Low-income students used as excuse for vouchers

Time and again, state Rep. Earl Ehrhart, R-Marietta, stressed the importance of adding another $30 million to the state’s private-school scholarship program as a way to help students trapped in failed schools and failed systems.

“It is a quasi-voucher,” he told members of a House subcommittee this week. “I will admit that to anybody. It helps people get out of failed systems.” Critics of the program, he said, need to sit down and talk with the grateful parents and children who have used it to escape bad schools.

“I challenge them to look into the eyes of those parents and children and convince them that they really need to go back to the schools that were failing,” he told his fellow legislators.

There is no question that the tax-subsidized program has helped at least some low-income children move into private schools that their parents could never have afforded. However, there is also no question that the program has been and continues to be abused.

Unlike tuition-tax credits in most other states, Georgia makes no attempt to limit the scholarships to children in failing public schools or to low-income children. There is no means-testing of recipients. As a result, tax-subsidized scholarship money collected in the name of helping students in failing schools is being used to benefit economically comfortable students who have never attended public schools for a single day.

To their credit, some supporters of the scholarship program have taken steps on their own to honor its original intent. Arete Scholars Fund, one of more than 30 Georgia organizations that collect and distribute tax-subsidized scholarship money, gives scholarships only to students who are attending public schools, and it awards those scholarships on a strict, needs-based system. According to data released voluntarily by Arete, the average annual household income of its beneficiaries is $28,000, and 82 percent of those receiving aid are eligible for free or reduced-price lunches.

Georgia Goal, another scholarship organization, pursues similar need-based policies. Like Arete, it focuses its assistance on lower-income households. According to its data — again released voluntarily — its recipients come from households with an average adjusted gross income of $26,601.

Similar policies adopted into state law would go a long way to correcting the program and allowing it to serve many more students in failing schools. At the very least, state scholarship organizations should be required to release information of the type released voluntarily by Arete and GOAL, detailing how much of the $52 million in tax-financed scholarships awarded annually go to lower-income as opposed to middle- and upper-income families.

Unfortunately, we are not allowed to know such things. State law prohibits the collection or distribution of such data by the Georgia Department of Revenue. So while the plight of students in failing schools is used to generate public support for the program, we have no idea how much of the money actually goes to that cause.

It’s important to note that in its latest form, Ehrhart’s bill does contain one substantial reform. For the first time, those who donate to the scholarship program would no longer be allowed to designate who gets that scholarship, which may at least make abuse of the program more difficult. Overall, however, the program would remain the worst-managed, least transparent scholarship program of its kind in the country.

– Jay Bookman

453 comments Add your comment

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 18th, 2013
7:40 am

The blockage of the ability to collect appropriate data and information should be a clear sign of intent. It is inexcusable.

Lord Help Us

February 18th, 2013
7:44 am

Stevie Ray

February 18th, 2013
7:51 am

JAY

How do you feel about means testing qualification for other programs?

Brosephus™

February 18th, 2013
7:52 am

THIS… IS… GEORGIA!!!!

If it makes sense or makes things work there is no way in hell it’s going to be legislated as such. When government IS the problem, you can’t make government function properly or else you lose a campaign talking point.

Union

February 18th, 2013
7:53 am

squirrel..

billions lost every year from irs fraud..
billions lost every year from medicaid fraud..
billions lost every year from medicaid fraud.
millions lost every year from wic fraud..

but lets focus on this..

barking frog

February 18th, 2013
7:54 am

I don’t understand why they don’t just transparently say
that they intend to use this program to destroy the public
schools and send the children to institutions of
religious indoctrination.

Karl Marx

February 18th, 2013
7:55 am

“the program would remain the worst-managed, least transparent scholarship program of its kind in the country.”

Just like Cherokee County when a citizen ask for records using the freedom of information act and forced to pay thousands of dollars to obtain said “Public” records from a “Public” school system.

Is that what you mean by “transparent” Mr. Bookman?

Stevie Ray

February 18th, 2013
7:56 am

Brosephus™

February 18th, 2013
7:52 am

Well said. That is one of a few true bipartisan activities in all levels of government..

Shar

February 18th, 2013
7:58 am

If Erhart and his cronies want to add additional money to this program, they need to prove the necessity of the spending, just like any other budget item competing for state funds. That means they need to release data on its current efficacy, who gets the tax-diverted money, graduation rates, the list of schools supported, etc. With the release of all the data we can determine whether the program is valuable. Without that data, we’re blind. And with Erhart and his fellow Republicans criminalizing release of that data, we can only assume that it will tell us something they don’t want us to know.

Georgia on my mind...

February 18th, 2013
7:59 am

This is an excellent article Jay. It would be nice if the Hope Scholarship could benefit more students as well. I always felt like the income cap should be topped off at 150 thousand dollars as well as keeping the 3.0 GPA. When I travel to certain areas of Georgia and purchase gas in those same areas, the lines are usually very long with people purchasing “false hope” on becoming instant millionaires. Those same people with children will probably never receive any Hope Scholarships neither will the kids that attend the schools in those areas. Republicans have created a very divisive state in Georgia amongst the people with income disparities. When the dust blows off, it will be too late for many to realize that most of the areas that separate from local counties motives were to only benefit an elite class. They will see how these cities strategically mapped out areas that generate large sums of revenue. The areas excluded or left behind will suffer from the burden of higher property and local sales taxes.

fedup

February 18th, 2013
8:00 am

Georgia’s version of 47% or shall we say 53% (the real moochers the Republicans never talk about).

Nobama

February 18th, 2013
8:02 am

Stevie Ray – what are you wearing ?

what a country

February 18th, 2013
8:03 am

cant believe Jay didnt comment on McCains latest allegations

fedup

February 18th, 2013
8:03 am

“billions lost every year from irs fraud..” done by Corp. and rich folks
“billions lost every year from medicaid fraud..” done by well to do doctors
“billions lost every year from medicaid fraud.” ditto
millions lost every year from wic fraud..

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 18th, 2013
8:04 am

but lets focus on this..

blogspot.com is ready when you are, sport.

fedup

February 18th, 2013
8:06 am

I am a small businessman and do not cheat people and I am not wealth envy. Thought get this out of the way.

Brosephus™

February 18th, 2013
8:09 am

but lets focus on this..

Sure. When you can’t defend, deflect!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 18th, 2013
8:09 am

forced to pay thousands of dollars to obtain said “Public” records from a “Public” school system

Somebody has not read the Open Records Acts. :roll:

Granny Godzilla

February 18th, 2013
8:16 am

Mornin’ Everybody….

Is there really a whole lotta “forcing” going on or are some folks just plain weak?

Aquagirl

February 18th, 2013
8:21 am

With the release of all the data we can determine whether the program is valuable.

Of course it’s valuable, the well-to-do can get a tax credit for their kid’s tuition. What did you think this program was for? Poor students trapped in failing systems? HAHAHA! Good one, Shar.

Wilbur

February 18th, 2013
8:22 am

Billions in WIC but the lefties hyperventilate about not being able to see where every scholarship dollar goes. Let’s keep this in perspective. Dollars go to kids at private schools in the same or less proportion than they would spend if the kid were at public school. I donated to a special needs school for some child to get a scholarship because the cost is prohibitive for many families.
I get that more transparency would be better but this is hardly serial killer stuff that some on the left would make it. God forbid that some kids would be rescued from the failing educrats and their one-size-fits-none state sponsored schools.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 18th, 2013
8:27 am

“Billions in WIC” — did someone miss the AJC article on that yesterday?

You know the old saying: “Don’t sweat the pennies, the rich will make them into dollars”.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 18th, 2013
8:29 am

You know the old Jedi saying “These are not the dollars you are looking for”

In the middle

February 18th, 2013
8:30 am

Why does everybody get so bent out of shape anytime someone that isn’t low income can keep more of their own money. Jay, quit the bellyaching. So some people use and tax credit that you don’t like. It is not illegal is it. This appears to just be more class warfare.

BTW – When did you become “god” of deciding what people can afford. You act as though a family making 60K a year is rolling in strawberrys and cream without a care in the world.

Ronald Reagan Parkway

February 18th, 2013
8:30 am

If George W. Bush would have generated a better “No Child Left Behind” program, we would not be having this type of problem.

Peadawg

February 18th, 2013
8:30 am

“As a result, tax-subsidized scholarship money collected in the name of helping students in failing schools is being used to benefit economically comfortable students who have never attended public schools for a single day.”

Enough with helping the rich. They are doing JUST FINE.

Krystal'sBalls

February 18th, 2013
8:30 am

Wealth transfer is GREAT….as long as it goes from the bottom up.

Now THAT’S a noble thing.

Granny Godzilla

February 18th, 2013
8:32 am

billions in WIC…..milk…bread…..vegetables…

oh the humanity

Moderate Line

February 18th, 2013
8:32 am

It is an interesting debate whether to fund private schools with public dollars. Interesting many countries in Europe considered to be the most liberal finance private schools. However, in Europe when public dollars flow to private schools so do regulations. My only problem with public dollars funding private schools is that these schools want the funds but not regulations.

http://www.cep-dc.org/cfcontent_file.cfm?Attachment=Kober_Report_LessonsOtherCountries_050199.pdf

Aquagirl

February 18th, 2013
8:33 am

WIC is today’s Benghazi for our avoidance-prone cons.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 18th, 2013
8:34 am

Well, tell me your silly rules and I’ll play your silly game, I always say. A whole bunch of people in GA don’t want to send their kids to public schools to be with Those People and to be taught that Jesus never rode a dinosaur, like most of us beleive. So who can blame people for coming up with a way to use school tax money to get the kids into a private school where they can be taught Christian Values?

Nothing to see here. And if you try and change the rules we’ll come up with a new way to get around them.

Have a good Monday everybody.

Lee

February 18th, 2013
8:35 am

Personally, I don’t think this education credit goes far enough. If a parent decides to pull his child out of public school and enroll them in private, the state saves $7k-10k, depending on whose figures you use. Why not allow the parent a tax credit for that amount. The schools would still be getting the property tax portion.

But no, the poor, urban minority is the goose that lays the golden egg for the politically correct. They can do all things and get legislation passed as long as it benefits poor blacks. Lord forbid if a middle class white taxpayer catches a break every now and then.

GT

February 18th, 2013
8:36 am

There is no way to defend the program or about any program endorsed by this state, when you look at the end product compared to other states. The right needs to turn the same criticism they have with big government onto themselves in the “thank God for Mississippi, or we would look bad” states that are failures with a capital F.

Our agenda needs to mature to a level of caring instead of hating. It can start with honesty. A lot of people are liberal in their describing of themselves and insensitive in viewing others.

Doggone/GA

February 18th, 2013
8:36 am

“Why does everybody get so bent out of shape anytime someone that isn’t low income can keep more of their own money”

I someone spends $3,000 on private school education, and gets a dollar-for-dollare tax credit….then, yes, THEY get to “keep more of their money” and it is MY MONEY that has paid the tuition for their child.

I prefer MY money go to help disadvantage children…not the pampered, spoiled children of someone who can ALREADY AFFORD to pay that tuition.

Ronald Reagan Parkway

February 18th, 2013
8:39 am

But no, the poor, urban minority is the goose that lays the golden egg for the politically correct. They can do all things and get legislation passed as long as it benefits poor blacks. Lord forbid if a middle class white taxpayer catches a break every now and then.

_____

What about the poor Whites in the trailer parks in the rural communities? The suffer and do not benefit the same as the urban Blacks.

AmericaShrugged

February 18th, 2013
8:39 am

Why do libs hate democracy and equality? That’s all this is. Is anyone breaking the law? No. Are all students, regardless of race, religion or finanical status benefitting? Yes. Needs testing is a mechanism ensuring discrimination. Socialists, like Bookman, believe the role of government is to confiscate from the successful and re-distribute to the losers. This is not only poor utilization of resources, it is fundamentally unjust.
Neither cast ye your pearls before swine!

Peadawg

February 18th, 2013
8:39 am

Doggone/GA
February 18th, 2013
8:36 am

AMEN!!

Doggone/GA

February 18th, 2013
8:41 am

“Why do libs hate democracy and equality?”

When you have to LIE to make your point…you have no poiint

Aquagirl

February 18th, 2013
8:41 am

Lord forbid if a middle class white taxpayer catches a break every now and then.

Let’s have a big hand for Lee! At least one of our cons had the b@lls to admit this program has nothing to do with the chiiiiiiildren, it’s about redistributing income to middle-class white adults.

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 18th, 2013
8:41 am

Arete and GOAL freely CHOSE and VOLUNTARILY used scholarship money the way that they wanted.
Other schools CHOSE not to discriminate against rich kids.
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That’s just not good enough for a Prog.
Somewhere…somehow……there is a rich kid escaping a government school and……….by God…………….the State MUST use its iron fist to control.
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Because that’s what its all about.
Control.
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It makes Progressives sleep better at night.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 18th, 2013
8:42 am

…confiscate from the successful and re-distribute to the losers.

Haliburton says, “What?”

Mr_B

February 18th, 2013
8:43 am

“billions lost every year from irs fraud..
billions lost every year from medicaid fraud..
billions lost every year from medicaid fraud.
millions lost every year from wic fraud..

but lets focus on this..”

Some of us can multi-task.

GT

February 18th, 2013
8:47 am

Ronald Reagan Parkway poor whites in trailer parks and rural areas vote Republican. They are the heart of the Republican Party, vote wise. Maybe it is time for them to demand a little more punch for their vote instead of siding with the manipulating upper class, just for the pleasure of seeing the minorities suffer.

kayaker 71

February 18th, 2013
8:47 am

Here we go again. I found, when I talked with the people at GOAL, that they were very helpful with answers to my questions. If transparency is an issue, I certainly didn’t find that with my conversations with them. They confirmed that the cap on HH income was 92K/yr. Anyone whose family was higher than that was not considered eligible for the program and for any recipient, the annual amount received from the program could not be more than had been spent in public school for their education.
The average GOAL scholarship assistance went to households making 44.6K/yr. Over 72% of all GOAL scholarships went to households with HH income of 60K or less. Only 16% of all GOAL scholarships went to families making up to a max of 92K/yr. It that is not means testing, I am at a loss of what that means. And now, with recipients of aid not being designated, I am not sure how more fair a program could be. Perhaps it is because some Republican in the Georgia Assembly put his stamp on it. If you would like to find out more and talk to the actual people that run the program for confirmation of the above, call 1-770-828-4625. My comments are limited to the GOAL program only, not any of the rest.

Granny Godzilla

February 18th, 2013
8:47 am

“urban minority is the goose that lays the golden egg”

some folks are hard boiled

some are seriously scrambled

Ronald Reagan Parkway

February 18th, 2013
8:50 am

GT

February 18th, 2013
8:47 am

I agree with you 100%. When a person goes to the grocery store or purchase anything, the price will not change just because you look different than the next person. We are all in this together!!

Moderate Line

February 18th, 2013
8:51 am

Unlike tuition-tax credits in most other states, Georgia makes no attempt to limit the scholarships to children in failing public schools or to low-income children.
Not sure why I should care. As a tax payer if $10,000 is given to a public school vs a private school the only thing that matters to me is the kids is going to get the best education.

What is a economically comfortable students? Really you mean kids who have parents who can afford to send them to private schools. The US has one of lowest rankings of any industrialize country for social mobility and I think one of the main reasons is that a students fate is largely due to finances of his parents. Rich people can send their kids to private schools or can move to a good school district. Poor people don’t have the option.

The motivation of the people who are behind private vouchers is not really important to me. The end result is what matters. Do I really care whether my tax dollars go to a private school or a public school? Do I care when my tax dollars go to a private hospital or a public hospital?

In the middle

February 18th, 2013
8:53 am

Doggone/GA – I don’t quite understand your point. Are you saying that when people keep their own money that somehow takes money out of your pocket. I would like to see the math on that.

indigo

February 18th, 2013
8:53 am

This program seems to be aimed at middle and upper-middle Christian fundamentalist families who ALWAYS vote Republican and want schools that teach the following:

1. The Earth is 6,000 years old.
2. Humans and dinosaurs walked together.
3. Science is just opinion and not fact.
4. Evolution and astronomy are liberal tools of the Devil.
5. The New Testament is the proven word of God.

The more such schools there are in Georgia, the better it is for Republican politicians. So, you may be sure they will do anything and everything to get as many such schools as possible.

And, if they have to lie and cheat to do this, that’s ok because for them, getting elected and re-elected is ALL that matters.

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 18th, 2013
8:54 am

I challenge them to look into the eyes of those parents and children and convince them that they really need to go back to the schools that were failing,” he told his fellow legislators.
Rep. Earl Ehrhart, R-Marietta.
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Hey Statist sh&t For Brains………..I challenge YOU to put your kids in the worst school in Southwest Atlanta……………knowing that IF YOU DON’T…………….the state will come and arrest YOU.
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That is what thousands of parents are facing now.
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The answer is simple.
Do away with FORCED State-indoctrination/education………………………period.

Doggone/GA

February 18th, 2013
8:54 am

“the price will not change just because you look different than the next person”

But neither will you get a tax credit that pays the full cost of what you purchase

gadem also known as Benghazi

February 18th, 2013
8:55 am

Did someone say Benghazi?!?!?!?!

In the middle

February 18th, 2013
8:56 am

Did someone say Benghazi?!?!?!?! – “Hung up on an issue” move on. This is dead…

RB from Gwinnett

February 18th, 2013
8:57 am

fedup, “I am a small businessman and do not cheat people and I am not wealth envy. Thought get this out of the way.”

But all the other business owner are crooked cheats, right fedup? It’s just honest little you who follows the rules and pays your taxes… Geez….

GT

February 18th, 2013
8:58 am

AmericaShrugged why does the right gerrymander and filibuster when they are heading into the wind of public will. What is democratic about a dirty old casino owner, Jewish man in Las Vegas trying to buy a right wing “Christian” party for his own agenda which on the surface would seem not to be the same as the party advertised.

One thing you can say about Democrats you get what you pay for, not true with the right. If the right truly believes in God and not money, they are fooling a lot of us, but I am sure not Him.

Ronald Reagan Parkway

February 18th, 2013
8:58 am

But neither will you get a tax credit that pays the full cost of what you purchase

_____

This is true also. No matter what race you are, one particular race is not the blame for the state of Georgia’s economic conditions. We elect individuals that have their own personal agendas!

Doggone/GA

February 18th, 2013
8:59 am

“I don’t quite understand your point. Are you saying that when people keep their own money that somehow takes money out of your pocket.”

Easy. Parent pays $3,000 for tuition. Parent files taxes and gets a $3,000 tax credit that lowers their taxes by $3,000.

Now think about it…where did thte $3,000 that went to the school ACTUAL COME FROM? Not from the parent – since it was basically “refunded” to them via the tax credit. It came from people like ME who have no children and cannot claim that tax credit, or from people who choose to keep their children in public school and likewise get no tax credit.

It’s basic math: $3,000 spent. $3,000 refunded. Total amount spend = ZERO..

Soothsayer

February 18th, 2013
9:00 am

kayaker 71

February 18th, 2013
9:01 am

And no comments from our esteemed blog master about Je$$ie Jackson, Jr. Over 750K spent on hotels, eateries and trips with his mistress, including a 40K Rolex. And Ms Jackson, indicted on tax charges and will probably spend some hard time along with her hubby. He shouldn’t worry, however. The people of his district will re-elect him after he gets out of the slammer. Cold Cash Jefferson and Marion Barry, now Je$$ie, Jr. And the beat goes on.

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 18th, 2013
9:02 am

And as an addendum————Rep. Earl Ehrhart, R-Marietta. should also be forced to eat the Big-Agri-Politically-connected surplus geneticaly modified gruel that are slopped to the students each day.
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Child abuse…………………….institutionalized.

In the middle

February 18th, 2013
9:02 am

Let’s assume for a minute. That education is to benefit our children and not just another “I hate republicans” excuse for the left. If the goal is to advance the academic standards of the kids, who cares which school they go to as long as they are getting an education. The tax credit issue is just another excuse for class warfare. If you really cared about education above “hating those that have a differant opinion” than you would focus on the failing school boards. If the school suck, chances are, so does the local leadership.

GT

February 18th, 2013
9:03 am

Ronald Reagan Parkway we are all in this together and when we decide that we respect each other we will stop this free fall to the bottom our state has been in for over 100 years. Leaders should lead not encourage failure for their own agendas.

independent thinker

February 18th, 2013
9:03 am

I thought the state government was broke- where’s the $80 billion dollars coming from -Obama? Oh I forgot this is a stupid party program to help undermine public schools- a top priority,

Brosephus™

February 18th, 2013
9:04 am

But no, the poor, urban minority is the goose that lays the golden egg for the politically correct. They can do all things and get legislation passed as long as it benefits poor blacks. Lord forbid if a middle class white taxpayer catches a break every now and then.

Yep, I distinctly remember Georgia Republicans attending every single NAACP meeting, community meeting, and every other organized gathering of Blacks across the state while they were touting this plan. ?..

Oh wait, nevermind….

Laying blame on the Knee Groes is sooooo last year.

:roll:

independent thinker

February 18th, 2013
9:04 am

Sorry-$80 million dollars.

Ronald Reagan Parkway

February 18th, 2013
9:04 am

kayaker 71

February 18th, 2013
9:01 am

Who cares? That did not happen in Georgia and it was not the money of Georgia taxpayers! I thought that we were on the topic of Georgia!!

Soothsayer

February 18th, 2013
9:06 am

Granny Godzilla

February 18th, 2013
9:06 am

Sooth

I’m old enough to remember Ike and Arnie on the links…..

Doggone/GA

February 18th, 2013
9:06 am

“And no comments from our esteemed blog master about Je$$ie Jackson, Jr”

blogspot.com is ready when you are

josef

February 18th, 2013
9:07 am

Oh, do I have things to say here! Here I sit celebrating “President’s Day” on furlough courtesy the mismanagement of the three-toed cretins mucking about in “education.” Needless to say, I’m not in the most “supportive” moods today.

GT

There you go again, showing your amazing ignorance and prejudice taking your swipe at Mississippi. You might want to check out some of what’s been going on in the schoolhouses over that way. In less than a decade they have “fallen” from that number 50 to number 45, their illiteracy rate has dropped to the mid levels and less than several more “advanced” states such as New York and California. Even the old curmudgeon “reformer” Michelle Rhee’s organization gave them a passing grade, one of only 8 given in the nation.

And what did Mississippi do? Quietly and with no fanfare took stock of the situation and rolled up their sleeves and went to work addressing the situation rather than sitting around carping about what “they” ought to be doing. The first thing they did was to make sure every classroom in the state was on-line, the first in the country to be able to make that “boast.”

GT

February 18th, 2013
9:07 am

kayaker 71 Chicago is a level playing field for crooks. The last two white govenors went to jail too.

What they do there, we don’t do here is lock the crook up. Here they just run for another term using their stolen money.

Doggone/GA

February 18th, 2013
9:07 am

“who cares which school they go to as long as they are getting an education”

Presumably, their parent do. But the issue IS NOT which school they go to. The issue, since you appear to have missed it entirely, is WHO PAYS for that school.

Ronald Reagan Parkway

February 18th, 2013
9:07 am

GT

February 18th, 2013
9:03 am

You are right and a blind man can see this!! Thanks for the feedback!!

RB from Gwinnett

February 18th, 2013
9:08 am

“Easy. Parent pays $3,000 for tuition. Parent files taxes and gets a $3,000 tax credit that lowers their taxes by $3,000.”

Wouldn’t that only reduce your taxable income by $3,000 and not your actual taxes paid?

Goody Three Shoes

February 18th, 2013
9:08 am

Kayaker

Do white Republicans ever break the law?

Maybe it was merely coincidence that you just mentioned black Democrats.

I’m not defending the crooks you mentioned, but do find it strange the names you picked by mere coincidence.

Brosephus™

February 18th, 2013
9:09 am

RR Parkway

Doesn’t matter where it happened. Kayaker is going to point out the failings and shortcomings of Knee Groes around the world. If they would act as if they’ve come down from the trees, he wouldn’t have to do so.

kayaker 71

February 18th, 2013
9:10 am

Ronald Reagan Parkway, 9:04,

Who cares? Certainly not the liberal media who put this story on the back of page 17. If that had happened with a white Georgia congressman/woman, Bookman would break his arm getting to his computer to point out how crooked those evil white Republicans in the Georgia Assembly are. The ironic thing about it all…… the people of his district don’t seem to care. Where does that take you?

In the middle

February 18th, 2013
9:10 am

We all pay for schools. Even those that don’t have any children in the school system. Quit playing the envy game, focus on the real issue and not the easy distraction of conjecture.

I suppose I should be all upset because “I am paying for your childs education”.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 18th, 2013
9:11 am

If they would act as if they’ve come down from the trees, he wouldn’t have to do so.

:lol: :shock: :lol: :shock: :lol:

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 18th, 2013
9:12 am

Quit playing the envy game…

And there’s your sign.

In the middle

February 18th, 2013
9:14 am

JamVet

February 18th, 2013
9:15 am

GT, AShrugged and his fellow McCarthyites are exactly why the right wing in this country is dying on the vine.

Ultimately, their issues with “confiscation” (how childish is that term?) prove exactly who are the would-be mooches in this country.

As far as this issue of vouchers, the right wing’s enormous problems vis a vis social issues go back to the Civil Rights movement. The one that they vehemently opposed.

And based on their current racial make up and the racist code words (blacks are lazy and stupid and still on the plantation) that predominate right wing ideology and speeches, apparently still do.

I give the segregationist neocons another decade, tops, before they become America’s permanent political minority movement…

Brosephus™

February 18th, 2013
9:16 am

Kamchak

I’m feeling the effects of an hour long 3am stroll getting to know my daughter. My good manners might be in short supply today.

:)

Peadawg

February 18th, 2013
9:16 am

I suppose I should be all upset because “I am paying for your childs PRIVATE education”.

Fixed your typo, In the middle. If you can’t see the difference then bless your heart.

MiltonMan

February 18th, 2013
9:16 am

…and to think that the Georgia WIC program & all of its $297 million dollars was an issue. Thanks to the mismanagement of program taxpayers might be on the hook for a $20 million “penalty”

kayaker 71

February 18th, 2013
9:16 am

goody three shoes, 9:08,

“Do white Republicans ever break the law?.” Yeah, all the time. However most don’t get re-elected.

Ronald Reagan Parkway

February 18th, 2013
9:18 am

kayaker 71,
If I decide to move to Chicago, I will be very concerned. Until then, I only care about where I actually cast my vote.

td

February 18th, 2013
9:18 am

It seems to me that what the progressives are saying here is that scholarships should be like welfare and just another redistribution of wealth or as our President says “social justice”.

Education scholarships and the Hope should go the best and the brightest period. The ones that work the hardest, take the hardest coarse load, make the best grades and score highest on standardized test should be rewarded the most. When the money runs out then the rest will be held responsible for their actions.

GT

February 18th, 2013
9:19 am

josef be careful you don’t mistake Mississippi for Massachusetts.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

February 18th, 2013
9:19 am

skipper

February 18th, 2013
9:20 am

As an independant, I gotta go temporarily extreme in this one. Lying, cheating, and stealing should ALL be excused as opposed to being in a crappy school system.

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

February 18th, 2013
9:20 am

What about the poor Whites in the trailer parks in the rural communities? The suffer and do not benefit the same as the urban Blacks.

That is where most of the entitlements in this country go.

Your biggest takers are your red states.

Moochers

Aquagirl

February 18th, 2013
9:21 am

Wouldn’t that only reduce your taxable income by $3,000 and not your actual taxes paid?

No, a tax credit is a deduction on the amount of taxes owed, not taxable income.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 18th, 2013
9:21 am

Yep Milty…. your state GOP government at work!

josef

February 18th, 2013
9:21 am

GT

Say what? I doubt I’d ever make that mistake! :-)

Goody Three Shoes

February 18th, 2013
9:21 am

Jefferson was reelected?

JJ Jr was indicted before the last election?

Seems Berry is the only one that truly fits your characterization.

Doggone/GA

February 18th, 2013
9:21 am

“Wouldn’t that only reduce your taxable income by $3,000 and not your actual taxes paid?”

No.

A tax deduction decreases your taxable income
A tax credit reduces the taxes you pay

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

February 18th, 2013
9:21 am

“Do white Republicans ever break the law?.” Yeah, all the time. However most don’t get re-elected.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

First nominee for post of the day.

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 18th, 2013
9:22 am

Read THIS .
And think about it.
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From an official .gov site/crap.
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Program objective

To provide a nutritious, well-balanced lunch for children in order to promote sound eating habits, to foster good health and academic achievement and to reinforce the nutrition education taught in the classroom. A school lunch will provide 1/3 of the Recommended Dietary Allowances for lunch and be consistent with the Dietary Guidelines for Americans and caloric goals.
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http://www.nj.gov/agriculture/divisions/fn/childadult/school_lunch.html
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ONE THIRD.
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keep-em hungry.
They make better progs.

Doggone/GA

February 18th, 2013
9:22 am

“I suppose I should be all upset because “I am paying for your childs education”.”

Nope, you should be all upset because “I am paying for you childs education, and YOU ARE NOTE, EVEN THOUGH YOU CAN AFFORD IT”