Do GOP problems presage an end to the two-party system?

Ron Fournier, a well-respected editor and political writer at The National Journal, reports that Republican insiders are deeply worried about a potential split in their party, likely led by a third-party presidential bid come 2016.

“Between bites of an $18.95 SteakBurger at the Palm, one of Washington’s premier expense-account restaurants, Republican consultant Scott Reed summed up the state of politics and his beloved GOP. “The party,” he told me, “is irrelevant.”

He cited the familiar litany of problems: demographic change, poor candidates, ideological rigidity, deplorable approval ratings, and a rift between social and economic conservatives.

“It’s leading to some type of crash and reassessment and change,” said Reed, who ran Bob Dole’s 1996 presidential campaign and remains an influential lobbyist and operative. “It can’t continue on this path.”

Sen. Rand Paul (AP)

Sen. Rand Paul (AP)

As the piece suggests, technological change has lowered or in some cases removed many of the obstacles to the rise of multiple parties. With the Internet and social media, as well as independent fund-raising committees, you no longer need the structure of a traditional political party to raise money, spread your message or even organize your followers.

A third-party candidate — say, Rand Paul, who delivered the Tea Party rebuttal Tuesday night — could draw from disaffected Democrats as well. The Republicans are in disarray, but polls show that voters are not exactly thrilled with the opposition either.

Personally, I think the rise of a third-party presidential candidate in 2016 is entirely plausible. The conditions for such a run haven’t been more promising in a long time. However, the Fournier piece goes on to suggest that “social change and a disillusioned electorate threaten the entire two-party system,” and I’m much more dubious about that proposition.

I am fully aware of the paradigm-busting power of modern technology. Nobody who has survived in the newspaper business in the last 20 years would question that. However, I still believe that the institutional biases in the system — some of them embedded in the Constitution, others in federal and state laws, such as Georgia’s difficult ballot-access laws — dictate the existence of a two-party system.

History tells us that third parties come and they usually go; on rare occasions, they stick around and eventually replace one of its predecessors. The time may indeed be ripe for one of those periodic upheavals.

However, once the smoke clears and the system stabilizes, it will revert to its traditional bipolar, two-party nature.

– Jay Bookman

302 comments Add your comment

Fred ™

February 14th, 2013
8:14 am

I hope not. We need them at least a SANE them to be a check against untethered liberalism.

Fred ™

February 14th, 2013
8:17 am

The Libertarian party was really starting to gain some momentum until Harry Browne died and Boortz got paid off by the Republicans to dump them. Now they are just a bunch of disjointed losers whose main thrust is legalizing drugs………..

Brosephus™

February 14th, 2013
8:27 am

Jay

I think that, with the technology advances, once the two-party stranglehold is broken, we won’t revert back. The younger generations are not tied to party loyalty like older people are. I can see laws, such as Georgia’s, changing in the future as my generation begins to take the reins.

We don’t have time for such petty sh*t, and party politics is about as petty as things get. If it were not for the fact that I didn’t want people in my personal business, I’d put forth a candidacy here just to show how technology can be used to defeat the party aparatus. That day is almost upon us, and the dumbass party sheep don’t have a clue.

TaxPayer

February 14th, 2013
8:30 am

I see nothing wrong with the tea party tools going their own way by becoming the new order of the libertarians. I’m sure the Koch boys and a few others would be more than happy to keep them adequately funded in exchange for their loyalty.

Steve

February 14th, 2013
8:33 am

I’d love to see the GOP devolve into separate crazier entities, which would take conservatives into irrelevancy for a very long time.

hamiltonAZ

February 14th, 2013
8:33 am

There have always been factions within parties to varying degrees. It is very unlikely that a third party can win at the general election, but we are already seeing sub-branding within the Republican party – e.g., “tea party republican.” This is a trend that will continue to grow and these sub-groups will have to cobble together coalitions to gain a majority with the party. What is different now that wasn’t true before the 2012 election is that the purely economic conservative faction is beginning to shed some of its previous fear about disassociating from the tea party faction (that has inextricably intertwined economic and social issues) It will be interesting to see whether this new courage (or tactic, if you will) will succeed in a coalition between independents, moderate republicans and the economic republican pragmatists.

Fly-On-The-Wall

February 14th, 2013
8:34 am

The two party system will survive but like you say, it maybe one of those transformational moments where the old party leaves and a new one takes is place.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 14th, 2013
8:36 am

We need another Ross Perot! :D Probably one of the better efforts at mounting a credible 3d party challenge.

Doggone/GA

February 14th, 2013
8:39 am

The only difference between a 2 party system and multi-party system is that in a 2 party system compromises are made before an election. In a multi-party system compromises are made after an election.

But when it come right down to it there are only, ever, 2 parties: those who vote yes on a bill and those who vote no

UNCLE SAMANTHA

February 14th, 2013
8:39 am

well said Brosephus………..

AJC has an article about the head of Social Security blasting both parties for their neglect of the program

LIBERALS SHOULD BE ASHAMED BUT AREN’T…… THEIR HEADS ARE TOO FAR BURIED OR STUCK UP PLACES

WASHINGTON —
Outgoing Social Security Commissioner Michael J. Astrue has some parting shots for Congress, the White House and advocates for seniors. They have all “really walked away from Social Security,” he says, leaving the program “fraying because of inattention to its problems.”

Instead of making the hard choices to fix Social Security’s financial problems, policymakers “use it as a tool of political rhetoric,” Astrue said.

http://www.ajc.com/ap/ap/top-news/social-security-head-program-fraying-from-neglect/nWPBC/

and the fact that neither party endorsed the Simpson-Bowles recommendations even though both KNOW they will have to do them at some point

Third Party will not just be Republicans but also disatisfied Democrats, Independents…….. plus a LARGE resevoir of citizens who are unengaged in politics and voting and choose not to get in the mix……

Fly-On-The-Wall

February 14th, 2013
8:40 am

I was going to make a statement about how not having the two party system would be bad because we’d end up like many of the parlimentarian systems where they have grid-lock because of how they have to cobble together coalitions to govern….nevermind, we’re there.

Bud Wiser

February 14th, 2013
8:40 am

You’re dreamin’, Bookman.

It’s the dems that should be worried. Obama’s unknown gun law changes will be putting blue-dogs on the coals in 2014 if they are stupid enough to back a lame-duck.

Add the economy on the rocks, and the dems are a very unhappy lot going to next year’s mid-terms. Oh, and BTW, I noticed your own rag had this on front page: Economy better, but less driving even in Atlanta.

Just in case you missed it, the ATL’s unemployment rate for December ROSE from 8.0 to 8.4%; I guess that explains the less driving part, but hardly supports the ‘economy better’.

Third party split with that p*ss poor record? Like I said, dream on. Obama’s ideas of economic recovery are putting more people on the unemployed/govt assist/vote for a standard of living/low-brain/low brow voters list.

He cares nothing about anyone like me or you Bookman, except in the way he can and does manipulate media stooges, slobbering to carry his bedpan message all across Amerika.

Doggone/GA

February 14th, 2013
8:40 am

“where the old party leaves and a new one takes is place.”

But the people remain the same

UNCLE SAMANTHA

February 14th, 2013
8:42 am

REPUBLICANS SHOULD BE ASHAMED THAT THEY HAVE BOUGHT THE TAX CUT B.S. ………. HOOK LINE AND SINKER……………

MIDDLE CLASS PROSPERITY DOES NOT DEPEND ON THE 1% GETTING TAX CUTS………. THEY HAVE OVER THE PAST 30 YEARS YET MIDDLE CLASS STANDARD OF LIVING HAS STAGNATED OR DECLINED

bring on the 3rd party

it will bring down BOTH parties

TaxPayer

February 14th, 2013
8:44 am

Third Party will not just be Republicans but also disatisfied Democrats, Independents…….. plus a LARGE resevoir of citizens who are unengaged in politics and voting and choose not to get in the mix……

And u has some reelly cool unskewed polling data to shows us too.

TBone

February 14th, 2013
8:46 am

Despite your wishes, I think the untimely demise of the GOP is greatly being exaggerated. Poll after pol indicate the majority of the country is more conservative than not while the left keeps going lefter.

indigo

February 14th, 2013
8:47 am

Jay, I suggested here, some time ago, that we were headed for a third party.

If I remember correctly, you dismissed me, with a hint of ridicule.

American Christian & Patriot!

February 14th, 2013
8:47 am

And that 3rd party will be the Tea Party! The future is now. Join the Party and support True American and True Patriotic Values.

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

February 14th, 2013
8:47 am

It’s not too hard to imagine a GOP split so severe that it would become a party of Religious Right, much like the Muslim Brotherhood in the Middle east, a party much like like the Eisenhower Party, more moderate and center based, along with the so called Tea Party which would still be around with its radical base, and you might throw in, for a lack of a better word, the Anarchist Party, wanting little or no government at all. It would look like some of the European Parliamentary situations you see now. It WOULD be interesting… :)

JohnnyReb

February 14th, 2013
8:47 am

Please allow me to remind my Moonbat blogger friends here that some of you suffer from dillusion on just how strong was Obama’s win and in turn put forth positions that you believe are majority which are not.

Yes, Obama won. Yes, he won with 51 or so percent. Yes Jay, he is the first to win with 51% twice, etc.

However, he won with about 4 and half million votes. A huge number wanted him out. To believe the liberal position is a majority is kidding yourself just like me believing conservatives are the majority.

My point being, the Democratic Party is a coalition of special causes. You fight among yourselves, currently unions against tree huggers over the pipeline.

There is no reason Republicans cannnot win with various groups having different positions, for example social and economic.

The coming mid-term will tell the tell. If it turns out like the last mid-term, Obama, his and your agenda will be sent to the corner.

hamiltonAZ

February 14th, 2013
8:48 am

Admittedly, this whole conversation recalls the Rovian (as in Karl) attitude in the Bush years when he talked about a permanent Republican majority. Many of us have been around long enough to know that the party in power (because we are human with frailties) will eventually find a way to get fired by the people. But today as we read of improving economies and renewed hope that the rest of us might actually see economic prosperity in our lifetime, that our children will have access to health insurance and hopefully, they’ll lead lives that will mimimize the need to use it – I link to an interesting thought.
Everything’s amazing and nobody’s happy.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8m5d0_everything-is-amazing-and-nobody-i_fun#.URzpkmt5mSM

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

February 14th, 2013
8:49 am

“Join the Party and support True American and True Patriotic Values.”

Nah! I don’t like tea…now if you called it the Coffee Party…

USinUK - former Girl Scout

February 14th, 2013
8:50 am

meh.

they’ve been saying that about the GOP ever since the religious whack jobs took over the party – that the “moderates” would split off because no one would want to be affiliated with them anymore.

no one will EVER splinter off from a main party because the $$$ just won’t be there for them to win elections.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

February 14th, 2013
8:50 am

3rd Party will be based on TAX REFORM

not CUTS
not INCREASES

TAX REFORM- flat progressive total income tax

will get rid of half the lawyers and lobbyists in Washington

F. Sinkwich

February 14th, 2013
8:51 am

“However, once the smoke clears and the system stabilizes, it will revert to its traditional bipolar, two-party nature.”

I agree.

Conservatives are waxing while RINOs are waning.

It’s all good.

USinUK - former Girl Scout

February 14th, 2013
8:51 am

” A huge number wanted him out”

I love that reasoning. “a huge number wanted him out”, so therefore, neither he nor the democrats are legitimate.

sorry, buddy, but close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

a win is a win.

RB from Gwinnett

February 14th, 2013
8:52 am

I see Obama is going to be in town today to roll out his free daycare for poor people plan under the guise of it being about education. Let’s just take the kids straight from labor and delivery to the pre-pre-pre-pre K school and start “educating” them and get it over with.

Simple Truths

February 14th, 2013
8:52 am

“it will revert to its traditional bipolar, two-party nature”

Well, it sure has been acting bipolar over the last few decades.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 14th, 2013
8:52 am

However, he won with about 4 and half million votes. A huge number wanted him out.

He won with the GOP introducing laws in an number of states to discourage voting. Over 200000 voters in FL gave up because of long lines. Early voting was discouraged in a number of states, time shorted. But you go ahead and try to claim that it does not represent the rejection of the GOP position that it does. We understand that your Narnia is rather dark.

USinUK - former Girl Scout

February 14th, 2013
8:52 am

“Conservatives are waxing while RINOs are waning.”

:lol:

yep

you keep on that path, buddy, and we’ll keep winning elections all day long.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 14th, 2013
8:52 am

Well, I sure hope your Valentine’s Day is going better than mine. I expect my problem is the missus never liked the Valentine present I got her. I had a choice between flowers and a almost new vacuum cleaner so I took the vacuum cleaner and replaced a couple bearings. Heck, flowers get throwed out after a couple days anyway but she can have the vacuum cleaner for a long time. I got her a mushy card and give her the vacuum cleaner this morning and she never hardly said anything about it. When I told her I was leaving for work she barely even grunted. Women! I’ll never understand them!

I don’t know about you, but I’m all for a third party run for President. The Republicans are too librul now. They’re for this Civil Rights junk and everything. We need a real Conservative to run. This Rand Paul looks like a good one but I expect he has a librul streak too.

Have a good day everybody—at least a better day than I’m having.

kayaker 71

February 14th, 2013
8:53 am

Who is to say that the sheep that voted for Bozo in November have any concern about the state of the economy in this country? We still have 8% and over unemployment and it doesn’t seem to matter. Bozo tells one lie after another and all of those Twitter afflicted robots could care less. So what if he tells lies, demonizes the very people who are paying the bills in this country….. that’s OK because our hero is “cool” and just trying to be “fair”. But we can’t criticize him because some liberal “journalist” will say that’s raaaaaaaaacist. He gets a free ride from the media and 52% of the American electorate who votes for him anyway. Damn.

American Christian & Patriot!

February 14th, 2013
8:54 am

“Nah! I don’t like tea…”

But do you love America and Jesus?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 14th, 2013
8:54 am

Let’s just take the kids straight from labor and delivery to the pre-pre-pre-pre K school and start “educating” them and get it over with.

Well if it works, all for it. Sort of like playing music to the womb. Not everyone wants to be some dumb hick from Gwinnett. :D

JohnnyReb

February 14th, 2013
8:55 am

You can take a horse to water……

Here’s something to ponder – enough current Dem senate seats for us to take the majority are up for election in states that Romney carried. No, I don’t have a link.

Steve

February 14th, 2013
8:58 am

I love reading the posts here from conservatives proclaiming this and that and skewing statitistics. The very same people who were 100% convinced Romney would win handily. Love it.

Stevie Ray the freshly minted bleeding heart liberal!

February 14th, 2013
8:58 am

JAY

Couldn’t agree more. The drawback for all of us of the tech reality, is that it allows incumbents to avoid tough questions from traditional media. Obama and his team have been carrying out this policy with great success. The less difficult questions the better for Jay Carney to respond..

stands for decibels

February 14th, 2013
8:58 am

disjointed losers whose main thrust is legalizing drugs…

uh… huh huh… he said “joint.”

USinUK - former Girl Scout

February 14th, 2013
8:58 am

yak – do you ever tire of the voices in your head? I’m sure there are medications out there if you just ask for help.

Stevie Ray the freshly minted bleeding heart liberal!

February 14th, 2013
8:59 am

JAY

I meant that the more challenging tough questions asked by folks like you are relegated to the likes of Jay Carney who has more than one dance mastered.

F. Sinkwich

February 14th, 2013
8:59 am

Well, at least O’bozo is visiting the best functioning and most respected school district in the state.

Bwaahahahahahahaha

Vet

February 14th, 2013
9:00 am

Now that’s funn Jay! Two years from now the Senate may be have a Republican majority because the economy continues to go down the drain.

stands for decibels

February 14th, 2013
9:00 am

Conservatives are waxing

That’s not what the guy who slept with Christine O’Donnell reported.

[slapping own wrist.]

Stevie Ray the freshly minted bleeding heart liberal!

February 14th, 2013
9:02 am

kayaker 71

February 14th, 2013
8:53 am

Agree with all your commentary except I do think the tenuous state of the economy is a concern for all..to the extent they pay attention. A mother of 3 trying to raise a family on 14K per year and whose job may be threatened by increase in minimum wage should certainly care.

IMO, the minimum wage should not be increased at this time but an increase in earned tax credit will work..I think.

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 14th, 2013
9:03 am

The Real Movement that the State mouthpiece MSM refuses to see is called the Liberty Movement and it’s subsequent Non-aggression pact, peace, and basic decency.
And it’s happening world-wide.
.
Sad to say, Washington is the only entity standing in the way of a brighter future.
.
But the good guys always win in the end and the rotten federale thugs that eminate out of this District of Crooks will only be a bad memory.
.
Forward Freedom.

curious

February 14th, 2013
9:05 am

kayaker 71
“Who is to say that the sheep that voted for Bozo in November have any concern about the state of the economy in this country?”

I voted for Obama twice and have concern about the Country in all areas. Based on comments you post showing total disrespect for the President, I suspect you’re the one with no concern about the Country.

Stevie Ray the freshly minted bleeding heart liberal!

February 14th, 2013
9:07 am

UNCLE SAMANTHA

February 14th, 2013
8:42 am

Third party sounds great but it won’t happen anytime soon..at least not successfully and the impact will be no different than years prior. All a third party candidate does is take votes away from the party he/she most relates..

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

February 14th, 2013
9:07 am

“But do you love America and Jesus?”

America? Yes. Jesus? Not so much…

USinUK - former Girl Scout

February 14th, 2013
9:07 am

“That’s not what the guy who slept with Christine O’Donnell reported.”

eeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwww

kayaker 71

February 14th, 2013
9:07 am

Yeah, Bozo’s victory last November surprised a lot of people, yours truly being at the top of the list. It was just hard to believe that the American electorate had been duped to this degree. Someone who campaigns most to the time instead of leading, someone who panders to the less intelligent and less informed by government rewards for their loyalty and someone who continually lies to cover his backside, all of the time bullying those who disagree with him. Who would have thought that the American people could have stooped that low to give this clown a second term? I am much more worried about the future of this great country being controlled by this kind of electorate. Bozo, we can get rid of in four years….. no problem. But the electorate who put him there? They seem to be in it for the long haul.

HDB

February 14th, 2013
9:08 am

For many voters, there’s only ONE political party….since the GOP tends to IGNORE certain constituencies….and that mentality showed up in the last Presidential election!! The nation…and Georgia in particular… does need viable alternatives to the monopolitical system…alternatives that focuses on ALL constituencies, not just the limited focus we have today……..

USinUK - former Girl Scout

February 14th, 2013
9:09 am

poor yak

full of sound and fury

signifying nothing.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

February 14th, 2013
9:09 am

TAX PAYER

Record-High 40% of Americans Identify as Independents in ‘11
More Americans identify as Democrats than as Republicans, 31% to 27%
by Jeffrey M. JonesPRINCETON, NJ — The percentage of Americans identifying as political independents increased in 2011, as is common in a non-election year, although the 40% who did so is the highest Gallup has measured, by one percentage point. More Americans continue to identify as Democrats than as Republicans, 31% to 27%.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/151943/record-high-americans-identify-independents.aspx

Brosephus™

February 14th, 2013
9:09 am

USinner: no one will EVER splinter off from a main party because the $$$ just won’t be there for them to win elections.

I don’t think it will be a splintering off. What’s going to happen is that the younger people simply will not join or affiliate themselves with a party. I think it’s entirely possible to reach that age group through social media without having to spend the huge sums of money currently needed. Once you’re hip to technological advances, you can’t unlearn what you know. As the older generations die off, the changes will gradually happen. At least that’s how I see it.

And, Doggone’s right in that, regardless to the number of parties, it all boils down to being for or against whatever is being voted on.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

February 14th, 2013
9:10 am

jhunt163

February 14th, 2013
9:10 am

Also from the AJC Social Security article:

The trustees who oversee Social Security say the program’s trust funds will run dry in 2033, leaving Social Security with only enough revenue to pay about 75 percent of benefits. Already the program is paying out more in benefits than it collects in payroll taxes.

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

February 14th, 2013
9:10 am

“disjointed losers whose main thrust is legalizing drugs…”

…Then this is a Libertarian, right?

http://cheezburger.com/7057809664

USinUK - former Girl Scout

February 14th, 2013
9:12 am

Bro – ” I think it’s entirely possible to reach that age group through social media without having to spend the huge sums of money currently needed.”

Twitter and Facebook are powerful – no doubt – but you can’t win an election with ONLY the 20-30 demographic.

I do agree that more people are calling themselves independent, but they can only vote for the people on offer.

HDB

February 14th, 2013
9:12 am

“It was just hard to believe that the American electorate had been duped to this degree. Someone who campaigns most to the time instead of leading, someone who panders to the less intelligent and less informed by government rewards for their loyalty and someone who continually lies to cover his backside, all of the time bullying those who disagree with him.”

That sounds more like Mitt Romney to me…….he duped the GOP, campaigned for EIGHT YEARS, pandered to those whose intelligence can be called into question….and informed by the Koch Brothers….and lied about his assets……

Hope you didn’t fall for it……………..

curious

February 14th, 2013
9:12 am

Why not remove the salary cap on Social Security?

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think.

February 14th, 2013
9:13 am

kayaker 71

February 14th, 2013
9:07 am

And I submit that the American electorate became unduped for the first time.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

February 14th, 2013
9:13 am

the system is designed to NOT HAVE MANY VOTERS……… each party is better able to CONTROL their BASE……… both parties can maintain power with THEIR BASE

if they had to address the MIDDLE ……… they would not be able to maintain the power structure……and things would get solved….

St Simons - he-ne-ha

February 14th, 2013
9:13 am

what I can’t believe is – how this loose coalition of disparate interests
spawned from hell has stayed together THIS long, like 30+ yrs.
Imagine what the US and the world could have been now w/out neocons.

Brosephus™

February 14th, 2013
9:13 am

The trustees who oversee Social Security say the program’s trust funds will run dry in 2033, leaving Social Security with only enough revenue to pay about 75 percent of benefits. Already the program is paying out more in benefits than it collects in payroll taxes.

Simple solution…

Create jobs in America instead of China. Jobs created in China don’t pay OASDI whereas American jobs do.

TaxPayer

February 14th, 2013
9:14 am

kayaker,

Rand Paul is calling out to you. He needs you. Go to him.

F. Sinkwich

February 14th, 2013
9:14 am

“But the electorate who put him there? They seem to be in it for the long haul.”

And that, unfortunately, was my conclusion last November as well. “Free” stuff paid for by someone else is now the credo for a majority of voters.

RIP USA 1776-2012

комиссар (Occupation)

February 14th, 2013
9:14 am

“disjointed losers whose main thrust is legalizing drugs…”

Disjointed, as in separated from one’s marijuana?

UNCLE SAMANTHA

February 14th, 2013
9:15 am

curious

February 14th, 2013
9:12 am
Why not remove the salary cap on Social Security?

==================================================================

because it VIOLATES the PREMISE of BOTH PARTIES

republicans- you can’t raise taxes
democrats – you can’t touch social security

YET WE ALL KNOW ITS A VIABLE OPTION THAT IS INEVITABLE

USinUK - former Girl Scout

February 14th, 2013
9:16 am

“RIP USA 1776-2012″

you need help moving?

I’m happy to recommend the shipping company we used …

jd

February 14th, 2013
9:16 am

This challenge will inevitably occur. Why should tax dollars be used to support elections to choose party nominees? They should not… end the primaries and you will see the death of parties in the south. Then we can get about the business of governing instead of politicking

the dog

February 14th, 2013
9:16 am

Brosephus:
I don’t think it will be a splintering off. What’s going to happen is that the younger people simply will not join or affiliate themselves with a party

I totally disagree. Young voters experienced how republicans treat women in particular and want no part of the old people party.

mm

February 14th, 2013
9:17 am

” Poll after pol indicate the majority of the country is more conservative than not while the left keeps going lefter.”

Now that’s funny!

Brosephus™

February 14th, 2013
9:19 am

Twitter and Facebook are powerful – no doubt – but you can’t win an election with ONLY the 20-30 demographic.

You have to remember that the 20-30 demographic now will be the 30-40 demographic in two presidential election cycles. That’s why I said the change will be gradual. I’m nearing 40 now, and I don’t have a single friend, classmate, or anybody else my age who actually belongs to a party. We have our biases and preferences, but nobody’s out to join a party.

The candidates will begin to emerge as the older people die off or retire. It may sound harsh, but I personally wish they would retire now and save us all the time in waiting. I can’t understand or support someone who’s 60-70 years old and making decisions that I’ll have to work my ass off while they’ll get off by being worm food. No offense intended to older people, but someone who’s going to be dead in 10-20 years should not be making decisions that affect us 30-40 years down the road.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

February 14th, 2013
9:19 am

Stevie Ray the freshly minted bleeding heart liberal!

February 14th, 2013
9:07 am
UNCLE SAMANTHA

February 14th, 2013
8:42 am

Third party sounds great but it won’t happen anytime soon..at least not successfully and the impact will be no different than years prior. All a third party candidate does is take votes away from the party he/she most relates..

====================================================================

I AGREE

however………. within the next 10 years EVENTS will happen that will change that PARADIGM……… the BABY BOOMERS moving into retirement and the EXPANSION of SS and MEDICARE………….. it is a KNOWN TSUNAMI that BOTH PARTIES KNEW ABOUT AND HAVE DONE NOTHING

they will pay the price when we have painful and drastic decisions to make….. NEITHER PARTY WILL BE ABLE TO BLAME THE OTHER SINCE THEY HAVE BOTH BEEN IN POWER FOREVER

the dog

February 14th, 2013
9:19 am

Sinkie needs help moving his bowels. I think he would feel a whole lot better.

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 14th, 2013
9:20 am

Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am…I think.

February 14th, 2013
9:10 am

“disjointed losers whose main thrust is legalizing drugs…”

…Then this is a Libertarian, right?

http://cheezburger.com/7057809664
———————————————————————–
.
More and more Presstitutes are maligning the Libertarian Party.
This….my friend..(and the fear)…..is a good sign.
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And the true movement does NOT revolve around a party.
That is something that those who NEED and CRAVE a Federal father figure just…….do …not….understand.
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In the middle

February 14th, 2013
9:21 am

the dog – exactly how is it that all republicans treat woman. My wife would live to know.

East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)

February 14th, 2013
9:21 am

We could end up like many other countries with a 3 party system where nobody wins a majority and they have to form a coalition to get the majority needed to govern. And 6 months after an election, 2 of the 3 parties cannot come together so we have some sort of interim government. Good times for all.

Brosephus™

February 14th, 2013
9:21 am

I totally disagree. Young voters experienced how republicans treat women in particular and want no part of the old people party.

That doesn’t automatically make them run to join the Democratic Party either, does it? They may currently support the Dems, but all it takes is one screw up from the left, and the pendulum will swing the other direction. That’s what happens in an instant gratification society.

the dog

February 14th, 2013
9:21 am

I cannot be the only one WHO DOES NOT READ UNCLE SAM’S POSTS BUT AUTOMATICALLY SKIMS ON BY.

alittlecommonsense

February 14th, 2013
9:22 am

I think maybe a third party is the best way to save this country. It seems that a libertarian-like party could pick the fiscal conservatives out of both parties, and leave only the social conservatives in the Republican party. Maybe pick off enough Democrats who are only turned off by the social conservatism of the Republican party. I think it could be viable and leave only the big spender types in the Democrat party, and the big morals types in the Republican party.

Sadly, I’m not sure there are enough Democrats who are actually fiscally conservative to make that jump. It might just leave the big spender types fully in charge.

F. Sinkwich

February 14th, 2013
9:22 am

“I’m happy to recommend the shipping company we used …”

Would you please provide that information to the Yankees down here?

Thanks in advance.

USinUK - former Girl Scout

February 14th, 2013
9:22 am

Brocephus – wowsers – that’s tough talk!

I would no sooner tell my sweet dad (just turned 86) that he’s not entitled to vote after serving in 2 wars than I would tell him that he can no longer get barbecue at Sonnys (both have the potential to be equally lethal)

the dog

February 14th, 2013
9:23 am

in the middle-if your wife didn’t speak out about the transvaginal probes, rapes being heaven sent, etc. she is part of the problem. Or maybe you keep your wife barefoot, pregnant, and undeducated????

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

February 14th, 2013
9:23 am

I dont know if the Republican party will fade into history or not.

I do know this.

We would all be a lot better for it.

” Poll after pol indicate the majority of the country is more conservative than not while the left keeps going lefter.”

Anyone still saying this clearly isn’t paying attention. The country is moving to the left and fast.

Look at the polls done on young people regarding gay marriage or legalizing pot.

Its easy to see where that is headed and its a good thing.

USinUK - former Girl Scout

February 14th, 2013
9:24 am

FSink – “Would you please provide that information to the Yankees down here?”

:lol:

they brought good bread with them – I’ll give them that.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

February 14th, 2013
9:24 am

Brosephus™

February 14th, 2013
9:13 am
The trustees who oversee Social Security say the program’s trust funds will run dry in 2033, leaving Social Security with only enough revenue to pay about 75 percent of benefits. Already the program is paying out more in benefits than it collects in payroll taxes.

Simple solution…

Create jobs in America instead of China. Jobs created in China don’t pay OASDI whereas American jobs do.

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CORRECT!

Apple is the public and media darling yet they create 1 million jobs in CHINA!! Yet everyone fawns all over them……. the American consumer should punish them for this….

TOYOTA, HONDA, KIA, HUYNDAI, NISSAN……… all foreign cars but MADE IN AMERICA….. they understand that producing in the country you sell is a WIN – WIN

we need to start REWARDING this with our consumer decisons

NOT GOVT ACTION

alittlecommonsense

February 14th, 2013
9:25 am

“Young voters experienced how republicans treat women in particular and want no part of the old people party.”

Can you give me some idea of how Republicans treat women badly? Please – no talking points. It’s a real question that I would like to hear a well thought out answer to.

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

February 14th, 2013
9:25 am

I cannot be the only one WHO DOES NOT READ UNCLE SAM’S POSTS BUT AUTOMATICALLY SKIMS ON BY.

You are not. There is nothing to see there anyway.

Stevie Ray the freshly minted bleeding heart liberal!

February 14th, 2013
9:27 am

Brosephus™

February 14th, 2013
9:13 am

Unfortunately, our manufacturing based economy is becoming a thing of the past. Global economy a big issue but seems technology is the elephant in the room. RE SS, the big issue is demographics related to future obligations. At the risk of being redundant, we used to have 16 workers supporting one recipient in no time it will be 2:1.

We can’t rely on job creation to address this fact.

In the middle

February 14th, 2013
9:27 am

In what speach exaclty did either Romney or the the Chairman of the GOP state that “rapes are heaven sent”. I guess making things up beats thinking for yourself

East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)

February 14th, 2013
9:27 am

Comparing the current version of the GOP with radical groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood is spot on. Just listen to the them. Strip out the accent and change swap out Christian/Muslim and one could not tell the difference in their ramblings. I must hurt to know one is so much like that which they hate.

GT

February 14th, 2013
9:28 am

This is more based on the failure of the Tea Party than magnificent success of a product dictating expansion.

Disenfranchised Democrats are not going to live with big hat no cattle Rand Paul. What is really happening here is a smaller and smaller pool of the right are fighting each other as they watch the wicked witch smelt into the pool of water.

There was a day when the right could rule by their fat guts, but this is an age of independent collaboration of the facts. What keeps the right in the hole is their refusal to mature and stop with the emotional misrepresentation of facts and label their opponents falsely for emotional effect. They are like a football team on its last game after losing every game of the season. No fiery speeches work here just get it over with.

the dog

February 14th, 2013
9:28 am

alittlecommonsense-you cannot be serious!!! If you don’t recall how the old people party wants to treat women there is no help for you.

Jeffrey

February 14th, 2013
9:28 am

If the third party is the tea party they’ll be dead on arrival in 2016 and make Ross Perot look like a force. If the third party is some sort of independent or intelligent party like I have suggested in the past then they will take a lot from the republicans and a lot from the democrats too. People talk about Bloomberg but I can’t say I know a lot about him. I want someone who is the anti Sarah palin and the anti nancy pelosi all at once. Btw just coincidence I picked two women. I’m not hating especially on valentines day.

Stevie Ray the freshly minted bleeding heart liberal!

February 14th, 2013
9:29 am

BRO

Everyone seems to think offshoring of manufacturing jobs is a new thing. Nothing can be further from the truth. Seagate Tech was a client of mine in the early 90’s and already was the largest employer in Singapore, the island of Panang…and employed 15,000 in Thailand.

stands for decibels

February 14th, 2013
9:29 am

eeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwww

Like my soul brother Rude Pundit says: “Proudly lowering the level of political discourse”.

the dog

February 14th, 2013
9:29 am

inthemiddle-who said romney or the chair of the gop said it? They agreed with it with their silence.

See akin, todd

Thomas Heyward Jr

February 14th, 2013
9:30 am

Even this flaming Prog got it.
But he had NOT a clue about the internet.
Billions of people sharing info and trade …………makes the State’s violence and control irrelevant.
Washington…….in its death throes will flail around and many innocent people will be harmed but in the end………………………………………..but a bad memory.
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“Men fight for liberty and win it with hard knocks. Their children, brought up easy, let it slip away again, poor fools. And their grand-children are once more slaves.” ~ D.H. Lawrence

the dog

February 14th, 2013
9:31 am

A refresher for the brain damaged:

Forcing women to get transvaginal ultrasounds: Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell wanted to force every woman seeking an abortion to go through the extremely uncomfortable and medically unnecessary procedure of a transvaginal ultrasound — sticking a medical wand far into a woman’s vagina to get a clearer ultrasound image.
Ordering women to cremate and bury their miscarried fetus: A huge abortion omnibus bill in Michigan could force women who miscarry to cremate the miscarried fetuses. This comes at no small expense to the woman: cremation of a fetus costs hundreds of dollars, and interment can be additional thousands. The bill has been passed by the Michigan House, and is awaiting a vote by the Michigan Senate.
Requiring doctors to lie to female patients: In Kansas, Republicans tried to force doctors to tell women that they faced risk of cancer from having an abortion. That is patently untrue, and making doctors say that it was true would be, in effect, requiring them to lie to their patients.
Making a dying woman consult two doctors before she can get a life-saving abortion: The New Hampshire legislature just overrode a veto by the Governor, forcing through a law that bans “partial birth” abortions. The law only reinforces federal law, but has the additional requirement that any woman who is exempt from the abortion ban because her life is at risk must visit not one but two doctors before she can get the procedure to save her life. For many rural women, especially those facing life-threatening conditions, this is near impossible.
Mandating people pay extra to give medical device companies a tax break: Rep. Erik Paulsen (R-MN) worked so hard to protect medical device companies from having to pay, that he has instead passed their costs onto the consumer — regular Americans — by increasing the cost of health coverage.