Sequester will test GOP’s cut/cut/cut strategy
Unless Congress comes to an unlikely and very quick agreement, most domestic federal spending must by law be slashed by an immediate 8.2 percent on March 1, with only Social Security, Medicaid and veterans’ benefits exempted.
According to estimated from the Office of Management and Budget, defense spending will have to be cut by 9.4 to 10 percent, depending on the category. Payments to Medicare providers — doctors, hospitals, etc. — will be cut by 2 percent.
And because the law dictates that the cuts be across-the-board, rather than targeted, the impact is some areas could be severe. Agency directors have very little if any leeway in trying to protect particular programs.
James Clapper, director of National Intelligence, has warned that “the sheer size of the cut will create an immediate national security crisis situation” in the CIA, FBI and other agencies. Border Patrol agents will be laid off, as will federal prosecutors and airline security officers. (If you’re flying, you might want to double the time needed to get through security.)
On the social-spending side, to cite just a few specific examples, some 10,000 Americans will be cut off from the AIDS drugs that keep them alive; 70,000 children will be pushed off Head Start; 373,000 seriously mentally ill people will no longer have a means of treatment. The list goes on and on.
The overall economy will likely suffer as well. According to the Congressional Budget Office, that reduced federal spending will dampen growth and cut job creation by some 750,000 through the end of the year.
Unfortunately, there appears to be little to no hope in Washington that such cuts can be avoided, at least at first. Our leaders have come to the conclusion that no matter how much pain these reductions cause the American people, the political pain they themselves would suffer by having to compromise would be greater still. So instead of acting, they are preparing to blame each other when the outcries come.
The Republicans are basing their PR strategy on the claim that the sequester was actually President Obama’s idea, and they are correct: The Obama White House did propose the idea of a sequester back in 2011, believing that if the required budget cuts were painful enough, both sides would be compelled to compromise in order to avoid them.
However, the sequester — or “Obamaquester”, in the GOP’s strained terminology — was made necessary in the first place because House Republicans had made it quite clear that without a mandatory mechanism to slash spending, they would refuse to raise the nation’s debt ceiling, potentially sending the country into a disastrous default. That was back before the election, when House Republicans were so full of themselves that they seemed fully capable of doing just that.
(Just to refresh your memory — these artificial fiscal crises do tend to blur into one another by now — this particular confrontation in 2011 is the one that convinced Standard & Poors to lower the nation’s bond rating.)
In other words, the record shows that Republicans forced the crisis, and now want to blame Obama for proposing an escape hatch. I don’t believe the tactic is going to work, in large part because once again, the GOP has put itself into a position of trying to sell a hard argument. In this case, after stomping their feet, holding their breath and generally making public fools of themselves demanding harsh spending cuts, they are going to try to put the blame for spending cuts on Obama?
Good luck with that.
Paul Ryan, chairman of the House Budget Committee and the GOP’s spending guru, is on record back in 2011 as lauding the sequester, and his fellow House Republicans voted 174-66 in favor of it. (House Democrats split right down the middle, with 95 supporting it and 95 voting against it). In addition, Ryan has promised House conservatives that he will soon produce a budget that will balance the budget within 10 years, and do it without new taxes. The magnitude of spending cuts required to make that happen will dwarf those being implemented under the sequester.
The sequester, in other words, can be seen as a mini test drive for the GOP’s overall fiscal policy. What happens to government services when we implement just a fraction of the massive spending cuts that the GOP is demanding? What happens to the economy when federal spending falls by a relatively minor $85 billion between March and the end of the fiscal year in October?
By already trying to put the blame on Obama, the GOP is in effect predicting that the results won’t be pretty.
– Jay Bookman
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Granny Godzilla
February 19th, 2013
1:46 pm
Thulsa Doom
February 19th, 2013
1:41 pm
“Obama ran…so our children could fly”
Granny,
Um. Children and especially black children aren’t doing so well under Obama. There’s more of them and their families on food stamps than ever before and by a wide margin. And in terms of employment the situation is also bleak and especially for black people. But don’t let the empirical data get in the way of the Obama worship.
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Yes, the Bush financial collapse hit those folks pretty hard……They know it too.
RB from Gwinnett
February 19th, 2013
1:48 pm
This should be an easy question for you libs….
Aside from the sequester itself, which was Obama’s idea, even though he’s now trying to scare the public into thinking it’s the evil Republicans fault if it goes through, what budget cuts has Obama proposed? He ran on this “balanced approach” of tax increases and cuts, got his tax increase, so what cuts has he proposed? Where is the bill?
Granny Godzilla
February 19th, 2013
1:51 pm
RB
Take a hint from garmon and “recalculate”.
Start from the beginning, the Budget Control Act of 2011.
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We are all well aware that this is nearly an impossible question for the “cons”.
silly silly silly
That Black Guy
February 19th, 2013
1:51 pm
Christian Conservative
A serious question:
If Jesus read what you post on this site to those you disagree with, how do you think He would respond? Would He rebuke you or encourage you?
If Jesus was made flesh again and contributed to this blog, do you think He would post they way you do?
I was always taught that “Christian” meant “Christ like”, are you being “Christ like” when you insult and name call those you disagree with?
Uh Huh.......The GOP are like angels dancing on the head of a pin
February 19th, 2013
1:52 pm
@Madmax
February 19th, 2013
1:20 pm
Seperated at birth Barack Obama and Jimmy Carter – a common creed – those who can lead, lead; those who can’t, whine except Jimmy at least tried. Barack on the other hand has played the blame game since day 1 and I suspect he will continue doing it until he is placed in his grave many years hence.
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“Barack on the other hand has played the blame game?”
Who do YOU blame for the war in Iraq?
Hubris: The Inside Story of Spin, Scandal, and the Selling of the Iraq War
President Bush SCAMMED the american people by lying about
why the U.S. should go to war with Iraq.
The Bush administration convinced the American people to go to war in Iraq are newly declassified talking points and handwritten notes from November, 2001 in which can be seen then-Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld’s team trying to find the most compelling reason to justify war.
THEY LIED.
Who do you BLAME?
Uh Huh
Joe Hussein Mama
February 19th, 2013
1:52 pm
E. Cat — “that’s hardly fair..before 9/11 there was little to no security at any airport any where.”
Were you doing much air travel around 9/11? I was, and I can assure you that there was security at just about every domestic airport I visited in the 2-3 years before 9/11.
In fact, the first time I ever had my hand luggage swabbed for explosive residue was at LaGuardia (NYC) — *before* 9/11 happened.
barking frog
February 19th, 2013
1:53 pm
Erwin’s cat
If anyone is that concerned they just move their money out now into something low to no interest and no risk…then reinvest after the dust settles
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thus affecting the stock market values and 401ks
getalife
February 19th, 2013
1:57 pm
rb,
Again con, the 4 trillion grand bargain is still on the table.
Proceed con.
RB from Gwinnett
February 19th, 2013
2:00 pm
Really Granny???? Your answer is the sequester itself?
No, seriously, what budget cuts has Obama proposed and where are the bills?
TaxPayer
February 19th, 2013
2:00 pm
I see President Obama is publicly asking the Republicans not to inflict the harm on the people and businesses of the USofA by going through with the sequester. The ball is in the Republican’s court and I suspect that continuing to proclaim that the spending cuts are Obama’s fault will not have a positive end result for the Republican Party. For one thing, Obama’s not running again. But by all means, don’t change a thing, cons. Your strategy has worked so well up ’til now.
Uh Huh.......The GOP are like angels dancing on the head of a pin
February 19th, 2013
2:01 pm
@Thulsa Doom
February 19th, 2013
1:41 pm
“Obama ran…so our children could fly”
Granny,
Um. Children and especially black children aren’t doing so well under Obama. There’s more of them and their families on food stamps than ever before and by a wide margin. And in terms of employment the situation is also bleak and especially for black people. But don’t let the empirical data get in the way of the Obama worship.
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“Children and especially black children aren’t doing so well under Obama.”
“There’s more of them and their families on food stamps than ever before and by a wide margin.”
EVERYONE should know by now that there are MORE WHITE people on
food stamps then black people.
EVERYONE should know by now WHY there are more unemployed black people.
Because WHITE people are not hiring black people at the rate that they are
hiring WHITE people.
Don’t INSULT our intelligence.
Uh Huh?
Granny Godzilla
February 19th, 2013
2:03 pm
B from Gwinnett
February 19th, 2013
2:00 pm
Really Granny???? Your answer is the sequester itself?
No, seriously, what budget cuts has Obama proposed and where are the bills?
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You don’t follow instructions very well do you?
silly silly silly
That Black Guy
February 19th, 2013
2:04 pm
Itchy Finger
February 19th, 2013
12:12 pm
That Black Guy:
You better get back on the plantation!!!
_____________________________
I’ll leave that to those who think dems/repubs are the cause of all problems/have all the answers.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 19th, 2013
2:05 pm
Ryan took credit for the sequester in August 2011, bragging to Fox News that it guaranteed the massive budget cuts Republicans were seeking. “We got that in law,” he boasted. On the House floor, he said the Budget Control Act’s spending cuts were “a victory for those committed to controlling government spending.”
Keep on trying to blame the President for the sequester.
RB from Gwinnett
February 19th, 2013
2:07 pm
That Black Guy, “If Jesus read what you post on this site to those you disagree with, how do you think He would respond? Would He rebuke you or encourage you?”
Give it up already TBG. We’re not falling for the “if you’re a Christian you have to let the liberals roll all over you because Jesus loved everybody” routine. On the night Jesus was arrested, Peter, who was with Jesus, drew his sword and cut off the ear of one of the men arresting him . Although Jesus told Peter to put his sword away, he wasn’t shocked his diciple had a sword or knew how to use it in the manner he did. To understand the heart of Jesus, you must invite him into your life and your heart TBG. I don’t get the impression many of you liberals have done that and thus have very little understanding of his teachings and wishes for you/us.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 19th, 2013
2:07 pm
COLE: … This was a presidential suggestion back in 2011, an idea. And yet the president himself hasn’t put out any alternatives. [...]
ELLISON: Well, Tom, the problem with saying this is the president’s idea is that you voted for the Budget Control Act. I voted against it. We wouldn’t have ever been talking about the Budget Control Act but for your party refused to negotiate on the debt ceiling something that has been routinely increased as the country needed it. You used that occasion in 2011 August to basically say we are going to default on the country’s obligations or you’re going to give us dramatic spending cuts. That’s how we got to the Budget Control Act.
Things Fox won’t tell you but the American people know to be FACT.
getalife
February 19th, 2013
2:07 pm
It is a shame the gop will not get out of the way of free commerce.
They will stay the course focused on getting our President.
Divided and conquered.
Granny Godzilla
February 19th, 2013
2:09 pm
Gee whiz, RB,
Bob Woodward got a leaked copy of a document laying out the options
and you can’t find them all by yourself?
RB from Gwinnett
February 19th, 2013
2:09 pm
“Because WHITE people are not hiring black people at the rate that they are hiring WHITE people”
Somebody doesn’t understand the first thing about statistics.
Ol' Timer
February 19th, 2013
2:11 pm
This budget crisis has been precipitated by gerrymandered districts electing and sending idiots to Washington who make a career out of saying such ridiculous stuff that rational people can’t comprehend the magnitude of their stupidity. And, negotiating with these stupid people is impossible.
RB from Gwinnett
February 19th, 2013
2:11 pm
I see, Granny…. How about in the future if you can’t answer the question asked, just don’t.
Christian Conservative
February 19th, 2013
2:12 pm
That Black Guy
February 19th, 2013
1:51 pm
Christian Conservative
A serious question:
If Jesus read what you post on this site to those you disagree with, how do you think He would respond? Would He rebuke you or encourage you?
If Jesus was made flesh again and contributed to this blog, do you think He would post they way you do?
I was always taught that “Christian” meant “Christ like”, are you being “Christ like” when you insult and name call those you disagree with?
He would probably shake his head in disbelief at how rotten and repulsive our society has become. As a Christian I will not be bullied and vilified simply because of my beliefs. If someone refutes the greatness and meaningfulness of Christianity they will be put in their place. If you don’t like my comments don’t read them. I believe and can relate to this passage in the Bible when Jesus said “Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do”. That’s exactly what I think when I read the numerous secular liberal posts on here….
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 19th, 2013
2:12 pm
TBG, well now, on the Christian rating system, you apparently are only a 3…. but if you dress nice and tell people about how you be a better Christian, I am sure that will get you an extra point or two. Now if you can manage to drive over a few liberals on the way to work, BONUS PTS!!!!
Peadawg
February 19th, 2013
2:13 pm
“The Obama White House did propose the idea of a sequester back in 2011″
Funny now seeing Obama try and scare the hell out of Americans by saying how bad the cuts are.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 19th, 2013
2:13 pm
RB — “To understand the heart of Jesus, you must invite him into your life and your heart TBG. I don’t get the impression many of you liberals have done that and thus have very little understanding of his teachings and wishes for you/us.”
If doing so results in one becoming a rude and ill-tempered person like yourself, then count me out.
And if you were already rude and intemperate, maybe you need to pray that you become more christlike and able to turn the other cheek.
Steve
February 19th, 2013
2:15 pm
Christians – your bible is full of warnings about love of money and greed. Chock full of warnings about this. Yet, you are the ones who vote for the party of greed: the GOP.
Irony, isn’t it?
Thulsa Doom
February 19th, 2013
2:16 pm
“Yes, the Bush financial collapse hit those folks pretty hard……They know it too.”
Granny,
In other words its W’s fault. And of course in Obama’s 8th year it will still be W’s fault according to folks like yourself. Unless of course we go into a fantastic period of rapid economic growth. Then of course it will be Obama’s credit. Right Granny? And just to let you know the W recession ended a mere 6 months into Obama’s presidency.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 19th, 2013
2:16 pm
C. Conservative — “As a Christian I will not be bullied and vilified simply because of my beliefs.”
As an atheist, I won’t be bullied and vilified simply because of my lack of belief.
“If someone refutes the greatness and meaningfulness of Christianity they will be put in their place.”
One, I can reject whatever I please whether you like it or not.
Two, even if you’re right, you won’t be the one doing the place-putting. So simmer down, Cowboy.
“If you don’t like my comments don’t read them.”
Same to you.
“I believe and can relate to this passage in the Bible when Jesus said “Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do”. That’s exactly what I think when I read the numerous secular liberal posts on here….”
How terrible for you, that you should have to tolerate people who don’t think and believe like you do.
Granny Godzilla
February 19th, 2013
2:17 pm
RB from Gwinnett
February 19th, 2013
2:11 pm
I see, Granny…. How about in the future if you can’t answer the question asked, just don’t.
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Except I can answer the question you silly.
I have always taught my “trainees” never ask for info from someone else that you can attain on your own. That lazy stuff slows everybody down.
Major time waster.
Steve
February 19th, 2013
2:18 pm
Does Conservative = “I just make $*&t up?”
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 19th, 2013
2:19 pm
Steve, for the most part, yes
Granny Godzilla
February 19th, 2013
2:20 pm
Thulsa Doom
February 19th, 2013
2:16 pm
“Yes, the Bush financial collapse hit those folks pretty hard……They know it too.”
Granny,
In other words its W’s fault. And of course in Obama’s 8th year it will still be W’s fault according to folks like yourself. Unless of course we go into a fantastic period of rapid economic growth. Then of course it will be Obama’s credit. Right Granny? And just to let you know the W recession ended a mere 6 months into Obama’s presidency
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The collapse will ALWAYS be Bush’s fault you big silly.
Just cause Richard Speck is dead does not end his reponsibility for killing 8 nurses.
RB from Gwinnett
February 19th, 2013
2:21 pm
Greed, Steve? Wanting to keep what you earn is greed, but want to take what others earn is noble? You’ve got some seriously whacked out views there, Steve.
Thulsa Doom
February 19th, 2013
2:22 pm
“EVERYONE should know by now that there are MORE WHITE people on
food stamps then black people.”
Um. Yep. Because there are 6 1/2 times more white people than black people so in absolute numbers there should be more whites on food stamps. Do you have a point to be made? Seems like you’re meandering into making this a racial thing.
My only point to Granny is that Obama garnered overwhelming black votes(97% I believe) and that ironically black America is suffering more than anyone under Obama. Its just a shame that the people who had the most faith in him are the ones being let down the most.
“EVERYONE should know by now WHY there are more unemployed black people.
Because WHITE people are not hiring black people at the rate that they are
hiring WHITE people.”
Well there ya went and did it. You just had to go and make it all about race. And in addition to making it all about race you showed your rather profound ignorance of statistics. Good grief.
Christian Conservative
February 19th, 2013
2:23 pm
Joe Hussein Mama:
That’s the delusion of you libs. You don’t have to think and believe like me. But if you insult me and attack my religion you will be dealt with through practical reveling debate which points out the stupidity of the secular left….
getalife
February 19th, 2013
2:24 pm
rb got owned.
weetamoe
February 19th, 2013
2:24 pm
So the most powerful person in the US was forced to propose a *solution* to the fiscal mess he has presided over since the first month of 2009. Is he that ineffectual? Is he even necessary? He might as well go back to *doing skeet* in his pink tutu. And those cuts do not go into effect immediately.They are *cuts* only in bureaucrat/democrat speak, since they are merely reductions in the increased spending going into effect the next fiscal year. So the *cuts* would not even be as extreme as would a simple freeze.
Paul
February 19th, 2013
2:25 pm
Really?
“You liberal do know that not a single budget item will actually be “cut” by the sequester?”
Perhaps you can enlighten us on why, when we tune in to Fox, we hear how the cuts will hollow out the military and jeopardize national security?
(the fact Fox is quoting from the SecDef and the service chiefs doesn’t count)
So, are those guys misleading us?
Thulsa Doom
February 19th, 2013
2:25 pm
“The collapse will ALWAYS be Bush’s fault you big silly.”
Aaaaah. So the entire housing meltdown was all the fault of one single man huh Granny? At this point I don’t think even you can fathom just how ridiculous you really sound.
Robert Lee - Cogito ergo zoom
February 19th, 2013
2:26 pm
…… To understand the heart of Jesus, you must invite him into your life and your heart TBG. I don’t get the impression many of you liberals have done that and thus have very little understanding of his teachings and wishes for you/us.
Ok, so once you invite him into your heart does the “turn the other cheek” turn into “blast that commie to hell with your AR-15″?
getalife
February 19th, 2013
2:26 pm
I would stay in the market because the fed will keep easing.
indigo
February 19th, 2013
2:26 pm
Christian Conservative – 2:12
1. Jesus left no writings so we know nothing about what he actually believed or thought about himself.
2. We don’t know who actually wrote the New Testament. The originals are long since lost and we only have copies of copies.
3. No one can furnish any testable scientific evidence that God even exists.
So, just out of curiosity, why do you talk about Christianity as though
IT WERE A PROVEN FACT?
Paul
February 19th, 2013
2:27 pm
CC
“But if you insult me and attack my religion you will be dealt with through practical reveling debate”
To many here, what you do comes across as reviling debate -
Itchy Finger
February 19th, 2013
2:27 pm
Steve
Christians – your bible is full of warnings about love of money and greed. Chock full of warnings about this. Yet, you are the ones who vote for the party of greed: the GOP.
Irony, isn’t it?
No actually we vote for a party that recognizes we live in a Christian nation who believes in traditional values. I understand that your party platform supports homo marriage and unfettered baby killing but that’s ok… At least you’re honest….
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 19th, 2013
2:27 pm
Only the very silly would repeatedly claim that the end of an economic recession was the end of the impacts and imply that there was an immediate full recovery from the longest recession since WWII. What people care about is recovery.
Granny Godzilla
February 19th, 2013
2:27 pm
Thulsa
They have suffered more than anyone in America since we started a market for them here …..
getalife
February 19th, 2013
2:27 pm
The answer to my first question is losing 750,000 jobs.
The gop are job killers soft on national security.
I bet Pelosi is happy for 14.
Christian Conservative
February 19th, 2013
2:28 pm
Paul
“But if you insult me and attack my religion you will be dealt with through practical reveling debate”
To many here, what you do comes across as reviling debate -
That’s your opinion…
Thulsa Doom
February 19th, 2013
2:28 pm
Does liberal = I just believe crazy sh%t!
MiltonMan
February 19th, 2013
2:29 pm
“@miltonman – you really think that pointing out poor black urban areas as where the only liberals live? Have you not forgotten about the progressive northeast, with it’s very blue but wealthy and educated suburbs??”
Yes, the same areas that are losing population??? The same areas that are home to Wall Street crooks??? I was alluding to the state of Georgia pal. Put on your thinking cap for a bit there chief.
Granny Godzilla
February 19th, 2013
2:29 pm
Christian Conservative
February 19th, 2013
2:23 pm
Joe Hussein Mama:
That’s the delusion of you libs. You don’t have to think and believe like me. But if you insult me and attack my religion you will be dealt with through practical reveling debate which points out the stupidity of the secular left
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Hell if I thought and believed like you…..I could book the next flight straight to hell.
The goal is to be a much better “christian” than you could ever be.
You shame the name.
Paul
February 19th, 2013
2:30 pm
Just like the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, have a few religion pages and here comes indigo.
“2. We don’t know who actually wrote the New Testament. The originals are long since lost and we only have copies of copies.”
You post that nearly every time you arrive. You may want to do a bit of research on that one, though.
BTW – it might help your understanding if, instead of writing “we don’t know who actually wrote the New Testament” you wrote “we don’t know who wrote some of the books contained in the New Testament.”
getalife
February 19th, 2013
2:30 pm
Does doomy = dead wrong all the time?
You betcha.
alex
February 19th, 2013
2:30 pm
@ getalife, must you use “turtle”,it’s sophmoric…you need that to discuss–stay in the sandbox…Dems won’t win house ,drop the gerrymandering rhetoric, ti’s a lame excuse which each side will use when they need it just like corrupt politics, etc. The situation is the repubs need an issue for 2014 and IF they can convince the electorate that the deficeit is detrimental to their livelyhood, they can fund the govt in 3 month increments, showing “good faith” (?) in compromise and win IF the president continues to stay aloof( The golf with Tiger crap doesn’t help him with middle class America-overreaching, but that’s a sideline issue,you may like the “game of kings”-I don’t .The president and his advisors have recognized that the USA has become an “Idol” country and photo-ops look good to many people, I doubt the indepents think the same.
@Fred, what are you independent of?
MiltonMan
February 19th, 2013
2:31 pm
“Christians – your bible is full of warnings about love of money and greed. Chock full of warnings about this. Yet, you are the ones who vote for the party of greed: the GOP.”
Total BS! The Roman Catholics tend to vote majority liberal.
Paul
February 19th, 2013
2:31 pm
CC
“That’s your opinion…”
I’ve added my voice to many others here. But instead of cause for self-examination you seem to take it as an affirmation and a badge of honor.
getalife
February 19th, 2013
2:32 pm
“getalife, must you use “turtle””
Yes since you call our President every name in the book.
Proceed con……
alex
February 19th, 2013
2:33 pm
@ Granny, in what line of work do you instruct “trainees”?
Joe Hussein Mama
February 19th, 2013
2:33 pm
C. Conservative — “That’s the delusion of you libs.”
I suffer from no delusion. I’m not so sure about you, though.
“You don’t have to think and believe like me. But if you insult me and attack my religion you will be dealt with through practical reveling debate which points out the stupidity of the secular left….”
We’ve seen how lamely you ‘deal with’ others here, Champ. Your debating skills are near-nonexistent, and you seem to have trouble even following the thread of a discussion. And quite frankly, neither you or your religion are exempt from criticism, so you might as well learn to deal with it.
Besides, religion and political persuasion have little or nothing to do with each other. One can be both liberal and christian or be both conservative and atheist.
Paul
February 19th, 2013
2:34 pm
So… anybody think the military chiefs are misleading us with their warnings about the dire effect sequestration will have on the military and national defense?
Or, if they think that’s an accurate assessment, how do you answer, to paraphrase getalife’s oft-asked but never addressed question, ‘why are Republicans soft on national security?”
Brosephus™
February 19th, 2013
2:34 pm
Oh geez…. not this bullsh*t again…
My only point to Granny is that Obama garnered overwhelming black votes(97% I believe) and that ironically black America is suffering more than anyone under Obama. Its just a shame that the people who had the most faith in him are the ones being let down the most.
Had Mitt Romney been the Democratic Party candidate, he would have garnered over 90% of the Black vote. I doubt half of Black America sees Obama as some kind of “saver of the Black community”, and for some reason, White conservatives can’t seem to grasp that fact.
For some reason, there are White Americans who didn’t realize how few Blacks vote Republican prior to this election. I don’t recall a single damned person making a big deal that 100% of White Americans voted for White candidates in previous elections. Seems that race is only an issue because the White man lost to the Black man. Even if Obama had won 100% of the Black vote, he wouldn’t have been elected twice without the significant support he received from White Americans.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 19th, 2013
2:35 pm
The Roman Catholics tend to vote majority liberal.
Seems like we are stuck in a logic loop. Just awhile back we were told how conservatives and Christians gave so much more generously than liberals…… But now we are learing that Christians are often liberals too?
Intercourse the penguin?
Brosephus™
February 19th, 2013
2:36 pm
Also, Black Americans have been getting screwed as long as America has existed. Having one Black president ain’t gonna change that.
RB from Gwinnett
February 19th, 2013
2:36 pm
Granny, “I have always taught my “trainees” never ask for info from someone else that you can attain on your own. That lazy stuff slows everybody down”
You’re more pathetic than usual, Granny. If you can show us a budget cut Obama has proposed as part of his “balanced approach”, do it. Otherwise, there’s no need to reply. And don’t post another reference to the sequestration as if that’s a budget cut proposal. It’s not and everybody but you knows that. Do you gots anything or don’t you?
комиссар (Occupation)
February 19th, 2013
2:37 pm
Thulsa Doom: “Does liberal = I just believe crazy sh%t!”
Why do you spend so much time thinking about what liberal means?
TaxPayer
February 19th, 2013
2:37 pm
To many here, what you do comes across as reviling debate -
That depends on how you define “debate”. For the most part it’s just typical R&R — Revolting and Republican. Yes, I’m being repetitive.
getalife
February 19th, 2013
2:38 pm
Paul,
They tossed their principles and beliefs daily to get out President.
I remember when the right was strong on national security, very patriotic and very pro commerce.
Now, they are weak on national security, no patriotism and standing in the way of free commerce.
Sad but true.
MiltonMan
February 19th, 2013
2:38 pm
“But now we are learing that Christians are often liberals too?”
…and we constantly hear libs label Jesus as “Progressive”. Your point?
Common Sense isn't very Common
February 19th, 2013
2:39 pm
keep
Intercourse the penguin
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leave the nuns out of this
TaxPayer
February 19th, 2013
2:39 pm
Did someone say “turtle”. What’s Mitch up to now.
Common Sense isn't very Common
February 19th, 2013
2:40 pm
Bro
Obama’s BLACK?
damn writing on my hand washed off
Thulsa Doom
February 19th, 2013
2:41 pm
Brocephus,
This isn’t about race. My only point to uh huh is that the people who have the most faith in Obama are also the ones being let down the most. Uh huh just chose to make it more about race than it needs to be.
Granny Godzilla
February 19th, 2013
2:41 pm
alex
world class service…..
Christian Conservative
February 19th, 2013
2:41 pm
Granny Godzilla:
Look at the beliefs of your party. And you dare question my Christian values…
Granny Godzilla
February 19th, 2013
2:41 pm
Christian Conservative
February 19th, 2013
2:41 pm
Granny Godzilla:
Look at the beliefs of your party. And you dare question my Christian values…
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Yep, big time.
Granny Godzilla
February 19th, 2013
2:42 pm
RB from Gwinnett
February 19th, 2013
2:36 pm
Granny, “I have always taught my “trainees” never ask for info from someone else that you can attain on your own. That lazy stuff slows everybody down”
You’re more pathetic than usual, Granny. If you can show us a budget cut Obama has proposed as part of his “balanced approach”, do it. Otherwise, there’s no need to reply. And don’t post another reference to the sequestration as if that’s a budget cut proposal. It’s not and everybody but you knows that. Do you gots anything or don’t you?
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AGAIN….Bob Woodward got it…and you can’t???
Itchy Finger
February 19th, 2013
2:43 pm
Only in the world of liberals is this possible….
http://president.gov.af/en/news/17604
philosopher
February 19th, 2013
2:43 pm
Christian Conservative
February 19th, 2013
2:23 pm
Joe Hussein Mama:
That’s the delusion of you libs. You don’t have to think and believe like me. But if you insult me and attack my religion you will be dealt with through practical reveling debate which points out the stupidity of the secular left….
One does not need to attack your “religion”…you do it enough damage all by yourself. One can only assume that your faith is better representative of the heart Jesus taught us to have.
TaxPayer
February 19th, 2013
2:44 pm
Christian Conservative has Christian values! What are they?
getalife
February 19th, 2013
2:44 pm
Tax,
The turtle is getting ready to cut another deal.
The speaker refused to negotiate because the new Chief of Staff made him cry to mommy.
indigo
February 19th, 2013
2:46 pm
Paul – 2:30
I only post my objections to Christianity AFTER someone else brings them up here, which seems to be often. Funny, you don’t seem to ever berate them in a “just like the sun rises” way.
How about “we don’t know who wrote MOST of the books of the New Testament”?
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1988/who-wrote-the-bible-part-4
RB from Gwinnett
February 19th, 2013
2:46 pm
Granny, “AGAIN….Bob Woodward got it…and you can’t???”
Yes, Granny, because “the most transparent administration in history” has to have their budget cut plans “leaked” to Bob Woodward so the people will know about them instead of presenting them to congress in the form of a bill as has been done for 200+ years. This is a simple question, Granny, answer it if you can…. Where is the bill and what cuts are being proposed in it?
Brosephus™
February 19th, 2013
2:49 pm
As for the sequestration crap, the dems should cave 100% to the GOP demands down to the penny. I would also ensure the legislation carried GOP congressmen names in it’s title. Make that crap ironclad for 4 years where nothing can be altered. If Dems think they are correct, then they can accurately blame the GOP for whatever happens because it would be their plan and theirs only.
I’m so tired of this sh*t, I wish they would just go ahead and completely f**k up the country already. Maybe then we can rid ourselves of the rigid ideologues who can’t seem to understand they don’t have all the correct answers all the time.
getalife
February 19th, 2013
2:49 pm
rb,
Google it.
You are dead wrong as usual.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 19th, 2013
2:49 pm
Bush is gone.
Sez the guy who brought up Jimmy Carter 17 minutes earlier.
Classic face plant.
JamVet
February 19th, 2013
2:49 pm
…we live in a Christian nation…
WRONG. We live in a nation where man Americans choose to be Christians but that is all.
At least per the most sacred document ever written – the Constitution of the United States of America, which makes NO references to God. And thanks to the First Amendment we have evicted crosses from parks and public places and removed prayers to Jesus (other deities were never allowed) from public schools.
As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Mohammedan] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.. ~President John Adams, 1797
Granny Godzilla
February 19th, 2013
2:53 pm
So RB…..You know what they are……
You’ve gone from what did he propose to where is the bill…..
Goal posts made of whipped cream!
Let me see….if President Obama presents his bill for immigration he’s butting into HOR responsibilities and it’s awful, terrible, bad…. but….
Y’all are a hoot.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 19th, 2013
2:53 pm
He would probably shake his head in disbelief at how rotten and repulsive our society has become
“Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do”. That’s exactly what I think when I read the numerous secular liberal posts on here….
What a self righteous jerk.
Typical
Christian Conservative
February 19th, 2013
2:53 pm
TaxPayer
Christian Conservative has Christian values! What are they?
Simple. We should value life and the sanctity of marriage… Something your party does not…
Peadawg
February 19th, 2013
2:54 pm
Kamspam, that video made my day!
Doggone/GA
February 19th, 2013
2:54 pm
“and we constantly hear libs label Jesus as “Progressive”
Has he objected?
Christian Conservative
February 19th, 2013
2:54 pm
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
He would probably shake his head in disbelief at how rotten and repulsive our society has become
“Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do”. That’s exactly what I think when I read the numerous secular liberal posts on here….
What a self righteous jerk.
Typical
I think those cheesy grits are burnt…. LOL…
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 19th, 2013
2:56 pm
WRONG. We live in a nation where man Americans choose to be Christians but that is all.
Exactly right JamVet.
The founding fathers were liberals and weren’t all that religious.
Washington rarely attended Church and Jefferson …. please.
They saw an opportunity to create a new democratic nation and where did most of thier inspiration come from.
Not the bible but ancient Republics of Rome and Greece.
You can even see it in the architecture in DC. Its everywhere.
Jesus H Christ
February 19th, 2013
2:57 pm
If you’re considering my religion, please don’t think the buffoon posting
today represents or bears any resemblance to my teachings.
I did not approve that message
PS Had you going on that Dec 21st 2012 thing, huh?
Granny Godzilla
February 19th, 2013
2:57 pm
Christian Conservative
February 19th, 2013
2:53 pm
TaxPayer
Christian Conservative has Christian values! What are they?
Simple. We should value life and the sanctity of marriage… Something your party does not…
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Piffle
Jayne Cobb
February 19th, 2013
2:57 pm
The Man they call Jayne!
He robbed from the rich and he gave to the poor,
He stood up to the man and he gave him what for.
Our love for him now, aint hard to explain,
The hero of Canton, the man they call Jayne!
Our Jayne saw the Mudders’ backs breakin’
He saw the Mudders lament
And he saw that magistrate takin’
Every dollar and leavin’ five cents
So he said, “You can’t do that to my people”
“You can’t crush them under your heel”
Jayne strapped on his hat
And in five seconds flat
Stole everything Boss Higgins had to steal
He robbed from the rich and he gave to the poor
Stood up to the Man and he gave him what for
Our love for him now ain’t hard to explain
The Hero of Canton, the man they call Jayne
Now here is what separates heroes
From common folk like you and I
The man they call Jayne
He turned ’round his plane
And let that money hit sky
He dropped it onto our houses
He dropped it into our yards
And the man they call Jayne
He turned round his plane
And headed out for the stars
He robbed from the rich and he gave to the poor
Stood up to the Man and he gave him what for
Our love for him now ain’t hard to explain
The Hero of Canton, the man they call Jayne!
Christian Conservative
February 19th, 2013
2:58 pm
JamVet:
You can try and change the meaning of what our nation was founded on. Its the liberal way… But it won’t work. This is a nation founded on Judeo-Christian values… Get over it.. Its history sport…
Peadawg
February 19th, 2013
2:58 pm
“We should value life and the sanctity of marriage”
Translation: We should be able to tell women what to do and discriminate against homosexuals.
F’ing Bible thumpers…
Paul
February 19th, 2013
2:59 pm
indigo 2:48
I try to not berate, just question. If you reread the thread, you will notice I do plenty of that. Similar to you, I try to limit it to those who set themselves up as self-appointed enforcers.
Regarding the link, the topic was ‘who wrote the NT books’?’ Didn’t see where that was addressed. The question was asked but not answered. I also noticed much of the underlying material was dated, sometimes by decades. For example, “We don’t know much about how the debate over canonization progressed. ” We actually know quite a bit. ‘Lost Christianities: The Battle for Scripture and the Faiths We Never Knew” by Dr. Bart Ehrman handles it in some depth.
Brosephus™
February 19th, 2013
3:00 pm
Doom: This isn’t about race. My only point to uh huh is that the people who have the most faith in Obama are also the ones being let down the most.
Really??? That 2:22 post of yours sound an awful lot like you think it’s all about race. You’re the one that made the proclamation: “My only point to Granny is that Obama garnered overwhelming black votes(97% I believe) and that ironically black America is suffering more than anyone under Obama. Its just a shame that the people who had the most faith in him are the ones being let down the most.”
That sounds like race is what it’s all about from my view, because it sure doesn’t seem as though it’s all about the hokey pokey when you read your words.