common sense to know when and when not to do such a thing, but you’re proving to be the exception to the rule.
Geez…..
josef
February 20th, 2013
5:41 pm
Boy, howdy! Somebody’s Hakenkreuz is in a twirl today!
td
February 20th, 2013
5:42 pm
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
5:38 pm
And how many of those snowbirds from NY or NJ that retired to Florida do you think do the exact thing as I explained?
Please continue to make your case. I’m not arguing with you. You’re doing a great job all on your own. I never pictured you as a federalist though.
States could be given incentives to share databases as they currently do with Child Support and Welfare payments to make sure people are paying their CS or not receiving benefits in multiple states.
JamVet
February 20th, 2013
5:43 pm
“One of these days, Newt…one of these days, bam, zoom, straight to the moon!”
Or is, “One of these days, Newt… Pow! Right in the kisser!”
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
February 20th, 2013
5:43 pm
For the record, I own a condo in PCB and was sent an absentee ballot there and then voted in Georgia. I could have voted twice and no one would have never known the difference.
Well, a state or county don’t send a absentee ballot unless you ask for one. If you got one you must of asked for it. I’m no Norman Einsteen, but I’m calling BS on your statement and I might even throw in the whole bull.
Look before I leap...
February 20th, 2013
5:44 pm
“I did live in FL at one time and was registered to vote in the state. No state requires you to unregister when you move. You just stay on the rolls forever.”
That would indicate a problem with the election’s boards and voter ID laws don’t address that problem.
In GA you have to apply for an absentee ballot, they don’t just send it to you. I am surprised that FL would.
td
February 20th, 2013
5:46 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
5:33 pm
Let us see the Dems went up and down the state of Georgia to try to find someone that was denied the right to vote because they did not have an id and they could not find one poor sole. So tell us again how many people out there that does not have an id?
Irrelevant and immaterial to the question that I asked.
Again — how much are you willing to spend – on a per head basis – to produce and distribute an ID that can be used not only for voting, but to address the illegal immigrant issue as well?
Why does the government have to pay for such an id for anyone? The government makes a person show an id to buy beer, tobacco, get on a plane, bus buy some drugs, go to the doctor, and receive any government benefit.
JamVet
February 20th, 2013
5:47 pm
In 1976, whilst stationed overseas, I voted, via absentee ballot from Nebraska, for James Earl Carter.
And they sure as hell didn’t just send me one of the blue, I had to request it…
I too think td is gone Oscar Meyer on us…
Look before I leap...
February 20th, 2013
5:47 pm
well gee td..
FL does NOT automatically send absentee ballots.
You must request one.
http://election.dos.state.fl.us/voting/absentee.shtml
So why are you requesting an absentee ballot from a state in which you do not reside?
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
5:47 pm
td
Not arguing against you or for you, but that seems to run afoul of the 10th Amendment. Voting is a state, not federal, issue. My view is that, states should do their friggin’ job and deal with this stuff on their own. In the rush to eliminate fraud, the “incentives” you suggest should have been just as much a part of the legislation as requiring an ID to cast a vote. That’s called comprehensive reform. That would have been easier to push as opposed to simply targeting in person voting.
Ol' Timer
February 20th, 2013
5:48 pm
“Politics have become so expensive it even takes a lot of money now to lose.” ~Will Rogers
Scrivener
February 20th, 2013
5:48 pm
Jay says:
“Scrivener, it appears as though every extra vote that Ohio woman cast was through absentee balloting. So explain again how voter ID would help?”
And here’s what I said in my post: “Jay, who consistently has charged that there is no widespread voter fraud, will overlook these stories, to be sure.”
My point (gee, I thought it was pretty clear), was that you’ve consistently claimed there was not a voter fraud problem. This is just one example of voter fraud. I think that’s patently obvious, Jay.
Soothsayer
February 20th, 2013
5:49 pm
Speaking of the “truth:”
The 911 Truth Movement Goes to Court in the UK.
On February 25, in the small town of Horsham in the United Kingdom, there will be a rare and potentially groundbreaking opportunity for the 9/11 truth movement. Three hours of detailed 9/11 evidence is to be presented and considered in a court of law where the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) will be challenged over the inaccurate and biased manner in which it has portrayed the events and evidence of 9/11.
Over the last 16 months, BBC has been challenged strongly by individuals in the UK over two documentaries that they showed in September 2011 as part of the tenth anniversary of 9/11, namely ‘9/11: Conspiracy Road Trip’ and ‘The Conspiracy Files: 9/11 Ten Years On’. [Which, of course, parroted the standard hijacker, building collapse scenario put forth by our lying politicians.] Formal complaints were lodged with BBC over the inaccuracy and bias of these documentaries, which, according to 9/11 activists, was in breach of the operating requirements of BBC through their ‘Royal Charter and Agreement’ with the British public.
[The] BBC has withheld scientific evidence which demonstrates that the official version of the events of 9/11 is not possible and that BBC has actively attempted to discredit those people attempting to bring this evidence to the public.
This could get really interesting. Could the “real” truth win out? Only time will tell.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
5:49 pm
Why does the government have to pay for such an id for anyone?
Poll tax.
Geez….
td
February 20th, 2013
5:50 pm
Redneck Convert (R–and proud of it)
February 20th, 2013
5:43 pm
Look before I leap…
February 20th, 2013
5:44 pm
Look up the voting laws in FL. The parties are allowed to send absentee ballots to people. They do not have to request one. Another bad law (like same day registration) that makes fraud easy to commit.
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
5:50 pm
FL does NOT automatically send absentee ballots.
You must request one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A
Look before I leap...
February 20th, 2013
5:50 pm
“a person show an id to buy beer, tobacco, get on a plane, bus buy some drugs, go to the doctor, and receive any government benefit.”
As you are so often fond of saying when it comes to the gun issue:
Voting is a constitutionally protected right. None of the things you mentioned are.
getalife
February 20th, 2013
5:51 pm
td is busted.
td
February 20th, 2013
5:51 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
5:49 pm
Why does the government have to pay for such an id for anyone?
Poll tax.
Geez….
SCOTUS has already said requiring an id is not a poll tax. Next.
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
5:54 pm
LOL!!!
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/mcconnell-office-duped-onion-style-piece-gitmo-140113809–politics.html
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
5:54 pm
SCOTUS has already said requiring an id is not a poll tax.
Is that the same case in Indiana where they provide an ID for free?
Common Sense isn't very Common
February 20th, 2013
5:54 pm
Bro
congrats on the new baby girl. Hopefully you get your figure back soon
Look before I leap...
February 20th, 2013
5:55 pm
Got a citation td?
Can’t find a thing where it says political parties can send out valid ballots all willy-nilly.
Scrivener
February 20th, 2013
5:56 pm
Bro: “No, generally when someone wants to deflect from the topic at hand, they generally have an idea of the problem AND a possible solution.”
Yes, you actually did make it up, Brocephus. I never said I had all the answers. I do have an idea of the problem. It’s voter fraud. I do have an idea of a partial solution. It’s voter ID. Obviously ID won’t solve the absentee voter problem, but it sure will solve most of the fraud that goes on on election day. Was that really hard for you to glean from what I said? I’m not new around here; I just see little point in engaging with most of the pointless back-and-forth that goes on here. Especially when people throw out crude stuff like you just did. And don’t be too crushed; I actually haven’t made a note anywhere on your track record on keeping up with voter fraud. You just made a very snarky response to my post, and I responded to that.
TBS
February 20th, 2013
5:56 pm
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
” A request must be made to receive an absentee ballot.”
http://election.dos.state.fl.us/voting/absentee.shtml
Jay
February 20th, 2013
5:57 pm
“This is just one example of voter fraud. I think that’s patently obvious, Jay.
You’re right, Scrivener. Absolutely right. “This is just one example.” To validate conservative claims of some widespread effort to subvert the democratic process that would justify an equally widespread effort to shut it down, you’d need many more examples. But as you say, it is patently obvious that it is just one example.
Furthermore, as you apparently concede, this was done through absentee balloting. I have said all along that what voter fraud that does exist happens mainly through the absentee system, and so would not be affected by voter ID laws. Here in Georgia for example, absentee balloting accounts for almost all cases of voter fraud.
Yet for some reason, the same Georgia bill that required voter ID in this state actually weakened protections in the law regarding absentee balloting. Why? Because at the time at least, GOP voters tended to use absentee balloting more often, so that was made easier, while Democratic voters cast ballots in person, so that was made more difficult.
td
February 20th, 2013
5:57 pm
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
5:50 pm
FL does NOT automatically send absentee ballots.
You must request one.
I stand corrected and you are right about the law. Now explain how I received one in my FL mailbox with my name on it?
Absentee Ballot Requested/Returned by Designee
Per Chapter 12, Section 12-14 of the Miami Dade County Code, an absentee ballot may be requested and returned by a voter’s designee for any election. When requesting a ballot by designee, there is a limit of two ballots per election, only one of which may be for a voter who is not the spouse, parent, child, grandparent or sibling of the designee.
An absentee ballot may only be requested/returned on the day prior to and the day of the election if the person designated by the voter is an immediate family member and only on the day of the election if the designee is not an immediate family member. To request/return an absentee ballot the following options are available:
The designee and voter complete an affidavit, available on the link below. Picture identification of the designee must be presented along with the completed affidavit when requesting or returning the absentee ballot.
The designee completes the affidavit and the voter provides a written request containing specific information found on our Absentee Ballot Request/Return Policies, available on the link below. Picture identification, affidavit and voter’s written request must be presented when requesting or returning the absentee ballot.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
5:58 pm
It’s voter ID. Obviously ID won’t solve the absentee voter problem, but it sure will solve most of the fraud that goes on on election day.
Again — how much are you willing to spend – on a per head basis – to produce and distribute an ID that can be used for not only voting purposes, but to address the issue of illegal immigration?
JamVet
February 20th, 2013
5:59 pm
Florida law allows all qualified voters to request an absentee ballot from the Supervisor of Elections. A member of the voter’s immediate family or legal guardian may also request an absentee ballot for a voter, if directly instructed to do so by the voter. The request can cover all elections through the end of the calendar year for the second ensuing regularly scheduled general election. A request for an absentee ballot to be mailed must be made no later than 5 p.m. on the 6th day before an election. Contact your Supervisor of Elections to request an absentee ballot. Refer to the Division of Elections’ webpage on Absentee Voting for more details.
Absentee voting refers to voting on a ballot received by mail or picked up by or for a person who is unable or cannot go to the polls to vote during early voting or Election Day. A person does not have to be absent from his or her county of residence or have another reason to vote absentee. A request MUST (emphasis mine) be made to receive an absentee ballot. A request covers all elections through the end of the calendar year for the second ensuing regularly scheduled general election. Contact your Supervisor of Elections to request an absentee ballot.
http://election.dos.state.fl.us/voting/voting-info.shtml
TBS
February 20th, 2013
6:00 pm
“The request for an absentee ballot can be made by you or if directly instructed to do so, an immediate family member or legal guardian on your behalf.
When a request is made the following information is required:
the name of the voter for whom the ballot is being requested;
the voter’s address;
the voter’s date of birth; and
the voter’s signature (if the request is written).”
http://election.dos.state.fl.us/voting/absentee.shtml
Someone is either misinformed or willfully as their fib on?
комиссар (Occupation)
February 20th, 2013
6:00 pm
Well, that didn’t take long:
Erickson : “I am very disappointed in Governor Rick Scott.”
http://www.redstate.com/2013/02/20/i-am-very-disappointed-in-governor-rick-scott/
Uh Huh.......He who speak with forked tongue, does not need chopsticks
February 20th, 2013
6:04 pm
Should not the mind of the speaker know the truth of the matter about which he is to speak?
stevie ray
February 20th, 2013
6:04 pm
Jay,
I may be last one to know this but even jaycarneyvale is confirming the sequester was presidents idea. Ergo, any hysteria re fallout that may occur is on him. Guess he’d sayanything to get more credit eh.? Clearly as is his prime bs, he is trying to get all y’all to put this on gop. With success no less!
Common Sense isn't very Common
February 20th, 2013
6:05 pm
комиссар (Occupation)
It’s too bad he doesn’t know the difference between MEDICARE and MEDICAID.
stevie ray
February 20th, 2013
6:08 pm
All this drama about those dreadful cons and their cheating ways. I guess lying and cheating are no longer legitimate tactics? Boo hoo
Scrivener
February 20th, 2013
6:08 pm
Jay: “Because at the time at least, GOP voters tended to use absentee balloting more often, so that was made easier, while Democratic voters cast ballots in person, so that was made more difficult.”
You say that as if it’s a fact, Jay. That’s your opinion and supposition and nothing more. Voter ID is the obvious first defense against voter fraud, yet you and your fellow travelers call it voter suppression. And if you want to look at this Ohio woman’s example and say it’s just a one-time thing and not the tip of the iceberg, there’s really no point in discussing this with you. Not a big surprise, IMO.
TBS
February 20th, 2013
6:09 pm
td
How bout it? Where is that info from the state of FL stating parties can just send out absentee ballots?
Did Morris or Rove tell you that or did you actually read it on a state of FL website?
td
February 20th, 2013
6:12 pm
BS
February 20th, 2013
6:09 pm
td
How bout it? Where is that info from the state of FL stating parties can just send out absentee ballots?
Please scroll up and read my response to Bro.
Soothsayer
February 20th, 2013
6:12 pm
“Sometimes people don’t want to hear the truth because they don’t want their illusions destroyed.”/i>
— Friedrich Nietzsche
Jay
February 20th, 2013
6:12 pm
“You say that as if it’s a fact, Jay.”
That’s because it is, Scrivener.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
6:14 pm
Scrivener
February 20th, 2013
6:08 pm
Voter ID is the obvious first defense against voter fraud, yet you and your fellow travelers call it voter suppression.
Again — how much are you willing to spend – on a per head basis – to produce and distribute an ID that can be used not only for voting, but to address the issue of illegal immigration?
stevie ray
February 20th, 2013
6:15 pm
Sooth
Bingo. Love that wingnut philosopher. He also said something to the effect; no matter how well things are going, i must remember that somwhere on the path I’m hiding under a rock ready to screw things up…
TBS
February 20th, 2013
6:15 pm
td
That post doesn’t prove what you said about parties sending out ballots.
I guess if you are going to make up $hit, you may as well go big…….. and you did
Your post below
“Look up the voting laws in FL. The parties are allowed to send absentee ballots to people. They do not have to request one. Another bad law (like same day registration) that makes fraud easy to commit.”
Double and triple down if you like, but your post to Bro doesn’t back up your claim
josef
February 20th, 2013
6:16 pm
“G-d is dead.”
–Nietzsche
“Nietizsche is dead.”
–G-d
“Anyone who wishes to understand Nationalsocialism must first understand Nietzsche.”
–Adolf Hitler
JamVet
February 20th, 2013
6:16 pm
It is time to call Scrivener’s claim that “there is a ton of voter fraud” exactly what it is: a cooked, smoked sausage made of cured beef, cured pork or a mixture of the two.
A favorite GOP dog whistle and nothing more.
And, OF COURSE, any fraud is unacceptable. Any tampering of our elections should be punished heavily.
But large-scale voter fraud is virtually non-existent today.
One of the best studies on the subject was conducted by Justin Levitt of the New York University Law School. Its conclusion is simple: allegations of widespread voter fraud are greatly exaggerated.
“Many of the claims of voter fraud amount to a great deal of smoke without much fire…Most allegations of fraud turn out to be baseless—and that of the few allegations remaining, most reveal election irregularities and other forms of election misconduct, rather than fraud by individual voters. The type of individual voter fraud supposedly targeted by recent legislative efforts—especially efforts to require certain forms of voter ID—simply does not exist.”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnwasik/2012/11/06/voter-fraud-a-massive-anti-democratic-deception/
Scrivener’s baseless claim, devoid of any compelling evidence, is false.
I believe it is just another victim’s excuse to justify why they are doing so poorly in recent elections…
TBS
February 20th, 2013
6:16 pm
td
Which party sent you the absentee ballot?
josef
February 20th, 2013
6:17 pm
Speaking of delusional lickspittals…
TBS
February 20th, 2013
6:17 pm
“I believe it is just another victim’s excuse to justify why they are doing so poorly in recent elections…”
Bingo. Jam you get the Gold Star for the day
td
February 20th, 2013
6:19 pm
“The application of the statute to the vast majority of Indiana voters is amply justified by the valid interest in protecting the integrity and reliability of the electoral process.”
SCOTUS justice John Paul Stevens in a 6-3 case on Indiana’s voter id law.
JamVet
February 20th, 2013
6:19 pm
Arguably the most laughable aspect of the “Florida absentee ballot mystery” is this line:
Now explain how I received one in my FL mailbox with my name on it?
Is there any blogging soap around?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy56tazwmbk
td
February 20th, 2013
6:21 pm
TBS
February 20th, 2013
6:16 pm
td
Which party sent you the absentee ballot?
I do not know. I ASSumed that it was sent by a political party since I did not request it.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
6:21 pm
SCOTUS justice John Paul Stevens in a 6-3 case on Indiana’s voter id law.
Indiana
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geez….
Look before I leap...
February 20th, 2013
6:24 pm
td
Which party sent you the absentee ballot?
Thanks for the laugh but the bourbon that came out of my nose stings a bit.
stevie ray
February 20th, 2013
6:24 pm
Josef,
Your talking points assessment of this particular philosopher are misguided. Suggest you read up on the basis of his god comment as well as how his sister, long after his death, encouraged her nazi buddies to take to concept of uberman so far out of context that his intentions are wasted on anyone not capable to take time to study him..
td
February 20th, 2013
6:25 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
“Again — how much are you willing to spend – on a per head basis – to produce and distribute an ID that can be used not only for voting, but to address the issue of illegal immigration?”
Again, not a freaking penny.
“The application of the statute to the vast majority of Indiana voters is amply justified by the valid interest in protecting the integrity and reliability of the electoral process.”
SCOTUS justice John Paul Stevens in a 6-3 case on Indiana’s voter id law.
getalife
February 20th, 2013
6:25 pm
We live in a cheating society so td’s cheating equals out that lady cheating.
I am more concerned about the sc allowing unlimited bribes.
Marty Huggins'
February 20th, 2013
6:26 pm
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
5:40 pm
So you are going on record as one who feels it is a good policy to fire a firearm into the air?
I have never been to Joe Biden’s house. I have no idea if there would be anyone within 250 yards.
I do know unless she knew her life was in danger (if so I’m assuming the intruders are not just going to let her go out on the balcony) the. She would be in violation of Delaware law.
But I’m sure you would know more and understand more about the gun laws of Delaware than the former Delaware deputy attorney general.
http://mobile.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/02/20/joe-biden-shotgun-advice-could-land-jill-biden-in-jail
Soothsayer
February 20th, 2013
6:27 pm
His [Nietzsche's] sister Elisabeth Förster-Nietzsche acted as curator and editor of Nietzsche’s manuscripts during his illness. She was married to a prominent German nationalist and antisemite, Bernhard Förster, and she reworked some of Nietzsche’s unpublished writings to fit her husband’s ideology, often in ways contrary to Nietzsche’s opinions, which were strongly and explicitly opposed to antisemitism and nationalism (see Nietzsche’s criticism of anti-Semitism and nationalism). Through Förster-Nietzsche’s editions, Nietzsche’s name became associated with German militarism and Nazism.
Really, josef, that was an easy one. It’s right there on Wikipedia for all the world to see.
td
February 20th, 2013
6:30 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
6:21 pm
“Valid state interest”. What is so dam hard to understand about the statement? Until, the SCOTUS states that requiring a person to purchase a state issued photo id is equivalent to a poll tax then it is NOT a poll tax. Plain and simple.
stevie ray
February 20th, 2013
6:31 pm
Sooth
My current philosopher of note is bertrand russell. This guy had to stones to write the book called “why i am not a christian” pre wwii. Thoughtful and ballsy work..
Thomas Heyward Jr
February 20th, 2013
6:31 pm
Showing the corruption and hypocrisy of the Newts of the world deosn’t excuse one from being a supporter of the same.
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It only shows moral……………………..bankruptcy.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
6:32 pm
SCOTUS justice John Paul Stevens in a 6-3 case on Indiana’s voter id law.
Again:
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Indiana
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provides
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ID
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for
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free.
getalife
February 20th, 2013
6:33 pm
Nice deflection tommy.
stevie ray
February 20th, 2013
6:34 pm
I say open the borders, grant amnesty and entitlements for all and screw any id requirements. No limit on times you can vote either. That will do it.
TBS
February 20th, 2013
6:34 pm
Jam
That story had more holes in than the Notre Dame defense had when they played Bama.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
6:36 pm
Until, the SCOTUS states that requiring a person to purchase a state issued photo id is equivalent to a poll tax then it is NOT a poll tax.
Why is it so damn hard for you to understand that Indiana doesn’t require the purchase of an ID?
They provide them for free.
Why is it so damn hard for you to understand that it still costs money to produce the ID?
Why is it so damn hard for you to understand that they are produced with tax revenues?
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
6:37 pm
NoCom
Thanks, and round IS a shape.
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Yes, you actually did make it up, Brocephus. I never said I had all the answers. I do have an idea of the problem. It’s voter fraud. I do have an idea of a partial solution. It’s voter ID. Obviously ID won’t solve the absentee voter problem, but it sure will solve most of the fraud that goes on on election day.
Well, given that the fraud in Ohio happened by way of absentee ballot, your partial solution does not address the issue you brought up. Maybe you should research things a bit more before shooting off at the hip. It will make you seem a bit more informed and less a feces flinger. Those who seem informed get informed dialogue. Snark is fed to those who fling fecal matter.
Just a bit of advice for you.
As to ID laws, if someone registers a bogus name and presents an ID in that name, how does the ID law stop fraud? You’ve been sold a lemon in the idea that ID’s are even going to solve 10% of the fraud. Check the link I posted earlier. The extensive research done on voter fraud showed that ID laws would have stopped fraud in 1 out of 15 million votes cast. 10 cases of in person fraud were found out of 146 million votes cast. THere were significantly many more cases of absentee and registration fraud, neither of which are addressed by ID laws.
stevie ray
February 20th, 2013
6:38 pm
!Hey same as drugs being legal, lets legalize vote purchase….the election process is a multi billion dollar market. Then the money would wind up in our coffers instead of politicians..after all, it is an auction not an election.
josef
February 20th, 2013
6:38 pm
Stevie…
“…are wasted on anyone not capable to take time to study him..”
Oh, habe ich Nietzsche im Original.gelesen und studiert Nitzsche. Nietzsche ist der klassische europäische Antisemit des 19. Jahrhunderts
td
February 20th, 2013
6:38 pm
Georgia does not even have a Republican member in the top 10 most conservative. We need some more primary challenges.
Top Ten Most Conservative Representatives
Tied for 1st – (from left to right) Reps. Randy Neugebauer, R-Texas; Sam Johnson, R-Texas; Jim Jordan, R-Ohio; Doug Lamborn, R-Colo.; Trent Franks, R-Ariz.
6th – Rep. Jean Schmidt, R-Ohio; 7th – Rep. Pete Olson, R-Texas; 8th – Rep. John Boehner, R-Ohio; 9th – Rep. Bob Latta, R-Ohio; 10th – Rep. John Culberson, R-Texas.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/magazine/most-conservative-members-of-congress-20110224
Soothsayer
February 20th, 2013
6:39 pm
Absolute Lawlessness: Libyan “Democracy” Two Years After NATO Air War
Mass protests are sweeping across Libya as the country marks the second anniversary of the beginning of a civil war that ousted Muammar Gaddafi. Two years after the fall of the Gaddafi regime, no new constitution has been drafted.
The new authorities have obviously failed to maintain law and order. Crime is rampaging and popular discontent is on the rise. Prime Minister Ali Zeidan has shut the borders with neighboring Egypt and Tunisia from February 14 to 18 as a security precaution.
With anarchy and marauding flourishing in border areas where once strict law and order reigned under Gaddafi, most Libyans, particularly in the east, have been outraged by the authorities’ inaction. In addition to local extremists and “adventure seekers”, terrorists of all sorts, including groups of jihadists from Mali, have been pouring in. The “democracy” the West had once been so fervent in forcing upon Libya looks more like a medieval rule.
Hey, does anybody remember that “humanitarian” thing we did in Libya? Thank goodness we “saved” them!
Now I wonder what Middle Eastern country would like to see turmoil and mayhem in Libya, Egypt, etc? And, what dumbass, mindless
countrysuperpower that they control who carried it out for them. I just cain’t figgur it out.stevie ray
February 20th, 2013
6:41 pm
It could work just like the failing cap and trade deal. We can have an active market for buying and selling votes. I think i’m on to something here.
The whole process is so queered by big money that it will remain dysfunctional for our lifetimes.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
February 20th, 2013
6:41 pm
Corpse found in LA hotel’s water tank. CNN.com
Well, I guess that’s why the guests said the water had a strange taste and run black for the first couple of seconds of a shower.
Just remember before you sneer that they fish corpses out of the sources of our water all the time.
td
February 20th, 2013
6:41 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
6:36 pm
Yes and according to the SCOTUS we should stop paying that welfare benefit and make everyone buy their own damn ids or do not freaking vote. Choices and paying consequences for ones actions.
JamVet
February 20th, 2013
6:42 pm
Yep, TBS…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doqTSev-_lQ
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
6:45 pm
Yes and according to the SCOTUS we should stop paying that welfare benefit and make everyone buy their own damn ids…
SCOTUS said that state govts. should make everyone buy an ID?
That’s a crock of sh*t.
Lies make the baby Jesus cry.
stevie ray
February 20th, 2013
6:45 pm
Josef
Clearly, you as well as the majority of german speakers, have not and will not get to separate talking points ie nazi protocol bs, from the great work this guy did..
Look before I leap...
February 20th, 2013
6:46 pm
“Yes and according to the SCOTUS we should stop paying that welfare benefit and make everyone buy their own damn ids or do not freaking vote. Choices and paying consequences for ones actions.”
Where exactly did SCOTUS say that?
Stevens in his majority opinion wrote that:
” Because Indiana’s cards are free, the inconvenience of going to the Bureau of Motor Vehicles, gathering required documents, and posing for a photograph does not qualify as a substantial burden on most voters’ right to vote, or represent a significant increase over the usual burdens of voting”
You are trippin td.
LUCIFER
February 20th, 2013
6:48 pm
SLAP!! Whammy!! ZONKS! Pow!!! Way to de-Newt the Newster Jay!
td
February 20th, 2013
6:50 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
6:45 pm
Yes and according to the SCOTUS we should stop paying that welfare benefit and make everyone buy their own damn ids…
SCOTUS said that state govts. should make everyone buy an ID?
That’s a crock of sh*t.
Lies make the baby Jesus cry.
Jeez you are one dense person my friend. The SCOTUS in a decision written by one of the most progressive judges to ever sit on the court stated in clear and concise terms that it was a “VALID STATE INTEREST” to REQUIRE a person to have a photo id to vote. They did NOT mention one single word about purchasing it by the individual or by the state so therefore the question was not addressed and can still be litigated. Until such time as that litigation comes before the SCOTUS then any state can REQUIRE a person to purchase a valid identification card and IT NOT CONSIDERED a POLL TAX.
Got it!!!!!!
stevie ray
February 20th, 2013
6:50 pm
Sooth
Why would we expect iraq, afghanistan or any of them to not return to cultural roots. None of themneed democracy or christianity as we know It. Things could be much better for us globally if we check our arrogance at the door remembering that until they ask, they are not interested in our democracy…clearly the state of our union is nothing any of them strive fwor…
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
6:50 pm
Double and triple down if you like, but your post to Bro doesn’t back up your claim
TBS
How often does he complete that exercise correctly anyway?
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Marty: So you are going on record as one who feels it is a good policy to fire a firearm into the air?
I’m sure you understand the difference between a general statement vs a specific one, right? You keep talking about firearm in general, while I am talking about shotgun, in specific. The two are not interchangable.
Unless Delaware doesn’t have a “Castle Doctrine” or “Stand your ground” law in effect, shooting in the air could get you into trouble. If either of those laws exist in Delaware, how can one prove she shot into the air and not at the intruder without eyewitness testimony?
So, if you’re looking for a statement from me, I have no problem with Jill Biden shooting a shotgun in the air if it’s going to scare off an intruder. Personally, I would hate to see her have to deal with the emotional baggage of killing a person. If shooting in the air is going to get her killed, I’d tell her to point the shotgun at the center of mass and pull the trigger. As I stated earlier, Dr. Biden’s situation does not fit everyone else’s. As I recall, Biden said that was the advice he gave to his wife.
Is that good enough for you, or do I need to draw a chart or picture?
Thomas
February 20th, 2013
6:50 pm
Adelson= Soros
Far left= far right
the world is round not linear.
the world needs another wannabe national blogger like it needs an asteroid landing on it
josef
February 20th, 2013
6:51 pm
Aus Chaos kommt Ordnung und hier müssen wir Ordnung haben!
Stevie…
One of my academic specializations has been the study of the perversion of the German language to cloak the realities of the regime. Goebbels was quite the student of Nietzsche in his machinations.
Soothsayer
February 20th, 2013
6:51 pm
No serious thinker has done more harm to the Jewish people than Friedrich Nietzsche, whose writings were an important inspiration for Adolf Hitler and Nazism. Yet far from being an anti-Semite, Nietzsche was one of the most pro-Jewish German writers of his time. How can this paradox be explained, and does it have any lessons for the present day?
A massively productive and self-consciously iconoclastic writer, Nietzsche never attained a large readership in his lifetime, though his fame did grow. His life and works are too complex to summarize here, but one constant feature of his worldview was his friendliness — even admiration — towards Jews.
The growing anti-Semitism in Germany during the 1870s and 1880s disgusted him. He derided the hatred of Jews by his friend, the composer Richard Wagner, with whom he eventually broke. He ridiculed it on the part of his publisher. He tried to block his sister’s marriage to an anti-Semitic agitator. Nietzsche had several Jewish friends, including one of his greatest admirers, the famous Danish literary critic Georg Brandes.
– Barry Rubin
JamVet
February 20th, 2013
6:53 pm
I think this voter fraud stuff is serious business.
And that is why I’m calling for a special prosecutor and grand jury investigation into this reprehensible td absentee ballot fraud situation!
Nobody, not even td, is above the law!
LOL.
I just love this guy’s stuff. One of the most socially conscious, gutsy, cool cats out there…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68zccrskOqQ
TBS
February 20th, 2013
6:53 pm
Bro
Since you are putting it in those terms………… But I bet it sure sounded great when he typed it.
hahahaha
Corey
February 20th, 2013
6:54 pm
@Morality?
February 20th, 2013
3:18 pm
“… tax cuts for people like me who do not need them”, President Obama. Only an individual who suffers from ODS (Obama Derangement Syndrome would translate the above quote by Mr. Obama while pressing to let the Bush tax cuts expire on the upper 2% as “evil rich.” Do you guys actually listen to yourselves, Morality? Or are you hoping somehow Mr. Obama will by happenstance read your silly comments here on this forum and have light bulb moment?
indigo
February 20th, 2013
6:55 pm
Soothsayer – 6:39 “thank goodness we saved them”
Like we saved Iraq and are saving Afghanistan.
godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need
February 20th, 2013
6:56 pm
Birdshot doesn’t fall at the same velocity as a lead round. I’ve had birdshot rain down on me before. While it doesn’t hurt, it’s scary as hell to realize how close to an active shotgun you are.
Common occurrence on the dove field. The individual shotgun pellets have low mass so the friction of the air slows them considerable over a short distance. And because they have low mass, they do very little damage.
So as much as I hate to admit it, Clueless Joe stumbled into the truth. If you want to scare someone away, a couple of shotgun blasts into the air is perfectly safe and isn’t going to hurt anyone. But be sure to use steel shot so that you don’t ruin the environment and make kids any dumber.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
6:56 pm
They did NOT mention one single word about purchasing it by the individual or by the state so therefore the question was not addressed and can still be litigated.
If you will read the majority opinion “written by one of the most progressive judges” cited in this post right here, you will notice the phrase, “Because Indiana’s cards are free….”
Lies make the baby Jesus cry.
td
February 20th, 2013
6:57 pm
Look before I leap…
February 20th, 2013
6:46 pm
“The application of the statute to the vast majority of Indiana voters is amply justified by the valid interest in protecting the integrity and reliability of the electoral process.”
Where does the decision state that “if” the state did not pay for the id then it would be considered a poll tax and not allowed? I think my quote of Stevens opinion is way more applicable to the point that it is a Valid state interest to require a id to vote. The poll tax question is unresolved and had not been litigated.
Look before I leap...
February 20th, 2013
6:57 pm
“They did NOT mention one single word about purchasing it by the individual or by the state”
Not intended to be a factual statement.
josef
February 20th, 2013
6:59 pm
Barry Rubin? Yeah, sure…
godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need
February 20th, 2013
7:00 pm
And because they have low mass they do very little damage.
No damage, I meant to say. Unless you are looking up into the sky, One pellet could put your eye out, kid.
Marty Huggins'
February 20th, 2013
7:00 pm
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
6:50 pm
Awe getting all tissy are we?
I would recommend shooting center mass or not shooting at all.
Again read the link I provided you.
What he is advocating for her is reckless and even illegal a felony to be exact.
And it is based on the scenario given by Biden not some universal situation.
You obviously have not taken part in too many gun safety classes or self defense with firearms classes.
Based on your stated opinion it sounds as if you are absent of any firearm training at all.
With nuts like you and Biden around I am starting to rethink my positions on gun control if this is how reckless people use them.
moonbat betty
February 20th, 2013
7:00 pm
Sounds like Bookman has a personal ax to grind with the Newt.
Look before I leap...
February 20th, 2013
7:01 pm
@td
See Kamchek’s comment @6:56
Stevens wrote that undue burden was (at least in part) mitigated by the fact that IN provided the IDs for free.
Your house of cards has fallen.
moonbat betty
February 20th, 2013
7:02 pm
News flash!
Newt is irrelevant.
indigo
February 20th, 2013
7:04 pm
Few, if any, of the regular posters here have the intellect to fully understand Nietzsche.
And, calling him a Nazi makes as much sense as calling Aristotle a Christian.
josef
February 20th, 2013
7:04 pm
moonbat
Newt…the gift that just keeps on giving!
Marty Huggins'
February 20th, 2013
7:05 pm
Again for the record!
It is illegal to do what Joe Biden proposes in his scenario.
Odd how some claim to be for gun control yet then support a scenario involving guns that is both illegal and irresponsible.
JamVet
February 20th, 2013
7:06 pm
Here, with another guy who also sang about Reagan’s death squads…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnY4fkTyGA8
Soothsayer
February 20th, 2013
7:06 pm
Stevie Ray: the object is to turn non-sectarian, stable countries into countries where sectarian turmoil occupies the populace and, therefore, keeps their minds off Israel.
josef
February 20th, 2013
7:06 pm
indigo
Who called Nietzsche a nazi?
godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need
February 20th, 2013
7:06 pm
You obviously have not taken part in too many gun safety classes or self defense with firearms classes.
If you think that firing a shotgun into the air (say above a 45^ angle) is going to hurt anyone, then you obviously have no practical experience with firearms or physics.
moonbat betty
February 20th, 2013
7:07 pm
josef, Jay will make sure of it.
Did Newt kick his puppy or something in the past?
Soothsayer
February 20th, 2013
7:08 pm
“Few, if any, of the regular posters here have the intellect to fully understand Nietzsche.
And, calling him a Nazi makes as much sense as calling Aristotle a Christian.”
Hey! Someone just turn on the lights!
td
February 20th, 2013
7:09 pm
” Both evidence in the record and facts of which we may take judicial notice, however, indicate that a somewhat heavier burden may be placed on a limited number of persons. They include elderly persons born out-of-state, who may have difficulty obtaining a birth certificate; persons who because of economic or other personal limitations may find it difficult either to secure a copy of their birth certificate or to assemble the other required documentation to obtain a state-issued identification; homeless persons; and persons with a religious objection to being photographed. If we assume, as the evidence suggests, that some members of these classes were registered voters when SEA 483 was enacted, the new identification requirement may have imposed a special burden on their right to vote.
The severity of that burden is, of course, mitigated by the fact that, if eligible, voters without photo identification may cast provisional ballots that will ultimately be counted. To do so, however, they must travel to the circuit court clerk’s office within 10 days to execute the required affidavit. It is unlikely that such a requirement would pose a constitutional problem unless it is wholly unjustified. And even assuming that the burden may not be justified as to a few voters, that conclusion is by no means sufficient to establish petitioners’ right to the relief they seek in this litigation.
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Petitioners ask this Court, in effect, to perform a unique balancing analysis that looks specifically at a small number of voters who may experience a special burden under the statute and weighs their burdens against the State’s broad interests in protecting election integrity….But on the basis of the evidence in the record it is not possible to quantify either the magnitude of the burden on this narrow class of voters or the portion of the burden imposed on them that is fully justified.
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Finally we note that petitioners have not demonstrated that the proper remedy—even assuming an unjustified burden on some voters—would be to invalidate the entire statute. When evaluating a neutral, nondiscriminatory regulation of voting procedure, we must keep in mind that a ruling of unconstitutionality frustrates the intent of the elected representatives of the people.”
Marty Huggins'
February 20th, 2013
7:09 pm
godless heathen – owner of many things he does not need
February 20th, 2013
6:56 pm
If one is trying to scare away raccoons or possum a shot gun blast may work.
An intruder there with the purpose of causing bodily harm not so much.
But it will give them a good heads up to where you are at so they don’t have to waste time looking for you.
josef
February 20th, 2013
7:10 pm
moonbat
Well, as you know, I don’t hold the Dog T*rd in the highest esteem…I just can’t quite grasp why anybody is still giving him the time of day and column inches except for comic relief, and this one is not particularly funny…
godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need
February 20th, 2013
7:10 pm
It is illegal to do what Joe Biden proposes in his scenario.
If I am threatened by an intruder and decide to shoot a couple of rounds into the air to scare them off, be it with a shotgun, a .357 or a .458 Winchester Magnum, I take my chances with the Judge.
TaxPayer
February 20th, 2013
7:11 pm
I’ve heard that a person firing a shotgun at a 45 degree angle can actually hit someone that happens to be located in that particular line of fire although some would argue that I’m sure.
td
February 20th, 2013
7:12 pm
Look before I leap…
February 20th, 2013
7:01 pm
@td
See Kamchek’s comment @6:56
Stevens wrote that undue burden was (at least in part) mitigated by the fact that IN provided the IDs for free.
Your house of cards has fallen.
And then Stevens wrote:
“Finally we note that petitioners have not demonstrated that the proper remedy—even assuming an unjustified burden on some voters—would be to invalidate the entire statute. When evaluating a neutral, nondiscriminatory regulation of voting procedure, we must keep in mind that a ruling of unconstitutionality frustrates the intent of the elected representatives of the people.”
Again Valid state interest and applying a law equally to everyone trumps the burdens to a very small minority of the voters.
Marty Huggins'
February 20th, 2013
7:12 pm
godless heathen – owner of many things he does not need
February 20th, 2013
7:06 pm
Never claimed it did.
My only concern as far as damage is property damage. But damage is not the main reason for not firing useless warning shots.
Show me an agency or firearm expert or defense expert that advocates warning shots into the air.
But I’ll bet you site felt cleaver before hitting the send icon huh?
Recon 0311 2533
February 20th, 2013
7:13 pm
Oh my…lets forget about Obama and the Democrats feeding at the trough of ultra wealthy Democrats and instead focus on Newt Gingrich and Sheldon Adelson. Hypocrisy is a far-left hallmark.
Rightwing troll
February 20th, 2013
7:13 pm
“harvey
February 20th, 2013
3:00 pm
Well, anyone with the money to do it will buy elections. Even those elected buy elections by favoring those who support them. As example, Obama buys Mexicans, gays, dependents, unions, academics, simply by supporting them. So one hand washes the other”
And you and your ilks hate and lies drive them all right into his waiting arms…
Soothsayer
February 20th, 2013
7:14 pm
If you got hit with a shotgun blast at short range — even with birdshot — it’s unlikely that you would survive unless you got immediate medical (within 3 minutes) attention. You will bleed to death. The wound would be so large that your odds of survival are minimal.
Marty Huggins'
February 20th, 2013
7:16 pm
godless heathen – owner of many things he does not need
February 20th, 2013
7:10 pm
You better prepare for the intruded if you go firing off shots to let them know your location.
The best advantage you have is its your house and you have the element of surprise or knowledge of hiding spots.
But if it makes you feel safer go ahead maybe it will be reported and people can learn from your mistakes.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
7:17 pm
Again Valid state interest and applying a law equally to everyone trumps the burdens to a very small minority of the voters.
What part of “Because Indiana’s cards are free” seems to be giving you the most trouble?
Five words, all of them English.
Is English a second language for you?
godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need
February 20th, 2013
7:19 pm
Marty: There are many things wrong with Clueless Joe’s advice, I’ll admit. He seems to be on a mission to say something stupid every day of the week, and I doubt he ever told his wife any such thing. He’s just trying to appease his gun-grabber constituency. I see it like Obama’s skeet shooting pic: Urban liberals trying to be one of the guys and discuss an issue they know nothing about.
moonbat betty
February 20th, 2013
7:19 pm
josef, Bookman obviously has some personal issues with the Newster.
I could care less, just find it funny.
Surely, Bookman could find a ton more comedic relief in Rush or Hannity?
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
7:20 pm
“If you got hit with a shotgun blast at short range — even with birdshot — it’s unlikely that you would survive unless you got immediate medical (within 3 minutes) attention. You will bleed to death”
You could always load it with salt instead of bird shot. Hurts like hell but it won’t kill you unless maybe you take a point blank shot right in the eyes.
Marty Huggins'
February 20th, 2013
7:22 pm
Soothsayer
February 20th, 2013
7:14 pm
Buckshot maybe birdshot they would survive. Unless the gun is pressed up against the person body.
I know digs who have been shot with birdshot and hunt til this day.
Also there was a burgled shot in the face with birdshot.
Was taken to the hospital and was expected to live.
http://blogs.seattletimes.com/today/2012/06/would-be-burglar-shot-in-the-face/
josef
February 20th, 2013
7:23 pm
moonbat
Well, gotta remember, Newt IS a Pennsylvania Carpetbagger…
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
7:24 pm
godless @ 6:56
Even a blinking vcr clock is right twice a day.
——————
Marty @ 7:00
You have the right to believe whatever you choose to. You can believe that I know so little about guns that I can’t even spell gun right without using spellcheck. However, that statement at 7:00 does more to hurt your credibility than you could ever think to do to mine. I’ll let you steep in your ignorance and let the blog give you the rundown on my gun safety and ownership experience if they choose to. I don’t want to put egg on your face tonight as I’m still happy about my healthy newborn daughter, and I refuse to allow ignorance like yours to spoil my mood.
Have a great evening.
Marty Huggins'
February 20th, 2013
7:25 pm
That’s dogs with an o not digs.
Fanged iPhone and my fingers
godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need
February 20th, 2013
7:28 pm
The best advantage you have is its your house and you have the element of surprise or knowledge of hiding spots.
You got those hiding spots and ambush points all mapped out in your house, I bet.
I don’t live that way. I live in the country and if someone is prowling around in the yard, it’s highly unlikely that they are there intent on doing me bodily harm. It is also highly likely that the sound of a shotgun blast is going to send them scurrying off to change their underwear. Now if a gang of cranking maniacs has come to do me harm, I’ll deal with that differently, but the odds of that are highly unlikely. About the same odds as a mass shooting at a school.
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
7:29 pm
“Fanged iPhone”
Is that an anti-theft feature?
moonbat betty
February 20th, 2013
7:29 pm
LOL @ josef, you could be on to something.
You better quit while you are ahead!
Marty Huggins'
February 20th, 2013
7:31 pm
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
7:24 pm
If you have revived gun training it does not show or you are willfully ignoring it.
Again show where any group or expert has advocated firing warning shots and how well of a self defense decision doing so is?
There is no egg on my face.
I know nothing about you I am making my opinion of your idea of gun safety soley based upon your comments and by your comments you are advocating a position that few if any experts advocate.
But hey from your bluster you apparently are more knowledgable than the experts who advocate against doing so.
Mr Right
February 20th, 2013
7:31 pm
Does anyone believe if Jessie Jackson Jr had a R by his name we would have total silence from Jay ?
josef
February 20th, 2013
7:31 pm
BROSEPHUS
“Even a blinking vcr clock is right twice a day.”
Not if it’s set on military time… now who’s presence would have brought THAT to mind?
Marty Huggins'
February 20th, 2013
7:32 pm
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
7:29 pm
Nah it was a bad joke I saw the f by the d an thought it was funny. Guess not
Recon 0311 2533
February 20th, 2013
7:33 pm
Of far more worthy topics is what appears to be the inevitable sequester that Obama first proposed and signed into law. Now the narcissistic campaigner-n-chief whose convinced that the greater majority of Americans savor his every word thinks he can scare Americans into believing that Republicans by not bowing to his wishes will throw this country into complete chaos Friday of next week. The paltry 2.4% across the board spending cuts in a 3.6 trillion dollar federal government spending appetite would be nothing if it wasn’t for congress disallowing transfer authority for the administration. All the Republicans need to do is propose a bill that gives Obama the ability to prioritize and transfer funds across the thousands of accounts in the DOD and non-DOD accounts. In other words force this pathetic president to actually be a president and govern. Will Obama request that authority from congress, probably not and will Republicans in congress propose it, probably not. If either had the courage to propose it sequestration would be a benefit instead of a pending curse.
josef
February 20th, 2013
7:35 pm
moonbat
Yeah, that’s a sensitive topic in some quarters!
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
7:35 pm
“Nah it was a bad joke I saw the f by the d an thought it was funny. Guess not”
Well, I thought it was hilarious…until you said it was deliberate
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
7:36 pm
Marty Huggins’
February 20th, 2013
7:31 pm
If you have revived gun training it does not show or you are willfully ignoring it.
You should quit while you’re not too far behind.
He works for the federal government in an enforcement capacity and has to qualify with a weapon on a regular basis.
godless heathen - owner of many things he does not need
February 20th, 2013
7:37 pm
Marty, I know from an ill-fated late night watermelon picking adventure that the sound of gun fire will put a group of kids on the road.
No, I’m not trained in home self-defense by firearms experts. Like I said, I don’t live that way and I don’t think it’s healthy.
Soothsayer
February 20th, 2013
7:40 pm
This is an unprecedented time to buy gold. Watch for the bottom and jump in to make some serious money!
The Wall St Banksters are naked shorting the shyte out of it. The price was driven into the $1,500s today.
TaxPayer
February 20th, 2013
7:40 pm
Is that Newt’s head down near the floor licking Sheldon’s shoes!
Marty Huggins'
February 20th, 2013
7:43 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
7:36 pm
Then he should know better than to advocate a warning shot as a defense mechanism.
I got friends who are required to do the same.
Doesn’t mean I’m going hunting with them.
Again I am solely basing my comments off of those he has posted.
If he has had the type of training you say he has then he should know that is not a reccome station for self defense and is in fact even a risk to ones survival at times.
I’ll ask you as we’ll to provide any source of a personal defense or gun safety expert who would agree with firing warning shots.
iBS Aplenty
February 20th, 2013
7:45 pm
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone (and aim it at Bookman) – OK, OK, just kidding…. so the Big Guy didn’t say that last part but the sentiment’s still accurate. Adelson can give money to whomever he wishes, within the law, and Newt was a happy to have the funds. Now, what seems abundantly clear is the contribution(s) by Adelson CLEARLY didn’t influence Gingrich’s political philosophy.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
7:45 pm
I’ll ask you as we’ll[sic] to provide any source of a personal defense or gun safety expert who would agree with firing warning shots.
You can ask, but I never made any claims one way or the other, sport.
Marty Huggins'
February 20th, 2013
7:46 pm
godless heathen – owner of many things he does not need
February 20th, 2013
7:37 pm
Granted but I don’t think kids in fields are the ones to worry about.
I too have ran from the sound of a shotgun by an old man but I have never invaded someone’s home either so don’t know if I’m the target audience
Marty Huggins'
February 20th, 2013
7:48 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
7:45 pm
Didn’t claim you had made a declaration either way.
Just thought since you wanted to weigh in you may be able add something to the discussion.
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
7:49 pm
“Then he should know better than to advocate a warning shot as a defense mechanism”
You should let the navy know about that. THEY call it “a shot across the bow”
bman.
February 20th, 2013
7:50 pm
guns? That is so 2012
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
7:50 pm
Just thought since you wanted to weigh in you may be able add something to the discussion.
I did add something to the discussion, sport.
You are making some pretty damn fool assumptions.
josef
February 20th, 2013
7:50 pm
BROSEPHUS
Speaking of that upcoming meeting..
.
http://destroyzionism.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/1310052454430.jpg?w=409&h=288
josef
February 20th, 2013
7:57 pm
bman
@ 7:50
Really? Learn the truth, my friend…
http://www.trueorthodox.com/pictures/jewswantgun.jpg
Recon 0311 2533
February 20th, 2013
7:58 pm
If you got hit with a shotgun blast at short range
Soothsayer, technically you’re correct, however, keep in mind that most self defense encounters occur within about 25 yards. At that range a 12 gauge with say 2 3/4 inch 00 buck will only shoot a pattern about the size of a half dollar. It won’t fully expand a pattern to approximately the size of a pizza pan until about 45 yards. That means in a confrontation at close range you still will need to aim. Of course at point blank range it would obviously be no brainer literaly speaking. Joe Biden on the advantage of a double barreled scatter gun really displayed his ignorance. That said a shotgun pump action with an extended magazine is ideal for in home protection but you better understand its limitation and more importantly, your own.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
8:03 pm
… but you better understand its limitation and more importantly, your own.
That’s why they invented gun ranges.
bman.
February 20th, 2013
8:03 pm
Josef.. .. thanks haha
The Real Jew News — I like that
JamVet
February 20th, 2013
8:04 pm
Alas, the poor imploding GOP.
One day the faketriots will finally grok that all their billions of dirty dollars and dark money cannot go to the polling place and vote for them.
And the loser dufus that said “Corporations are people, my friend” is living proof of how ONLY the most gullible and trickled upon are willing to simply give up our sovereignty to “the monied interests” (Thomas Jefferson) and support such nonsense.
No sale.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmlQUc9hQLI
Soothsayer
February 20th, 2013
8:05 pm
Del, I’m talking about close range, i.e., <10 ft.
Soothsayer
February 20th, 2013
8:06 pm
“The Real Jew News”
Why is it that I envision (God rest her soul) Gilda Radner doing that on SNL?
josef
February 20th, 2013
8:08 pm
IMAM
While we’re at it, can I use this one for my picture in the new format?
http://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/1.299688.1278061539!/image/2395949582.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_640/2395949582.jpg
Marty Huggins'
February 20th, 2013
8:09 pm
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
7:49 pm
Are you really comparing personal security of ones home to that of a naval ship?
Seriously you see that as apples to apples?
Do you advocate defending ones home in the same manor the military defends its property and our country?
josef
February 20th, 2013
8:10 pm
bman
I thought you’d like that!
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
8:13 pm
“Are you really comparing personal security of ones home to that of a naval ship?”
A shot across the bow is a non-lethal warning shot. Doesn’t matter the size of the weapon. It’s NON-LETHAL. So yes, I AM comparing them
josef
February 20th, 2013
8:14 pm
IMAM
ooops…this is it, I hope
http://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/1.299688.1278061539!/image/2395949582.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_640/2395949582.jpg
bman.
February 20th, 2013
8:15 pm
Josef.. .. I’m looking fwd to seeing the pictures the users here will use when the switch is made. I sort of imagine Kamchak with a picture of the Holiday Inn Express. Maybe Aquagirl in a bikini top. Doggone with her 10 indoor dogs (it’s true) and so on…
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
8:16 pm
Marty: Again show where any group or expert has advocated firing warning shots and how well of a self defense decision doing so is?
Is English not your first language? Why are you adamant about me defending YOUR assertion? You’re the one talking about experts, not me. I am not one to try to play the game of “debate my points for me” because I don’t defend things that I don’t say.
Once again so you can understand., Biden’s advice was something he gave to HIS wife. I don’t ever recall him claiming to be an expert nor did I make that claim. What Joe advises his wife to do isn’t some cut and paste advice that works for everyone. If Dr. Biden can run off an intruder with a warning shot, then that’s less psychological issues she will have to deal with later.
Is that advice I would give to my wife, no. I have handguns in the house, and they are much easier for her to target and shoot with. If you wish to ask me to prove/disprove something, at least make it something that I actually said, ok?
bman.
February 20th, 2013
8:16 pm
http://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/1.299688.1278061539!/image/2395949582.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_640/2395949582.jpg
Soothsayer
February 20th, 2013
8:16 pm
If even one of you dumbasses has enough ambition, I encourage you to read this article. Oh, you don’t have to read it now. Just bookmark it or add it to your favorites and read it before you go to bed. You will never think about things the same again.
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
8:18 pm
“Doggone with her 10 indoor dogs (it’s true) and so on…”
Well, it was true. I’m down to 2 now. I’ve lost 6 of them in the last 3 years.
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
8:19 pm
josef
You’re gonna make me wake the baby from laughing so hard and loud.
getalife
February 20th, 2013
8:20 pm
While you cons are fighting your little civil war, you might want to tell hypocrites like the newt to find something else to do for money.
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (aka "Knuckle-Dragger")
February 20th, 2013
8:23 pm
I could have sworn the guy in the picture is George Soros – you are talking about billionaires buying elections, right?
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
8:24 pm
“I could have sworn the guy in the picture is George Soros – you are talking about billionaires buying elections, right”
got any evidence to back up that assertion? Nobody else has, maybe you can do better.
Marty Huggins'
February 20th, 2013
8:26 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
7:50 pm
Does calling people sport make you feel superior?
That’s how most old people I know use it as a means to belittle who they are speaking to.
How are you using it?
What did you contribute? That He is knowledgable of guns and can hit a target.
Wooh wee that sure settles it.
I just wonder why I can’t find any mainstream experts advocating for shooting warning shots if its such a great method.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
8:28 pm
I just wonder why I can’t find any mainstream experts advocating for shooting warning shots if its such a great method.
I just wonder if you can google or bing, sport.
josef
February 20th, 2013
8:30 pm
Well, well, well lesson in how much trouble the new format will be in linking on that picture of me…hight light and open in new search page…jeeze
Marty Huggins'
February 20th, 2013
8:34 pm
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
8:13 pm
Have at it.
One is a legal venture taken on by US ships of the Navy or Coast Guard.
One is illegal in the state which the scenario is to take place.
Also one is fired by highly trained men and women,
While the other is fired by a citizen with no formal combat training.
So yeah they are the same
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
8:36 pm
“While the other is fired by a citizen with no formal combat training
It doesn’t take a lot of training to shoot a shotgun loaded with a salt load into the air, now does it?
Marty Huggins'
February 20th, 2013
8:38 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
8:28 pm
Can you?
I have asked more than once for self defense experts who advocate a warning shot.
I even asked you specifically. Still haven’t got anything in return from you.
I am asking because I can’t find it.
All I keep finding is people discussing the illegality of it and the dangers involved with doing so.
What did you find to support whatever it is you support?
moonbat betty
February 20th, 2013
8:40 pm
IMO, the new format has to have:
a larger font (and my vision is very good, thank you.)
Bold the poster’s name and have the comment one font size smaller.
Allow some kind of html (or anything) for providing links, bold,etc, etc.
I can’t wait to see the pictures of you cats!
I haven’t signed up or decided on a picture yet (I will post a recent one though.)
lol
appleseed
February 20th, 2013
8:40 pm
Newt just may be a little hypocritical.I would think his star student learned this from him.If it is not a generic trait.
комиссар (Occupation)
February 20th, 2013
8:40 pm
josef: “Oh, habe ich Nietzsche im Original.gelesen und studiert Nitzsche. Nietzsche ist der klassische europäische Antisemit des 19. Jahrhunderts”
Was!?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
8:40 pm
What did you find to support whatever it is you support?
A photo of Andressa Urach.
Recon 0311 2533
February 20th, 2013
8:41 pm
Warning shots are indeed effective and will discourage an intruder. The problem is you must live out in the country because living in a subdivision you wouldn’t want to put rounds or shotgun pellets through your neighbors walls. Also you’re probably not going to have much time if there’s an invasion of your home, so your armed defense won’t allow for tactical response beyond applying deadly force as quickly and as accurately as the circumstance coupled with your own ability allows.
Marty Huggins'
February 20th, 2013
8:42 pm
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
8:36 pm
In the scenario given i do not think salt was specified.
Didn’t even specify if it was shot of any type or if it was a slug.
Lets hope it was shot.
Do you know VP Bidens wife well enough to know for sure she would know the difference?
Has she fired the shotgun enough times to be prepared for the kick.
Most importantly why would you want to give away your location unless one is looking for a confrontation.
Again something most if not all self defense experts would advise against.
But you seem to like to compare to military, maybe she should just go preemptive strike on the intruders?
josef
February 20th, 2013
8:42 pm
BROSEPHUS
http://harmonia.meccahosting.com/~a0002223/jewish_ninja.jpg
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
8:44 pm
“In the scenario given i do not think salt was specified”
Maybe not, but *I* mentioned it earlier
“But you seem to like to compare to military, maybe she should just go preemptive strike on the intruders?”
Don’t expect me to defend YOUR stupid words…it doesn’t work.
Marty Huggins'
February 20th, 2013
8:44 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
8:40 pm
I support Butts and Bikinis too but how does that involve this conversation?
dixie normous
February 20th, 2013
8:45 pm
Why is planned parenthood getting money from us when they are doing this:
A Planned Parenthood doctor forced a woman to undergo an abortion without anesthesia and then botched the procedure leaving her to seek treatment at a nearby hospital, according to a lawsuit filed in a Colorado court. An emergency room doctor later discovered parts of the baby’s body had been left inside the woman’s womb
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
8:45 pm
Marty
One last thing…
I am trained to stop the threat. The easiest target to hit is center mass because it’s the largest part of the body. When the sh*t hits the fan, you generally lose fine motor skills, so the thought of the average person taking that one shot to end everything is not likely going to happen. Instead, you’ll have the 12 shots fired, and the person gets grazed once.
My training is to avoid that scenario and keep my composure so that I can end things as quickly as possible with as few casualties as possible. I’ve been sent out on assignment before just because of my marksmanship. However, if it helps you to sleep at night, I couldn’t hit the broadside of a barn if I were shooting laser guided munitions with someone painting the target for me.
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
8:47 pm
“Why is planned parenthood getting money from us when they are doing this”
They don’t get money from “us” for abortions. It’s against the law. I refer you to the Hyde Amendment
dixie normous
February 20th, 2013
8:47 pm
i doubt the woman admitting to voting 12 times did so all by herself.”
Did she say it to get her fifteen minutes or is there proof?
yes, they found her ballots.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
8:48 pm
Why is planned parenthood getting money from us…
When you have to lie to make a point, you really have no point.
moonbat betty
February 20th, 2013
8:51 pm
global warming!
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
8:51 pm
“When you have to lie to make a point, you really have no point”
and I’m sure you noticed, as did I, that there was no link to that story.
Marty Huggins'
February 20th, 2013
8:51 pm
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
8:45 pm
I don’t question your marksmanship.
As I said I do not know you.
How does firing a shot to alert the intruders to your position figure into your training?
Maybe my oldest friend is still a ranger sniper has been for a while about to start training future snipers soon.
I think he would agree as would you that when dealing with a hostile threat disclosing ones location is not the best advice
appleseed
February 20th, 2013
8:51 pm
Doubtful # pellets would go through your neighbors wall.
appleseed
February 20th, 2013
8:52 pm
#8
dixie normous
February 20th, 2013
8:53 pm
the only people voting should be taxpayers and/or property owners. If you arent invested in this country then you should not have a say in the countrys future. Too many people with nothing invested are voting for people hellbent of destroying the country. They want too much that we just cannot afford. But their candidates keep giving them more and taking more from those that are assets to the country. We have too many liabilities here to sustain a country.
Real Scootter
February 20th, 2013
8:53 pm
Marty Huggins’
February 20th, 2013
8:42 pm
Good luck on getting someone here to run down your rabbit hole!
I don’t often say this ,but,put up or shut up dude!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
8:55 pm
and I’m sure you noticed, as did I, that there was no link to that story.
Yeah, and even drudgey doesn’t have a link to it.
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
8:56 pm
“If you arent invested in this country then you should not have a say in the countrys future”
Everyone’s a taxpayer, so you’re getting your wish.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
8:56 pm
the only people voting should be taxpayers and/or property owners.
Everybody pays taxes, sport.
josef
February 20th, 2013
8:57 pm
комиссар
Ja. Aber beachte, ich sagte dem 19. Jahrhundert. Ich wollte nicht sagen, dass er war ein Nazi. Es gibt einen großen Unterschied.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
8:57 pm
JINX!
JamVet
February 20th, 2013
8:57 pm
Capitalism has been perverted and the democracy damaged, just as one of our most brilliant presidents warned.
“a vast accession of strength from their younger recruits, who, having nothing in them of the feelings or principles of ‘76, now look to a single and splendid government of an aristocracy, founded on banking institutions, and monied incorporations under the guise and cloak of their favored branches of manufactures, commerce and navigation, riding and ruling over the plundered ploughman and beggared yeomanry.” ~Thomas Jefferson from an 1825 letter to William Branch Giles
Plundered and beggarly, indeed President Jefferson.
The monied interests used to be our servants, now they are our masters, exactly as you predicted. Even the more honest Republicans of today can no longer deny this. Labor unions have been crushed. Uncle Sam has been disempowered from regulating (well regulated militia, my ___!), investigating and prosecuting white collar and environmental criminals. Giant multinationals have lobbyists that write much of our legislation. There is a revolving door between the agency big wigs in DC and the monied interests that they are supposed to be monitoring and making adhere to our laws. Nader is right – Washington is corporate owned territory.
The future of the republic is in the balance. And the question is do we the people even have the power anymore to wrest our sovereignty back? The worldwide Occupy protests gave us the first glimmer of hope in a long while that the answer is yes…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7Yakl_xIkc
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
8:58 pm
Marty
He will also likely tell you that no two situations are exactly alike. If that intruder has a crowbar and you rack a shotgun, chances are that he’s hauling ass. That’s not even firing a shot. There is something about a pump action shotgun that affects people differently than any other weapon does.
I’m guessing the experts also advise you on how to deal with the emotional issues that come from actually pointing a gun at a person, pulling the trigger, and witnessing what that round does to their body.
Marty Huggins'
February 20th, 2013
8:58 pm
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
8:44 pm
Doesn’t matter what you added the scenario being discussed was that of VP Biden.
You made it clear you were ok with using the same methods the military uses as a means for home defense.
Has the military not used preemptive strikes before?
Or are you just going to pick and choose what military actions you want and disregard the rest?
No words in your mouth just an explanation.
But maybe we are getting back on topic with hypocrisy and only when something supports you is it good.
Didn’t know you had so much in common with Newt.
I could say and bring up many other non deadly means to use in the situation.
But the scenario given by the VP and the one in discussion made no mention of salt rounds.
TBS
February 20th, 2013
8:58 pm
“the only people voting should be taxpayers and/or property owners. ”
Well I guess those who are voting currently should continue to vote because in some form or another, they are all paying taxes.
Thulsa Doom
February 20th, 2013
9:02 pm
Snowstorm hits Scottsale, AZ screwing up PGA plans. And the global warming kooks on the Bookman blog say “What”.
barking frog
February 20th, 2013
9:02 pm
The only people voting should be citizens who
want to vote.
dixie normous
February 20th, 2013
9:02 pm
“If you arent invested in this country then you should not have a say in the countrys future”
Everyone’s a taxpayer, so you’re getting your wish.
obama got a lot of votes from people that pay nothing. They get free housing, cell phones, etc. And they voted to keep getting more. They should not be voting because they have paid nothing to live here. We are paying them to live here. Rediculous.
dixie normous
February 20th, 2013
9:03 pm
And many of those sorry pathetic obama voters voted numerous times. thats how the bum was elected and reelected.
Recon 0311 2533
February 20th, 2013
9:04 pm
A few years ago I bought my wife a 40 cal. S&W semi-auto compact for protection. She had never fired a weapon before but with about 30 minutes of my fast track training she was tearing the kill zones out of the targets at 15, 20 and 25 yards. It wasn’t my instruction it was a natural targeting ability many women possess for some unexplained reason. When we came home from the range she had no interest in learning how to clean the weapon and has since shown no interest in returning to the range. Hopefully, if there’s ever a need she’ll know what to do instinctively because it wouldn’t be through training and dedicated practice. I have the gun locked up but I’ve shown her how to get it.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
9:04 pm
Rediculous.[sic]
There’s your sign.
getalife
February 20th, 2013
9:04 pm
“shotgun pellets through your neighbors walls.”
That shows you are ignorant of travel distance of a shotgun.
dixie normous
February 20th, 2013
9:04 pm
Dunkin Donuts is the latest company to cut back employees hours to avoid obamacare. i hope obama voters are happy.
JamVet
February 20th, 2013
9:05 pm
…the only people voting should be taxpayers and/or property owners…
And after having seen this type of filth more than a couple of times here, it always amazes me that some Americans are actually this willing to use the Constitution of the United States of America as toilet paper.
dixie normous
February 20th, 2013
9:06 pm
obama wanted sequester, he condemned any that opposed it, he signed it into law. Now he wants people to think he is against what it will do. And his stupid followers are buying it. obama owns this mess
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
9:07 pm
i hope obama voters are happy.
Overjoyed and ecstatic, sport.
dixie normous
February 20th, 2013
9:09 pm
obama doesnt care about the Constitution. He kills Americans without any due process. He wants to ban guns. So dont post about how you support the Constitution when you support him.
TaxPayer
February 20th, 2013
9:09 pm
Republicans continue to prove they don’t do math or science with their comments.
getalife
February 20th, 2013
9:09 pm
I could not be happier but the question is why are you so miserable?
dixie normous
February 20th, 2013
9:10 pm
i hope obama voters are happy.
Overjoyed and ecstatic, sport.
It shows how much you despise this one great country.
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
9:11 pm
Recon
I can’t remember where I first saw it, but even my academy instructors brought up how it’s easier to teach females how to shoot, and they’re usually better than some men. Men tend to have their ego get in the way instead of listening and following instruction with no preconceived idea that they already know how to shoot.
Look before I leap...
February 20th, 2013
9:11 pm
I see that dixie’s new job of being a full time Rush transcriptionist has really taken off.
dixie normous
February 20th, 2013
9:11 pm
I find it hard to believe some of the same people are still on here from 8 this morning. Obviously some people have no life because spewing liberal tripe is useless in our wonderful bright red state… LOL..
They dont have anything else to do. Not like they have a job and actually earn a living. No, they depend on the govt to raise our taxes to provide for them. Bunch of sorry bums.
Marty Huggins'
February 20th, 2013
9:12 pm
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
8:58 pm
I have never shot anyone that I know of.
Because of the places I have been playing ball I have witnessed more than one person get shot and even a couple of bombs go off and the destruction they caused.
I have also both had a gun pointed at me and I have hidden with a gun prepared to fire if found.
The main reason my agent knows not even to ask about me playing in the Middle East ever again.
Recon 0311 2533
February 20th, 2013
9:12 pm
That shows you are ignorant of travel distance of a shotgun.
No that shows how ignorant you are. I’m absolute certain I’ve got more time with tactical shotguns than you have taking showers.
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
9:13 pm
“You made it clear you were ok with using the same methods the military uses as a means for home defense”
I refer you to the difference between a singular and a plural. YOU are the one saying “methodS”…not me. You want to defend that, be my guest. It won’t work to try to get me to do it for you.
TaxPayer
February 20th, 2013
9:13 pm
I’m a happy Obama voter. By the way, I hear Starbucks has always offered even their part-time employees comprehensive health insurance. Dunkin’ Doughnuts cannot afford to do the same because they were bought out by Mitt Romney’s company and loaded down with huge amounts of debt that Mitt and Co. subsequently siphoned off in exchange for their sage advice to pay down their debt.
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
9:14 pm
“And the global warming kooks on the Bookman blog say “What”.”
Why? See, it’s global climate change, not global warming. And one of the predictions is wider swings between cold and hot seasons. So it’s not out of the prediction to have snow in AZ in FEBRUARY, when it’s…you know…WINTER.
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
9:15 pm
“obama got a lot of votes from people that pay nothing”
Got proof?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
9:16 pm
It shows how much you despise this one great country.
Time to have your eyes checked, sport.
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
9:16 pm
“And many of those sorry pathetic obama voters voted numerous times”
Now’s your chance to dig up the proof and get your 2 seconds of fame
Recon 0311 2533
February 20th, 2013
9:16 pm
Brosephus,
I had heard it before but never believed it until I witnessed my little Chinese wife who had never fired a cap gun before put tight groups on the targets and then would ask me how she was doing.
getalife
February 20th, 2013
9:16 pm
del,
So how many walls can the pellets travel through to hit the neighbors?
Thulsa Doom
February 20th, 2013
9:17 pm
“i hope obama voters are happy.”
Ha! You don’t know the mindless Obama voters and the Bookman kooks. Obama could have them swimming in a pool full of poop and they would say they are happy.
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
9:17 pm
“Dunkin Donuts is the latest company to cut back employees hours”
Well, there’s one company to avoid. Thanks for the warning.
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
9:17 pm
“he condemned any that opposed it”
Got proof?
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
9:18 pm
“He wants to ban guns”
Got proof?
getalife
February 20th, 2013
9:18 pm
I can draw shooting the finger on my targets.
Then I shred it with three clips.
Doomy's casino
February 20th, 2013
9:18 pm
Ding ding ding! The over/under on the sport card today was 6,000. Looks like some lucky better is in the money!
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
9:19 pm
“They dont have anything else to do”
Like people who have nothing to do but notice how often others post to a blog?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
9:19 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcEKPAKuvgU
moonbat betty
February 20th, 2013
9:20 pm
Geez, Recon.
How you can have any more patience with these elitists obama voters is beyond me.
I don’t know why obama didn’t re-iterate the great economic revival to the rest of us last week (or whenever his lame speech was given)…
Soothsayer
February 20th, 2013
9:20 pm
How about a little beauty? The video starts at around 1:25. A centimeter is a little less than a quarter inch. Or about 3 centimeters to the inch.
moonbat betty
February 20th, 2013
9:21 pm
aww, hell, I gots an extra “s” in theres somewhere.
Git it. lol
Marty Huggins'
February 20th, 2013
9:21 pm
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
9:13 pm
So let me get it straight don’t want to misuse your words.
Do you feel the only time the military applies to home defense is in the application you have regarding a naval ship?
You said singular not plural so I am going with the only one you mentioned.
Is that your stance?
getalife
February 20th, 2013
9:22 pm
Answer the question expert.
Of course you are dead wrong as always.
You should work on that con.
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
9:22 pm
“How you can have any more patience with these elitists obama voters”
“obama got a lot of votes from people that pay nothing. They get free housing, cell phones, etc. And they voted to keep getting more. They should not be voting because they have paid nothing to live here”
Methinks there’s just a SLIGHT disconnect on the economic and social staus of “Obama voters”
You guys need to get your lies coordinated to keep from looking even MORE foolish than you already do.
Granny Godzilla
February 20th, 2013
9:22 pm
Rick Scott of Florida agrees to Medicaid expansion
Pardon me Governor Deal – Are you listening?
You are now returned to your regular programming
Night all
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
9:23 pm
“Do you feel the only time the military applies to home defense is in the application you have regarding a naval ship”
Your words, not mine. Mine are out there for anyone with sense to read and understand. I won’t defend your words. I’ve already told you twice that doesn’t work.
moonbat betty
February 20th, 2013
9:23 pm
To Kam:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1jYyrLXwI8
dance, Kam, dance
Thulsa Doom
February 20th, 2013
9:23 pm
“I don’t know why obama didn’t re-iterate the great economic revival to the rest of us last week”
The great economc revival? Now DAT is FUN-KNEE!
TaxPayer
February 20th, 2013
9:24 pm
Poor cons! They’re always so bitter. Probably because they’re, well, poor cons.
Look before I leap...
February 20th, 2013
9:24 pm
@Thulsa
Just in case you are interested more in facts than right-wing head in the sand stupidity:
This article does a nice job summing up how global warming is linked to climate change.
http://dsc.discovery.com/tv-shows/curiosity/topics/worst-effects-global-warming.htm
moonbat betty
February 20th, 2013
9:24 pm
dang, Granny stayed up till 9:22!
комиссар (Occupation)
February 20th, 2013
9:24 pm
dixie normous: “the only people voting should be taxpayers and/or property owners…”
Oops, looks like you were born a couple of centuries too late. Sorry.
Say, you skin is white, right? Just checkin.
Recon 0311 2533
February 20th, 2013
9:24 pm
So how many walls can the pellets travel through to hit the neighbors?
That’s a variable but in many neighborhoods today where neighbors are so close they can reach outside a window just to shake hands a 12 gauge 00 buck round or 3 inch magnum can tear through doors windows and even siding to harm people.
getalife
February 20th, 2013
9:25 pm
The gop are one giant regulation trying to kill thousands of more jobs and you cons cheer that on.
Zip it on the economy cons.
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
9:25 pm
“dang, Granny stayed up till 9:22!”
Well, gee, and so did you
Jackie
February 20th, 2013
9:27 pm
Our so-called conservative friends put their faith in the news presented by FOX.
Here is information that shows how FOX has used misleading information in their attempt to disparage the Obama economic record.
By the way, there are other sources that reach the same conclusion(s).
http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/05/01/fox-uses-misleading-numbers-to-attack-obamas-ec/184713
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
9:27 pm
Dance betty, dance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueKjFb9eB6k
moonbat betty
February 20th, 2013
9:27 pm
Did you step in poo poo, Doggone/GA?
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
9:29 pm
“Did you step in poo poo, Doggone/GA?”
Yep, it’s been THICK around here lately. Hard to avoid.
And now I’m out. Got an early day tomorrow.
moonbat betty
February 20th, 2013
9:29 pm
dance Kam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7hHx7gdN68
Marty Huggins'
February 20th, 2013
9:30 pm
Doggone/GA
February 20th, 2013
9:23 pm
It was a direct question about your words.
Simply asking if that is the only time you feel that way about military and home defense.
Is that too difficult for you to answer? Or had you not thought about it that deeply?
Not my words asking for clarification on your words?
Are you in agreement with any other non lethal methods the military employs?
You did say they were similar and worthy of comparing because they were both non lethal.
Is it all non lethal methods or just that particular one you gave us
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
9:31 pm
Dance betty, dance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WZ33w3B8Hw
getalife
February 20th, 2013
9:31 pm
How many walls del?
Marty Huggins'
February 20th, 2013
9:31 pm
Real Scootter
February 20th, 2013
8:53 pm
Put up what?
Recon 0311 2533
February 20th, 2013
9:32 pm
betty,
Economics has never been the lefts strong suit but Paul Krugman loves it because he can pretend to be an economist in their eyes.
Look before I leap...
February 20th, 2013
9:32 pm
“Obama could have them swimming in a pool full of poop ”
Would you not agree that a swimming pool full of poop is better than the ocean of fecal matter left by the previous administration?
moonbat betty
February 20th, 2013
9:33 pm
dance, Kam, dance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb1cpSJtIqM
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
9:35 pm
Dance betty, dance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5mtclwloEQ
Thulsa Doom
February 20th, 2013
9:35 pm
Look before I leap,
You coulda just said when its cold its global warming and when its hot its global warming. See how easy that is?
moonbat betty
February 20th, 2013
9:36 pm
Recon,
Jackie
February 20th, 2013
9:36 pm
The biography of Paul Krugman
http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/economics/laureates/2008/krugman.html
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
9:37 pm
http://static1.firedoglake.com/29/files/2012/08/PaulKrugman_Tired.jpg
moonbat betty
February 20th, 2013
9:40 pm
Kam, don’t bring Fred into this.
Dance Kam:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj9_yW8tZxs
Look before I leap...
February 20th, 2013
9:40 pm
“Economics has never been the lefts strong suit…”
Interesting article on the US economy and presidential administrations.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2012/10/10/want-a-better-economy-history-says-vote-democrat/
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
9:40 pm
Dance betty, dance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGNiXGX2nLU
Thulsa Doom
February 20th, 2013
9:42 pm
“Mar 25, 2011 – Right now, deficits don’t matter — a point borne out by all the evidence.”- Paul Krugman. I reckon he musta been separated at birth from Cheney.
Soothsayer
February 20th, 2013
9:42 pm
Could it be . . . ? Nah!
Real Scootter
February 20th, 2013
9:44 pm
Dance betty, dance.
Kam,that was awesome!!!!
You and Jam have my vote for Blog DJs.(if I can figure out how to get it on the new site) Whew!
Useless Bookman
February 20th, 2013
9:45 pm
Doggone/GA
“They dont have anything else to do”
Like people who have nothing to do but notice how often others post to a blog?
Its really easy to scroll… And it certainly don’t take a rocket scientist to get around Bookmans failed block.
Which reminds me of what I had to say when he so rudely cut me off last night and he cut me off last night.
When people talk about dolphins being smarter than humans I usually just roll my eyes. But then I come on this blog and read what libs are saying and it makes sense.
Thulsa Doom
February 20th, 2013
9:46 pm
“Would you not agree that a swimming pool full of poop is better than the ocean of fecal matter left by the previous administration?”
Look before I leap,
You coulda just everything is W’s fault.
Recon 0311 2533
February 20th, 2013
9:47 pm
Ummm, Steve Forbes has contributors of differing economic and political persuasions. Hartung has written things that I agree with and many things I disagree with.
moonbat betty
February 20th, 2013
9:47 pm
dance kam dance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqGXM23WUbs
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
9:49 pm
Dance betty, dance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwb9-OlQimc
getalife
February 20th, 2013
9:51 pm
How many rw economic experts predicted the collapse.
Zero.
appleseed
February 20th, 2013
9:51 pm
centimeter little less than1/4 inch. or about 3 centimeters in an inch. I suppose that about the size #8 buckshot.
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
9:52 pm
Marty
Haven’t been around any explosions, but I’ve seen quite a few shootings, even to the point of having birdshot falling on me like it was raining. Those kind of things you never forget. The sight of someone getting shot point blank isn’t easy to forget either.
I’ve never had to shoot anyone, and I’m hoping that I won’t have to do so either. That said, if I’m in the situation where I need to, I hope my training kicks in like instinct and I’m able to survive and do my reports like I’m trained to do.
I have a friend who’s played Europe and Russia. From what he’s told me, I’ll let y’all have that to yourselves.
————–
Recon
I witnessed it for the first time when I was at the academy. We didn’t lose a single female in our class to firearms quals. It is indeed a sight to behold, even better when you’re doing the teaching and can see the results right in front of you.
moonbat betty
February 20th, 2013
9:53 pm
Geez, Kam
OK Kam
Dance your heart out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmAYwGw_eDI
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
9:53 pm
Y’all have fun. Gotta catch a nap when I can right about now.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
9:55 pm
Dance betty, dance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z7fV-wB2z8
Look before I leap...
February 20th, 2013
9:55 pm
@Thulsa
Correct me if I am wrong, but did you not infer that people who think global warming is actually occurring are kooks?
“And the global warming kooks on the Bookman blog say “What””
And correct me again if I am wrong, but did you not intend to indicate that global warming could not be true due to the fact that it is snowing on a mountain, in southern AZ, in February as proof?
BTW the Accenture is being played in Marana, not Scottsdale.
JamVet
February 20th, 2013
9:56 pm
No doubt, Look. This sucker could go down. does not fit in a swimming pool!
Hemorrhaging gawd knows how many jobs and TRILLIONS of dollars. Gone. In no time flat.
Welcome to Compassionate Conservatism. Wall Street and K Street style.
And Christian Conservative seems bent on going out in the same imploding fashion. Only to come back in some even more degraded form!
Maybe some music will soothe his savage breast.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h11GolBkh8
Thulsa Doom
February 20th, 2013
9:56 pm
“When people talk about dolphins being smarter than humans I usually just roll my eyes. But then I come on this blog and read what libs are saying and it makes sense.”
Definitely deserving of a
B
O
O
M
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moonbat betty
February 20th, 2013
10:01 pm
anyone can dance to this!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRadA7074wk
Marty Huggins'
February 20th, 2013
10:01 pm
Brosephus™
February 20th, 2013
9:52 pm
In playing professionally for 6 years and in about 25-30 countries I have seen the best and the very worst of society.
We have problems here at home but I have found it better than any of the alternatives I’ve been able to see first hand.
Real Scootter
February 20th, 2013
10:02 pm
Here’s to Kam and moonbat!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBu8h1Js5Fg
A little blast from the past.
Recon 0311 2533
February 20th, 2013
10:03 pm
Well y’all it’s about time to get my 6 or 7 in before the time to get my little girl up for school, she’s sound asleep now. If someone had told me seven years ago at my age what lay ahead in my near future I would have rolled on the floor in laughter. Sometimes I wonder if the good Lord loves me or is punishing me. Based on the joy he must love me, though if that’s true, I’m undeserving. Taps
Look before I leap...
February 20th, 2013
10:05 pm
@recon 2533
I don’t find Hartung to be particularly partisan.
He is a numbers guy (which makes him near and dear to my heart).
An analysis I did sometime ago actually indicates that the US economy performs best under Democratic administrations with Republican control of the House – the Senate demographics seem to have little impact one way or the other.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
10:06 pm
Thanks Scootter.
Back atcha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjRD5u0MOVU
moonbat betty
February 20th, 2013
10:06 pm
Real Scootter,
I like.
You are a gentle soul.
Now, can I get back to out-dancing Kam?
getalife
February 20th, 2013
10:06 pm
Collapsed the economy, blew up the deficit, lost two occupations, etc..
Yeah, you cons are really not very intelligent but your arrogance is way up there.
We need a new word for these fake blowhards.
Lets call them bushers.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
10:07 pm
Dance betty, dance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOK7jSATMa0
Thulsa Doom
February 20th, 2013
10:10 pm
“Correct me if I am wrong, but did you not infer that people who think global warming is actually occurring are kooks?”- Look before I leap
First of all I imply and you infer. Got it? That’s the first correction.
Secondly I did not imply that people who think that global warming is occurring are kooks- I believe I said the Bookman kooks which would denote that I am speaking specifically of SOME of the kooks on his blog.
I myself happen to believe that the earth is in a slight warming trend. Where I and other rational people and many scientists disagree with the chicken little crowd is if and how much of the warming trend is directly attributable to man made activities.
“And correct me again if I am wrong, but did you not intend to indicate that global warming could not be true due to the fact that it is snowing on a mountain, in southern AZ, in February as proof?”
Um. No. Frankly I’m a little disappointed in you that you can’t pick up on the satire of the point- which is that its foolish to use one day weather events to point out a case for long term weather patterns. I used this in a mocking point of all the Kook claims that we’ve seen on here as evidence of global warming every time there is a one day weather event that they think proves global warming. My apologies. I forgot to use my patented kd (kook disclaimer) to point out satire to the liberals who usually don’t get it. And sure enough you didn’t get it.
Look before I leap...
February 20th, 2013
10:11 pm
@Doom
I did not say everything was W’s fault.
Orange13
February 20th, 2013
10:12 pm
Getalife,
Who blew up the deficit?
Ken
February 20th, 2013
10:14 pm
But Obama takes tax payers money to buy votes !!!!!!!!!!!! That ok Jay ?? Two billion dollars for Obama phones !!! Billions for GM UAW votes !!!
moonbat betty
February 20th, 2013
10:14 pm
Dance, Kam, dance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR8D2yqgQ1U
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
10:15 pm
Dance betty, dance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXfXTB7UcuU
getalife
February 20th, 2013
10:18 pm
Orange,
w had a surplus and blew out the deficit. Fact.
JamVet
February 20th, 2013
10:19 pm
Who blew up the deficit?
Originally?
Ronald Reagan.
By a country light year…
комиссар (Occupation)
February 20th, 2013
10:19 pm
“Economics has never been the lefts strong suit ..”
Chuckle, chuckle …
Orange13
February 20th, 2013
10:20 pm
Getalife,
Obama has added close to 6 Trillion to the National Deficit in his first 4 years. Fact.
Soothsayer
February 20th, 2013
10:20 pm
What you talkin’ ’bout?
getalife
February 20th, 2013
10:22 pm
ken,
How much did the nation building cost?
Here a hint:
Trillions.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
10:22 pm
Deficits?
Did someone mention deficits?
Which brings us to the economic level. The deficits that Bush ran up in the years in which the country was teetering on the verge of a serious recession had the beneficial effect of righting the economy. In that sense, deficits not only didn’t matter, but were a force for economic good.
Translation: IOKIYAR
getalife
February 20th, 2013
10:23 pm
Orange,
Bailouts are not free.
getalife
February 20th, 2013
10:24 pm
Deficits did not matter until the gop lost.
Orange13
February 20th, 2013
10:24 pm
Getalife,
“How much did the nation building cost?”
Whose nation are you referring to? China?
Look before I leap...
February 20th, 2013
10:25 pm
@Doom:
“And the global warming kooks on the Bookman …”
Thanks for the grammar lesson. It was the only intellectually honest thing in your post.
The attempt to pass off snark as satire did make me smile though.
td
February 20th, 2013
10:26 pm
JamVet
February 20th, 2013
10:19 pm
Who blew up the deficit?
Originally?
Ronald Reagan.
By a country light year…
You progressives can not have it both ways. If it is only Congress that can cut spending under Obama then it was only the Democratic Congress during the Regan years that blew up the debt and the Democratic Congress under the last year of GWB and the first two years of Obama that blew up the debt this time.
getalife
February 20th, 2013
10:27 pm
Orange,
Iraq and Afghanistan.
Here is a hint.
Trillions.
Orange13
February 20th, 2013
10:28 pm
Getalife,
“Deficits did not matter until the gop lost.”
That’s BS, of course they do. I don”t agree with the Bush economics. But the Obama economics have just about pushed us over the edge. Don’t you think?
getalife
February 20th, 2013
10:30 pm
Don’t you think?
Nope,. steady job growth until the sequester.
You can shut up about the economy job killers.
Thulsa Doom
February 20th, 2013
10:30 pm
“Thanks for the grammar lesson.”
You’re welcome
“It was the only intellectually honest thing in your post.”
Sez the poster who seems to think global warming is proven science.
“The attempt to pass off snark as satire did make me smile though.”
Don’t hate the playa. Hate the game.
Orange13
February 20th, 2013
10:33 pm
Getalife,
Once again. Here you go.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
It’s not going backwards.
Thulsa Doom
February 20th, 2013
10:33 pm
Good grief. Bunnies trying to talk all economical stuff. Fun- knee.
Orange13
February 20th, 2013
10:35 pm
Getalife,
Come on. Tell me that clock is a lie.
Thulsa Doom
February 20th, 2013
10:35 pm
Oh noes. The national debt clock. Its to libs what garlic is to a vampire.
Who am I kidding? They don’t give a sheet about the debt. Debt? What debt the kooks say?
getalife
February 20th, 2013
10:35 pm
You blew your chance cons.
Get to the back of the bus and be the silent tiny minority.
getalife
February 20th, 2013
10:36 pm
Deficits don’t matter.
Jm
February 20th, 2013
10:37 pm
Funny blog post jay
Newt will say anything
And everything
Jm
February 20th, 2013
10:38 pm
Get 10:36
Tell that to Greece
Orange13
February 20th, 2013
10:38 pm
Getalife,
Come on. You can come up with something a little more plausable than “get to the back of the bus” can’t you?
moonbat betty
February 20th, 2013
10:40 pm
Dance once again, Kam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEfg6XU9tdQ
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
10:40 pm
Come on. You can come up with something a little more plausable than “
get to the back of the busI don”t agree with the Bush economics.” can’t you?Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
10:41 pm
Dance betty, dance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5o4_IsY8jTc
getalife
February 20th, 2013
10:42 pm
Orange,
How about fight your lil civil war with the establishment and let the adults solve our problems.
Orange13
February 20th, 2013
10:44 pm
Getalife,
This isn’t 1861. When is Obama going to show some leadership?
JamVet
February 20th, 2013
10:45 pm
Of course, td; they were spineless enough to give him pretty much the budget he asked for. Every time, if memory serves.
Duh?!
BOTH Parties are spendaholics. The Republicans and the Republican-lites. The only difference is that the GOP has gone berserk and damn near fascistic in this monied interests are god game.
Reaganomics/trickle down killed middle and lower class wages in this country (you can look it up!) but the Chamber of Commerce and the giant multinationals that have no loyalty this country (other than as an ATM) are doing great! Staggering record profits thank you very much!!
But you knew that.
But pay no attention to the record number of corporate crimes as well. Most, resulting in a slap on the wrist or completely unpunished by the compliant and complicit Uncle Sam…
But you knew that too.
The worst government that dirty money can buy…
getalife
February 20th, 2013
10:47 pm
“When is Obama going to show some leadership?”
Leader of the free world 2.
cons nothing.
Look before I leap...
February 20th, 2013
10:48 pm
@Doom
“Sez the poster who seems to think global warming is proven science.”
I am pretty sure I never said that.
I linked to an article that talks to some of the effects of global warming.
I am certainly open to a reasoned debate about the causes of the current cycle of warning.
Citations to reputable scientific study welcome – bald opinion – not so much.
Orange13
February 20th, 2013
10:48 pm
Getalife,
Nobody told you to dance. Just answer the question.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
10:49 pm
When is Obama going to show some leadership?
Osama bin Laden says, “What?”
getalife
February 20th, 2013
10:49 pm
He led two victories over con bushers.
Orange13
February 20th, 2013
10:51 pm
“Leader of the free world 2.”
Two nuclear capable Russian bombers flew over Guam.
Chinese Army unleashes a potent cyber hack attack on USA.
Leader of the free world 2?
JamVet
February 20th, 2013
10:52 pm
Citations to reputable scientific study welcome – bald opinion – not so much.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UbbFoEAE1I
JamVet
February 20th, 2013
10:54 pm
Orange, don’t get frightened.
The “libs” have become militarists and the war weary “cons” have gone soft!
Look before I leap...
February 20th, 2013
10:55 pm
Once again. Here you go.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
It’s not going backwards.
The last time the national debt actually shrank was in the late 50’s
Top marginal tax rates were 91% too.
getalife
February 20th, 2013
10:55 pm
orange,
The gop said no to cyber security and Russia are just playing games.
putin is having health problems.
Orange13
February 20th, 2013
10:56 pm
Jam,
I’m not frightened. I just stated a couple of facts for Getalife’s benefit.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
10:57 pm
The last time the national debt actually shrank was in the late 50’s
Top marginal tax rates were 91% too.
Union membership was at all time high around 35%.
Thulsa Doom
February 20th, 2013
10:57 pm
“I am pretty sure I never said that.”
You didn’t. Its just the impression that I get which is why I stated “it seems”
“I linked to an article that talks to some of the effects of global warming”
I get that. I’ve seen plenty of credible articles from both points of view regarding global warming and I’m more interested in the science as opposed to opinion. I’ll give you a good example. The hurricane that hit NJ and NY. I’ve seen a lot of nonsense from the left saying that this sort of “weirdness” in the weather of hurricanes hitting NY and NJ is proof of global warming wreaking all kinds of havoc. Then I saw a meterologist speak on it who predicted we would see several storms over the next 4-5 years that would roll up the northeastern corridor. The culprit was an ocean occilation of some sort and the same thing happened in the late 50s where several storms ran up the northeastern coast.
And as I said I believe we are in a slight warming trend. Why has not been ephatically proven and if its due to manmade activities we do not know exactly how much of it is due to our activities. That is the part that we don’t know for sure which several of the libs on here seem to think that we know with certainty. In other words their bald opinion.
getalife
February 20th, 2013
10:57 pm
We are a center left country now.
Orange13
February 20th, 2013
10:59 pm
Getalife,
“The gop said no to cyber security and Russia are just playing games.”
What? Proof please.
And you are saying bombers flew over Guam because Putin is sick. Does that pretty much sum up what you just posted?
moonbat betty
February 20th, 2013
11:00 pm
“We are a center left country now.”
FAAAAAAAA!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsIuWn1xoYI
td
February 20th, 2013
11:01 pm
JamVet
February 20th, 2013
10:45 pm
Of course, td; they were spineless enough to give him pretty much the budget he asked for. Every time, if memory serves.
Duh?!
“BOTH Parties are spendaholics. The Republicans and the Republican-lites. The only difference is that the GOP has gone berserk and damn near fascistic in this monied interests are god game.”
Some truth to that statement.
“Reaganomics/trickle down killed middle and lower class wages in this country (you can look it up!) but the Chamber of Commerce and the giant multinationals that have no loyalty this country (other than as an ATM) are doing great! Staggering record profits thank you very much!! ”
You can believe that if you it makes you feel better but that does not mean it is true. Global competition and the break up of the family are the real factors of middle class wages being stagnate for the past 30 or so years. The single parent family is the cause of a great deal of our problems in this nation (there are exceptions). It is a problem that neither political party wants to address and until it is addressed and solved our underlying economic problems, education problems and criminal problems will not be resolved.
JamVet
February 20th, 2013
11:02 pm
Orange, OK. Bad choice of words on my part, sorry.
BHO has punked the post-Bush GOP repeatedly. National security is just one example.
They were completely wrong about him being some super-liberal, huh?. But then they seem to be doing a whole lot of misjudging of people (and isms) lately.
Thus, their expanding RINO problem…
getalife
February 20th, 2013
11:02 pm
Russia flew over Guam because we are shifting focus from the ME to that area.
Do you even bother to listen to our President?
If you did, you would not ask stupid questions.
moonbat betty
February 20th, 2013
11:02 pm
Come on, Kam.
$15.
Thulsa Doom
February 20th, 2013
11:04 pm
“The last time the national debt actually shrank was in the late 50’s
Top marginal tax rates were 91% too.”
Yes. But that’s also quite misleading seeing as how we were the world’s lone industrial power with Europe, Japan, and China’s industrial heartland of Manchuria all laid to waste. By the early 60s they were starting to catch up and it was so obvious the drag effect that the high taxes were having that a Democrat slashed those high tax rates to keep us competitive.
And if anyone thinks high capital gains taxes bring in high govt revenues on a consistent basis then all you have to do is look at the empirical evidence. Go back and look at the IRS tax tables from the 1920s through today and you will generally find that the lower the cap gains tax rate the higher govt revenues as a % of the economy. The ideal rate from what I’ve seen is around 20% max.
moonbat betty
February 20th, 2013
11:06 pm
getalife, do you get to drive your own drone?
Orange13
February 20th, 2013
11:08 pm
Getalife,
Yeah, I’ve been listening to him say that the impending sequester is the fault of the Republicans even though his party approved the sequester. Do you call that leadership?
getalife
February 20th, 2013
11:09 pm
“getalife, do you get to drive your own drone?”
You don’t drive drones.
moonbat betty
February 20th, 2013
11:09 pm
night night, Doom.
Stick of fork in ‘em.
bam da lam.
Thulsa Doom
February 20th, 2013
11:10 pm
“We are a center left country now.”
Translation- we’re screwed.
Nighty night kooks.
getalife
February 20th, 2013
11:10 pm
“Do you call that leadership?”
Do you remember when the turtle caved?
He will do it again.
Yes, that is called leadership.
Thulsa Doom
February 20th, 2013
11:12 pm
gnight moonbat,
Should I drive that fork into them before or after I place my prodigious boot over their throats?
Orange13
February 20th, 2013
11:12 pm
Getalife,
“If you did, you would not ask stupid questions.”
The questions aren’t stupid. You just can’t answer them truthfully.
getalife
February 20th, 2013
11:13 pm
“You just can’t answer them truthfully.”
Yet, I did.
moonbat betty
February 20th, 2013
11:15 pm
Keep the pressure TD,
Yeah, boot to getalife’s sissy throat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLya_k_lQL0
Alex
February 20th, 2013
11:16 pm
Sequester would do little to hurt the economy, several op/eds have reported this ,see chicago tribune, NY times–”the sky is falling” President Obama is not leading at all. The GOP is also leaderless, also.
moonbat betty
February 20th, 2013
11:17 pm
get:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLya_k_lQL0
Orange13
February 20th, 2013
11:17 pm
Getalife,
“Yes, that is called leadership.”
BS. This country has gone downhill since this guy has had the helm. When is he going to do something to benefit the country?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
11:18 pm
This country has gone downhill since this guy has had the helm.
DJIA 14,000 says, “What?”
moonbat betty
February 20th, 2013
11:19 pm
car wash:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v8I5egzoMo
Look before I leap...
February 20th, 2013
11:19 pm
“BS. This country has gone downhill since this guy has had the helm.”
Totally serious question.
In what way?
Orange13
February 20th, 2013
11:19 pm
Alex,
Yeah. You are right. Somebody better step up pretty soon.
Oscar
February 20th, 2013
11:21 pm
Our country is not going downhill. We are in a recovery. And making progress on the budget and debt.
Orange13
February 20th, 2013
11:22 pm
DJIA, Kam, you must be invested in that. After all this time, I thought you made your money off Obamaphones.
getalife
February 20th, 2013
11:22 pm
The economy is doing fine even with all the gop self inflicted wounds.
You should ask your party that question Orange.
Orange13
February 20th, 2013
11:22 pm
Ocar,
BS. Show me.
JamVet
February 20th, 2013
11:22 pm
Globalization? Tell me how that has flatlined the incomes of American workers for four decades.
The American worker has DOUBLED their productivity in that time and yet their incomes have done bupkis in comparison. (Unless one is in the board room where even horiffically mismanaging giant too big to fail companies into needing endless handouts, bailouts, subsides and giveaways from Uncle Sugar – i.e. you and me – often results in stupendous personal gains.)
Once again, it does not matter what households make. What matters is what individuals make.
And Reagan’s disastrous trickle down economics, “let the market police itself” “conservatism” and the fascistic suppression of labor unions and the rights of Americans to organize has been absolutely brutal on most American incomes.
Long live the Corporatocracy.
getalife
February 20th, 2013
11:24 pm
“Our country is not going downhill. We are in a recovery. And making progress on the budget and debt.”
Facts don’t matter to Orange.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
11:25 pm
I thought you made your money off Obamaphones.
“Don’t think meat, it can only hurt the ballclub.”
– Thomas “Crash” Jefferson
Orange13
February 20th, 2013
11:27 pm
Getalife,
Forget it. I’m going to start going to church so hopefully I won’t die and go to that place down there as I am sure the devil would lock me in a room and play continued posting of Getalife for eternity via a PA system and two megaphones. That would be HE double hocky sticks.
JamVet
February 20th, 2013
11:28 pm
This country has gone downhill since this guy has had the helm.
From what????
From “this sucker could go down” to “this sucker could go downer”? And thousands of flag draped coffins coming into Dover AFB?
No, we have backed the nation away from the precipice of September 2008 and the madness and death of botched occupations.
At least there is now no longer….
http://www.youtube.com/user/WidespreadPanicMusic
Marty Huggins'
February 20th, 2013
11:28 pm
“The last time the national debt actually shrank was in the late 50’s
Top marginal tax rates were 91% too.
Union membership was at all time high around 35%.”
———————
Mandatory spending was around 1/4 of total federal spending in 2011 it was accounting for more than 56% of total federal outlays.
Mandatory spending as a % of GDP has also gone up sharply
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL33074.pdf
getalife
February 20th, 2013
11:29 pm
Orange,
I accept your surrender.
Orange13
February 20th, 2013
11:33 pm
Getalife,
No white flags here.
Look before I leap...
February 20th, 2013
11:35 pm
Other than your lockstep babbling of Rushisms Orange, can you provide ANYthing that backs up your claim that the US has been in decline since 2009?
Employment?
GDP?
Housing?
Manufacturing?
Orange13
February 20th, 2013
11:35 pm
JAMVET,
“No, we have backed the nation away from the precipice of September 2008 and the madness and death of botched occupations.”
Show me the money.
td
February 20th, 2013
11:39 pm
JamVet
February 20th, 2013
11:22 pm
“Once again, it does not matter what households make. What matters is what individuals make. ”
Bogus, almost every study I have seen looks at household income. Examples: Census data as seen below and the recent Pew study. Show me some studies on individual income declining?
“As a snapshot of a nation recovering from one of its worst recessions ever, the census report had both shadows and highlights. Median household income declined $777, to $50,054 before taxes.”
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-09-12/business/35496368_1_income-inequality-median-household-income-middle-class
Their downbeat take on their economic situation comes at the end of a decade in which, for the first time since the end of World War II, mean family incomes declined for Americans in all income tiers. But the middle-income tier—defined in this Pew Research analysis as all adults whose annual household income is two-thirds to double the national median1—is the only one that also shrunk in size, a trend that has continued over the past four decades.
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/files/2012/08/pew-social-trends-lost-decade-of-the-middle-class.pdf
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
11:39 pm
Mandatory spending as a % of GDP has also gone up sharply
And CEO pay was at a much lower multiple to average worker pay, pension plans were fully funded, and health insurance was provided for workers and their families.
Orange13
February 20th, 2013
11:40 pm
Look,
Employment – 7.9, not good
GDP – you are kidding
Housing – who can afford a house
Manufacturing – not in this country.
Why don’t you lockstep to that?
JamVet
February 20th, 2013
11:43 pm
Show me the money.
Ask Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers, AIG, JP Morgan Chase and Bear Stearns, et al, not me…
Just corporate criminals playin’ with tanks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kX8lqXAONg
Orange13
February 20th, 2013
11:45 pm
JAMVET,
So Obama has helped Wall Street. Is that what you are saying?
G Mare
February 20th, 2013
11:48 pm
Hi to all who remember me. I am finally feeling well enough after the colon surgery to come back to the blog. Surgery was not fun, but the slow recovery has really sucked!
Re Newt, I have to wonder why anyone, Dem or Rep takes the old coot seriously – he is still on the Sunday shows. Why? Tho, as a watcher of many of those Sunday shows, I must admit that he occasionally makes a modicum of sense – accent on occasionally & modicum. That said, does he have any real influence with anyone in the GOP? Hmmm, well he is speaking along with Ms Palin & Allen West at some repub conclave soon. SIGH!
Marty Huggins'
February 20th, 2013
11:50 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
11:39 pm
By health insurance was provided for workers and their families…..
Are you using provide as in fully paid for it?
What was the percentage of those with work related insurance of the 1950s an what is the percentage who receive insurance through their employer today?
“The most familiar aspect of employment-based insurance’s past is its rapid growth in the first three decades after World War II, the relative stability that followed for about a decade, and the decline in coverage since the late 1980s. The exemption of employer payments for health insurance from employees’ taxable income, combined with substantial efficiency advantages of group over individual insurance, fueled rapid expansion. By the mid-1950s, 45 percent of the population had hospital insurance; coverage soared to 77 percent by 1963.1 Also, by 1963 more than half of the population had coverage for regular medical expenses, and almost one-fourth had major medical insurance.2
Employment-based coverage reached its peak sometime in the 1980s and has been declining since then. According to the Employee Benefit Research Institute (EBRI), coverage of workers ages 18–64 fell 2.8 percentage points between 1987 and 1999.3 Another EBRI series shows a decline of 3.5 percentage points from 1999 to 2004.4 Linking the two series indicates a decline of 6.3 percentage points from 1987 to 2004. Data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, derived from establishment surveys, show a decline for full-time workers in the private sector of fifteen percentage points from 1989–90 to 2003.5 Regardless of data source, it appears that the best days of employment-based insurance are in the past.”
http://m.content.healthaffairs.org/content/25/6/1538.long
Orange13
February 20th, 2013
11:51 pm
G Mare,
I’m happy you are well. Goodnight people. You too Getalife.
Look before I leap...
February 20th, 2013
11:51 pm
Actually Marty
You are correct.
The impact on the budget due to Medicare/Medicaid has been enormous (and it is getting worse).
The only way out is to either cut benefits or reign in the cost of health care.
Cutting benefits means fewer people getting proper medical care.
Reigning in costs means nationalization of health care.
Neither are very palatable choices.
Take your pick.
Marty Huggins'
February 20th, 2013
11:53 pm
Kamchak
Also how does CEO pay have anything to do with mandatory spending of the federal government?
JamVet
February 20th, 2013
11:54 pm
So Obama has helped Wall Street. Is that what you are saying?
Hello? is this thing on? Can anybody read this?
He prosecuted ZERO banksters, preferring instead “to look forward”.
Perhaps a President Warren would have the intestinal fortitude to stand up to them. Apparently none of the men in Washington do…
Jefferson was, as well, a relentless critic of the monopolizing of economic power by banks, corporations and those who put their faith in what the third president referred to as “the selfish spirit of commerce (that) knows no country, and feels no passion or principle but that of gain.
Jefferson might not have wanted a lot of government, but he wanted enough government to assert the sovereignty of citizens over corporations. To his view, nothing was more important to the health of the republic.
In the early years of the 19th century, as banks and corporations began to flex their political muscles, he announced that: “I hope we shall crush… in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country.”
G Mare
February 20th, 2013
11:55 pm
Do we really have to submit a picture with the new blog registration? If so, how does one do that? And does it have to be a pic of said blogger or one of a person, place, or thing we admire? I have a great one of a much younger
Agent Gibbs (Mark Harmon) I would enjoy sharing.
JamVet
February 20th, 2013
11:56 pm
G Mare, welcome back! We missed you!
And with that I too bid the forum a fond adieu…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 20th, 2013
11:57 pm
G Mare
Good to have you back. Congrats on the successful surgery.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 21st, 2013
12:02 am
Also how does CEO pay have anything to do with mandatory spending of the federal government?
Really?
If corporation lowered the pay of executives, they could raise the pay of the workers.
You don’t see a connection between higher worker pay and fewer WIC vouchers?
It’s all connected, sport.
Perhaps you shouldn’t compartmentalize so much.
td
February 21st, 2013
12:17 am
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 21st, 2013
12:02 am
Also how does CEO pay have anything to do with mandatory spending of the federal government?
Really?
If corporation lowered the pay of executives, they could raise the pay of the workers.
You don’t see a connection between higher worker pay and fewer WIC vouchers?
It’s all connected, sport.
Perhaps you shouldn’t compartmentalize so much.
The biggest connection between means tested entitlement programs and household income is single parenthood.
Marty Huggins'
February 21st, 2013
12:21 am
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 21st, 2013
12:02 am
No I thought of that old timer.
Your theory would hold more weight if the rate of growth in mandatory spending mimicked that of the rise in CEO pay.
Unfortunately for your argument it does not.
The rise in spending began to occur before the massive distinction of CEO pay to worker pay.
But project away claiming others compartmentalize while you hurl around your unproven theories.
Spending took sharp increases during the 70s and early 80s.
While in the 90s when CEO pay began to really explode there was actually a reduction in the % of GDP spent specifically on income security and other retirement and disability payments.
This is CEO pay and it’s timeline
http://thesocietypages.org/graphicsociology/2009/05/29/ceo-compensation-1970-2000/
This is spending and its timeline
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL33074.pdf
See how the timeline of your theory is a little off
But those are just the statistical facts why should you pay any attention to them.
You got your theories
Oscar
February 21st, 2013
12:51 am
GMare – Good to see you posting again.
No, uou will not have to post picture, but you can if you want to
Oscar
February 21st, 2013
12:54 am
Look – Your choices at 11:51 are the same. No matter what we do, the result will be a limit on health care in the fture for the average American.
Bernie
February 21st, 2013
12:55 am
Newt is just gearing up for another Presidential run in 2016. Newt’s enormous EGO will just not allow him to realize that AMERICA is NOT THAT REALLY into a Gingrich Presidency. As Speaker Pelosi so eloquently stated ” IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN”.
Newt, its PAST time for you to spend more quality time improving your relationship with your Calista. As you know it has been widely reported Personal Relations with your many WIVES, is an area where you have failed so miserably.
So why not focus on what it means to be a REAL American Husband,FATHER and GRANDFATHER. That is the area where you are needed the most.
Newt, Please give us ALL a break! You are FAR to overexposed in a NEGATIVE LIGHT.
Look before I leap...
February 21st, 2013
1:05 am
@Oscar 12:54A
Newsflash son, there already IS a limit on healthcare for the average American.
Look before I leap...
February 21st, 2013
1:09 am
“So why not focus on what it means to be a REAL American Husband,FATHER and GRANDFATHER.”
According to many who post here, actually working for a living would be a good thing too.
But ole Newt knows that a 70 yr old chubby guy is gonna have a very hard time finding Mrs Gingrich #4 as a regular Joe.
Look before I leap...
February 21st, 2013
1:21 am
@Orange:
Compare the numbers today to what we saw in 2009
All are better – which does not indicate “decline”.
Whether or not things would be better if we had a different outcome in either 2008 or 2012, you might as well argue how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
Things may not be great, but they did not get worse.
GT
February 21st, 2013
7:16 am
If you watch Newt he has learn a trick in politics that many Republicans have copied. He accuses others of his sins and weaknesses, his real motivations, and turns the light off him onto them. Like a man crawling out of a gambling bust and telling the cops in the parking lot they need to check out what is going on inside that building. He carried our state, trying to remember if Mississippi voted for him…
barking frog
February 21st, 2013
7:19 am
The Federal deficit/debt could be easily corrected by
cutting off the money supply to the states. They are
big boys, let them stand on their own.
barking frog
February 21st, 2013
7:23 am
Karl Rove is sure to repeat his success in the last election
so Newt will restructure Rove’s idea and grab it for his own.
stands for decibels - Friend of Hamas!
February 21st, 2013
7:30 am
mornin’.
(Figure the clock is ticking down for goofy screen-name appendages, so might as well get the licks in when ya can.)
stands for decibels - Friend of Hamas!
February 21st, 2013
7:33 am
a President Warren
I was going to type “be still, my beating heart,” but who knows if she’ll turn out to be a sellout like so many of ‘em.
Dunno if she’s still pissed off and fighting, or if she’s settling in nicely with Village culture.
We’ll see.
GT
February 21st, 2013
7:35 am
The idea of capitalism is to let the private sector take all the risk and the government umpires to make sure that the monopolies do not eat the young. If the government gets involved with the private sector they become part of the systemic disease and will die too. The only thing that saved the country in the great depression was the government had enough gunpowder. Let the too big fail, I think you will be shocked how well this country recovers in an open economy. In doing so you create new opportunity for new business, that is blocked from the sunlight by these dinosaurs and you collect corporate taxes unlobbied against in Congress. Business should have a term limit to the usefulness of that business not to a politician. You got billionaires writing checks, it like old men supporting young women, something ain’t right, and Newt is the poster child of ain’t right.
stands for decibels - Friend of Hamas!
February 21st, 2013
7:38 am
Deep Thought:
The idea of capitalism is to let the private sector take all the risk and the government umpires to make sure that the monopolies do not eat the young
If we ever manage to get everyone working and all the combat troops home, we in the USA might want to experiment with some of that “capitalism” that you speak of.
barking frog
February 21st, 2013
7:45 am
stands
with little research, I think the registration thingie has to
do with protection of proprietary
content and to keep a blogmeister from absconding with
clientele (see Cynthia Tucker current blog) than with comments.
stands for decibels - Friend of Hamas!
February 21st, 2013
7:51 am
keep a blogmeister from absconding with
clientele (see Cynthia Tucker current blog)
ooh. Juicy stuff! thanks for dishing.
GT
February 21st, 2013
7:52 am
stands for decibels – Friend of Hamas! what is killing it is billionaires and Wall Street cheating it and the government being paid to turn its head. Newt has gotten rich selling out our government and telling us different. The man can’t win an election unless he rigs it but he is a millionaire many times over. It is like batting 100 in the big leagues but getting paid a billion dollars, something ain’t right. He is a moral voice with multiple wives, and a fat bank account that attracts them. Some of our national deficit can be found in his pocket.
stands for decibels - Friend of Hamas!
February 21st, 2013
7:53 am
by the way, while I enjoyed Ms. Tucker (if I’m nasty) ’s ajc blog, and her dead-tree columns before that, I never bothered to check out her online reincarnation, so I’ve no idea if Mr. Frog’s suspicions @ 7.45 have merit.
But as is so often the case with Mr. Frog, I kinda want to hope they do.
stands for decibels - Friend of Hamas!
February 21st, 2013
7:57 am
Oslo by the way, I assume everyone here knows about how the stupid right wing media got high-lariously punked about Hagel, hence the dumb screen appendage, but if not…
Question No. 2: Is there a single editor at Breitbart.com?
Doggone/GA
February 21st, 2013
7:57 am
“But as is so often the case with Mr. Frog, I kinda want to hope they do”
It would be helpful if he’d post a link
stands for decibels - Friend of Hamas!
February 21st, 2013
8:06 am
It would be helpful if he’d post a link
Perhaps he is
preparing us for the
ajc blog New Order
where linkees won’t be
clickable, and many will not
bother.
independent thinker
February 21st, 2013
8:10 am
Newt Gingrich and Karl Rove are determined to make sure the Republicans are truly the stupid party and the party of the 53%.
straitroad
February 21st, 2013
8:11 am
Jay, you really have to push aside legitimate news stories to find something favorable to your ideology to write about. This isn’t interesting.
JKL2
February 21st, 2013
8:12 am
Newt opposes billionaires buying elections!
George Soros say,”What?”.
MoveOn.org, nothing to see here..
Brosephus™
February 21st, 2013
8:12 am
http://news.yahoo.com/cynthia-tucker/
That’s what I found dB.
Welcome back GMare. You were missed.
stands for decibels - Friend of Hamas!
February 21st, 2013
8:13 am
Hi, Bros. Is there an ABS yet? (Been offline for a bit…)
–
I figure we should use the Good Stuff in the current blog software to the max.
Here is a link to the greatest economic analysis blog ever.
Here is a link to a blog that Jay used to blogroll, then stopped and never essplained why. (And honestly, I doubt I ever would have bothered to hang out here had Jay not originally been a Friend of Atrios, so that’s always been a bit of a puzzler to me.)
Here is a third link! to what is apparently (per news.google.com) the Most Important News Story on The Planet Right Now!
For some reason, they don’t let you do three plain ol’ URLs, but three embedded links in a post are ok.
Of course with the new blog, there will be no clickable linkage a tall. Not. A. Tall.
Doggone/GA
February 21st, 2013
8:16 am
“Jay, you really have to push aside legitimate news stories to find something favorable to your ideology to write about. This isn’t interesting.”
And this isn’t a new page. And blogspot.com is ready when you are
Doggone/GA
February 21st, 2013
8:17 am
“George Soros say,”What?”.”
Care to TRY to back that up with some proof that Soros has done anything like what Adelson is known to have done? Try even a little bit?
Brosephus™
February 21st, 2013
8:17 am
Jay, you really have to push aside legitimate news stories to find something favorable to your ideology to write about. This isn’t interesting.
Yet, there are conservatives that come here daily to see/read/comment on what he’s written.
stands for decibels - Friend of Hamas!
February 21st, 2013
8:18 am
Ok, I had a look at what is, apparently, Cynthia Tucker’s current online presence linked @ 8.12.
Frankly, it looks like she’s just keeping her political writing chops reasonably well honed while focusing on the professorial giggery. Can’t imagine that this would factor in to the defensive strategy against poster-poaching that B. Frog mentioned.
(But, I’d have to care/investigate with more time/effort than I have at the moment to have anything like an educated guess, so it’s still an uneducated one.)
Brosephus™
February 21st, 2013
8:19 am
dB
Only since last Saturday. Given the lack of sleep, I thought about switching back to ABM.
Doggone/GA
February 21st, 2013
8:20 am
“Can’t imagine that this would factor in to the defensive strategy against poster-poaching that B. Frog mentioned.”
And I can’t figure out what “poster poaching” even IS? Like it’s not possible for someone to actually post in more than one place?
stands for decibels - Friend of Hamas!
February 21st, 2013
8:28 am
I thought about switching back to ABM.
Mazel Tov! fantastic to hear.
(…about the kid, too.)
barking frog
February 21st, 2013
8:28 am
http://cynthiatucker.com/blog
and i’m not saying Cynthia Tucker is ‘poster poaching’ but
the ajc may be concerned about the concept and they are
not alone as all online newspapers are doing this.
Doggone/GA
February 21st, 2013
8:31 am
“they are not alone as all online newspapers are doing this.”
And I think it’s far more likely that it’s more to do with cutting down on complaints about poached blogging IDs than with “poaching” – which can’t even be DONE
julia
February 21st, 2013
8:33 am
Newtie Pootie is just perturbed because he had to close Callista’s revolving line of credit at Tiffany’s, and now she’s put a stop to those special treats in the back seat of the car.
Brosephus™
February 21st, 2013
8:34 am
barking frog
February 21st, 2013
8:37 am
Doggone/GA
As you are so fond of saying BlogSpot.com is ready when you are,
well wordpress.com is ready whenever Jay is and that may be a
cause for concern to the ajc but I know you are loyal to the ajc
and would not follow Jay to an independent blog so they are safe
there, but with others not so much.
Brosephus™
February 21st, 2013
8:39 am
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/f22-raptor-pilots-widow-blasts-cowards-military-industrial/story?id=18539946
It’s about time someone spoke up.
Common Sense isn't very Common
February 21st, 2013
8:40 am
Bro
moths to a flame?
More like skeet
GT
February 21st, 2013
8:40 am
The real amazing thing is this sleaze ball Sheldon Adelson.has bought the Tea Party not the other side. The Christian Right is held up by a Jewish casino billionaire, who gets pictures of show girls on his lap. There is nothing wrong with it if you weren’t crusaders for the holy lands and pretending to be moral judges of all that moves, like you have principles or something. Greed and stupidity and a touch of religion, now there is a recipe to build a future on.
Brosephus™
February 21st, 2013
8:44 am
frog
One issue with Jay going to WordPress might be a loss of employment and income. There might be something in his contract with the AJC to prevent him from doing such a thing.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 21st, 2013
8:45 am
GT, my opinion granted but I think Adelson was trying to buy an administration to head of his DOJ investigations.
Brosephus™
February 21st, 2013
8:49 am
NoCom
I get a good laugh at those who come here almost everyday and criticize Jay for what he does. First, Jay is an opinion writer, and he’s going to pen his opinions and post them here. Then, there’s the fact that Jay is a left leaning opinion writer, yet his detractors expect him to write glowing reviews of the right. I think it’s the effects of living in an information bubble or something.
barking frog
February 21st, 2013
8:51 am
Brosephus
i’m not saying Jay is going anywhere, I was just making
the point to stands that the ajc may not be so concerned
about ‘commenters’ as they are about their employees
and the proprietary content of their newspapers.
St Simons - he-ne-ha
February 21st, 2013
8:52 am
hey i got my name in the new format, same as here, except with
underscores and no spaces.
To Tell the Truth
February 21st, 2013
8:52 am
NEWS FLASH!!! OBAMA SUCKS & is the WORST US PRESIDENT EVER!!!!
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 21st, 2013
8:54 am
To Tell the Truth – “NEWS FLASH!!! OBAMA SUCKS & is the WORST US PRESIDENT EVER!!!!”
NEWS FLASH!!!! HE WAS RE-ELECTED FOR ANOTHER 4 YEARS. DEAL WITH IT.
Brosephus™
February 21st, 2013
8:56 am
frog
Ok, I better understand you now.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 21st, 2013
8:58 am
Brosephus, what is really funny to me is the number of “regulars” who keep returning to each thread to make the same posts over and over and over on that complaint (and of course, the repeated efforts to keep repeating the tired rejected talking points, ya know, like gas prices).
Brosephus™
February 21st, 2013
9:04 am
Keep
That is something I get multiple chuckles from myself. I doubt they’re even cognizant of their actions.
JamVet
February 21st, 2013
9:09 am
Along with Herman, Newt ensured that of all fifty states, Georgia was the laughingstock of the nation in terms of Republican candidates for president. (Texas coming in second with Perry and Paul…)
So the screaming Christian Conservative is back for more abuse?
Zooks…
AR-15
February 21st, 2013
9:14 am
News flash – Bookman and his followers are part of the 47%. Me also thinks Bookman has fantasies of rear-side inter….course with Newt.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 21st, 2013
9:16 am
Stands, I just caught up on that Friends of Hamas stupidity…. can these GOPpers be any more foolish. They would get more reliable information and news watching the Daily Show (and yes, to the real foolish, its a comedy show — we know that, progressives don’t make the jokes part of their talking points to filibuster a nominee for the 1st time in history).
Brosephus™
February 21st, 2013
9:16 am
AR-15
I seriously doubt that Bookman or his followers voted for Romney. I feel you’re confused with his followers and detractors.
Thogwummpy
February 21st, 2013
9:19 am
Firstly, if billionaires were buying the elections for Republicans, why are the Democrats in charge? So, that’s a canard right off the bat. Secondly, if rich people are automatically evil (creed of the child-minded Left), why isn’t Al Gore a villain for just making $100 million selling his Current TV? Also, if you want to talk about billionaires’ influencing our elections…what about the massive political machinery funded by George Soros? Fact is, the GOP has this problem…and we have to be honest about it. The voting public is now comprised of a lot of social parasites that believe it’s not what they can do for their country, but what they can get from the taxpayers. Likewise, the Democrats through generations of education and media cultural indoctrination—have convinced the mouth breathers on the bell-curve to vote on skin color and complaint group; splintering apart our society by fostering resentment against other Americans. Thusly, it can be said that “Division is Democrat Strength.” If you want a comfortable lifestyle without having to work, and you want to destroy your more successful neighbor; you’ll vote Democrat. And the Dems know that’s an old formula for power, appealing to mankinds baser instincts. The GOP is DOA because in order to be competitive, they have to drop principals and become as disgusting as hateful liberals are. OH, and one more thing: If you don’t understand why capital gains rate kept low keep the economy going—then you have the economic grasp of an adolescent. (Hint: the high capital gains taxes that people posting seem to want, discourages investment and pushes resources into non-active instruments as a hedge….VERY bad for an economy!)
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 21st, 2013
9:19 am
AR-15 – “Bookman and his followers are part of the 47%.”
You mean like Senior Citizens,Soldiers and Students? Why do you hate the old, the brave and the educated?
Brosephus™
February 21st, 2013
9:19 am
Keep
Did you see the McConnell G.I. Bill thing? One of his constituents got duped by The Onion and McConnell followed suit.
комиссар (Occupation)
February 21st, 2013
9:21 am
AR-15: “News flash – Bookman and his followers are part of the 47%. ”
Oh?
What about Rick Scott in FL, is he part of the 47% now?
Brosephus™
February 21st, 2013
9:21 am
Butch
He was talking about that 47%? I get them confused nowadays.
Butch Cassidy (I)
February 21st, 2013
9:21 am
Thogwumpy – “Secondly, if rich people are automatically evil (creed of the child-minded Left), why isn’t Al Gore a villain for just making $100 million selling his Current TV?”
First – Gore sold the TV station for $500,000 million. Second – Only goosestepping morons such as yourself continue to promote the idea that the rich are “evil”.
Doggone/GA
February 21st, 2013
9:22 am
“That is something I get multiple chuckles from myself. I doubt they’re even cognizant of their actions”
I disagree. I think they have a little document labeled something like “My Latest Complaints” and they just go through them in rotation and post them here.
barking frog
February 21st, 2013
9:26 am
Brosephus
Jay said he voted for Romney in the Republican primary.
комиссар (Occupation)
February 21st, 2013
9:29 am
Thogwumpy, Butch Cassidy “Secondly, if rich people are automatically evil (creed of the child-minded Left)…”
As opposed to the “grown-up” left?
Well then, considering how the rich have thrived at nearly unprecedented levels under Barack Obama, and considering they and their proxies have been appointed to the very highest posts in his administration, that must mean this president is pro-rich, right? And if he’s pro-rich, then that must mean you’re going to be right there in the trenches with him battling against those who would argue for quaint old child-like and “anti-rich” measures such as, ohhh I don’t know say throwing them in jail en masse when they commit flagrant frauds like that great “child-minded” president Ronald Reagan did in the wake of the S&L debacle.
You are going to do that, right?
No? Whassamatter? What could possibly be wrong with this great friend of the wealthy that would make you refuse to be supportive of him? Hmmmmmmmmm…
Brosephus™
February 21st, 2013
9:32 am
frog
He’s part of the 47% if he cast the same vote in the general election. I don’t remember Romney’s total here, but it wasn’t 47%.
Brosephus™
February 21st, 2013
9:33 am
Doggone
That’s a distinct possibility.
barking frog
February 21st, 2013
9:39 am
Brosephus
that primary vote may have been a vote against Newt…
Redcoat
February 21st, 2013
9:57 am
Half truths……part of the story……professional spinning……..everyone is playing the game……
To Tell the Truth
February 21st, 2013
2:18 pm
Funny how anyone can support a LOSER of a PRESIDENT!!! He has done nothing for America except spend, and spend and raise taxes, point fingers, hung an ambassador out to dry, etc! Failed Administration!!!!