Wisdom for our time, from Honest Abe’s time
Of the more than 40 presidents to occupy the White House, Abraham Lincoln was the only one whose presence was essential to the nation’s future.* The Great Cataclysm that occurred under his leadership had been building for decades and had become inevitable; had it occurred under those who came before him, or those who came after him, the Union as we know it would not have survived.
With that in mind, I’ve collected some pearls of wisdom from Honest Abe that hold particular relevance for our own times and challenges:
“The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise — with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew, and act anew. We must disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country.”
“The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves — in their separate, and individual capacities.”
“There is no grievance that is a fit object of redress by mob law.”
“I believe it is an established maxim in morals that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false, is guilty of falsehood; and the accidental truth of the assertion, does not justify or excuse him.”
“I don’t believe in a law to prevent a man from getting rich; it would do more harm than good. So while we do not propose any war upon capital, we do wish to allow the humblest man an equal chance to get rich with everybody else”
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*And yes, I confess that is artfully worded. We did have one other essential president, George Washington. Like Lincoln, he was uniquely qualified for the time in which he served.
But you see, Washington never lived in the White House.
– Jay Bookman
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Brosephus™
February 18th, 2013
7:33 pm
josef
There is that part too…
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Mama Says: Not one of those oaths said anything about blind obedience to whatever the president wants. As did mine, his oath dictates that he will preserve the constitution as written, not to preserve his right to interrupt it.
I don’t know what oath you took, but there is no stipulation to preserve it as written.
http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovernment/a/oaths_of_office.htm
Presidential Oath of Office (per the US Constitution): “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”
The oaths for all others vary just a bit from that, but none have a stipulation that the Constitution has to be preserved as written. The oath is to protect and defend the Constitution. There are no limits to what constitutes protection and/or defense either. That was something I questioned back when the debate on the Patriot Act was taking place. I haven’t found anything yet to show where strict guidelines have been set on what defines protection and/or defense.
Soothsayer
February 18th, 2013
7:33 pm
I invite everyone to watch “Hubris” tonight on (gulp!) MSNBC @ 9:00 pm about the selling of the EYE-rack war to the American public.
If you watch, carefully note the order in which the lies are presented to the American public by the Neocons and compare them to the lies being promulgated by those same Neocons re: EYE-ran and Syria.
Doggone/GA
February 18th, 2013
7:34 pm
If “Nobody does what Papa John’s does” – does that mean Papa John’s doesn’t do it either?
LaKeisha Jackson
February 18th, 2013
7:34 pm
A few favorite Lincoln quotes:
“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.”
“America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.”
“Let not him who is houseless pull down the house of another, but let him work diligently and build one for himself.”
JamVet
February 18th, 2013
7:39 pm
It strikes me that Grant’s epiphany vis a vis the Jews mirrors Lincolns with the issue of slavery.
These were men who learned from and corrected their mistakes.
A great lesson for us all…
USA Patriot
February 18th, 2013
7:39 pm
“I invite everyone to watch “Hubris” tonight on (gulp!) MSNBC …..”
And then I quit reading. That’s a solid, reliable, source for news. CHIN CHA?
josef
February 18th, 2013
7:42 pm
ZamVet
Read the new study by Joseph Sarna “When Grant Expelled the Jews.” I highly recommend it. It caused me to reassess the subject of Grant and his post war repentance, but not the action itself.
Recon 0311 2533
February 18th, 2013
7:43 pm
The civil war is over and has been over since desegregation. The far-left wants to perpetuate it for their selfish ideological motive aimed at keeping the black vote captive. Black Americans like Dr. Ben Carson and others will eventually break through this left wing captivity and set Black America free. The far-left is terrified of this eventuality. BTW…the Democrat left is even more terrified of losing the very tenuous hold it has on the Hispanic vote. Change will come as it always does in life and politics.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 18th, 2013
7:47 pm
First, we were terrified of Sarah Plain.
Then it was Gingrich, Perry, Cain, Bachmann, Ryan and then Romney.
I’m jaded by all this terror
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 18th, 2013
7:47 pm
I just got in and I am sure someone has already posted this one (that Jay left out) but just in case:
“Any people, anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable, a most sacred right, a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people, that can, may revolutionize, and make their own of so much of the territory as they inhabit. More than this, a majority of any portion of such people may revolutionize, putting down a minority, intermingled with, or near about them, who may oppose their movements.”
From a speech to the House of Representatives, Jan. 12, 1848.
barking frog
February 18th, 2013
7:48 pm
Recon
The civil war is over and has been over since desegregation.
…………………………………………………………………………………..
The War of the Rebellion ended when Lee surrendered.
josef
February 18th, 2013
7:54 pm
FROG
“The War of the Rebellion ended when Lee surrendered.”
That being the official name of the conflict at the time.
“The Southern War of Independence ended when Lee surrendered.”
The official name of the conflict at the time.
It was then that the Civil War began…
Lord Help Us
February 18th, 2013
7:54 pm
‘Black Americans like Dr. Ben Carson and others will eventually break through this left wing captivity and set Black America free. ‘
Some of you have no idea that you are untethered to reality…
td
February 18th, 2013
7:57 pm
JamVet
February 18th, 2013
7:19 pm
“call them what they were. Traitors.”
A traitor would be someone that tried to overthrow the government. The South did not try to overthrow the government, they attempted to follow the Declaration of Independence and leave the union.
Recon 0311 2533
February 18th, 2013
7:58 pm
barking frog,
But the civil war in actuality ended with desegregation, that would not have occurred without White America’s buy in. Blacks who’ve chosen to prosper have prospered and they’re becoming the leadership who are now in the early stages of taking control from the Jessie Jackson’s and Sharptons of this country along with Black congressional leaders who’ve enriched themselves at the expense of Black Americans everywhere in our country.
Jay
February 18th, 2013
7:59 pm
“The civil war is over and has been over since desegregation. The far-left wants to perpetuate it for their selfish ideological motive aimed at keeping the black vote captive.”
Right, Recon. It’s the left that talks of secession, nullification, etc. It’s the left that makes a fetish of Confederate memorials and the Confederate flag. It’s the left whispering “fergit, hell.”
And with all due respect for Dr. Carson, the sudden affection for him on the right is almost touching. “A smart black guy who agrees with us!?! Let’s make him president!”
Does the term “overcompensation” ring a bell?
barking frog
February 18th, 2013
8:01 pm
josef
The struggle for civil rights for blacks was not ‘Civil War’
and there was nothing civil about it, at least for blacks.
The Reconstruction was not a war but it was a struggle
and indeterminate as to a ‘winner’.
Lord Help Us
February 18th, 2013
8:02 pm
‘Does the term “overcompensation” ring a bell?’
I wonder if he has those lifts in his shoes that make him look an inch or two taller…
josef
February 18th, 2013
8:02 pm
TD
Of course they were traitors. They lost. So were the Poles of the 1830s, the Irish of the 1910s, the Czechs of 1968, the Kurds of the 1980s (and in some places still), so were the Indians of Ghandi, the South Africans of Mandela, the Bahrani Shia today…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 18th, 2013
8:03 pm
barking frog:
There are still Southern States required to do certain things under the Voting Rights Act as a result of that conflict. Until those provisions are withdrawn ………… the strife continues.
By the way, there are still as far as I know two “Civil War” dependents (probably in their 90’s) who are receiving benefits checks as a result of their father having been a Civil War veteran.
The last Civil War widow who was receiving said benefits died just a few years ago.
When I was a kid my great grandmother told of seeing Yankee Calvary ride by.
It ain’t really over …………….
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0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 18th, 2013
8:05 pm
josef:
1) And had we lost the Revolution, Washington, et al would have been hung as traitors and we as good British citizens of the Commonwealth might not even have been taught their names.
2) I still say it was the war between the “United (oxymoron) States of American and the Confederate States of America”.
josef
February 18th, 2013
8:06 pm
FROG
You missed my point, I think. All of what you mention were aspects of the Civil War between the two regions of the republic once the rebellion was quashed and the war of independence was lost.
IMAM
The fish ain’t bitin’ for that worm either!
JamVet
February 18th, 2013
8:06 pm
It caused me to reassess the subject of Grant and his post war repentance, but not the action itself.
Right on.
…aimed at keeping the black vote captive. …break through this left wing captivity and set Black America free.
Wow. Is it mind control? Some drug given to black babies? Or are they just willing slaves too slow to fight against their own captivity?
Talk about insulting to black Americans.
No wonder you guys still have a “Negro problem”!
Brosephus™
February 18th, 2013
8:06 pm
Black Americans like Dr. Ben Carson and others will eventually break through this left wing captivity and set Black America free. The far-left is terrified of this eventuality.
Whether one is held captive by the left or right, they’re still captive. Tell Dr. Ben Carson to contact me when he’s truly set himself free of both parties. Until he does that, he’s still captive.
As to desegregation in the US. We supposedly did away with segregation based on color, and we merely shifted to segregation based on class/finances.
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The South did not try to overthrow the government, they attempted to follow the Declaration of Independence and leave the union.
Unfortunately for them, they failed to realize that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land and not the Declaration of Independence.
Recon 0311 2533
February 18th, 2013
8:06 pm
Jay, you’re politically on the losing end of what’s really happening in this nation. I know you vehemently disagree but our economic condition will bring that about within your lifetime and mine.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 18th, 2013
8:07 pm
Jay:
How about that Uncle Abe quote at 7:47 ?
He was a politician just like all of them. If he had been a Southerner he would have continued to wax eloquent as to why they were right.
td
February 18th, 2013
8:09 pm
Jay
February 18th, 2013
7:59 pm
“Right, Recon. It’s the left that talks of secession, nullification, etc.”
Following the original intent of the Constitution (10th Amendment) is only re-fighting the civil war in the eyes of the progressive left.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 18th, 2013
8:09 pm
Jay, you’re politically on the losing end of what’s really happening in this nation
Mitt Romney says “what”?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 18th, 2013
8:10 pm
Question:
Why were Davis, Lee, et al not indicted and tried for treason ?
josef
February 18th, 2013
8:11 pm
BROSEPHUS
“As to desegregation in the US. We supposedly did away with segregation based on color, and we merely shifted to segregation based on class/finances.”
Yep.
“Unfortunately for them, they failed to realize that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land and not the Declaration of Independence.”
Not to mention failing to recognize they were out manned and out gunned.
JamVet
February 18th, 2013
8:11 pm
td, you may have a point there.
But this point, “.. and leave the union…”, still stinks to high heaven when you consider the reason – slavery.
Say it again, this time out loud, just so it sinks in for you confederate apologists – SLAVERY.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
February 18th, 2013
8:11 pm
Tenthers.
barking frog
February 18th, 2013
8:12 pm
0311
My Great Grandfather fought the entire civil war in
The Lookout Dragoons from Dade County Georgia.
When Lee surrendered he was in North Carolina
with a wounded leg and left there walking but caught
a ride on a wagon. He accepted defeat, returned home
and swore his loyalty to the USA. My Great Grandmother
got a civil war widow’s pension after he died and was
the last civil war widow in Dade County. He never
owned a slave or a foot of land.
JamVet
February 18th, 2013
8:12 pm
Why were Davis, Lee, et al not indicted and tried for treason ?
You don’t know???
Thomas Heyward Jr
February 18th, 2013
8:13 pm
Lincoln was a scraggly SOB crooked lawyer bankster puppet from Illinois.
sound familiar?
He caused the unnecessary violent deaths of over half a million americans…..for politics, control, and greed.
.
In short…………a typical progressive.
And the people that revere this monster are………………sick.
And the State will NEVER have the power to ever make decent people think different.
Only the dumb ones.
.
That’s all I got to say.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 18th, 2013
8:13 pm
Brosephus:
“As to desegregation in the US. We supposedly did away with segregation based on color, and we merely shifted to segregation based on class/finances.”
Very astute observation. Well said.
“Unfortunately for them, they failed to realize that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land and not the Declaration of Independence.”
But if it’s violated all bets are off. That’s why the courts have recognized that a citizen has the right to resist an unconstitutional arrest by police.
josef
February 18th, 2013
8:14 pm
SCOUT
Why? Because Judah P got out and went to London!
USA Patriot
February 18th, 2013
8:14 pm
“And with all due respect for BARACK OBAMA, the sudden affection for him on the LEFT is almost touching. “A smart black guy who agrees with us!?! Let’s make him president!”
Does the term “overcompensation” ring a bell?
Fixed it for ya JB!
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 18th, 2013
8:16 pm
barking frog:
I hear you.
My great, great grandfather died (somewhere near Wytheville, Va.) after he was paroled as a Confederate prisoner. He spent two years at Camp Chase, Ohio which had a higher “percentage” (not volume) of prisoner deaths than Andersonville.
Brosephus™
February 18th, 2013
8:17 pm
But if it’s violated all bets are off. That’s why the courts have recognized that a citizen has the right to resist an unconstitutional arrest by police.
And the moment that Federal troops were fired upon by seccessionists, the Constitution was violated, and the President and military had to uphold their oaths and defend the Constitution. Regardless to how you try to paint it, there’s more than one way to look at that time period.
A citizen can resist an unconstitutional arrest by police, but they can not rise in insurrection against the government because of said arrest. There are proper channels to deal with such things. When you become an enemy of the Constitution, all bets are off IMHO.
Brosephus™
February 18th, 2013
8:18 pm
josef
The outmanned and outgunned thing didn’t matter much at first. Where it hurt them was when Lincoln guilted Europe from interceding on behalf of the CSA.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 18th, 2013
8:19 pm
josef:
You know the answer. Don’t be modest.
Inspite of the continued requests from Congress, the Attorney General and two special prosecutors refused to go forward with indictments.
They all felt that in a court of law in front of a jury they might lose and nothing would have been worse than to have won the war and then have a jury vote they had the right to seceed.
So ………… they just let Davis go and the rest is history.
Jack ®
February 18th, 2013
8:21 pm
Abe didn’t have the liberal mass media chronicling his every wart: Gave him time to think.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 18th, 2013
8:22 pm
Brosephus:
That’s why I took an oath to support the Constitution four times ………… not the Congress, not the president and not the Supreme Court ……… the Constitution !
And if any of those three entities absolutely violate that Constitution then any “uprising” is against “them” ………….. not the Constitution.
josef
February 18th, 2013
8:23 pm
Great Grandpappy (the abolitionist) held at Ft. Delaware after having been taken POW while Order # 11 was in force, ate rats to survive, refused to sign a loyalty oath, was dumped ashore in the Delaware side, walked all the way back to Tishomingo County, Mississippi and refused to take back his US citizenship. Died in ease and comfort, though, courtesy Great Granny the money laundress and the benevolence of his freedmen (yeah, he was an abolitionist, but owned two families…a story there to challenge a lot of misconceptions and historical ignorance). His grave is marked with the epitaph “a true Confederate soldier.”
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 18th, 2013
8:24 pm
“And the moment that Federal troops were fired upon by seccessionists, the Constitution was violated”
And at the moment that the federal government attempted to resupply Ft. Sumter with munitions (something Lincoln had agreed not to do while talks continued) it was an act of war.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
February 18th, 2013
8:25 pm
Unless Congress steps in, some $85 billion in massive spending reductions will hit the federal government, doling out furloughs to much of the nation’s 2.1 million federal workforce, experts say.
Well, make room, teachers. You’re about to get some company.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 18th, 2013
8:25 pm
josef:
Good for him ………… a man of principle.
josef
February 18th, 2013
8:26 pm
BROSEPHUS
“The outmanned and outgunned thing didn’t matter much at first. Where it hurt them was when Lincoln guilted Europe from interceding on behalf of the CSA.”
Ssshhhh…you’ll get fatwah’d if you ain’t careful! But, thass, right, you can say that. You’re Black.
JamVet
February 18th, 2013
8:30 pm
I guess I have never understood the pro-slavery gang and never will.
Especially those who in this day and age still defend them and their cause.
I believe it goes to the very dark heart of the American right wing and their hatred for our American government.
NEVER FORGET AMERICAN SLAVERY.
josef
February 18th, 2013
8:31 pm
SCOUT
While I am registered under all four great-grandfathers names, it is in his honor that I list him as primary in my SCV membership.
Yeah, Torquemada, a card carrying left wing radical one! I’ll have to take you to a meeting sometime! THAT’s fun! You think YOU have trouble getting some things through your pointy l’il haid!
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 18th, 2013
8:32 pm
Brosephus:
Lincoln put numerous Northern newspaper editors in jail for simply printing ediorials calling for the end of bloodshed and to just let the South go peacefully.
Was that a violation of the Constitution ?
josef
February 18th, 2013
8:32 pm
ZamVet
Well, I’ll give you your credit…you at least call it AMERICAN slavery…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 18th, 2013
8:34 pm
josef:
Ooo Rah ! and ………………… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6jSqt39vFM
josef
February 18th, 2013
8:34 pm
BROSEPHUS
Then, of course, there’s the SCV Restitution Plan!
Charles Douglas Edwards
February 18th, 2013
8:35 pm
Abraham Lincoln and Frederick Douglass had an unusual friendship !!!
Their friendship was such that upon Lincoln death his wife Mary Todd Lincoln gave him President Lincoln favorite walking cane.
Words of wisdom from that time by Frederick Douglass:
” It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men ”
” If their is no struggle there is no progress ”
” Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you will have the exact measure of
the injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them.
” Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property is safe.
There is much to be gained from the wisdom of our ancestors.
Recon 0311 2533
February 18th, 2013
8:35 pm
I don’t foresee armed revolution in are future but I do see political revolution in our future based on the trajectory of our economy. It seems that there’s a prevailing mentality on the left that we can sustain Keynesian economics through a vast income tax revenue stream that’s available from the wealthy for many years to come. I don’t think that’s possible and my basis is the wealth that’s currently leaving this nation now and what’s likely to follow. We’re in dire economic straights and it won’t be much longer before the majority understands that we are and the Democrat scam will fold like a house of cards.
Alex
February 18th, 2013
8:36 pm
Jay, as to your point of memorials, have you ever been to the little roundtop in gettysburg—–nary a monument to the south, but hundreds of monuments to Union regiments, brigades, etc. All well earned with the blood and last breaths of young men crying out for their mother during their last living moments. The South happens to respect these tragedies as well and perhaps because these young men who were not paid to take the place of their wealthy compatriots as the northerners often did, should beheld in high regard, perhaps .
As for overcompensation, one should not disparage hope,that is what Obama taught all of us in 2008, remember your own history…
Soothsayer
February 18th, 2013
8:39 pm
Whatever we do we HAVE to avoid the $85,000,000,000.00 in spending cuts because that would represent over six (6) percent of our budget deficit.
Whatever will we do?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 18th, 2013
8:39 pm
Recon:
Right now there are some very, very serious problems but basically our Constitution is still holding strong and working as planned by our forefathers.
I sure don’t see armed “revolution” (like the left tried to do during the Vietnam era) in our lifetimes but give it another 50 years and there’s no telling. That is what’s disturbing for those we leave behind.
JamVet
February 18th, 2013
8:40 pm
Yep, American slavery, jonix. And in the most accurate terms, systemic, entrenched and endless murder, brutality and torture.
And it seems that in the ongoing Lincoln hatefest that little point always gets lost.
Sometimes one has the sacred duty to kill evil men to save innocent men, women and children.
And so it was…
Alex
February 18th, 2013
8:41 pm
@ Josef, kurds as traitors might engender some opposition…..the Czechs of ‘68…?????,traitors to ?????
Soothsayer
February 18th, 2013
8:42 pm
Uh, Alex. Gettysburg is in Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania is in the north, i.e., the Union. WTF would they put a Confederate memorial there.
That would be like a Union monument at Antietam.
Doomy on the drive by
February 18th, 2013
8:44 pm
“A smart black guy who agrees with us!?! Let’s make him president!”
And a few others like Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, Shelby Steele, etc.
Doggone/GA
February 18th, 2013
8:46 pm
“WTF would they put a Confederate memorial there”
Sooth, it’s really worth it check things before you go by your “gut” feeling: “The first Confederate monument on the Gettysburg battlefield was dedicated in 1884 to the 1st Maryland Battalion. It took years for the next to follow. ”
http://www.gettysburg.stonesentinels.com/Confederate.php
Recon 0311 2533
February 18th, 2013
8:47 pm
0311/8541,
My prophesy is about as good as anyone’s. Only the good Lord really knows our future but we’re on an unsustainable economic path and the Democrats ignore that fact. I think the majority in this nation won’t disregard our economic condition much longer and that will cause a huge shift in political ideology to the right. We shall see.
josef
February 18th, 2013
8:48 pm
SOOTH
Go to Vicksburg…monuments to the soldiers of every state whose sons fought and died there…
ALEX
Depends on whom you ask.
And as for the past…
I’m always bemused by the moralistic posturing. If you know who you ancestors were, it’s no great shakes to know what you yourself would have done in time and place.
barking frog
February 18th, 2013
8:53 pm
Soothsayer
Uh, Alex. Gettysburg is in Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania is in the north, i.e., the Union. WTF would they put a Confederate memorial there.
That would be like a Union monument at Antietam.
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There are many Union monuments at Chickamauga.
Recon 0311 2533
February 18th, 2013
8:55 pm
There are many Union monuments at Chickamauga
barking frog, the South is more tolerant.
Soothsayer
February 18th, 2013
8:55 pm
Yeah, yeah, yeah! Here’s my contribution to President’s Day.
barking frog
February 18th, 2013
8:57 pm
Recon
barking frog, the South is more tolerant.
…………………………………………………….
Nah, we just lost……
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 18th, 2013
8:57 pm
Recon:
I agree but just remember there is no way (no way) our grandfathers would have ever thought this country would have degenerated to some of the positions (economical, political, cultural and spiritual) that it has today.
Nothing would surprise me anymore.
Doggone/GA
February 18th, 2013
8:58 pm
“barking frog, the South is more tolerant.”
I suggest you check the link I posted
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 18th, 2013
9:00 pm
barking frog:
I went to Missionary Ridge Elementary School back in the late 50’s.
At recess and after school we would play on the Confederate canons among the Northern and Confederate monuments there on the ridge overlooking Chattanooga.
I was usually the “loader” and killed a lot of Yankees coming over that ridge ………… just not enough I guess ………….
)
Soothsayer
February 18th, 2013
9:01 pm
I once again invite all of you — right and left — to watch “Hubris” on MSNBC coming on right now.
josef
February 18th, 2013
9:02 pm
And here’s our home contribution to President’s Day
http://www.allposters.com/-sp/President-Harry-S-Truman-Signing-Bill-Providing-for-Establishment-of-Indian-Claims-Commission-Posters_i5301965_.htm
barking frog
February 18th, 2013
9:02 pm
0311
last I heard they were going to turn that school into condos…
Doggone/GA
February 18th, 2013
9:03 pm
“I once again invite all of you — right and left — to watch “Hubris” on MSNBC coming on right now”
Sorry, I’ll pass. Those of us who remember only too well that con job don’t need to. And those who refuse to see that they were conned won’t bother.
Thulsa Doom
February 18th, 2013
9:08 pm
“We’re in dire economic straights and it won’t be much longer before the majority understands that we are and the Democrat scam will fold like a house of cards.”
It will be awhile before the system collapses- more like 20 years or more in my view rather than the 5 or 10 years that the alarmists like to think. In the short term I don’t view the size of the debt itself as that big a deal which may be a shock to some of my fellow cons. Where the damage is in my opinion is not in any immediate collapse but in the continous drag that an ever burgeoning debt puts on the economy. The more debt we continue to accumulate the more difficult moderate to good economic growth becomes. That to me is the more short term danger than the actual size of the debt itself.
Got Hannity on in the background whining about Obama playing so much golf. What the hell is wrong with Hannity? The more golf Obama plays the less he can screw things up. Geez. I think the guy needs to spend the remainder of his presidency on the links. Too bad we didn’t run Elmer Fudd like I suggested.
kayaker 71
February 18th, 2013
9:14 pm
Over 625,000 Americans died in that war, more than any in our history. In two days, over 60,000 died at Antitum Bridge. It is estimated that approximately 599 died/day. We ostensibly fought that war to free the slaves and to establish a union that would last forever. If only it had turned out that way.
josef
February 18th, 2013
9:14 pm
Some more for my President’s Day
http://www.trumanlibrary.org/israel/59848a.jpg
http://thegrio.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/20120528-003600.jpg?w=559
Recon 0311 2533
February 18th, 2013
9:15 pm
The more debt we continue to accumulate the more difficult moderate to good economic growth becomes. That to me is the more short term danger than the actual size of the debt itself.
Well when do you think that will have a profound effect on the quality of daily life for Americans? Will it be another 20 years? I don’t believe so.
Thulsa Doom
February 18th, 2013
9:18 pm
“We ostensibly fought that war to free the slaves and to establish a union that would last forever.”
And Harry Belafonte and Louis Farrakhan thank the sacrifices of those white Union soldiers every day. I’m sure of it.
Recon 0311 2533
February 18th, 2013
9:18 pm
Nothing would surprise me anymore
0311/8541, prophesy set aside, I can’t disagree.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 18th, 2013
9:22 pm
Brosephus/Recon:
This is the kind of stuff that could one day take us “over the edge”.
1) Headline (Seattle Times): “Misstep in gun bill could defeat the effort”
“One of the major gun-control efforts in Olympia this session calls for the sheriff to inspect the homes of assault-weapon owners …………… ”
http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2020373291_westneat17xml.html
2) Headline: “Chicago Police Chief: Second Amendment Is A Danger To Public Safety”
“Chicago’s Chief of Police, who previously blamed ”government-sponsored racism” and Sarah Palin for Chicago’s gun violence, declared that the law-ful exercise of the Second Amendment was a threat to public safety.”
http://www.redstate.com/dloesch/2013/02/17/chicago-police-chief-second-amendment-is-a-danger-to-public-safety/
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 18th, 2013
9:23 pm
barking frog @ 9:02
Yes ……….. already done. I was up there in the fall and saw them. Beautiful condos with a great view.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 18th, 2013
9:24 pm
P.S.
They tore the school down though and built the condos from scratch.
kayaker 71
February 18th, 2013
9:24 pm
Recon, 9:15,
It is already having a profound effect on the daily lives of most Americans. This tax year will be the biggest raise in US history. Health care premiums have sky rocketed, rising in the thousands for an average family. But this is only affecting those in America who produce. Those who live off of the govt tit or have government jobs are still living a decent life. Those that produce are being beaten into submission by excessive regulations, fees, edicts and pronouncements that stand in the way of effective productivity. And all the while, they are being lied to each and every day by an administration who desires nothing but the power to continue to do the same or worse. Our freedoms disappear with the stroke of pen, our government cares about nothing but power and how to use it. The next civil war? Might come sooner than you think.
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (aka "Knuckle-Dragger")
February 18th, 2013
9:25 pm
Nice that you quote such a fine Christian fellow as Lincoln – they still have his pew at the First Presbyterian Church in Springfield. I would have thought quoting a Christian would be illegal at the august Atlanta Journal/Constitution.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 18th, 2013
9:27 pm
barking frog:
There also used to be an old fire station about 100 yards west of the school set back over the northern slope. It was something out of Norman Rockwell !
It had only one very old truck that would barely fit, a little room with a desk, sink and stove and one small bed upstairs with a pole through the floor so the fireman on duty could slide down to the truck. We used to go by and talk to the fireman after school.
Recon 0311 2533
February 18th, 2013
9:28 pm
Kayaker 71,
I agree with everything you said but I hope the revolution will come at the ballot box.
Thulsa Doom
February 18th, 2013
9:29 pm
“Well when do you think that will have a profound effect on the quality of daily life for Americans? Will it be another 20 years? I don’t believe so.”
Exactly. Its having an effect today and that drag effect will continue to get worse.
JamVet
February 18th, 2013
9:29 pm
Yeah 71, a real bummer that the pro-slavery gang didn’t win, huh?
Just think how awesome things would be for blacks in this country now!
kayaker 71
February 18th, 2013
9:31 pm
Recon, 9:28,
As do I. But I am afraid it will not. Can you imagine what will ensue when someone comes knocking on the average gun owner’s door saying that they are there to confiscate his/her weapons? And if things continue to go as they appear to be going, it might not be that long.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 18th, 2013
9:34 pm
“In response to the recent push to tighten federal gun laws, several states are proposing bills calling for firearms made and kept within their borders be exempt from federal restrictions to protect gun ownership.”
Ooops ! Looks like a little “rebellion” going on here. I wonder if any of these are “northern” states ?
JamVet
February 18th, 2013
9:35 pm
The next civil war? Might come sooner than you think.
BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Talk about some serious slow learners!
But if you insist, I’m sure that the US government as well as state and local authorities will be glad to accommodate you!
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 18th, 2013
9:36 pm
Ooops Again ! Yes !
Those “pesky” Yankees !
“Since then, a host of other states have tried to pass copycat legislation. Alabama, Georgia, Indiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania and Washington have proposed such legislation since January — following the Dec. 14, 2012, shooting in which 20 first-graders and six adults were killed inside a Newtown, Conn., elementary school.”
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/18/nine-states-proposing-montana-like-law-challenging-federal-reach-on-gun-rights/#ixzz2LJCGJqrU
kayaker 71
February 18th, 2013
9:36 pm
jam Vet, 9:29.
I only mourn those who died. All were Americans, mostly white, who died for what they believed in. Not some distorted view of reality that you seem to possess. The “pro-slavery gang” as you describe them, were composed of over 300,000 Americans. Got that? Americans. Of course, you cannot see past our ideological nose to recognize the profound tragedy of what happened. It is just more than you can seem to comprehend.
Recon 0311 2533
February 18th, 2013
9:37 pm
Kayaker 71,
We’re old soldiers…I have faith that those who’ve come after us wouldn’t allow that to happen but if we’re once again pressed back into service we would answer the call. Lets pray it never comes to that in this great Republic.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
February 18th, 2013
9:40 pm
JamVet:
Don’t forget that in countries where this has happened (and look at our own history) ……….when a high percentage of the populace is actually willing to die for their cause then law enforcement and the military becomes just as fractured (they have families and friends too).
It’s rarely just the “people” vs. the police/military.
It’s usually part of the people and the police/military vs. another part of the people and the police/military and that’s how revolutions occur and governments change.
We’re far, far, far from that here but just sayin’.