Wisdom for our time, from Honest Abe’s time
Of the more than 40 presidents to occupy the White House, Abraham Lincoln was the only one whose presence was essential to the nation’s future.* The Great Cataclysm that occurred under his leadership had been building for decades and had become inevitable; had it occurred under those who came before him, or those who came after him, the Union as we know it would not have survived.
With that in mind, I’ve collected some pearls of wisdom from Honest Abe that hold particular relevance for our own times and challenges:
“The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise — with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew, and act anew. We must disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country.”
“The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves — in their separate, and individual capacities.”
“There is no grievance that is a fit object of redress by mob law.”
“I believe it is an established maxim in morals that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false, is guilty of falsehood; and the accidental truth of the assertion, does not justify or excuse him.”
“I don’t believe in a law to prevent a man from getting rich; it would do more harm than good. So while we do not propose any war upon capital, we do wish to allow the humblest man an equal chance to get rich with everybody else”
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*And yes, I confess that is artfully worded. We did have one other essential president, George Washington. Like Lincoln, he was uniquely qualified for the time in which he served.
But you see, Washington never lived in the White House.
– Jay Bookman
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JamVet
February 18th, 2013
9:40 pm
71, that you defend the institution of slavery by not denouncing it is not my problem.
God would never have let the side of depravity and murderous thugs win. And he didn’t…
kayaker 71
February 18th, 2013
9:43 pm
Gun ownership and the freedom to protect yourself against an intruder or an intrusive government is protected in the 2nd Amendment. There is no other issue that will inflame the American people like this one. It is bigger than the budget, the debt, immigration, health care…… you name it. If you want to see an inflamed public that will rebel against this nonsense, just come to the door of the average gun owner and say that you are there to take away his weapons. I would not like to be standing on that doorstep.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 18th, 2013
9:43 pm
“Mississippi Officially Abolishes Slavery, Ratifies 13th Amendment”
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/02/mississippi-officially-abolishes-slavery-ratifies-13th-amendment/
Well there you go !
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 18th, 2013
9:44 pm
kayaker 71:
I really don’t think the libs. realize what they have started with this one.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 18th, 2013
9:45 pm
“God would never have let the side of depravity and murderous thugs win. And he didn’t…”
He let the nation of Israel be taken into slavery more than once.
That should be a lesson to us.
Lord Help Us
February 18th, 2013
9:46 pm
‘If you want to see an inflamed public that will rebel against this nonsense, just come to the door of the average gun owner and say that you are there to take away his weapons. I would not like to be standing on that doorstep.’
Is anyone proposing this? I think you need to depart the fever swamp…
kayaker 71
February 18th, 2013
9:46 pm
Scout, 9:44,
Nor do I.
saywhat?
February 18th, 2013
9:48 pm
Vicksburg is a great national park to go visit. The family and I enjoyed it immensely. My favorite part was walking through a tunnel Union soldiers had dug through a hill crest to avoid sniper fire. We were surrounded by other families with their little kids carrying rebel flags and all, when my 6 year old asks ” Daddy, where is the bad guys tunnel?”. Too funny. My southern born kids think they are Yankees like their old man.
td
February 18th, 2013
9:49 pm
JamVet
February 18th, 2013
9:29 pm
Yeah 71, a real bummer that the pro-slavery gang didn’t win, huh?
Just think how awesome things would be for blacks in this country now!
You do know that there were a great deal of African Americans that were owned by other African Americans prior to and during the civil war?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 18th, 2013
9:51 pm
“Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look
upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest.”
Gandhi
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 18th, 2013
9:51 pm
Is anyone proposing this?
Yes they are, BENGHAZI and SHUT UP!
Recon 0311 2533
February 18th, 2013
9:51 pm
Kayaker 71, 0311/8541,
With 3 million firearms in this country I don’t think we’ll see a government dink standing on our door steps anytime soon demanding confiscation of our guns. The armed revolution with the U.S. military supporting the people would have commenced long before it.
td
February 18th, 2013
9:51 pm
JamVet,
Slavery was on the way out as a viable economic system at the time of the Civil War. The Industrial revolution made it so that low skilled workers could be paid less then the cost of a slave.
kayaker 71
February 18th, 2013
9:53 pm
Lord Help Us, 9:46,
If the average liberal like Shummer or Feinstein had their way, there would be no more handguns, conceal carry permits, the right to defend your home….. nothing. They want it all. They prance around their real focus while putting window dressing on what they say in public. Most are deathly afraid of the issue and are hesitant to address it for fear of losing an election, which seems to be their purpose in life. Remember how popular Sam Nunn was in Georgia? When he came out backing the Brady Bill, lots of bumper stickers appeared on Georgia cars that said, ” Sam Nunn wants your gun”. He didn’t survive the next election.
Lord Help Us
February 18th, 2013
9:54 pm
‘Yes they are, BENGHAZI and SHUT UP!’
What about Fast and Furious? Remember, that was Obama’s plot to foment anger to garner public support to achieve his goal of gun confiscation…
JamVet
February 18th, 2013
9:56 pm
Yes, and what is your point, td?
Lord Help Us
February 18th, 2013
9:56 pm
‘If the average liberal like Shummer or Feinstein had their way, there would be no more handguns, conceal carry permits, the right to defend your home….. nothing. ‘
Do you have any evidence or do you just make this crap up?
Lord Help Us
February 18th, 2013
9:57 pm
‘With 3 million firearms in this country ‘
I think you forgot a couple zeroes, genius…
Thulsa Doom
February 18th, 2013
9:57 pm
Benghazi, fast and furious, etc. What is it with the Dims highlighting the Obammunists incompetency?
JamVet
February 18th, 2013
9:59 pm
Being paranoid and delusional are not reasons to fear your mini-arsenal is in danger, cons…
Lord Help Us
February 18th, 2013
10:00 pm
‘The armed revolution with the U.S. military supporting the people would have commenced long before it.’
You people need help…seriously…
Recon 0311 2533
February 18th, 2013
10:00 pm
Obama slinked back to Chi town and pitched gun control in a city with already some of the most restrictive gun laws and the most gun violence in nation. How does that paradox equate?
Thulsa Doom
February 18th, 2013
10:00 pm
“I think you forgot a couple zeroes, genius…”
No doubt. There’s got to be a ton of William Raspberry liberals out there with guns that we don’t know about.
Thulsa Doom
February 18th, 2013
10:01 pm
“How does that paradox equate?”
It perfectly equates to more liberal stupidity.
Recon 0311 2533
February 18th, 2013
10:02 pm
You people need help…seriously…
Dumber than a box of rocks, aren’t you.
Lord Help Us
February 18th, 2013
10:03 pm
‘No doubt. There’s got to be a ton of William Raspberry liberals out there with guns that we don’t know about.’
No, genius junior…it is commonly reported that an estimated 300 million firearms are in circulation in the country. Read…cuz…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 18th, 2013
10:03 pm
What about Fast and Furious? Remember, that was Obama’s plot to foment anger to garner public support to achieve his goal of gun confiscation…
My personal favorite comes from professor James Tracy who claims that the Newtown shooting didn’t happen and the Obama administration hired actors to shape public opinion.
Jackie
February 18th, 2013
10:04 pm
There were free blacks who owned slaves prior to the civil war, but, one has to look at who they were and the actual number free blacks who owned slaves.
http://slaverebellion.org/index.php?page=the-black-slave-owners
Lord Help Us
February 18th, 2013
10:05 pm
‘Dumber than a box of rocks, aren’t you’
Hey (h/t Sy), I ain’t the one dreaming up ‘armed revolution with the U.S. military supporting the people.’ You turdblossoms live in a fantasy world…
Recon 0311 2533
February 18th, 2013
10:09 pm
I think we need to live in the present and not in the past or Lord Help Us.
Brosephus™
February 18th, 2013
10:10 pm
Scout @ 8:22
Against all enemies, both foreign and domestic…
@ 8:32
Seems to run afoul of the 1st Amendment, but I can’t give a honest assessment because I can’t put myself under the same constraints he faced. Hindsight is available to me whereas he didn’t have that luxury.
—————-
josef
Melanin has its privileges.
Jackie
February 18th, 2013
10:14 pm
Fast and Furious timeline.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/06/21/what-is-operation-fast-and-furious-11-questions-answers.html
Benghazi timeline.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444620104578008922056244096.html
Soothsayer
February 18th, 2013
10:14 pm
““In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”
– Friedrich Nietzsche
Look before I leap...
February 18th, 2013
10:16 pm
JamVet
February 18th, 2013
9:56 pm
Yes, and what is your point, td?
I think td’s point was that the civil war was unnecessary. That the economically and socially progressive south would have eventually discarded slavery and granted full citizen rights to the millions of dark skinned persons within their borders. Ensuring educational, economic and social parity with the white people.
If the above is true, then the south’s biggest beef is not that the slaves were freed, but that the big bad federal government forced them to do 2 or 3 generations before it would have happened naturally.
Lord Help Us
February 18th, 2013
10:17 pm
‘I think we need to live in the present and not in the past or Lord Help Us.’
IMHO, people like you need to tether yourselves to reality and knock off the fantasy-land crap…Nobody’s coming for your guns, Obama was born in Hawaii, Benghazi was a tragedy (not a scandal), and for every instance of ‘moral decay’ you see, I see lots of examples of humanity moving forward and more just.
Alex
February 18th, 2013
10:21 pm
Josef, I don’t study comparative religions much, but your comment on the past suggesting your future strikes me as buddist or at least the philosophy of james lee burke.
Look before I leap...
February 18th, 2013
10:22 pm
Recon 0311 2533
February 18th, 2013
10:09 pm
I think we need to live in the present and not in the past or Lord Help Us.
If we don’t recognize that today is a product of what we did yesterday and tomorrow a result of what we do today, then we are condemned to live in a world of tomorrow being nothing but our yesterdays.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 18th, 2013
10:26 pm
td:
“Slavery was on the way out as a viable economic system at the time of the Civil War. The Industrial revolution made it so that low skilled workers could be paid less then the cost of a slave.”
Just now reading a fascinating book entilted “1493″ by Charles C. Mann
In brief:
Indentured servants from Europe were actually cheaper than slaves. So why didn’t we use them instead?
Slaves from Africa were in large percentages immune from the strains of malaria present from Maryland south.
Indentured servants from Europe weren’t so starting in the 1600’s they were used mainly north of Maryland and slaves south of Maryland.
Had the situation be reversed ………….. guess what ?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 18th, 2013
10:28 pm
Brosephus @ 10:10
Yes ……….. there can be enemies against the Constitution that are both “foreign and domestic”.
We have seen this throughout our history both internally and externally ……….. and those “enemies” can and have been both conservative and liberal !
Thulsa Doom
February 18th, 2013
10:29 pm
“it is commonly reported that an estimated 300 million firearms are in circulation in the country”
Another proud exclamation of a commonly known factoid- although I admit I thought the number was at only 270 million. Feel good to repeat something that we all pretty much know genius? Geez.
Recon 0311 2533
February 18th, 2013
10:30 pm
As disheartening as it is for many these days it will be none the less historically pertinent to document the negative effect political correctness has had on our society. In the life time of many on this blog it would have been an impeachable offense not that many years ago for an administration to refuse to enforce the laws of the land. Laws such as DOMA, immigration laws and undermining the military’s UCMJ. How far the left has dragged this great nation down.
JamVet
February 18th, 2013
10:31 pm
2 or 3 generations?
More like 20 or 30!
The Baghdad Bob Party does crack me up though!
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 18th, 2013
10:34 pm
An EXCELLENT read !
Toughest Gun Laws/Worst Crime (The Boston Globe 2/17/13):
Major points:
“In 1998, Massachusetts passed what was hailed as the toughest gun-control legislation in the country.
Since 1998, gun crime in Massachusetts has gotten worse, not better.
Don’t hold your breath waiting for gun-control activists to admit they were wrong.
Massachusetts probably has the toughest laws on the books, but what happens is people go across borders and buy guns and bring them into our state.
This has become a popular argument in gun-control circles. It may even be convincing to someone emotionally committed to the belief that ever-stricter gun control is a plausible path to safety. But it doesn’t hold water.
Blaming the neighbors may be ideologically comforting. But those aren’t the states whose crime rates are up.”
http://www.jeffjacoby.com/12950/after-the-toughest-gun-law-gun-crime-rose
Recon 0311 2533
February 18th, 2013
10:35 pm
our yesterdays.
look before you leap, our yesterdays were pretty damned good in comparison to the rest of this world. We built a strong nation that the left wants to bring down.
appleseed
February 18th, 2013
10:35 pm
Armed revolution with the military supporting the people.Which people would they support?Black, Hispanic or old white men?Who would the women support?
Lord Help Us
February 18th, 2013
10:39 pm
Old, bitter, delusional and living in the past…
Sad…
Thulsa Doom
February 18th, 2013
10:40 pm
“That the economically and socially progressive south would have eventually discarded slavery and granted full citizen rights to the millions of dark skinned persons within their borders.”
Had the North not gone to war the South would have eventually abolished slavery but it certainly would have taken several more generations- probably 50 years or more. I don’t think the shame and embarassment of such a system could have lasted very far into the 20th century if at all. Plus I think from a labor economics standpoint slavery is a terrible system for advancement. The use of cheap labor is a disincentive to innovate and improve worker productivity. And more importantly than that you’re vastly underemploying the human capital of the enslaved people. When you have the potential of someone like a Ben Carson picking cotton its a horrible underutilization of human capital that deprives the society at large of economic benefits as well as the individual. It just would have taken a while for the Southern leaders to realize and admit that along with shaming them into change.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 18th, 2013
10:43 pm
Enter your comments hereHeadline (AJC): “First-of-a-kind: Waffle House charges diners a security fee”
“Waffle House at Underground Atlanta has added a 20 percent surcharge for security.”
IT’S NOT THE GUN ……….. IT’S THE CULTURE THAT HAS CHANGED !
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/waffle-house-smothers-customers-with-security-surc/nWQmX/
Recon 0311 2533
February 18th, 2013
10:43 pm
Stupidity and ignorance will unfortunately be with us for awhile. Hopefully, not for quite awhile.
Look before I leap...
February 18th, 2013
10:46 pm
@Recon 2533:
Ignoring for the moment that you did a 180:
Where exactly do you think in an historical sense we peaked as a nation?
Lord Help Us
February 18th, 2013
10:46 pm
‘Stupidity and ignorance will unfortunately be with us for awhile.’
…says the genius predicting, ‘The armed revolution with the U.S. military supporting the people would have commenced long before it.’
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 18th, 2013
10:46 pm
“It just would have taken a while for the Southern leaders to realize and admit that along with shaming them into change.”
Along with shaming Northern/New England ship owner/slave traders from bringing new slaves in (which had long been against the law).
People fail to realize that Great Britain had outlawed slavery in its colonies only about 30 years before. Child labor (just another form of slavery) continued in this country for another 50 years.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 18th, 2013
10:47 pm
P.S.
And most of that child labor/slavery was up north in those “wonderful” factories and coal mines.
Brosephus™
February 18th, 2013
10:48 pm
When you have the potential of someone like a Ben Carson picking cotton its a horrible underutilization of human capital that deprives the society at large of economic benefits as well as the individual.
Under the American system of slavery, a Ben Carson would not have existed, and if he did, that would have been the exception to the norm. Slaves were forbidden to be educated, so the potential would have been hard to find.
That’s enough of this for me tonight, y’all have fun.
JamVet
February 18th, 2013
10:48 pm
Per the esteemed Mr. Jindal, the stupid, insulting and backward party needs to do something different or yes, they will not be with us for more than a little while more…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 18th, 2013
10:49 pm
Lord Help us:
Did you know that more Georgians fought for the Crown (King George) than for the Tri-Cornered Hat (George Washington) during our Revolution.
I wonder which side you would have been on ??
Recon 0311 2533
February 18th, 2013
10:49 pm
The old hard left of the 60’s and their wannabe’s will be dieing off over the next few years. Hopefully, my young daughter and grand children can rebirth a saner more productive America that I once knew.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 18th, 2013
10:52 pm
Brosephus:
Do you know who almost went to jail before the “Civil War” for teaching slaves to read and write in violation of state law (Lynchburg, Va.) ?? He was told to “cease” and he refused.
Professor Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson
Recon 0311 2533
February 18th, 2013
10:52 pm
says the genius predicting, ‘The armed revolution with the U.S. military supporting the people would have commenced long before it.
And so the asinine one omits the complete post. Typical.
Lord Help Us
February 18th, 2013
10:53 pm
‘Child labor (just another form of slavery) continued in this country for another 50 years.’
That, along with segregation, love canal and thalidomide are part of what Recon misses about the good ol’ days…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 18th, 2013
10:54 pm
Recon:
That’s a very good point !!!
JamVet
February 18th, 2013
10:55 pm
Baghdad Bob was right about Romney’s big win, so why would anyone doubt his prognostications about the death of liberalism? (Even though his beloved Republican Guard is getting massacred pretty much every election these days!)
Look before I leap...
February 18th, 2013
10:56 pm
I noticed Recon 2533, you did not answer my question directly.
You posted something about the 60’s leftists… would it be that you think the 50’s were America’s pinnacle?
Jackie
February 18th, 2013
10:59 pm
@Scout
Don’t know if you are aware, but many Southern states resisted joining the war of succession. There were many areas of most Southern states that actively supported maintaining the Union.
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ncuv/honey1.htm
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ncuv/honey1.htm
Thulsa Doom
February 18th, 2013
11:00 pm
Brocephus,
That was my whole point- that under slavery a man like Ben Carson and his potential and talents would have been wasted.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 18th, 2013
11:02 pm
Lord Help us:
You must study/learn from history based on the time frame in which the people lived. You must put yourself in their place or you get only about 50% of the true picture.
Another example:
Stonewall Jackson’s pastor received a letter from him about two weeks after Bull Run. He was very excited as he knew it must be a first hand account of the battle and he would read it to the congregation. Instead, there was only a short note and a little money. The note said that in the events of the past few weeks he had forgotten to forward his offering to the Sunday School class that he had taught. A little money was enclosed.
What class did he teach prior to the war? This great professor at VMI and Confederate Warrior ?
It was a primary class of black slave boys.
Look it up.
Those events and that war were much more complicated than we can EVER imagine.
Recon 0311 2533
February 18th, 2013
11:03 pm
Look before you leap,
Sorry I don’t recall, but if I didn’t it was because you’re question probably didn’t deserve a direct answer.
Thulsa Doom
February 18th, 2013
11:03 pm
Scout,
What stood out about that Waffle House article was that it said right there at that Peachtree center marta station that 261 felonies were committed last year according to the police. Reminds me of the debate last year when the libs said that there was no more crime associated with Marta stations than anywhere else in general.
Jackie
February 18th, 2013
11:03 pm
Other supporting info concerning the Civil War and surprisingly who chose what side.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/04/11/966022/-The-Truth-About-the-Confederacy
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 18th, 2013
11:04 pm
Jackie:
And you are correct. That’s why it is more complicated than we can imagine.
Tennessee voted to leave by only one vote.
Maryland would have left the Union but Lincoln wouldn’t allow the vote.
Many northerners were sympathetic to letting the South go.
I could go on and on but you get the point.
Thank you for your input.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 18th, 2013
11:05 pm
Thulsa @ 11:03
Ah, yes …………………………
Recon 0311 2533
February 18th, 2013
11:05 pm
Getting late…Good night y’all. Taps
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 18th, 2013
11:07 pm
Jackie:
During our Revolution only about 10-15% of Americans actually took up arms/put their lives on the line.
About 40% were on the fence and about 40% actually fought for (Tories)/supported the Crown.
But ………….. a dedicated few can make a difference.
Lord Help Us
February 18th, 2013
11:09 pm
‘Those events and that war were much more complicated than we can EVER imagine.’
No doubt. I have first hand experience with some of the most racist people you can imagine. I have seen them go to great lengths with their time, money and personal commitment to help out those they disparage and rail against. Doesn’t change the fact that they are horribly racist, but there is a lot of good in them too.
Jackie
February 18th, 2013
11:11 pm
@Scout
A dedicated few can make a huge difference.
However, our history as always shown that are dedicated few usually take up arms to protect the many.
Thulsa Doom
February 18th, 2013
11:13 pm
Scout,
Makes you realize some data was ignored or suppressed in that column last year concerning real crime stats around marta stations.
Jackie
February 18th, 2013
11:13 pm
@Scout
Should have read “our history as always shown that a dedicated few…”
Look before I leap...
February 18th, 2013
11:18 pm
@Recon 2533
I’ll recap – this was an invitation to an honest and sincere discussion – of course you are welcome to defer and abstain – just say so and avoid indirect responses:
YOU @ 10:35P
look before you leap, our yesterdays were pretty damned good in comparison to the rest of this world. We built a strong nation that the left wants to bring down.
This is response to my post at 10:22
If we don’t recognize that today is a product of what we did yesterday and tomorrow a result of what we do today, then we are condemned to live in a world of tomorrow being nothing but our yesterdays.
look before you leap, our yesterdays were pretty damned good in comparison to the rest of this world. We built a strong nation that the left wants to bring down.
I simply asked you, if you think America as a country has peaked (and therefore on the decline), then where (in terms of time) do you think we did so?
Look before I leap...
February 18th, 2013
11:28 pm
A bit late for this thread – but here is a thought experiment:
Suppose – the Union loses the Civil War and the CSA wins.
So now we are two countries.
Who’s better off? the USA. The CSA? Do we do the things that history recorded?
Does the industrial revolution occur?
Who wins WWII?
Who creates and deploys the first atomic weapon?
Who lands on the moon?
Who eradicates Polio?
Are we BetaMax or VHS?
appleseed
February 18th, 2013
11:35 pm
Had recon lived in slavery days He would have been the Mastah of Black Oaks.With several picaninnys running around.
Thulsa Doom
February 18th, 2013
11:49 pm
“Suppose – the Union loses the Civil War and the CSA wins.
So now we are two countries.
Who’s better off? the USA. The CSA?”
The USA would have unquestionably been much better off and the gulf between the 2 nations would be vastly farther apart then the economic differences of the 2 regions today. As I stated earlier the institution of slavery by its very nature holds back nations and keeps them mired in poverty. Its a horribly inefficient way to run a nation.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 18th, 2013
11:51 pm
Jackie @ 11:11
Yes ……… I agree. Enjoyed the discussion.
Taps !
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 18th, 2013
11:54 pm
Look before I leap… :
One more quick one …………
Suppose Great Britain had one?
)
The U.S. didn’t exist ?
We would have been one huge Commonwealth from the Gulf Coast up to and including Canada?
Would WWI and WWII even have occurred as Great Britain would have been so much stronger?
Would we have football or rugby …………….
The list is endless !!!
bman.
February 18th, 2013
11:57 pm
“Suppose – the Union loses the Civil War and the CSA wins.”
What if I had purchased some Apple and Google stock….
getalife
February 19th, 2013
12:56 am
Surrender or be annihilated gop.
Get out of the way .
bman.
February 19th, 2013
4:06 am
I hope Mister Bookman blogs about this….
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/state-regional/counties-urge-patience-as-new-tag-laws-take-effect/nWR9p/
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 19th, 2013
6:58 am
You heard it here first:
http://wonkette.com/501803/conspiracy-o-the-week-obama-will-declare-christians-insane-put-them-in-asylums-feed-on-their-souls
josef
February 19th, 2013
7:02 am
ALEX
“Josef, I don’t study comparative religions much, but your comment on the past suggesting your future strikes me as buddist or at least the philosophy of james lee burke.:
I caught this on the way out the door, If you are at all interested in my thoughts this direction, check back in with me on whatever is the current thread. Mine is not a particularly theological opinion.
Granny Godzilla
February 19th, 2013
7:31 am
Feed on their souls?
Braised or Broiled?
Perhaps USinUK can provide a most excellent recipe.
What’s the right wine to accompany filet of soul?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 19th, 2013
7:32 am
In the film, Lawrence Wilkerson, Powell’s chief of staff at the time, recalls the day Congress passed a resolution authorizing Bush to attack Iraq:
Powell walked into my office and without so much as a fare-thee-well, he walked over to the window and he said, “I wonder what’ll happen when we put 500,000 troops into Iraq and comb the country from one end to the other and find nothing?”
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 19th, 2013
7:34 am
What’s the right wine to accompany filet of soul?
A nice Chianti.
Thomas
February 19th, 2013
7:44 am
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-19/paulson-leads-funds-to-bermuda-tax-dodge-aiding-billionaires.html
crap crap crap and more crap
Paulson made his billions by sucking GSachs into creating a short residential real estate product and offloading it to weaker and less intelligent players such as Citi. cure cancer feed the homeless hire a vet adopt a kitten simplify and legitimize the tax code
Thomas
February 19th, 2013
7:45 am
Kam- spot on Burgundys and Chiantis are the most overlooked of the wines
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.
February 19th, 2013
8:01 am
Good morning to all y’all folks out there. Totally off topic here (go figure), but I just finished watching clips fro Rachel Maddow’s expose on the build up for the second Iraq war ala Bush Cheney, based on the book “Hubris”. My God, it is good. It reminds one how stupid we can be.
Two things I didn’t get out of it though were, why did Bush have such a hard on for Saddam and why isn’t he and his cronies in jail now?
You really should watch it
Thomas Heyward Jr
February 19th, 2013
8:03 am
It is no wonder why Progressives worship this vile despicable creature.
Murder, violence, tyranny, mayhem.
Lincoln is not unlike the present odious chunk of bile vomited forth from the lower intestine of Illinois——–
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When Richmond fell another interesting little tidbit of American history occurred. Lincoln’s subordinates ordered that the Episcopal churches, in which it is the custom to pray for the leader of the country, were to pray for Abraham Lincoln in conquered areas of the South. If they refused to pray for Abraham Lincoln, Northen troops were to take the priest away from the altar, thrust him out of the church, close the church and turn the church over to Northem denominations.
Another development in the course of the war which shows something of the barbarity with which it was waged is the famous incident involving Benjamin Butler in New Orleans. General Butler was one of the most ruthless and cruel Northern generals. When he occupied New Orleans he embarked upon a course of insult and abuse toward the civilian population. There were hardly any males of military age left in New Orleans. They had all been sent off to the army, so that the women were deprived of their sons, husbands and fathers to protect them. It was apparently inconceivable to Butler that these women would not welcome their Northern conquerors under the circumstances of the war and he took umbrage at the fact that one Southem lady spat at a Northem soldier who persisted in making advances toward her. When Butler heard of this he issued his Order Number 28 which read as follows:
As the officers and soldiers of the United States have been subject to repeated insults from the women calling themselves “ladies” of New Orleans in return for the most scrupulous non-interference and courtesy on our part [it is to be noted that there were Negro troops among the occupying army] it is ordered that hereafter when any female shall by word, gesture or movement insult or show contempt for any officer or soldier of the United States she shall be regarded and held liable to be treated as a woman of the town plying her avocation.55
This in essence was a “right to rape” order which he issued to his troops and he undoubtedly, given his personality, was gratified by the effect it worked upon the civilian population. I assume that he was also astonished at the outrage that it aroused around the world, because the order redounded to the great discredit of the United States. Palmerston, the British Prime Minister, wrote to Charles Francis Adams, the U.S. Minister in London the following concerning Butler’s order
I will venture to say that no exanple can be found in the history of civilized nations till the publication of this order of a General guilty in cold blood of so infamous an act as deliberately to hand over the female inhabitants of a conquered city to the unbridled license of an unrestrained soldiery.55
Later he said to the English Parliament: “It is a proclamation to which I do not scruple to attach the epithet ‘infamous.’ Any English man must blush to think that such an act has been committed by one belonging to the Anglo-Saxon race.”
Likewise the French Minister in Washington, Mercier, who was concerned because so many of the women in New Orleans were of French extraction, issued strong remonstrances from the French government. Finally, Lincoln relieved Butler of his command — but not because of Buder’s treatment of the civilians of New Orleans; not because Butler and his brother were believed to be selling supplies through the black market to the Confederates; not because Butler ordered a civilian hanged: Lincoln did not remove Butler for these reasons. It was when Butler began confiscating foreign property and all of the foreign consuls united and objected to his behavior in a unanimous letter to Washington that Butler was removed. Lincoln’s reaction to the complaints was to give Butler the assignment of Commander of the Department of Virginia and North Carolina and Commissioner of Prisoner-of-War Exchanges.
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Decent People shudder at the evilness.
Granny Godzilla
February 19th, 2013
8:05 am
Corbin…..
And some still think we should take the GOP seriously on foreign policy.
Granny Godzilla
February 19th, 2013
8:08 am
” odious chunk of bile vomited forth ”
mellifluous mendacity
independent thinker
February 19th, 2013
8:17 am
How the modern Stupid Party came into being:
“”"”"”"”"”"”But great as our tax burden is, it has not kept pace with public spending. For decades, we have piled deficit upon deficit, mortgaging our future and our children’s future for the temporary convenience of the present. To continue this long trend is to guarantee tremendous social, cultural, political, and economic upheavals.
You and I, as individuals, can, by borrowing, live beyond our means, but for only a limited period of time. Why, then, should we think that collectively, as a nation, we are not bound by that same limitation?
We must act today in order to preserve tomorrow. And let there be no misunderstanding—we are going to begin to act, beginning today.”"”"”"”"”"”"”"
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Saint Ronald’s First Inaugaral address
“”"”"”"”"”"”"Instead, history shows that Ronald Reagan reversed a long trend of reducing the national debt as a percentage of GDP, which had been lowered by every previous president (except Gerald Ford) since the end of World War II.
“”"”"”"”"”"”"”Ronald Reagan exploded the federal debt, eventually to over a trillion dollars, by cutting taxes while demanding that the nation fund a huge expansion of the military. Even the Wall Street Journal at the time was aware of the unsound nature of this Republican deficit-spending scheme. They and other newspapers warned of the “baleful effects of big [government] deficits.”
Reagan was hopeful that the deficits would frighten the American people into supporting a wide-ranging series of cuts in social spending, not military spending, and while some cuts were made in welfare programs, which increased the suffering of the poor, the debt as a percentage of GDP ballooned under Reagan and George H. W. Bush (Bush I) back to a point it had been at under another Republican, Dwight Eisenhower.”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"
From the Examiner.com
Remeber the 600 ship Navy- and Star Wars?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 19th, 2013
8:17 am
Corbin, rather sickening to find even more evidence of the deception of the American public and spending so much money on a war that was purely for Bush’s ego. Even more disturbing that the neocons continue to waive the flag of stupidity about this over and over again.
JamVet
February 19th, 2013
8:23 am
Heyward would prefer that his and fellow southerners could still keep slaves.
But because we had to kill a whole bunch of them and put an end to that little slavery game of theirs, they can’t and they HATE it. Especially that a liberal did that to them!
Now 150 years on the losers have to be content to say modern day blacks are stupid, lazy mooches for not joining them and their American fascist party.
Too bad, so sad for Heyward.