Deal’s Medicaid decision denies health insurance to 600,000

So far, six Republican governors have decided to buck their party and accept federal expansion of Medicaid coverage, concluding that the best interests of their state and its citizens outweigh the interests of their political party.

Gov. Nathan Deal of Georgia has made the opposite choice, and the damage inflicted on Georgia by his decision will be considerable.

Here’s the deal:

Under the Affordable Care Act, also known as ObamaCare, the federal government has offered to cover 100 percent of the costs of health insurance for an additional 620,000 Georgians. The deal is good for three years, from 2014 through 2016. In 2017, the federal government will still pay 95 percent of the cost, and the percentage will slide to 90 percent by 2020.

For every year thereafter, the federal government will cover 90 percent of the cost.

That would amount to an influx of $40 billion into the Georgia economy from 2014 to 2023, according to Bill Custer, a health economist at Georgia State University. That will boost the state’s economic output by an average of $8.2 billion a year. That in turn will create more than 70,000 new jobs in a state with the nation’s ninth-highest unemployment rate, Hudson estimates. That in turn will generate an additional $267 million a year in state and local taxes.

Many of those newly created jobs will be in the well-paying medical industry, which is particularly important in a state where the median household income had been dropping even before the recession hit. According to Custer’s analysis, 46,000 of those jobs will be created outside metro Atlanta, in areas where the health-care industry is barely hanging on because so many local residents do not have health insurance.

With the influx of federal money, rural hospitals that will otherwise be forced to close their doors would remain open. Those facilities will remain important economic generators for their communities, and they will also help to attract outside industry. Employers have little interest in locating in communities with no nearby hospital.

In addition, it should help lower health-insurance costs in general, because the rest of us won’t be paying for health care for the uninsured through our health-care premiums.

Most important, there’s the impact on those 620,000 Georgians. According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, some 22 percent of Georgians are without health insurance, the seventh highest rate in the nation. Ideology won’t cover their medical bills. Partisan politics won’t pay their surgeon or anesthesiologist.

Deal explains his refusal in a couple of ways. His administration estimates that it will cost the state some $4.5 billion to participate in the program from 2014 to 2023. That’s more than twice as much as other estimates, but let’s accept it as valid. Using Deal’s numbers, Georgia is turning down an offer to match each state dollar with 10 dollars in federal funding. That 10-1 match is far more generous than other federal programs that Georgia scrambles to tap. Turning it down means that billions of tax dollars will be flowing out of Georgia to support health care in other states; none of it will be flowing back in.

You can also think of it purely in investment terms: Every year, Georgia gives away hundreds of millions of dollars through economic development efforts that have far more risk and considerably less return than this program.

According to Deal, he also fears that the federal government doesn’t have the resources to sustain the expanded program. But it’s curious how that logic isn’t applied to, say, the deepening of Savannah Harbor, where Deal and others are pleading for hundreds of millions of dollars from that very same federal government. Or to the billions of dollars in federal loan guarantees to build new nuclear reactors at Plant Vogtle. Perhaps we should also discourage the location of the Army’s new CyberCommand to Fort Gordon near Augusta, where it iswould likely bring thousands of jobs.

ObamaCare isn’t going away. The Republicans have fought it all the way up to the Supreme Court, and they lost. They made its repeal a central part of their 2012 campaign, and they lost the presidential race, they lost Senate seats and they lost House seats. At some point, it’s time to accept reality.

– Jay Bookman

338 comments Add your comment

indigo

February 20th, 2013
12:32 pm

Erwin’s cat – 12:29

And, you think it shows intelligence to post mostly pithy one line remarks here.

Hint – it doesn’t.

Revjay

February 20th, 2013
12:32 pm

Well, well, our esteemable “governor in all of his infinite wisdom and concern for the people who elected him; once again shows his stupidity and unconcern for the people of our State!
I think he should be removed from office in disgrace. He once again has shown what our elected officials think about the residents of Georgia. Impeach the fraud and piut him out of office.

Jefferson

February 20th, 2013
12:32 pm

Paygo to restore cuts, revenue increased inevitable.

Stevie Ray

February 20th, 2013
12:33 pm

KEEP

At least we agree on the idiocy that surrounds a new stadium..the dome is only 17 or 18 years old…and is loud providing better home advantage.

Seems to me that Blank is caught up in the old “keep up with the Jones” malady.

RB from Gwinnett

February 20th, 2013
12:34 pm

Read this article and compare it to Jay’s. http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/02/18/2690102/too-many-wins-for-north-carolina.html

Seems they might be writing their stories from the exact same list of talking points. Did the DNC send this garbage too you Jay?

And BTW, the 620,000 people who don’t have health insurance today WILL have it in 2014. They are REQUIRED to have health insurance by law. Not an option. I guess they’ll have to sign up for the federal plan they forgot to fund in the original bill, eh?

And 70,000 jobs for 620,000 people to move their medical service delivery from point A (ER) to point B (private provider)????? That’s some PFI math there, Jay. That’s 1 new job for every 10 people being added to insurance plans, not being added to the health system since they’re already getting care when needed. Wow.

Folks, the Jay’s of the world are pissing on your head and telling you it’s raining. Wake up.

Jim Turner I I I

February 20th, 2013
12:34 pm

I hate to put people in a group but darned if I don’t hear the same song from everyone on the left – “All those free federal dollars”. Do any of you live in a real world where NOTHING is free? It simply amazes me.

Revjay

February 20th, 2013
12:35 pm

Well, to each his own.

Erwin's cat

February 20th, 2013
12:35 pm

indigo – I just don’t have the imagination and faux outrage like you to be able to just make up crap on the fly.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 20th, 2013
12:35 pm

Stevie, we can agree on the stadium. Unfortunately it represents only one of the more visible spends of taxpayer dollars by state government to benefit big business at the cost of infrastructure and other spends that could actually benefit the state.

Stevie Ray

February 20th, 2013
12:36 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 20th, 2013
12:31 pm

Question is whether “trickle-up” serves us any better. Relying on the top 5% or so is not an infinite well so to speak. At some point we get to diminished returns…like accompanied by false expectations..

ATL Tiger

February 20th, 2013
12:36 pm

“At some point, it’s time to accept reality”

Like the SOTUS saying that States were allowed to not participate in the expansion of Medicaid? Isn’t that a reality?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 20th, 2013
12:36 pm

Do any of you live in a real world where NOTHING is free?

Haliburton says, “What?”

td

February 20th, 2013
12:37 pm

The whole problem with this thesis is that under Obamacare those same 620,000 Georgians will still be MANDATED to get healthcare insurance. All those benefits WILL still come to the state and Deal will have saved the taxpayers about $3 billion in Medicaid cost and another large sum of money in hiring caseworkers to administer the caseload of an additional 620,000 cases.

Total false progressive argument.

DannyX

February 20th, 2013
12:37 pm

“Danny X, I do not believe the governor declared bankruptcy.”

You are right Jay, though he did have to sell everything he owned and barely avoided bankruptcy, either way it proves he wasn’t a very good businessman.

Brosephus™

February 20th, 2013
12:39 pm

Erwin's cat

February 20th, 2013
12:40 pm

You are right Jay, though he did have to sell everything he owned and barely avoided bankruptcy, either way it proves he wasn’t a very good businessman.

Steve Jobs and Bill Gates say What?

F. Sinkwich

February 20th, 2013
12:40 pm

The fact that individual states have enough autonomy to opt out of silly federal programs is a testimate to the genius of our founding fathers. Besides preserving some amount of freedom to citizens, federalism has another benefit discussed not nearly enough.

Miffed that they don’t enjoy the free stuff available to others elsewhere, moochers will migrate to those states that celebrate sloth by rewarding it.

Conversely, producers will migrate to those states which reward risk-taking, hard work, and self-reliance with low taxes and business friendly regulations (see Texas v. California).

It’s a win-win scenario: Red states get propsperity; blue states get O’bozo voters.

Darwin

February 20th, 2013
12:42 pm

Jay – it doesn’t deny medical care. As you are well aware the Republican health care system consists of emergency room care. The most inefficient and expensive care there is. Sponsored by taxpayers and those who have health insurance. But if you trying explaining that to the Repubs, all you get in deer in the headlight look.

barking frog

February 20th, 2013
12:42 pm

indigo
Erwin’s cat – 12:29

And, you think it shows intelligence to post mostly pithy one line remarks here.

Hint – it doesn’t.
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That’s showing him.

td

February 20th, 2013
12:44 pm

Jay

February 20th, 2013
11:38 am

“An inconvenient fact. The federal goverment would have to borrow the $40 bilion noted.”

No, it would not. Tax increases, fees and spending reductions already built into the ACA make the program revenue neutral, according to the CBO

If you really believe that then I have some ocean front property in Blue Ridge I want to sell you.

indigo

February 20th, 2013
12:45 pm

Erwin’s cat – 12:35

Anytime you think what I post is “make up crap” then, take you best shot and try to refute it.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 20th, 2013
12:45 pm

Stevie, well if you are agreed that “trickle-down” does not work, then you can start discussing a system of infrastructure, supporting the middle class, cutting tax loopholes. It is false to claim that the 5% will be relied upon as an infinite well. At this point, they are not contributing nearly enough for what they are taking. Now when you actually can show that Mitt and his buddies are paying, oh lets say, 25% effective rate, and the middle class tide is rising and we are creating actual opportunities for the lower income (and not just schemes to make them victims to sell bogus services like overpriced education, payday loans, overcharges on home loans, etc), then we’ll see.

Jm

February 20th, 2013
12:46 pm

Deal hasn’t stopped them

We live in America (sort of)

Those people can go buy health insurance whenever the want

Deal hasn’t denied them anything

Matti

February 20th, 2013
12:46 pm

DannyX,

Gov. Deal wasn’t a good businessman, but he’s learned SO MUCH about personal money management since he stepped into his latest gig. That $4mil in the hole will soon be $4mil on the plus side — all without a single month of Ramen noodles, public transportation, or cut-rate laundry soap. I’m hoping he’ll start offering personal money-management seminars to folks who lost their jobs and homes in the recession and foreclosure epidemic. He’s got it all figured out now.

too little time

February 20th, 2013
12:47 pm

No, it would not. Tax increases, fees and spending reductions already built into the ACA make the program revenue neutral, according to the CBO.

What a pitiful response, Jay. Would you like me to cite times that the CBO has been grossly wrong in it’s predictions? Or perhaps it would be easier to note the times that the CBO has actually been correct. That list is much, much (did I say much?) smaller.

The CBO takes the most rosy economic outlook, and combines that with the most rosy low estimation of a program’s expenditures. This means that they are wrong, often by orders of magnitude of error, MOST of the time. Justification of something due to a CBO outlook is laughable, at best.

getalife

February 20th, 2013
12:47 pm

cat,

Belgium’s pm resigned today because austerity failed badly.

barking frog

February 20th, 2013
12:48 pm

Jm
Deal hasn’t denied them anything
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He has denied them the services of a good Governor.

Jm

February 20th, 2013
12:48 pm

The healthcare bubble must be stopped

Deal has done his part to help stop the insanity

JamVet

February 20th, 2013
12:48 pm

Matti, you don’t become one of the 15 most corrupt members of the entire US Congress by playing small ball!

getalife

February 20th, 2013
12:49 pm

“Right-Wing Media Reported Chuck Hagel Was ‘Friends With Hamas’… Based On Reporter’s Joke”

Your media working on their credibility. bretbart is a joke.

Uh Huh.......How many CONS does it take to make 600,000?

February 20th, 2013
12:49 pm

@RB from Gwinnett

February 20th, 2013
12:34 pm
Folks, the Jay’s of the world are pissing on your head and telling you it’s raining. Wake up.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

“Jay’s of the world are pissing on your head and telling you it’s raining”

I, for one, would love to hear a description of how and when you found out the difference.

Sometimes, if you can’t change the pee,

it helps to get through the day to pretend it is rain,

because under survival conditions, even pee has its place potentially.

Uh Huh

Stevie Ray

February 20th, 2013
12:49 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 20th, 2013
12:35 pm

Yeah. I have to re-educate myself on proposed financing. I recall large reliance on NFL and hotel fees. The timing is insensitive and they really have no leverage. It’s not like they will move from Atlanta cause they don’t already have an acceptable place to play. The play is to build billion dollar, Jerry Jonesesque stadium seating 110,000 and then charging ticket fee of up to 50K per seat for the right to purchase season tickets. You will be required to buy preseason tickets as well and likley will cost up to 400 bucks a seat per game..

Yeah…its all about the fans eh?

Jm

February 20th, 2013
12:50 pm

Frog

It could be worse

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 20th, 2013
12:51 pm

Ruh roh, looks like Matti is still upset she did not get invited to the Gov Deal-Mr. Burns 3 eyed fish fry/auto salvage auction at his garbage dump. Tickets are still available, Matti. They are free if you hire his daughter’s consulting business. :D

barking frog

February 20th, 2013
12:52 pm

Jm
It could be worse
…………………..
How ?

Fred ™

February 20th, 2013
12:53 pm

It is sad how little our Governor cares about his fellow Georgians. I’ll bet he even goes to breakfast and taunts any over hears that are out of work.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 20th, 2013
12:54 pm

Fans? How silly. Its about the jobs created and that thar multiplier effect. Otherwise the NFL and the Falcons built that, that’s what the RNC convention proved, right?

JamVet

February 20th, 2013
12:54 pm

This means that they are wrong, often by orders of magnitude of error, MOST of the time.

Completely fallacious.

And just a little research before writing that and you would have refrained…

The Congressional Budget Act of 1974 created the CBO and set the rules for choosing its director: The Speaker of the House (now Ohio’s John Boehner) and the president pro tempore of the Senate (Hawaii’s Daniel Inouye, not to be confused with the president of the Senate, Joseph Biden) make the appointment jointly, based on recommendations from the House and Senate budget committees. Congress can also remove the director via a resolution in either chamber, but that’s never happened.

By law, Congress must evaluate potential directors “without regard to political affiliation and solely on the basis of fitness to perform his duties.” A similar rule applies to the CBO director in hiring roughly 250 underlings. The office has an internal code of ethics and an administrative manual that prohibits employees from “participating in partisan political activity if such participation would identify or appear to identify CBO with a candidate, campaign, or cause.” That said, its reputation for being unbiased relies, for the most part, on the pride and effort of its workers.

Despite the lack of strict rules, the arrangement appears to be working. For one, the CBO routinely succeeds in frustrating Republicans and Democrats alike. The agency also has a strong track record. A study in the journal Polity examined the accuracy of economic forecasts made by the White House, the Federal Reserve, and the CBO between 1979 and 1997. During that time, the administration’s forecasts were the least accurate and the CBO’s were the most accurate. (The Fed forecasted inflation as accurately as the CBO but wasn’t as good on gross-national-product growth and unemployment.) The study also found partisan bias in the White House forecasts: Republican administrations tend to exaggerate inflation while Democratic ones exaggerate unemployment. Neither of these tendencies shows up in the CBO’s projections.

Fred ™

February 20th, 2013
12:56 pm

SIMPLE TRUTHS

I saw your question downstairs as I scanned through a minute ago but didn’t see anyone answer it. Here are two resources to add smiley’s and other goodies to your posts here. You them quickly because they do not work in the new system coming on the 25th.

http://codex.wordpress.org/Using_Smilies

http://www.w3schools.com/tags/ref_symbols.asp

Granny Godzilla

February 20th, 2013
12:56 pm

Stevie Ray

February 20th, 2013
12:56 pm

RB from Gwinnett

February 20th, 2013
12:34 pm

Not to mention the healthcare providers who will no longer accept medicaid…no body seems to want to address this thingy..

Jm

February 20th, 2013
12:58 pm

Frog

Some guy like broun could be gov

Jm

February 20th, 2013
12:59 pm

More Medicaid is not the answer to providing affordable healthcare

Obama is dumb

barking frog

February 20th, 2013
1:00 pm

Jm
Some guy like broun could be gov
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broun is a nut not a crook….

Stevie Ray

February 20th, 2013
1:00 pm

KEEP

Trickle up/trickle down, trickle sideways..none of them have proven infallable. Until the IRS laws change, every one is paying their fairshare…(I’m still struggling with how that amount is calulated and by whom)

There is an interesting article about the 20 trillion in tax revenues worldwide that is not paid due to protected tax havens..worth a read.

BTW, I’m working from a Kinkos located in the FOX News building today. If I can get a picture of me mooning whatever studio is visible by the street, do you suppose Jay will post?

ATL Tiger

February 20th, 2013
1:01 pm

Won’t these 600,000 be able to particpate on the Federal Exchange?

catlady

February 20th, 2013
1:02 pm

It was the gov’s daughter and son in law who declared bankruptsy.. TWICE! How many of you can match that?!

I have been in the ER for actual emergency and have seen how it is used by the uninsured. Sore throat? Go to the ER!

My neighbor, a rabid TPer, rails about the government requiring him to have health insurance. Of course, he is 56, sedentary, and weighs in at about 350. When he has had to go to the ER (which he will have to do, increasingly, unless he dies suddenly) he “cannot pay” so he sticks the rest of us with his care costs. I sure don’t like that! If he doesn’t want to have insurance, fine, but don’t go to the ER unless he can pay for it. And consider that not having insurance is an automatic DNR.

No, I think we should have a single payor system. And EVERYBODY contributes something.

Stevie Ray

February 20th, 2013
1:03 pm

JamVet

February 20th, 2013
12:54 pm

The CBO has proven to be a poor crystal ball for mid term numbers…say 10 years. The problem is that the politicians generally seem to boast best case scenario…never turns out that way. The usual culprit is estimated growth rate. IMO, additional layers of sandbags need to applied for any material decisions made.

RB from Gwinnett

February 20th, 2013
1:04 pm

“”Already some in Congress are trying to undo these automatic spending cuts. My message to them is simple: No, I will veto any effort to get rid of those automatic spending cuts to domestic and defense spending.” “There will be no easy off ramps on this one.”

Barack Obama, November 2011.

Seems his rhetoric has changed a bit since then. Somehow, he’s even been able to convince you libs this whole thing wasn’t his idea from the beginning, is now blaming Republicans for it, and you idiots are buying it. That ain’t rain you’re feeling, libs. Wake up.

DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda

February 20th, 2013
1:04 pm

By law, Congress must evaluate potential directors “without regard to political affiliation and solely on the basis of fitness to perform his duties.”

Quick! Somebody tell Congress this! /Driveby/

Stevie Ray

February 20th, 2013
1:05 pm

ATL Tiger

February 20th, 2013
1:01 pm

Yup…as such the wait and see posture some of these governors at taking make some sense..

Fred ™

February 20th, 2013
1:05 pm

catlady: I think the major flaw in ACA (Obamacare) IS the fact that it’s not single payer and that pretty much everyone can agree to that.

getalife

February 20th, 2013
1:05 pm

mccain getting cussed out over immigration at a town hall.

Republicans making ads supporting gay marriage.

Change is fun.

Vet

February 20th, 2013
1:05 pm

It’s not the job of the federal government to provide free health insurance. the money is not free..it’s borrowed money from China!

Fred ™

February 20th, 2013
1:07 pm

BTW, I’m working from a Kinkos located in the FOX News building today. If I can get a picture of me mooning whatever studio is visible by the street, do you suppose Jay will post?

No, he would get in BIG trouble I would imagine lol. But you send it to me and I’ll link it lol.

Vet

February 20th, 2013
1:08 pm

RB…keep telling it like it is!

getalife

February 20th, 2013
1:08 pm

vet,

Losing occupations vs healthcare for all the people.

If we get CanadaCare, we could not afford more losing occupations and nation building other countries.

Logical Dude

February 20th, 2013
1:09 pm

Vet,
It’s not the job of the federal government to provide free health insurance.

Are you a veteran with over 20 years? How much did you pay for health insurance while in the military? How much did you pay after you got out?

Mr Right

February 20th, 2013
1:09 pm

For every year thereafter, the federal government will cover 90 percent of the cost.

How can they, they are broke?

Fred ™

February 20th, 2013
1:09 pm

getalife: You don’t understand the HUGE problem that immigration is in Arizona. My cousin is so far to the left she swings a sickle, but you get her started on illegal aliens and the damage they do in Arizona………….. I can’t believe some of the things she says. And she is (was) an award winning journalist on a far left wing Arizona publication.

Matti

February 20th, 2013
1:10 pm

Fraud by the medical community is rampant. My senior citizen friend has been getting cancer treatment at N’side, and regularly receives notices about x-rays and other tests and procedures she never received. When she calls to say, “I never got an x-ray on this date,” she’s told, “Oh, YOU are not being billed for that, Mrs. Smith, so don’t worry about it.” (Medicare pays.) The “small gubmint” crowd does not want to employ the people necessary to police the system through which we’re all getting ripped off. Personally, I’d rather my tax money pay someone to prosecute the fraud than pay for the fraud.

RB from Gwinnett

February 20th, 2013
1:10 pm

“Won’t these 600,000 be able to particpate on the Federal Exchange?”

Shhhhh…..Don’t want to put a damper on Jay’s tantrum, there ATL. They’re not only going to be “able” to participate on the federal exchange, they’re going to be “REQUIRED” to participate. There will be no 600,000 uninsured unless they break the law to do so.

Fred ™

February 20th, 2013
1:10 pm

Mr Right

February 20th, 2013
1:09 pm

For every year thereafter, the federal government will cover 90 percent of the cost.

How can they, they are broke?
+++++++++++++++++++++++

So says Rush and FOX, yet everyone is still getting paid aren’t they?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 20th, 2013
1:11 pm

BTW, I’m working from a Kinkos located in the FOX News building today. If I can get a picture of me mooning whatever studio is visible by the street, do you suppose Jay will post?

Post the video and we’ll help it go viral. My suggestion is one of them shows like “Fox and Friends” if they have a street level window. ;) You may want to include a message on them cheeks. I suggest: “GOP sequester plans available here!”

Fred ™

February 20th, 2013
1:11 pm

Vet

February 20th, 2013
1:05 pm

It’s not the job of the federal government to provide free health insurance. the money is not free..it’s borrowed money from China!
+++++++++++++++++++++

That’s a lie you have been told and keep repeating out of ignorance.

Show me the loan papers.

DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda

February 20th, 2013
1:12 pm

It looks like RB has left off some of Pres O’s comment! Boy am i surprised!!!

Let’s see the juicy stuff he decided NOT to post:

THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon. As you all know, last summer I signed a law that will cut nearly $1 trillion of spending over the next 10 years. Part of that law also required Congress to reduce the deficit by an additional $1.2 trillion by the end of this year.

In September, I sent them a detailed plan that would have gone above and beyond that goal. It’s a plan that would reduce the deficit by an additional $3 trillion, by cutting spending, slowing the growth of Medicare and Medicaid, and asking the wealthiest Americans to pay their fair share.

This kind of balanced approach to reducing our deficit — an approach where everybody gives a little bit, and everyone does their fair share – is supported by an overwhelming majority of Americans — Democrats, independents, and Republicans. It’s supported by experts and economists from all across the political spectrum. And to their credit, many Democrats in Congress were willing to put politics aside and commit to reasonable adjustments that would have reduced the cost of Medicare, as long as they were part of a balanced approach.

But despite the broad agreement that exists for such an approach, there’s still too many Republicans in Congress who have refused to listen to the voices of reason and compromise that are coming from outside of Washington. They continue to insist on protecting $100 billion worth of tax cuts for the wealthiest 2 percent of Americans at any cost, even if it means reducing the deficit with deep cuts to things like education and medical research. Even if it means deep cuts in Medicare.

Couple of paragraphs DOWN I see RB’s post;

My message to them is simple: No. I will veto any effort to get rid of those automatic spending cuts to domestic and defense spending. There will be no easy off ramps on this one.

Man! it looks like RB is trying to mislead us into thinking that OBAMA is at fault in this whole thing!!</b<

Now why would RB do that? Can anyone tell me? Can YOU tell me RB? RB? Yoohooo RRRR BBBBB!!!

[crickets chirping in the background......]

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/11/21/statement-president-supercommittee

getalife

February 20th, 2013
1:14 pm

Fred,

Tell me more about this damage because I don’t follow Arizona politics.

barking frog

February 20th, 2013
1:15 pm

Debbie Do
How are you ? I saw earlier you said hi to me too.

Granny Godzilla

February 20th, 2013
1:16 pm

Obama’s idea….and the GOP swallowed it whole.

There will be drama, but they will cave.

Right now house republicans are home in their districts listening to
their business constituents…who want them to make a deal.

You know them business guys – they don’t care for uncertainty……

td

February 20th, 2013
1:16 pm

I am waiting for next year to come and all these Dems that are going to be MANDATED to get their butts into an exchange and buy a $20,000 per year health insurance policy. We will see how FREE healthcare is and how fast they become Republicans wanting to get the government out of their lives.

getalife

February 20th, 2013
1:18 pm

td,

It will be you cons mooching but have to pay the fine.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 20th, 2013
1:19 pm

The “small gubmint” crowd does not want to employ the people necessary to police the system through which we’re all getting ripped off. Personally, I’d rather my tax money pay someone to prosecute the fraud than pay for the fraud.

But, but…then the corporate fraudsters might actually have to pay money back and serve time. This kind of idiotic concept is what will destroy the “government is the problem” mantra. You start giving government the money needed to fix fraud, to address waste, to close locations that are not needed, in effect to become SMART government, what exactly will be left for the rants against government. Matti, you are just being evil! :lol:

JamVet

February 20th, 2013
1:19 pm

I LOVE the government in my life!

I just feel sorry for the millions of Americans who do not have access to the socialistic, single-payer, government does nothing right, Gold Standard of healthcare that I do.

The VA.

Say it with me Republicans, I LOVE UNCLE SAM!!

td

February 20th, 2013
1:20 pm

DebbieDoRight – Minister Of Propaganda

February 20th, 2013
1:12 pm

You do understand that the “detailed plan” Obama was talking about was the budget he sent to Congress and was voted down by EVERY single member (BOTH DEMOCRAT and REPUBLICAN)?

If every single DEMOCRAT thought his budget was bogus then how can you write that the President has a sensible and reasonable plan?

barking frog

February 20th, 2013
1:21 pm

getalife
Tell me more about this damage because I don’t follow Arizona politics.
………………………………………………………………………………………..
Please don’t follow John McCain. You might get hit by a crashing plane.

getalife

February 20th, 2013
1:22 pm

frog,

mccain’s town hall was hilarious.

A old man yelling at other old people.

DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda

February 20th, 2013
1:23 pm

How are you ? I saw earlier you said hi to me too.

I’m fine froggie! I always try to say hi to you, (’cause you always make me smile)

And Fred (’cause Fred’s funny and he’s a good cook)

Sometimes to Jam (I’m really really REALLY jealous of Jam — he and Kam come up with the BEST stuff to post! AND they have great taste in music. They are my enemies)

Sometimes Kam, (see above)

Sometimes Granny (she’s becoming too likeable — I liked her better when she had a little vinegar in her blood )

Paul all the time mostly too, (He’s soooo LOGICAL! I like to see him do his back and forth thing wtih other posters! They get discouraged and run away until he leaves the blog! CLASSIC!)

If I can catch her eye, UsinK – (she’s always busy)

SoCoBro but ONLY when it’s not football season. In football season I try to say spiteful nasty hurtful things about him, his state, ugly elephants, and a coach who looks like a girl on steroids.

And Doggone (especially when she’s being feisty).

Other than that, I try to keep a low profile! :wink:

barking frog

February 20th, 2013
1:24 pm

getalife
old people are fractious…

ATL Tiger

February 20th, 2013
1:25 pm

“Gold Standard of healthcare that I do.

The VA.”

Comedy routine?

I wasn’t aware that The VA was in the same ballpark as Johns Hopkins, Mayo Clinic, Cleveland Clinic, Harvard Medical, Duke, Michigan Health, St. Judes

I guess we have different definitions of ‘gold standard’

Granny Godzilla

February 20th, 2013
1:25 pm

td

February 20th, 2013
1:20 pm

DebbieDoRight – Minister Of Propaganda

February 20th, 2013
1:12 pm

You do understand that the “detailed plan” Obama was talking about was the budget he sent to Congress and was voted down by EVERY single member (BOTH DEMOCRAT and REPUBLICAN)?

If every single DEMOCRAT thought his budget was bogus then how can you write that the President has a sensible and reasonable
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Ah, nope. I suggest you investigate this a bit further.

(I’m sure you’ll be surprised to find out that it was a GOP stunt and not the actual budget that had been submitted)

It’s important that you learn that yourself……by doing your homework.

Erwin's cat

February 20th, 2013
1:25 pm

get – cat,

Belgium’s pm resigned today because austerity failed badly.

That was Bulgaria…Belgium’s been w/o for quite a while now

Find Muck

February 20th, 2013
1:26 pm

Obama Care is the biggest lie to come down the pike
in my lifetime. Yes it may still be implemented and as it is only then
the taxpayer find out layer after layer of Lefty lies that were told to get the monstrosity passed in the first place.

Granny Godzilla

February 20th, 2013
1:27 pm

Sometimes Granny (she’s becoming too likeable — I liked her better when she had a little vinegar in her blood )

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Hey little lady ….I resemble that remark.

I was pretty tough on that dog raper yesterday.

Love ya’ too DDR.

getalife

February 20th, 2013
1:28 pm

cat,

My bad.

cnn ran a ten second piece on it and thought it was Belgium.

Jack ®

February 20th, 2013
1:29 pm

Nothing is free; Bookman knows that. The additional Medicaid will be paid by taxpayers who are already overloaded with taxes to pay benefits for those that pay nothing into the system. Bookman knows that also. There’s no end to liberal posturing.

emo

February 20th, 2013
1:29 pm

“If people get sick they can simply go to the emergency room and get free treatment.”
It’s not free; they will be billed and hounded, and if they don’t pay, you will if you ever go to the hospital.

“That way the people that already have health care insurance can pay for it. This system has been working well since Reagan signed the law in 1986.”
This sounds like socialism to me. In any case, these patients get stabilized for top dollar, then packed off until their condition gets so bad they come back. It will be treated, never cured. Guess if it’s OK with St Ronald, it’s OK with you.

“If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.”
It’s broke, all right.

barking frog

February 20th, 2013
1:29 pm

Granny Godzilla
by doing your homework.
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Ms. frog is threatening to outsource my homework
if I don’t keep it up……

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 20th, 2013
1:30 pm

Oh sure, now to DDR, I am just sewer waste like some of them other posters. :P Why I ought to have the doodle poo on her! And here I had my Canadian Mountie hat on all day just for her. Gloom on me. :(

iBS Aplenty

February 20th, 2013
1:30 pm

I wonder how many of the uninsured and uninsured-by-their-own-choice have/are: a) dropped out of school, b) cellphones & associated data plan(s), c) seriously overweight, d) eat out regularly, and e) haven’t exercised in years.

It really doesn’t cost more than a review of “WebMD” to get high quality health information on a variety of common ailments. That should take care of the healthcare woes for a large segment of your uninsured population. But you gotta be able to read….

DebbieDoRight - Minister Of Propaganda

February 20th, 2013
1:32 pm

oh and getalife! (Cause he’s a Tiger like me!)

Hi ya getalife!!!

getalife

February 20th, 2013
1:32 pm

bs,

Keep attacking Americans.

Thank you.

getalife

February 20th, 2013
1:33 pm

Hi Debbie.

LSU!

Geaux Tigers and Saints!

Granny Godzilla

February 20th, 2013
1:34 pm

we will continue to pay for the health care of those who cannot.

best to do it more effectively.

iBS Aplenty

February 20th, 2013
1:37 pm

get,

Answer the questions and be the indivdual your dog thinks you are…

TBone

February 20th, 2013
1:37 pm

There’s nothing affordable about the Affordable Care Act. My family’s health care premium has sky rocketed and coverage levels plummeted. This is gonna crash and burn.

Brosephus™

February 20th, 2013
1:38 pm

DDR

Forgot to respond from earler. We have girl #2 in the house.

RB from Gwinnett

February 20th, 2013
1:38 pm

Debbie, I’m not seeing the connection you’re trying to make from the first half of the speech. He spent a bunch of time bashing Republicans with the same old rhetoric. So what? He made the comment and it’s 180 degrees different from the rhetoric he’s spewing today.

deegee

February 20th, 2013
1:39 pm

This morning I had a conversation with my 87 year old, Fox News loving mother over the abysmal level of service that she gets from her internist’s administrative staff. She let me know that it’s all because of Obamacare and that things are only going to get worse because of it. I let her know that I get very good service from the administrative staff of my primary care provider and specialist. I wasn’t attempting to be argumentative. I was merely suggesting that she might want to consider going to another internist. She wasn’t having it. Fox News told her so and there’s nothing anyone can do or say to convince her otherwise.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 20th, 2013
1:39 pm

That should take care of the healthcare woes for a large segment of your uninsured population.

Well sure. Like self-deportation, self-diagnosis and self-treatment works wonders. Like after a car accident, surely everyone knows that even the boy scout manual tells you how to set a bone. And if you are overweight, be sure to know its your fault and not anything like BPA included in your foods. That’s why GOPpers routinely rant against the nanny state telling people whats in their food or how many calories are in that low cost food that some can barely afford. I am sure that many low income neighborhoods have very fine high quality food restaurants available while them people stand and wait for a bus to connect them to a train system that “we” don’t want in our neighborhood. :roll:

Latrina

February 20th, 2013
1:40 pm

Jay said “At some point, it’s time to accept reality.”

The biggest reality is that the federal government is bankrupt.

The $ billions of federal aid for Medicaid expansion is not free manna from heaven, every dollar will somehow eventually have to be paid by U.S. taxpayers. We are approaching the point where we’ll never be able to tax, borrow, or print our way out of the deficit hole.